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When I worked from home but had slow Internet, I would leave fhe TV on, with nothing much to watch. The episode you're describing was part of a one week "To catch a predator" special BUT Chris Hansen hosted only 4 nights, Friday night's host was a woman (I forget who) and I swear that I am not exaggerating, it was on TH-cam for years; the "love story of Mary Kay Letourneau and Vili Fualaau". When he was 12 and she was his 34 year old teacher, she began a sexual affair with him. I'm not kidding when I said that Chris Hansen hosted 4 nights of angry schlock with idiots implicating themselves and a 180 degree turn for the "love story"on Friday night. What is odd is that when I finally complained on the TH-cam upload (they either took it down or just blocked ir from me), I saw a great many comments that basically said what the host said; "wonderful, etc.". Truly bizarre. I don't have time to watch this video but you and everyone should know.
Fun fact, I was a PA and an extra on Tahara. I literally did a double take seeing myself and friends in the background of the clips you posted, cool to see this film getting more traction!
I highly recommend the PSA short movie "Tricky People, Yello Dyno" It teaches kids that "tricky people" are not only strangers and that they can be trusted people in power too. I was shown it in elementary school and I will sing its praises until I die.
Well, think of it this way: Everyone has seen or heard of the show. Would you want to be the idiot caught on a well known TV show on its 2nd or 3rd season?
there was no social media back then, people were spending time in chatrooms and posting on online forums. what were the odds the chatroom had a to catch a predator decoy present? most people don't like to even consider getting caught
The biggest issue for me is that a lot of people who watch these shows could care less about protecting children. What they DO care about is inflicting harm on a socially acceptable target.
My mom works in a kindergarten in Norway. Once a year, they have a CSA learning day. They play age-appropriate animated videos, they talk about bodily autonomy, and put focus on how family members often are the culprits. They tell the kids that even if you love your dad / grandpa / uncle / aunt / whoever, you don't deserve to be treated that way, and they dispel the common threats often used to make kids stay quiet. My mom says it's the worst day of the year and the staff are always sick to their stomachs, but it's an important topic. I believe the same education is also now a part of our puberty and s3x-ed classes both in elementary and middle school. Unfortunately, we still don't have a proper consent law, so only 1% of SA leads to conviction.
Stuff like that isn't allowed in the US because of opposition from abusive parents. If a kid knows the medical terms for their body parts it is easier for them to tell another adult what happened and have them understand it. Also, they dont want kids knowing that they have the right to say what they do and don't want when it comes to their body. Stuff like forced hugs with family members they barely know aren't possible when a kid speaks out and refuses to do it. Which would look "bad" because then your child looks disobedient to others. Which is absurd to begin with but it is the truth. I've had to suffer through it and even as an adult was scolded for hitting away my father when he touched my without permission. Since I'm still expected to just accept everything family does to me. I'm lucky that no one in my family was a pdf because if they were I wouldn't have had any help from the rest of the family and would have been told I'm in the wrong.
first thing my parent said when i told them i was a survivor of csa was "how? i knew every adult you were ever with". and they are a smart and thoughtful parent! but this narrative is so pervasive that it's genuinely blinding for people
I think, almost counterintuitively, if you can think of all child predators as these monsters that hide in dark corners of the world, it feels safer than thinking that the people you love and trust can be someone that does one of the worst things imaginable to your child. There's a reckoning that comes with that as well, if the person that harms your child is someone you've taught that child they can trust, I imagine it could ignite some feelings of guilt that could be difficult to deal with. Sorry you went through that
@@evintydeThere is a lot of effort that goes into demonizing the "other" as being responsible for bad things happening. Framing mentally ill people's (often toxic or damaging but non-malicious) defense mechanisms as calculated abuse by barely-human monsters, attributing predatory behavior to minorities or strangers, or even normalizing harmful behaviors as "well, everyone does that, it's socially acceptable". It's all to give people a false sense of security. Often, it's so people can convince themselves "I could never do that! I'm a good person. I couldn't be responsible for anything like that."
more funding is one piece of the puzzle, imo oversight is needed even more than funding, the social system for minors and foster systems are terrible in both Canada and the US with a serious lack of oversight along with plenty of other issues.
Its comforting for people to think of CSA perpetrators as strangers. It means that the problem is *them,* its *those people.* It means they don't have to confront that one uncle everyone knows not to leave alone in the same room as a kid. It means people don't have to ask questions about the sports coach, the youth pastor, the over familiar teacher. Hating pdf files is easy when they're monsters in the darkness and much much harder when they're someone you know and trust.
I recently found out one of my long-time friends was convicted of possessing CP. it’s truly heartbreaking, confusing, and all around hard to navigate. It’s a loss of a friend. It’s hard to grieve that but still know how awful they were
I really appreciated the discussion regarding CSA committed by other kids; I suffered SA by 5 of my classmates when I was 13 and it's such a frustrating topic of discussion because NO ONE believes, or wants to believe, that children can be capable of that type of harm. So thank you for contextualizing those feelings and talking about a really misunderstood issue ❤
I’m sorry this happened to you and I know it won’t be able change what you experienced but I hope it brings you some peace to know that as a teacher I received training this week to tackle CSA. Both preventing it from happening or in the occasions it does happen how to support a victim in my capacity as a teacher. We believe young children no matter who or how young the perpetrator may be. I hope you have a peaceful week ❤
i’m so sorry that happened to you and in an attempt to empathize i want to share i had a similar experience at 15 with one peer at my high school obtaining inappropriate photos of me and sharing with all of their friends online and in person at school. it was to the point where i was harassed and still have no idea how many individuals possess these photos or have seen them at some point. and i had no idea how to handle it so i kept it to myself even now in my early 20s. i do think people don’t talk enough about this kind of CSA and how extremely isolating it can be as well.
parents would rather believe theres rapists and predators are lurking around every corner online and the only way to stop them is to police and surveil their childs online activity... rather than creating a trustful and caring enviroment not matter what, teaching that child that no means no with physical touch no matter what (like they dont have to kiss that aunt or give that hug to their grandpa) and believing them if they do report and showing support to victims generally
I'm 25 and my mom taught me sex ed starting at 6 and always told me that I don't have to hug or kiss anyone if I don't want to. It sometimes surprises me how ahead my mom was of the curve with all this stuff. Love u mom
This predates the internet. The fear about Stranger Danger was a panic long before it went online - back then it was rumors that so-and-so heard a kid was abducted by a stranger in a van outside school, or did-you-hear-about the pervert offering children sweets to go back to his car? Funnily enough it was never about a person the child actually knew - always some mysterious other adult.
@@vylbird8014 The fact that the same false narratives is STILL being pushed by the media for now near 4 decades despite many experts like the one interviewed openly told them it's not only wrong its extremely dangerous to push shows how much the media wants to push this as fear mongering
Right? Being taught about consent would have been so immensely helpful for me. It was always "Don't let anybody touch you!" but in practice I was ALWAYS expected to touch/be touched by everyone. "Give grandma/grandpa/your brother a hug." When a classmate finally touched me inappropriately, I didn't say anything for months, maybe years. Their words didn't matter because their actions contradicted them.
I have my gripes with this video, but it upsets me that a huge chunk of the comments appears to miss the point….entirely. The issue here is not with whether it’s sad that a guy killed himself or whether we should feel bad for people who diddle kids. The issue here is with creating and even manufacturing entertainment from a revenge fantasy for adults and pretending it was for the security of children, all while actively misrepresenting of how SA actually occurs. There is a reason people learn criminology and law before they can embark on “catching predators”. These people think they are The Punisher.
I've gotten some shit for saying this but personally I don't think it's EVER okay to tell someone to kill themself or justify them doing so. You can be happy they're gone without being a dick to the family that is going to be grieving over a lost love one. There is nothing more heartbreaking in the world than watching someone screaming at a funeral asking why their mom/dad/sister/brother/daughter/son chose to end their own life.
@@expensivepink7having a job working closely with random people all day. There are so many people that have made me question how they have managed to just keep themselves alive... it's honestly baffling and makes me wonder how they go through life day to day.
We live in a society where children face harsher punishment for boundaries they can't fully understand, while cops get little to no punishment for doing more inappropriate behavior, while holding more power and knowing those boundaries
Meme brainrot seems to linger forever I literally laughed at the first five words of your comment before actually reading the rest that my mind replaced with "bottom text" This is starting to be worrying.
No. Those "children" are old enough to hurt someone (and don't be stupid- a boy old enough to pressure someone for nudes KNOIWS DAMN WELL it's wrong.) Quit forgiving shitty male behaviour.
Yeah... this reminded me of an incident that occurred at my high school some odd 10 years ago, a kid streaked at a football game as a prank and was placed on the local sex offender registry for exposing himself inappropriately in public. He killed himself two weeks later. It was a harrowing thing. Didn't hurt anyone, was just being dumb and 15 and then couldn't see a way to continue onward.
Exactly! We have the highest child mortality rate in the developed world, and then we make a big show about protecting our kids by punishing perps to the full extent of the law and putting them on useless registries that almost not other country in the world uses.
29:43 I remember once a coworker of mine complained that her nephew refused to let her kiss him on the cheeks because his mom told him it's okay to say no to someone who wants to kiss/hug/touch him. I struggled to word a response to explain that it's a *good* thing to teach kids about consent and unwanted touching without her thinking that I was calling her a pervert for wanting to kiss family. I mean, I *did* think she was being rude and disrespectful by trying to invade the personal space of a child who had told her "No," but you can't say that to people of her generation without them freaking out...
There are a ton of people who think consent regarding bodily autonomy is only for things that are sexual in nature, and that non-sexual physical contact with people you know and especially are related to is just, fair game. To put up walls regarding it makes you cagey, stand-offish, rude, disrespectful.
@@tinfoilslacks3750 yeah, those people need to realize it was never “okay” to violate someone’s space like that, it was just their culture that made them think setting boundaries was rude.
I face CSA at home with a step father who was an ex-cop. Didn't look a damn thing like the predator on cop tv shows. Go figure that people still don't believe it.
I completely understand, for me it was my local dispatcher mother who was the rapist. It’s frustrating how people only ever believe it if they “look like a predator”, and definitely not when they are involved in law enforcement. I’m sorry you went through that too, I hope you find peace❤ you’re doing great❤
@@briarcook8855 The way I see it: the more people who see THIS video, and read YOUR stories, the better. People need to start waking up -- it is the first step towards true change. My condolences to you, my brother/sister in humanity. If I could hug you though this screen, I would.
i think it’s more accurate to say that any online p*dophilia makes only 5% of any LEGAL cases. which mostly shows how much of it never makes it to court. online grooming IS a huge issue but has much lower legal ramifications due to the laws and justice system being inflexible to the online environment.
No, I have NEVER had someone coerce me. However I did get hit on by and older woman once. I am only one person tho, however very few of the people I know were chatted up by predators, often it was just kids their age and they knew being crude.
I’m a survivor of both kinds of childhood sexual abuse. At 7, I was raped by a stranger in the neighborhood. 5 years later, my father got drunk for 4 days to build up the courage to attempt to rape his 12 yo daughter. (Remember, they don’t do it bc they’re drunk/high; they get drunk/high so they can do it.) I’m aware of how rare stranger child rape is. I guess I’m a kind of unicorn-hope so anyway. Family, be good to yourselves today, whether you’re a survivor or not. Remember to be gentle w yourselves and be your own best friend. Hang in there 😘
You are so strong to have kept on living through those horribly traumatic experiences😭 Unfortunately so many people have to learn to live with horrible trauma. Not trying to downplay your experience at all or try to imply it's at all ok because a lot of people have been through similar things. It is not ok, but it's inspiring to hear that you seem to be doing ok. it's so sad that people even have to go through such pain & trauma when we as humans actually have the power to make the world such a better place for all if we would just work together & not try to keep one-upping others at the expense of so many things we should hold dear & sacred. Thank you for these words, truly I really needed to hear this because I am struggling to be gentle & kind to myself and navigate all the demons I carry. I promise I will keep trying to hang on. Best wishes 💖
"(Remember, they don’t do it bc they’re drunk/high; they get drunk/high so they can do it.)" Never really thought of it like that, but it makes a lot of sense
@@jazmineraymond7495Literally no reasonable and intelligent person would think that policing attire is a form of csa prevention 😂??? Clearly education and awareness is what they are referring to. idk I might have read that wrong
@PunishedFelix prevention as in educating people on things like how to interact with others online. How to know if someone is trying to grooʻm you. How parents can better check in on their kids. Signs of sa. Etc. Theres more to prevention and not what youre thinking of lol to ease ur anxiety
I can 100% confirm that age-appropriate education protects kids & should be standard practice. It protected me from potential CSA when I was 5. My mom sold Discovery Toys at the time, and one of their products was musical recording called Safety Kids, which used songs to teach preschool and little kids safety lessons they could sing along to, and better remember. Songs ranged from teaching you to memorize your home phone number, telling you to look for a "grandma or mom with children" if you got lost and separated from your parents, to scream and draw attention if a stranger grabbed you and tried to take you, and similar safety lessons. They used drama and music to make it easy for little kids to understand. One of the songs ('Stay Outside of My Line or I'll Tell On You') taught kids there was an invisible line around their body and if any adult "came inside your line" by doing something that scared you, you needed to get help and tell about this right away. My mom played this tape at sales demos all the time, and she had no idea little me was listening to it and learning all the songs, but I was. My grandma had a new boyfriend and they left him in charge of watching me (at age 5) at a craft booth while my mom and grandma both left the booth together to explore the fair. Suddenly my mom heard her name being paged on the PA to come to security and they found me there, hysterical and crying. Apparently I'd screamed and ran to a "mom with kids" and asked her to please help me find my mommy. When mom asked me what was wrong, I pointed to my grandma's boyfriend (who I was left alone in the booth with) and all I could tell her was, "he came inside my line, mom! He came inside my line!!" Of course, my mom knew what that meant. I was never left alone with the guy again and my grandma dumped him right away. I realize CSA situations are more complicated when its someone the child knows and trusts, and that can make it hard to know who to safely tell and report to. But I strongly believe the sooner education begins and it doesn't have to be complicated for preschoolers, I understood enough at 5 to make my message clear, more kids would be protected sooner in life, decreasing their vulnerability.
I'm so glad you're talking about CSA that's perpetrated by other children. I was harrassed and assaulted by my best friend when we were both 12 but it took WAY too long for anyone to believe me because we were both boys and I was physically larger and stronger than him. But just like the data shows, I was queer and lonely and he knew he could use that against me
Has nothing to do w size. My best friend was molested by his male best friend and was scared to come out as gay bc of this lest it seemed like "he liked it so much it made him gay"
Me too. Thanks so much for sharing your story. Kinda tearing up rn. I was 4-5 and the kid perpetrating was a year younger and no one ever found out except my friend who was a year older and she treated it like I was the one doing something bad and she used it as a source of blackmail. I often feel like most people think that only CSA perpetrated by adults counts.
Yeah this is something that is understated for sure, I know far too many people who have had it happen to them. In my case it took me years to realize what had happened and honestly I still have trouble considering what happened to be SA but in hindsight can see it's definitely shaped how I view sexual interactions, I'm just lucky that it was far less extreme than many have gone through.
I have to take a break from this video because I was molested at ages 7-8 by someone who was 10-11 and it was 100% vicious and done with the intent to dominate and humiliate me. I hesitate to bring up that my worst predator was also a child because I don’t want it dismissed as “experimenting” or somehow innocent and misguided. I do believe that growing up in rape culture can lead to unintentional damage but I don’t think of that as abuse. Abuse is intentional and cruel and while I hold compassion for the child who hurt me, I don’t excuse it. She wasn’t dumb. She was smart and savvy and it’s AMAZING how many tactics she used on me that full-on cult leaders use on their victims. It was incredible and also incredibly sad to see how much rage a ten-year-old child can bottle up and then unleash. Just how unprotected SHE was boggles my mind. Also, I don’t think it did her any favors for people to dismiss her capacity for evil because she was small and cute.
i get you. when i brought up my own child sexual abuse by older boys (also minors) to my therapist she excused it by calling it juvenile curiosity and "playing". victims of minor predators aren't taken seriously unfortunately because these cases are more complex and people usually stop at "kids don't know what they're doing". i feel like i have to censor my own experiences to be taken seriously because people are uncomfortable thinking about minors committing acts of sexual violence. i'm sorry you have to deal with this shit too.
Child offenders need to be taken seriously, the reason for low recidivism among those that are caught is because those kids are supported out of that behavior. Also, since so many child perpetrators have shit going on in their lives, I'm sure it would adult abusers or neglect going on
@@vodyanoy2 I think enough was done TO her. I think that she should have been a) moved to a safe location and b) gotten some counseling. She lived in a world where anything could be done to her and she could do anything to anyone without any consequences. That’s a terrifying world to live in for a kid. For me, I was in that situation temporarily and I had a mom who, despite her flaws, wouldn’t have allowed herself to “not know” about my abuse. And she wouldn’t let me get away with hurting other people either. Honestly, at that age, just being called out is incredibly effective. To have it verbally acknowledged that it’s not okay for that to happen to you or for you to do that to other people. Something that simple would have changed her entire world view.
@@pory-z Yeah, you can call it play and experimentation when it’s consensual, not coercive. When consent is denied or not optional, that’s abuse. I hate that you went through that too.
Bruh the internet security at my high school was so bad that a dude actually put Halo Combat Evolved on every computer at the same time and we could all play together if the teachers weren't looking. He was crazy shotout Landon H
@@demetriousramirez Same, but instead of a publicly available folder we just asked each other to send game roms to our school profiles. Everyone had a Genesis and/or NES/SNES emulator on their profiles they could fire up as soon as they logged in. XD
There's just something about seeing a bunch of kids screaming; 'and it's probably A-Minorrrrrrrrr' that is just absolutely priceless. It's almost enough to make you feel bad for Drake, but not really.
It depends. There are PDF files and there are predators. Some PDF files are predators, not all predators are PDF files. And that distinction probably does matter when figuring out how to stop CSA. Treatment for PDF files won't help stopping predators, for example.
Capitalism, 'ever-increasing' productivity, and a deeply ungratifying sexual and romantic marketplace post-globalism leading to a lost for the sexual outlet and power/dominance would probably be the root causes. When nobody wants them, they force themselves upon those who can't refuse.
Yeah it bothers me how every time CSA is discussed, everyone seems to assume it happened because the perpetrator is attracted to children. This definitely happens, but a lot of cases are opportunistic predators looking to victimise an easy target. It doesn't have to be about attraction. SA is mainly about power and control. See also assault of vulnerable elderly people.
My youngest would yell, "My body, my choice." Whenever an adult tried to hug them, touch them, pick them up without consent. Called her my little consent queen. My parents would force me to sit in the lap of men (often family) with erect!ons. Yeah i made sure my kids had ownership over their own bodies. I'm 47 and can still feel every moment my parents took away my autonomy and forced trauma onto me. The pain ripples are endless. Children remember.
I’m editing this because this deserves much more than a snarky comment about how the world sucks. The amount of stranger danger messaging that has surrounded me all of my life has mixed in with my general paranoia to make it so all of my life I have been incredibly afraid of people and going to the bathroom in public. The rhetoric we use to talk about these things is disgusting and misleading and negatively effects every single one of us. Especially growing up as a woman all you hear is about how dangerous everything and everyone is except for the people around you who are the ones much more likely to abuse you. Instead of learning about consent and how to identify this behavior we are only taught to live in fear and hope we are not abused.
Exactly. And that same misconception is pervasive among police, too. It runs so deep, they basically don't fundamentally grasp the concept of consent between friends/colleagues/classmates/intimate partners. They're especially blind to complex domestic SA abuse. And they aren't really listening if you try to explain it to them. I had a step dad who repeatedly tried to convince police to open an investigation after his teenage daughter got assaulted by a young adult man. He scoured the neighborhood for months, and finally learned the man's home address. He knocked, the man's mom answered, and lied to his face for about twenty minutes. When she finally admitted that she did have a son, he matched the description, and he lived there with her. Then she vehemently insisted he moved to Walla Walla and slammed the door shut. Step dad watched the dude enter the house. He knew he was there. Called the cops again, offered them an easy conviction with a little bow on it. They patronized him a bit, but made it clear that they were never going to investigate. The only meaningful response he ever managed to coax out of cops, was when they flat out blamed Him for it. Basically said he should have made different choices as a father, or been psychic, or a paranoid totalitarian. Imagine looking a distraught father in the eyes, and telling him his kid's PTSD is on him. The perp had spent months gaining the households trust. He was a family friend. That's why the cops couldn't recognize the crisis or the crime.
These youtube pedophile hunter channels are extremely disturbing. Disliking these tactics does not mean you don't want pedophiles caught but this can't be a good way to do it.
Exactly! I say anything bad about DAP, Skeet Hansen, or any of the other pred catcher TH-cam shows, or dare criticize any of the useless tactics our justice system uses to address CSA (punitive prisons, the registry, etc.) and people treat me like I’m Larry Nassar. Pred catcher shows do nothing to protect the innocent (ironic considering that’s the name of one of their channels). Often they don’t know how to properly gather evidence or they commit crimes against the perps (e.g., by assaulting them), and courts end up letting them go. DA’s also will refuse to take the cases of perps caught these catchers.
@@76678-m they're pushing the same "isolated loner" false narratives as those before them 19:22 I'm glad he pointed out the clear racist undertones to this fear mongering
The part about child sexual abuse being perpetrated by other kids... blew my mind, because it's something I don't even consider now as an adult and yet looking back at my childhood, can 100% confirm having seen fellow kids/teenagers do stuff ranging from silly, to stupid to ..'harmful sexual behaviors'. You may not have seen stuff personally, but you've heard about stuff because kids talk. Kids genuinely have no clue, more so when they're not taught about boundaries, consent, or even how their bodies work. Seems like something more sex education, awareness, gender studies, etc can help with, and yet we have people arguing for ...less of this.
To Catch a Predator may be gone but thank god we have TH-cam predator catchers now! These guys definitely care about the children and are not at all clout chasing influencers! Hell, I remember a few years back in the brony fandom there was this group of self-proclaimed pedo hunters who thought they were on some hind of crusade to purge the brony fandom of predators......until the group fell apart becasue half the members turned out to be grooming kids themselves.
There's a guy in my city who got 3 years in prison and a lifetime of sex offender registration because he asked a girl 2 years younger than him for nudes. He technically DID break the law but that shit pissed me off so much. He's not a fucking child pornographer.
I thought it was bad enough adult men drunkenly pissing on the street and getting indecent exposure charges that get them on the registry was bad enough, then I learned that and whew...
You end up on the registry in some states just for urinating in public, regardless of intent. Homeless and someone sees you peeing next to a dumpster because you've got no other choice? Welcome to the registry in CT
Don't know about chess, but off the top of my head in roughly reverse chronological order (some overlap): - The Groomers (political version) - Online predators. - Violent video games. - Online porn. - Gangsta Rap - Video nasties. - Offline porn. - The Satanic Panic. - Rock n Roll - Second Red Scare - Comic books - Gay panic - First Red Scare - Penny Dreadfuls - Masturbation panic - Literal witchhunts. - Several centuries of Catholics and Protestants taking turns trying to kill each other.
this episode of skip intro was made for me! I work as a family advocate, interacting with and helping the families of both the CSA victim children and child perpetrators. I'm so glad you talked about this - I've been at my child advocacy center for going on 2 years and I've only seen one case of an unknown assailant, and even then - it was ENTIRELY opportunistic. Every. Single. Other. Child - they knew the person who hurt them. 1 kid in almost 2 years, and at a center seeing nearly 1200 kids each year. I appreciate your diligence! Thanks for the great video.
@doopydarp1027 I don't think that number is far off at all. I think people underestimate the ways kids and teens, even unintentionally, can sexually traumatize each other. Siblings exploring and playing house or doctor. An abused child who thought the CSA they experienced was normal, trying to connect to other kids. Teens who haven't received any kind of sex Ed or consent talks. Angry hormonal kids with nowhere to put their energy. Lonely or neglected kids who are trying to find connection, but haven't had education or healthy relationships modeled. Its very common for me to work several cases of CSA in a row which are all child on child.
I was a victim of CSA at 15 by a 14 year old, and I was nowhere near his first victim… it is very common from personal experience that kids are offenders very often
I think what Ryan Shields says is critically important, and it also echoed in The Morbid Zoo's takedown of The Sound of Freedom: we wait for the harm to occur before we do something. Conservatives care more about justice porn than they do about protecting anybody.
Worse than that--we don't just wait for harm to occur before doing something, some people actively look for ways to inflict harm in the name of "preventing" harm. One of the things that drives me up the wall on this topic is the way some people act around vent art--targeting and harassing _victims of abuse_ because those victims aren't coping the way that "normal" people should, so obviously they must be abusers. Not to mention shit like right-wingers weaponizing the disgust at CSA by claiming that LGBT people are all abusers. Add to that the problem of trying to _prove_ what harm happened, and the general misinformation around what abuse looks like, and the consequences of failure (both by failing to catch a predator, and by falsely identifying someone as a predator), and...yeah, it's a mess.
Man I have a lot more to say on this topic than TH-cam would allow, but as a Gen Z guy, I think pretty much *every single* girl I knew between ages of 10-15 got groomed on Kik, and tons of them got extorted. I know a lot of people talk about TikTok and IG, but the real one now is Discord. The servers are totally unmoderated and people of all ages hang out in video calls for several hours a day, and at any random time. I used to be in video game servers, and every single server has a story about a former mod who....isn't a mod anymore.
ur right about discord. the fact that u can edit msgs after u send them makes it so keeping evidence is really hard. i think most people who regularly use it have stories to tell about the shit that goes down
can vouch about discord mods, i used to moderate a fairly active roblox server on discord as a minor. i saw about the same amount horrific shit as my mom did during her CSAM identification training as a CBSA(canadian border security agency) officer. so many beheading videos and lolicon videos disguised as memes
One really huge aspect with discord is that when youre a little kid, so much of your time revolves around hanging out with your friends and playing video games, that the moderators have a lot more "authority" than parents realize. I got groomed on TeamSpeak and Skype playing games like Garry's Mod. It was a really bad problem back then, and when Discord came out, it basically combined TeamSpeak AND Skype into a social media that most adults have never even heard of.
So, I'm the survivor of a rather violent CSA at the hands of another child. And this is the first time I've ever heard how statistically common that is. My disclosure at the time wasn't taken seriously, because no one (authority figures, parents, doctors, and therapists included) believed that the perpetrator was capable of such a thing, *due to his age.* To this day, people tend not to believe me, citing the age thing. In weak, terrifying moments, I've worried that I'm misremembering the whole thing. The relief and vindication I feel right now is inexpressible. I'm going to do some more research into this, and hopefully feel less alone. Thank you.
It's common to have those issues (invalidation) when the person who hurt you was closer to your age or a sibling. My sister never assaulted me, just flashed me and made sex jokes about me and made me feel uncomfortable, but she did threaten to kill me and burn our house down and she broke in and I had to call the cops on her (she threw both phones my mom had and gave her a black eye and threatened her with a knife). Even though she was an adult and I was a child, it still feels invalid. If this were a competition you would win, no denying, but I can empathize with you.
It's wild to me that so many people just refuse to belive that kids are capable of bad things. As someone who has also been SAd where both me and the person hurting me were kids; it makes sense. Just like he says in the video kids are still navigating the idea of consent and therefore end up crossing lines which means it’s extra important to belive victims in these cases so that proper action can be taken to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Silliest, most pedantic comment about your video: The clip you show when talking about Jazz is depicting Balboa and not Charleston. This is not a real criticism, but it gave me an excuse to use my knowledge of swing dancing. lol
I can't remember if you mentioned this, but in terms of CSA, a lot of abusers aren't even pedophiles. They're abusing children not out of some mental attraction issue, but becuase they want to abuse their power over someone who cannot effectively resist or complain.
@@carlosa4852 I see this axiom being presented a ton around this topic but I've never particularly understood where it comes from and what it means in a practical sense, do you mind elaborating on it? (Genuine question from someone who isn't particularly well educated on this sort of topic and doesn't have any practical use for sexuality and the like irl, not dismissing it in case it comes off like that otherwise)
Hey, I work with childhood SA survivors, and while I think most of this video is good, one thing I would edit/think about - saying if an adult is being “pressured” by a kid and therefore does something with SA it’s kinda understandable or not as much the adults’ fault is…not a great message tbh. I know that’s not what you’re intending, but saying it’s equivalent to entrapment is kinda…questionable. I’m not particularly sympathetic to the idea that the kid didn’t seem as “innocent” and therefore the adult’s actions were less despicable. Like, I get and empathize with the point of the video, but the discussion section around the 30 minute mark isn’t great. It implies or outright states that the adults coming aren’t as responsible because the people they thought were kids were being more knowledgeable or suggestive than one would expect. That shouldn’t matter. I’m sorry but that bit is not having great implications to survivors and is relieving people of responsibility for their actions in some pretty awful behavior. (I hope this came across as respectful and clear).
i see where you're coming from, but i think its also important to point out how the language the decoys use could cause the case to be thrown out because of entrapment
@@runninggeese "Could" and *did* are two different things. *Did* any of the charges get dropped because of entrapment? If so, then a discussion can be had. If not, your pondering is worthless.
@@CharlieHolmesT Yes I watched the video, forgive me for not remembering every exact detail. If one got thrown out, then we figure out what set it apart from the others.
I've been listening while im driving. I just gotta say that the point you made about the decoys behaving in "not innocent" ways is weird? Correct me if im wrong but to the creeps in the chat they believe they're talking to children. It doesnt matter how suggestive the decoys are being. Any adult who is responsible would disengage.
Literally most decoys would respond with "ok" in the chat logs when the predators would call them pretty or sexy or whatever they had to say. Like almost completely neutral.
It matters less for "moral" reasons and morso for legal reasons. If the decoys were goading the targets on, an entrapment defense would be more likely to be successful.
@@happycamperds9917this is whats important- while theyre still creeps for talking with who they believe is a child, these cases have to be handled very carefully, as certain tactics can unfortunately blur the legality of things and make a case for the creep being goaded in. obviously no one will be goaded by a child who isnt already thinking about such acts to some degree, but methods have to be careful as to not allow that wriggle room for such a defense, thus criticism of how the decoys respond is important
@@JackHarbon I mean the video *is* over an hour long... thats like... a lot if you think about it. I mean we only get 24 of those in a day and yknow most of that is sleeping or school or work.... I mean man we spend so little time making our own decisions... fuck...
@@dreadfulroses That doesn't really mean anything. The fact of the matter is that someone is commenting on something without even knowing the details about it.
Whenever he (forgot his name, the guy that you were talking with) brought up how people often forget/don't think of children being the perpetrator... Yup. I was one such kid... 7 years old at the time, and my 12 year old stepbrother... yup. I wish more people would realize that sometimes, it's other kids causing harm to a child. Edit: just realized I'm getting triggered (like in the ptsd sense of the word), so might come back and watch later, I'm not sure. I appreciate you spreading the word about this stuff.
My sincere advice is when your triggered from this stuff I found what helped me the best way literally was having a trusted person I could speak to and talk to them about the subject and I personally made myself confront the stuff that triggered me with them
My sincere advice is when your triggered from this stuff I found what helped me the best way literally was having a trusted person I could speak to and talk to them about the subject and I personally made myself confront the stuff that triggered me with them
it's a startling realization that CSA isn't always a creepy stranger touching kids, it's also when a 17 year old is groped by an adult man who you thought liked you :(
Catfished a guy to leave his wife for a minor over beef! I feel like the fact he did it for a fictional minor adds so much to that. Edit: The fact he treats the guy who fell for a fictional minor as innocent because it was a catfish is real fucked up. WTF is this episode?
@@prettyevil6662000 definitely weird how he didn't bring that up. I do think police doing this is very dangerous. alot of Muslims are targeted by intelligence agencys to entice them to do acts of terror. Not just finding terrorists and implanting agents but planning attacks giving the groups materials and knowledge. The cia was involved in intelligence operations against people like mlk, huey Newton,malcom x and various student run anti war groups. like the cia literally sent a letter to mlk telling he cheated on his wife and should kys. The us government is like a rabid loose dog doing anything it wants
40:00 Just because the judge overseeing the case thought that it was entrapment does NOT mean that it was entrapment. It could be easily argued that the judge overstepped their bounds, because the jury is supposed to decide that. Also iirc that guy that got his case thrown out went on to be a violent sexual offender, sooooo weird, inapplicable example all around.
Gonna be real, I can't find it in me to care. Dude went there with the purpose of doing depraved things to a child, got caught, and then offed himself. Yeah cops should've handled way better than they did but at the end of the day nothing of value was lost.
@@ParakeetDSi Yes they did. You've NEVER read the Chattlogs and have probably NEVER heard of James Wiles. He was literally Found to have been molesting his OWN daughters for years.
Also he... didn’t go to the house? Idk if another person offed themselves on the show but this guy didn’t ever do or intend to do anything physical. Like stated in the video he was already guilty if sexually explicit chats with a minor so there was no need to make it into a sensation.
@@tyraoqvist350 just say you sympathize with them and become their sidekick, bro. You're really odd for defending this behavior. There is no saving these monsters, they've already given up their humanity
One of the most important thing this video asks is how we can shift the conversation from punishment of perpetrators to prevention of abuse to begin. While both are important, the former is focused on acting only after harm has been done. The latter is much harder to explore because prevention neccistates understanding why and how abuse happens. In the same way that criminal investigation and profiling required us to understand what made a criminal mind and what motivated it, we must apply the same logic here. The best way to prevent child abuse is to, as a society, understand how and why it happens. Satanic Panic 2.0 is not enforcing justice in the way that we want it to be. With a conversation that has stakes like this, there are no winners or losers, only victims.
It doesn't help that there's very few people actually interested in prevention. People are becoming increasingly aware of the kinds of things cops do to make criminal investigations have a "happy ending" for the cops, regardless of how accurate or correct the end result is, and random people on the internet aren't much better. It's frustrating.
@@TehNoobiness Germany has a nice thing where people who are thinking about abusing children like that can call and get a specialized therapist to help them deal with those urges. I fear proposing such a thing in the USA is social suicide, even though it would help save a child.
They not ready for that prevention conversation. Easiest thing to do would be rehabilitation or places they can go. But people are to vindictive. They rather wait until it happens to got outraged
@@zero1188its interesting how strongly some folks react to the concept of 'prevention' with this topic'. i understand that vindictive feeling, wanting those who hurt others to face retribution in some way, but that being the main focus only allows harm to continue until it gets recognized. this wasnt a sexual case, but i was abused by my sister, and after a lot of time in therapy of my own and years to digest everything, my take has become 'i wish she couldve gotten therapy before all this'. she still hurt me, and believing there couldve been something done to prevent that isnt an excuse, but some folks dont seem to understand that, and jump to assuming that the belief is 'the perpetrator is a victim too, actually'. it cant always work, i cant say for absolute if therapy wouldve prevented her behavior, if to an extent to at all, but that possibility exists, and wishing it couldve happened isnt wrong or somehow detracts from how i was hurt this reaction will differ per victim, it can change with time (i know there was certainly a point where i held much more vitriol towards her and had far less sympathy for how things happened for her prior to the abuse), but i think consideration towards the benefits of preventative measures is important. we cant just dog the bounty hunter our way outta predators existing, theres no secret monster gene we can just eliminate from the gene pool with enough prison sentences. its just that when damage is done that that gets more attention than the potential of someone to harm (at least on average, some folks are real keen on believing that getting rid of drag queens will make a substantial change to csa rates). violence garners more eyes and movement than all the numbers of people who couldve done such violence without help they got, and nuance as a whole is rarely considered in the face of horrors that certain people wish to make entertainment out of
Australian here. I've never seen an episode! And it's never been on Australian T.V. But even though I live at the arse end of the World, I know, shit everyone down here knows what it is. What it does, what it means to "take a seat."
Kiwi living in Aussie here. Do you think we know about it from clips or segments on 60 Minutes? The South Park episode? I ask because it's weird, you're right, everyone here knows what "take a seat" means, know the show without ever having seen it.
@@mattgilbert7347 we know all about irrelevant american pop culture because we're constantly bombarded with it. having said that, i know about this show because of references to it online.
You can buy a house as long as you aren't within your state's distance limit of a school, park, or religious institution. Most states have it 500 - 1000 feet away. Obviously this does nothing to stop the problem and is just a meaningless restriction. Some states are even dumber, and apply it retroactively. This means that you can be living in a house for 25 years, but they build a park next door, and you are forced to move.
Sort of about the house. It's a workaround. A lot of authorities - not just state, but at a more local level - really want to ban all sex offenders entirely. But they can't, because the offenders have actually served their sentence and been released - an outright ban would be constitutionally questionable, as it's imposing additional punishments that have not been handed down by a judge for a specific crime in accordance with law. Such an attempt would almost certainly be ruled unconstitutional. So instead states and cities will pass laws to 'protect children' that are intentionally impossible to comply with, in the hope that offenders will leave the area rather than meet some conditions that are by design unattainable or dangerous. For example, there might be exclusion zones - a sex offender may not live or work within so many feet of a school, park, or religious institution. May also include other venues likely to attract children, like shopping centers or arcades. Or even (in Florida) school bus routes. But... how many churches does a typical US city have? How many schools? With a long enough radius, entire cities are blanketed by exclusion zones. Mission accomplished: The unwanted are driven away. This lead to the infamous Julia Tuttle Causeway sex offender colony in Florida - an informal congregation of sex offenders living underneath a bridge, because it was the one spot in an area of multiple counties that wasn't within at least one exclusion zone. There was literally no-where else for them to live. Eventually it was closed down when Florida got decided something had to be done and started arresting them for illegal camping. Another approach is requiring offenders inform every other resident within a certain radius, in person - go around to all their neighbours and explain, in person, "I'm a sex offender and I'm living down the road from you, here's my address." It puts the offender in an impossible situation: Either they do so and end up getting beaten to a pulp by a vigilantee mob, or they try to live quietly and get arrested. Again the intent is that the offenders do neither of these, but instead leave the area. But it's hard for them to leave when they will face the same problem anywhere else in the country.
@@vylbird8014I wish that the lawmakers would be honest about what the s offender registry means for them. I find this level of dishonesty annoying imo.
@@Dave102693 The US's system of government often pits different levels against each other, so you end up with oddly-formed laws like that. The state governments can be in direct opposition to the policies of the federal government, the city governments can be against the state, and all of them are trying to weasel their way around court rulings. So it's common to get such strange things as sanctuary cities, where the city has laws that prohibit police from enforcing certain federal laws. Or many state laws that tried to prohibit abortion indirectly, by making the procedure subject to regulations too stringent to practically meet - imposing unnecessary ultrasounds, requiring a full emergency surgical theater just to consume a pill, or requiring facilities adhere to bizarre building codes. And there's a whole mess of laws passed in the south after desegregation that were just intended to give the police an excuse to arrest any black people they wanted.
Love your channel and this series! But I'm gonna be honest, you already knew this video was getting demonetized, you really didn't have to use the goo goo ga ga baby self censorship language. You're making a video where Child Sexual Assault is a forefront topic. Say pedophile. Say rape. The ability to say these words in the context of these issues is very important.
blame youtube and also things like tiktok and the shorts format. Most youtubers take segments out of their videos to create shorts which is kind of a mandate by youtube, same shorts can be used on tiktok. Both have autobans or demonitization on these topics. Also blame advertisers and companies who demand the restrictions. Hell Only Fans was almost closed because banks refused to do business with them.
First time I've watched a video from this dude and it's going to be my last! He's giving me proper pedo vibes...why else is he low-key sticking up for these pedos?
you overly simplied the mcmartin case... and schizophrenia patients get enough shit for just existing. doesn't help that in general neurodivergent folks are both more often victims of violence and have harder time being taken seriously while reporting, let alone getting justice. recently a polish youtuber got laughable sentence for using someone with mental disability in a humiliating video...
So was he supposed to not mention that she was mentally ill? Her schizophrenia is one of the direct causes of her false accusations. It's one of the sad realities of the disease. I know one woman who thought her family was poisoning her food. Don't get offended over the truth. It's sad but it is what it is.
People with mental disability honestly have it the worse. Their actions often get misinterpreted and instead of clarifying or even being shown what would be more appropriate they have the book thrown at them because "They should know better.", I get that mental disability is not an excuse, but when you have to literally learn what most people just innately know, it's already hard enough to "know better". Then you have those with impulse control issues that need help in knowing what is not right and learning to control that but instead their thrown out on their own and when they mess up their treated as if they did it with the intent of a evil mastermind. I should know, that was my deal, and it pisses me off to this day that instead of giving help in a way that was effective they tried to punish me as an adult (i was a minor at the time), not that I was any help to my self back then, I barely knew how to process my own emotions, let alone know what is publicly right or wrong.
The schizophrenia is relevant though? They have a disease that by definition makes them believe things that aren't true as a core symptom. It doesn't mean that you should dismiss everything they say out of hand necessarily, but if there is zero evidence to corroborate it and the motives and logistics make no sense, then it's pretty reasonable to assume that they're suffering from a delusion.
I'm dying to talk about The Closer.. it's like they wanted to talk about problems with policing but got distracted by easy cop show tropes? And her love interest dude is made of red flags, but we're supposed to like him? And yet I can't stop watching? Help!!
@@mariecarie1 There's an entire community dedicated to TCAP. I dabbled for a bit but eventually got annoyed by how little the people actually seemed to care about preventing child abuse and moreso just made fun of these guys constantly. It was weird. They talk about these guys like they're movie characters.
I got followed home by two different creeps before the age of 12 at two different houses. Police didn’t do shit- having my older siblings there to form a safety in numbers did. Being stalked as a child really does a number on your view of the world- and I won’t hesitate in saying that poverty was the main cause to put me in the path of dangerous people. I’m not even sure if it counts as CSA even though I was followed home by a van full of games and candy-found out about it after the arrest no way I ever let myself be close enough to see in person.
I find it hard to have any sympathy for Mr Conrad, he was a pedo after all, but I definitely see the case as a perversion of justice. The Swat team really didn't seem necessary, I mean the guy never made any threats to the police or anyone else. They 100% should've just waited and arrested him later, but the need to get it on television to gain popularity was apparently more important. I don't feel bad for Conrad, even if I try to, but the police handled this case very poorly
I can't believe he got a man killed and then sullies his name even today by lying about him having child porn. what an asshole. I'm glad I never watched that show.
the online interactions data is insulting and harmful, talk to women, I don't know any women, early thirties or younger, who didnt get targeted by online harassment or grooming as a teenager or young. Every single person in my circle, when the issue comes up has anecdotes, not of the one time it happened but, the first time, because it was constant. Yes what the show pushed is inaccurate and scaremongering and that is dangerous, but as dangerous is that statistic, it's not a reported crime, when it does cross the line into being significantly harmful, it's almost never reported because children can't report it without putting themselves at risk. It's so common plenty women and girls don't even think of it as criminal or something to report, just how men are and how existing online is.
Yeah that part was kinda bad. I've witnessed it happening personally and have heard SO MANY stories from women I know about being approached by men online, even after they knew that the girl was underage.
Exactly! I had at least two incidents I can remember having adult men approach me when I was 10 or 11 and just because I told my parents not whatever statistical source he's grabbing doesn't mean it didn't happen. The whole downplaying in this video is very uncomfortable, just because the man doesn't show up at your house like in TCaP doesn't make those interactions no big deal or overblown.
The value of To Catch A Predator is getting high with your friends and laughing at the predators' lame excuses while Chris Hansen reads their sexually explicit messages back to them in his nasally voice. That's really it. I never once watched that show and felt good about justice being served or that they were doing important work or whatever.
nope sorry, according to wokescolds you can only either find TCAP funny or consider child sexual abuse to be a serious issue, never both at the same time. because to them any time spent not virtue signalling is a crime against humanity
TH-cam always say “Subscribe to my patreon because there’s no way this video is going to be monetize” 25 minutes and 5-6 non skippable ad’s later… Yeah I’m thinking this is monetized
@@goatpriestess1202 That does happen but often youtubers say use the excuse of “subscribe to my patreon because this video is definitely getting demonetized“ regardless of whether it’s being monitzed or not. I don’t blame the TH-camrs for doing that because it’s a job and their goal is to earn as much money as possible. But there were at least 3 if not 4 times in this video specifically where he advertised his patreon using that line.
@@coldburn9956 I mean, they don't know when recording if it will actually stay monetized. Given the subject matter, it's kinda safe to assume it won't stay monetized, and if this is your only source of income...
You make some good points here, and I enjoy your series on copaganda. But Bill killed himself. He was his own executioner. Not the state, not the cops, not Chris Hansen. It feels kinda slimey to say anything different Bill Conradt is not a martyr to be mourned, nor are any of the other dudes caught in this show. Just because TCAP is trashy and Peverted Justice is weird, doesn't mean we should feel anything for these guys.
@@bacon6364I agree that TCAP essentially pushed this man over the edge. But what is your suggestion? Do we literally need to protect predators to minimize the risk of them offing themselves?
@@bacon6364 Why yes, if he hadn't got caught doing this with someone he believed was a child, he might not have committed suicide. What an enlightening thought 🙄
@@bacon6364 Bill was a full-grown adult who wanted to hurt children. He got caught and didn’t want to reap the consequences of his actions. Am I supposed to cry for him?
@@bacon6364 He did it because he got caught. If the truth of what he did was that bad, who's fault is it really? The person who reports it, or that he'd done something heinous?
>More online predators were arrested for soliciting law enforcement posing as children than actual children Seems reasonable considering that law enforcement has the authority to arrest people where as actual children do not, don't you think? I don't really understand what this statistic proves.
This entire video is kind of disgusting. I sincerely don’t understand what he was trying to accomplish by bringing up that the majority of CSA cases are done between two underage kids. Like, okay? Does that mean we aren’t supposed to go after the people who are legitimately trying to go after children????
@@jimtreebob2096 I thought the video was pretty good overall. The premise of the video is that To Catch a Predator does not protect kids, and it makes a pretty good case for that. I don't know why we are talking about CSA between minors, but fear mongering about stranger danger is nit helping either.
@@jimtreebob2096 The statistic is to prove what I call the White Van Fallacy, see my other comment on this video for an explanation. Basically we are looking for the wrong people, searching for creeps online when the most abusers are more personal. Their family members that are grooming the children in their own families, they are other kids that go to school with the victims, often not realizing what they are doing is traumatizing and harmful, or worse, they know and have no impulse control. They are what are supposed to be pillars of the community, people we SHOULD be able to trust and abuse that. The children statistic is rather to show that this show wasn't dealing with where it happens, and to focus resources effectively we need to stop trying to exclusively find an illusive figure and instead focus on where resources are needed.
It's related to the main point which is about how the show isn’t actually doing much good. It’s fearmongering, spreading misinformation and turning serious issues into entertainment instead of putting in effort to fix the problem. If we want to stop spreading misinformation, we need to have discussions about the actual information. This view of the dangerous stranger going after kids being the most common type of CSA makes it more difficult to adress the majority of CSA cases.
@@Katt1n The point is that shows like To Catch A Predator misrepresent CSA as an issue in order to create an entertaining revenge narrative. It's important to talk about CSA between minors because a lot of people think it doesn't happen and therefore can't recognize or respond to it effectively.
Anyone remember Roy Moore? The District Attorney who almost won the Senate seat in Alabama, on 2018, who was KNOWN to be dating children and was banned from the mall? The result was a Democratic senator winning the seat. All the craziness around certain current conspiracy theories is built on this dramatic idea that predators are all online stalking strangers, and not figures with authority, like family members, cops, church figures. You hit the nail on the head here 1:10:00. And the phrase is, "a bad apple spoils the whole bunch", so one bad apple should not be an excuse for departments to avoid scrutiny. It's a justification for firing the police department, letting state police take over, and then restarting with applicants who pass a background check.
Roy Moore gets worse the more you look at him. He was removed from office for judicial misconduct because he ordered the state to ignore a supreme court ruling he personally disagreed with. Ran for office again, was re-elected, was removed for judicial misconduct for a second time for ignoring /another/ supreme court ruling he personally disagreed with, ran for senate, and finally lost only because of multiple accusations of sexual abuse - and even then was 48% of the vote. The secret to his popularity? He is a very proud and outspoken Conservative Christian, in Alabama. His stunts, though unquestionably illegal to the point of misconduct, were also very popular with voters there. A lot of people in Alabama liked an official who had the confidence to say that any supreme court ruling which contradicts the bible is invalid and should be disregarded.
I liked the video overall but the section kinda-sorta justifying the sexting between adults and the Dateline chat actors is a little gross. An adult engaging in that sort of conversation with someone they believe is a child, and confirm as such even if as stated “they doubted the age gap”, is still gross as hell.
Rewatched that section around 35:30 and yeah I definitely agree that Perverted Justice encourages some weird behaviors from the volunteers, but there needs to be a whole heap of blame on adults who do not immediately reject sexual acts and sexting with someone who they know or believe to be a minor.
Yes! The idea that the fake 13 year olds bringing up not innocent topics means the predator was entrapped is disgusting. It means 13 year olds who do that are asking for it? If a 13 year old begs an adult man online to come f-them, it's okay because 13 year olds aren't supposed to talk like that?
i see where ur coming from, but i dont think the point was to justify. i think it was to show that perverted justice was doing sketchy business. would a predator have gone to the decoy house without being encouraged? maybe. but maybe not. and in the context of entrapment, that maybe not is important eta: if a person is able to pushed or talked into inappropriate behaviors with a child, they are a bad person and are a predator. they are one horny teen away from being a rapist. but i think skip intro was talking about it from a legal standpoint
@@kkhook3 I see that, I just felt he let the perpetrators off light rhetorically. It’s still extremely concerning behavior I’d honestly say from both ends.
@@kkhook3 But is it sketchy when real teenagers act like that? Is it okay because a 13 year old asked for it? Legally, are they asking for it? Was I asking for it when I asked men to come meet me and bring condoms when I was 13? Was not speaking as innocently as adults think a 13 year old should have proof that I deserved it if a man had ever accepted? You can't separate the legal matter in this. If talking like a real 13 year old becomes entrapment when police do it then that means a real 13 year old talking like that legally deserves it.
@@KingNerdius Nope. Not only did _he_ take _his own_ life, *his own actions* led up to that point. Let me guess: You think guns pull their own triggers too? 🤣 ...NGL, your comments across this section have been awfully suspicious thus far.
Not a fan of how it sorta feels like this video is depicting the would be you know whats as victims with no free will who are forced to do stuff. I agree its ineffective, but i am not going to sympathise with that dude who was "exe€uted" (by himself of his own free will)
Yeah, when I first spotted this video I got concerned that it would have similarities to when the BreadTuber EthanIsOnline ridiculed a predator hunter. Ethan was essentially running interference for predators because he wanted to score a point in the left vs right battle. That’s apparently something we need to watch out for in today’s online political debates: people making child SA into an ideological issue.
The partisan hypocrisy of weaponizing statistics to build a narrative is getting pretty lame, especially when the numbers are spun to somehow give sympathy to attempted diddlers for some kind of philosophical high ground.
Love how when I was younger internet safety was stuff like "Never give your personal info, don't talk to strangers online, use an alias on social websites", but then companies realized they could sell your personal info. Also; Back in middle/high school one of my teachers was a pedo, VERY OBIOUSLY too, but he got away with it for so long until he worked at the high school where kids were more aware of his odd behavior. He got fired for screaming at a child to off-themselves and was later convicted of his pedo crimes, I felt bad for his inner group because my sister was friends with one and watched him slowly getting groomed and isolated. Nobody did anything.
I can see the Tubi movie now: She installs spyware on the computer to find out if her kid is talking to strangers online but OOPS, she didn't mention it to her husband and boy is she about to make a much different discovery. Vivica A Fox in "Chat Log".
Its always Vivica A Fox in some tubi mubi. This feels acurate. But an actual good movie about online child predators like this synopsis is "Trust_" its so incredibly resonant with me and actually has somewhat of a realistic character with the dad and the therapist (played by my favorite Viola Davis!)
@@foxxfurrz I absolutely loved Viola Davis in "How to Get Away with Murder" (I know, it was kind of a guilty pleasure but her acting is always superb - she's amazing and terrifying in it, I love it). And thanks for the recommend! It's not surprising someone managed to make an actually compelling story about that kind of situation but I just couldn't help but go straight to the idea of "Hmm, but how would a network like Lifetime handle this subject?"
@@gabby3036 I LOVE "How to get away with murder" As soon as I got netfilx I binged HTGAWM. Its such a good show. Viola's acting is so powerful but as the therapist in "Trust_" she is litteraly the complete opposite of Anneliese Keating. It was actually kinda whiplash for me lol
There are still plenty, in Europe they're even as low as like 40 bucks sometimes (though even I recently had a 250 dollar round trip from Texas to central Mexico). It mainly depends on the city you fly out from and what airline you choose.
I live in the USA, and domestic flights with budget airlines usually cost me like 40 bucks one-way (about $110 with luggage costs added on top). Might depend on where you live and where you're traveling, though.
Mental health professional (w my own lived experience) here, and i'm gonna have to second @mechatiles comment here. This series is so fantastic, and like you say, thorough! It's so rare to find such an ignorant flippant comment like the one you made about schizophrenia here. Yes, it is important to take someone's mental state at the time they made the allegations into account. HOWEVER 1) The article you referenced said that she “was found to have acute paranoid schizophrenia”. What do they mean by that? Found by whom? Found when? Acute during which time? These are all essential questions to answer before overtly discrediting her (and calling her allegations a waste of money). Because the thing people don't get about schizophrenia when they've never spent any time around people who live with the illness is: most people with schizophrenia are not always psychotic! Certainly not always acutely psychotic, because that actually doesn't make sense; if a person's psychosis is that persistent and not responsive to treatment, we call that chronic. But for most, when appropriately treated on medication, through therapy, through abstinence from substances, or just plain old time, they are completely lucid, present, and aware of their illnesses. I have worked directly with many people who sometimes are sick, then they get better. And you know what? The allegations often stay exactly the same when they're well and when they're unwell. Sometimes they get well and take it all back, sometimes they're completely unaware of what's happened and shocked by what they said. But that's simply not always - or even usually - the case. 2) People with mental illnesses - especially the lower prevalence/higher functional impact illnesses like schizophrenia - are far more likely to be victim/survivors of CSA and other similarly abhorrent violations. ESPECIALLY in that era of time when institutionalisation was so common. The kinds (and quantities OH BOY) of abuses that people suffered in the old school asylums/long stay psych hospitals are one of the main reasons they all gradually shut down throughout the 90s. 3) We actually don't know what causes schizophrenia. We don't know what causes most mental illnesses. There are theories that many subscribe to, but just like the "low serotonin levels cause depression, and that's why SSRIs/SNRIs work" theory has been thoroughly debunked after being the accepted wisdom for decades, so it may be for the dopamine theory of schizophrenia any day now. Doctors and psychiatrists act like they know things like this for certain, but they don't. You just have to have a tremendous ego to endure the training required to become a psychiatrist, so most of them are pretty arrogant about things they should actually be humble and honest about. I mean, #notallpsychiatrists realistically, but yeah, ego in psychiatry is a thing. Anyway, my point is: what we do know are the risk factors for developing a psychotic illness, and trauma like CSA is right up there alongside having a parent with a psychotic illness. So what i'm getting at is: not only can people with schizophrenia make accurate, honest, reality based allegations of CSA, but they are more likely than the general population to have suffered from it, AND evidence suggests that CSA (and similar) trauma actually makes someone more likely to develop schizophrenia in the first place. I don't know this particular story super well, it may very well be that this person who made the allegations in the McMartin case was either acutely or chronically unwell and making non-reality based statements due to their psychosis. But you can't just hand-wave away a person's reports because they suffer from a certain illness. That's ableist, and I've been watching your work for long enough to know that YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS. Maybe this would be a cool thing to address in a copaganda video on portrayals of mental illness? Just an idea lol! Thanks for reading, love your work ❤️
Where the hell can I find someone like you to talk to? I've had nothing but harmful ego driven shitty therapists so much it's turned me completely off of therapy
I know the story. She said that the male preschool teacher at her toddler's daycare was putting stuff in his rectum as part of some kind of elaborate Satanic ritual. A doctor examined the toddler and found slight irritation at the anus because the mom was prodding and touching it so much but no evidence of any actual penetration like she was claiming. As time went on the things she was alleging got more and more elaborate, bizarre, and logistically improbable to impossible. It was pretty obviously a case of paranoid delusions.
@@mariusvanc grinder has less predation than Facebook, which had gotten busted and had kilobytes of CP on multiple group chats on it What Im saying is that it's weird that the dude heard pedo and decided a dating app which is for adults, marketed at adults, and has a warning when you open it to sign up it's 18+
@@frakismaximus3052 yeah, exactly. The logic of trying to catch pedos on an app half the size of tinder and with an 18+ or get banned rule is flawed Unless you think gays are predators
"Lying about fentanyl" tell me you've never been around fentanyl addicts without telling me. I'm increasingly annoyed by content creators who are completely detached from a subject, yet speak on it with absolute confidence because they saw a video about it once.
I feel like the misunderstanding and disregard for SA with the public is best evidenced whenever an argument about the age of consent and "barely legal" baiting starts on the internet, because its so blatantly obvious that an adult courting an adolescent or teenager is wrong, but no one really considers WHY. For instance a character in Mihoyo's recent new release ZZZ being 18 yet also still in highshool spawned some back and forth about the sexualization of minors. Now this is just a character but these debates around legality, Romeo and Juliet clause, and worst of all personal accountability of real victims of SA are just as common. Because all forms of SA are terrible but people refuse to wrap their heads around them unless is straight forward. Child Predators will argue about the age of development. Victim blamers will argue that a "young woman" should have known better because she was 18. And when both people are teenagers, maybe one just over 18, it gets muddy, but several victim blamers will excuse abusive behavior because the abuser just "made a mistake". The thing is, 18 isn't some magical number at which a switch flips in someone's brain to achieve mental maturity, the brain keeps developing until 25. No, the age of consent is exactly what it says, its the age in which a person finally achieves the right to give consent to other consenting adults... CONSENT is the key word, and the assault it the robbing of said consent. So SA is a form of exploitation, people often imagine it as purely physical and violent, but it can be quid pro quo, a verbal threat, getting you under the influence. It is effectively someone leveraging authority or power above you to rob you of consent. When you understand that, you understand that the age of consent is just detailing ONE SPECIFIC but all encompassing form of exploitation, that of the inherent authority of adults over children. And why does that legal separation of adult and child exist? Because we collectively decided that during the growing and learning process that children and teens needed to be a protected class, they wouldn't have the responsibilities of adults, but also not have the burdens. Their rights are different and it creates a power AND responsibility for the adults around them. And its those lack of rights that make it an all encompassing rule, not just because a teenager might lack the mental maturity to decide they're in love with a 24 year old, but because that 24 year old has a responsibility to not exploit what little extra authority they have being on the other side of the breach. (When you consider the fact that the age of consent effectively comes packed in along with all of the other protections we RIGHTFULLY give children, its also makes it blatantly clear why the same people who want to abolish child labor laws have some weird fucking views about child marriage, what is or isn't grooming and sexualization, or just... don't respect women in general) Its is for these reasons that I feel people misunderstand metoo and victims who come out later. As outsiders they're looking for the creepy 30 year olds picking out children. They're looking for signs of physical assault. So when they hear that one teenager badgered another for nudes and shared them with friends, or that a 27 year old influencer drove an 18 year old fan to their apartment with no way home, people are so quick to say "WAS IT REEEEEAAAALLY that bad?" "Did the abuser really do anything wrong?" "You can't RETROACTIVELY decide you didn't want to screw a guy and then call him out for it". The don't consider that kids can abuse other kids, and they don't respect adults (mostly women) who come out about the ways their boss made advances at them or made promises for favors, or the college student who got too close to her professor. It all comes from a lack of understanding about SA, and that's partially informed by sensationalist media like this, but is also just from a reluctance to deal with these issues. Its so much easier to categorize the "simple, innocent misunderstandings" vs the "literal demons", than it is to understand that people hurt each other in terrible, irreparable ways... and sometimes the perpetrator doesn't even realize they did anything wrong. And our system should be educating, reprimanding, and punishing to sufficient reasonable extent... not turning people into social pariah's and then demanding a public execution.
Fun fact: we don't actually know that the brain stops developing after 25. We only know that it keeps developing until *at least* 25. The study just didn't go any further than 25 because they didn't have time. For all we know, the brain keeps developing in little ways your whole life!
Thank you! Idk why people get so hung up on the age of consent. You're not magically some fully functional adult with full blown emotional intelligence once you turn 18. I am not trying to be the "age is just a number" guy, but people put such a HARD line on it it is crazy.
the way I see it, at 18 you've spent your whole life being treated as less than human, having your bodily autonomy violated for others' convenience, going, eating, and sleeping where and when you're told. brain development or no brain development, that's a vulnerable position to be in and accept as normal, and the idea that you and your decisions deserve respect can take years to internalize.
when I was 15-16, I had joined public discord servers trying to make friends and would get 1-2 creeps a month trying to message me, usually opening with asking for pictures. I would block them after the first message and I don’t consider myself a victim of csa but I think there is a large downplay of how creepy people can be online.
@@zerodollarbird They didn't decide anything. He could have not done it. He could have faced the punishment for his actions. They weren't mind controlling him. He bought it upon himself, he did it himself.
I clicked on this video hoping it was actually a deep dive into the issues of the topic, and not just political propaganda. To save you the length of the video. -TCAP tried to sting a guy at his house due to not getting him to come to their set up decoy house, and he commited sucide when the swat came into his house. -TCAP was more about television clicks, than actually solving issues. (Obviously it is a TV show) -The tail end starts randomly delving into trashing the right wing due to some select people with no actual sources cited for that tangent.
@@ParakeetDSi I agree with a lot in the video, it has nothing to do with my beliefs. I am not right, or left wing. I like aspects of both sides, and dislike aspects of both. But this video is both extremely biased (Which I can't fault as I am not familiar with Skip Intro. He probably caters to a specific audience that doesn't care about a strong bias.), and it is clearly propaganda.
@@KingNerdius That is the nature of a TL:DR. However if you actually look at the sources for the video the evidence is weak second source information, and there are no sources after he drops the the topic of TCAP.
The fact that the pedo cops said he would go back in time and do everything differently, then followed it up by saying he wouldn't have been a cop instead of saying he wouldn't have engaged in pedophilic behavior actually shocked me, but it shouldn't have. If they aren't breaking the law themselves, they're ignoring or covering for coworkers who are.
This reminds me of the Episode of George López. Max meets a girl online and George thinks it's a predator posing as a girl, only for the girl's dad to think the same thing about Max. Culminating in the dads arranging a meet up to catch the other one. A comedy of errors ensues.
I am sick of people bringing up the death penalty. One ending himself to avoid consequences, or just accepting the act itself as a consequence, is not the death penalty. He took the easy way out. Nobody asked him to. He figured the punishment would be worse.
He would have known the exact penalties and crimes he would be charged with. If he killed himself, he knew that it was a different kind of punishment and clearly wanted death more than the truth,
Everything was great until the part basically saying "look at this poor adult getting manipulated into commenting CSA by who he thought is a child", having a hate boner for the police doesn't mean saying stupid shit to justify it
Its hard to explain. This video almost has a tone of sympathy toward these guys who are willingly engaging in a super sus conversations with minors and a hatred for law enforcement who are quite frankly, in over their heads with the amount of predators out there..... This feels very weird.
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IF IM NOT MISTAKEN CHRIS HANSON HIMSELF WAS ALSO CAUGHT IN A SEPERATE STING YEARS LATER
When I worked from home but had slow Internet, I would leave fhe TV on, with nothing much to watch. The episode you're describing was part of a one week "To catch a predator" special BUT Chris Hansen hosted only 4 nights, Friday night's host was a woman (I forget who) and I swear that I am not exaggerating, it was on TH-cam for years; the "love story of Mary Kay Letourneau and Vili Fualaau".
When he was 12 and she was his 34 year old teacher, she began a sexual affair with him.
I'm not kidding when I said that Chris Hansen hosted 4 nights of angry schlock with idiots implicating themselves and a 180 degree turn for the "love story"on Friday night.
What is odd is that when I finally complained on the TH-cam upload (they either took it down or just blocked ir from me), I saw a great many comments that basically said what the host said; "wonderful, etc.". Truly bizarre.
I don't have time to watch this video but you and everyone should know.
Fun fact, I was a PA and an extra on Tahara. I literally did a double take seeing myself and friends in the background of the clips you posted, cool to see this film getting more traction!
I highly recommend the PSA short movie "Tricky People, Yello Dyno" It teaches kids that "tricky people" are not only strangers and that they can be trusted people in power too. I was shown it in elementary school and I will sing its praises until I die.
49:26 have you ever heard of first amendment auditors? DA offices are public buildings. Cameramen could've totally filmed in there, as it's public.
It's odd to me how a lot of the predators would say how they watched the show and suspected that it was a trap
Well, think of it this way: Everyone has seen or heard of the show. Would you want to be the idiot caught on a well known TV show on its 2nd or 3rd season?
there was no social media back then, people were spending time in chatrooms and posting on online forums. what were the odds the chatroom had a to catch a predator decoy present? most people don't like to even consider getting caught
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@davidlin3257 hi David!
Reminds me of how every time I've been to jail, they just watch Cops in the day room. It's nice to be represented in media i guess 😂
I'm glad I'm not the only one bothered by how protecting kids is treated like a form of entertainment and not due diligence of adults
I don’t care why they’re stopping child predators as long as someone’s doing it 🤷♀️
@@Yellowc0ldI understand the sentiment, but the why is also important.
The biggest issue for me is that a lot of people who watch these shows could care less about protecting children. What they DO care about is inflicting harm on a socially acceptable target.
@@beanieguitarguy4070 well it's better than targeting kids
@@Yellowc0ldif they're making money off of predators they wouldn't wanna reduce their numbers
My mom works in a kindergarten in Norway. Once a year, they have a CSA learning day.
They play age-appropriate animated videos, they talk about bodily autonomy, and put focus on how family members often are the culprits. They tell the kids that even if you love your dad / grandpa / uncle / aunt / whoever, you don't deserve to be treated that way, and they dispel the common threats often used to make kids stay quiet. My mom says it's the worst day of the year and the staff are always sick to their stomachs, but it's an important topic.
I believe the same education is also now a part of our puberty and s3x-ed classes both in elementary and middle school. Unfortunately, we still don't have a proper consent law, so only 1% of SA leads to conviction.
Well we do have consent laws here in the US and we have a whopping 2% conviction rate
We also can’t have sex education in the US because a certain group of people claim it’s pornography.
Stuff like that isn't allowed in the US because of opposition from abusive parents. If a kid knows the medical terms for their body parts it is easier for them to tell another adult what happened and have them understand it.
Also, they dont want kids knowing that they have the right to say what they do and don't want when it comes to their body. Stuff like forced hugs with family members they barely know aren't possible when a kid speaks out and refuses to do it. Which would look "bad" because then your child looks disobedient to others.
Which is absurd to begin with but it is the truth. I've had to suffer through it and even as an adult was scolded for hitting away my father when he touched my without permission. Since I'm still expected to just accept everything family does to me.
I'm lucky that no one in my family was a pdf because if they were I wouldn't have had any help from the rest of the family and would have been told I'm in the wrong.
@@thatonedog819 well yeah, but that's the case for like everything in the US. the shit people get away with is crazy
Of course Scandinavia is doing it better. OF COURSE.
first thing my parent said when i told them i was a survivor of csa was "how? i knew every adult you were ever with". and they are a smart and thoughtful parent! but this narrative is so pervasive that it's genuinely blinding for people
People seem to forget that 90% of sexual assaults are perpetrated by family and friends, only 10% are strangers
I think, almost counterintuitively, if you can think of all child predators as these monsters that hide in dark corners of the world, it feels safer than thinking that the people you love and trust can be someone that does one of the worst things imaginable to your child. There's a reckoning that comes with that as well, if the person that harms your child is someone you've taught that child they can trust, I imagine it could ignite some feelings of guilt that could be difficult to deal with. Sorry you went through that
@@evintydeThere is a lot of effort that goes into demonizing the "other" as being responsible for bad things happening. Framing mentally ill people's (often toxic or damaging but non-malicious) defense mechanisms as calculated abuse by barely-human monsters, attributing predatory behavior to minorities or strangers, or even normalizing harmful behaviors as "well, everyone does that, it's socially acceptable".
It's all to give people a false sense of security. Often, it's so people can convince themselves "I could never do that! I'm a good person. I couldn't be responsible for anything like that."
@evintyde that's something I haven't thought of, it makes a lotta sense though
damn i was assaulted by someone my age and told my dad years later and he went “that’s bad that shouldn’t have happened” lmfao
As a victim of abuse when I was a kid, cops didn't help. More funding of abuse victims shelters and foster care systems would have helped!
From all the personal stories I hear about foster care and shelters I am not so sure.. I am so sorry about your experiences
more funding is one piece of the puzzle, imo oversight is needed even more than funding, the social system for minors and foster systems are terrible in both Canada and the US with a serious lack of oversight along with plenty of other issues.
same. Even child psychologists instead treated me like a liar.
@renalanf0rd that's because they are underfunded and underlooked at because cops take all the spotlight of how things should be fixed.
Cops are useless Almost always .
Its comforting for people to think of CSA perpetrators as strangers. It means that the problem is *them,* its *those people.* It means they don't have to confront that one uncle everyone knows not to leave alone in the same room as a kid. It means people don't have to ask questions about the sports coach, the youth pastor, the over familiar teacher.
Hating pdf files is easy when they're monsters in the darkness and much much harder when they're someone you know and trust.
YUP
Underrated comment.
Facts. Grew up learning one of my "uncles" raped my dad. Why tf was thay man allowed around us? Why do adults fail us like this?
I recently found out one of my long-time friends was convicted of possessing CP. it’s truly heartbreaking, confusing, and all around hard to navigate. It’s a loss of a friend. It’s hard to grieve that but still know how awful they were
I don't care if they are someone I know, if they are a pdf, their pronouns should become was/were
I really appreciated the discussion regarding CSA committed by other kids; I suffered SA by 5 of my classmates when I was 13 and it's such a frustrating topic of discussion because NO ONE believes, or wants to believe, that children can be capable of that type of harm. So thank you for contextualizing those feelings and talking about a really misunderstood issue ❤
I’m sorry this happened to you and I know it won’t be able change what you experienced but I hope it brings you some peace to know that as a teacher I received training this week to tackle CSA. Both preventing it from happening or in the occasions it does happen how to support a victim in my capacity as a teacher. We believe young children no matter who or how young the perpetrator may be.
I hope you have a peaceful week ❤
i’m so sorry that happened to you and in an attempt to empathize i want to share i had a similar experience at 15 with one peer at my high school obtaining inappropriate photos of me and sharing with all of their friends online and in person at school. it was to the point where i was harassed and still have no idea how many individuals possess these photos or have seen them at some point. and i had no idea how to handle it so i kept it to myself even now in my early 20s. i do think people don’t talk enough about this kind of CSA and how extremely isolating it can be as well.
Wow, that's awful!
Also I definitely believe you, who tf would make smtg like that up?
@@SpecialBlanketPlenty of people would, how old are you lol
parents would rather believe theres rapists and predators are lurking around every corner online and the only way to stop them is to police and surveil their childs online activity... rather than creating a trustful and caring enviroment not matter what, teaching that child that no means no with physical touch no matter what (like they dont have to kiss that aunt or give that hug to their grandpa) and believing them if they do report and showing support to victims generally
I'm 25 and my mom taught me sex ed starting at 6 and always told me that I don't have to hug or kiss anyone if I don't want to. It sometimes surprises me how ahead my mom was of the curve with all this stuff. Love u mom
This predates the internet. The fear about Stranger Danger was a panic long before it went online - back then it was rumors that so-and-so heard a kid was abducted by a stranger in a van outside school, or did-you-hear-about the pervert offering children sweets to go back to his car? Funnily enough it was never about a person the child actually knew - always some mysterious other adult.
@@vylbird8014 The fact that the same false narratives is STILL being pushed by the media for now near 4 decades despite many experts like the one interviewed openly told them it's not only wrong its extremely dangerous to push shows how much the media wants to push this as fear mongering
Right? Being taught about consent would have been so immensely helpful for me. It was always "Don't let anybody touch you!" but in practice I was ALWAYS expected to touch/be touched by everyone. "Give grandma/grandpa/your brother a hug." When a classmate finally touched me inappropriately, I didn't say anything for months, maybe years. Their words didn't matter because their actions contradicted them.
This. Most kids go to predators because they parents neglect them. But they dont want they conversation
I have my gripes with this video, but it upsets me that a huge chunk of the comments appears to miss the point….entirely. The issue here is not with whether it’s sad that a guy killed himself or whether we should feel bad for people who diddle kids. The issue here is with creating and even manufacturing entertainment from a revenge fantasy for adults and pretending it was for the security of children, all while actively misrepresenting of how SA actually occurs. There is a reason people learn criminology and law before they can embark on “catching predators”. These people think they are The Punisher.
the internet shows us the lack of intellect and comprehension retention of the average person and it’s scary
I've gotten some shit for saying this but personally I don't think it's EVER okay to tell someone to kill themself or justify them doing so. You can be happy they're gone without being a dick to the family that is going to be grieving over a lost love one. There is nothing more heartbreaking in the world than watching someone screaming at a funeral asking why their mom/dad/sister/brother/daughter/son chose to end their own life.
@@expensivepink7having a job working closely with random people all day. There are so many people that have made me question how they have managed to just keep themselves alive... it's honestly baffling and makes me wonder how they go through life day to day.
Facts
Except the police aren't accomplishing ANYTHING, and the entertainers are. If it's not profitable it won't work. Welcome to capitalism.
We live in a society where children face harsher punishment for boundaries they can't fully understand, while cops get little to no punishment for doing more inappropriate behavior, while holding more power and knowing those boundaries
Meme brainrot seems to linger forever
I literally laughed at the first five words of your comment before actually reading the rest that my mind replaced with "bottom text"
This is starting to be worrying.
@@homeopathicfossil-fuels4789 this might be the sign to touch some grass.
No. Those "children" are old enough to hurt someone (and don't be stupid- a boy old enough to pressure someone for nudes KNOIWS DAMN WELL it's wrong.) Quit forgiving shitty male behaviour.
@@StrayDogsTerritory oh trust me i touch grass on a daily basis but i should probably up the dose
Yeah... this reminded me of an incident that occurred at my high school some odd 10 years ago, a kid streaked at a football game as a prank and was placed on the local sex offender registry for exposing himself inappropriately in public. He killed himself two weeks later. It was a harrowing thing. Didn't hurt anyone, was just being dumb and 15 and then couldn't see a way to continue onward.
In the US, we only pretend to care about children under one scenario.
Exactly! We have the highest child mortality rate in the developed world, and then we make a big show about protecting our kids by punishing perps to the full extent of the law and putting them on useless registries that almost not other country in the world uses.
@@76678-mhighest child mortality rate?
@@KingNerdiusin the developed world. Yes.
@@76678-m that’s not a real stat
Who's "we"? Speak for yourself.
29:43 I remember once a coworker of mine complained that her nephew refused to let her kiss him on the cheeks because his mom told him it's okay to say no to someone who wants to kiss/hug/touch him. I struggled to word a response to explain that it's a *good* thing to teach kids about consent and unwanted touching without her thinking that I was calling her a pervert for wanting to kiss family. I mean, I *did* think she was being rude and disrespectful by trying to invade the personal space of a child who had told her "No," but you can't say that to people of her generation without them freaking out...
There are a ton of people who think consent regarding bodily autonomy is only for things that are sexual in nature, and that non-sexual physical contact with people you know and especially are related to is just, fair game. To put up walls regarding it makes you cagey, stand-offish, rude, disrespectful.
@@tinfoilslacks3750 yeah, those people need to realize it was never “okay” to violate someone’s space like that, it was just their culture that made them think setting boundaries was rude.
@@KomoliRihyohboomers truly are vile, gross, extremely self centered people.
Every time i learn anything about the 80s i just think "Damn son leaded gasoline for decades fucked people all up"
Except Ian Mackaye. He's the exception. Bro is a legend.
@@Based-Anarcho-Syndicalist-Chadleave it to Based Anarcho Syndicalist Chad to bring Ian McKaye into things at the mere mention of the 80s
I know you're joking but it's 10000% true. Lead in their toys as kids too. It was everywhere. Gen X and Boomers are liquid brain anymore.
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It's just what I do🙏
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It's just what I do💪😤
I face CSA at home with a step father who was an ex-cop. Didn't look a damn thing like the predator on cop tv shows. Go figure that people still don't believe it.
Same, minus the cop thing
Find peace, friends. I believe you!
@@helix33933 thank you, kindly 💜
I completely understand, for me it was my local dispatcher mother who was the rapist. It’s frustrating how people only ever believe it if they “look like a predator”, and definitely not when they are involved in law enforcement.
I’m sorry you went through that too, I hope you find peace❤ you’re doing great❤
@@briarcook8855 The way I see it: the more people who see THIS video, and read YOUR stories, the better. People need to start waking up -- it is the first step towards true change.
My condolences to you, my brother/sister in humanity. If I could hug you though this screen, I would.
It’s no way it’s only 5% dude. You’re telling me you NEVER got weird DMs or chats as a kid from older men??
i think it’s more accurate to say that any online p*dophilia makes only 5% of any LEGAL cases. which mostly shows how much of it never makes it to court. online grooming IS a huge issue but has much lower legal ramifications due to the laws and justice system being inflexible to the online environment.
No, I have NEVER had someone coerce me. However I did get hit on by and older woman once. I am only one person tho, however very few of the people I know were chatted up by predators, often it was just kids their age and they knew being crude.
@@sterlingodeaghaidh5086 All of my friends have atleast one experience interacting with a p3d as a child online
@@UdoADHD ofc he's downplaying it lmfao, i mean look at him
It’s probably closer to like 90%. I remember getting dick pics in my dms in 6th grade
I’m a survivor of both kinds of childhood sexual abuse. At 7, I was raped by a stranger in the neighborhood. 5 years later, my father got drunk for 4 days to build up the courage to attempt to rape his 12 yo daughter. (Remember, they don’t do it bc they’re drunk/high; they get drunk/high so they can do it.) I’m aware of how rare stranger child rape is. I guess I’m a kind of unicorn-hope so anyway. Family, be good to yourselves today, whether you’re a survivor or not. Remember to be gentle w yourselves and be your own best friend. Hang in there 😘
You're amazing, thank you for sharing your wisdom. Be well
Oh wow....I'm so sorry. You deserve all the grace to give. ❤❤
i'm sending you hugs 💜
You are so strong to have kept on living through those horribly traumatic experiences😭 Unfortunately so many people have to learn to live with horrible trauma. Not trying to downplay your experience at all or try to imply it's at all ok because a lot of people have been through similar things. It is not ok, but it's inspiring to hear that you seem to be doing ok. it's so sad that people even have to go through such pain & trauma when we as humans actually have the power to make the world such a better place for all if we would just work together & not try to keep one-upping others at the expense of so many things we should hold dear & sacred. Thank you for these words, truly I really needed to hear this because I am struggling to be gentle & kind to myself and navigate all the demons I carry. I promise I will keep trying to hang on. Best wishes 💖
"(Remember, they don’t do it bc they’re drunk/high; they get drunk/high so they can do it.)"
Never really thought of it like that, but it makes a lot of sense
The amount people think I’m okay with CSA because I talk about prevention before the crime is committed is so so tiring.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
Depends on what you consider to be prevention, like monitoring what people are wearing.
What exactly do you mean by "preventing"? Please don't tell me you're victim blaming children or advocating for a sexual police state...
@@jazmineraymond7495Literally no reasonable and intelligent person would think that policing attire is a form of csa prevention 😂??? Clearly education and awareness is what they are referring to.
idk I might have read that wrong
@PunishedFelix prevention as in educating people on things like how to interact with others online. How to know if someone is trying to grooʻm you. How parents can better check in on their kids. Signs of sa. Etc.
Theres more to prevention and not what youre thinking of lol to ease ur anxiety
I can 100% confirm that age-appropriate education protects kids & should be standard practice. It protected me from potential CSA when I was 5.
My mom sold Discovery Toys at the time, and one of their products was musical recording called Safety Kids, which used songs to teach preschool and little kids safety lessons they could sing along to, and better remember.
Songs ranged from teaching you to memorize your home phone number, telling you to look for a "grandma or mom with children" if you got lost and separated from your parents, to scream and draw attention if a stranger grabbed you and tried to take you, and similar safety lessons. They used drama and music to make it easy for little kids to understand.
One of the songs ('Stay Outside of My Line or I'll Tell On You') taught kids there was an invisible line around their body and if any adult "came inside your line" by doing something that scared you, you needed to get help and tell about this right away. My mom played this tape at sales demos all the time, and she had no idea little me was listening to it and learning all the songs, but I was.
My grandma had a new boyfriend and they left him in charge of watching me (at age 5) at a craft booth while my mom and grandma both left the booth together to explore the fair. Suddenly my mom heard her name being paged on the PA to come to security and they found me there, hysterical and crying. Apparently I'd screamed and ran to a "mom with kids" and asked her to please help me find my mommy.
When mom asked me what was wrong, I pointed to my grandma's boyfriend (who I was left alone in the booth with) and all I could tell her was, "he came inside my line, mom! He came inside my line!!" Of course, my mom knew what that meant.
I was never left alone with the guy again and my grandma dumped him right away. I realize CSA situations are more complicated when its someone the child knows and trusts, and that can make it hard to know who to safely tell and report to. But I strongly believe the sooner education begins and it doesn't have to be complicated for preschoolers, I understood enough at 5 to make my message clear, more kids would be protected sooner in life, decreasing their vulnerability.
Wow. I'm so glad you had that resource and it's so unfortunate you needed it.
I'm so glad you're talking about CSA that's perpetrated by other children. I was harrassed and assaulted by my best friend when we were both 12 but it took WAY too long for anyone to believe me because we were both boys and I was physically larger and stronger than him. But just like the data shows, I was queer and lonely and he knew he could use that against me
Me too x
Same-ish I am so happy someone finally brought attention to it.
Has nothing to do w size. My best friend was molested by his male best friend and was scared to come out as gay bc of this lest it seemed like "he liked it so much it made him gay"
Me too. Thanks so much for sharing your story. Kinda tearing up rn. I was 4-5 and the kid perpetrating was a year younger and no one ever found out except my friend who was a year older and she treated it like I was the one doing something bad and she used it as a source of blackmail. I often feel like most people think that only CSA perpetrated by adults counts.
Yeah this is something that is understated for sure, I know far too many people who have had it happen to them. In my case it took me years to realize what had happened and honestly I still have trouble considering what happened to be SA but in hindsight can see it's definitely shaped how I view sexual interactions, I'm just lucky that it was far less extreme than many have gone through.
I have to take a break from this video because I was molested at ages 7-8 by someone who was 10-11 and it was 100% vicious and done with the intent to dominate and humiliate me. I hesitate to bring up that my worst predator was also a child because I don’t want it dismissed as “experimenting” or somehow innocent and misguided.
I do believe that growing up in rape culture can lead to unintentional damage but I don’t think of that as abuse. Abuse is intentional and cruel and while I hold compassion for the child who hurt me, I don’t excuse it. She wasn’t dumb. She was smart and savvy and it’s AMAZING how many tactics she used on me that full-on cult leaders use on their victims.
It was incredible and also incredibly sad to see how much rage a ten-year-old child can bottle up and then unleash. Just how unprotected SHE was boggles my mind. Also, I don’t think it did her any favors for people to dismiss her capacity for evil because she was small and cute.
Genuine question, what do you think should have been done to her for what she did to you? I won't argue, I am just curious.
i get you. when i brought up my own child sexual abuse by older boys (also minors) to my therapist she excused it by calling it juvenile curiosity and "playing". victims of minor predators aren't taken seriously unfortunately because these cases are more complex and people usually stop at "kids don't know what they're doing".
i feel like i have to censor my own experiences to be taken seriously because people are uncomfortable thinking about minors committing acts of sexual violence. i'm sorry you have to deal with this shit too.
Child offenders need to be taken seriously, the reason for low recidivism among those that are caught is because those kids are supported out of that behavior. Also, since so many child perpetrators have shit going on in their lives, I'm sure it would adult abusers or neglect going on
@@vodyanoy2 I think enough was done TO her. I think that she should have been a) moved to a safe location and b) gotten some counseling. She lived in a world where anything could be done to her and she could do anything to anyone without any consequences. That’s a terrifying world to live in for a kid. For me, I was in that situation temporarily and I had a mom who, despite her flaws, wouldn’t have allowed herself to “not know” about my abuse. And she wouldn’t let me get away with hurting other people either. Honestly, at that age, just being called out is incredibly effective. To have it verbally acknowledged that it’s not okay for that to happen to you or for you to do that to other people. Something that simple would have changed her entire world view.
@@pory-z Yeah, you can call it play and experimentation when it’s consensual, not coercive. When consent is denied or not optional, that’s abuse. I hate that you went through that too.
Bruh the internet security at my high school was so bad that a dude actually put Halo Combat Evolved on every computer at the same time and we could all play together if the teachers weren't looking. He was crazy shotout Landon H
This also happened at my high school. Every windows Computer had Halo CE
@@SimisearOfficialmy school was pretty cool and we had a publicly available folder with a bunch of games in it.
@@demetriousramirez Same, but instead of a publicly available folder we just asked each other to send game roms to our school profiles. Everyone had a Genesis and/or NES/SNES emulator on their profiles they could fire up as soon as they logged in. XD
Some computers here in Brazil still have horrid security, but now its roblox everywhere rather than doom or halo ce
There's just something about seeing a bunch of kids screaming; 'and it's probably A-Minorrrrrrrrr' that is just absolutely priceless. It's almost enough to make you feel bad for Drake, but not really.
eh, he's a millionaire.
I feel like if this wasn't an election year, this would still be seen as the biggest deal
He takes underground rappers on their come up and locks them in bad contracts forcing them to ghost write for him.
He ain't shit.
@@Veltrosstho We don't call it the "OVO sweatshop" for nothing
Lol😂
as a survivor i'm of the belief CSA doesn't happen because people are attracted to children, but because they have power over a child
It depends. There are PDF files and there are predators. Some PDF files are predators, not all predators are PDF files. And that distinction probably does matter when figuring out how to stop CSA. Treatment for PDF files won't help stopping predators, for example.
yup. that's typically the case with sex crimes.
i'm sorry that happened to you.
Capitalism, 'ever-increasing' productivity, and a deeply ungratifying sexual and romantic marketplace post-globalism leading to a lost for the sexual outlet and power/dominance would probably be the root causes. When nobody wants them, they force themselves upon those who can't refuse.
David finkelhor's book child sex abuse covers some stats on this
Yeah it bothers me how every time CSA is discussed, everyone seems to assume it happened because the perpetrator is attracted to children. This definitely happens, but a lot of cases are opportunistic predators looking to victimise an easy target. It doesn't have to be about attraction. SA is mainly about power and control. See also assault of vulnerable elderly people.
My youngest would yell, "My body, my choice." Whenever an adult tried to hug them, touch them, pick them up without consent. Called her my little consent queen. My parents would force me to sit in the lap of men (often family) with erect!ons. Yeah i made sure my kids had ownership over their own bodies. I'm 47 and can still feel every moment my parents took away my autonomy and forced trauma onto me. The pain ripples are endless. Children remember.
I’m editing this because this deserves much more than a snarky comment about how the world sucks. The amount of stranger danger messaging that has surrounded me all of my life has mixed in with my general paranoia to make it so all of my life I have been incredibly afraid of people and going to the bathroom in public. The rhetoric we use to talk about these things is disgusting and misleading and negatively effects every single one of us. Especially growing up as a woman all you hear is about how dangerous everything and everyone is except for the people around you who are the ones much more likely to abuse you. Instead of learning about consent and how to identify this behavior we are only taught to live in fear and hope we are not abused.
It's 100% intentional programming in the media so that boomers can diddle kids close to them more easily, too.
this!!
agreed
Exactly. And that same misconception is pervasive among police, too. It runs so deep, they basically don't fundamentally grasp the concept of consent between friends/colleagues/classmates/intimate partners.
They're especially blind to complex domestic SA abuse. And they aren't really listening if you try to explain it to them.
I had a step dad who repeatedly tried to convince police to open an investigation after his teenage daughter got assaulted by a young adult man. He scoured the neighborhood for months, and finally learned the man's home address. He knocked, the man's mom answered, and lied to his face for about twenty minutes. When she finally admitted that she did have a son, he matched the description, and he lived there with her. Then she vehemently insisted he moved to Walla Walla and slammed the door shut.
Step dad watched the dude enter the house. He knew he was there. Called the cops again, offered them an easy conviction with a little bow on it.
They patronized him a bit, but made it clear that they were never going to investigate.
The only meaningful response he ever managed to coax out of cops, was when they flat out blamed Him for it. Basically said he should have made different choices as a father, or been psychic, or a paranoid totalitarian.
Imagine looking a distraught father in the eyes, and telling him his kid's PTSD is on him.
The perp had spent months gaining the households trust. He was a family friend. That's why the cops couldn't recognize the crisis or the crime.
@@frostydei5012Cops are so hatable it's amazing.
These youtube pedophile hunter channels are extremely disturbing. Disliking these tactics does not mean you don't want pedophiles caught but this can't be a good way to do it.
Agreed
Exactly! I say anything bad about DAP, Skeet Hansen, or any of the other pred catcher TH-cam shows, or dare criticize any of the useless tactics our justice system uses to address CSA (punitive prisons, the registry, etc.) and people treat me like I’m Larry Nassar. Pred catcher shows do nothing to protect the innocent (ironic considering that’s the name of one of their channels). Often they don’t know how to properly gather evidence or they commit crimes against the perps (e.g., by assaulting them), and courts end up letting them go. DA’s also will refuse to take the cases of perps caught these catchers.
They’re incredibly ineffective, and when people are doing it in the name of God - like the one mentioned in this video - it becomes disturbing.
@@76678-m they're pushing the same "isolated loner" false narratives as those before them
19:22 I'm glad he pointed out the clear racist undertones to this fear mongering
Sounds like something a pedo would say… ;)
(I’m kidding, and I agree with you).
The part about child sexual abuse being perpetrated by other kids... blew my mind, because it's something I don't even consider now as an adult and yet looking back at my childhood, can 100% confirm having seen fellow kids/teenagers do stuff ranging from silly, to stupid to ..'harmful sexual behaviors'. You may not have seen stuff personally, but you've heard about stuff because kids talk. Kids genuinely have no clue, more so when they're not taught about boundaries, consent, or even how their bodies work. Seems like something more sex education, awareness, gender studies, etc can help with, and yet we have people arguing for ...less of this.
I was sa’d by my daycare lady’s son who was just under 2 years older than me so yeah I appreciate that you’re able to recognize that it does happen
"It puts a bad mark on every cop in this country" Yeah I think that's called a badge.
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you are so right
Not enough downvotes
To Catch a Predator may be gone but thank god we have TH-cam predator catchers now! These guys definitely care about the children and are not at all clout chasing influencers! Hell, I remember a few years back in the brony fandom there was this group of self-proclaimed pedo hunters who thought they were on some hind of crusade to purge the brony fandom of predators......until the group fell apart becasue half the members turned out to be grooming kids themselves.
Is this Sarchasm?
@@Sejikan The first part is, op doesn't think youtubers are a good substitute for real investigations.
@@dudeist_priest That's what i was thinking but i wasn't sure
There are several such groups in Colorado. I can’t believe it’s legal!
Half of those groups are filled with self hating preds themselves
The child being put on the registry for pantsing someone is fucking crazy
There's a guy in my city who got 3 years in prison and a lifetime of sex offender registration because he asked a girl 2 years younger than him for nudes. He technically DID break the law but that shit pissed me off so much. He's not a fucking child pornographer.
I thought it was bad enough adult men drunkenly pissing on the street and getting indecent exposure charges that get them on the registry was bad enough, then I learned that and whew...
@@vodyanoy2i know a guy that got that from peeing in public at night
You end up on the registry in some states just for urinating in public, regardless of intent. Homeless and someone sees you peeing next to a dumpster because you've got no other choice? Welcome to the registry in CT
@@AModernRogue Just being homeless is enough to get you arrested these days.
If you go back in the list of moral panics far enough, chess is on there.
Google en passant
Don't know about chess, but off the top of my head in roughly reverse chronological order (some overlap):
- The Groomers (political version)
- Online predators.
- Violent video games.
- Online porn.
- Gangsta Rap
- Video nasties.
- Offline porn.
- The Satanic Panic.
- Rock n Roll
- Second Red Scare
- Comic books
- Gay panic
- First Red Scare
- Penny Dreadfuls
- Masturbation panic
- Literal witchhunts.
- Several centuries of Catholics and Protestants taking turns trying to kill each other.
@@vylbird8014 are tabletop role-playing games like Dungeons and Dragons qualifying under Satanic Panic? I know it's associated with the time
@@GDMendezWrites Yes, that was part of the Satanic Panic. Games with magic and demons in? Obvious Satanism there.
@@supremefenix974 I came across that 1850s newspaper article sometime back. The way the dude writes about chess screams "skill issue"
this episode of skip intro was made for me! I work as a family advocate, interacting with and helping the families of both the CSA victim children and child perpetrators. I'm so glad you talked about this - I've been at my child advocacy center for going on 2 years and I've only seen one case of an unknown assailant, and even then - it was ENTIRELY opportunistic. Every. Single. Other. Child - they knew the person who hurt them. 1 kid in almost 2 years, and at a center seeing nearly 1200 kids each year.
I appreciate your diligence! Thanks for the great video.
thank you for your hard work! 💜
Were there a lot of child perpetrators? Cos the video said 50-75% of cases were and that seems too high
@doopydarp1027 I don't think that number is far off at all. I think people underestimate the ways kids and teens, even unintentionally, can sexually traumatize each other. Siblings exploring and playing house or doctor. An abused child who thought the CSA they experienced was normal, trying to connect to other kids. Teens who haven't received any kind of sex Ed or consent talks. Angry hormonal kids with nowhere to put their energy. Lonely or neglected kids who are trying to find connection, but haven't had education or healthy relationships modeled.
Its very common for me to work several cases of CSA in a row which are all child on child.
@@samjean3007you're awesome thank you for your hard work 😊
@Chuck_EL genuinely it's my pleasure!! Love what I do so much
I was a victim of CSA at 15 by a 14 year old, and I was nowhere near his first victim… it is very common from personal experience that kids are offenders very often
Incredible that your comfort object in the opening therapy scene is your 100k plaque.
I think what Ryan Shields says is critically important, and it also echoed in The Morbid Zoo's takedown of The Sound of Freedom: we wait for the harm to occur before we do something. Conservatives care more about justice porn than they do about protecting anybody.
Morbid zoo mention!!
Morbid Zoo is one of my favorite channels. She makes great shit.
Worse than that--we don't just wait for harm to occur before doing something, some people actively look for ways to inflict harm in the name of "preventing" harm. One of the things that drives me up the wall on this topic is the way some people act around vent art--targeting and harassing _victims of abuse_ because those victims aren't coping the way that "normal" people should, so obviously they must be abusers. Not to mention shit like right-wingers weaponizing the disgust at CSA by claiming that LGBT people are all abusers.
Add to that the problem of trying to _prove_ what harm happened, and the general misinformation around what abuse looks like, and the consequences of failure (both by failing to catch a predator, and by falsely identifying someone as a predator), and...yeah, it's a mess.
@@TehNoobiness It also reminds me of legislation that passes under the guise of problem-solving but actually makes things worse, like SESTA and FOSTA.
@@vodyanoy2 and not shocking Tim Ballard was a sex trafficking predator himself
I dont really think the show killed him. He killed himself because he got caught. He woulda killed himself regardless of who caught him.
Man I have a lot more to say on this topic than TH-cam would allow, but as a Gen Z guy, I think pretty much *every single* girl I knew between ages of 10-15 got groomed on Kik, and tons of them got extorted. I know a lot of people talk about TikTok and IG, but the real one now is Discord. The servers are totally unmoderated and people of all ages hang out in video calls for several hours a day, and at any random time. I used to be in video game servers, and every single server has a story about a former mod who....isn't a mod anymore.
ur right about discord. the fact that u can edit msgs after u send them makes it so keeping evidence is really hard. i think most people who regularly use it have stories to tell about the shit that goes down
can vouch about discord mods, i used to moderate a fairly active roblox server on discord as a minor. i saw about the same amount horrific shit as my mom did during her CSAM identification training as a CBSA(canadian border security agency) officer. so many beheading videos and lolicon videos disguised as memes
One really huge aspect with discord is that when youre a little kid, so much of your time revolves around hanging out with your friends and playing video games, that the moderators have a lot more "authority" than parents realize. I got groomed on TeamSpeak and Skype playing games like Garry's Mod. It was a really bad problem back then, and when Discord came out, it basically combined TeamSpeak AND Skype into a social media that most adults have never even heard of.
Dont forget about Amino! Hell, I was litterally groomed on a minecraft server lmao
Does anyone remember saiko? That was FULL of preda
babe wake up, new skip intro copaganda video just dropped
I can only imagine their disappointment when they saw how weak this episode is.
How is this copaganda if he hates cops
@@jamesrosewell9081 i'm saying it's a new skip intro video on copaganda, not the video being copaganda itself
@@jamesrosewell9081omg you lack literacy and reading comprehension
I was genuinely confused if this was criticizing criticism of police for a bit
So, I'm the survivor of a rather violent CSA at the hands of another child. And this is the first time I've ever heard how statistically common that is. My disclosure at the time wasn't taken seriously, because no one (authority figures, parents, doctors, and therapists included) believed that the perpetrator was capable of such a thing, *due to his age.* To this day, people tend not to believe me, citing the age thing. In weak, terrifying moments, I've worried that I'm misremembering the whole thing. The relief and vindication I feel right now is inexpressible. I'm going to do some more research into this, and hopefully feel less alone. Thank you.
It's common to have those issues (invalidation) when the person who hurt you was closer to your age or a sibling. My sister never assaulted me, just flashed me and made sex jokes about me and made me feel uncomfortable, but she did threaten to kill me and burn our house down and she broke in and I had to call the cops on her (she threw both phones my mom had and gave her a black eye and threatened her with a knife). Even though she was an adult and I was a child, it still feels invalid.
If this were a competition you would win, no denying, but I can empathize with you.
It's wild to me that so many people just refuse to belive that kids are capable of bad things.
As someone who has also been SAd where both me and the person hurting me were kids; it makes sense. Just like he says in the video kids are still navigating the idea of consent and therefore end up crossing lines which means it’s extra important to belive victims in these cases so that proper action can be taken to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Remember that time the police arrested prince andrew
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Silliest, most pedantic comment about your video: The clip you show when talking about Jazz is depicting Balboa and not Charleston. This is not a real criticism, but it gave me an excuse to use my knowledge of swing dancing. lol
I appreciate pedantic corrections personally, so thanks for that (I've been researching swing dancing lately lol).
I can't remember if you mentioned this, but in terms of CSA, a lot of abusers aren't even pedophiles. They're abusing children not out of some mental attraction issue, but becuase they want to abuse their power over someone who cannot effectively resist or complain.
Yeah, "anger" rapists I believe they're called.
@@vodyanoy2 that's redundant. Rape is always about power.
@@carlosa4852 I see this axiom being presented a ton around this topic but I've never particularly understood where it comes from and what it means in a practical sense, do you mind elaborating on it?
(Genuine question from someone who isn't particularly well educated on this sort of topic and doesn't have any practical use for sexuality and the like irl, not dismissing it in case it comes off like that otherwise)
Hey, I work with childhood SA survivors, and while I think most of this video is good, one thing I would edit/think about - saying if an adult is being “pressured” by a kid and therefore does something with SA it’s kinda understandable or not as much the adults’ fault is…not a great message tbh. I know that’s not what you’re intending, but saying it’s equivalent to entrapment is kinda…questionable. I’m not particularly sympathetic to the idea that the kid didn’t seem as “innocent” and therefore the adult’s actions were less despicable. Like, I get and empathize with the point of the video, but the discussion section around the 30 minute mark isn’t great. It implies or outright states that the adults coming aren’t as responsible because the people they thought were kids were being more knowledgeable or suggestive than one would expect. That shouldn’t matter. I’m sorry but that bit is not having great implications to survivors and is relieving people of responsibility for their actions in some pretty awful behavior.
(I hope this came across as respectful and clear).
i see where you're coming from, but i think its also important to point out how the language the decoys use could cause the case to be thrown out because of entrapment
@@runninggeese Especially if they throw out the number "14" once and then act like an adult for the rest of the chat. It's a little eh... idk
@@runninggeese "Could" and *did* are two different things. *Did* any of the charges get dropped because of entrapment? If so, then a discussion can be had. If not, your pondering is worthless.
@@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor Did you watch the video? The answer is yes there was a case thrown out for entrapment.
@@CharlieHolmesT Yes I watched the video, forgive me for not remembering every exact detail. If one got thrown out, then we figure out what set it apart from the others.
My two cousins were molested by another cousin but his Dad was a cop so needless to say nothing was ever done about it.
I've been listening while im driving. I just gotta say that the point you made about the decoys behaving in "not innocent" ways is weird? Correct me if im wrong but to the creeps in the chat they believe they're talking to children. It doesnt matter how suggestive the decoys are being. Any adult who is responsible would disengage.
Literally most decoys would respond with "ok" in the chat logs when the predators would call them pretty or sexy or whatever they had to say. Like almost completely neutral.
It matters less for "moral" reasons and morso for legal reasons. If the decoys were goading the targets on, an entrapment defense would be more likely to be successful.
They also give their age right away in most cases. Some make it incredibly obvious they're still in middle school.
@@happycamperds9917this is whats important- while theyre still creeps for talking with who they believe is a child, these cases have to be handled very carefully, as certain tactics can unfortunately blur the legality of things and make a case for the creep being goaded in. obviously no one will be goaded by a child who isnt already thinking about such acts to some degree, but methods have to be careful as to not allow that wriggle room for such a defense, thus criticism of how the decoys respond is important
oh no.... a PDF file DA unalived himself.... such a sad story....
Oh no... you didn't watch the video before posting an innocuous, snarky comment... Typical day online...
@@JackHarbon I mean the video *is* over an hour long... thats like... a lot if you think about it. I mean we only get 24 of those in a day and yknow most of that is sleeping or school or work.... I mean man we spend so little time making our own decisions... fuck...
@@dreadfulroses That doesn't really mean anything. The fact of the matter is that someone is commenting on something without even knowing the details about it.
@@whirl3690 yeah but like.... man.... time flies by... Man.
@@dreadfulroses you gonna pass that blunt your smokin' or???
Whenever he (forgot his name, the guy that you were talking with) brought up how people often forget/don't think of children being the perpetrator... Yup. I was one such kid... 7 years old at the time, and my 12 year old stepbrother... yup. I wish more people would realize that sometimes, it's other kids causing harm to a child.
Edit: just realized I'm getting triggered (like in the ptsd sense of the word), so might come back and watch later, I'm not sure. I appreciate you spreading the word about this stuff.
Take care of your brain, this will be here when you are ready
Take care!
I didn't know it was possible to fail at being a step-brother, but he found a way I guess.
My sincere advice is when your triggered from this stuff I found what helped me the best way literally was having a trusted person I could speak to and talk to them about the subject and I personally made myself confront the stuff that triggered me with them
My sincere advice is when your triggered from this stuff I found what helped me the best way literally was having a trusted person I could speak to and talk to them about the subject and I personally made myself confront the stuff that triggered me with them
it's a startling realization that CSA isn't always a creepy stranger touching kids, it's also when a 17 year old is groped by an adult man who you thought liked you :(
sorry :/ i hope that 17yo is okay and healing
@@glowa-q9b i’m 25 and doing a lot better now🩷🩷
There's no way you dropped the fact he catfishhed a guy to leave his wife over beef. Beast mode
Catfished a guy to leave his wife for a minor over beef! I feel like the fact he did it for a fictional minor adds so much to that.
Edit: The fact he treats the guy who fell for a fictional minor as innocent because it was a catfish is real fucked up. WTF is this episode?
@@prettyevil6662000 definitely weird how he didn't bring that up. I do think police doing this is very dangerous. alot of Muslims are targeted by intelligence agencys to entice them to do acts of terror. Not just finding terrorists and implanting agents but planning attacks giving the groups materials and knowledge. The cia was involved in intelligence operations against people like mlk, huey Newton,malcom x and various student run anti war groups. like the cia literally sent a letter to mlk telling he cheated on his wife and should kys. The us government is like a rabid loose dog doing anything it wants
@@prettyevil6662000he didn't catfish him to leave him for a minor. the character they were impersonating wasn't a child
40:00 Just because the judge overseeing the case thought that it was entrapment does NOT mean that it was entrapment. It could be easily argued that the judge overstepped their bounds, because the jury is supposed to decide that.
Also iirc that guy that got his case thrown out went on to be a violent sexual offender, sooooo weird, inapplicable example all around.
Gonna be real, I can't find it in me to care. Dude went there with the purpose of doing depraved things to a child, got caught, and then offed himself. Yeah cops should've handled way better than they did but at the end of the day nothing of value was lost.
The point of the video is to show that the show never actually cared to catch predators. It's all sensationalism.
@@ParakeetDSithe point of this video is that SkipIntro loves men and holds the mic like a preds dik
@@ParakeetDSi Yes they did. You've NEVER read the Chattlogs and have probably NEVER heard of James Wiles. He was literally Found to have been molesting his OWN daughters for years.
Also he... didn’t go to the house? Idk if another person offed themselves on the show but this guy didn’t ever do or intend to do anything physical.
Like stated in the video he was already guilty if sexually explicit chats with a minor so there was no need to make it into a sensation.
@@tyraoqvist350 just say you sympathize with them and become their sidekick, bro.
You're really odd for defending this behavior. There is no saving these monsters, they've already given up their humanity
One of the most important thing this video asks is how we can shift the conversation from punishment of perpetrators to prevention of abuse to begin. While both are important, the former is focused on acting only after harm has been done. The latter is much harder to explore because prevention neccistates understanding why and how abuse happens.
In the same way that criminal investigation and profiling required us to understand what made a criminal mind and what motivated it, we must apply the same logic here. The best way to prevent child abuse is to, as a society, understand how and why it happens. Satanic Panic 2.0 is not enforcing justice in the way that we want it to be.
With a conversation that has stakes like this, there are no winners or losers, only victims.
It doesn't help that there's very few people actually interested in prevention. People are becoming increasingly aware of the kinds of things cops do to make criminal investigations have a "happy ending" for the cops, regardless of how accurate or correct the end result is, and random people on the internet aren't much better. It's frustrating.
@@TehNoobiness Germany has a nice thing where people who are thinking about abusing children like that can call and get a specialized therapist to help them deal with those urges. I fear proposing such a thing in the USA is social suicide, even though it would help save a child.
They not ready for that prevention conversation. Easiest thing to do would be rehabilitation or places they can go. But people are to vindictive. They rather wait until it happens to got outraged
@@zero1188 Which is infuriating.
@@zero1188its interesting how strongly some folks react to the concept of 'prevention' with this topic'. i understand that vindictive feeling, wanting those who hurt others to face retribution in some way, but that being the main focus only allows harm to continue until it gets recognized. this wasnt a sexual case, but i was abused by my sister, and after a lot of time in therapy of my own and years to digest everything, my take has become 'i wish she couldve gotten therapy before all this'. she still hurt me, and believing there couldve been something done to prevent that isnt an excuse, but some folks dont seem to understand that, and jump to assuming that the belief is 'the perpetrator is a victim too, actually'. it cant always work, i cant say for absolute if therapy wouldve prevented her behavior, if to an extent to at all, but that possibility exists, and wishing it couldve happened isnt wrong or somehow detracts from how i was hurt
this reaction will differ per victim, it can change with time (i know there was certainly a point where i held much more vitriol towards her and had far less sympathy for how things happened for her prior to the abuse), but i think consideration towards the benefits of preventative measures is important. we cant just dog the bounty hunter our way outta predators existing, theres no secret monster gene we can just eliminate from the gene pool with enough prison sentences. its just that when damage is done that that gets more attention than the potential of someone to harm (at least on average, some folks are real keen on believing that getting rid of drag queens will make a substantial change to csa rates). violence garners more eyes and movement than all the numbers of people who couldve done such violence without help they got, and nuance as a whole is rarely considered in the face of horrors that certain people wish to make entertainment out of
Australian here. I've never seen an episode!
And it's never been on Australian T.V.
But even though I live at the arse end of the World, I know, shit everyone down here knows what it is. What it does, what it means to "take a seat."
Kiwi living in Aussie here.
Do you think we know about it from clips or segments on 60 Minutes? The South Park episode? I ask because it's weird, you're right, everyone here knows what "take a seat" means, know the show without ever having seen it.
Great name btw. Frenzal!
Your comment on the John Stewart video from our man Skip was awesome. ✊
@@mattgilbert7347 we know all about irrelevant american pop culture because we're constantly bombarded with it.
having said that, i know about this show because of references to it online.
@@mj.l Gotcha. Happens by cultural osmosis.
I'm Australian and thought I had seen this show as a kid... Maybe late at night?
so… let me get this straight. If you’re on the US sex offender registry, you can’t buy a house (in most areas), but you can be a cop?
You can buy a house as long as you aren't within your state's distance limit of a school, park, or religious institution. Most states have it 500 - 1000 feet away. Obviously this does nothing to stop the problem and is just a meaningless restriction. Some states are even dumber, and apply it retroactively. This means that you can be living in a house for 25 years, but they build a park next door, and you are forced to move.
@@vodyanoy2some states also bar you from living in proximity with children, which means apartment buildings are illegal too
Sort of about the house. It's a workaround. A lot of authorities - not just state, but at a more local level - really want to ban all sex offenders entirely. But they can't, because the offenders have actually served their sentence and been released - an outright ban would be constitutionally questionable, as it's imposing additional punishments that have not been handed down by a judge for a specific crime in accordance with law. Such an attempt would almost certainly be ruled unconstitutional. So instead states and cities will pass laws to 'protect children' that are intentionally impossible to comply with, in the hope that offenders will leave the area rather than meet some conditions that are by design unattainable or dangerous.
For example, there might be exclusion zones - a sex offender may not live or work within so many feet of a school, park, or religious institution. May also include other venues likely to attract children, like shopping centers or arcades. Or even (in Florida) school bus routes. But... how many churches does a typical US city have? How many schools? With a long enough radius, entire cities are blanketed by exclusion zones. Mission accomplished: The unwanted are driven away.
This lead to the infamous Julia Tuttle Causeway sex offender colony in Florida - an informal congregation of sex offenders living underneath a bridge, because it was the one spot in an area of multiple counties that wasn't within at least one exclusion zone. There was literally no-where else for them to live. Eventually it was closed down when Florida got decided something had to be done and started arresting them for illegal camping.
Another approach is requiring offenders inform every other resident within a certain radius, in person - go around to all their neighbours and explain, in person, "I'm a sex offender and I'm living down the road from you, here's my address." It puts the offender in an impossible situation: Either they do so and end up getting beaten to a pulp by a vigilantee mob, or they try to live quietly and get arrested. Again the intent is that the offenders do neither of these, but instead leave the area. But it's hard for them to leave when they will face the same problem anywhere else in the country.
@@vylbird8014I wish that the lawmakers would be honest about what the s offender registry means for them. I find this level of dishonesty annoying imo.
@@Dave102693 The US's system of government often pits different levels against each other, so you end up with oddly-formed laws like that. The state governments can be in direct opposition to the policies of the federal government, the city governments can be against the state, and all of them are trying to weasel their way around court rulings. So it's common to get such strange things as sanctuary cities, where the city has laws that prohibit police from enforcing certain federal laws. Or many state laws that tried to prohibit abortion indirectly, by making the procedure subject to regulations too stringent to practically meet - imposing unnecessary ultrasounds, requiring a full emergency surgical theater just to consume a pill, or requiring facilities adhere to bizarre building codes. And there's a whole mess of laws passed in the south after desegregation that were just intended to give the police an excuse to arrest any black people they wanted.
Love your channel and this series! But I'm gonna be honest, you already knew this video was getting demonetized, you really didn't have to use the goo goo ga ga baby self censorship language. You're making a video where Child Sexual Assault is a forefront topic. Say pedophile. Say rape. The ability to say these words in the context of these issues is very important.
Yeah, I agree. I feel as if the language used in this video removes the gravity from this discussion.
Preach it loud and proud you incredibly correct individual.
AGREE! important topics need to be addressed head on. regardless.
blame youtube and also things like tiktok and the shorts format. Most youtubers take segments out of their videos to create shorts which is kind of a mandate by youtube, same shorts can be used on tiktok. Both have autobans or demonitization on these topics. Also blame advertisers and companies who demand the restrictions. Hell Only Fans was almost closed because banks refused to do business with them.
It's not just monetization, the video has to stay up
12:47 to be fair, I do think it's important not to dismiss someone just because they have schizophrenia, even though it's worth taking into account
Yeah that fucking bothered me.
First time I've watched a video from this dude and it's going to be my last! He's giving me proper pedo vibes...why else is he low-key sticking up for these pedos?
guy looks like perfect model of who kids should avoid to be alone in room with
you overly simplied the mcmartin case... and schizophrenia patients get enough shit for just existing. doesn't help that in general neurodivergent folks are both more often victims of violence and have harder time being taken seriously while reporting, let alone getting justice. recently a polish youtuber got laughable sentence for using someone with mental disability in a humiliating video...
Yeah, that went bad, not to ruin the video fully, but it does leave a sour aftertaste...
So was he supposed to not mention that she was mentally ill? Her schizophrenia is one of the direct causes of her false accusations. It's one of the sad realities of the disease. I know one woman who thought her family was poisoning her food. Don't get offended over the truth. It's sad but it is what it is.
People with mental disability honestly have it the worse. Their actions often get misinterpreted and instead of clarifying or even being shown what would be more appropriate they have the book thrown at them because "They should know better.", I get that mental disability is not an excuse, but when you have to literally learn what most people just innately know, it's already hard enough to "know better". Then you have those with impulse control issues that need help in knowing what is not right and learning to control that but instead their thrown out on their own and when they mess up their treated as if they did it with the intent of a evil mastermind. I should know, that was my deal, and it pisses me off to this day that instead of giving help in a way that was effective they tried to punish me as an adult (i was a minor at the time), not that I was any help to my self back then, I barely knew how to process my own emotions, let alone know what is publicly right or wrong.
The schizophrenia is relevant though? They have a disease that by definition makes them believe things that aren't true as a core symptom. It doesn't mean that you should dismiss everything they say out of hand necessarily, but if there is zero evidence to corroborate it and the motives and logistics make no sense, then it's pretty reasonable to assume that they're suffering from a delusion.
I'm dying to talk about The Closer.. it's like they wanted to talk about problems with policing but got distracted by easy cop show tropes? And her love interest dude is made of red flags, but we're supposed to like him? And yet I can't stop watching? Help!!
I never thought of the husband being a red flag but now that u mention it…makes complete sense! I loved the closer!
The closer is a good one. I've had my same feelings about it upon rewatching the series.
Is it weird that I recognized these predators by name? That show is a fucking rabbit hole.
It really is.
Yeah, that’s kinda weird. Find a new hobby?
@@mariecarie1 There's an entire community dedicated to TCAP. I dabbled for a bit but eventually got annoyed by how little the people actually seemed to care about preventing child abuse and moreso just made fun of these guys constantly. It was weird. They talk about these guys like they're movie characters.
@@vodyanoy2 Ew. Guess that’s not surprising, though. People will make a fandom out of anything
@@vodyanoy2 That's because most of those people just wanna have an excuse to make fun or go after someone.
I got followed home by two different creeps before the age of 12 at two different houses. Police didn’t do shit- having my older siblings there to form a safety in numbers did. Being stalked as a child really does a number on your view of the world- and I won’t hesitate in saying that poverty was the main cause to put me in the path of dangerous people.
I’m not even sure if it counts as CSA even though I was followed home by a van full of games and candy-found out about it after the arrest no way I ever let myself be close enough to see in person.
And nothing of value was lost
"Perverted Justice" is great, I didn't realize that was the group's name. I love when groups accidentally tell on themselves in their name.
I once told a dad that his daughter was more likely to be abused by people they knew than a random stranger. he was shook.
I find it hard to have any sympathy for Mr Conrad, he was a pedo after all, but I definitely see the case as a perversion of justice. The Swat team really didn't seem necessary, I mean the guy never made any threats to the police or anyone else. They 100% should've just waited and arrested him later, but the need to get it on television to gain popularity was apparently more important. I don't feel bad for Conrad, even if I try to, but the police handled this case very poorly
It's wild how Chris Hansen's reputation is now versus twenty years ago.
I can't believe he got a man killed and then sullies his name even today by lying about him having child porn. what an asshole. I'm glad I never watched that show.
@@icecoldpierre Murphy PD FOUND Thousands of CP Files on Conradt's PC, so no.
So bro said "There are 50k child predators online" and when asked for his source he said "I made it the fuck up"
It's also telling how they're just parroting what the satanic scare fear mongering grifters did in the 1980s
You look and sound exactly like someone that defends these
But he isn’t defending pedos
what part of the video does he defend them? do you have a time stamp?
the online interactions data is insulting and harmful, talk to women, I don't know any women, early thirties or younger, who didnt get targeted by online harassment or grooming as a teenager or young. Every single person in my circle, when the issue comes up has anecdotes, not of the one time it happened but, the first time, because it was constant.
Yes what the show pushed is inaccurate and scaremongering and that is dangerous, but as dangerous is that statistic, it's not a reported crime, when it does cross the line into being significantly harmful, it's almost never reported because children can't report it without putting themselves at risk. It's so common plenty women and girls don't even think of it as criminal or something to report, just how men are and how existing online is.
Yeah that part was kinda bad. I've witnessed it happening personally and have heard SO MANY stories from women I know about being approached by men online, even after they knew that the girl was underage.
this is so correct aswell ! asp the last part
Exactly! I had at least two incidents I can remember having adult men approach me when I was 10 or 11 and just because I told my parents not whatever statistical source he's grabbing doesn't mean it didn't happen. The whole downplaying in this video is very uncomfortable, just because the man doesn't show up at your house like in TCaP doesn't make those interactions no big deal or overblown.
The value of To Catch A Predator is getting high with your friends and laughing at the predators' lame excuses while Chris Hansen reads their sexually explicit messages back to them in his nasally voice. That's really it. I never once watched that show and felt good about justice being served or that they were doing important work or whatever.
Yeah, it's entertainment
A lot of others didn’t get that memo
nope sorry, according to wokescolds you can only either find TCAP funny or consider child sexual abuse to be a serious issue, never both at the same time. because to them any time spent not virtue signalling is a crime against humanity
25:40 "dogman? Who is this guy?" probably a boy her age based off the name.
TH-cam always say “Subscribe to my patreon because there’s no way this video is going to be monetize”
25 minutes and 5-6 non skippable ad’s later… Yeah I’m thinking this is monetized
TH-cam puts ads on videos even if the creators can't get paid from it.
@@goatpriestess1202 That does happen but often youtubers say use the excuse of “subscribe to my patreon because this video is definitely getting demonetized“ regardless of whether it’s being monitzed or not.
I don’t blame the TH-camrs for doing that because it’s a job and their goal is to earn as much money as possible. But there were at least 3 if not 4 times in this video specifically where he advertised his patreon using that line.
@@coldburn9956 I mean, they don't know when recording if it will actually stay monetized. Given the subject matter, it's kinda safe to assume it won't stay monetized, and if this is your only source of income...
They should be uploading to Odysee or BC instead.
You make some good points here, and I enjoy your series on copaganda. But Bill killed himself. He was his own executioner. Not the state, not the cops, not Chris Hansen. It feels kinda slimey to say anything different
Bill Conradt is not a martyr to be mourned, nor are any of the other dudes caught in this show. Just because TCAP is trashy and Peverted Justice is weird, doesn't mean we should feel anything for these guys.
Yeah because self-game-overs happen in a vaccuum and this guy would totally have done it anyway, Chris had nothing to do with it!
@@bacon6364I agree that TCAP essentially pushed this man over the edge.
But what is your suggestion? Do we literally need to protect predators to minimize the risk of them offing themselves?
@@bacon6364 Why yes, if he hadn't got caught doing this with someone he believed was a child, he might not have committed suicide. What an enlightening thought 🙄
@@bacon6364 Bill was a full-grown adult who wanted to hurt children. He got caught and didn’t want to reap the consequences of his actions. Am I supposed to cry for him?
@@bacon6364 He did it because he got caught.
If the truth of what he did was that bad, who's fault is it really? The person who reports it, or that he'd done something heinous?
>More online predators were arrested for soliciting law enforcement posing as children than actual children
Seems reasonable considering that law enforcement has the authority to arrest people where as actual children do not, don't you think? I don't really understand what this statistic proves.
This entire video is kind of disgusting. I sincerely don’t understand what he was trying to accomplish by bringing up that the majority of CSA cases are done between two underage kids. Like, okay? Does that mean we aren’t supposed to go after the people who are legitimately trying to go after children????
@@jimtreebob2096 I thought the video was pretty good overall. The premise of the video is that To Catch a Predator does not protect kids, and it makes a pretty good case for that. I don't know why we are talking about CSA between minors, but fear mongering about stranger danger is nit helping either.
@@jimtreebob2096 The statistic is to prove what I call the White Van Fallacy, see my other comment on this video for an explanation. Basically we are looking for the wrong people, searching for creeps online when the most abusers are more personal. Their family members that are grooming the children in their own families, they are other kids that go to school with the victims, often not realizing what they are doing is traumatizing and harmful, or worse, they know and have no impulse control. They are what are supposed to be pillars of the community, people we SHOULD be able to trust and abuse that.
The children statistic is rather to show that this show wasn't dealing with where it happens, and to focus resources effectively we need to stop trying to exclusively find an illusive figure and instead focus on where resources are needed.
It's related to the main point which is about how the show isn’t actually doing much good. It’s fearmongering, spreading misinformation and turning serious issues into entertainment instead of putting in effort to fix the problem.
If we want to stop spreading misinformation, we need to have discussions about the actual information.
This view of the dangerous stranger going after kids being the most common type of CSA makes it more difficult to adress the majority of CSA cases.
@@Katt1n The point is that shows like To Catch A Predator misrepresent CSA as an issue in order to create an entertaining revenge narrative. It's important to talk about CSA between minors because a lot of people think it doesn't happen and therefore can't recognize or respond to it effectively.
Anyone remember Roy Moore? The District Attorney who almost won the Senate seat in Alabama, on 2018, who was KNOWN to be dating children and was banned from the mall? The result was a Democratic senator winning the seat.
All the craziness around certain current conspiracy theories is built on this dramatic idea that predators are all online stalking strangers, and not figures with authority, like family members, cops, church figures.
You hit the nail on the head here 1:10:00.
And the phrase is, "a bad apple spoils the whole bunch", so one bad apple should not be an excuse for departments to avoid scrutiny. It's a justification for firing the police department, letting state police take over, and then restarting with applicants who pass a background check.
Roy Moore gets worse the more you look at him. He was removed from office for judicial misconduct because he ordered the state to ignore a supreme court ruling he personally disagreed with. Ran for office again, was re-elected, was removed for judicial misconduct for a second time for ignoring /another/ supreme court ruling he personally disagreed with, ran for senate, and finally lost only because of multiple accusations of sexual abuse - and even then was 48% of the vote.
The secret to his popularity? He is a very proud and outspoken Conservative Christian, in Alabama. His stunts, though unquestionably illegal to the point of misconduct, were also very popular with voters there. A lot of people in Alabama liked an official who had the confidence to say that any supreme court ruling which contradicts the bible is invalid and should be disregarded.
I liked the video overall but the section kinda-sorta justifying the sexting between adults and the Dateline chat actors is a little gross. An adult engaging in that sort of conversation with someone they believe is a child, and confirm as such even if as stated “they doubted the age gap”, is still gross as hell.
Rewatched that section around 35:30 and yeah I definitely agree that Perverted Justice encourages some weird behaviors from the volunteers, but there needs to be a whole heap of blame on adults who do not immediately reject sexual acts and sexting with someone who they know or believe to be a minor.
Yes! The idea that the fake 13 year olds bringing up not innocent topics means the predator was entrapped is disgusting. It means 13 year olds who do that are asking for it? If a 13 year old begs an adult man online to come f-them, it's okay because 13 year olds aren't supposed to talk like that?
i see where ur coming from, but i dont think the point was to justify. i think it was to show that perverted justice was doing sketchy business. would a predator have gone to the decoy house without being encouraged? maybe. but maybe not. and in the context of entrapment, that maybe not is important
eta: if a person is able to pushed or talked into inappropriate behaviors with a child, they are a bad person and are a predator. they are one horny teen away from being a rapist. but i think skip intro was talking about it from a legal standpoint
@@kkhook3 I see that, I just felt he let the perpetrators off light rhetorically. It’s still extremely concerning behavior I’d honestly say from both ends.
@@kkhook3 But is it sketchy when real teenagers act like that? Is it okay because a 13 year old asked for it? Legally, are they asking for it?
Was I asking for it when I asked men to come meet me and bring condoms when I was 13? Was not speaking as innocently as adults think a 13 year old should have proof that I deserved it if a man had ever accepted?
You can't separate the legal matter in this. If talking like a real 13 year old becomes entrapment when police do it then that means a real 13 year old talking like that legally deserves it.
Nope. The show didn't kill him. He killed himself
The show killed him
@@KingNerdius Nope. Not only did _he_ take _his own_ life, *his own actions* led up to that point. Let me guess: You think guns pull their own triggers too? 🤣
...NGL, your comments across this section have been awfully suspicious thus far.
@@BloodwyrmWildheart if they did it professionally he wouldn’t have died
Not a fan of how it sorta feels like this video is depicting the would be you know whats as victims with no free will who are forced to do stuff.
I agree its ineffective, but i am not going to sympathise with that dude who was "exe€uted" (by himself of his own free will)
Yeah, when I first spotted this video I got concerned that it would have similarities to when the BreadTuber EthanIsOnline ridiculed a predator hunter. Ethan was essentially running interference for predators because he wanted to score a point in the left vs right battle. That’s apparently something we need to watch out for in today’s online political debates: people making child SA into an ideological issue.
The partisan hypocrisy of weaponizing statistics to build a narrative is getting pretty lame, especially when the numbers are spun to somehow give sympathy to attempted diddlers for some kind of philosophical high ground.
Love how when I was younger internet safety was stuff like "Never give your personal info, don't talk to strangers online, use an alias on social websites", but then companies realized they could sell your personal info.
Also; Back in middle/high school one of my teachers was a pedo, VERY OBIOUSLY too, but he got away with it for so long until he worked at the high school where kids were more aware of his odd behavior. He got fired for screaming at a child to off-themselves and was later convicted of his pedo crimes, I felt bad for his inner group because my sister was friends with one and watched him slowly getting groomed and isolated. Nobody did anything.
The comment section is good sign that the video is just bloated, all your actual good points are basically drowned out by the nonsense
I can see the Tubi movie now: She installs spyware on the computer to find out if her kid is talking to strangers online but OOPS, she didn't mention it to her husband and boy is she about to make a much different discovery. Vivica A Fox in "Chat Log".
Its always Vivica A Fox in some tubi mubi. This feels acurate. But an actual good movie about online child predators like this synopsis is "Trust_" its so incredibly resonant with me and actually has somewhat of a realistic character with the dad and the therapist (played by my favorite Viola Davis!)
@@foxxfurrz I absolutely loved Viola Davis in "How to Get Away with Murder" (I know, it was kind of a guilty pleasure but her acting is always superb - she's amazing and terrifying in it, I love it). And thanks for the recommend! It's not surprising someone managed to make an actually compelling story about that kind of situation but I just couldn't help but go straight to the idea of "Hmm, but how would a network like Lifetime handle this subject?"
@@gabby3036 I LOVE "How to get away with murder" As soon as I got netfilx I binged HTGAWM. Its such a good show. Viola's acting is so powerful but as the therapist in "Trust_" she is litteraly the complete opposite of Anneliese Keating. It was actually kinda whiplash for me lol
@@gabby3036 i can almost gaurentee you though a bad movie about that exsists somewhere out there with that premise lol
Or hell, better yet - he did it to monitor the kids and finds she's the child predator
25:10 Is it sad that so far the most shocking revelation is the fact that a plane ticket to *anywhere* ever cost only $300?
There are still plenty, in Europe they're even as low as like 40 bucks sometimes (though even I recently had a 250 dollar round trip from Texas to central Mexico). It mainly depends on the city you fly out from and what airline you choose.
I live in the USA, and domestic flights with budget airlines usually cost me like 40 bucks one-way (about $110 with luggage costs added on top). Might depend on where you live and where you're traveling, though.
Social media is absolutely destroying our current social structures
Mental health professional (w my own lived experience) here, and i'm gonna have to second @mechatiles comment here. This series is so fantastic, and like you say, thorough! It's so rare to find such an ignorant flippant comment like the one you made about schizophrenia here.
Yes, it is important to take someone's mental state at the time they made the allegations into account.
HOWEVER
1) The article you referenced said that she “was found to have acute paranoid schizophrenia”. What do they mean by that? Found by whom? Found when? Acute during which time? These are all essential questions to answer before overtly discrediting her (and calling her allegations a waste of money).
Because the thing people don't get about schizophrenia when they've never spent any time around people who live with the illness is: most people with schizophrenia are not always psychotic! Certainly not always acutely psychotic, because that actually doesn't make sense; if a person's psychosis is that persistent and not responsive to treatment, we call that chronic. But for most, when appropriately treated on medication, through therapy, through abstinence from substances, or just plain old time, they are completely lucid, present, and aware of their illnesses.
I have worked directly with many people who sometimes are sick, then they get better. And you know what? The allegations often stay exactly the same when they're well and when they're unwell. Sometimes they get well and take it all back, sometimes they're completely unaware of what's happened and shocked by what they said. But that's simply not always - or even usually - the case.
2) People with mental illnesses - especially the lower prevalence/higher functional impact illnesses like schizophrenia - are far more likely to be victim/survivors of CSA and other similarly abhorrent violations. ESPECIALLY in that era of time when institutionalisation was so common. The kinds (and quantities OH BOY) of abuses that people suffered in the old school asylums/long stay psych hospitals are one of the main reasons they all gradually shut down throughout the 90s.
3) We actually don't know what causes schizophrenia. We don't know what causes most mental illnesses. There are theories that many subscribe to, but just like the "low serotonin levels cause depression, and that's why SSRIs/SNRIs work" theory has been thoroughly debunked after being the accepted wisdom for decades, so it may be for the dopamine theory of schizophrenia any day now. Doctors and psychiatrists act like they know things like this for certain, but they don't. You just have to have a tremendous ego to endure the training required to become a psychiatrist, so most of them are pretty arrogant about things they should actually be humble and honest about. I mean, #notallpsychiatrists realistically, but yeah, ego in psychiatry is a thing.
Anyway, my point is: what we do know are the risk factors for developing a psychotic illness, and trauma like CSA is right up there alongside having a parent with a psychotic illness.
So what i'm getting at is: not only can people with schizophrenia make accurate, honest, reality based allegations of CSA, but they are more likely than the general population to have suffered from it, AND evidence suggests that CSA (and similar) trauma actually makes someone more likely to develop schizophrenia in the first place.
I don't know this particular story super well, it may very well be that this person who made the allegations in the McMartin case was either acutely or chronically unwell and making non-reality based statements due to their psychosis. But you can't just hand-wave away a person's reports because they suffer from a certain illness. That's ableist, and I've been watching your work for long enough to know that YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS.
Maybe this would be a cool thing to address in a copaganda video on portrayals of mental illness? Just an idea lol!
Thanks for reading, love your work ❤️
Where the hell can I find someone like you to talk to? I've had nothing but harmful ego driven shitty therapists so much it's turned me completely off of therapy
I know the story. She said that the male preschool teacher at her toddler's daycare was putting stuff in his rectum as part of some kind of elaborate Satanic ritual. A doctor examined the toddler and found slight irritation at the anus because the mom was prodding and touching it so much but no evidence of any actual penetration like she was claiming. As time went on the things she was alleging got more and more elaborate, bizarre, and logistically improbable to impossible. It was pretty obviously a case of paranoid delusions.
the fact that the guy thought "What kind of app should I get to catch pedos, Oh Yeah, Grindr"
Literally any app with a chat will do. Grindr is not immune.
@@mariusvanc grinder has less predation than Facebook, which had gotten busted and had kilobytes of CP on multiple group chats on it
What Im saying is that it's weird that the dude heard pedo and decided a dating app which is for adults, marketed at adults, and has a warning when you open it to sign up it's 18+
It's gay tinder
@@frakismaximus3052 yeah, exactly.
The logic of trying to catch pedos on an app half the size of tinder and with an 18+ or get banned rule is flawed
Unless you think gays are predators
"Lying about fentanyl" tell me you've never been around fentanyl addicts without telling me. I'm increasingly annoyed by content creators who are completely detached from a subject, yet speak on it with absolute confidence because they saw a video about it once.
i watched this out to the end thinking the pedo apologism would die down and i was very disappointed
I feel like the misunderstanding and disregard for SA with the public is best evidenced whenever an argument about the age of consent and "barely legal" baiting starts on the internet, because its so blatantly obvious that an adult courting an adolescent or teenager is wrong, but no one really considers WHY. For instance a character in Mihoyo's recent new release ZZZ being 18 yet also still in highshool spawned some back and forth about the sexualization of minors. Now this is just a character but these debates around legality, Romeo and Juliet clause, and worst of all personal accountability of real victims of SA are just as common. Because all forms of SA are terrible but people refuse to wrap their heads around them unless is straight forward. Child Predators will argue about the age of development. Victim blamers will argue that a "young woman" should have known better because she was 18. And when both people are teenagers, maybe one just over 18, it gets muddy, but several victim blamers will excuse abusive behavior because the abuser just "made a mistake". The thing is, 18 isn't some magical number at which a switch flips in someone's brain to achieve mental maturity, the brain keeps developing until 25. No, the age of consent is exactly what it says, its the age in which a person finally achieves the right to give consent to other consenting adults... CONSENT is the key word, and the assault it the robbing of said consent.
So SA is a form of exploitation, people often imagine it as purely physical and violent, but it can be quid pro quo, a verbal threat, getting you under the influence. It is effectively someone leveraging authority or power above you to rob you of consent. When you understand that, you understand that the age of consent is just detailing ONE SPECIFIC but all encompassing form of exploitation, that of the inherent authority of adults over children. And why does that legal separation of adult and child exist? Because we collectively decided that during the growing and learning process that children and teens needed to be a protected class, they wouldn't have the responsibilities of adults, but also not have the burdens. Their rights are different and it creates a power AND responsibility for the adults around them. And its those lack of rights that make it an all encompassing rule, not just because a teenager might lack the mental maturity to decide they're in love with a 24 year old, but because that 24 year old has a responsibility to not exploit what little extra authority they have being on the other side of the breach. (When you consider the fact that the age of consent effectively comes packed in along with all of the other protections we RIGHTFULLY give children, its also makes it blatantly clear why the same people who want to abolish child labor laws have some weird fucking views about child marriage, what is or isn't grooming and sexualization, or just... don't respect women in general)
Its is for these reasons that I feel people misunderstand metoo and victims who come out later. As outsiders they're looking for the creepy 30 year olds picking out children. They're looking for signs of physical assault. So when they hear that one teenager badgered another for nudes and shared them with friends, or that a 27 year old influencer drove an 18 year old fan to their apartment with no way home, people are so quick to say "WAS IT REEEEEAAAALLY that bad?" "Did the abuser really do anything wrong?" "You can't RETROACTIVELY decide you didn't want to screw a guy and then call him out for it". The don't consider that kids can abuse other kids, and they don't respect adults (mostly women) who come out about the ways their boss made advances at them or made promises for favors, or the college student who got too close to her professor. It all comes from a lack of understanding about SA, and that's partially informed by sensationalist media like this, but is also just from a reluctance to deal with these issues. Its so much easier to categorize the "simple, innocent misunderstandings" vs the "literal demons", than it is to understand that people hurt each other in terrible, irreparable ways... and sometimes the perpetrator doesn't even realize they did anything wrong. And our system should be educating, reprimanding, and punishing to sufficient reasonable extent... not turning people into social pariah's and then demanding a public execution.
Fun fact: we don't actually know that the brain stops developing after 25. We only know that it keeps developing until *at least* 25. The study just didn't go any further than 25 because they didn't have time. For all we know, the brain keeps developing in little ways your whole life!
What a roller coaster of a comment
Thank you! Idk why people get so hung up on the age of consent. You're not magically some fully functional adult with full blown emotional intelligence once you turn 18. I am not trying to be the "age is just a number" guy, but people put such a HARD line on it it is crazy.
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the way I see it, at 18 you've spent your whole life being treated as less than human, having your bodily autonomy violated for others' convenience, going, eating, and sleeping where and when you're told. brain development or no brain development, that's a vulnerable position to be in and accept as normal, and the idea that you and your decisions deserve respect can take years to internalize.
when I was 15-16, I had joined public discord servers trying to make friends and would get 1-2 creeps a month trying to message me, usually opening with asking for pictures. I would block them after the first message and I don’t consider myself a victim of csa but I think there is a large downplay of how creepy people can be online.
Bottom line, the dude was having a chomo chat with someone identifying as underage. Not exactly the perfectly innocent victim it was teased out to be.
The TCAP crew still doesn't get to decide the death sentence for someone, regardless of how shit a person they are.
@@zerodollarbird he did it to himself though.
@@zerodollarbird They didn't decide anything. He could have not done it. He could have faced the punishment for his actions. They weren't mind controlling him. He bought it upon himself, he did it himself.
@@ongakira He did do it himself but it was handled extremely poorly by the TV crews who were larping at his house.
No one said he was innocent, he still shouldn’t have died
I clicked on this video hoping it was actually a deep dive into the issues of the topic, and not just political propaganda.
To save you the length of the video.
-TCAP tried to sting a guy at his house due to not getting him to come to their set up decoy house, and he commited sucide when the swat came into his house.
-TCAP was more about television clicks, than actually solving issues. (Obviously it is a TV show)
-The tail end starts randomly delving into trashing the right wing due to some select people with no actual sources cited for that tangent.
It's not propaganda just because it challenges your beliefs.
@@ParakeetDSi I agree with a lot in the video, it has nothing to do with my beliefs. I am not right, or left wing. I like aspects of both sides, and dislike aspects of both.
But this video is both extremely biased (Which I can't fault as I am not familiar with Skip Intro. He probably caters to a specific audience that doesn't care about a strong bias.), and it is clearly propaganda.
Way to take away all the nuance, information and evidence
@@KingNerdius That is the nature of a TL:DR. However if you actually look at the sources for the video the evidence is weak second source information, and there are no sources after he drops the the topic of TCAP.
The fact that the pedo cops said he would go back in time and do everything differently, then followed it up by saying he wouldn't have been a cop instead of saying he wouldn't have engaged in pedophilic behavior actually shocked me, but it shouldn't have. If they aren't breaking the law themselves, they're ignoring or covering for coworkers who are.
I watched this video on Nebula expecting an uncensored version, but it was the same minced words and redacted text that you put here on TH-cam.
wow.. is this how it is for every nebula vid? im not interested in signing up for it lol
The amount of people equating critiques of Perverted Justice as condemnation of kids is astounding.
This reminds me of the Episode of George López. Max meets a girl online and George thinks it's a predator posing as a girl, only for the girl's dad to think the same thing about Max. Culminating in the dads arranging a meet up to catch the other one. A comedy of errors ensues.
I am sick of people bringing up the death penalty. One ending himself to avoid consequences, or just accepting the act itself as a consequence, is not the death penalty. He took the easy way out. Nobody asked him to. He figured the punishment would be worse.
He would have known the exact penalties and crimes he would be charged with. If he killed himself, he knew that it was a different kind of punishment and clearly wanted death more than the truth,
Prison assaults and s offender registry and its requirements are worse, so he wanted out if that.
Basically an easy way out of accountability
@@Dave102693 Mike Tyson is a sex offender lol it's not always worse than death
why do breadtubers always hold the mic awkwardly
They hold it like the dongs they suck
Thats the least of my questions. Why do these people STRIVE to be insufferable and dense
@@Spencer-vq7se my reply was deleted by youtube, basically it reminds them of their boyfriends
Everything was great until the part basically saying "look at this poor adult getting manipulated into commenting CSA by who he thought is a child", having a hate boner for the police doesn't mean saying stupid shit to justify it
But he didn’t say that
That wasn't what was said
@@ParakeetDSiyea, I think what he was trying to get across was that he wishes he starred in the show
@@KingNerdius thats exactly what he said
@@pinkishs false
Its hard to explain. This video almost has a tone of sympathy toward these guys who are willingly engaging in a super sus conversations with minors and a hatred for law enforcement who are quite frankly, in over their heads with the amount of predators out there..... This feels very weird.