Aquion Energy Salt Water Batteries
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Aquion was sold to a company and we no longer have any connection with them. We left this video up for your information, we are no longer selling the batteries.
We are happy to introduce the new Aquion Energy salt water deep cycle batteries. They are non-toxic, safe, and long lasting. Instead of lead and acid, they are made of carbon, cotton, manganese oxide, and salt water! They are certified cradle-to-cradle safe for the environment from creation to recycling. We discuss the pros and cons of the Aquion batteries, and show how to determine the right size for your solar system. See pricing and more details of the battery on on web site, www.altestore.com/store/deep-...
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Interesting mix of comments.
Nice to see you will be getting back to it. I love this technology and I hope to see it cropping up all over the place!
Dear Amy... i like your enthusiasm when u make these videos...you are a good person and great at heart.... i m happy to see the positive energy you have towards life...hope all good come towards you.... Cheers !
This is an excellent demonstration. I wish more companies would do technical demonstrations of their products like this.
Yeah, the only thing they don't demonstrate is their PRICES!!! LOL
I agree but at least they could have found a chick that was hot and not this 1970s librarian lol
Ramirez I think she's fine as she is
John Smith:
Too fast, no price comparisons, and why can’t these S@Bs just tell us how many we need for our 100, 200, 300, or 400 watt panel systems for our cabins?
They better get with the spirit of what is going on! Sure milk the big companies and rich S@Bs while they can but when the lights go out so will those at the banks so they better not forget the little guys and the Preppers! We don’t need to know about some rich S@B who can fill a warehouse with batteries!
How hard would it be to state how many of these are needed to run my 100 watt (etc.) System?! How much CARE would it take? Jesus!
Me 2
Very nicely done. Clear, straightforward, detailed, accurate, and with a worked example. Pity that's such a rarity!
very well explained video, hope your company continues to grow in the solar age
This is great!!! Hoping to get a full solar array soon and will definitely add one of these to the system! Thanks for the video!
I just subbed this is amazing thank you for coming on the scene with such a needed type of non toxic batteries..I was searching how to make them myself but these are already in production !! Fantastic!!!✨
Lori, we will be starting production, again. They are not available as we purchased the company in 2017 and had to let the Federal Government and courts take their turns in line ahead of people and commercial business.
Thank you Amy Beaudet
I am continually so impressed with everything the alt E store has to offer!
great presentation and lesson. i will copy this video and keep it, for when i want tomcalculate and design my batteries i watch again.
Wow this woman did an excellent job she narrated very very well she didn't seem like a jerk and she actually seemed like she knew what she was talking about for a change well-done lady
Pretty upfront and honest. I liked it.
Wow that's AWESOME environmentally safe too that's sweet!!!✨✨✨✨
Cool technology and well done presentation. I learned stuff.
Great show
Such an informative video. Keep it up :)
Coming up with the battery is nice, but the price is the problem. How much more than the lead/acid battery. (Toxic) When all these inventors start selling the "safe" batteries at a price lower than the toxic inventions is when people are really serious about the environment. Right now is all about money.
If you look at the cost per kWh per cycle, the Aquion batteries cost less over their lifetime than lead acid batteries. This is a new technology, and as with most technology, as volume increases and manufacturing costs go down, so will the price of the batteries. It is expensive to develop a whole new product.
+altE - costs less over what period of time (aprox) ? Please, don't answer ambiguously. Thanks.
I believe we compared with 10 years for the Aquions. You can see a chart comparing multiple battery types about halfway down this page. www.altestore.com/store/solar-power-systems/off-grid-home-solar-power-systems/off-grid-4kw-residential-solar-power-system-p40464/
Sorry for the delay, I missed your question. The chart where we show the comparison of lead acid vs salt water, www.altestore.com/store/solar-power-systems/off-grid-home-solar-power-systems/off-grid-4kw-residential-solar-power-system-base-kit-p40464/ , uses the number of cycles at max depth of discharge. So for Aquion 3750 cycles at 80% DoD (/365 days = just over 10 years), and lead acid 1600 cycles at 50% DoD (/365 days = 4.4 years. If you size your lead acid battery bank bigger so you are not cycling 50% daily (we highly recommend you don't do 50% DoD), the number of cycles goes up, but so does the cost, so the cost comparison is still valid.
@645 7425 I think the Aquions turn out to be expensive.... looking at my application not just in terms of purchase price, but the Amperage limitations with the batteries.... consider a 10 kW intermittent load requiring 20 kWh of storage. I think with the 676 W per stack restriction, this requires a minimum of 15 stacks. Lithium-Ion based solution could do this with a fraction of the number of required batteries, and thus lower cost.
Ambri and this company give me hope for the future where our day to day living doesn't destroy the environment
If you have motors or compressors you do not necessarily need a bigger battery bank if you combine it with a balanced capacitor bank.
Aquion Energy has improved their warranty to 8 years (5 years full replacement and 3 years pro-rated). That's very impressive for a battery.
Do you have suppliers in the UK?
We are able to ship products worldwide. However, for heavy products like batteries, shipping cost will likely be high. You can send us details of how many you are interested in and to where, and we can put together a shipping quote to see if it practical. www.altestore.com/store/info/email-us/
U suplie to Haiti
We can ship them to a freight forwarder in Miami, and you can arrange for them to ship to Haiti.
+altE. u need a store n haiti 👍
I would have liked to see some Electrochemistry on this. It was mentioned in the Lead/Acid section but was totally absent from the Salt battery discussion.
Great Tech. The key is power management. Relays and timers will help a lot. Great work.
Thank you for the wonderful demonstration!
It didn't seem like you compared the cost of these with a traditional lead acid battery. Also, I am wondering if a MPPT charge controller will work well with this battery, whether as a single stack or a bank.
If you use a super capacitor batteries in parallel with your system. It will help with the surges and the spikes. At the same time you get a rapid recovery since only the Super Cars are drained.
Someday...
Nice explanation and overview of this technology.
Actually I like this technology, unfortunately this company went bankrupt in USA. In my view, the best off-grid living solution is Tesla solar roof + Semtive wind turbine + Aquion salt waster battery. Basically turning every house into a small mini grid, and that is how we can save the planet.
This companies back in business, they went out of business for lack of funding and laid off 80% of their workers there’s a new owner
It costs energy to manufacture, install and maintain the equipment.
@@Trefuckor963 where can we buy a pallet full of Aquion Energy Salt Water Batteries?
How does this work? Like if I wanted to test out something like this at home and build it myself. Obviously to power my house economies of scale would be better off buying it. I just like to play around in the different chemistries.
I just found you. I would be highly interested in installing these in Canada.
I hope people start to see the advantages of using these types of batteries soon.
I can see some really promising geothermal Stirling engine applications.
frozen salt water batteries-Eh!
Looking for more detail of the inturnal seaction of salt battry
An interesting concept.
So freezing once will effect capacity permanently?
Excellent. what happens to battery when temperature is between 40 to 50 centigrade?, In India, all summers are 40C+ day temperatures, do we need to cool the battery with Ice :)
It seems you would need just a few more batteries so what is the price of each battery in comparison to a lithium ion sulfate battery?
Very awesome innovative
Good presentation.
Two important stats left off in the presentation are what's the weight of each unit and price per unit
Expensive
I have a question is salt eater batters are mantance battery or maintance free battery's
Whats about the recycle can I just replace the saltwater inside when the lifetime end?
Great video, but just to note a small mistake - the electron flow is from negative to positive and not the opposite, right?
Electrons flow from -ve to +ve but for historical reasons we still say the current flows +ve to -ve.
Can the battery bank be laid on it's side to spread out weight distribution for mobile application? This looks great for a stationary application. I live in a RV completely off grid except for water.
The battery cannot be tipped more than 15 degrees. Because it has low energy density, it's not a great option for mobile applications. It's big and heavy. Great for an off-grid house, not so much for boat or RV.
How do these compare to Nickle Iron batteries?
I think a hybrid system with lead acid batteries could make the system better. Could limit the current draw from the salt batteries, and take the needed from the lead acid.
For lead acid it could limit the daily discharge percentage to optimal 80%. Maybe a charge controller could take power from the salt batteries at night for keeping the lead acid batteries over 80%.
Would be cool to see a hybrid system designed!!
Could replace the lead acid to lithium batteries. But even they don't like high current draw.
+LordGryllwotth I have heard of people saying they were going to try just that, but don't know if they have or how it worked. I'll look around to see if I can find more details.
+Paul Mathews The stack is eight 6V cells wired in series with the H4 connectors. It is not supported by Aquion, but it may be physically possible to rewire them. Most charge controllers should work with the Aquion batteries. The manual lists the recommended settings for some of the most popular charge controllers.
In general, the capacity for the battery bank would be the same regardless of how you wire them. 48V x 52Ah x 1 string = 2496Wh and 12V x 52Ah x 4 strings = 2496Wh.
+altE 48V x 52 Ah x 1 string = 2496 Wh. 2496 Wh/ 12V = 208 Ah at 52Ah per string. The pack is still limited to 677 watts of discharge power regardless of how you configure it, but the charge controller and inverter would at least be cheaper for a 12 volt system.
+Paul Mathews All of those things you listed should have a sticker on them that tells you how many volts/amps they consume. Multiply the amps times the volts for each item to get how many watts it consumes. Add up all the numbers and see if it is less than the 677 watts they recommend for this battery; if it is, then one battery pack would work for you after you rearrange it to 12 volts.
Where can those batteries be bought?
Amazing!!!
3900 cycles at 80% DoD is pretty good and very competitive with LiFePO4, I wish there was more info on these cells. To what initial capacity are the cycle life measurements taken?
Their price make will make your wallet grow legs and run like a psycho who sniffed 10 kilos of cocaine .
I wanted to clarify a question we just got from a viewer. The Aquion batteries can get charged just like any other 48V battery bank. You can use solar panels with a charge controller, an inverter/charger connected to the grid or a generator, a 48V wind or micro-hydro turbine, any way you charge a 48V lead acid battery can be used to charge the Aquion batteries. Just keep an eye on the charging rate, don't exceed 11.4A per stack.
Sounds good, but the Energy density looks a little week.
Or in other words, the Batterie looks really big...
I've been keeping my eyes on this salt battery for years. Although its bulky, but its performance exceed Lead Acid in almost every way.
- Deepest DoD compare to other battery tech
- Last very f**king long (longest among others > 20 years)
- Very low self discharge (you can plug it and forget if not utilize)
- No complex and expensive BMS (they just self balance as Amy said)
- Non-explosive electrolytes, but acidic in nature.
- Non-flammable
Just need a little secured shack to store the battery coz it acidic electrolyte , that's a minor downside i would say compare to explosive nature of Li-ion series.
(Google for "ZBM salt flow battery" if you are interested more)
altE why does it even need to be charged? That defeats the whole purpose of using free salt water lol
ORISHA PHOTOS ....but then if you are not by the sea you would have to buy salt and mix it and then when depleted dump the saltwater or distill and recapture the salt...or keep it charged with solar....both have cons....
Question, is an anode + and cathode -? are these different or was this a typo or am I wrong?. thanks an like your videos.
I just saw that too and second that! I am sure they are wrong. + is Anode and - is cathode and the flow is from Neg to pos. How trustworthy can a company be if they get the basics wrong, unless they created something different here.
I was thinking the same thing, but after looking it up, the anode and cathode can vary. The anode is negative in a device that provides power, and positive in a device that consumes power. So that's why they are swapped in a battery. It seems that the anode is where conventional current flows into the device, i.e. in through anode (positive) and out through negative for most devices, but for a battery the conventional current flows out the positive terminal and returns into the battery through the anode (negative) terminal.
Excellent.. very informative video.
Point of inquiry
Can it still be trusted in spite of being sold to Chinese?
Hmmm....all good and no *disadvantages* !! Where are they now?
I wish these batteries were still available.
Dear AltE , please also compare with AGM and Gel Deep Cycle lead acid battery in performance and price wise.
Can't buy them anymore. What were the prices for them?
I dont see the price on your catalog..or even see the product
How about telecom deep cycle batteries, can i use it for solar setup? Tnx!
Great I have on sent this to 5 friends. You 48 volts I need 24 volts and 12 volts in a marine appreciation
thanks
This is the ultimate battery for DIYers cant wait till they come down in price a little.
Why does nobody see that this is what humanity needs right now?
the high range seems to be just 40 Centigrade, in Asia many countries have power shortage and have temperatures above 40 C , for almost half of the year. A better solution is very useful
Ok so what the weight on one those things? How does it get drop shipped?
Hi.my aquion batteries are now very weak.Can they be reconditioned?
Powerwall capacities have changed over time. As of March 2016, there is only one Powerwall size remaining: the 6.4 kWh model, designed for daily use. It is priced at $3,000. So aquion energy cost about the same...
I have never seen a more informative ad from a company that just explained to everyone why not to buy their product. It freezes in winter, it requires multiple "stacks" for "regular" usage, its way too bulky, and you can only use 1/3 of your entire battery capacity.
We believe in showing the good and the bad of technologies. But to clarify, lead acid batteries also can freeze in the winter, so no difference there, it only needs to be oversized if you have high current loads like motors, and you got the usable energy backwards, it has a high depth of discharge ability, so you can use 80% of the stored energy.
what cost per cell compared to led and and new battery
How is that saltwater batter working out now?
Where we can buy it
Would this battery work on a RV?
Or is just for stationary application like in a home?
For an RV weight is of a high importance, and in this li-ion is the best choice. Li-ion can also be charged quickly and can give out a lot of power as compared to total capacity.
No
Hi, what about charging while consuming at the same time? Do the batteries suffer from it like lead acid, or not?
As long as you don't have too much current going in and out, you should be fine. Because the output of the charge controller and the input of inverter are generally connected at he same point (through breakers), some of the power you use may not even make it into the battery, it may just be used as it is being generated.
Here's the bright side...
Powering the home (even in part) 'AT THE HOME' itself is long over due. There will be more companies like Aquion making better and more practical power products. Competition will drive down price and grow better product development as time marches forward.
Why won't they just sell the batteries to the utility company?
Why are they trying to sell me things I don't understand?
Why won't they just let the electricity company deal with this shit?
I don't want panels on my roof nor batteries in my house.
Just let the energy guys deal with this things.
They are engineers, I am sure they know the best price to performance solution.
I don't want you to sell me over priced crap. If they were so good, the business people would already have had their hands on it.
The utility company is the monopoly and has all the power. Literally.
However, you have a point. Most people don't want to know how the clock works, they just want to know what time it is.
So, the correct way to look at your question is... "I wan't to greatly cut down on the money I give the power company (essentially over time) so, hook it up and when you have it working let me know."
Tyrel, you obviously aren't interested in learning about batteries, so why did you click on this video in the first place?
dlwatib ....its a jew troll trying to cast negatives on tech that threatens the jew strangle hold on the energy sector. Jews in school get credits and tuition breaks to infiltrate and persuade others in american forums to unknowingly help in the creation of a jew world order.............
I need an emergency power storage like a 5kw working with turbine generator and solar panels. What kind of batterie and capacity I need? Another thing I live in Puerto Rico and right now I don't know when we going to have power again do you have a representative in the island?
Rafael Sanchez we are shipping solar equipment to PR every day. FIll out this form, www.altestore.com/howto/deciding-which-solar-pvelectric-system-is-right-for-you-a114/ , and we'll have someone get in touch with you.
I would like to know if vertical orientation is a must as I am going to be using them in a mobile unit. next thing I am curious on is what settings for the Magnum pt100 charge controller as it's not AGM or gell. on my Magnum pure sine inverter I have custom settings available for batteries, what would be the inverter shutoff voltage?
Yes, the batteries must remain vertical. They are allowed to be tipped up to 15 degrees while transporting, but when in use, must be vertical. Take a look at the SimpliPhi lithium batteries, they tend to be a good fit for mobile. www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/lithium-deep-cycle-batteries-c4441/
You guys sold me a battery meter that only lasted a few months. You really ripped me off.
Jon, we pride ourselves on selling and supporting good quality products, and making it right if something goes wrong. I don't see any record of you contacting us with any product issues, although it was many years ago. If you still have the bad meter, send us an email and we can see if it is possible to get it repaired.
Thank you for the reply, I will contact you by email and hopefully get a solution that suits us both.
Any idea as to when you will have restocked this battery type?
Aquion has been bought by another company. We are waiting for them to resume manufacturing under the new ownership.
HOW HEAVY ARE THEY
Where would get said "salt water" from? I mean...wouldnt the efficiency of the salt water battery depend on the water quality, and the ph levels of the water?
nice but how much power do you need to run a house?
I'm glad you asked. Check out the video "How much Solar do I need to power a 2000 sqft house" th-cam.com/video/yvpy_vNKntg/w-d-xo.html
Actually electrons (current) flows from negative to positive. During charge, the positive is the anode. The anode is the one who gives electrons. The cathode is the one who catches electrons. The negative electrode is negative because is full of electrons, and electrons represent intrinsically negative charge.
+Telmo Monteiro Thanks, I was having trouble coming up with a simple explanation, nice job with that.
Pueden hablar de costo de esta bateria
Take your business here in the Philippines, you will have a greater chance of success! Please help us on our energy supply for the solar panels in here.
helllo
i checked your web site and i ddnt find the aquion battery
is avaible?
Please, keep developing. Energy storage is the future.
They just filed for bankruptcy and fired their workers.
Very promising indeed.
we can store energy in many ways. Water ice ground gravity air etc etc almost too many ways. ...which makes us want too many things. Storage in government also,,,,,which makes greedy people with too many dams.
Aquion Energy Salt Water Batteries not in amazon ?
Aquion batteries are currently not available anywhere, as they were just bought as a result of a bankruptcy.
I have it in mind, a device that would/could power a large house boat. The "batteries" would be in the salt water and would produce power. Two different metal plates with salt water flowing through, i.e. never ending electrolyte. PVC piping outer covering/housing, slung under the boat or built in to the pontoons.
Have you looked at the salt concentration of sea water and compared that to what is required in a battery? What about the variability of salt concentration? What about all the other things in the water? I don't think this is going to work.
Thanks for the link to your store, where a price is provided. Couldn't find that at Sentinel Solar, in Canada; and, there's been no response to my request for a price of these batteries in Canada.
Sorry, we must have dropped the ball on that request. Can you submit a request here, and we'll make sure someone gets right to you, www.altestore.com/store/info/email-us/
It took a couple of days for a local dealer, (30 minutes drive North of Kingston, Ontario), to contact me.
The price quoted from the Canadian dealer was CAN$1946.00, (before taxes and shipping). At the present exchange rates, that's about US$1600. Thus, the Canadian price is a third more than yours of US$1195, (or US$200 more than the "List Price").
That, unfortunately, detracts from its being cost-effective to Canadian customers. I might as well drive to your altE store in Boxborough, Massachusetts, (about 7 hours driving time from Kingston), buy the unit from you, and pay the sales taxes to import it (myself) into Canada.
You would not be the first Canadian to visit us, it's done all the time. It's a lovely drive. We can prepare the commercial invoice to help you get it through customs. We can also get you a shipping quote, you would still be responsible for the import fees.
The saltwater batteries are designed for 48 volts but my system is 24 volts. Is there a solution?
Absolutely fantastic video.
Great presentation and very informative.
Greg West YES NOT BAD FOR A HIGH PRIZED LOW ENERGY BATTERY! lol.
just a correction or input. elect. flow from - to +
_Current_ flows + to -
Are these not for sale? i have been searching the site and it appears these aren't for sale. Why is that?
The company went bankrupt a few years ago. It has been bought, and they claim they will be making it available again. We have notes in the description explaining that. We left the video up as an informational video, people seem to be interested in the technology.
Is this what nanoflowcell is basially?
Hello, I cannot find where to buy these batteries anywhere. Could someone message me as to where this tech is. I went to the AtlE Store, there is nothing there.
Shortly after Mr Gates became an investor the company went under. The webpage is just an info guide now. Funny how a 48v saltwater battery could have changed the lithium market he is so highly invested in also. Now gone
Thank you for releasing this informative video. I wonder why the price is so high if the materials are really so common. Maybe digging out of research costs? We will be building an off grid home in a year or so, and I'm researching options. I absolutely love this idea, but just wonder if the price will always be so high. It seems like it should be lower than other types of batteries, but I'm ignorant on the subject. Maybe someone can elaborate.
Most new technologies tend to be a bit more expensive in the beginning. Hopefully as volume grows and techniques advance, the pricing can start coming down. But do remember, since these batteries last so much longer than lead acid batteries, over the life of the system, even now they cost less than lead.
I can't wait for someone to DIY this 100yr old salt water tech.
So,what happenned to these batteries?
Price per kwh?
thank u ...any 12 volt systems.. how much is one battery...God bless all u do...a nice battery system..
Unfortunately, Aqiuon went bankrupt, and we are no longer selling their battery.
Are there modules left???
I haven't seen any in years.
Hello,
I think you may be using C-rate incorrectly.
I believe the c-rate is defined by the amount of time it takes to discharge/recharge the battery, and a 1-C rate means you complete this in one hour. A 2 C rate means you can finish this twice as fast, as in 30 min. a c/3 rate means your rate was 1/3 of a 1 hour c-rate, which is 3 hours.
A 10 hour discharege cycle is a c/10 rate.
+Your Mom Exactly. So a c/20 rate for a 100Ah battery is 100Ah/20 hours = 5A.
Wow smart and pretty :)
Seemed like a great idea...what happened?
I'm sold, when can you install them so I can finally get rid of my energy supplier ;)