Do Norwegians have better building materials than us?
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- Matt, Jake, and Steve are at Optimera pursuing the aisles and inspecting the warehouse to see what tools and items are readily available for builders and DIYers in Norway. We look at different name brands, some familiar, some new as well as see some fine details in their lumber yard that we wouldn't see in the US.
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Due to strict safety laws we have an abundance of safety gear in most hardware stores. Makes me proud as an Norwegian that we prioritze health and safety of our workers. I'm excited to see future videos from my part of the world :)
Ok
Yup, the amount my Norwegian colleagues spend on gear is amazing.
Oh and ear protection, most are paranoid about it! If I strike up a saw, they scramble to put defenders on, if they don't wear the radio type all the time anyway...
Does make it a bit lonely, I couldn't bear a radio blaring in my head for 8 hours non stop lol!
@@handycrowd And that is a great thing! You make it sound a bit extreme tho. Most of our young ones should be alot better to use protection gear.
@@R.N.M- Sorry for that, just that it is a tad unusual to see everyone with defenders on, even in a domestic renovation!
The irony is that the youth today on site have close proximity noise pounding their ear drums virtually every waking moment.
Radio headphones in the day and the air pods once they've finished work.
I dread to think what the long term effects are of that...
@@R.N.M- Young Norwegian electrician here, you're completely correct in saying the younger generation still needs to better our protection gear usage.
Had a colleague who had to jackhammer a floor (i cant remember why) and he didnt wear ear-pro, so his head hurt and obviously his hearing wasnt as good as it usually was.
There is a difference between what we have in the US available at any Home Depot, Lowes or Lumber Yard and what they have in Nordic countries. I used to work for a US utility that we had a project that was done by ABB Power Systems out of Ludvika, Sweden. They shipped the components directly from Sweden in wooden crates. The company was just going to throw them out and I asked if I could have them. I tore them down and placed the wood from the crates in the stack with my US wood and I noticed size wise and density of the wood was definitely better in the wood from Sweden.
If i remember correctly it is denser because the colder climate makes the trees grow slower thus increasing their density.
Wood that grows at natural maturing speed is denser. Often trees grown for lumber in the US are fed chems and nutrients so they grow faster making the rings further apart
Looking at the Møre Royal SDS , they are CU pressure treated pine (pinus sylvestris) boards that are vacuum boiled/dried in process oil. The oil is composed of mineral oil and various petroleum destillates, i.e. neither fish nor linseed oil. The oil keeps the wood fairly impermeable to water to improve dimensional stability. The wood when dry should have a 17-20% moisture content. Because of the CU the fasteners should be A2 stainless or above to avoid rust/staining.
It seems there are several types, as i found Marnar Royal who seemingly also make Royal as a brand. So my assumption is that Royal is the same of a process and the indivual products specifically are up to the manufacturer
As my buddy from EU said, we build dog sheds better quality than houses in USA
Normal houses are nothing more than cheaply built wooden huts that are then sold at a high price.
Houses built to European standards are likely to be insanely expensive there, and if European high-standard windows are added, it's only something for the rich there, a normal citizen “no”
You should see the houses in Australia 😂
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It's so true - US houses are terribly made. Their 'building codes' would get a builder fired here in Europe. A new build US house would be classed as a 'temporary structure' in Europe.
You will get impressed when you see the pipes and the pipe in pipe systems like Sanipex and Roth have here :)
That and how different we are in regard to waterproofing bathrooms.
Yeah Matt should really review pipe in pipe systems.
Its illegal basically to do any hidden plumbing in other way in Denmark at least.
One word: TEK-17
Honestly there is even a huge difference between Lowes/HD and 84/Builder's First. I've always shopped Orange or blue until I started building my house. Along the way I had to special order something from 84 and was so impressed I've only purchased lumber from them sense. The quality of wood is far better and they are usually 10-15% cheaper than Lowes/HD.
Velkommen til Norge!
the small model you looked at in the beginning, is whats called a "sedum" roof, is not a do it your self roof solution, its a asphalt membrane that is welded together with open flame tools done by professional roofers.
And the plastic under the sedum/grass is there to water the grass👌
Well, I will say, the sign below it does more or less say "do it yourself", so I don't think it's way off to say it's advertised as something you can do yourself ;)
@MattRisinger
As a Norwegian who has Royal cladding.
It's NOT fish oil 🛢️
It's 50 % petroleumbase oil, 50 % linseed oil and pigments.
It is "regular CU (not CCA) wood that is vacuum boiled in the oil.
Otherwise it's correct what he said.
And you need (at least should) treat all cut ends with oil.
CU treated (copper) not CCA (copper, chrome, arsenic). CCA has been banned for more than 20 years
@@davidwx9285 corrected 👍🏼
Very cool! I have been to Norway, such a beautiful country.
I feel for these guys! It is not easy explaining all this technical stuff in English!
Royal treatment is:
The Pressure-treated wood is pine with copper salts
And then its
Boiled in linseed oil under vacuum for 6-8 hours. The pigments is added here.
Its NOT fishoil.
Its also highly flammable.
Im a big fan of Kim so this supprised me that he would say this. Im not a carpenter and even i know this.
I would delete or edit this video from TH-cam 😂
Agreed. I don't know where Kim got that from. Møre Royal is also very dry for being treated, almost like untreated timber. When you do dekking you need to have space between the boards. With fresh treated boards you lay them tight.
I can confirm this , Norwegian master painter.
It USED to be flamable because of previous methods like you point out, but those products were pulled from the marked over 5 years ago, so now they use fishoil...
@@kjetilolsen3385 Nonsense! They still use linseed oil.
@@kjetilolsen3385actually it was never more flamable then paint or beis. Royal wanted to sue the state because they showed no proof that it was worse then painted wood.
A bit spooked by Americans are suprised by seeing protective gear...
The Royal treated lumber is first CU - treated, then its boiled in coloured Linseed-Oil, not fish-oil 😂
I think they pranked their american guests a bit there.
@jake.bruton.aarow.building
I would NEVER live in a fish oil treated house 🙂. Linseed oil sounds MUCH better!
@@axlliiunless it's because you're worried bears are gonna go for the siding or something, I can easily come up with a truckload of materials much worse to live with. Especially the ones with a chemical composition not found in nature. And they're sold in heaps and used everywhere daily.
The vikings used to treat their wool sails with fish oil to make them waterproof?
I was unable to find documentation on the oils used, I think for this specific panel it is not petroleum based.
Here in Norway, fish oil based paint has been in use before, but perhaps fallen out of use as if you later use petroleum based on top you ruin the panel.
I wonder if Norwegians put back there undesired products in the correct original location, or if theyre like Home Depot shoppers, who leave stuff all over the entire store...
Norwegians buy anything they pick up. To put anything down is to show weakness, and that's when the Swedes will get you.
We fall clearly in the first section of your comment. Stuff being misplaced in stores seemingly happen just in ordinary food stores, and most of them are just funny. Finding healthy items in the candy section ( which indicate someone made a difficult or not so difficult change in choice ). For the most part we are a well brought up people, which is possible when you have a social safety net.
@@rogerlarsen4539 >For the most part we are a well brought up people, which is possible when you have a social safety net.
Yeah and a really good social safety net is only possible with a well brought up people.
Im from Norway. I put it in the shelf below or on the floor. A lot of undesired material on the market now.
Norwegians get a lot of time off work for health, vacation, and more. Americans take 2.5 weeks off on average, we work our asses off and don't have time to put things back in the right places.
The roots of the plants on a green roof can go through what it's sitting in, and through the asphalt, and ... ask me how I know..
In 12 minutes we saw 3 different products...., this was more an ad than a "tour"
Who do you think pays for these trips
@@drewt9829 Oh, so you agree, that he lied and faked tour and made an ad?
@@OimbubiI didn't count how many times I heard Siga. But they're definitely paying 🤣🤣
Well, they probably need it. I'm norwegian and I've never heard of this store. So largest? Doubt it.
@@MirandurThey have 200 stores, 2000 employees and 15 billion NOK yearly in Norway. (Just had to check, cause I didn't know they were Norway's largest store for building materials either)
NOT fish oil. Please put text overlays on the video correcting this mistake.
An eponym is the person, place, or thing that something else is named after. So, Jake Bruton, "Royal" is the eponym for fish oil treated wood.
Joe Lstiburek has said on more than one occasion, the way the materials interact is more important than the individual material. If you install a top shelf product incorrectly it will not meet performance expectations. Install a lower grade product that is in synergy with the other materials in the assembly, it will exceed performance expectations. It's more about execution than the material section.
Lstiburek is a good teacher.
But you can build from solid clay brick. It can interact with everything.
Most materials on the market are garbage because we cannot afford clay brick anymore.
One of the advantages of being in UK but Europe in general is we can purchase new technologies economically from a vast array of sources. For Example, I have Lindab rainwater system, a Swedish company on my house, which is multi-coated steel that is actually cheaper than plastic rainwater goods and IMO very superior. I also have Kawneer (German) aluminium windows that are absolutely top notch, Velux (Swedish) roof windows, Actis Tri-Iso 10 (French) multi-foil insulation along with all the usual British things that we do better e.g. clay products.
Just FYI, Velux is a Danish company 😊
@@quadrojogjog Thank you and that proves an even greater eclectic mix of sources. I also forgot to mention our CH cooker that is Austrian.
I moved to Australia for work a few months back, I am in no way a construction professional, nor do I work in the space, but I am obsessed with the way they build homes here. I would consider myself a construction hobbyist, as I watch yours and a lot of other creators videos about building science, methodologies, etc. Would love to see you make a trip out here for some content! Love the channel!
`no one` use those green roofs in norway. they work, but its a sentimental nod to history basically. the most common roof is `wave` shaped ceramic tiles held in place by a screwed down wood network, with layered asphalt mats at the bottom as security. it works well.. id recommend screws in every tile around the whole edge and top tiles
They did say it was used mostly for cabins
I love anything with Mr. B in it!
The concept of this video is really really, thanks for doing this gents!
I have Møre Royal on my deck, the colour holds for about 18 months, if you want to keep the colour you have to by the very expensive Royal stain to keep it, we reapply every 2 years. If I was doing it again I would lay composite decking.
The US is at least 20 years behind Europe in building - perhaps 50. Seriously it is. Using 'Shingles' is the perfect example for US 'temporary is good enough' approach. I look at items covered in The Build Show and laugh at the incompetence of the US building process.
As a Norwegian myself, this makes me proud.
I'm glad we have such high quality materials😁
It seems it doesn't take that much to make people proud these days....
@@l.k.1011 it all adds up: "I'm proud of the stuff we do here, this is one tiny bit that contributes to that"
Wow so cool you came my own country Norway Matt, hope you enjoyed yourself the time you were in Norway
I like the green roof product, makes it easier to design a green roof. The fish oil siding looks like a great product as well.
It's linseed! The influencer guy probably misspoke!
@@axllii Thanks for the info :)
Grass roofs used to be popular back in the day because the added weight on the roof would reduce cracks between the logs in the wall.
Green roof , you missed that the main function of the dimples are water reservoirs
Looks like a K-rauta or Bauhaus stores in Finland.
Now, try to find some hardwood. All you can find here is spruce and pine, and those overpriced treated materials (which are also pine)
I suspect most are pine, not spruce in the store, specifically Pinus sylvestris subsp. sylvestris.
This is not the store here(Norway) I would use to get hardwoods or even treated pine.
@@waggie Treated materials are nearly always pine (furu) because it has a open cell structure that can absorb the treatment better. Untreated materials are mostly spruce (gran) because they have a closed cell structure that is more resistant to moisture and rot when untreated, plus they grow more straight and are easier to cut in to long pieces along the fibres. That makes them stronger and better suited for load bearing applications.
@@cigarsid7445 ah, thanks didn't know^^
Great video👍🏻
Question: What does fish oil do to the lumber's flammability? Seems like it would be super flammable but maybe fish oil is an exception...or maybe they add a flame retardant.
Clarification: It's linseed oil. Kim (the Norwegian 'influencer') misspoke.
It's linseed oil, which actually oxidizes as it drys, so it doesn't make it any more flammable that the pine/spruce is to begin with. it's really nice to work with, way more dimensionally stable than impregnated (green) timbers . The impregnated timber offcuts are subject to special enviromental rules here (like they should be) so they have to be separated into a special waste stream. However the Royal or Thermory boards don't, they can be used for kindling.
@@TonyDWaters Actually, because of the oil the fire class is severely reduced. The two large Royal wood producers in Norway each have their own newer versions with different flame retardants that is sold as well.
I know for exemple than in Canada,
they got larger electrical cables, than in france.
To better resist, in time, the extreme temperatures (even if you are in the Alps France - with lowest Temp°).
As they got Sorel in shoes (well known even in canada, for snow-ice),
they got Norwegian slipper for home,
as we got sun 300 days/years in Marseille (so 'bourgeoisie' as 'American dream'),
but arabs..... (after christians, as buddhst 2.600 years before).
What you want.... -Ü-
Canada uses 120 Volt, europe use 220 volt. Higher voltage needs smaller smaller electrical cables to transfer the same amount of power (kW), cheaper installation cost and less transmission loss
Very cool! Thanks for sharing.
Norway is starting to like very modern squarish/blocky shaped home designs with flat roofs. But they are too stupid with making the new flat roofs without leaking. So, I make good money fixing their mistakes. "Brødskive mennesker".
Would love to see someone import that fish oil treated wood. Would love to see an option when buying pallets of product.
It’s actually cu treated wood boiled in linseed oil, not fish oil
Paper are more solid that houses in usa
I wonder if the fish oil treatment would attract bugs / pests here stateside, like the idea though.
I wonder the same thing since they are in a much colder climate.
I do wonder about bears. Those suckers will destroy any gardening that uses fish fertilizer. Perhaps the residual odour isn't an issue after a month or two?
@@TheJohn8765 You are very lucky if you see a bear in Norway as there are fewer than 200 brown bears left in all of Norway.
They sell bear repellent along with the siding. =)
It’s linseed, not fish oil
All I know is that Murican people whine and cry about plywood birch costs 60-100$ while we buy it without complaining in sweden for 300$
You can eat the offcuts because it is rich in Omega 3 and 6.
I'm pretty sure they're not using seed that isn't cold hardy.
I'm wondering what the product pricing difference is between there and, say, Home Depot, Ferguson, etc? Would materials for a house be equivalent to the US?
A norwegian 2x4 is roughly 2 usd per meter. That is actually 2x4 in real dimensions. We also use 1 1/2" a lot. Traditionally timber is cheap and easily available. The quality is very high
How does a green roof survive in winter in Norway? Do you need to remove it for winter?
dunno, but the grass comes back after winter here atleast.
Green roofs are an old old thing in Nordic countries.
Like the lawn all the spring
hibernates......
A green roof doesn't need to be removed. It's "just" like the lawn outside our house... In Norway it's typically used for mountain cabins nowadays, but historically (from maybe around the 16th century? unsure.) it was a very common roofing solution until the middle of the 19th century. In Norwegian it's called "torvtak" and mostly used on "hytte" if you want to Google it.
We build better and warmer houses in Norway.We got alot off isolation in our walls.
Norway has a lot of rough rugged coastline that's forested but sparsely agricultural. The United States has much more abundance of certain things, and so our thinking is different... The trees though are also different cause they're at a different latitude..
We have always been huge exporters of planks and ships. How we were already rich before finding the oil. Norway is quite diverse in its geography, yet the stereotypical narrative among foreigners is fjords only it seems🙄🫣🫠 The fjords are only along the west coast, we have deep forests, hills, fields, even sandy beaches, mountains and tundra… we have an abundance of natural resources, and we know how to exploit that.
@@kilipaki87oritahiti
-->> Agricultural land (% of land area) in Norway was reported at 2.704 % in 2021, according to the World Bank collection of development indicators, compiled from
@@jonerlandson1956 It is slightly larger than New Mexico. Nearly 70% of Norway is uninhabitable and covered by mountains, glaciers, moors, and rivers.
Leica! I got to investigate this channel.
When I use fish fertilizer, I attract bears to the landscape plants. I would be concerned that fish oil siding might tempt bears to eat my house.
They have bears in Norway, doubtful they have house eating bears. 🤔
That’s why I had to get rid of my girlfriend…The bears kept coming around thinking they were going to get some.
Royal is actually a seed oil, they guy didn't do his homework. But they used to make paint here from fish blood. The classic image of red cabins by the sea, they were all painted in a simmered down fish blood, the iron helped prevent bugs and rot. The American barn red works the same way but they would make their's by mixing rust into the paint.
Hi, Matt question for you. My son goes to tech school now. We live in the Northeast. We can't find anybody. He can work with to teach him the right way to build a house. Any guidance on schools, etc?
TLDR: We sell the same shit products produced in China as every other nation does. So which shop should we do next? IKEA?
So the siding is like using an oil-based stain like everyone used 50 years ago...
TLDR: Yes.
Cool to see you’re in Norway! Hope you manage to find someone who speaks English fluently and knows what they’re talking about! 😅 Especially in building warehouses! 😂👍
The biggest difference between the US and Norway is lack of selection/products in Norway.
Better products but less selections
@@vikinnorway6725 I respectfully disagree. In the US you get everything from cheap products to the very top shelf items. You simply get what you pay for but the selection is way bigger. You have building materials in Norway that are adapted to the Norwegian climate and local codes.
@@owehernes9785 you do get all types of qualities here in Norway too tho, there are shops that sell alot cheaper products too. You get what you pay for. And the best products in Norway often you dont see in usa. I have seen european windows have started to come to usa tho.
@@vikinnorway6725 I’ve worked 15 years for a major US hardware/lumber chain. Been doing major projects on my own houses on both sides of the Atlantic. This is my opinion, you are entitled to your opinion.
Look at the sizes of those guy’s! Paul’s hand compare to the other fellow😱
WHAT!!! They sell wood there? I thought Optimera was some kind of office. I live in Norway and have driven passed this many times and never imagined they sold building materials 😂
Haha. Me too!
Me a Norwegian: what the heck is optimera 😮😅
Du må ha levd under en stein😂
@@vikinnorway6725
Byggevare? Har gangavstand til fire byggvarehus, men ikke den.
@@dalitrh ok Optimera troner øverst og har 24,7 prosent markedsandel blant byggevarekjedene. Optimera oppnådde en omsetning på 15,4 milliarder kroner i 2022,
Optimera er Norges ledende aktør innen salg og distribusjon av byggevarer, trelast og interiør med 160 utsalgssteder, 2000 ansatte og over 15 milliarder i omsetning
@@vikinnorway6725
Ikke så utbredt i Trondheim ser jeg 👍
Men er kanskje store på omsetning med store kunder. Er mest obs bygg og byggmakker som regjerer på denne kanten av byen 👍😜
Yes. We do.
:)
Outrageous and unjustified cost of saftey clothes and general PPE in Scandinavia.
So you found fish oil planks and a very long video about your sponsor.
"this is a Norwegian Influencer..." and then barely allows him to talk.
Yeah there was a lot of talking, very little dialogue.
His English wasn't good so he shied away from talking.
yes.
funny that i as a norwegian has never heard of this "largest contracting store in norway".
Its because the store is only for companies. Its even more expensive for Non companies
"Monter", but their commercial arm selling to building firms is "Optimera" Look at any of the trucks leaving a Monter store doing deliveries, it's say "Optimera" on it, and the stores usually have an Optimera office inside for companies setting up accounts etc,
Optimera er Norges ledende aktør innen salg og distribusjon av byggevarer, trelast og interiør med 160 utsalgssteder, 2000 ansatte og over 15 milliarder i omsetning.
Its not so much the question if the Norwegians have better building materials than who else is having better building materials.
Hm, not your best video. Too directly a commercial for Siga…
Yeap!!!
The royal is basically soaked in wd40🤪
Is that a Leica? Matt Mike be making too much money off these videos ;)
Yes not even a question...😂
The store are not the biggest and not Norwegian.
Optimera er Norges ledende aktør innen salg og distribusjon av byggevarer, trelast og interiør med 160 utsalgssteder, 2000 ansatte og over 15 milliarder i omsetning.
Optimera troner øverst og har 24,7 prosent markedsandel blant byggevarekjedene.
@@vikinnorway6725 Optimera eier en drøss av andre selskaper som blir tatt med i regnestykket. Montér, Flisekompaniet, ect, ect. Skjekk morselskapet Saint-Gobain. Fransk eid selskap.
Nice Im from norway
everything is better in EU than USA made goods
The best stuff in Norway comes from Germany and Sweden, not Norway.
Norge har produkter som også bra produsenter som Isola og h vindu
💙#KAMALAHARRIS2024!💙
If so much better, just stay there.
Yeah, I'm not weeding and raking leaves off my roof. It's a terrible idea.
Sod roofs and living roofs are a real thing and have been for centuries. They temp manage the roof and reduce runoff by a huge amount, but I'm sure you've thoroughly researched it, right? Cool cool.
@TheJohn8765 Leaching was done centuries ago, but it doesn't mean it was a good idea. I'll stick to modern roofing material .
@@toecutterjenkins Sod roofs have been done for centuries here in Norway, it has both pros and cons, the pros are durability, insulation, waterproofing, longevity and several other pros, the cons are mainly maintenance, weight and cost. Is it the perfect way of doing a roof? no, is it a good and valid way of doing it? yes. Different areas could see better uses for it, some areas its more because of the esthetic it gives. Old methods worked then and they can still work now, there is no one perfect way of doing roofing or building when you take the variety of environments you can find across the planet. :)
@stianrvik that's my concern. It seems like a maintenance nightmare. Asphalt shingles and modern insulation last for decades virtually maintenance-free.
@@toecutterjenkins Most sod roofs, though more maintenance then regular asphalt roofing, has surprisingly little weed pulling and such, the main part of the maintenance comes from pulling out potential trees rooting up, and also ensuring that the dirt quality does not become too acidic and killing the moss/grass. i have worked on a good amount of sod roofs on both houses and cabins, oldest one being almost 200 years old, this one used tar straight on wood for moisture resistance and wood protection. the underlying wood was dry and still of decent quality even after 200 years, the sod roof even had a tree on one side of the roof which was very nice looking. i am not saying sod roofs are better, as i said earlier there is no perfect solution, but maintenance wise its like adding on 5-10 minutes on the weekly amount of yard work you do if you own a house with a yard, though this depends on where you live in the world as you could put on a sod roof in places where the plants would break the roof or something similar, which in Norway is not something we have too much of. its the users choice, if you don't mind a little extra work and you like the look, go ahead and do it, if you prefer a little less maintenance and you don't really care either way for the looks, then don't get it, but always do the research on what is best for your area and environment. Sorry for the big ramble, its fun talking about old techniques still in use today :)