I Tried Bernina 790 Pro And Here's What I Think Of It
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Sorry, the BSR isn’t a built in walking foot, what you are describing is the Dual Feed mechanism 🙂
I know it is dual feed (as described in a previous video) - similar to IDT system on Pfaff. The walking foot terminology is something more people can understand. Thanks for watching.
The BSR is neither, it is the Bernina Stitch Regulator which is a separate attachment that comes with the machine.
Thank you for your video, while I agree about the laser being on other machines, the Bernina 790 pro is the only machine where it follows where the needle is going. This is huge for sewing zig zag and blanket stitches. When you’re bought into Bernina like me, no other machine has a better stitch quality. So getting a different machine that has a laser just isn’t good enough. Many dealers are offering awesome trade specials on this new machine. The MSRP is rarely what another would pay. Oh yeah, the larger screen and new embroidery module is a huge benefit too. Thanks again for your video and perspectives!
Girl !!! you could never bore me with any details ❤ you are a life saver
Thanks for an honest review! Greatly appreciated your perspective!
Thank you for your opinions and very thoughtful information.
If I could learn all of the functions very well, I would buy it. I have a 570 and still haven't learned everything about it, I bought it in 2019.
Thank you for your comments about the 790 Pro. I have a 770 Tula Pink, which I love. I cannot justify buying the 790 Pro, though I know that I would enjoy some of the features. It will be interesting to see what Bernina comes up with when the new 9 series comes out next year, maybe then I might want to upgrade, but for now, no thanks.
Yes, I am inerested to see whats next.
This my dilemma too. I have the Tula 770 but not the embroidery attachment because I already have a Janome Horizon 15000 which has pretty much everything the 790 pro has except laser and stitch regulator. I do think the pinpoint placement and new feature to adjust the placement of a quilt design might be better on the 790 however.
I am definitely torn. Would most likely trade in my Janome if I was going to take the plunge though.
Thanks for your help. Trying to make up my mind!!!
Thanks for your informative review. I had similar thoughts on the machine but your review solidified my opinion. I was hoping to find an honest, raw review without the sales pitch. I'm a new subscriber - happy to support your channel.
Thanks. I'm sure there's no sponsorships coming. But, honestly is always the best policy.
Very interesting video. Of course, the customers they are aiming for are retirees. Who else could afford the price of this behemoth? I like Bernina very much, and the quality of the stitches is really great. However, in my opinion, they are lacking in certain aspects. Now, in 2023, they are introducing an automatic needle threader on their flagship? I can't help but laugh. I'm Swiss, I love Bernina; I've sewn on Bernina machines and even worked for them in retail. However, I've since switched to a Pfaff. I was looking for a sewing and stitching machine combination. I wanted to have an automatic needle threader and dual transport. So, let's compare: the least expensive Bernina with these features costs CHF 4,695.00 (USD 5,379), the Bernina B570 QE, and it doesn't even have an automatic needle threader! On the other hand, I purchased a Pfaff creative ambition 640 with all these features for CHF 1,579.00 (USD 1,809.00). Perhaps the stitches aren't as clean, but considering the price difference, I don't mind. It's quite disappointing that Bernina still offers this complicated semi-automatic needle threader. Many of the elderly customers I encountered in my classes, where I explained the features of their newly purchased machines, did not like the needle threader at all! Best wishes from Switzerland ♥Yours truly Katrin
These are $14,000-$16,000 in NZ…. That’s the price of a fairly nice car! Yeah, nah…..I’ll stick with my Bernina 1010…. I mean, I can afford this but I sure can’t justify that price for a sewing machine! Only if I was a lotto millionaire maybe and didn’t care about the cost….
Sew… I’ve watch a few of these videos and am a long time industry insider. I’m almost lost for words on what to say other then some of your “facts” are not correct. In the first minute you grossly listed 3 features incorrectly. The mat finish is not to prevent glare but for design. BERNINA prides themself on design aesthetics. Limited edition machines are to capture attention. Your videos are interesting but you cause too much hand-ringing, for no reason. Just because you don’t like or need a feature, doesn’t mean everyone should feel the same way. I am not a fan of automatic thread cutters but consumers LOVE them. If I were a purchasing consumer, I too would not purchase a 790PRO, but I sell this machine and plenty of people have already come in to buy this machine. Yeah… who needs blue tooth, laser, morphing? Lots of people think this stuff is cool and even if they don’t use it, they still like to own it.
There is enough sewing machines out there for everyone. Used or new, high end or low quality. But my personal experience has been that those with what I call “mad skill” are not using 60 year old machines. Winners of $10000 quilt show awards are NOT sewing on singer feather wt machines. And if you are quilting on an old machine, don’t get attached to a fun quilt store… in order to keep up with the quality and detail of todays quilts, you will be buying a new machine! In many ways, these videos are only to help those who have what I call “oldie moldies” confirmed in their minds that they don’t want a new, modern machine. It’s that cognitive dissidence that you mentioned in one of your videos. Consumers today are causing their own problems by purchasing on line, getting no support, and thinking a $500 machine is GREAT. Sewing machines range from $89 to $22000. Both ends have their issues: junk to excessive. I have sold thousands of machine covering this entire range of price. The least happiest consumer I have ever seen are those who buy on line. The happiest: those who let us help them get the RIGHT product and complete their education program. We are old school and teach LIVE classes on sewing machine knowledge on how to use every stitch, function set-up, good sewing habits. Half of my customers are replacing 30 to 40 year old machine because the realize it is holding them back. Do I have customers who are not “good” sewers? Of course! Some people just lack that “quality” gene. But for the most part, a good quality modern machine can be a life changing experience. I know… it happen to me 43 years ago!
I interviewed a Bernina ambassador who told me the mat finish was to reduce glare. When I spoke to her, she had just returned from the show where this machine was introduced. I appreciate your comment. Thanks for watching.
Long comment and you’re 100% correct. I just purchased the janome continental m17 for an amazing price because it was a floor model. Best machine ever! It’s the motor you’re paying for, along with the perks. I love when people say “you can get a car for the price “. I have a car, and it runs great. I don’t need a car. 😂. Like mentioned at the end of the video. If it makes you happy, go for it.
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An ambassador is a “sewlebrity” for BERNINA. Depending upon who they are are, their only obligation is to write a few articles and teach a class at their local BERNINA dealership. They are suppose to take the classes with the machine that are on loan to them, but the ones that have used my store as their supporting dealership never did. There have been MANY ambassadors over the years and most are really not well educated on the machine. I’m not dogging them, but my 40+yrs of experience, if you want more accurate information… ask a dearer who has been around for a while. The colors, finish, design is all done to attract attention and SELL machines. Glare reduction might just be an unexpected side benefit. When that flat finish goes out of fashion, there will be a new look… maybe that concrete grey we now see painted on cars!
Thank you! This was very informative!
I enjoyed your review of the new Bernina 790 Pro. Fun to see the history as well. One thing you may not know (I found out the hard way) - The WiFi and phone app will only work IF you have the Bernina Version 9 digitizing software! Now THAT’S an expensive upgrade to have to purchase to make that option work for you! The EXP format is for embroidery files and their machines still use it for embroidery. The BQM files are long arm quilting machine files that the Bernina 790 Pro will now recognize along with the EXP files. I laughed when you mentioned that Bernina is marketing to seniors (I’m 69). I think you’re right as many of us have excess money that we’ve save up all our lives for retirement and we appear to be the ones that are flocking to the stores to buy the latest machines and attachments!
I didnt know you needed Bernina 9 software to make it work because they didnt say anything about it at the dealership. Thanks for letting me know. Though older, Im sure your still 20 at heart. Thanks for watching.
@@ThimbleBook You’re absolutely right about that! I like to travel all over the world with my husband meeting up with TH-cam sewing people (especially England and Ireland)! I don’t have a TH-cam channel but my friend Judi (Running Sew and Sew) does and she’s a hoot! I’m bringing her to my house on July 31st for two weeks and we’ll be sewing, machine embroidering, quilting, and traveling all over Oregon while she’s here. We’ll be visiting with other sewists and having lunch with Peggy Mead and her assistant from Sew House Seven as well. I’m living life to the fullest while I can. Happy Sewing and hugs from Oregon!
@@ThimbleBook I have one correction to make. I asked Gayle of Bernina of Naperville about the App and she said that you didn’t need the software for the App! Just transferring designs from your computer to the Bernina. That’s better…
@@loriannpayne4483 Ok. It's good to know this. Thanks for sharing.
That is great information! I already have Artistic Designer digitizing software for my Janome 15000 so, all those designs wouldn’t work in the 790 pro I presume.
The Morphing feature is wonderful!
Whoopty-do, I love it. Thank you for being so real. Your work is appreciated. This is the model I wish for, but I know I wont use all those fancy stitches, I don't do embroidery by machine I prefer hand stitching. I would like the the longer arm, I really like the built in walking foot, and thread cutter. But these are really the only things I'm looking for. So now I'm looking at Juki. And the price is compatible with my income and it will be a good hand me down machine. Your videos are very helpful.
Thank you for the review on this machine and the others as well. What I really appreciate about the new generation of sewers coming aboard is that they are changing the direction of the sewing industry and companies like BERNINA will need to take notice. They are not as impressed with the technology because they grew up with it. These machines are basically a sewing machine with a tablet incorporated into it. Many are choosing mechanical machines over computerized ones. I love the technology, but there is just too much overhead attached to them. But I get it. That’s why they are smart and make marketing commercials aimed at their most affluent customers. For those who don’t understand marketing, the imagery they use is their target market. Great job!
Thanks for commenting. You have a very interesting perspective that should be explored further. I appreciate it. 😀
@@ThimbleBook you’re welcome! Thinking along those lines. Maybe BERNINA’s partnership with Bernette addresses the issue of a changing market. They can preserve their position in the marketplace as an industry leader while limiting exposure by targeting a more budget focused consumer. Something to think about I guess. Thank you for acknowledging my comment. Blessings to you.
Thanks. I've never been very lucky with walking out of the room while my machine is running. Something always seems to happen - thread breaks or frays, etc....
I want this machine! I have a Bernina 730 that I could never use the Embroidery feature. You would need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. So, when a few years pass, I might get one! Bernina has improved its embroidery use 100% since I bought mine!
People are very excited about the quilting capabilities, which are just now beginning to reach what some other models have been doing for years. I love the laser light that follows the needle. Very nice for applique.
It's better to be late than to miss the party altogether. So, the laser is a welcomed feature. Thanks for watching. 😀
@@ThimbleBook I think they will be amazing when they get there. I love my 790 QE, will be trading up for the Pro very soon. It’s worth every penny. Bernina machines last for generations, and they produce beautiful results 😀
Great video!
Thanks. 🤩
it is FABULOUS no one likes the prices of anything these days but the technology in this machine is worth it! we have lower than MSRP in the store where I work- Janeans Bernina in Pasco WA and the BEST Tech there is-
Thanks for the advice. The shop has replaced my machine twice. I am glad to know others are having the same problem…not that I think that they should have the problem either, but I’m not crazy. Bernina needs to fix these machines and work on their quality control. I’m afraid if I disconnect my thread cutter, I will have to babysit my machine…oh well, that’s what I’m doing now!
I really enjoy your critiques-
Thanks.
The machine is by far the best out there in terms of quality.
Wonderfully honest review. I love your analysis! I guess I am a senior too, and thought I had splurged wildly on a B790 Plus a couple years ago. Now bernina comes out with this NEW model and includes a LAZER!? And BLUETOOTH. Well I just cant. I dont want to be the fisherman’s wife who kept wishing up and wanted a castle and to be queen. The cost will send me back to a hovel! (That said, I REALLY want the morphing feature. The pinpoint quilting on my 790 plus works great but I wish I could fit the designs into my squares that “sometimes “ come out wonky after piecing. Anyway. I love love your candor. And will subscribe to you because of it. Thank you!
Thanks for subscribing.
You may get a wonderful trade-in deal. Couldn’t hurt to ask.
Thank you for your honesty. We need more reviews that are whole story centered like you are. I am a retired nurse, and I don't feel they are marketing just to Seniors, simply because the sewer they use in a commercial is "of a certain age :) For me, with a 790 Plus who does not quilt, but does other types of sewing, I am a bit underwhelmed. I am guessing this pro isn't selling well, as many dealers are offering classes where you can use their 790 Pro in a class - will wait for this mysterious 990 I keep hearing rumors about.
You make a good point about the demographic. I will definitely look out of the mysterious 990. Thanks for watching.
BSR built in while you are showing a walking foot on a machine that has duel feed? The hoops with the dial was introduced for all 700 and 800 series machines.
I'm a retiree, and i could never afford this!
In fact, my longarm WITH computer automation and a frame cost HALF of this.
What i don't like about the laser, (from watching someone else), is it only shows up second before the stich, only on the stich spot, not showing you the pathway it will be sewing. Which i was lead to believe it was supposed to do.
I really didn’t see what this new machine has to do with the age of a sewer.
Someone just out of college wouldn't be able to operate it.
Someone who's sewn 20 years or so, could.
Did you show the dual feed and call it the Bernina stitch regulator less than one minute into your video?
Yes, I sure did. LOL
I bought an 880. It was a learning curve, a beautiful machine after several trips to the repair man for repairs and lessons on it. The Bernina videos aren't that good.
My bernina (2023) freezes up. Did it right away. No solution in manual and couldn’t access machine manual because i was frozen out. Back to dealer. Home and it froze again. This time repair man showed hubby how to reactivate. I did nothing to cause the freeze, it just happened. Terrible. I started sewing at 10yrs of age, now mid 70’s. Have and do own Singer (1945), Elna (1974), Brother(2020) Janome (2021). None of those have been back to the shop. Go figure!
I’m a bernina dealer for 40 yrs. You did not say what BERNINA you owned. Or fully what type of “freeze” you have. This would still be a VERY rare problem and because all of the modern top of the line products rely on micro processors and firmware that is constantly being improved and updated to run faster and better. You must remember… if you want (or feel you must possess)
the new great features offered by these amazing machines, you also must except most of the features are electronically controlled. Once you get use to these modern features, it’s extremely difficult to go back to grandmas machine. And ask someone whose machine is getting serviced… they want their wonderful modern BERNINA back because as they do not want to sew on their old machine.
Your “problem” and the dealer solution is unorthodox. There is nothing a repair person would be showing your husband that would “reactivate” a new machine. It is under warranty. Take it to a different dealer.
I will wait for the new 9 Series since I already own the 8 PLUS. I have also tried the 790 Pro and for me, there isn't much difference because it copied the design from the 8 series and other series, only upgrading a few other functions.
When is the 9 series coming out? Do you know?
I am uncertain about the release date of the upcoming Series 9. I have inquired about this matter from my friend who owns a Bernina shop in the Middle East, as I am also a member of the community.
She mentions that the quilting options were only available to long armers. Not true! Those options have been available on other brands of domestic machines for a long time now.
Omg right??? Give us the wifi dang it!
Y don’t they have the laser project of the design, on your fabric? I like that way more but it’s very nice ❤ I feel like baby-lock had the down and everyone is catching up I don’t understand y bernina hasn’t?
Babylock, Viking, and Pfaff always seem to be ahead of the curve. But, Bernina tends to wait till all the kinks are ironed out new features before adding them to their machines. So, a lot of times they are very late to the party. Thanks for watching.
Not enough features that I would use. I have the 790 plus. I think I’ll just stick with what I’ve got.
$16,000 plus tax, shipping.
Computer board
maybe 10 yrs.
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How much does it weigh? That's got to be a factor.
Thanks for mentioning this. I didn't think to include it. The machine weights 30lbs.
My 770qE weighs 49 lbs. they are solid working machines.
Lots of internal parts are now made of nylon instead of metal.
I am a Babylock owner and I commented on this on my Facebook. All the hype about this machine is hilarious. They think automatic needle threader is great? Yes, it is, but it's been around since the mid 90s. My Solaris has a camera for perfect placement....it's my third Babylock with a camera and it has a projector also. I have never been impressed with the Bernina. I have been in classes with mixed machines and the Bernina machines were always breaking down for one reason or another and they are noisy! Nope...buy either Brother or Babylock....Babylock preferrably,
I truley long for Bernina to go back to its roots with a machine on the same level as the 900. Sometimes, its not the bells and whistles that make people buy. Sometimes you just want a machine you can pass down.
I agree, you can digitize, what Bernina calls Morph is great, but you can go way beyond that on the Solaris. I bought my Bernina without the Embroidery unit for sewing and my Solaris is light years beyond Bernina in terms of quilting capabilities. It will get there, but as you say, this technology, though more advanced now, has been around for decades. I’m glad to see Bernina is finally on the way.
I don’t think this video is about a comparison to other machines. Stick to your preferred machine and out of this😊
It is a comparison when they start touting that some of these fantastic features are "new" when other brands have had it for years. I know there are many who love Bernina. I'm not one of them. I think I owe it to anyone who doesn't know about other brands to let them know this is weak hype. Janome and Brother and Babylock have had apps for several years. They need to compare brands before spending all that money...and Bernina is a very expensive machine for what it is.
Why wouldn’t they tout it. I actually own a couple of Babylock machines and though they are easier to learn, they in noooo way compare to the stitch quality and dependability of the Bernina. But here’s the real bottom line - buy what you want to and that fits your budget
I mean, I wouldn't turn down a free 790 and I like the way Berninas sew, but all the features they are touting have been on other brand machines for years; I feel like all this marketing does is highlight how much their technology has lagged.
And their air threader serger? Nothing new at all....Babylock came out with that years ago.
Yes, 90% of the features have been on other cheaper machines for years now. My observation is that they spend on parts and not features. So, in getting the 790, you would be getting a quality machine that is behind in technology.
@@ThimbleBook That makes sense.
Bernina places priority on precision ahead of features. They won’t add a feature until they can design it without any sacrifice to precision. That’s why the lag.
@@michelleluke8297 Well, it should be absolutely perfection because they are not just lagging...they are working off the features of what other companies have had for many years. All of these "new" features are something Babylock has had since the Elissimo came out in 2009.
I own a 790Pro and have been disappointed with the machine. I use it mainly for embroidery and it is one of the worst machines I have ever owned. The shop kept saying it must be me, but it’s not me! The thread cutter does not always work, and I think it cuts the thread too short, so that it does not pick up the thread, it just gives you a message the upper thread is missing. It is extremely frustrating. I have written to Bernina and followed up with and still no response. They did admit they reengineered the thread cutter. Would not recommend for purchase until they have better quality control.
A few other subscribers also told me they had problems with the thread cutter. One person said they disabled the thread cutter though I'm not sure how. It seems like the shop would be willing to fix this problem or provide you with a replacement as these machines are too costly to be having such problems. I hope you are able to get this issue resolved soon. Thanks for watching.
Personally, I was laughing when you said this machine is targeted toward older people. Even with "mastery classes" these machines are too complex, and an interface with your phone is beyond many.
Actually, I have been teaching and selling these machines for 40 years. “Old” people are not stupid! All of my customers have updated cell phones and more computer literate then you think. Many have owned embroidery machine since the late 1990’s and can sew or quilt most people into a corner. You are making very false assumptions about those over 60. Plus, these consumers have been sewing for 40-50 years and have owned several machines. Are these machines complex? Complex is relative. does it have lots of features? Of course. Are they complicated to use? Not really. The interface layering is shallow so it’s even hard to get lost.
BERNINA knows their client base and is striving to capture the younger generation. Believe it or not, BERNINA has funded studies to know who, what and where the industry is going. Everyone needs to stop assuming these companies are full of greedy, self absorbed capitalist. It is fueled by woman lead business who care are their customers and the products they sell. Most people writing on this post are home sewers with no working experience in this industry and are buying into the narrow minded opinion that new machines are not worthy of exist (because they, themself have purchased a cheap piece of junk and are now unhappy). I would suggest you leave your bubbles and visit some sewing machine stores. We are good people, sell great products and are here to fuel your creativity.
And the interface on most cell phones is beyond MOST people… regardless of age.
@@lauralivingston5237 I would love to sit with you at a Bernina dealer and get your take on these machines. Lack of knowledgeable sales people seems to be a great issue. The Bernina person couldn't get the bobbin to load (720) and had to get a tech. The Brother person didn't know anything but embroidery when I went to buy the coverstich machine. The Janome/Babylock person didn't know the features of the machine I wanted to see. Having taken classes at ASG conferences, Sewing and Quilting Expos, and multiple private classes, I've had the opportunity to use many TOL machines as well as midrange models. I've had to frequently help those around me utilize these machines to do our projects, only to find out they owned them but still preferred to sew on their less complex machines. It has always amazed me how many purchase these TOL machines to do a straight stitch for piecing only. I do not quilt. You must be a fabulous sales person and educator...I would pay more for that. My Pfaff 7570 won't last forever and I have much to sew.
I'm one of those old people (69). My last job a few years ago was putting satellites in space! I'm now retired and have been passionately sewing since 10.
@@kaychester2795 yes, I understand that not every "old" person is behind in understanding technology. It is likely that you associate with like peers who are capable with technology. For myself, however, I am frequently asked to help a friend in that regard. Even with those who choose to purchase these TOL machines, the lack a a printed manual can be a real problem. Just my personal experience.
The title of your video implied that you had a chance to actually try it when you only review the features. Sorry, but that feels very clickbait’s to me.
I did actually go and try the machine. I just don't publicly show usage to protect the sellers who are simply trying to earn an honest living.
A lot of empty talk about “laser”it’s so old thing in sewing industry !
How do these sewing machines sound when they are working? If there are bad mechanics, they usually sound loud and unpleasant, and of course they break quickly! Why does Bernina hide the sound of sewing machines so much, maybe the reason for this is very bad mechanics? Bernina sounds like a tractor?
Usually machines are loud due to poor user maintenance.
My Bernina 790 plus purrs along like a kitten as long as I keep it well maintained, cleaned, and oiled.
Your snarky and limited opinions about this machine do not provide anything useful to people evaluating this machine. There are may more useful and informed reviews available.
How negative can you be?
I only heard the truth 😀
Overpriced Buy a commercial machine instead