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When I worked from home but had slow Internet, I would leave fhe TV on, with nothing much to watch. The episode you're describing was part of a one week "To catch a predator" special BUT Chris Hansen hosted only 4 nights, Friday night's host was a woman (I forget who) and I swear that I am not exaggerating, it was on TH-cam for years; the "love story of Mary Kay Letourneau and Vili Fualaau". When he was 12 and she was his 34 year old teacher, she began a sexual affair with him. I'm not kidding when I said that Chris Hansen hosted 4 nights of angry schlock with idiots implicating themselves and a 180 degree turn for the "love story"on Friday night. What is odd is that when I finally complained on the TH-cam upload (they either took it down or just blocked ir from me), I saw a great many comments that basically said what the host said; "wonderful, etc.". Truly bizarre. I don't have time to watch this video but you and everyone should know.
Fun fact, I was a PA and an extra on Tahara. I literally did a double take seeing myself and friends in the background of the clips you posted, cool to see this film getting more traction!
I highly recommend the PSA short movie "Tricky People, Yello Dyno" It teaches kids that "tricky people" are not only strangers and that they can be trusted people in power too. I was shown it in elementary school and I will sing its praises until I die.
Well, think of it this way: Everyone has seen or heard of the show. Would you want to be the idiot caught on a well known TV show on its 2nd or 3rd season?
there was no social media back then, people were spending time in chatrooms and posting on online forums. what were the odds the chatroom had a to catch a predator decoy present? most people don't like to even consider getting caught
first thing my parent said when i told them i was a survivor of csa was "how? i knew every adult you were ever with". and they are a smart and thoughtful parent! but this narrative is so pervasive that it's genuinely blinding for people
I think, almost counterintuitively, if you can think of all child predators as these monsters that hide in dark corners of the world, it feels safer than thinking that the people you love and trust can be someone that does one of the worst things imaginable to your child. There's a reckoning that comes with that as well, if the person that harms your child is someone you've taught that child they can trust, I imagine it could ignite some feelings of guilt that could be difficult to deal with. Sorry you went through that
@@evintydeThere is a lot of effort that goes into demonizing the "other" as being responsible for bad things happening. Framing mentally ill people's (often toxic or damaging but non-malicious) defense mechanisms as calculated abuse by barely-human monsters, attributing predatory behavior to minorities or strangers, or even normalizing harmful behaviors as "well, everyone does that, it's socially acceptable". It's all to give people a false sense of security. Often, it's so people can convince themselves "I could never do that! I'm a good person. I couldn't be responsible for anything like that."
So, I'm the survivor of a rather violent CSA at the hands of another child. And this is the first time I've ever heard how statistically common that is. My disclosure at the time wasn't taken seriously, because no one (authority figures, parents, doctors, and therapists included) believed that the perpetrator was capable of such a thing, *due to his age.* To this day, people tend not to believe me, citing the age thing. In weak, terrifying moments, I've worried that I'm misremembering the whole thing. The relief and vindication I feel right now is inexpressible. I'm going to do some more research into this, and hopefully feel less alone. Thank you.
It's common to have those issues (invalidation) when the person who hurt you was closer to your age or a sibling. My sister never assaulted me, just flashed me and made sex jokes about me and made me feel uncomfortable, but she did threaten to kill me and burn our house down and she broke in and I had to call the cops on her (she threw both phones my mom had and gave her a black eye and threatened her with a knife). Even though she was an adult and I was a child, it still feels invalid. If this were a competition you would win, no denying, but I can empathize with you.
It's wild to me that so many people just refuse to belive that kids are capable of bad things. As someone who has also been SAd where both me and the person hurting me were kids; it makes sense. Just like he says in the video kids are still navigating the idea of consent and therefore end up crossing lines which means it’s extra important to belive victims in these cases so that proper action can be taken to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
I mean, it makes sense to me. It didn't happen to me, but kids can mimic what they've witnessed and/or had happen to them. When I was 5 I strangled another peer because I saw my dad to that to my mum. I doubt many would have thought a 5 year old girl would be capable of doing that, and yet.
You aren't alone, I went through the same. I was old enough to remember things but too young to know better. I was a toddler and there were these two boys, they were in their teens and their parents were friends with my parents. So we were once friends but as time passed they did awful things to me. They took advantage of my innocent curiousity to manipulate me and to do things for them in bed. And I kid you not, I feel brainwashed because during the time they made me love it. Leading me down a dark psychological path as I grew. I remember we even had a schedule, that we would do those things every Friday. Today I suffer mentally because at an early age I was already feeling my hormones acting up towards other boys, even in my school. I was eventually caught by teachers drawing questionable images on my paper and squeezing myself into tight spaces to hide just so I can touch myself. It was dark times and it took me a lot of lectures and talking to figure that this was not acceptable. And till today I suffer this way lustfully. I have done my best to stop being attracted to males in respect to my newly found Christian faith, but then the lust would also latch unto women now. And I couldn't seem to catch a break, I can never live normally again because of how I live mentally. And I blame it on those two boys to this day, I only remember their names as Yeyel and Daniel. What happened to you is not impossible, I've suffered the same incident as you. I hope things go better for you in life and may you find blessings for you and your family.
I think most kids never admit they have these encounters online to their parents because they know that most parents will force them to stop using that specific app or in extreme cases the internet and chatting at all. Basically they end up punishing their kids for something someone else did. The parent will feel they are doing a good thing but the child won't see it that way and so they won't even risk telling their parents about what happened.
@@Arionid Wrong, in this day and age that will only stunt your child's development and they will just resent you and go behind your back. My ex did that. My ex's friends did that. So many people did that. Don't be so silly.
@@galaxyjam3742 people have existed millennia just fine without the internet, your disinterest in real hobbies and family is because of said screen addiction, theres studies and observable evidence of how brainrot harms childrens development but go off champ 💀
@@galaxyjam3742 The problem is they don't substitute the ipad with anything meaningful. Not giving them an ipad is one thing. Not giving them an ipad and forcing them to stay bored out of their mind doing fuck all is completely different. No books, no board games, no non-internet connected handhelds like the many portable emulation devices that exist, nothing. The problem is the neglect, not an ipad deficiency.
The biggest issue for me is that a lot of people who watch these shows could care less about protecting children. What they DO care about is inflicting harm on a socially acceptable target.
My mom works in a kindergarten in Norway. Once a year, they have a CSA learning day. They play age-appropriate animated videos, they talk about bodily autonomy, and put focus on how family members often are the culprits. They tell the kids that even if you love your dad / grandpa / uncle / aunt / whoever, you don't deserve to be treated that way, and they dispel the common threats often used to make kids stay quiet. My mom says it's the worst day of the year and the staff are always sick to their stomachs, but it's an important topic. I believe the same education is also now a part of our puberty and s3x-ed classes both in elementary and middle school. Unfortunately, we still don't have a proper consent law, so only 1% of SA leads to conviction.
Stuff like that isn't allowed in the US because of opposition from abusive parents. If a kid knows the medical terms for their body parts it is easier for them to tell another adult what happened and have them understand it. Also, they dont want kids knowing that they have the right to say what they do and don't want when it comes to their body. Stuff like forced hugs with family members they barely know aren't possible when a kid speaks out and refuses to do it. Which would look "bad" because then your child looks disobedient to others. Which is absurd to begin with but it is the truth. I've had to suffer through it and even as an adult was scolded for hitting away my father when he touched my without permission. Since I'm still expected to just accept everything family does to me. I'm lucky that no one in my family was a pdf because if they were I wouldn't have had any help from the rest of the family and would have been told I'm in the wrong.
Its comforting for people to think of CSA perpetrators as strangers. It means that the problem is *them,* its *those people.* It means they don't have to confront that one uncle everyone knows not to leave alone in the same room as a kid. It means people don't have to ask questions about the sports coach, the youth pastor, the over familiar teacher. Hating pdf files is easy when they're monsters in the darkness and much much harder when they're someone you know and trust.
I recently found out one of my long-time friends was convicted of possessing CP. it’s truly heartbreaking, confusing, and all around hard to navigate. It’s a loss of a friend. It’s hard to grieve that but still know how awful they were
As a teen, I can say this: I’ve spoken to/messaged hundreds of unknowns, probably adults, online. Never once have I been groomed or SA’d. Here’s what the other teens around me say: “be careful of a new boyfriend” “keep an eye on your ex” “stay away from classmates you’ve turned down”. I know tens of peers who’ve been SA’d, not a single case was perpetrated by an adult. Most of those abusers weren’t punished, or prosecuted, or had action taken against them- why? Because they’re “just kids”, because everyone knows that the adults won’t listen to you about this stuff. Instead it’s written on bathroom walls, lists of classmates who’ve hurt someone, tally’s for others who were victims of the same abuser. It’s whispered during lunch, in the locker rooms, the back of classrooms. We have to keep ourselves safe from the abusers amongst us, because currently the authority figures refuse to face the fact that it’s almost never going to be a stranger on the side of the road.
I'm long since out of my teens. But I am grateful for all the older teens/young adults (18-25), who took the time to give me advice. On how to look out for Red Flag behaviors, and also speak up against creepy people who entered our writing/rp groups so now that I'm 28, I try to do the best in my online gaming servers, and it's still important to keep up the work of doing our best to be vigilant
I was about 15, there was a “girl” who said she was my age. We used to chat constantly for about 2 weeks, I remember she would tell me to meet her somewhere (approximately 2/3 hours away on bike) “she” was begging me to come meet with “her.” I never could as there was no cell phones then this wouldn’t have been possible. One day “she” randomly stopped writing me, account deactivated. A year or so later late at night I’m going through “grown up” sites, came across the same pictures that had been sent to me. The exact same. Sobering thought, there’s no telling who that was that I was REALLY talking to.
I can 100% confirm that age-appropriate education protects kids & should be standard practice. It protected me from potential CSA when I was 5. My mom sold Discovery Toys at the time, and one of their products was musical recording called Safety Kids, which used songs to teach preschool and little kids safety lessons they could sing along to, and better remember. Songs ranged from teaching you to memorize your home phone number, telling you to look for a "grandma or mom with children" if you got lost and separated from your parents, to scream and draw attention if a stranger grabbed you and tried to take you, and similar safety lessons. They used drama and music to make it easy for little kids to understand. One of the songs ('Stay Outside of My Line or I'll Tell On You') taught kids there was an invisible line around their body and if any adult "came inside your line" by doing something that scared you, you needed to get help and tell about this right away. My mom played this tape at sales demos all the time, and she had no idea little me was listening to it and learning all the songs, but I was. My grandma had a new boyfriend and they left him in charge of watching me (at age 5) at a craft booth while my mom and grandma both left the booth together to explore the fair. Suddenly my mom heard her name being paged on the PA to come to security and they found me there, hysterical and crying. Apparently I'd screamed and ran to a "mom with kids" and asked her to please help me find my mommy. When mom asked me what was wrong, I pointed to my grandma's boyfriend (who I was left alone in the booth with) and all I could tell her was, "he came inside my line, mom! He came inside my line!!" Of course, my mom knew what that meant. I was never left alone with the guy again and my grandma dumped him right away. I realize CSA situations are more complicated when its someone the child knows and trusts, and that can make it hard to know who to safely tell and report to. But I strongly believe the sooner education begins and it doesn't have to be complicated for preschoolers, I understood enough at 5 to make my message clear, more kids would be protected sooner in life, decreasing their vulnerability.
With my children, I wasnt sure how school or anything like that would actually be able to actually protect them, so I started young teaching them that no one not even I am to look or touch private areas of their body with the exception of medical emergency. I Always let them know if anyone tried A dont let them B get away C find me. If they threaten you or your family make sure to tell me even if they say not to. DAD promises to make anyone that does so dissapear. Forever.
Oh wow, Christy. I don’t think you have any concept of how predators approach or groom children in this day and age. Sure, teaching children to inform a trusted adult if their comfort level is breached is helpful, to a degree. But the reality is, predators are becoming increasingly more organized and use multiple tactics to not only access the kid, but to keep a child from telling others what’s happening.
I really appreciated the discussion regarding CSA committed by other kids; I suffered SA by 5 of my classmates when I was 13 and it's such a frustrating topic of discussion because NO ONE believes, or wants to believe, that children can be capable of that type of harm. So thank you for contextualizing those feelings and talking about a really misunderstood issue ❤
I’m sorry this happened to you and I know it won’t be able change what you experienced but I hope it brings you some peace to know that as a teacher I received training this week to tackle CSA. Both preventing it from happening or in the occasions it does happen how to support a victim in my capacity as a teacher. We believe young children no matter who or how young the perpetrator may be. I hope you have a peaceful week ❤
i’m so sorry that happened to you and in an attempt to empathize i want to share i had a similar experience at 15 with one peer at my high school obtaining inappropriate photos of me and sharing with all of their friends online and in person at school. it was to the point where i was harassed and still have no idea how many individuals possess these photos or have seen them at some point. and i had no idea how to handle it so i kept it to myself even now in my early 20s. i do think people don’t talk enough about this kind of CSA and how extremely isolating it can be as well.
29:43 I remember once a coworker of mine complained that her nephew refused to let her kiss him on the cheeks because his mom told him it's okay to say no to someone who wants to kiss/hug/touch him. I struggled to word a response to explain that it's a *good* thing to teach kids about consent and unwanted touching without her thinking that I was calling her a pervert for wanting to kiss family. I mean, I *did* think she was being rude and disrespectful by trying to invade the personal space of a child who had told her "No," but you can't say that to people of her generation without them freaking out...
There are a ton of people who think consent regarding bodily autonomy is only for things that are sexual in nature, and that non-sexual physical contact with people you know and especially are related to is just, fair game. To put up walls regarding it makes you cagey, stand-offish, rude, disrespectful.
@@tinfoilslacks3750 yeah, those people need to realize it was never “okay” to violate someone’s space like that, it was just their culture that made them think setting boundaries was rude.
I'm glad this is becoming more normal. We have this rule in my family that the little kids don't owe a hug or kiss to anyone, not even a high five. My heart aches to hug the grumpy little one that hates hugs soooo much but this is for the best in the war against all of the awful "where's my hug" guys she will encounter when she's older 🫡
It’s hard though because if we put the onus on children to identify predators, then we have to tell them at a very young age exactly what sex is, what unwanted touching is, what sexual abuse is, etc. we cannot be vague, because kids do not understand euphemisms. Relying on children to identify predators can lead to satanic panic type situations because children don’t actually know stuff. I’m just speaking from my own experience here because, as a child, CPS opened an investigation on my family and interrogated my 9 year-old brother for sexually abusing me. That happened because we had a school program called “good touch/bad touch” which tried to educate kids as young as 6 about sexual abuse and inappropriate touching, but they didn’t want to talk about what sex was, so they had to be very vague and euphemistic. So I ended up reporting my brother to a school counselor because I didn’t understand what sex abuse was and i basically thought that us fighting occasionally qualified as a “bad touch”. And yeah, that basically triggered a year long witch hunt against my brother and my parents. It was extremely traumatic for all of us.
20:54 I’m a survivor of COCSA, and thank both of you so much for highlighting this issue. Children need to be taught from an early age that consent and bodily respect are important. My abuser reached out years later and apologized by saying something like “I was so young, but you were even younger and you didn’t deserve to go through that.” I don’t forgive him. But I also don’t blame him, it’s a strange and conflicting mindset to be in. It taught me that literally anyone is capable of causing hurt, that it isn’t some random creep on the street, it’s the people I’ve already let inside. If that makes sense?
We live in a society where children face harsher punishment for boundaries they can't fully understand, while cops get little to no punishment for doing more inappropriate behavior, while holding more power and knowing those boundaries
Meme brainrot seems to linger forever I literally laughed at the first five words of your comment before actually reading the rest that my mind replaced with "bottom text" This is starting to be worrying.
No. Those "children" are old enough to hurt someone (and don't be stupid- a boy old enough to pressure someone for nudes KNOIWS DAMN WELL it's wrong.) Quit forgiving shitty male behaviour.
Yeah... this reminded me of an incident that occurred at my high school some odd 10 years ago, a kid streaked at a football game as a prank and was placed on the local sex offender registry for exposing himself inappropriately in public. He killed himself two weeks later. It was a harrowing thing. Didn't hurt anyone, was just being dumb and 15 and then couldn't see a way to continue onward.
I face CSA at home with a step father who was an ex-cop. Didn't look a damn thing like the predator on cop tv shows. Go figure that people still don't believe it.
I completely understand, for me it was my local dispatcher mother who was the rapist. It’s frustrating how people only ever believe it if they “look like a predator”, and definitely not when they are involved in law enforcement. I’m sorry you went through that too, I hope you find peace❤ you’re doing great❤
@@briarcook8855 The way I see it: the more people who see THIS video, and read YOUR stories, the better. People need to start waking up -- it is the first step towards true change. My condolences to you, my brother/sister in humanity. If I could hug you though this screen, I would.
parents would rather believe theres rapists and predators are lurking around every corner online and the only way to stop them is to police and surveil their childs online activity... rather than creating a trustful and caring enviroment not matter what, teaching that child that no means no with physical touch no matter what (like they dont have to kiss that aunt or give that hug to their grandpa) and believing them if they do report and showing support to victims generally
I'm 25 and my mom taught me sex ed starting at 6 and always told me that I don't have to hug or kiss anyone if I don't want to. It sometimes surprises me how ahead my mom was of the curve with all this stuff. Love u mom
This predates the internet. The fear about Stranger Danger was a panic long before it went online - back then it was rumors that so-and-so heard a kid was abducted by a stranger in a van outside school, or did-you-hear-about the pervert offering children sweets to go back to his car? Funnily enough it was never about a person the child actually knew - always some mysterious other adult.
@@vylbird8014 The fact that the same false narratives is STILL being pushed by the media for now near 4 decades despite many experts like the one interviewed openly told them it's not only wrong its extremely dangerous to push shows how much the media wants to push this as fear mongering
Right? Being taught about consent would have been so immensely helpful for me. It was always "Don't let anybody touch you!" but in practice I was ALWAYS expected to touch/be touched by everyone. "Give grandma/grandpa/your brother a hug." When a classmate finally touched me inappropriately, I didn't say anything for months, maybe years. Their words didn't matter because their actions contradicted them.
I remember reading about "the monster myth" and how it influences people to be way more shocked when an abuser or killer is someone they actually know rather than a stranger, even though most of those types of crimes are perpetrated by people who know the victims.
The same is pretty true of serial killers. Everyone gets taught to fear the creepy looking people but the attractive and normal looking ones often do the worst crimes. Ted Bundy and Jeffery Dahmer are two cases of this. It's not until after their caught that people say that conventionally attractive people who kill have "soulless, black, dead eyes like a shark" or whatever. The way lighting is in a courtroom or mugshot doesn't usually help with that either, that will make anyone's eyes look lifeless.
@@ThePhantomSafetyPin I guess my takeaway from that "soulless eyes" thing is that people like to THINK that they can tell from a distance that someone is dangerous. They like to THINK that they would have known to stay away from that person if they met him. But really it's just hindsight tricking people into believing that they could tell when someone's dangerous. It's pointless to try to judge a person like that. We need to teach kids from a young age to be more situationally aware and to trust their instincts when they get a feeling that something is "off" about someone. Also, to not blindly trust authority, because many kids end up abused and not coming forward about it because they are afraid of getting in trouble.
I'm so glad you're talking about CSA that's perpetrated by other children. I was harrassed and assaulted by my best friend when we were both 12 but it took WAY too long for anyone to believe me because we were both boys and I was physically larger and stronger than him. But just like the data shows, I was queer and lonely and he knew he could use that against me
Has nothing to do w size. My best friend was molested by his male best friend and was scared to come out as gay bc of this lest it seemed like "he liked it so much it made him gay"
Me too. Thanks so much for sharing your story. Kinda tearing up rn. I was 4-5 and the kid perpetrating was a year younger and no one ever found out except my friend who was a year older and she treated it like I was the one doing something bad and she used it as a source of blackmail. I often feel like most people think that only CSA perpetrated by adults counts.
Yeah this is something that is understated for sure, I know far too many people who have had it happen to them. In my case it took me years to realize what had happened and honestly I still have trouble considering what happened to be SA but in hindsight can see it's definitely shaped how I view sexual interactions, I'm just lucky that it was far less extreme than many have gone through.
I’m a survivor of both kinds of childhood sexual abuse. At 7, I was raped by a stranger in the neighborhood. 5 years later, my father got drunk for 4 days to build up the courage to attempt to rape his 12 yo daughter. (Remember, they don’t do it bc they’re drunk/high; they get drunk/high so they can do it.) I’m aware of how rare stranger child rape is. I guess I’m a kind of unicorn-hope so anyway. Family, be good to yourselves today, whether you’re a survivor or not. Remember to be gentle w yourselves and be your own best friend. Hang in there 😘
You are so strong to have kept on living through those horribly traumatic experiences😭 Unfortunately so many people have to learn to live with horrible trauma. Not trying to downplay your experience at all or try to imply it's at all ok because a lot of people have been through similar things. It is not ok, but it's inspiring to hear that you seem to be doing ok. it's so sad that people even have to go through such pain & trauma when we as humans actually have the power to make the world such a better place for all if we would just work together & not try to keep one-upping others at the expense of so many things we should hold dear & sacred. Thank you for these words, truly I really needed to hear this because I am struggling to be gentle & kind to myself and navigate all the demons I carry. I promise I will keep trying to hang on. Best wishes 💖
"(Remember, they don’t do it bc they’re drunk/high; they get drunk/high so they can do it.)" Never really thought of it like that, but it makes a lot of sense
I have my gripes with this video, but it upsets me that a huge chunk of the comments appears to miss the point….entirely. The issue here is not with whether it’s sad that a guy killed himself or whether we should feel bad for people who diddle kids. The issue here is with creating and even manufacturing entertainment from a revenge fantasy for adults and pretending it was for the security of children, all while actively misrepresenting of how SA actually occurs. There is a reason people learn criminology and law before they can embark on “catching predators”. These people think they are The Punisher.
I've gotten some shit for saying this but personally I don't think it's EVER okay to tell someone to kill themself or justify them doing so. You can be happy they're gone without being a dick to the family that is going to be grieving over a lost love one. There is nothing more heartbreaking in the world than watching someone screaming at a funeral asking why their mom/dad/sister/brother/daughter/son chose to end their own life.
@@expensivepink7having a job working closely with random people all day. There are so many people that have made me question how they have managed to just keep themselves alive... it's honestly baffling and makes me wonder how they go through life day to day.
The part about child sexual abuse being perpetrated by other kids... blew my mind, because it's something I don't even consider now as an adult and yet looking back at my childhood, can 100% confirm having seen fellow kids/teenagers do stuff ranging from silly, to stupid to ..'harmful sexual behaviors'. You may not have seen stuff personally, but you've heard about stuff because kids talk. Kids genuinely have no clue, more so when they're not taught about boundaries, consent, or even how their bodies work. Seems like something more sex education, awareness, gender studies, etc can help with, and yet we have people arguing for ...less of this.
I was almost r-ped by a friend who claimed to be younger than me, that and the fact that we were both Small Girls TM is one of the main reasons why I couldn't really tell anyone
My friend recently opened up about being sa'd by a 12 year old friend at 7, children should be taught about the gravity and language of these things to help prevent these scenarios
just about the beginning part, one of the few good things my gradeschool ever did was, starting in KINDERGARTEN, something called 'safe touch'. instead of just going whole-hog on the 'dont get into the van that says 'free candy'' narrative, they actually sat us down and told us if ANYONE, including our parents, including our relatives, was interacting with us in a way that we didnt like, to be loud and obnoxious and get attention and tell a trusted adult, including if that adult was the teacher. they really emphasized that its the right thing to do, even if its someone we know- ESPECIALLY if its someone we know. of course we were also told about stranger danger, but they actually spent a decent amount of time on Safe Touch specifically, and I really appreciated it.
I have to take a break from this video because I was molested at ages 7-8 by someone who was 10-11 and it was 100% vicious and done with the intent to dominate and humiliate me. I hesitate to bring up that my worst predator was also a child because I don’t want it dismissed as “experimenting” or somehow innocent and misguided. I do believe that growing up in rape culture can lead to unintentional damage but I don’t think of that as abuse. Abuse is intentional and cruel and while I hold compassion for the child who hurt me, I don’t excuse it. She wasn’t dumb. She was smart and savvy and it’s AMAZING how many tactics she used on me that full-on cult leaders use on their victims. It was incredible and also incredibly sad to see how much rage a ten-year-old child can bottle up and then unleash. Just how unprotected SHE was boggles my mind. Also, I don’t think it did her any favors for people to dismiss her capacity for evil because she was small and cute.
i get you. when i brought up my own child sexual abuse by older boys (also minors) to my therapist she excused it by calling it juvenile curiosity and "playing". victims of minor predators aren't taken seriously unfortunately because these cases are more complex and people usually stop at "kids don't know what they're doing". i feel like i have to censor my own experiences to be taken seriously because people are uncomfortable thinking about minors committing acts of sexual violence. i'm sorry you have to deal with this shit too.
Child offenders need to be taken seriously, the reason for low recidivism among those that are caught is because those kids are supported out of that behavior. Also, since so many child perpetrators have shit going on in their lives, I'm sure it would adult abusers or neglect going on
@@mudnarchist I think enough was done TO her. I think that she should have been a) moved to a safe location and b) gotten some counseling. She lived in a world where anything could be done to her and she could do anything to anyone without any consequences. That’s a terrifying world to live in for a kid. For me, I was in that situation temporarily and I had a mom who, despite her flaws, wouldn’t have allowed herself to “not know” about my abuse. And she wouldn’t let me get away with hurting other people either. Honestly, at that age, just being called out is incredibly effective. To have it verbally acknowledged that it’s not okay for that to happen to you or for you to do that to other people. Something that simple would have changed her entire world view.
@@pory-z Yeah, you can call it play and experimentation when it’s consensual, not coercive. When consent is denied or not optional, that’s abuse. I hate that you went through that too.
I recall a lesson my dad once taught me when I was younger where he showed me a picture of a greasy-looking fat-guy and a handsome clean-shaven man and asked me, "One of these is a pedophile, who do you think society will assume to be the pedophile?" And when I pointed to the fat guy he asked, "Now, why do you think that is? It's because he's ugly. If he assaults a young girl, then it's child-rape, clearly and he must be punished. But if it's done by the handsome man, then it's 'consensual' sex and she should be 'lucky' to have such a man in her life and we shouldn't ruin his life over something like this." That lesson has stuck with me ever since and it's sad how true it is.
sadly this is even more true with the genders reversed. Female teacher abuses a male student? The news calls her a "cougar", and everyone calls the kid "lucky"
What a load of shit by your dad. Its MEN that get told they should be lucky to have a.woman want them so bad that they're a full on creep towards him. NOT women
this is especially true when it's a young boy and an adult woman. most often when i hear men talk about how they were violated as kids or teens by an older woman they say that the friends they confided with and even adults told them how lucky they were to be "taught" by someone with more experience. it's disgusting in either case
The fact is, everyone thinks of offenders as easy to see, easy to detect, and obvious to avoid due to stereotypes mentioned in this video. But when I told my family who SA ed me from kindergarten through early middle school, they were shocked. Because it was my grandmother. My mom’s mom, literally the person my mother should be able to trust the most to protect her baby girl. I wasn’t taken by a stranger in the middle of the night. I was made to “play a game” with my lovely, sweet, elderly Christian woman with her in the bath. I was too young to understand what was really happening, and I wasn’t taught anything about sex outside of “don’t touch yourself or the devil will get you” and “don’t have sex till marriage.” We didn’t even figure it all out until after she died.
Religious indoctrination but Christianity especially has had dire consequences when it comes to multigenerational trauma and people being basically gaslit into believing that they don’t have bodily autonomy. It’s sick.
@@DolphinboiI think you're mixing up the word gay with a different one that starts with a p and ends -phile. Where I come from, gay or straight, sex ex is taught that you should be wearing condoms and using a second method of birth control if you're having sex with a person of the opposite gender. It didn't specifically say anything about gender of partners in the class except where anatomically relevant, and that's how it sounds be. That also means the sex ed was as gay as it was straight, because sex is just sex and being safe or unsafe is not about gender.
Man I have a lot more to say on this topic than TH-cam would allow, but as a Gen Z guy, I think pretty much *every single* girl I knew between ages of 10-15 got groomed on Kik, and tons of them got extorted. I know a lot of people talk about TikTok and IG, but the real one now is Discord. The servers are totally unmoderated and people of all ages hang out in video calls for several hours a day, and at any random time. I used to be in video game servers, and every single server has a story about a former mod who....isn't a mod anymore.
ur right about discord. the fact that u can edit msgs after u send them makes it so keeping evidence is really hard. i think most people who regularly use it have stories to tell about the shit that goes down
can vouch about discord mods, i used to moderate a fairly active roblox server on discord as a minor. i saw about the same amount horrific shit as my mom did during her CSAM identification training as a CBSA(canadian border security agency) officer. so many beheading videos and lolicon videos disguised as memes
One really huge aspect with discord is that when youre a little kid, so much of your time revolves around hanging out with your friends and playing video games, that the moderators have a lot more "authority" than parents realize. I got groomed on TeamSpeak and Skype playing games like Garry's Mod. It was a really bad problem back then, and when Discord came out, it basically combined TeamSpeak AND Skype into a social media that most adults have never even heard of.
I’m editing this because this deserves much more than a snarky comment about how the world sucks. The amount of stranger danger messaging that has surrounded me all of my life has mixed in with my general paranoia to make it so all of my life I have been incredibly afraid of people and going to the bathroom in public. The rhetoric we use to talk about these things is disgusting and misleading and negatively effects every single one of us. Especially growing up as a woman all you hear is about how dangerous everything and everyone is except for the people around you who are the ones much more likely to abuse you. Instead of learning about consent and how to identify this behavior we are only taught to live in fear and hope we are not abused.
Exactly. And that same misconception is pervasive among police, too. It runs so deep, they basically don't fundamentally grasp the concept of consent between friends/colleagues/classmates/intimate partners. They're especially blind to complex domestic SA abuse. And they aren't really listening if you try to explain it to them. I had a step dad who repeatedly tried to convince police to open an investigation after his teenage daughter got assaulted by a young adult man. He scoured the neighborhood for months, and finally learned the man's home address. He knocked, the man's mom answered, and lied to his face for about twenty minutes. When she finally admitted that she did have a son, he matched the description, and he lived there with her. Then she vehemently insisted he moved to Walla Walla and slammed the door shut. Step dad watched the dude enter the house. He knew he was there. Called the cops again, offered them an easy conviction with a little bow on it. They patronized him a bit, but made it clear that they were never going to investigate. The only meaningful response he ever managed to coax out of cops, was when they flat out blamed Him for it. Basically said he should have made different choices as a father, or been psychic, or a paranoid totalitarian. Imagine looking a distraught father in the eyes, and telling him his kid's PTSD is on him. The perp had spent months gaining the households trust. He was a family friend. That's why the cops couldn't recognize the crisis or the crime.
this episode of skip intro was made for me! I work as a family advocate, interacting with and helping the families of both the CSA victim children and child perpetrators. I'm so glad you talked about this - I've been at my child advocacy center for going on 2 years and I've only seen one case of an unknown assailant, and even then - it was ENTIRELY opportunistic. Every. Single. Other. Child - they knew the person who hurt them. 1 kid in almost 2 years, and at a center seeing nearly 1200 kids each year. I appreciate your diligence! Thanks for the great video.
@doopydarp1027 I don't think that number is far off at all. I think people underestimate the ways kids and teens, even unintentionally, can sexually traumatize each other. Siblings exploring and playing house or doctor. An abused child who thought the CSA they experienced was normal, trying to connect to other kids. Teens who haven't received any kind of sex Ed or consent talks. Angry hormonal kids with nowhere to put their energy. Lonely or neglected kids who are trying to find connection, but haven't had education or healthy relationships modeled. Its very common for me to work several cases of CSA in a row which are all child on child.
As somebody who was exclusively groomed online, I came across tens of adults conscious about my age who would engage sexually with me and ask for explicit photos and videos. I know friends who are the same. It’s not a shocking statistic.
yeah, idk what the guy is on about you can go in many discord servers and give a vague inkling that you might be underaged. then suddenly your dms have 3-4 nonces with anime or trans flag avatars trying to get you on voice. its definitely gotten worse.
@@jazmineraymond7495Literally no reasonable and intelligent person would think that policing attire is a form of csa prevention 😂??? Clearly education and awareness is what they are referring to. idk I might have read that wrong
@PunishedFelix prevention as in educating people on things like how to interact with others online. How to know if someone is trying to grooʻm you. How parents can better check in on their kids. Signs of sa. Etc. Theres more to prevention and not what youre thinking of lol to ease ur anxiety
To Catch a Predator may be gone but thank god we have TH-cam predator catchers now! These guys definitely care about the children and are not at all clout chasing influencers! Hell, I remember a few years back in the brony fandom there was this group of self-proclaimed pedo hunters who thought they were on some hind of crusade to purge the brony fandom of predators......until the group fell apart becasue half the members turned out to be grooming kids themselves.
Bruh the internet security at my high school was so bad that a dude actually put Halo Combat Evolved on every computer at the same time and we could all play together if the teachers weren't looking. He was crazy shotout Landon H
@@demetriousramirez Same, but instead of a publicly available folder we just asked each other to send game roms to our school profiles. Everyone had a Genesis and/or NES/SNES emulator on their profiles they could fire up as soon as they logged in. XD
I think the biggest issue is that kids are denied any sort of consent or sex education. I was victimized for several years before I even knew what he was doing to me and that it was wrong.
Don't know about chess, but off the top of my head in roughly reverse chronological order (some overlap): - The Groomers (political version) - Online predators. - Violent video games. - Online porn. - Gangsta Rap - Video nasties. - Offline porn. - The Satanic Panic. - Rock n Roll - Second Red Scare - Comic books - Gay panic - First Red Scare - Penny Dreadfuls - Masturbation panic - Literal witchhunts. - Several centuries of Catholics and Protestants taking turns trying to kill each other.
A thing I often rant about as a Social Service Worker in Canada is how we have no interventions for people with predilections to exploit children. Our system just like the US waits until a child is harmed. We need a way to discuss these issues and provide interventions.
@@AboveAverageGamer1 that is not true. There are people with those desires that have never offended there is a whole documentary about it called “I pedophile”
Exactly! We have the highest child mortality rate in the developed world, and then we make a big show about protecting our kids by punishing perps to the full extent of the law and putting them on useless registries that almost not other country in the world uses.
As a victim of COCSA… I’ve been told by everyone but my therapist that “that’s normal. You’re just experimenting” and that tells me A LOT about how common it is.
it's a startling realization that CSA isn't always a creepy stranger touching kids, it's also when a 17 year old is groped by an adult man who you thought liked you :(
I was a victim of CSA at 15 by a 14 year old, and I was nowhere near his first victim… it is very common from personal experience that kids are offenders very often
@@UniqueHandlesBaiting is a tell that you're desperate for the attention your parents didn't give you. What's it like to be the equivalent to a teenage girl posting her cuts on Tumblr? Are you proud of who you've grown up to be. Attention whoring as a hobby is pretty sad lol.
I remember when I was around 15, my friend told me one of our friend was forcing oral on girls our age. Teens can be so fucked. I was never a victim, but the biggest creeps I met were around 16-17. I feel like at that age you cant say that they dont know better.
It depends. There are PDF files and there are predators. Some PDF files are predators, not all predators are PDF files. And that distinction probably does matter when figuring out how to stop CSA. Treatment for PDF files won't help stopping predators, for example.
Capitalism, 'ever-increasing' productivity, and a deeply ungratifying sexual and romantic marketplace post-globalism leading to a lost for the sexual outlet and power/dominance would probably be the root causes. When nobody wants them, they force themselves upon those who can't refuse.
Yeah it bothers me how every time CSA is discussed, everyone seems to assume it happened because the perpetrator is attracted to children. This definitely happens, but a lot of cases are opportunistic predators looking to victimise an easy target. It doesn't have to be about attraction. SA is mainly about power and control. See also assault of vulnerable elderly people.
I can't express how much this video has helped me heal on so many levels. The more I watch, the more I learn about myself and how to address my fears. Wild. Great work
I think what Ryan Shields says is critically important, and it also echoed in The Morbid Zoo's takedown of The Sound of Freedom: we wait for the harm to occur before we do something. Conservatives care more about justice porn than they do about protecting anybody.
Worse than that--we don't just wait for harm to occur before doing something, some people actively look for ways to inflict harm in the name of "preventing" harm. One of the things that drives me up the wall on this topic is the way some people act around vent art--targeting and harassing _victims of abuse_ because those victims aren't coping the way that "normal" people should, so obviously they must be abusers. Not to mention shit like right-wingers weaponizing the disgust at CSA by claiming that LGBT people are all abusers. Add to that the problem of trying to _prove_ what harm happened, and the general misinformation around what abuse looks like, and the consequences of failure (both by failing to catch a predator, and by falsely identifying someone as a predator), and...yeah, it's a mess.
There's just something about seeing a bunch of kids screaming; 'and it's probably A-Minorrrrrrrrr' that is just absolutely priceless. It's almost enough to make you feel bad for Drake, but not really.
Out of the whole 10 years of my life I've been online, including the VERY dark sides of twitter, posting my face there and having a pretty large following, I've been contacted only twice by predators. I've sought them out myself twice. I feel like many minors now are aware of the dangers and know what to look out for, and with how easy it is to just completely block someone, you'll ever rarely hear from a predator again after curating your space and being smart about what you post. Not to mention the fact that many, many, predators online are completely upfront about it now, asking for pictures and inappropriate things right off the bat where most healthy kids will just think "gross" before blocking. The real predators are the people you are closest to. One of the greatest factors in preventing grooming and csa is to give your kids a loving home on top of educating.
I have such a huge issue with these “predator hunting” channels and shows. Those channels don’t have a professional backing, they NEVER call the cops, they just physically attack and shove the predator around on video and curse him out and then he walks free. It’s never been about protecting kids. It’s about being able to beat up someone that society deems as worthless and earn money at the same time. It’s SICK.
Not any I watch.. Trilogy Media and Skeet Hanson (as in related) these guys always have police on standby and never lay hands on them. There are some really good people out there trying to keep kids safe. Yeah, there are some not handling it the best- but better the likely pred than a child, no?
when I was 15-16, I had joined public discord servers trying to make friends and would get 1-2 creeps a month trying to message me, usually opening with asking for pictures. I would block them after the first message and I don’t consider myself a victim of csa but I think there is a large downplay of how creepy people can be online.
I dont agree, yes, gross people are common online, but what the video is talking about is continued CSA, not just a few creeps talking to you once and then blocking them, I was myself a victim of several older guys which whom I sent pictures and had sexually explicit conversations for several years on instagram, I think thats what the video is more talking about
@@anon2427I do think that the newer demand for people to be less anonymous online makes people more vulnerable to predators. You have minors posting photos of themselves at identifiable locations around town instead of being told to never say where they live online. I was allowed on a forum very young (and it saved my mental health when I was bullied and osracitized IRL) and my parents drilled the earlier internet safety stuff of being extremely private with your personal info into me. I came to the conclusion if I never told anyone I was a child, creeps wouldn't be interested in me (and I'd just say I was interested if e-dating style stuff came up) and I'd be safe. It worked, and I wonder if our current culture of everyone posting their faces is bad for this reason
As a totally clueless 13 year old boy, I was sexually harassed for months by another kid in my grade. In gym class, he’d very obviously watch me as I changed into my gym clothes, and worse of all, for some reason, felt the need to “firmly grasp” my rear end anytime he walked past. I told him so many times to stop, but he didn’t. I even went as far as to turn away and press my back against my gym locker, but he’d turn me around and do it anyway. I got so fed up with it that I told my mom who immediately went to my gym teacher and told her to get him to cut it out. The next day, she pulled him aside, and the campus officer walked him out. I never saw him after that. I also totally forgot that even happened until just now. Dang.
Silliest, most pedantic comment about your video: The clip you show when talking about Jazz is depicting Balboa and not Charleston. This is not a real criticism, but it gave me an excuse to use my knowledge of swing dancing. lol
My youngest would yell, "My body, my choice." Whenever an adult tried to hug them, touch them, pick them up without consent. Called her my little consent queen. My parents would force me to sit in the lap of men (often family) with erect!ons. Yeah i made sure my kids had ownership over their own bodies. I'm 47 and can still feel every moment my parents took away my autonomy and forced trauma onto me. The pain ripples are endless. Children remember.
Not gonna lie you're raising a brat. Imagine being the annoying family member that screams "MY BODY MY CHOICE" whenever a cousin or uncle or grandparents comes over and go in for a hug. Teach them boundaries but don't teach her to be an unlikable person with a victim mentality
@@NateS917 That is the most hilarious jump to conclusion you could have possibly made. You don't have anywhere near enough context to deduce this person's kid was being raised as a brat, yet here you are immediately jumping on the assumption that they were, because you completely lack the ability of critical thinking, and it is marvellous to witness. >"They didn't specifically mention their kid is being raised as a decent person, therefore they must be raising them to weaponise consent!" What a riot lmao Thank you for the good laugh. I mean that genuinely.
These youtube pedophile hunter channels are extremely disturbing. Disliking these tactics does not mean you don't want pedophiles caught but this can't be a good way to do it.
Exactly! I say anything bad about DAP, Skeet Hansen, or any of the other pred catcher TH-cam shows, or dare criticize any of the useless tactics our justice system uses to address CSA (punitive prisons, the registry, etc.) and people treat me like I’m Larry Nassar. Pred catcher shows do nothing to protect the innocent (ironic considering that’s the name of one of their channels). Often they don’t know how to properly gather evidence or they commit crimes against the perps (e.g., by assaulting them), and courts end up letting them go. DA’s also will refuse to take the cases of perps caught these catchers.
@@76678-m they're pushing the same "isolated loner" false narratives as those before them 19:22 I'm glad he pointed out the clear racist undertones to this fear mongering
Love how when I was younger internet safety was stuff like "Never give your personal info, don't talk to strangers online, use an alias on social websites", but then companies realized they could sell your personal info. Also; Back in middle/high school one of my teachers was a pedo, VERY OBIOUSLY too, but he got away with it for so long until he worked at the high school where kids were more aware of his odd behavior. He got fired for screaming at a child to off-themselves and was later convicted of his pedo crimes, I felt bad for his inner group because my sister was friends with one and watched him slowly getting groomed and isolated. Nobody did anything.
There's a guy in my city who got 3 years in prison and a lifetime of sex offender registration because he asked a girl 2 years younger than him for nudes. He technically DID break the law but that shit pissed me off so much. He's not a fucking child pornographer.
I thought it was bad enough adult men drunkenly pissing on the street and getting indecent exposure charges that get them on the registry was bad enough, then I learned that and whew...
You end up on the registry in some states just for urinating in public, regardless of intent. Homeless and someone sees you peeing next to a dumpster because you've got no other choice? Welcome to the registry in CT
I just wanna say, as a trans person, when I was a kid on AOL Instant Messenger in the early aughts, not knowing anything about transgender healthcare and the trans community almost led me to being sexually assaulted. I met someone online who was purportedly a few years older than me (but still sub-eighteen allegedly) who was kinda sexually explicit in their language, and they tried to get me to meet them by claiming they could get me hormones. If I had known anything about trans healthcare at the time, I would have known that's probably not possible and bullshit. So, trying to ban queer language from children is potentially inciting the same harm they are supposedly trying to prevent...
Whenever he (forgot his name, the guy that you were talking with) brought up how people often forget/don't think of children being the perpetrator... Yup. I was one such kid... 7 years old at the time, and my 12 year old stepbrother... yup. I wish more people would realize that sometimes, it's other kids causing harm to a child. Edit: just realized I'm getting triggered (like in the ptsd sense of the word), so might come back and watch later, I'm not sure. I appreciate you spreading the word about this stuff.
My sincere advice is when your triggered from this stuff I found what helped me the best way literally was having a trusted person I could speak to and talk to them about the subject and I personally made myself confront the stuff that triggered me with them
My sincere advice is when your triggered from this stuff I found what helped me the best way literally was having a trusted person I could speak to and talk to them about the subject and I personally made myself confront the stuff that triggered me with them
I've been listening while im driving. I just gotta say that the point you made about the decoys behaving in "not innocent" ways is weird? Correct me if im wrong but to the creeps in the chat they believe they're talking to children. It doesnt matter how suggestive the decoys are being. Any adult who is responsible would disengage.
Literally most decoys would respond with "ok" in the chat logs when the predators would call them pretty or sexy or whatever they had to say. Like almost completely neutral.
It matters less for "moral" reasons and morso for legal reasons. If the decoys were goading the targets on, an entrapment defense would be more likely to be successful.
@@happycamperds9917this is whats important- while theyre still creeps for talking with who they believe is a child, these cases have to be handled very carefully, as certain tactics can unfortunately blur the legality of things and make a case for the creep being goaded in. obviously no one will be goaded by a child who isnt already thinking about such acts to some degree, but methods have to be careful as to not allow that wriggle room for such a defense, thus criticism of how the decoys respond is important
@@DDNEV it’s because this Walmart version of Needledrop is obviously trying to make the case of “tcap is mainly for the entertainment and to entrap” it also does not help that he goes on a 5 minute long anti-police tangent. He’s a typical “ACAB” twitter user.
You've got to breakdown Criminal Minds! Every episode places another marginal group as a "potential serial killer" , and early on they even acknowledge that most of this is "suburban fiction".
I got followed home by two different creeps before the age of 12 at two different houses. Police didn’t do shit- having my older siblings there to form a safety in numbers did. Being stalked as a child really does a number on your view of the world- and I won’t hesitate in saying that poverty was the main cause to put me in the path of dangerous people. I’m not even sure if it counts as CSA even though I was followed home by a van full of games and candy-found out about it after the arrest no way I ever let myself be close enough to see in person.
Hey, I work with childhood SA survivors, and while I think most of this video is good, one thing I would edit/think about - saying if an adult is being “pressured” by a kid and therefore does something with SA it’s kinda understandable or not as much the adults’ fault is…not a great message tbh. I know that’s not what you’re intending, but saying it’s equivalent to entrapment is kinda…questionable. I’m not particularly sympathetic to the idea that the kid didn’t seem as “innocent” and therefore the adult’s actions were less despicable. Like, I get and empathize with the point of the video, but the discussion section around the 30 minute mark isn’t great. It implies or outright states that the adults coming aren’t as responsible because the people they thought were kids were being more knowledgeable or suggestive than one would expect. That shouldn’t matter. I’m sorry but that bit is not having great implications to survivors and is relieving people of responsibility for their actions in some pretty awful behavior. (I hope this came across as respectful and clear).
i see where you're coming from, but i think its also important to point out how the language the decoys use could cause the case to be thrown out because of entrapment
@@runninggeese "Could" and *did* are two different things. *Did* any of the charges get dropped because of entrapment? If so, then a discussion can be had. If not, your pondering is worthless.
@@CharlieHolmesT Yes I watched the video, forgive me for not remembering every exact detail. If one got thrown out, then we figure out what set it apart from the others.
I'm not super far into the video yet but the idea of a specific image of a predator has got me thinking about how almost all the statutory rapists I've encountered or known of in real life haven't been old gross basement dwellers they have been guys in their mid 20s, often physically attractive and very social with a pattern of grooming younger teenage girls into abusive situations and these types of people rarely face criminal consequences because society isn't as sympathetic towards girls post puberty who have "willingly" entered into an age gap relationship even though they are literal minorssss
And yeah, actually people as strangers online DO do this to kids. There's evidence it happens on Discord a lot. It happens on TikTok. It does happen. Just because a) cops are sketchy as a whole, b) this show could be considered copaganda, c) this show was maybe not the best way to target this issue doesn't mean that sexual DMs with a Minor on Discord is not STILL a form of CSA. SkipPlay is simply wrong that it's "not common". In fact I know many friends this sort of grooming happened to. Assault is assault, it doesn't need to be physical, and every single one of these offenders DESERVED to be named and shamed.
"society isn't as sympathetic towards girls post puberty who have "willingly" entered into an age gap relationship even though they are literal minorssss" This is very true. We remorselessly toss their boyfriends into prison despite their protests and force them into "therapy" with someone who makes a living off of gaslighting them into thinking that they were abused just because they're under 18. My cousin started dating her now husband when she was 14 and he 26. My mom and all her friends dated guys in their 20's all through high school. This kind of thing is normal human behavior. It is our society's modern interpretation of it that is abnormal. and harmful.
@@ashyy6819 No, it's not. This kind of relationship pattern has been the norm for countless societies throughout history without anyone finding anything wrong with it. Even today, several countries have an AoC of 14, even 12 in about half of Mexico, without anyone finding anything wrong with it. Modern America (and to a lesser extent modern western civilization) has the most deviant sociosexual norms of any society to ever exist; I wouldn't put much stock into whatever Americans count as "normal."
So the media shouldn't do anything. The police shouldn't do anything. Who or what should then? Not trying to be mean or anything, just trying to understand where this going.
i really think his presentation needs some work but what he's saying is that To catch a predator was doing this in the worst possible way. the media can talk about this, but they were sensationalizing it. the police SHOULD enforce it, but they shouldnt work WITH the media to do it.
I can't remember if you mentioned this, but in terms of CSA, a lot of abusers aren't even pedophiles. They're abusing children not out of some mental attraction issue, but becuase they want to abuse their power over someone who cannot effectively resist or complain.
@@carlosa4852 I see this axiom being presented a ton around this topic but I've never particularly understood where it comes from and what it means in a practical sense, do you mind elaborating on it? (Genuine question from someone who isn't particularly well educated on this sort of topic and doesn't have any practical use for sexuality and the like irl, not dismissing it in case it comes off like that otherwise)
P3dophilia is not a mental health issue. It lines with more common s3xual orientations. "Studies also report pathological symptoms or personality disorders as important correlations with s3xual offending (Cohen et al., 2002; Gerwinn et al., 2018; Neutze, Seto, Schaefer, Mundt, & Beier, 2010). Overall, these point to other concrete factors as predictors of s3xual offenses against children than minor attraction itself (Massau et al., 2017; Mitchell & Galupo, 2015)." Here is the other info: "What is certain is that minor attraction follows a developmental arc similar to the more common s3xual orientations: It is stable, often realized before or during puberty, and encompasses a clear preference in s3xual and/or romantic partners for each individual (Seto, 2012). Many MAPs become aware of their attraction before they are fifteen years of age (Seto, 2012; Tozdan & Briken, 2015; Houtepen, Sijtsema, & Bogaerts, 2015; B4U-ACT-Act, 2011)." And "It is consistently demonstrated, however, that impulsivity and aggression commonly observed in persons convicted of s3x crimes are not intrinsic to minor-attracted persons (Mitchell & Galupo, 2015; Kärgel et al., 2016; Massau et al., 2017; Schiffer et al., 2017; Gerwinn et al., 2018)." One more, again for others: "Studies of personality characteristics on average find low levels of aggression among p3dophiles. Other than the attraction itself, studies fail to find any abnormal or pathological characteristics (Sandfort, 1987; Okami & Goldberg, 1992; Goudreault, 2017)." Ppl interested can search and read more via "B4U-ACT’s Summary of MAP Research". Thank you.
thank you so much for having a section about cocsa. its something so overlooked i often dont even feel like i have a place in discussions about csa at all despite having literally been assaulted as a kid
One of the most important thing this video asks is how we can shift the conversation from punishment of perpetrators to prevention of abuse to begin. While both are important, the former is focused on acting only after harm has been done. The latter is much harder to explore because prevention neccistates understanding why and how abuse happens. In the same way that criminal investigation and profiling required us to understand what made a criminal mind and what motivated it, we must apply the same logic here. The best way to prevent child abuse is to, as a society, understand how and why it happens. Satanic Panic 2.0 is not enforcing justice in the way that we want it to be. With a conversation that has stakes like this, there are no winners or losers, only victims.
It doesn't help that there's very few people actually interested in prevention. People are becoming increasingly aware of the kinds of things cops do to make criminal investigations have a "happy ending" for the cops, regardless of how accurate or correct the end result is, and random people on the internet aren't much better. It's frustrating.
@@TehNoobiness Germany has a nice thing where people who are thinking about abusing children like that can call and get a specialized therapist to help them deal with those urges. I fear proposing such a thing in the USA is social suicide, even though it would help save a child.
They not ready for that prevention conversation. Easiest thing to do would be rehabilitation or places they can go. But people are to vindictive. They rather wait until it happens to got outraged
@@zero1188its interesting how strongly some folks react to the concept of 'prevention' with this topic'. i understand that vindictive feeling, wanting those who hurt others to face retribution in some way, but that being the main focus only allows harm to continue until it gets recognized. this wasnt a sexual case, but i was abused by my sister, and after a lot of time in therapy of my own and years to digest everything, my take has become 'i wish she couldve gotten therapy before all this'. she still hurt me, and believing there couldve been something done to prevent that isnt an excuse, but some folks dont seem to understand that, and jump to assuming that the belief is 'the perpetrator is a victim too, actually'. it cant always work, i cant say for absolute if therapy wouldve prevented her behavior, if to an extent to at all, but that possibility exists, and wishing it couldve happened isnt wrong or somehow detracts from how i was hurt this reaction will differ per victim, it can change with time (i know there was certainly a point where i held much more vitriol towards her and had far less sympathy for how things happened for her prior to the abuse), but i think consideration towards the benefits of preventative measures is important. we cant just dog the bounty hunter our way outta predators existing, theres no secret monster gene we can just eliminate from the gene pool with enough prison sentences. its just that when damage is done that that gets more attention than the potential of someone to harm (at least on average, some folks are real keen on believing that getting rid of drag queens will make a substantial change to csa rates). violence garners more eyes and movement than all the numbers of people who couldve done such violence without help they got, and nuance as a whole is rarely considered in the face of horrors that certain people wish to make entertainment out of
Love your channel and this series! But I'm gonna be honest, you already knew this video was getting demonetized, you really didn't have to use the goo goo ga ga baby self censorship language. You're making a video where Child Sexual Assault is a forefront topic. Say pedophile. Say rape. The ability to say these words in the context of these issues is very important.
blame youtube and also things like tiktok and the shorts format. Most youtubers take segments out of their videos to create shorts which is kind of a mandate by youtube, same shorts can be used on tiktok. Both have autobans or demonitization on these topics. Also blame advertisers and companies who demand the restrictions. Hell Only Fans was almost closed because banks refused to do business with them.
so sick of this entrapment argument. if a woman walks down the street with nothing but a bikini top and a thong is that entrapment for potential rapist? What if she laughs at a cat call, or goads the potential abuser in any way, then gets raped. Is that entrapment? because she in some way participated in the events that lead up to her assault? I have zero sympathy for anyone who goes out of their way to meet up with someone they believe is a minor, no matter how much they may have been pushed or "entraped." People who arent theives dont steal, no matter how many shiny gold bars they might see in a strangers house. Idk theres a lot of stuff i agree with in here. like fuck the police, and the need for reframing the main focus of the conversation about csa on the higher probability instances like other children and family members/known adults. But a lot of this comes across as ethanisonline running defense for EDP.pdf people because conservatives are dumb (which tbf is true, but irrelevant to the conversation about child abuse imo) Also no i dont feel bad for the guy that killed himself, not one bit. He wasnt some troubled teenager or child who got bullied and harassed into hating themselves and ending their life (arguably leaving the bullies at fault for their decision). He was a grown man, a public figure, and a creep who got outed, shamed, and backed into a corner who then took the cowardly wet scrotum way out because he couldnt face the consequences of his behavior (not the fault of dateline, even if they didnt handle the situation well at all). Weird that you try to make it out like they killed him, or that we're supposed to feel bad for him in any way.
If i recall correctly, the Murphy PD did in fact find many instances of CP across multiple devices in Conradts house. Perhaps Chris and the police mishandled the situation, but it was was his decision to take his own life rather than answer for his crimes. The lawsuit from his sister makes it seem like she was unable to rationalize that her bother was secretly a monster.
That doesn’t change the fact that the way they went about it was wrong and done in the name of “entertainment” it wouldn’t matter if he had a whole server room full of material the fact that it was rushed to the point that the warrant probably wouldn’t even be valid with all its errors and that the TCAP people were there and pushed it to happen is the main point, the video isn’t trying to downplay what he did it’s showing how it was escalated in the name of views
@@kendallchaos the video does not just claim the arrest was executed poorly and hastily, which is a valid point, but posits that TCAP and the police were responsible for Conradts death, which is not true. He acted on his own accord and chose to die rather than admit to his evil secrets. Also, for the vast majority of TCAPs run, Hansen, NBC, and Perverted Justice operated in full accordance with the law and put hundreds of very guilty men behind bars. There was indeed entertainment to be gleaned from the show, but it was a journalistic pursuit that not only resulted in the real convictions I just mentioned but also brought awareness to an emerging dark side of the internet.
Nope. Dateline lied about that. Esquire reported that Conradt's Sony VAIO laptop was seized, and forensic analysis proved it was the computer from which Conradt chatted with the PJ volunteer, but it had no illegal material or content that indicated s3xual predation.
@@mikem7046 there were several more laptops, a cellphone, and CDs that were also seized and said to contain CP by local authorities. Regardless if this is true, just the conversation itself was an act of sexual predation and would have landed him in prison.
I am sick of people bringing up the death penalty. One ending himself to avoid consequences, or just accepting the act itself as a consequence, is not the death penalty. He took the easy way out. Nobody asked him to. He figured the punishment would be worse.
He would have known the exact penalties and crimes he would be charged with. If he killed himself, he knew that it was a different kind of punishment and clearly wanted death more than the truth,
This unlocked a core memory. My elementary school teacher would always rant and warn us about the dangers of the internet. These stories are the examples she used, she was watching to catch a predator! I was the last of my friends to get Facebook because of this
Anyone remember Roy Moore? The District Attorney who almost won the Senate seat in Alabama, on 2018, who was KNOWN to be dating children and was banned from the mall? The result was a Democratic senator winning the seat. All the craziness around certain current conspiracy theories is built on this dramatic idea that predators are all online stalking strangers, and not figures with authority, like family members, cops, church figures. You hit the nail on the head here 1:10:00. And the phrase is, "a bad apple spoils the whole bunch", so one bad apple should not be an excuse for departments to avoid scrutiny. It's a justification for firing the police department, letting state police take over, and then restarting with applicants who pass a background check.
Roy Moore gets worse the more you look at him. He was removed from office for judicial misconduct because he ordered the state to ignore a supreme court ruling he personally disagreed with. Ran for office again, was re-elected, was removed for judicial misconduct for a second time for ignoring /another/ supreme court ruling he personally disagreed with, ran for senate, and finally lost only because of multiple accusations of sexual abuse - and even then was 48% of the vote. The secret to his popularity? He is a very proud and outspoken Conservative Christian, in Alabama. His stunts, though unquestionably illegal to the point of misconduct, were also very popular with voters there. A lot of people in Alabama liked an official who had the confidence to say that any supreme court ruling which contradicts the bible is invalid and should be disregarded.
This reminds me of the Episode of George López. Max meets a girl online and George thinks it's a predator posing as a girl, only for the girl's dad to think the same thing about Max. Culminating in the dads arranging a meet up to catch the other one. A comedy of errors ensues.
“Acute” paranoid schizophrenia means that she is the worst case scenario with delusions like Tony Chase and is basically non-functional, and you can’t take anything she says as fact because she probably thinks the govt shoots her with satellite lasers.
I'm dying to talk about The Closer.. it's like they wanted to talk about problems with policing but got distracted by easy cop show tropes? And her love interest dude is made of red flags, but we're supposed to like him? And yet I can't stop watching? Help!!
I loved the first 4 seasons of that show. But Brenda, who started out as a rather fun and endearing character (for a cop) became so toxic after a while and the latter seasons became so bleak that it became a slog to finish the series. Also, what red flags did you see around Fritz? Most of his bad behavior came with the territory of him working as an FBI agent, and not from any deep character flaw that I noticed. If anything, his recovering addict subplot was done pretty tastefully, if that's what you're referring to.
Im a victim of online sexual exploitation from the age of 11 to 15. I always feel like im not a real victim cause the csa.. didnt actually happen. And i did it on purpose. There should be information about how even if you want something, youre a child and theyre an adult. Its not okay and your brain will be broken when youre older :/
It did happen. It doesn't matter if you feel you did it on purpose, that's what grooming is all about. You were abused and I unfortunately know the feeling!
Australian here. I've never seen an episode! And it's never been on Australian T.V. But even though I live at the arse end of the World, I know, shit everyone down here knows what it is. What it does, what it means to "take a seat."
Kiwi living in Aussie here. Do you think we know about it from clips or segments on 60 Minutes? The South Park episode? I ask because it's weird, you're right, everyone here knows what "take a seat" means, know the show without ever having seen it.
@@mattgilbert7347 we know all about irrelevant american pop culture because we're constantly bombarded with it. having said that, i know about this show because of references to it online.
You can buy a house as long as you aren't within your state's distance limit of a school, park, or religious institution. Most states have it 500 - 1000 feet away. Obviously this does nothing to stop the problem and is just a meaningless restriction. Some states are even dumber, and apply it retroactively. This means that you can be living in a house for 25 years, but they build a park next door, and you are forced to move.
Sort of about the house. It's a workaround. A lot of authorities - not just state, but at a more local level - really want to ban all sex offenders entirely. But they can't, because the offenders have actually served their sentence and been released - an outright ban would be constitutionally questionable, as it's imposing additional punishments that have not been handed down by a judge for a specific crime in accordance with law. Such an attempt would almost certainly be ruled unconstitutional. So instead states and cities will pass laws to 'protect children' that are intentionally impossible to comply with, in the hope that offenders will leave the area rather than meet some conditions that are by design unattainable or dangerous. For example, there might be exclusion zones - a sex offender may not live or work within so many feet of a school, park, or religious institution. May also include other venues likely to attract children, like shopping centers or arcades. Or even (in Florida) school bus routes. But... how many churches does a typical US city have? How many schools? With a long enough radius, entire cities are blanketed by exclusion zones. Mission accomplished: The unwanted are driven away. This lead to the infamous Julia Tuttle Causeway sex offender colony in Florida - an informal congregation of sex offenders living underneath a bridge, because it was the one spot in an area of multiple counties that wasn't within at least one exclusion zone. There was literally no-where else for them to live. Eventually it was closed down when Florida got decided something had to be done and started arresting them for illegal camping. Another approach is requiring offenders inform every other resident within a certain radius, in person - go around to all their neighbours and explain, in person, "I'm a sex offender and I'm living down the road from you, here's my address." It puts the offender in an impossible situation: Either they do so and end up getting beaten to a pulp by a vigilantee mob, or they try to live quietly and get arrested. Again the intent is that the offenders do neither of these, but instead leave the area. But it's hard for them to leave when they will face the same problem anywhere else in the country.
@@vylbird8014I wish that the lawmakers would be honest about what the s offender registry means for them. I find this level of dishonesty annoying imo.
@@Dave102693 The US's system of government often pits different levels against each other, so you end up with oddly-formed laws like that. The state governments can be in direct opposition to the policies of the federal government, the city governments can be against the state, and all of them are trying to weasel their way around court rulings. So it's common to get such strange things as sanctuary cities, where the city has laws that prohibit police from enforcing certain federal laws. Or many state laws that tried to prohibit abortion indirectly, by making the procedure subject to regulations too stringent to practically meet - imposing unnecessary ultrasounds, requiring a full emergency surgical theater just to consume a pill, or requiring facilities adhere to bizarre building codes. And there's a whole mess of laws passed in the south after desegregation that were just intended to give the police an excuse to arrest any black people they wanted.
I liked the video overall but the section kinda-sorta justifying the sexting between adults and the Dateline chat actors is a little gross. An adult engaging in that sort of conversation with someone they believe is a child, and confirm as such even if as stated “they doubted the age gap”, is still gross as hell.
Rewatched that section around 35:30 and yeah I definitely agree that Perverted Justice encourages some weird behaviors from the volunteers, but there needs to be a whole heap of blame on adults who do not immediately reject sexual acts and sexting with someone who they know or believe to be a minor.
Yes! The idea that the fake 13 year olds bringing up not innocent topics means the predator was entrapped is disgusting. It means 13 year olds who do that are asking for it? If a 13 year old begs an adult man online to come f-them, it's okay because 13 year olds aren't supposed to talk like that?
i see where ur coming from, but i dont think the point was to justify. i think it was to show that perverted justice was doing sketchy business. would a predator have gone to the decoy house without being encouraged? maybe. but maybe not. and in the context of entrapment, that maybe not is important eta: if a person is able to pushed or talked into inappropriate behaviors with a child, they are a bad person and are a predator. they are one horny teen away from being a rapist. but i think skip intro was talking about it from a legal standpoint
@@kkhook3 I see that, I just felt he let the perpetrators off light rhetorically. It’s still extremely concerning behavior I’d honestly say from both ends.
@@kkhook3 But is it sketchy when real teenagers act like that? Is it okay because a 13 year old asked for it? Legally, are they asking for it? Was I asking for it when I asked men to come meet me and bring condoms when I was 13? Was not speaking as innocently as adults think a 13 year old should have proof that I deserved it if a man had ever accepted? You can't separate the legal matter in this. If talking like a real 13 year old becomes entrapment when police do it then that means a real 13 year old talking like that legally deserves it.
>More online predators were arrested for soliciting law enforcement posing as children than actual children Seems reasonable considering that law enforcement has the authority to arrest people where as actual children do not, don't you think? I don't really understand what this statistic proves.
This entire video is kind of disgusting. I sincerely don’t understand what he was trying to accomplish by bringing up that the majority of CSA cases are done between two underage kids. Like, okay? Does that mean we aren’t supposed to go after the people who are legitimately trying to go after children????
@@jimtreebob2096 I thought the video was pretty good overall. The premise of the video is that To Catch a Predator does not protect kids, and it makes a pretty good case for that. I don't know why we are talking about CSA between minors, but fear mongering about stranger danger is nit helping either.
@@jimtreebob2096 The statistic is to prove what I call the White Van Fallacy, see my other comment on this video for an explanation. Basically we are looking for the wrong people, searching for creeps online when the most abusers are more personal. Their family members that are grooming the children in their own families, they are other kids that go to school with the victims, often not realizing what they are doing is traumatizing and harmful, or worse, they know and have no impulse control. They are what are supposed to be pillars of the community, people we SHOULD be able to trust and abuse that. The children statistic is rather to show that this show wasn't dealing with where it happens, and to focus resources effectively we need to stop trying to exclusively find an illusive figure and instead focus on where resources are needed.
It's related to the main point which is about how the show isn’t actually doing much good. It’s fearmongering, spreading misinformation and turning serious issues into entertainment instead of putting in effort to fix the problem. If we want to stop spreading misinformation, we need to have discussions about the actual information. This view of the dangerous stranger going after kids being the most common type of CSA makes it more difficult to adress the majority of CSA cases.
@@Katt1n The point is that shows like To Catch A Predator misrepresent CSA as an issue in order to create an entertaining revenge narrative. It's important to talk about CSA between minors because a lot of people think it doesn't happen and therefore can't recognize or respond to it effectively.
I know youtube is a hellscape run by a pearl-clutching algorithm, but would it be possible for the versions that you post to Nebula to not have the needless censorship?
Yeah who cares if the trash took itself out? Very weird vibes from this video, especially when he tried to justify the conversations and meet ups from these weirdos. No normal adult would engage in a conversation with someone who identified themselves as a kid. And a normal person sure as hell wouldn’t GO TO THEIR HOUSE. If an adult is truly worried about the welfare of a child they don’t know they’d call CPS not investigate themselves
Mental health professional (w my own lived experience) here, and i'm gonna have to second @mechatiles comment here. This series is so fantastic, and like you say, thorough! It's so rare to find such an ignorant flippant comment like the one you made about schizophrenia here. Yes, it is important to take someone's mental state at the time they made the allegations into account. HOWEVER 1) The article you referenced said that she “was found to have acute paranoid schizophrenia”. What do they mean by that? Found by whom? Found when? Acute during which time? These are all essential questions to answer before overtly discrediting her (and calling her allegations a waste of money). Because the thing people don't get about schizophrenia when they've never spent any time around people who live with the illness is: most people with schizophrenia are not always psychotic! Certainly not always acutely psychotic, because that actually doesn't make sense; if a person's psychosis is that persistent and not responsive to treatment, we call that chronic. But for most, when appropriately treated on medication, through therapy, through abstinence from substances, or just plain old time, they are completely lucid, present, and aware of their illnesses. I have worked directly with many people who sometimes are sick, then they get better. And you know what? The allegations often stay exactly the same when they're well and when they're unwell. Sometimes they get well and take it all back, sometimes they're completely unaware of what's happened and shocked by what they said. But that's simply not always - or even usually - the case. 2) People with mental illnesses - especially the lower prevalence/higher functional impact illnesses like schizophrenia - are far more likely to be victim/survivors of CSA and other similarly abhorrent violations. ESPECIALLY in that era of time when institutionalisation was so common. The kinds (and quantities OH BOY) of abuses that people suffered in the old school asylums/long stay psych hospitals are one of the main reasons they all gradually shut down throughout the 90s. 3) We actually don't know what causes schizophrenia. We don't know what causes most mental illnesses. There are theories that many subscribe to, but just like the "low serotonin levels cause depression, and that's why SSRIs/SNRIs work" theory has been thoroughly debunked after being the accepted wisdom for decades, so it may be for the dopamine theory of schizophrenia any day now. Doctors and psychiatrists act like they know things like this for certain, but they don't. You just have to have a tremendous ego to endure the training required to become a psychiatrist, so most of them are pretty arrogant about things they should actually be humble and honest about. I mean, #notallpsychiatrists realistically, but yeah, ego in psychiatry is a thing. Anyway, my point is: what we do know are the risk factors for developing a psychotic illness, and trauma like CSA is right up there alongside having a parent with a psychotic illness. So what i'm getting at is: not only can people with schizophrenia make accurate, honest, reality based allegations of CSA, but they are more likely than the general population to have suffered from it, AND evidence suggests that CSA (and similar) trauma actually makes someone more likely to develop schizophrenia in the first place. I don't know this particular story super well, it may very well be that this person who made the allegations in the McMartin case was either acutely or chronically unwell and making non-reality based statements due to their psychosis. But you can't just hand-wave away a person's reports because they suffer from a certain illness. That's ableist, and I've been watching your work for long enough to know that YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS. Maybe this would be a cool thing to address in a copaganda video on portrayals of mental illness? Just an idea lol! Thanks for reading, love your work ❤️
Where the hell can I find someone like you to talk to? I've had nothing but harmful ego driven shitty therapists so much it's turned me completely off of therapy
I know the story. She said that the male preschool teacher at her toddler's daycare was putting stuff in his rectum as part of some kind of elaborate Satanic ritual. A doctor examined the toddler and found slight irritation at the anus because the mom was prodding and touching it so much but no evidence of any actual penetration like she was claiming. As time went on the things she was alleging got more and more elaborate, bizarre, and logistically improbable to impossible. It was pretty obviously a case of paranoid delusions.
@@maybezan8149 Not only is there zero evidence that Judy Johnson was symptomatic prior to the investigation going off the rails, but the initial concern arose because her son complained of rectal pain and three different doctors dx'd likely abuse. The bizarre stuff came later and mostly from families not even involved in the investigation. The ableism and sanism in this video are frankly extremely gross.
@@UniqueHandles discrimination is "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people", no, you shouldn't discriminate against those less mentally capable than you, because that's abelist and generally, i doubt you'd want the same treatment.
The sex offender registry is like the diagrams of planes that got shot and made it back to base. You're looking at (arguably) the success cases, and you need to be more aware of people in your life who aren't on the registry.
There are still plenty, in Europe they're even as low as like 40 bucks sometimes (though even I recently had a 250 dollar round trip from Texas to central Mexico). It mainly depends on the city you fly out from and what airline you choose.
I live in the USA, and domestic flights with budget airlines usually cost me like 40 bucks one-way (about $110 with luggage costs added on top). Might depend on where you live and where you're traveling, though.
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IF IM NOT MISTAKEN CHRIS HANSON HIMSELF WAS ALSO CAUGHT IN A SEPERATE STING YEARS LATER
When I worked from home but had slow Internet, I would leave fhe TV on, with nothing much to watch. The episode you're describing was part of a one week "To catch a predator" special BUT Chris Hansen hosted only 4 nights, Friday night's host was a woman (I forget who) and I swear that I am not exaggerating, it was on TH-cam for years; the "love story of Mary Kay Letourneau and Vili Fualaau".
When he was 12 and she was his 34 year old teacher, she began a sexual affair with him.
I'm not kidding when I said that Chris Hansen hosted 4 nights of angry schlock with idiots implicating themselves and a 180 degree turn for the "love story"on Friday night.
What is odd is that when I finally complained on the TH-cam upload (they either took it down or just blocked ir from me), I saw a great many comments that basically said what the host said; "wonderful, etc.". Truly bizarre.
I don't have time to watch this video but you and everyone should know.
Fun fact, I was a PA and an extra on Tahara. I literally did a double take seeing myself and friends in the background of the clips you posted, cool to see this film getting more traction!
I highly recommend the PSA short movie "Tricky People, Yello Dyno" It teaches kids that "tricky people" are not only strangers and that they can be trusted people in power too. I was shown it in elementary school and I will sing its praises until I die.
49:26 have you ever heard of first amendment auditors? DA offices are public buildings. Cameramen could've totally filmed in there, as it's public.
It's odd to me how a lot of the predators would say how they watched the show and suspected that it was a trap
Well, think of it this way: Everyone has seen or heard of the show. Would you want to be the idiot caught on a well known TV show on its 2nd or 3rd season?
there was no social media back then, people were spending time in chatrooms and posting on online forums. what were the odds the chatroom had a to catch a predator decoy present? most people don't like to even consider getting caught
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@davidlin3257 hi David!
Reminds me of how every time I've been to jail, they just watch Cops in the day room. It's nice to be represented in media i guess 😂
first thing my parent said when i told them i was a survivor of csa was "how? i knew every adult you were ever with". and they are a smart and thoughtful parent! but this narrative is so pervasive that it's genuinely blinding for people
People seem to forget that 90% of sexual assaults are perpetrated by family and friends, only 10% are strangers
I think, almost counterintuitively, if you can think of all child predators as these monsters that hide in dark corners of the world, it feels safer than thinking that the people you love and trust can be someone that does one of the worst things imaginable to your child. There's a reckoning that comes with that as well, if the person that harms your child is someone you've taught that child they can trust, I imagine it could ignite some feelings of guilt that could be difficult to deal with. Sorry you went through that
@@evintydeThere is a lot of effort that goes into demonizing the "other" as being responsible for bad things happening. Framing mentally ill people's (often toxic or damaging but non-malicious) defense mechanisms as calculated abuse by barely-human monsters, attributing predatory behavior to minorities or strangers, or even normalizing harmful behaviors as "well, everyone does that, it's socially acceptable".
It's all to give people a false sense of security. Often, it's so people can convince themselves "I could never do that! I'm a good person. I couldn't be responsible for anything like that."
@evintyde that's something I haven't thought of, it makes a lotta sense though
damn i was assaulted by someone my age and told my dad years later and he went “that’s bad that shouldn’t have happened” lmfao
So, I'm the survivor of a rather violent CSA at the hands of another child. And this is the first time I've ever heard how statistically common that is. My disclosure at the time wasn't taken seriously, because no one (authority figures, parents, doctors, and therapists included) believed that the perpetrator was capable of such a thing, *due to his age.* To this day, people tend not to believe me, citing the age thing. In weak, terrifying moments, I've worried that I'm misremembering the whole thing. The relief and vindication I feel right now is inexpressible. I'm going to do some more research into this, and hopefully feel less alone. Thank you.
It's common to have those issues (invalidation) when the person who hurt you was closer to your age or a sibling. My sister never assaulted me, just flashed me and made sex jokes about me and made me feel uncomfortable, but she did threaten to kill me and burn our house down and she broke in and I had to call the cops on her (she threw both phones my mom had and gave her a black eye and threatened her with a knife). Even though she was an adult and I was a child, it still feels invalid.
If this were a competition you would win, no denying, but I can empathize with you.
It's wild to me that so many people just refuse to belive that kids are capable of bad things.
As someone who has also been SAd where both me and the person hurting me were kids; it makes sense. Just like he says in the video kids are still navigating the idea of consent and therefore end up crossing lines which means it’s extra important to belive victims in these cases so that proper action can be taken to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
I mean, it makes sense to me. It didn't happen to me, but kids can mimic what they've witnessed and/or had happen to them. When I was 5 I strangled another peer because I saw my dad to that to my mum. I doubt many would have thought a 5 year old girl would be capable of doing that, and yet.
You aren't alone, I went through the same.
I was old enough to remember things but too young to know better.
I was a toddler and there were these two boys, they were in their teens and their parents were friends with my parents. So we were once friends but as time passed they did awful things to me. They took advantage of my innocent curiousity to manipulate me and to do things for them in bed. And I kid you not, I feel brainwashed because during the time they made me love it. Leading me down a dark psychological path as I grew. I remember we even had a schedule, that we would do those things every Friday.
Today I suffer mentally because at an early age I was already feeling my hormones acting up towards other boys, even in my school. I was eventually caught by teachers drawing questionable images on my paper and squeezing myself into tight spaces to hide just so I can touch myself.
It was dark times and it took me a lot of lectures and talking to figure that this was not acceptable. And till today I suffer this way lustfully. I have done my best to stop being attracted to males in respect to my newly found Christian faith, but then the lust would also latch unto women now. And I couldn't seem to catch a break, I can never live normally again because of how I live mentally. And I blame it on those two boys to this day, I only remember their names as Yeyel and Daniel.
What happened to you is not impossible, I've suffered the same incident as you. I hope things go better for you in life and may you find blessings for you and your family.
Sounds like your fault
I think most kids never admit they have these encounters online to their parents because they know that most parents will force them to stop using that specific app or in extreme cases the internet and chatting at all. Basically they end up punishing their kids for something someone else did. The parent will feel they are doing a good thing but the child won't see it that way and so they won't even risk telling their parents about what happened.
YEAH. THIS. THIS IS PART OF THE REASON I DIDN'T SPEAK UP. I NEEDED THE INTERNET. IT WAS ALL I HAD.
the best addiction preventive is not giving kids ipads at all 💀
@@Arionid Wrong, in this day and age that will only stunt your child's development and they will just resent you and go behind your back. My ex did that. My ex's friends did that. So many people did that. Don't be so silly.
@@galaxyjam3742 people have existed millennia just fine without the internet, your disinterest in real hobbies and family is because of said screen addiction, theres studies and observable evidence of how brainrot harms childrens development but go off champ 💀
@@galaxyjam3742 The problem is they don't substitute the ipad with anything meaningful.
Not giving them an ipad is one thing.
Not giving them an ipad and forcing them to stay bored out of their mind doing fuck all is completely different.
No books, no board games, no non-internet connected handhelds like the many portable emulation devices that exist, nothing. The problem is the neglect, not an ipad deficiency.
I'm glad I'm not the only one bothered by how protecting kids is treated like a form of entertainment and not due diligence of adults
I don’t care why they’re stopping child predators as long as someone’s doing it 🤷♀️
@@Yellowc0ldI understand the sentiment, but the why is also important.
The biggest issue for me is that a lot of people who watch these shows could care less about protecting children. What they DO care about is inflicting harm on a socially acceptable target.
@@beanieguitarguy4070 well it's better than targeting kids
@@Yellowc0ldif they're making money off of predators they wouldn't wanna reduce their numbers
My mom works in a kindergarten in Norway. Once a year, they have a CSA learning day.
They play age-appropriate animated videos, they talk about bodily autonomy, and put focus on how family members often are the culprits. They tell the kids that even if you love your dad / grandpa / uncle / aunt / whoever, you don't deserve to be treated that way, and they dispel the common threats often used to make kids stay quiet. My mom says it's the worst day of the year and the staff are always sick to their stomachs, but it's an important topic.
I believe the same education is also now a part of our puberty and s3x-ed classes both in elementary and middle school. Unfortunately, we still don't have a proper consent law, so only 1% of SA leads to conviction.
Well we do have consent laws here in the US and we have a whopping 2% conviction rate
We also can’t have sex education in the US because a certain group of people claim it’s pornography.
Stuff like that isn't allowed in the US because of opposition from abusive parents. If a kid knows the medical terms for their body parts it is easier for them to tell another adult what happened and have them understand it.
Also, they dont want kids knowing that they have the right to say what they do and don't want when it comes to their body. Stuff like forced hugs with family members they barely know aren't possible when a kid speaks out and refuses to do it. Which would look "bad" because then your child looks disobedient to others.
Which is absurd to begin with but it is the truth. I've had to suffer through it and even as an adult was scolded for hitting away my father when he touched my without permission. Since I'm still expected to just accept everything family does to me.
I'm lucky that no one in my family was a pdf because if they were I wouldn't have had any help from the rest of the family and would have been told I'm in the wrong.
@@thatonedog819 well yeah, but that's the case for like everything in the US. the shit people get away with is crazy
Of course Scandinavia is doing it better. OF COURSE.
Its comforting for people to think of CSA perpetrators as strangers. It means that the problem is *them,* its *those people.* It means they don't have to confront that one uncle everyone knows not to leave alone in the same room as a kid. It means people don't have to ask questions about the sports coach, the youth pastor, the over familiar teacher.
Hating pdf files is easy when they're monsters in the darkness and much much harder when they're someone you know and trust.
YUP
Underrated comment.
Facts. Grew up learning one of my "uncles" raped my dad. Why tf was thay man allowed around us? Why do adults fail us like this?
I recently found out one of my long-time friends was convicted of possessing CP. it’s truly heartbreaking, confusing, and all around hard to navigate. It’s a loss of a friend. It’s hard to grieve that but still know how awful they were
I don't care if they are someone I know, if they are a pdf, their pronouns should become was/were
As a teen, I can say this: I’ve spoken to/messaged hundreds of unknowns, probably adults, online. Never once have I been groomed or SA’d. Here’s what the other teens around me say: “be careful of a new boyfriend” “keep an eye on your ex” “stay away from classmates you’ve turned down”. I know tens of peers who’ve been SA’d, not a single case was perpetrated by an adult. Most of those abusers weren’t punished, or prosecuted, or had action taken against them- why? Because they’re “just kids”, because everyone knows that the adults won’t listen to you about this stuff. Instead it’s written on bathroom walls, lists of classmates who’ve hurt someone, tally’s for others who were victims of the same abuser. It’s whispered during lunch, in the locker rooms, the back of classrooms.
We have to keep ourselves safe from the abusers amongst us, because currently the authority figures refuse to face the fact that it’s almost never going to be a stranger on the side of the road.
I'm long since out of my teens. But I am grateful for all the older teens/young adults (18-25), who took the time to give me advice. On how to look out for Red Flag behaviors, and also speak up against creepy people who entered our writing/rp groups
so now that I'm 28, I try to do the best in my online gaming servers, and it's still important to keep up the work of doing our best to be vigilant
To bring some humor to the discussion, I appreciate that you said "amongst us" instead of "among us", which would ruin the vibe.
I was about 15, there was a “girl” who said she was my age. We used to chat constantly for about 2 weeks, I remember she would tell me to meet her somewhere (approximately 2/3 hours away on bike) “she” was begging me to come meet with “her.” I never could as there was no cell phones then this wouldn’t have been possible.
One day “she” randomly stopped writing me, account deactivated.
A year or so later late at night I’m going through “grown up” sites, came across the same pictures that had been sent to me. The exact same.
Sobering thought, there’s no telling who that was that I was REALLY talking to.
In my case it was always adults
You think commenting on TH-cam on your phone in 2024 is comparable to being a kid on the internet in the 90's? Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I can 100% confirm that age-appropriate education protects kids & should be standard practice. It protected me from potential CSA when I was 5.
My mom sold Discovery Toys at the time, and one of their products was musical recording called Safety Kids, which used songs to teach preschool and little kids safety lessons they could sing along to, and better remember.
Songs ranged from teaching you to memorize your home phone number, telling you to look for a "grandma or mom with children" if you got lost and separated from your parents, to scream and draw attention if a stranger grabbed you and tried to take you, and similar safety lessons. They used drama and music to make it easy for little kids to understand.
One of the songs ('Stay Outside of My Line or I'll Tell On You') taught kids there was an invisible line around their body and if any adult "came inside your line" by doing something that scared you, you needed to get help and tell about this right away. My mom played this tape at sales demos all the time, and she had no idea little me was listening to it and learning all the songs, but I was.
My grandma had a new boyfriend and they left him in charge of watching me (at age 5) at a craft booth while my mom and grandma both left the booth together to explore the fair. Suddenly my mom heard her name being paged on the PA to come to security and they found me there, hysterical and crying. Apparently I'd screamed and ran to a "mom with kids" and asked her to please help me find my mommy.
When mom asked me what was wrong, I pointed to my grandma's boyfriend (who I was left alone in the booth with) and all I could tell her was, "he came inside my line, mom! He came inside my line!!" Of course, my mom knew what that meant.
I was never left alone with the guy again and my grandma dumped him right away. I realize CSA situations are more complicated when its someone the child knows and trusts, and that can make it hard to know who to safely tell and report to. But I strongly believe the sooner education begins and it doesn't have to be complicated for preschoolers, I understood enough at 5 to make my message clear, more kids would be protected sooner in life, decreasing their vulnerability.
Wow. I'm so glad you had that resource and it's so unfortunate you needed it.
I still hear my childhood phone number to the tune of the "I know my number, my telephone number" song from safety kids!
Thank you for sharing that story with us.
With my children, I wasnt sure how school or anything like that would actually be able to actually protect them, so I started young teaching them that no one not even I am to look or touch private areas of their body with the exception of medical emergency. I Always let them know if anyone tried A dont let them B get away C find me. If they threaten you or your family make sure to tell me even if they say not to. DAD promises to make anyone that does so dissapear. Forever.
Oh wow, Christy. I don’t think you have any concept of how predators approach or groom children in this day and age. Sure, teaching children to inform a trusted adult if their comfort level is breached is helpful, to a degree. But the reality is, predators are becoming increasingly more organized and use multiple tactics to not only access the kid, but to keep a child from telling others what’s happening.
I really appreciated the discussion regarding CSA committed by other kids; I suffered SA by 5 of my classmates when I was 13 and it's such a frustrating topic of discussion because NO ONE believes, or wants to believe, that children can be capable of that type of harm. So thank you for contextualizing those feelings and talking about a really misunderstood issue ❤
I’m sorry this happened to you and I know it won’t be able change what you experienced but I hope it brings you some peace to know that as a teacher I received training this week to tackle CSA. Both preventing it from happening or in the occasions it does happen how to support a victim in my capacity as a teacher. We believe young children no matter who or how young the perpetrator may be.
I hope you have a peaceful week ❤
i’m so sorry that happened to you and in an attempt to empathize i want to share i had a similar experience at 15 with one peer at my high school obtaining inappropriate photos of me and sharing with all of their friends online and in person at school. it was to the point where i was harassed and still have no idea how many individuals possess these photos or have seen them at some point. and i had no idea how to handle it so i kept it to myself even now in my early 20s. i do think people don’t talk enough about this kind of CSA and how extremely isolating it can be as well.
Wow, that's awful!
Also I definitely believe you, who tf would make smtg like that up?
@@SpecialBlanketPlenty of people would, how old are you lol
29:43 I remember once a coworker of mine complained that her nephew refused to let her kiss him on the cheeks because his mom told him it's okay to say no to someone who wants to kiss/hug/touch him. I struggled to word a response to explain that it's a *good* thing to teach kids about consent and unwanted touching without her thinking that I was calling her a pervert for wanting to kiss family. I mean, I *did* think she was being rude and disrespectful by trying to invade the personal space of a child who had told her "No," but you can't say that to people of her generation without them freaking out...
There are a ton of people who think consent regarding bodily autonomy is only for things that are sexual in nature, and that non-sexual physical contact with people you know and especially are related to is just, fair game. To put up walls regarding it makes you cagey, stand-offish, rude, disrespectful.
@@tinfoilslacks3750 yeah, those people need to realize it was never “okay” to violate someone’s space like that, it was just their culture that made them think setting boundaries was rude.
@@KomoliRihyohboomers truly are vile, gross, extremely self centered people.
I'm glad this is becoming more normal. We have this rule in my family that the little kids don't owe a hug or kiss to anyone, not even a high five. My heart aches to hug the grumpy little one that hates hugs soooo much but this is for the best in the war against all of the awful "where's my hug" guys she will encounter when she's older 🫡
It’s hard though because if we put the onus on children to identify predators, then we have to tell them at a very young age exactly what sex is, what unwanted touching is, what sexual abuse is, etc. we cannot be vague, because kids do not understand euphemisms. Relying on children to identify predators can lead to satanic panic type situations because children don’t actually know stuff. I’m just speaking from my own experience here because, as a child, CPS opened an investigation on my family and interrogated my 9 year-old brother for sexually abusing me. That happened because we had a school program called “good touch/bad touch” which tried to educate kids as young as 6 about sexual abuse and inappropriate touching, but they didn’t want to talk about what sex was, so they had to be very vague and euphemistic. So I ended up reporting my brother to a school counselor because I didn’t understand what sex abuse was and i basically thought that us fighting occasionally qualified as a “bad touch”. And yeah, that basically triggered a year long witch hunt against my brother and my parents. It was extremely traumatic for all of us.
20:54 I’m a survivor of COCSA, and thank both of you so much for highlighting this issue. Children need to be taught from an early age that consent and bodily respect are important. My abuser reached out years later and apologized by saying something like “I was so young, but you were even younger and you didn’t deserve to go through that.” I don’t forgive him. But I also don’t blame him, it’s a strange and conflicting mindset to be in. It taught me that literally anyone is capable of causing hurt, that it isn’t some random creep on the street, it’s the people I’ve already let inside. If that makes sense?
We live in a society where children face harsher punishment for boundaries they can't fully understand, while cops get little to no punishment for doing more inappropriate behavior, while holding more power and knowing those boundaries
Meme brainrot seems to linger forever
I literally laughed at the first five words of your comment before actually reading the rest that my mind replaced with "bottom text"
This is starting to be worrying.
@@homeopathicfossil-fuels4789 this might be the sign to touch some grass.
No. Those "children" are old enough to hurt someone (and don't be stupid- a boy old enough to pressure someone for nudes KNOIWS DAMN WELL it's wrong.) Quit forgiving shitty male behaviour.
@@StrayDogsTerritory oh trust me i touch grass on a daily basis but i should probably up the dose
Yeah... this reminded me of an incident that occurred at my high school some odd 10 years ago, a kid streaked at a football game as a prank and was placed on the local sex offender registry for exposing himself inappropriately in public. He killed himself two weeks later. It was a harrowing thing. Didn't hurt anyone, was just being dumb and 15 and then couldn't see a way to continue onward.
I face CSA at home with a step father who was an ex-cop. Didn't look a damn thing like the predator on cop tv shows. Go figure that people still don't believe it.
Same, minus the cop thing
Find peace, friends. I believe you!
@@helix33933 thank you, kindly 💜
I completely understand, for me it was my local dispatcher mother who was the rapist. It’s frustrating how people only ever believe it if they “look like a predator”, and definitely not when they are involved in law enforcement.
I’m sorry you went through that too, I hope you find peace❤ you’re doing great❤
@@briarcook8855 The way I see it: the more people who see THIS video, and read YOUR stories, the better. People need to start waking up -- it is the first step towards true change.
My condolences to you, my brother/sister in humanity. If I could hug you though this screen, I would.
parents would rather believe theres rapists and predators are lurking around every corner online and the only way to stop them is to police and surveil their childs online activity... rather than creating a trustful and caring enviroment not matter what, teaching that child that no means no with physical touch no matter what (like they dont have to kiss that aunt or give that hug to their grandpa) and believing them if they do report and showing support to victims generally
I'm 25 and my mom taught me sex ed starting at 6 and always told me that I don't have to hug or kiss anyone if I don't want to. It sometimes surprises me how ahead my mom was of the curve with all this stuff. Love u mom
This predates the internet. The fear about Stranger Danger was a panic long before it went online - back then it was rumors that so-and-so heard a kid was abducted by a stranger in a van outside school, or did-you-hear-about the pervert offering children sweets to go back to his car? Funnily enough it was never about a person the child actually knew - always some mysterious other adult.
@@vylbird8014 The fact that the same false narratives is STILL being pushed by the media for now near 4 decades despite many experts like the one interviewed openly told them it's not only wrong its extremely dangerous to push shows how much the media wants to push this as fear mongering
Right? Being taught about consent would have been so immensely helpful for me. It was always "Don't let anybody touch you!" but in practice I was ALWAYS expected to touch/be touched by everyone. "Give grandma/grandpa/your brother a hug." When a classmate finally touched me inappropriately, I didn't say anything for months, maybe years. Their words didn't matter because their actions contradicted them.
This. Most kids go to predators because they parents neglect them. But they dont want they conversation
20:27 I'm so glad they spoke about this. I am a COCSA survivor and I have always felt less valid than those whose abusers were adults 🥺
Me as well! Turns out it's more common than its known
I remember reading about "the monster myth" and how it influences people to be way more shocked when an abuser or killer is someone they actually know rather than a stranger, even though most of those types of crimes are perpetrated by people who know the victims.
The same is pretty true of serial killers. Everyone gets taught to fear the creepy looking people but the attractive and normal looking ones often do the worst crimes. Ted Bundy and Jeffery Dahmer are two cases of this. It's not until after their caught that people say that conventionally attractive people who kill have "soulless, black, dead eyes like a shark" or whatever. The way lighting is in a courtroom or mugshot doesn't usually help with that either, that will make anyone's eyes look lifeless.
@@ThePhantomSafetyPin I guess my takeaway from that "soulless eyes" thing is that people like to THINK that they can tell from a distance that someone is dangerous. They like to THINK that they would have known to stay away from that person if they met him.
But really it's just hindsight tricking people into believing that they could tell when someone's dangerous.
It's pointless to try to judge a person like that. We need to teach kids from a young age to be more situationally aware and to trust their instincts when they get a feeling that something is "off" about someone. Also, to not blindly trust authority, because many kids end up abused and not coming forward about it because they are afraid of getting in trouble.
I'm so glad you're talking about CSA that's perpetrated by other children. I was harrassed and assaulted by my best friend when we were both 12 but it took WAY too long for anyone to believe me because we were both boys and I was physically larger and stronger than him. But just like the data shows, I was queer and lonely and he knew he could use that against me
Me too x
Same-ish I am so happy someone finally brought attention to it.
Has nothing to do w size. My best friend was molested by his male best friend and was scared to come out as gay bc of this lest it seemed like "he liked it so much it made him gay"
Me too. Thanks so much for sharing your story. Kinda tearing up rn. I was 4-5 and the kid perpetrating was a year younger and no one ever found out except my friend who was a year older and she treated it like I was the one doing something bad and she used it as a source of blackmail. I often feel like most people think that only CSA perpetrated by adults counts.
Yeah this is something that is understated for sure, I know far too many people who have had it happen to them. In my case it took me years to realize what had happened and honestly I still have trouble considering what happened to be SA but in hindsight can see it's definitely shaped how I view sexual interactions, I'm just lucky that it was far less extreme than many have gone through.
I’m a survivor of both kinds of childhood sexual abuse. At 7, I was raped by a stranger in the neighborhood. 5 years later, my father got drunk for 4 days to build up the courage to attempt to rape his 12 yo daughter. (Remember, they don’t do it bc they’re drunk/high; they get drunk/high so they can do it.) I’m aware of how rare stranger child rape is. I guess I’m a kind of unicorn-hope so anyway. Family, be good to yourselves today, whether you’re a survivor or not. Remember to be gentle w yourselves and be your own best friend. Hang in there 😘
You're amazing, thank you for sharing your wisdom. Be well
Oh wow....I'm so sorry. You deserve all the grace to give. ❤❤
i'm sending you hugs 💜
You are so strong to have kept on living through those horribly traumatic experiences😭 Unfortunately so many people have to learn to live with horrible trauma. Not trying to downplay your experience at all or try to imply it's at all ok because a lot of people have been through similar things. It is not ok, but it's inspiring to hear that you seem to be doing ok. it's so sad that people even have to go through such pain & trauma when we as humans actually have the power to make the world such a better place for all if we would just work together & not try to keep one-upping others at the expense of so many things we should hold dear & sacred. Thank you for these words, truly I really needed to hear this because I am struggling to be gentle & kind to myself and navigate all the demons I carry. I promise I will keep trying to hang on. Best wishes 💖
"(Remember, they don’t do it bc they’re drunk/high; they get drunk/high so they can do it.)"
Never really thought of it like that, but it makes a lot of sense
the fact a TEN YEAR OLD can get put on the registry for PANTSING a classmate is insane to me.
My friends and I used to pants each other back in the day 😂 we thought it was hilarious. Also mooned each other a lot, different times I guess lol
Teach your children not to bully 🤷
@@DonMarzzoni Completely unrelated: do you complain about black people getting shot by the police?
I have my gripes with this video, but it upsets me that a huge chunk of the comments appears to miss the point….entirely. The issue here is not with whether it’s sad that a guy killed himself or whether we should feel bad for people who diddle kids. The issue here is with creating and even manufacturing entertainment from a revenge fantasy for adults and pretending it was for the security of children, all while actively misrepresenting of how SA actually occurs. There is a reason people learn criminology and law before they can embark on “catching predators”. These people think they are The Punisher.
the internet shows us the lack of intellect and comprehension retention of the average person and it’s scary
I've gotten some shit for saying this but personally I don't think it's EVER okay to tell someone to kill themself or justify them doing so. You can be happy they're gone without being a dick to the family that is going to be grieving over a lost love one. There is nothing more heartbreaking in the world than watching someone screaming at a funeral asking why their mom/dad/sister/brother/daughter/son chose to end their own life.
@@expensivepink7having a job working closely with random people all day. There are so many people that have made me question how they have managed to just keep themselves alive... it's honestly baffling and makes me wonder how they go through life day to day.
Facts
Except the police aren't accomplishing ANYTHING, and the entertainers are. If it's not profitable it won't work. Welcome to capitalism.
The part about child sexual abuse being perpetrated by other kids... blew my mind, because it's something I don't even consider now as an adult and yet looking back at my childhood, can 100% confirm having seen fellow kids/teenagers do stuff ranging from silly, to stupid to ..'harmful sexual behaviors'. You may not have seen stuff personally, but you've heard about stuff because kids talk. Kids genuinely have no clue, more so when they're not taught about boundaries, consent, or even how their bodies work. Seems like something more sex education, awareness, gender studies, etc can help with, and yet we have people arguing for ...less of this.
I was sa’d by my daycare lady’s son who was just under 2 years older than me so yeah I appreciate that you’re able to recognize that it does happen
I was almost r-ped by a friend who claimed to be younger than me, that and the fact that we were both Small Girls TM is one of the main reasons why I couldn't really tell anyone
My friend recently opened up about being sa'd by a 12 year old friend at 7, children should be taught about the gravity and language of these things to help prevent these scenarios
Every time i learn anything about the 80s i just think "Damn son leaded gasoline for decades fucked people all up"
Except Ian Mackaye. He's the exception. Bro is a legend.
@@AnarchoPunkChadleave it to Based Anarcho Syndicalist Chad to bring Ian McKaye into things at the mere mention of the 80s
I know you're joking but it's 10000% true. Lead in their toys as kids too. It was everywhere. Gen X and Boomers are liquid brain anymore.
@@user-ze7sj4qy6q
It's just what I do🙏
@@user-ze7sj4qy6q
It's just what I do💪😤
just about the beginning part, one of the few good things my gradeschool ever did was, starting in KINDERGARTEN, something called 'safe touch'. instead of just going whole-hog on the 'dont get into the van that says 'free candy'' narrative, they actually sat us down and told us if ANYONE, including our parents, including our relatives, was interacting with us in a way that we didnt like, to be loud and obnoxious and get attention and tell a trusted adult, including if that adult was the teacher. they really emphasized that its the right thing to do, even if its someone we know- ESPECIALLY if its someone we know. of course we were also told about stranger danger, but they actually spent a decent amount of time on Safe Touch specifically, and I really appreciated it.
I have to take a break from this video because I was molested at ages 7-8 by someone who was 10-11 and it was 100% vicious and done with the intent to dominate and humiliate me. I hesitate to bring up that my worst predator was also a child because I don’t want it dismissed as “experimenting” or somehow innocent and misguided.
I do believe that growing up in rape culture can lead to unintentional damage but I don’t think of that as abuse. Abuse is intentional and cruel and while I hold compassion for the child who hurt me, I don’t excuse it. She wasn’t dumb. She was smart and savvy and it’s AMAZING how many tactics she used on me that full-on cult leaders use on their victims.
It was incredible and also incredibly sad to see how much rage a ten-year-old child can bottle up and then unleash. Just how unprotected SHE was boggles my mind. Also, I don’t think it did her any favors for people to dismiss her capacity for evil because she was small and cute.
Genuine question, what do you think should have been done to her for what she did to you? I won't argue, I am just curious.
i get you. when i brought up my own child sexual abuse by older boys (also minors) to my therapist she excused it by calling it juvenile curiosity and "playing". victims of minor predators aren't taken seriously unfortunately because these cases are more complex and people usually stop at "kids don't know what they're doing".
i feel like i have to censor my own experiences to be taken seriously because people are uncomfortable thinking about minors committing acts of sexual violence. i'm sorry you have to deal with this shit too.
Child offenders need to be taken seriously, the reason for low recidivism among those that are caught is because those kids are supported out of that behavior. Also, since so many child perpetrators have shit going on in their lives, I'm sure it would adult abusers or neglect going on
@@mudnarchist I think enough was done TO her. I think that she should have been a) moved to a safe location and b) gotten some counseling. She lived in a world where anything could be done to her and she could do anything to anyone without any consequences. That’s a terrifying world to live in for a kid. For me, I was in that situation temporarily and I had a mom who, despite her flaws, wouldn’t have allowed herself to “not know” about my abuse. And she wouldn’t let me get away with hurting other people either. Honestly, at that age, just being called out is incredibly effective. To have it verbally acknowledged that it’s not okay for that to happen to you or for you to do that to other people. Something that simple would have changed her entire world view.
@@pory-z Yeah, you can call it play and experimentation when it’s consensual, not coercive. When consent is denied or not optional, that’s abuse. I hate that you went through that too.
I recall a lesson my dad once taught me when I was younger where he showed me a picture of a greasy-looking fat-guy and a handsome clean-shaven man and asked me, "One of these is a pedophile, who do you think society will assume to be the pedophile?" And when I pointed to the fat guy he asked, "Now, why do you think that is? It's because he's ugly. If he assaults a young girl, then it's child-rape, clearly and he must be punished. But if it's done by the handsome man, then it's 'consensual' sex and she should be 'lucky' to have such a man in her life and we shouldn't ruin his life over something like this."
That lesson has stuck with me ever since and it's sad how true it is.
kids really do absorb the biases of society
sadly this is even more true with the genders reversed. Female teacher abuses a male student? The news calls her a "cougar", and everyone calls the kid "lucky"
What a load of shit by your dad. Its MEN that get told they should be lucky to have a.woman want them so bad that they're a full on creep towards him. NOT women
this is especially true when it's a young boy and an adult woman. most often when i hear men talk about how they were violated as kids or teens by an older woman they say that the friends they confided with and even adults told them how lucky they were to be "taught" by someone with more experience. it's disgusting in either case
Yup, it’s because society has this logic that dudes who look like me have no chance with women at all. Oh well.
The fact is, everyone thinks of offenders as easy to see, easy to detect, and obvious to avoid due to stereotypes mentioned in this video. But when I told my family who SA ed me from kindergarten through early middle school, they were shocked. Because it was my grandmother. My mom’s mom, literally the person my mother should be able to trust the most to protect her baby girl. I wasn’t taken by a stranger in the middle of the night. I was made to “play a game” with my lovely, sweet, elderly Christian woman with her in the bath. I was too young to understand what was really happening, and I wasn’t taught anything about sex outside of “don’t touch yourself or the devil will get you” and “don’t have sex till marriage.”
We didn’t even figure it all out until after she died.
Religious indoctrination but Christianity especially has had dire consequences when it comes to multigenerational trauma and people being basically gaslit into believing that they don’t have bodily autonomy. It’s sick.
@@catpoke9557 do u want gay sex Ed to be taught too? Don’t be a homophobe
@@catpoke9557 Do you think gay sex Ed should be taught to them too?
@@Dolphinboi sex ed mainly covers consent and disease prevention. nowadays they keep it pretty neutral regarding sexual orientation.
@@DolphinboiI think you're mixing up the word gay with a different one that starts with a p and ends -phile. Where I come from, gay or straight, sex ex is taught that you should be wearing condoms and using a second method of birth control if you're having sex with a person of the opposite gender. It didn't specifically say anything about gender of partners in the class except where anatomically relevant, and that's how it sounds be. That also means the sex ed was as gay as it was straight, because sex is just sex and being safe or unsafe is not about gender.
46:52 “Jessie, we need to get that arrest warrant Jessie, we need to catch a predator Jessie!!”
The mention of that name really caught me off guard lmao
Man I have a lot more to say on this topic than TH-cam would allow, but as a Gen Z guy, I think pretty much *every single* girl I knew between ages of 10-15 got groomed on Kik, and tons of them got extorted. I know a lot of people talk about TikTok and IG, but the real one now is Discord. The servers are totally unmoderated and people of all ages hang out in video calls for several hours a day, and at any random time. I used to be in video game servers, and every single server has a story about a former mod who....isn't a mod anymore.
ur right about discord. the fact that u can edit msgs after u send them makes it so keeping evidence is really hard. i think most people who regularly use it have stories to tell about the shit that goes down
can vouch about discord mods, i used to moderate a fairly active roblox server on discord as a minor. i saw about the same amount horrific shit as my mom did during her CSAM identification training as a CBSA(canadian border security agency) officer. so many beheading videos and lolicon videos disguised as memes
One really huge aspect with discord is that when youre a little kid, so much of your time revolves around hanging out with your friends and playing video games, that the moderators have a lot more "authority" than parents realize. I got groomed on TeamSpeak and Skype playing games like Garry's Mod. It was a really bad problem back then, and when Discord came out, it basically combined TeamSpeak AND Skype into a social media that most adults have never even heard of.
Dont forget about Amino! Hell, I was litterally groomed on a minecraft server lmao
Does anyone remember saiko? That was FULL of preda
I’m editing this because this deserves much more than a snarky comment about how the world sucks. The amount of stranger danger messaging that has surrounded me all of my life has mixed in with my general paranoia to make it so all of my life I have been incredibly afraid of people and going to the bathroom in public. The rhetoric we use to talk about these things is disgusting and misleading and negatively effects every single one of us. Especially growing up as a woman all you hear is about how dangerous everything and everyone is except for the people around you who are the ones much more likely to abuse you. Instead of learning about consent and how to identify this behavior we are only taught to live in fear and hope we are not abused.
It's 100% intentional programming in the media so that boomers can diddle kids close to them more easily, too.
this!!
agreed
Exactly. And that same misconception is pervasive among police, too. It runs so deep, they basically don't fundamentally grasp the concept of consent between friends/colleagues/classmates/intimate partners.
They're especially blind to complex domestic SA abuse. And they aren't really listening if you try to explain it to them.
I had a step dad who repeatedly tried to convince police to open an investigation after his teenage daughter got assaulted by a young adult man. He scoured the neighborhood for months, and finally learned the man's home address. He knocked, the man's mom answered, and lied to his face for about twenty minutes. When she finally admitted that she did have a son, he matched the description, and he lived there with her. Then she vehemently insisted he moved to Walla Walla and slammed the door shut.
Step dad watched the dude enter the house. He knew he was there. Called the cops again, offered them an easy conviction with a little bow on it.
They patronized him a bit, but made it clear that they were never going to investigate.
The only meaningful response he ever managed to coax out of cops, was when they flat out blamed Him for it. Basically said he should have made different choices as a father, or been psychic, or a paranoid totalitarian.
Imagine looking a distraught father in the eyes, and telling him his kid's PTSD is on him.
The perp had spent months gaining the households trust. He was a family friend. That's why the cops couldn't recognize the crisis or the crime.
@@frostydei5012Cops are so hatable it's amazing.
this episode of skip intro was made for me! I work as a family advocate, interacting with and helping the families of both the CSA victim children and child perpetrators. I'm so glad you talked about this - I've been at my child advocacy center for going on 2 years and I've only seen one case of an unknown assailant, and even then - it was ENTIRELY opportunistic. Every. Single. Other. Child - they knew the person who hurt them. 1 kid in almost 2 years, and at a center seeing nearly 1200 kids each year.
I appreciate your diligence! Thanks for the great video.
thank you for your hard work! 💜
Were there a lot of child perpetrators? Cos the video said 50-75% of cases were and that seems too high
@doopydarp1027 I don't think that number is far off at all. I think people underestimate the ways kids and teens, even unintentionally, can sexually traumatize each other. Siblings exploring and playing house or doctor. An abused child who thought the CSA they experienced was normal, trying to connect to other kids. Teens who haven't received any kind of sex Ed or consent talks. Angry hormonal kids with nowhere to put their energy. Lonely or neglected kids who are trying to find connection, but haven't had education or healthy relationships modeled.
Its very common for me to work several cases of CSA in a row which are all child on child.
@@samjean3007you're awesome thank you for your hard work 😊
@Chuck_EL genuinely it's my pleasure!! Love what I do so much
As somebody who was exclusively groomed online, I came across tens of adults conscious about my age who would engage sexually with me and ask for explicit photos and videos. I know friends who are the same. It’s not a shocking statistic.
yeah, idk what the guy is on about
you can go in many discord servers and give a vague inkling that you might be underaged. then suddenly your dms have 3-4 nonces with anime or trans flag avatars trying to get you on voice. its definitely gotten worse.
The amount people think I’m okay with CSA because I talk about prevention before the crime is committed is so so tiring.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
Depends on what you consider to be prevention, like monitoring what people are wearing.
What exactly do you mean by "preventing"? Please don't tell me you're victim blaming children or advocating for a sexual police state...
@@jazmineraymond7495Literally no reasonable and intelligent person would think that policing attire is a form of csa prevention 😂??? Clearly education and awareness is what they are referring to.
idk I might have read that wrong
@PunishedFelix prevention as in educating people on things like how to interact with others online. How to know if someone is trying to grooʻm you. How parents can better check in on their kids. Signs of sa. Etc.
Theres more to prevention and not what youre thinking of lol to ease ur anxiety
To Catch a Predator may be gone but thank god we have TH-cam predator catchers now! These guys definitely care about the children and are not at all clout chasing influencers! Hell, I remember a few years back in the brony fandom there was this group of self-proclaimed pedo hunters who thought they were on some hind of crusade to purge the brony fandom of predators......until the group fell apart becasue half the members turned out to be grooming kids themselves.
Is this Sarchasm?
@@Sejikan The first part is, op doesn't think youtubers are a good substitute for real investigations.
@@dudeist_priest That's what i was thinking but i wasn't sure
There are several such groups in Colorado. I can’t believe it’s legal!
Half of those groups are filled with self hating preds themselves
Bruh the internet security at my high school was so bad that a dude actually put Halo Combat Evolved on every computer at the same time and we could all play together if the teachers weren't looking. He was crazy shotout Landon H
This also happened at my high school. Every windows Computer had Halo CE
@@SimisearOfficialmy school was pretty cool and we had a publicly available folder with a bunch of games in it.
@@demetriousramirez Same, but instead of a publicly available folder we just asked each other to send game roms to our school profiles. Everyone had a Genesis and/or NES/SNES emulator on their profiles they could fire up as soon as they logged in. XD
Some computers here in Brazil still have horrid security, but now its roblox everywhere rather than doom or halo ce
@dillonsturm5343 same thing happened in my high school in 2001, but with the first Half-Life game
I think the biggest issue is that kids are denied any sort of consent or sex education. I was victimized for several years before I even knew what he was doing to me and that it was wrong.
Thank Republicans for that.
If you go back in the list of moral panics far enough, chess is on there.
Google en passant
Don't know about chess, but off the top of my head in roughly reverse chronological order (some overlap):
- The Groomers (political version)
- Online predators.
- Violent video games.
- Online porn.
- Gangsta Rap
- Video nasties.
- Offline porn.
- The Satanic Panic.
- Rock n Roll
- Second Red Scare
- Comic books
- Gay panic
- First Red Scare
- Penny Dreadfuls
- Masturbation panic
- Literal witchhunts.
- Several centuries of Catholics and Protestants taking turns trying to kill each other.
@@vylbird8014 are tabletop role-playing games like Dungeons and Dragons qualifying under Satanic Panic? I know it's associated with the time
@@GDMendezWrites Yes, that was part of the Satanic Panic. Games with magic and demons in? Obvious Satanism there.
@@SupremeFenix274 I came across that 1850s newspaper article sometime back. The way the dude writes about chess screams "skill issue"
A thing I often rant about as a Social Service Worker in Canada is how we have no interventions for people with predilections to exploit children. Our system just like the US waits until a child is harmed. We need a way to discuss these issues and provide interventions.
You know there is no fixing them.
@@AboveAverageGamer1 that is not true. There are people with those desires that have never offended there is a whole documentary about it called “I pedophile”
@@Nexibis never offended is different from having offended
Their lives are basically over with after
@@chandlerburse So then you agree, we need interventions before a child is harmed. Like did you not read my comment?
@@Nexibis considering how poor this comment section has been i expected less
In the US, we only pretend to care about children under one scenario.
Exactly! We have the highest child mortality rate in the developed world, and then we make a big show about protecting our kids by punishing perps to the full extent of the law and putting them on useless registries that almost not other country in the world uses.
@@76678-mhighest child mortality rate?
@@KingNerdiusin the developed world. Yes.
@@76678-m that’s not a real stat
Who's "we"? Speak for yourself.
As a victim of COCSA… I’ve been told by everyone but my therapist that “that’s normal. You’re just experimenting” and that tells me A LOT about how common it is.
it's a startling realization that CSA isn't always a creepy stranger touching kids, it's also when a 17 year old is groped by an adult man who you thought liked you :(
sorry :/ i hope that 17yo is okay and healing
@@glowa-q9b i’m 25 and doing a lot better now🩷🩷
I was a victim of CSA at 15 by a 14 year old, and I was nowhere near his first victim… it is very common from personal experience that kids are offenders very often
Judging by your pfp, it seemed like you wanted it at the time Lol
@@UniqueHandlesBaiting is a tell that you're desperate for the attention your parents didn't give you. What's it like to be the equivalent to a teenage girl posting her cuts on Tumblr? Are you proud of who you've grown up to be. Attention whoring as a hobby is pretty sad lol.
@UniqueHandles what a sad life you must lead in real life to rage bait people on TH-cam by supporting CSA and defending predators
I remember when I was around 15, my friend told me one of our friend was forcing oral on girls our age. Teens can be so fucked. I was never a victim, but the biggest creeps I met were around 16-17. I feel like at that age you cant say that they dont know better.
Stay strong, lots of love
as a survivor i'm of the belief CSA doesn't happen because people are attracted to children, but because they have power over a child
It depends. There are PDF files and there are predators. Some PDF files are predators, not all predators are PDF files. And that distinction probably does matter when figuring out how to stop CSA. Treatment for PDF files won't help stopping predators, for example.
yup. that's typically the case with sex crimes.
i'm sorry that happened to you.
Capitalism, 'ever-increasing' productivity, and a deeply ungratifying sexual and romantic marketplace post-globalism leading to a lost for the sexual outlet and power/dominance would probably be the root causes. When nobody wants them, they force themselves upon those who can't refuse.
David finkelhor's book child sex abuse covers some stats on this
Yeah it bothers me how every time CSA is discussed, everyone seems to assume it happened because the perpetrator is attracted to children. This definitely happens, but a lot of cases are opportunistic predators looking to victimise an easy target. It doesn't have to be about attraction. SA is mainly about power and control. See also assault of vulnerable elderly people.
I can't express how much this video has helped me heal on so many levels. The more I watch, the more I learn about myself and how to address my fears. Wild. Great work
Incredible that your comfort object in the opening therapy scene is your 100k plaque.
I think what Ryan Shields says is critically important, and it also echoed in The Morbid Zoo's takedown of The Sound of Freedom: we wait for the harm to occur before we do something. Conservatives care more about justice porn than they do about protecting anybody.
Morbid zoo mention!!
Morbid Zoo is one of my favorite channels. She makes great shit.
Worse than that--we don't just wait for harm to occur before doing something, some people actively look for ways to inflict harm in the name of "preventing" harm. One of the things that drives me up the wall on this topic is the way some people act around vent art--targeting and harassing _victims of abuse_ because those victims aren't coping the way that "normal" people should, so obviously they must be abusers. Not to mention shit like right-wingers weaponizing the disgust at CSA by claiming that LGBT people are all abusers.
Add to that the problem of trying to _prove_ what harm happened, and the general misinformation around what abuse looks like, and the consequences of failure (both by failing to catch a predator, and by falsely identifying someone as a predator), and...yeah, it's a mess.
@@TehNoobiness It also reminds me of legislation that passes under the guise of problem-solving but actually makes things worse, like SESTA and FOSTA.
@@mudnarchist and not shocking Tim Ballard was a sex trafficking predator himself
There's just something about seeing a bunch of kids screaming; 'and it's probably A-Minorrrrrrrrr' that is just absolutely priceless. It's almost enough to make you feel bad for Drake, but not really.
eh, he's a millionaire.
I feel like if this wasn't an election year, this would still be seen as the biggest deal
He takes underground rappers on their come up and locks them in bad contracts forcing them to ghost write for him.
He ain't shit.
@@Veltrosstho We don't call it the "OVO sweatshop" for nothing
Lol😂
Out of the whole 10 years of my life I've been online, including the VERY dark sides of twitter, posting my face there and having a pretty large following, I've been contacted only twice by predators. I've sought them out myself twice. I feel like many minors now are aware of the dangers and know what to look out for, and with how easy it is to just completely block someone, you'll ever rarely hear from a predator again after curating your space and being smart about what you post.
Not to mention the fact that many, many, predators online are completely upfront about it now, asking for pictures and inappropriate things right off the bat where most healthy kids will just think "gross" before blocking. The real predators are the people you are closest to.
One of the greatest factors in preventing grooming and csa is to give your kids a loving home on top of educating.
I have such a huge issue with these “predator hunting” channels and shows. Those channels don’t have a professional backing, they NEVER call the cops, they just physically attack and shove the predator around on video and curse him out and then he walks free. It’s never been about protecting kids. It’s about being able to beat up someone that society deems as worthless and earn money at the same time. It’s SICK.
What about Omma and his buddies?
This is unequivocally false. All the ones on TH-cam call the cops or report them
Not any I watch.. Trilogy Media and Skeet Hanson (as in related) these guys always have police on standby and never lay hands on them. There are some really good people out there trying to keep kids safe. Yeah, there are some not handling it the best- but better the likely pred than a child, no?
@@V6HAVOCas well as Trilogy Media and Skeet Hanson! There's good people out there yet
peds are worthless tho wym 💀
when I was 15-16, I had joined public discord servers trying to make friends and would get 1-2 creeps a month trying to message me, usually opening with asking for pictures. I would block them after the first message and I don’t consider myself a victim of csa but I think there is a large downplay of how creepy people can be online.
I dont agree, yes, gross people are common online, but what the video is talking about is continued CSA, not just a few creeps talking to you once and then blocking them, I was myself a victim of several older guys which whom I sent pictures and had sexually explicit conversations for several years on instagram, I think thats what the video is more talking about
Yeah Discord is one you need to watch out for. It’s a bad idea to use a pic of your face as your pfp on there, man or woman
@@anon2427I do think that the newer demand for people to be less anonymous online makes people more vulnerable to predators. You have minors posting photos of themselves at identifiable locations around town instead of being told to never say where they live online. I was allowed on a forum very young (and it saved my mental health when I was bullied and osracitized IRL) and my parents drilled the earlier internet safety stuff of being extremely private with your personal info into me. I came to the conclusion if I never told anyone I was a child, creeps wouldn't be interested in me (and I'd just say I was interested if e-dating style stuff came up) and I'd be safe. It worked, and I wonder if our current culture of everyone posting their faces is bad for this reason
As a totally clueless 13 year old boy, I was sexually harassed for months by another kid in my grade. In gym class, he’d very obviously watch me as I changed into my gym clothes, and worse of all, for some reason, felt the need to “firmly grasp” my rear end anytime he walked past. I told him so many times to stop, but he didn’t. I even went as far as to turn away and press my back against my gym locker, but he’d turn me around and do it anyway. I got so fed up with it that I told my mom who immediately went to my gym teacher and told her to get him to cut it out. The next day, she pulled him aside, and the campus officer walked him out. I never saw him after that. I also totally forgot that even happened until just now. Dang.
Oh lord this just gets worse and worse... it's like Skip Intro is defending the perverts who meet kids for you know what.
Skippy literally criticizes Dateline for using "shame" on the would-be child abusers. He criticizes them for Shaming the perverts!
Skip intro also spends time criticizing the sex offender registry. Just Wow.
Yea this guy needs his hard drive checked..
Silliest, most pedantic comment about your video: The clip you show when talking about Jazz is depicting Balboa and not Charleston. This is not a real criticism, but it gave me an excuse to use my knowledge of swing dancing. lol
I appreciate pedantic corrections personally, so thanks for that (I've been researching swing dancing lately lol).
Call it engagement for the algorithm so more people can see it.
My youngest would yell, "My body, my choice." Whenever an adult tried to hug them, touch them, pick them up without consent. Called her my little consent queen. My parents would force me to sit in the lap of men (often family) with erect!ons. Yeah i made sure my kids had ownership over their own bodies. I'm 47 and can still feel every moment my parents took away my autonomy and forced trauma onto me. The pain ripples are endless. Children remember.
You're good for providing safety for your children that way, I hope you feel safer now too.
What the heck 😢
Not gonna lie you're raising a brat. Imagine being the annoying family member that screams "MY BODY MY CHOICE" whenever a cousin or uncle or grandparents comes over and go in for a hug. Teach them boundaries but don't teach her to be an unlikable person with a victim mentality
@@NateS917 womp winp
@@NateS917
That is the most hilarious jump to conclusion you could have possibly made. You don't have anywhere near enough context to deduce this person's kid was being raised as a brat, yet here you are immediately jumping on the assumption that they were, because you completely lack the ability of critical thinking, and it is marvellous to witness.
>"They didn't specifically mention their kid is being raised as a decent person, therefore they must be raising them to weaponise consent!" What a riot lmao
Thank you for the good laugh. I mean that genuinely.
These youtube pedophile hunter channels are extremely disturbing. Disliking these tactics does not mean you don't want pedophiles caught but this can't be a good way to do it.
Agreed
Exactly! I say anything bad about DAP, Skeet Hansen, or any of the other pred catcher TH-cam shows, or dare criticize any of the useless tactics our justice system uses to address CSA (punitive prisons, the registry, etc.) and people treat me like I’m Larry Nassar. Pred catcher shows do nothing to protect the innocent (ironic considering that’s the name of one of their channels). Often they don’t know how to properly gather evidence or they commit crimes against the perps (e.g., by assaulting them), and courts end up letting them go. DA’s also will refuse to take the cases of perps caught these catchers.
They’re incredibly ineffective, and when people are doing it in the name of God - like the one mentioned in this video - it becomes disturbing.
@@76678-m they're pushing the same "isolated loner" false narratives as those before them
19:22 I'm glad he pointed out the clear racist undertones to this fear mongering
Sounds like something a pedo would say… ;)
(I’m kidding, and I agree with you).
Oh god not the microphone + stare at the camera bread tuber combo
Love how when I was younger internet safety was stuff like "Never give your personal info, don't talk to strangers online, use an alias on social websites", but then companies realized they could sell your personal info.
Also; Back in middle/high school one of my teachers was a pedo, VERY OBIOUSLY too, but he got away with it for so long until he worked at the high school where kids were more aware of his odd behavior. He got fired for screaming at a child to off-themselves and was later convicted of his pedo crimes, I felt bad for his inner group because my sister was friends with one and watched him slowly getting groomed and isolated. Nobody did anything.
My two cousins were molested by another cousin but his Dad was a cop so needless to say nothing was ever done about it.
The child being put on the registry for pantsing someone is fucking crazy
There's a guy in my city who got 3 years in prison and a lifetime of sex offender registration because he asked a girl 2 years younger than him for nudes. He technically DID break the law but that shit pissed me off so much. He's not a fucking child pornographer.
I thought it was bad enough adult men drunkenly pissing on the street and getting indecent exposure charges that get them on the registry was bad enough, then I learned that and whew...
@@mudnarchisti know a guy that got that from peeing in public at night
You end up on the registry in some states just for urinating in public, regardless of intent. Homeless and someone sees you peeing next to a dumpster because you've got no other choice? Welcome to the registry in CT
@@AModernRogue Just being homeless is enough to get you arrested these days.
I just wanna say, as a trans person, when I was a kid on AOL Instant Messenger in the early aughts, not knowing anything about transgender healthcare and the trans community almost led me to being sexually assaulted. I met someone online who was purportedly a few years older than me (but still sub-eighteen allegedly) who was kinda sexually explicit in their language, and they tried to get me to meet them by claiming they could get me hormones. If I had known anything about trans healthcare at the time, I would have known that's probably not possible and bullshit. So, trying to ban queer language from children is potentially inciting the same harm they are supposedly trying to prevent...
Whenever he (forgot his name, the guy that you were talking with) brought up how people often forget/don't think of children being the perpetrator... Yup. I was one such kid... 7 years old at the time, and my 12 year old stepbrother... yup. I wish more people would realize that sometimes, it's other kids causing harm to a child.
Edit: just realized I'm getting triggered (like in the ptsd sense of the word), so might come back and watch later, I'm not sure. I appreciate you spreading the word about this stuff.
Take care of your brain, this will be here when you are ready
Take care!
I didn't know it was possible to fail at being a step-brother, but he found a way I guess.
My sincere advice is when your triggered from this stuff I found what helped me the best way literally was having a trusted person I could speak to and talk to them about the subject and I personally made myself confront the stuff that triggered me with them
My sincere advice is when your triggered from this stuff I found what helped me the best way literally was having a trusted person I could speak to and talk to them about the subject and I personally made myself confront the stuff that triggered me with them
babe wake up, new skip intro copaganda video just dropped
I can only imagine their disappointment when they saw how weak this episode is.
How is this copaganda if he hates cops
@@jamesrosewell9081 i'm saying it's a new skip intro video on copaganda, not the video being copaganda itself
@@jamesrosewell9081omg you lack literacy and reading comprehension
I was genuinely confused if this was criticizing criticism of police for a bit
I've been listening while im driving. I just gotta say that the point you made about the decoys behaving in "not innocent" ways is weird? Correct me if im wrong but to the creeps in the chat they believe they're talking to children. It doesnt matter how suggestive the decoys are being. Any adult who is responsible would disengage.
Literally most decoys would respond with "ok" in the chat logs when the predators would call them pretty or sexy or whatever they had to say. Like almost completely neutral.
It matters less for "moral" reasons and morso for legal reasons. If the decoys were goading the targets on, an entrapment defense would be more likely to be successful.
They also give their age right away in most cases. Some make it incredibly obvious they're still in middle school.
@@happycamperds9917this is whats important- while theyre still creeps for talking with who they believe is a child, these cases have to be handled very carefully, as certain tactics can unfortunately blur the legality of things and make a case for the creep being goaded in. obviously no one will be goaded by a child who isnt already thinking about such acts to some degree, but methods have to be careful as to not allow that wriggle room for such a defense, thus criticism of how the decoys respond is important
@@DDNEV it’s because this Walmart version of Needledrop is obviously trying to make the case of “tcap is mainly for the entertainment and to entrap” it also does not help that he goes on a 5 minute long anti-police tangent. He’s a typical “ACAB” twitter user.
You've got to breakdown Criminal Minds!
Every episode places another marginal group as a "potential serial killer" , and early on they even acknowledge that most of this is "suburban fiction".
I got followed home by two different creeps before the age of 12 at two different houses. Police didn’t do shit- having my older siblings there to form a safety in numbers did. Being stalked as a child really does a number on your view of the world- and I won’t hesitate in saying that poverty was the main cause to put me in the path of dangerous people.
I’m not even sure if it counts as CSA even though I was followed home by a van full of games and candy-found out about it after the arrest no way I ever let myself be close enough to see in person.
Hey, I work with childhood SA survivors, and while I think most of this video is good, one thing I would edit/think about - saying if an adult is being “pressured” by a kid and therefore does something with SA it’s kinda understandable or not as much the adults’ fault is…not a great message tbh. I know that’s not what you’re intending, but saying it’s equivalent to entrapment is kinda…questionable. I’m not particularly sympathetic to the idea that the kid didn’t seem as “innocent” and therefore the adult’s actions were less despicable. Like, I get and empathize with the point of the video, but the discussion section around the 30 minute mark isn’t great. It implies or outright states that the adults coming aren’t as responsible because the people they thought were kids were being more knowledgeable or suggestive than one would expect. That shouldn’t matter. I’m sorry but that bit is not having great implications to survivors and is relieving people of responsibility for their actions in some pretty awful behavior.
(I hope this came across as respectful and clear).
i see where you're coming from, but i think its also important to point out how the language the decoys use could cause the case to be thrown out because of entrapment
@@runninggeese Especially if they throw out the number "14" once and then act like an adult for the rest of the chat. It's a little eh... idk
@@runninggeese "Could" and *did* are two different things. *Did* any of the charges get dropped because of entrapment? If so, then a discussion can be had. If not, your pondering is worthless.
@@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor Did you watch the video? The answer is yes there was a case thrown out for entrapment.
@@CharlieHolmesT Yes I watched the video, forgive me for not remembering every exact detail. If one got thrown out, then we figure out what set it apart from the others.
I'm not super far into the video yet but the idea of a specific image of a predator has got me thinking about how almost all the statutory rapists I've encountered or known of in real life haven't been old gross basement dwellers they have been guys in their mid 20s, often physically attractive and very social with a pattern of grooming younger teenage girls into abusive situations and these types of people rarely face criminal consequences because society isn't as sympathetic towards girls post puberty who have "willingly" entered into an age gap relationship even though they are literal minorssss
And yeah, actually people as strangers online DO do this to kids. There's evidence it happens on Discord a lot. It happens on TikTok. It does happen.
Just because a) cops are sketchy as a whole, b) this show could be considered copaganda, c) this show was maybe not the best way to target this issue doesn't mean that sexual DMs with a Minor on Discord is not STILL a form of CSA. SkipPlay is simply wrong that it's "not common". In fact I know many friends this sort of grooming happened to. Assault is assault, it doesn't need to be physical, and every single one of these offenders DESERVED to be named and shamed.
[[Insert Jeremy Clarkson "Oh no... Anyway!" Meme]]
"society isn't as sympathetic towards girls post puberty who have "willingly" entered into an age gap relationship even though they are literal minorssss"
This is very true. We remorselessly toss their boyfriends into prison despite their protests and force them into "therapy" with someone who makes a living off of gaslighting them into thinking that they were abused just because they're under 18. My cousin started dating her now husband when she was 14 and he 26. My mom and all her friends dated guys in their 20's all through high school. This kind of thing is normal human behavior. It is our society's modern interpretation of it that is abnormal. and harmful.
@@PeterCaldwell-y4e14 and 26 is absolutely insane dude what
@@ashyy6819 No, it's not. This kind of relationship pattern has been the norm for countless societies throughout history without anyone finding anything wrong with it. Even today, several countries have an AoC of 14, even 12 in about half of Mexico, without anyone finding anything wrong with it.
Modern America (and to a lesser extent modern western civilization) has the most deviant sociosexual norms of any society to ever exist; I wouldn't put much stock into whatever Americans count as "normal."
So the media shouldn't do anything. The police shouldn't do anything. Who or what should then? Not trying to be mean or anything, just trying to understand where this going.
I bet his answer would be to vote Harris/Waltz because they have a plan for that.
i really think his presentation needs some work but what he's saying is that To catch a predator was doing this in the worst possible way. the media can talk about this, but they were sensationalizing it. the police SHOULD enforce it, but they shouldnt work WITH the media to do it.
@@woffyreal Wholeheartedly agree with your words, yes. That's really how it should be, yes.
Remember that time the police arrested prince andrew
oh
Yeah, that was right after they arrested Jimmy Savile
Oh...
I can't remember if you mentioned this, but in terms of CSA, a lot of abusers aren't even pedophiles. They're abusing children not out of some mental attraction issue, but becuase they want to abuse their power over someone who cannot effectively resist or complain.
Yeah, "anger" rapists I believe they're called.
@@mudnarchist that's redundant. Rape is always about power.
@@carlosa4852 I see this axiom being presented a ton around this topic but I've never particularly understood where it comes from and what it means in a practical sense, do you mind elaborating on it?
(Genuine question from someone who isn't particularly well educated on this sort of topic and doesn't have any practical use for sexuality and the like irl, not dismissing it in case it comes off like that otherwise)
@@ungrave5231 You mean where rape is more about power? Try google maybe? You're not going to get a good answer in a youtube comment.
P3dophilia is not a mental health issue. It lines with more common s3xual orientations. "Studies also report pathological symptoms or personality disorders as important correlations with s3xual offending (Cohen et al., 2002; Gerwinn et al., 2018; Neutze, Seto, Schaefer, Mundt, & Beier, 2010). Overall, these point to other concrete factors as predictors of s3xual offenses against children than minor attraction itself (Massau et al., 2017; Mitchell & Galupo, 2015)."
Here is the other info: "What is certain is that minor attraction follows a developmental arc similar to the more common s3xual orientations: It is stable, often realized before or during puberty, and encompasses a clear preference in s3xual and/or romantic partners for each individual (Seto, 2012). Many MAPs become aware of their attraction before they are fifteen years of age (Seto, 2012; Tozdan & Briken, 2015; Houtepen, Sijtsema, & Bogaerts, 2015; B4U-ACT-Act, 2011)."
And "It is consistently demonstrated, however, that impulsivity and aggression commonly observed in persons convicted of s3x crimes are not intrinsic to minor-attracted persons (Mitchell & Galupo, 2015; Kärgel et al., 2016; Massau et al., 2017; Schiffer et al., 2017; Gerwinn et al., 2018)."
One more, again for others: "Studies of personality characteristics on average find low levels of aggression among p3dophiles. Other than the attraction itself, studies fail to find any abnormal or pathological characteristics (Sandfort, 1987; Okami & Goldberg, 1992; Goudreault, 2017)."
Ppl interested can search and read more via "B4U-ACT’s Summary of MAP Research". Thank you.
thank you so much for having a section about cocsa. its something so overlooked i often dont even feel like i have a place in discussions about csa at all despite having literally been assaulted as a kid
aboslutely no reason for this video to be an hour and a half long
u dum u watch he sell ads u lose he get pay
How could you possibly cover the same grounds of evidence, expert opinions, statistics, and broad argumentation in significantly less time?
One of the most important thing this video asks is how we can shift the conversation from punishment of perpetrators to prevention of abuse to begin. While both are important, the former is focused on acting only after harm has been done. The latter is much harder to explore because prevention neccistates understanding why and how abuse happens.
In the same way that criminal investigation and profiling required us to understand what made a criminal mind and what motivated it, we must apply the same logic here. The best way to prevent child abuse is to, as a society, understand how and why it happens. Satanic Panic 2.0 is not enforcing justice in the way that we want it to be.
With a conversation that has stakes like this, there are no winners or losers, only victims.
It doesn't help that there's very few people actually interested in prevention. People are becoming increasingly aware of the kinds of things cops do to make criminal investigations have a "happy ending" for the cops, regardless of how accurate or correct the end result is, and random people on the internet aren't much better. It's frustrating.
@@TehNoobiness Germany has a nice thing where people who are thinking about abusing children like that can call and get a specialized therapist to help them deal with those urges. I fear proposing such a thing in the USA is social suicide, even though it would help save a child.
They not ready for that prevention conversation. Easiest thing to do would be rehabilitation or places they can go. But people are to vindictive. They rather wait until it happens to got outraged
@@zero1188 Which is infuriating.
@@zero1188its interesting how strongly some folks react to the concept of 'prevention' with this topic'. i understand that vindictive feeling, wanting those who hurt others to face retribution in some way, but that being the main focus only allows harm to continue until it gets recognized. this wasnt a sexual case, but i was abused by my sister, and after a lot of time in therapy of my own and years to digest everything, my take has become 'i wish she couldve gotten therapy before all this'. she still hurt me, and believing there couldve been something done to prevent that isnt an excuse, but some folks dont seem to understand that, and jump to assuming that the belief is 'the perpetrator is a victim too, actually'. it cant always work, i cant say for absolute if therapy wouldve prevented her behavior, if to an extent to at all, but that possibility exists, and wishing it couldve happened isnt wrong or somehow detracts from how i was hurt
this reaction will differ per victim, it can change with time (i know there was certainly a point where i held much more vitriol towards her and had far less sympathy for how things happened for her prior to the abuse), but i think consideration towards the benefits of preventative measures is important. we cant just dog the bounty hunter our way outta predators existing, theres no secret monster gene we can just eliminate from the gene pool with enough prison sentences. its just that when damage is done that that gets more attention than the potential of someone to harm (at least on average, some folks are real keen on believing that getting rid of drag queens will make a substantial change to csa rates). violence garners more eyes and movement than all the numbers of people who couldve done such violence without help they got, and nuance as a whole is rarely considered in the face of horrors that certain people wish to make entertainment out of
"It puts a bad mark on every cop in this country" Yeah I think that's called a badge.
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you are so right
Not enough downvotes
Love your channel and this series! But I'm gonna be honest, you already knew this video was getting demonetized, you really didn't have to use the goo goo ga ga baby self censorship language. You're making a video where Child Sexual Assault is a forefront topic. Say pedophile. Say rape. The ability to say these words in the context of these issues is very important.
Yeah, I agree. I feel as if the language used in this video removes the gravity from this discussion.
Preach it loud and proud you incredibly correct individual.
AGREE! important topics need to be addressed head on. regardless.
blame youtube and also things like tiktok and the shorts format. Most youtubers take segments out of their videos to create shorts which is kind of a mandate by youtube, same shorts can be used on tiktok. Both have autobans or demonitization on these topics. Also blame advertisers and companies who demand the restrictions. Hell Only Fans was almost closed because banks refused to do business with them.
It's not just monetization, the video has to stay up
so sick of this entrapment argument. if a woman walks down the street with nothing but a bikini top and a thong is that entrapment for potential rapist? What if she laughs at a cat call, or goads the potential abuser in any way, then gets raped. Is that entrapment? because she in some way participated in the events that lead up to her assault? I have zero sympathy for anyone who goes out of their way to meet up with someone they believe is a minor, no matter how much they may have been pushed or "entraped." People who arent theives dont steal, no matter how many shiny gold bars they might see in a strangers house.
Idk theres a lot of stuff i agree with in here. like fuck the police, and the need for reframing the main focus of the conversation about csa on the higher probability instances like other children and family members/known adults. But a lot of this comes across as ethanisonline running defense for EDP.pdf people because conservatives are dumb (which tbf is true, but irrelevant to the conversation about child abuse imo)
Also no i dont feel bad for the guy that killed himself, not one bit. He wasnt some troubled teenager or child who got bullied and harassed into hating themselves and ending their life (arguably leaving the bullies at fault for their decision). He was a grown man, a public figure, and a creep who got outed, shamed, and backed into a corner who then took the cowardly wet scrotum way out because he couldnt face the consequences of his behavior (not the fault of dateline, even if they didnt handle the situation well at all). Weird that you try to make it out like they killed him, or that we're supposed to feel bad for him in any way.
"Perverted Justice" is great, I didn't realize that was the group's name. I love when groups accidentally tell on themselves in their name.
If i recall correctly, the Murphy PD did in fact find many instances of CP across multiple devices in Conradts house. Perhaps Chris and the police mishandled the situation, but it was was his decision to take his own life rather than answer for his crimes. The lawsuit from his sister makes it seem like she was unable to rationalize that her bother was secretly a monster.
Exactly, he was guilty as hell and his sister didn’t want to admit it.
That doesn’t change the fact that the way they went about it was wrong and done in the name of “entertainment” it wouldn’t matter if he had a whole server room full of material the fact that it was rushed to the point that the warrant probably wouldn’t even be valid with all its errors and that the TCAP people were there and pushed it to happen is the main point, the video isn’t trying to downplay what he did it’s showing how it was escalated in the name of views
@@kendallchaos the video does not just claim the arrest was executed poorly and hastily, which is a valid point, but posits that TCAP and the police were responsible for Conradts death, which is not true. He acted on his own accord and chose to die rather than admit to his evil secrets. Also, for the vast majority of TCAPs run, Hansen, NBC, and Perverted Justice operated in full accordance with the law and put hundreds of very guilty men behind bars. There was indeed entertainment to be gleaned from the show, but it was a journalistic pursuit that not only resulted in the real convictions I just mentioned but also brought awareness to an emerging dark side of the internet.
Nope. Dateline lied about that. Esquire reported that Conradt's Sony VAIO laptop was seized, and forensic analysis proved it was the computer from which Conradt chatted with the PJ volunteer, but it had no illegal material or content that indicated s3xual predation.
@@mikem7046 there were several more laptops, a cellphone, and CDs that were also seized and said to contain CP by local authorities. Regardless if this is true, just the conversation itself was an act of sexual predation and would have landed him in prison.
I am sick of people bringing up the death penalty. One ending himself to avoid consequences, or just accepting the act itself as a consequence, is not the death penalty. He took the easy way out. Nobody asked him to. He figured the punishment would be worse.
He would have known the exact penalties and crimes he would be charged with. If he killed himself, he knew that it was a different kind of punishment and clearly wanted death more than the truth,
Prison assaults and s offender registry and its requirements are worse, so he wanted out if that.
Basically an easy way out of accountability
@@Dave102693 Mike Tyson is a sex offender lol it's not always worse than death
This unlocked a core memory. My elementary school teacher would always rant and warn us about the dangers of the internet. These stories are the examples she used, she was watching to catch a predator! I was the last of my friends to get Facebook because of this
Anyone remember Roy Moore? The District Attorney who almost won the Senate seat in Alabama, on 2018, who was KNOWN to be dating children and was banned from the mall? The result was a Democratic senator winning the seat.
All the craziness around certain current conspiracy theories is built on this dramatic idea that predators are all online stalking strangers, and not figures with authority, like family members, cops, church figures.
You hit the nail on the head here 1:10:00.
And the phrase is, "a bad apple spoils the whole bunch", so one bad apple should not be an excuse for departments to avoid scrutiny. It's a justification for firing the police department, letting state police take over, and then restarting with applicants who pass a background check.
Roy Moore gets worse the more you look at him. He was removed from office for judicial misconduct because he ordered the state to ignore a supreme court ruling he personally disagreed with. Ran for office again, was re-elected, was removed for judicial misconduct for a second time for ignoring /another/ supreme court ruling he personally disagreed with, ran for senate, and finally lost only because of multiple accusations of sexual abuse - and even then was 48% of the vote.
The secret to his popularity? He is a very proud and outspoken Conservative Christian, in Alabama. His stunts, though unquestionably illegal to the point of misconduct, were also very popular with voters there. A lot of people in Alabama liked an official who had the confidence to say that any supreme court ruling which contradicts the bible is invalid and should be disregarded.
This reminds me of the Episode of George López. Max meets a girl online and George thinks it's a predator posing as a girl, only for the girl's dad to think the same thing about Max. Culminating in the dads arranging a meet up to catch the other one. A comedy of errors ensues.
What episode is this? I never watched it but I specifically now want to watch this episode
12:47 to be fair, I do think it's important not to dismiss someone just because they have schizophrenia, even though it's worth taking into account
Yeah that fucking bothered me.
Here here
if you actually look into the case it should absolutely be taken into account that this woman had schizophrenia
she wasn't nearly as dismissed as she should have been
“Acute” paranoid schizophrenia means that she is the worst case scenario with delusions like Tony Chase and is basically non-functional, and you can’t take anything she says as fact because she probably thinks the govt shoots her with satellite lasers.
Perverted Justice is such a bad name. I would love to hear the brainstorming session that came up with it.
I'm dying to talk about The Closer.. it's like they wanted to talk about problems with policing but got distracted by easy cop show tropes? And her love interest dude is made of red flags, but we're supposed to like him? And yet I can't stop watching? Help!!
I never thought of the husband being a red flag but now that u mention it…makes complete sense! I loved the closer!
The closer is a good one. I've had my same feelings about it upon rewatching the series.
I loved the first 4 seasons of that show.
But Brenda, who started out as a rather fun and endearing character (for a cop) became so toxic after a while and the latter seasons became so bleak that it became a slog to finish the series.
Also, what red flags did you see around Fritz? Most of his bad behavior came with the territory of him working as an FBI agent, and not from any deep character flaw that I noticed.
If anything, his recovering addict subplot was done pretty tastefully, if that's what you're referring to.
Im a victim of online sexual exploitation from the age of 11 to 15. I always feel like im not a real victim cause the csa.. didnt actually happen. And i did it on purpose. There should be information about how even if you want something, youre a child and theyre an adult. Its not okay and your brain will be broken when youre older :/
I feel so seen by this comment❤️
It did happen. It doesn't matter if you feel you did it on purpose, that's what grooming is all about. You were abused and I unfortunately know the feeling!
Australian here. I've never seen an episode!
And it's never been on Australian T.V.
But even though I live at the arse end of the World, I know, shit everyone down here knows what it is. What it does, what it means to "take a seat."
Kiwi living in Aussie here.
Do you think we know about it from clips or segments on 60 Minutes? The South Park episode? I ask because it's weird, you're right, everyone here knows what "take a seat" means, know the show without ever having seen it.
Great name btw. Frenzal!
Your comment on the John Stewart video from our man Skip was awesome. ✊
@@mattgilbert7347 we know all about irrelevant american pop culture because we're constantly bombarded with it.
having said that, i know about this show because of references to it online.
@@mj.l Gotcha. Happens by cultural osmosis.
I'm Australian and thought I had seen this show as a kid... Maybe late at night?
this video could have been 20 minutes
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so… let me get this straight. If you’re on the US sex offender registry, you can’t buy a house (in most areas), but you can be a cop?
You can buy a house as long as you aren't within your state's distance limit of a school, park, or religious institution. Most states have it 500 - 1000 feet away. Obviously this does nothing to stop the problem and is just a meaningless restriction. Some states are even dumber, and apply it retroactively. This means that you can be living in a house for 25 years, but they build a park next door, and you are forced to move.
@@mudnarchistsome states also bar you from living in proximity with children, which means apartment buildings are illegal too
Sort of about the house. It's a workaround. A lot of authorities - not just state, but at a more local level - really want to ban all sex offenders entirely. But they can't, because the offenders have actually served their sentence and been released - an outright ban would be constitutionally questionable, as it's imposing additional punishments that have not been handed down by a judge for a specific crime in accordance with law. Such an attempt would almost certainly be ruled unconstitutional. So instead states and cities will pass laws to 'protect children' that are intentionally impossible to comply with, in the hope that offenders will leave the area rather than meet some conditions that are by design unattainable or dangerous.
For example, there might be exclusion zones - a sex offender may not live or work within so many feet of a school, park, or religious institution. May also include other venues likely to attract children, like shopping centers or arcades. Or even (in Florida) school bus routes. But... how many churches does a typical US city have? How many schools? With a long enough radius, entire cities are blanketed by exclusion zones. Mission accomplished: The unwanted are driven away.
This lead to the infamous Julia Tuttle Causeway sex offender colony in Florida - an informal congregation of sex offenders living underneath a bridge, because it was the one spot in an area of multiple counties that wasn't within at least one exclusion zone. There was literally no-where else for them to live. Eventually it was closed down when Florida got decided something had to be done and started arresting them for illegal camping.
Another approach is requiring offenders inform every other resident within a certain radius, in person - go around to all their neighbours and explain, in person, "I'm a sex offender and I'm living down the road from you, here's my address." It puts the offender in an impossible situation: Either they do so and end up getting beaten to a pulp by a vigilantee mob, or they try to live quietly and get arrested. Again the intent is that the offenders do neither of these, but instead leave the area. But it's hard for them to leave when they will face the same problem anywhere else in the country.
@@vylbird8014I wish that the lawmakers would be honest about what the s offender registry means for them. I find this level of dishonesty annoying imo.
@@Dave102693 The US's system of government often pits different levels against each other, so you end up with oddly-formed laws like that. The state governments can be in direct opposition to the policies of the federal government, the city governments can be against the state, and all of them are trying to weasel their way around court rulings. So it's common to get such strange things as sanctuary cities, where the city has laws that prohibit police from enforcing certain federal laws. Or many state laws that tried to prohibit abortion indirectly, by making the procedure subject to regulations too stringent to practically meet - imposing unnecessary ultrasounds, requiring a full emergency surgical theater just to consume a pill, or requiring facilities adhere to bizarre building codes. And there's a whole mess of laws passed in the south after desegregation that were just intended to give the police an excuse to arrest any black people they wanted.
I liked the video overall but the section kinda-sorta justifying the sexting between adults and the Dateline chat actors is a little gross. An adult engaging in that sort of conversation with someone they believe is a child, and confirm as such even if as stated “they doubted the age gap”, is still gross as hell.
Rewatched that section around 35:30 and yeah I definitely agree that Perverted Justice encourages some weird behaviors from the volunteers, but there needs to be a whole heap of blame on adults who do not immediately reject sexual acts and sexting with someone who they know or believe to be a minor.
Yes! The idea that the fake 13 year olds bringing up not innocent topics means the predator was entrapped is disgusting. It means 13 year olds who do that are asking for it? If a 13 year old begs an adult man online to come f-them, it's okay because 13 year olds aren't supposed to talk like that?
i see where ur coming from, but i dont think the point was to justify. i think it was to show that perverted justice was doing sketchy business. would a predator have gone to the decoy house without being encouraged? maybe. but maybe not. and in the context of entrapment, that maybe not is important
eta: if a person is able to pushed or talked into inappropriate behaviors with a child, they are a bad person and are a predator. they are one horny teen away from being a rapist. but i think skip intro was talking about it from a legal standpoint
@@kkhook3 I see that, I just felt he let the perpetrators off light rhetorically. It’s still extremely concerning behavior I’d honestly say from both ends.
@@kkhook3 But is it sketchy when real teenagers act like that? Is it okay because a 13 year old asked for it? Legally, are they asking for it?
Was I asking for it when I asked men to come meet me and bring condoms when I was 13? Was not speaking as innocently as adults think a 13 year old should have proof that I deserved it if a man had ever accepted?
You can't separate the legal matter in this. If talking like a real 13 year old becomes entrapment when police do it then that means a real 13 year old talking like that legally deserves it.
>More online predators were arrested for soliciting law enforcement posing as children than actual children
Seems reasonable considering that law enforcement has the authority to arrest people where as actual children do not, don't you think? I don't really understand what this statistic proves.
This entire video is kind of disgusting. I sincerely don’t understand what he was trying to accomplish by bringing up that the majority of CSA cases are done between two underage kids. Like, okay? Does that mean we aren’t supposed to go after the people who are legitimately trying to go after children????
@@jimtreebob2096 I thought the video was pretty good overall. The premise of the video is that To Catch a Predator does not protect kids, and it makes a pretty good case for that. I don't know why we are talking about CSA between minors, but fear mongering about stranger danger is nit helping either.
@@jimtreebob2096 The statistic is to prove what I call the White Van Fallacy, see my other comment on this video for an explanation. Basically we are looking for the wrong people, searching for creeps online when the most abusers are more personal. Their family members that are grooming the children in their own families, they are other kids that go to school with the victims, often not realizing what they are doing is traumatizing and harmful, or worse, they know and have no impulse control. They are what are supposed to be pillars of the community, people we SHOULD be able to trust and abuse that.
The children statistic is rather to show that this show wasn't dealing with where it happens, and to focus resources effectively we need to stop trying to exclusively find an illusive figure and instead focus on where resources are needed.
It's related to the main point which is about how the show isn’t actually doing much good. It’s fearmongering, spreading misinformation and turning serious issues into entertainment instead of putting in effort to fix the problem.
If we want to stop spreading misinformation, we need to have discussions about the actual information.
This view of the dangerous stranger going after kids being the most common type of CSA makes it more difficult to adress the majority of CSA cases.
@@Katt1n The point is that shows like To Catch A Predator misrepresent CSA as an issue in order to create an entertaining revenge narrative. It's important to talk about CSA between minors because a lot of people think it doesn't happen and therefore can't recognize or respond to it effectively.
Its horrorfying to realise that men harrass me less as an adult.
I know youtube is a hellscape run by a pearl-clutching algorithm, but would it be possible for the versions that you post to Nebula to not have the needless censorship?
Maybe I’m the only one who really doesn’t care about this case as much seeing the dude is a F’ing child predator. RIP Bozo
same, this guy running the channel is weird.. making him seem like a victim
I agree. Very suspect of the guy making the video to defend chomos.
Yeah who cares if the trash took itself out? Very weird vibes from this video, especially when he tried to justify the conversations and meet ups from these weirdos. No normal adult would engage in a conversation with someone who identified themselves as a kid. And a normal person sure as hell wouldn’t GO TO THEIR HOUSE. If an adult is truly worried about the welfare of a child they don’t know they’d call CPS not investigate themselves
you keep referring to a suicide as an execution
He keeps twisting events to defend pedophiles. I think somebody should check his computer.
Everyone was bashed, except the predators themselves of course.
Mental health professional (w my own lived experience) here, and i'm gonna have to second @mechatiles comment here. This series is so fantastic, and like you say, thorough! It's so rare to find such an ignorant flippant comment like the one you made about schizophrenia here.
Yes, it is important to take someone's mental state at the time they made the allegations into account.
HOWEVER
1) The article you referenced said that she “was found to have acute paranoid schizophrenia”. What do they mean by that? Found by whom? Found when? Acute during which time? These are all essential questions to answer before overtly discrediting her (and calling her allegations a waste of money).
Because the thing people don't get about schizophrenia when they've never spent any time around people who live with the illness is: most people with schizophrenia are not always psychotic! Certainly not always acutely psychotic, because that actually doesn't make sense; if a person's psychosis is that persistent and not responsive to treatment, we call that chronic. But for most, when appropriately treated on medication, through therapy, through abstinence from substances, or just plain old time, they are completely lucid, present, and aware of their illnesses.
I have worked directly with many people who sometimes are sick, then they get better. And you know what? The allegations often stay exactly the same when they're well and when they're unwell. Sometimes they get well and take it all back, sometimes they're completely unaware of what's happened and shocked by what they said. But that's simply not always - or even usually - the case.
2) People with mental illnesses - especially the lower prevalence/higher functional impact illnesses like schizophrenia - are far more likely to be victim/survivors of CSA and other similarly abhorrent violations. ESPECIALLY in that era of time when institutionalisation was so common. The kinds (and quantities OH BOY) of abuses that people suffered in the old school asylums/long stay psych hospitals are one of the main reasons they all gradually shut down throughout the 90s.
3) We actually don't know what causes schizophrenia. We don't know what causes most mental illnesses. There are theories that many subscribe to, but just like the "low serotonin levels cause depression, and that's why SSRIs/SNRIs work" theory has been thoroughly debunked after being the accepted wisdom for decades, so it may be for the dopamine theory of schizophrenia any day now. Doctors and psychiatrists act like they know things like this for certain, but they don't. You just have to have a tremendous ego to endure the training required to become a psychiatrist, so most of them are pretty arrogant about things they should actually be humble and honest about. I mean, #notallpsychiatrists realistically, but yeah, ego in psychiatry is a thing.
Anyway, my point is: what we do know are the risk factors for developing a psychotic illness, and trauma like CSA is right up there alongside having a parent with a psychotic illness.
So what i'm getting at is: not only can people with schizophrenia make accurate, honest, reality based allegations of CSA, but they are more likely than the general population to have suffered from it, AND evidence suggests that CSA (and similar) trauma actually makes someone more likely to develop schizophrenia in the first place.
I don't know this particular story super well, it may very well be that this person who made the allegations in the McMartin case was either acutely or chronically unwell and making non-reality based statements due to their psychosis. But you can't just hand-wave away a person's reports because they suffer from a certain illness. That's ableist, and I've been watching your work for long enough to know that YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS.
Maybe this would be a cool thing to address in a copaganda video on portrayals of mental illness? Just an idea lol!
Thanks for reading, love your work ❤️
Where the hell can I find someone like you to talk to? I've had nothing but harmful ego driven shitty therapists so much it's turned me completely off of therapy
I know the story. She said that the male preschool teacher at her toddler's daycare was putting stuff in his rectum as part of some kind of elaborate Satanic ritual. A doctor examined the toddler and found slight irritation at the anus because the mom was prodding and touching it so much but no evidence of any actual penetration like she was claiming. As time went on the things she was alleging got more and more elaborate, bizarre, and logistically improbable to impossible. It was pretty obviously a case of paranoid delusions.
@@maybezan8149 Not only is there zero evidence that Judy Johnson was symptomatic prior to the investigation going off the rails, but the initial concern arose because her son complained of rectal pain and three different doctors dx'd likely abuse. The bizarre stuff came later and mostly from families not even involved in the investigation.
The ableism and sanism in this video are frankly extremely gross.
@@micheleblatzheim2097 Lol, sanism?? Are we not supposed to discriminate against those who are _literally_ less mentally capable?
@@UniqueHandles discrimination is "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people", no, you shouldn't discriminate against those less mentally capable than you, because that's abelist and generally, i doubt you'd want the same treatment.
The sex offender registry is like the diagrams of planes that got shot and made it back to base. You're looking at (arguably) the success cases, and you need to be more aware of people in your life who aren't on the registry.
The term you're looking for is "survivorship bias", btw.
25:10 Is it sad that so far the most shocking revelation is the fact that a plane ticket to *anywhere* ever cost only $300?
There are still plenty, in Europe they're even as low as like 40 bucks sometimes (though even I recently had a 250 dollar round trip from Texas to central Mexico). It mainly depends on the city you fly out from and what airline you choose.
I live in the USA, and domestic flights with budget airlines usually cost me like 40 bucks one-way (about $110 with luggage costs added on top). Might depend on where you live and where you're traveling, though.