“Brahmins are difficult to ‘convert’! If it were not for brahmins, we should have all the heathens embracing our ‘faith’." Francis Xavier- letter to the Society of Jesus(31 Dec 1543) Glory to our ‘Pitras’, our tribal brothers of the north east and bheels in Mewar 🗿 proud of them. Enough of the drama.
They converted ppl out of balkanisation and why would anyone being discriminated stay in the system a lot of women leave and stop going to church once their harassed
Doesn't this support their point then? When Dalits were discriminated against by Brahmins the Dalits would definitely like to get out of the system and find another faiths who treated them better, and Brahmins won't like to leave this system cause they were the ones getting benifited
@@NovelTuber Dalits always have faith towards hindu gods even today, they worship Hindu gods and not attracted towards any other religion. Even Ambedkarites leaders couldn't convert them to Buddhism after decades
@@panjabipandit Well Sai doesn't make castists uncomfortable - as he supports most Hindus traditions including jati-pratha (practically castes but AIM pushes the same group to cognitive dissonance as he opposes negationism The are catering to two different mindset
@@panjabipandit did you see they both took a below the belt shot with their decoloniality jibe !! Bloody idiots .. Sai said that he is not one of these peoples type in ANI podcast.. and look at his viewership in comparison to what an AIM or a kushal can pull off!!🤣
Manu was not a Brahmin (in the sense of caste context) - he was Kshatriya - the father of Ikshwaku and ancestor of Shri Ram. I expected at least Kushal to know this basic fact! Btw, before AIM irrationally lashes out like he did on PGurus - I am not in the camp of caste oppression deniers. Just correcting a factual error.
From a rational lens that's not accurate. Unless you believe that Manu was the first human and he wrote the text, in which case his caste would be indeterminate I think. The text itself was composed by the priestly class, which should be fairly obvious from its contents.
His family might have done caste discrimination. I am from a Brahmin family where most lived and died in huts. So not everyone had the capability to do caste discrimination and show power
Sri Chaitanya Mahapravu started anti-caste movement in Bengal , it was literally anti-caste Hindu movement. Nimay Chaitanya was a Bengali Bramhan and many Pasmandas converted into Hinduism to save themselves from Sayedbad.
OK a brahmin re-converted few thousand but you are forgetting about crores who converted because of caste oppression. This will not was sins of brahmins who make huindism week and divided it on caste lines.
@@poojasingh99999 So which caste are you ? Khatriyas were the kings and warriors and did a lot of bloodshed. Ashoka was basically OBC and had inferiority complex about it so butchered massive number of people. How about you pay for your ancestor's sins by let's say jumping off the roof. Instead of fixing a problem you are the kind of idiot that will spend her entire life blaming some people for it. BTW PLEASE DON'T JUMP OFF 😅
no he did not where did u study it lol? google? he was avatar of krsna and radha rani combined he wasnt anti caste as varna is created by krsna go read first chapter of geeta
@@poojasingh99999 what is the evidence. Max Muslims are from maale ganimat . Her nawab , badshah ke huram me huzaron hindu women thi jinse buchhe hue wo sb m@salman hi hue.
AIM, I found your behaviour in PGurus channel very childish, you could have stated your point of view...grow up....I always appreciate your opinion in all channels, but that day was shameful when you just left
@@dbwillrise8 Whatever he was saying, he was saying it in an apt and good way. AIM acted like Lenin when Mensheviks disagreed with what he said. An ill tempered prick
I don't know what happened there but I have stopped watching few PPL on YT and that includes Sree Iyer. Sumit, Sree Iyer and his cohorts are all conspiracy theorists. I used to keep track of his intelligence claims...never ever happened.
AIM was very nasty and rude with Sree Iyer in PGurus channel yesterday. He didn't let Iyer put his point of view, shouted him down and disappeared. so disgusting and so arrogant behavior fro AIM
AIM , if you say collective guilt, then the same goes for muslims in our country then for godhra, partition bloodied trains , Delhi riots, mumbai riots, Mughal era ...the list goes on
@@murarivyas5735 In such sensitive matter AIM should not lecture if he can't do any actual good in field. Most of the Sanatani Field workers are also Brahmin who are educating Pakistani Hindus for free & giving them shelter. If we start to criticize Brahmin then we should also Brought the fact that WHY BRAHMINS ARE GREAT BRAHMINS THE GREAT is in fact a book written by a Muslim IAS officer Niyaz khan
Let me break this down point by point: 1) Manu was ‘a Kshatriya’, not ‘a Brahmin’ on which they based their entire premise with full confidence. 2) If ‘Brahmins’ share a collective responsibility for a few individual collaborators then, does all ‘SC/obc’ people share responsibility for Ambedkar calling ‘scheduled tribes’ as “savages in need of civilising”?? 3) AIM accused ‘Brahmins’ as a group of collaborating with ‘the invaders’ would you have the “guts” to call out the other community for the same: “Ambedkar thought if India became independent it great disaster & ‘Scheduled Castes’ were the earliest source of Man power for East India company” -Viceroy Field Marshal Viscount. 4) Kushal will look the other way when ‘Indian Muslims’ would apply the same parameters and quote the sacchar committee report and blame all of you. Data can be interpreted for ones own gain. It’s the easiest to do this with ‘Brahmins’ cause you won’t face any ‘consequences’ as they’re less than 3% of the population so, go ahead you do it too.
I get you are hurt, but matter of fact is AIM draws broad generalisations about groups of people all the time. At the same time I know he doesn't believe in generalisations. So I think you can either take it in stride and believe the intentions of the man or feel he is the same as the Periyarite nuts down south. After having watched him for so long I believe in the former.
Well about Ambedkar most of our freedom fighters weren’t as great as we are taught Gandhi said. A lot of history about blacks Jews and even Hindus In case f Jews he said smth on the lines of they should have thrown the,selves off of buildings And for Hindus if the Muslims want to wipe us out let them and we shall usher in a new world
@@caxtalec Intention ka roll bana apni g mei daal le vo. We don't care about intentions. He'ls vilifying an entire community& puttin the blame of caste discrimination on them. That's fucked up on so many levels. Foreign expert my ass
@@Tia-cw7szhis conduct was very disappointing and Sree sir deserved better than it, he jus left midway on a live show without even putting forth his argument on the controversy , it was arrogance
AIM: "Brahmins shd have perpetual collective guilt for past crimes and complicity, but my beloved wyt ppl esp. brits shd have zero guilt or remorse abt their past, infact Indians shd whitewash british crimes in India for the purpose of earning their friendship/alliance against common islamist challenge(yes he really said that a few episodes ago on this podcast only), bcz big juicy english kela andar lene mein bohot maza aata hai mujhe har thode mahinon me, sidha dimaag me jaake lagta hai!"
Yes, you are correct. He always white-washed the Western crimes in the trans-Atlantic slave trade saying that since some Africans (such as in Dahomey) captured and sold other Africans, the Europeans (who bought the slaves at the ports and shipped them to the Americas) are absolved. After showing him so many papers and books on how Western Industrialization was fueled by profits from colonization he always dismissed it. This is why blaming one community alone for caste discrimination sounds like wokery. It is these contradictions which were on display today.
I belong to the OBC community and have personally seen my people discriminate against a community considered lower than ours. The point being, casteism wasn’t exclusively practiced by “just” Brahmins. Every community that could… DID participate in this crime against humanity that is casteism. Also, it is irrelevant WHO wrote Manusmriti (whether written by a Kshatriya or Brahmin irrelevant)… What is really relevant is …WHEN it was written ? If it pre-dates any colonizations then can we blame the colonizers for casteism ? I think instead of attacking eachother we should be concentrating on the issue itself. Whether casteism was introduced by foreigners or it was inbred… the hard fact is all our ancestors participated in it or didn’t do much collectively to get rid of it to say the least. I agree with the guys on the part of taking collective responsibility… but to direct most of that responsibility on the Brahmin community is a bit much.
Thanks for saying that. The society as a whole came up with a bureaucratic system that worked initially. As time went by it became a corrupted one that created walled gardens. It's the same throughout the world. I don't know what agenda these people have in trying to shame a particular section of Hindus.
Everyone speaking on manusmriti should read it before referring to it not the translated by McCauley, castism is a societal problem not due to manusmriti. Why these people are including muslims or Christian dalits or obc this is a new propaganda legitimised by supreme court. Does abrahmic religions have caste system When anyone converts they should be out caste equations. Govt should have banned caste system after partition instead of reservation on the basis of caste which legitimised caste post independence.
@@deeneshwargattu9106 I have read the Manusmriti with translations from native translations. In every translation the meaning for the following verses remains more or less the same. If you can provide a better translation for them, please share. I have picked the following because these verses by themselves or by the preceding or following verses seem clearly unfair… but I’m open to be corrected. In fact I’m honestly hoping I’m wrong. 2-100 8-270 8-271 10-125 10-129 Please refer to the Sanskrit verse first and confirm the translation from any Sanskrit expert that you trust. Again… I’m a Hindu… and the last thing I want is to find faults within my own scriptures. But the good part about Sanatana is that we were never the people of the book… so if any of our scriptures do show hints of Adharma… we just simply reject it, acknowledge faults and move on.
I a brahmin,my friend an sc(bank officer son) and another friend (his father burns dead bodies) used to mock at the complexion of an St girl,we changed a lot but the guilt still continues. (We never talked to her)
Brahmins were responsible for some of the best and worst in Hinduism. Vivekananda did not call Kerala a lunatic asylum just for a laugh. Caste discrimination is not restricted to upper castes. The so called "lower or backward castes" were/are engaging in it as well, sometimes much more brutally. Brahmin legacy is a mixed bag, like that of most communities.
But the ‘ lower ‘ castes did have it worse in a lot of places there are exceptions I’m not here for black and white sh*t but for d shades of gray that exist but we can’t go around denying the real thing that as the first sentence of your comment encapsulates
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 They are not inspired by religious doctrine, they are inspired by SOCIAL PREJUDICE. Do you think the have read the so called "offending scriptures?" Are you selectively blind to the casteism shown by "backward" castes? Try mediating between the intercaste marriage of two "backward" castes and you will learn an unforgettable lesson. Please do not mix leftist/abrahamic propaganda into this debate.
When kushal who knows nothing about ground zero gives lectures on caste with flawed facts,it cracks me up.He just to be in the elite bracket calls himself a free speech absolutist but cant take a rebuttal from Sanjay dixit. Abhijit giving Gyan on manusmriti without reading a word....
@@adish7839 Only cause of all this crap is Abhijit's Ego. Rest to just butters him up. As he is center of attraction in this podcast . It was wrong to abuse brahmins, he cant say same about jats n rajputs bcoz he know they will break his @ss beyond he likes it to.
@@samaachaar what is the proof of islamic oppression on u????...what is the proof that islamic invaders r@ped hindu women????...this utterly disgusting denial of the caste attrocities on dalits makes us dalits more and more aggressive towards hinduism...have some shame
@@Manikanta-hh7wp But Brahmins are not in denial. The problem is singling out just them to put the whole blame. Opression of Dalits were done by all UCs, so called OBCs and Dalita in upper rungs too. Eg: Valmikis getting pressed by Jatav Dalit No one blames Muslims for past. They are singled out for their lack of any acknowledgement of any wrongdoing by their side.
@@srajandikshit7590 Brahmins are in deed in denial and gets super defensive in the issue of caste and say British invented caste in India. If UC hindus including brahmins are not willing course correct and keeps crying about reservations, they deserve what's happening.
As said by Savarkar, the Hindu society was bound by seven shackles ( bandi ) viz. prohibition of touch (sparshabandi) of certain castes, prohibition of interdining (rotibandi) with certain castes, prohibition of intercaste marriages (betibandi), prohibition of pursuing certain occupations (vyavasayabandi), prohibition of seafaring (sindhubandi), prohibition of rites sanctioned by the Vedas (vedoktabandi), prohibition of reconversion (shuddhibandi) to the Hindu fold. The remarkable social reform that has taken place in the last 100 years is due to the tireless efforts of social reformers like Savarkar and several others as well.
@@GetOver-og1xj An Employer beats his worker. Frustrated, the worker beats his wife at home. Frustrated, the wife beats her eldest son. Frustrated, the elder son beats his little brother. Who is to blame? The employer? The worker? The wife? Or the eldest son? Or EVERYONE?
@@GetOver-og1xjDo lower castes have any place in the hindu religion? I have been studying the Vedas and it is very clear that Brahmins have laid down their supremacy along with the kshatriya's by making the vaisyas and shudra class their servants. Further, shudras are not aloud to study the Vedas nor pray with the upper caste. How can shudras and untouchables believe in hinduism when they are denounced from the start and cannot even pray with the upper caste. After reading the rules, punishments and sanctions of caste system from hinduism, some of you may say “Is it a joke? How can someone give such harsh treatment to lower caste members finally they are too humans. The enforcement of these rules is and was impossible.’’ Then you should know that these rules actually were in enforcement for many centuries, as compared to the time span I can say, till recent days. And also hinduism don’t consider lower caste members to be humans. In many texts lower caste members have been compared to pigs, dogs and other animals. Today also some of the laws of caste system are being enforced in India in their modern forms.
I feel it is important to recognise the problems of the past. At the same time not paint the entire community with the same idea. This holds true for all communities.
Before I make a comment, let me state that I am a non-Brahmin Hindu who believes in caste-less society. Too many loopholes in their arguments. Even OBCs were known to discriminate against BCs. Even Mahars were known to discriminate against Maangs. So where does this collective guilt stop? All these 3 are privileged guys using big lofty words. Try giving this logic to a middle class, class-topper who has just been denied a seat, just because he was born in open category. How is this not creating a divide in the society? Let us not beat around the bush. Reservation today has turned into a political tool for leaders today. Divide and Conquer is very much alive and kicking. No matter which party comes to power, this is not going to end. Empowerment is the only way forward - irrespective of the caste.
Thank you. I remember AIM saying in a video that only losers of the society whine about their present based on past atrocities. He said this in context of BLM activists. Point to note here is that the anti-black atrocities are well-recorded and unambiguous while our history is very murky (mostly based on the lens of outsiders) where even highest castes where subjected to all kinds of violence and atrocities. But somehow AIM is much more sure about the role of Brahmins as oppressors than even whites. Lack of nuance and use of disingenuous arguments makes him look like a person with an agenda. It's always people like these that have divided the society.
@@gradstudent584 Agree to most of your comment. Not sure if hez a person with agenda, but he surely is a highly egoistic person. He cannot stand an opposing point of view. Some free speech absolutist! And other two are scared of contradicting him. In a podcast, there should be a healthy debate, without throwing temper tantrums. In this video some 50 minutes were wasted in proving AIM right.
Let's wait 15 years. Let the Per Capita Gdp Reach 10k dollars. Reservation will sure shot end by then and even if it remains the upper obc yadav,Jatt,gurjar,krimi would be in general and they will also fight against reservation.
Sham Sharmaji I had such a lot of respect for your this podcast. But today this podcast is horrible Abhijit does not have in depth knowledge of any subject / his knowledge is very superficial but he has the high headedness that he knows everything His knowledge is equivalent to the leftist Dhruv Rathee who try to say nonsense in a very convincing way
Look he’s a macro expert on all this but a micro on defence and as a person who tends to analyse Terese thing he’s right even on the foreign affairs front
Look he’s a macro expert on all this but a micro on defence and as a person who tends to analyse Terese thing he’s right even on the foreign affairs front
Exactly all Germans were responsible for the holocaust... But when it comes to dehumanising the Dalits only Brahmins were responsible.... That's where i disagree with you
Or looked like them he’s not blaming today’s Brahmins but saying it didn’t happen or it want that bad is wrong that’s what the British say about colonisation
@@Tia-cw7szeven saying whole Brahmins discriminated in history is wrong. They are plenty of examples like shudra women care taking children of Brahmins and kshatriyas in history.
Obviously all Indian Hindus are responsible that's why they feel ashamed when asked about untouchability in West , that's why most pretend to be atheist there in the past. But the question will always arise that who made sure it is passed down to generations ? Who codified it ?
AIM lied about that Brahmins got exempted from jizya tax. From Turks till Akbar jiza tax was applied to every class. So AIM should stop lying and hating Brahmins
"In the late 14th century, mentions the memoir of Tughlaq dynasty's Sultan Firoz Shah Tughlaq, his predecessor taxed all Hindus but had exempted all Hindu Brahmins from jizya; Firoz Shah extended it to also include the Brahmins at a reduced rate." ~Vincent A Smith, The Oxford History of India: From the Earliest Times to the End of 1911, Chapter 2, pp. 249-51 For reference: Futuhat-i Firoz Shahi Autobiography of Firoz Shah Tughlaq, Translated by Elliot and Dawson, Volume 3 - The History of India, Cornell University, pp 374-83
I am a Brahmin. And I agree and have witnessed discrimination against dalits. BUT, it is not just Brahmins. In my family there was no one who ever diacriminated. But I know Velama and Kamma communities in Andhra who wouldn't let people from dalit community enter their houses. Not Brahmins, other communities. So get your facts right. Ego getting to your head. I think AIM should stick to geo-politics and STFU about history he clearly doesn't seem to know. Anyway he keeps saying he doesn't give a shit.
They themselves have said in other podcasts that most of the modern oppression is done by obc groups. Brahmins are almost negligible in population anyways.
bro i am not a brahmin but always seen a OBC guy discriminate other only in village. the thing is simple a poor is a poor the caste don't label them and some ppl feel themself superior u can't fuking change this. the poor one get treated ill its common in every friking society. i have seen lot of sc/st change religion which is gud i don't have any problem but they don't live there caste and reservation so 🙄u know what i mean. the real ppl who need help are those who are extremly poor it can be sc,st,obc or gen. NOW crime against brahmin are far more then dalit. i have obc and dalit frnd they are chill and proud of being hindu. as long as they are happy i happy .
He is not talking about modern times But how this evil started in the first place. His anger comes from the fact that Brahmins were supposed to be the most educated & learnt ones among Hindus And yet they kept silent & even formalised such discrimination. Why do you think Germans & Japanese are so much blamed for kilings, it's Bcos Germany was most advanced nation In Europe while Japan was the one in Asia and yet they did such acts that's why they are so much blamed.
To those Brahmins who are saying We shld move on. Until when will u keep moving on. Until when these BJP-Bhakts will completely sideline Brahmins frm Governance & make sure u hv no stake in governance & policy making? Quotas r being increased with each passing day & Reservation in proportion to Population is being Pushed more & more & how long until BJP will also start pushing for it. Population of Brahmins is already insignificant & Amazingly Assam BJP has introduced 'Quotas' in Population Control Bill as well. So u just wait until it get introduced in all BJP ruling states & other parties will follow it only. & more Demography replacement happens. Also to what extent will u accept vilification of Brahmins cuz ultimate plan is to make u all so guilt-ridden that u & ur coming generation will feel shame in calling dhmslvs Brahmins & start dissociating themselves with Brahmin identity and start marrying in other castes to get rid if their Brahmin Identity? This is how they will erase Brahmins from Hindu society. This is their Hinduism. So until when u will keep ignoring & moving on bcz what they are doing is not gonna stop soon & these BJP Bhakts will keep telling u how they are right in doing so & how u deserve all of it.
Pran pratishta is done by a pandit in the presence of the PM IN ancient times the king used to be invited and attended the event. Also the main temple garba graha used to be built the idol was consecrated and then the rest of the temple built which took years or decades .
@@ifinditinteresting.8709 They are shock jocks to say outrageous things without any accountability. They deliberately use crass language to attract the younger crowd because they say whatever they want with conviction. Bhai itna khulke bola ho to sach hi hoga.
@@ThePolymerisst Kushal claimed Smrritis have bad stuff about shudras and women. We don’t have historical data to prove the social condition was there as per the literature. Smritis are timely scriptures to be relevant to the society of that time. Only real accounts will prove that in general, all Brahmins were involved in dehumanization of lower castes to call them all bastards. AIM says it to catch eyeballs.
Please read what Megasthanese wrote about India and Brahmins.....Brahmins are the reason we have Hinduism left...few bad ppl dont represent the whole...
I get your points and I don't deny the fact that cast system used to exist before Britishers too but putting all blames only on Brahmins doesn't seem very right, the system worked because of entire society participating in it. I'll tell a ground zero report here, my family comes from a very small rural village in Rajasthan where caste is still very much practiced in very regressive ways, a smaller caste person shouldn't come into house of upper caste, a upper caste shouldn't drink from same glass as lower caste and all that stuff, but the thing is this is not happening because Brahmins are doing it, it's how the entire system is, my family comes under OBC (patel) and sc, st caste people from the village follow this with obc, so it's not just Brahmin discriminating it's also obc discriminating, it's every caste considered higher than any other caste who is participating in the system, so putting all blame just on Brahmins is not correct. And in those environment people from so-called lower caste believe in those systems too, I mostly live in city once when I visited my village I offered one of the lower caste guys the glass from which I drank and he refused I kept on insisting but he refused, so they too highly beleive in this system and that's how it functions, just making Brahmins the blametaker of everything is not correct
He's not blaming the Brahmin entirely. But you can't deny Brahmins had significant role to play. Look at how they oppose tukaram maharaj, reject to do rajyabhiskeh of shivaji. There are well of which even water is forbidden to Dalits. One must acknowledge that Brahmins did provide rationale to caste system.
@@pratikkantode937 They were the ones who came forward to fight against it also. And Shivaji's fake Sisodia Rajput genealogy was designed by a Brahmin from Banaras only (whose modern-day descendant was participating in Ram Mandir conseracation temple only). So you need to tell full story before cheery picking something and I would love to hear what Islamic Sufis or Christian missionaries did something great for non - Abrahamic people other than converting them with either force or propaganda. At least, Brahmins weren't doing that and were still benevolent towards their faith until those morons try to push forward their version of truth.
@@pratikkantode937 On PGurus, he blamed Brahmins entirely. Hence the onus is on AIM to explain how the specifics of his "Blame Theory" works in different scenarios. The rationale for dividing humans into Homo Eurapaeus, Homo Asiaticus etc., was done by Carl Linnaeus in Sweden. How can Germans be blamed for what happened in WW2. And remember that the Pope of the day also supported the regime, and there were American, French, and British eugenecists who were also scientific racists.
@@TriptiDimri-lu3soand also those who loves every sort of superstitious, pseudo-science driven etc dogmatic stuffs present in the religion as it is mentioned in the ancient scriptures as some sort of a divine revelation. And these concepts are ultimately superior than every modern scientific prowess and technology. The trads folks believes these things made Bharat the utopian superpower and thus these things deserves to remain as it is even today as well
Yr brahmins are targeted and other communities just keep mum ..ki bc apna kya. This thing is taken up by all hindu haters . Now intead of using Hindu to abuse they use brahmin . Specifically khalistani. Brahmins are alone and easy target . All these jai bhim jai mim type of people abuses brahmins , dmk abuses brahmins, Yadavs from sp or lalu abuses brahmins, it satisfies both Hindu haters and their target votebank
How is giving teacher positions to reserved quota candidates who could not even score more than zero marks helps the poor quota primary, middle & secondary school students? Is it not creating a system that is feeding itself??
Shri Iyer maintained his composure and behaved like an adult, not just that tried to cover up for AIM as if he were his own son. AIM displayed his left wing behaviour, cried like a baby, and left.
Did you watch the full show?? Sree Iyer was crying like a b*tch like your comments deeply hurt me, blah blah blah, before AIM even uttered a word. He could have just ignored the situation and went straight to QA.
@@dbwillrise8 B*tch xD. You andhbhakts of AIM talk like him. Kabhi kabhi lagta hai ki tumhe ghar mei chain se bandhke rakha jaata hai. AIM ke parents bureacrats the, tumhare koi working class log honge, He got bailed after what he said abt temple, you wouldn't be. Good language is wisest language. It can help you while in trouble.
I agree to the fact that India was never a lala land there are obvious evidences of oppressions to a section of the society throughout the history of Indian civilization but my question is are only the Brahmin responsible or guiltyfor that situation? We can't wash away by stating Maurya or other such examples to claim there was no castism in ancient India. Without accepting the mistakes/crimes of the past we wouldn't be able to move forward so we should stop denying such facts.
Look I don’t mean to justify that behaviour but look at it from his side he’s a Brahmin and as a person who ( I assume from what I’ve understood) delves deep into the sociological side of things
AIM really needs to stop at this point. He is just making it worse for everyone trying to support him. I really like this show but his rant today was getting out of hand. His ego is getting better of him.
Dude has lost it. I'm unsubscribing from this shit of an intellectual show. And this sham Sharma is like Rahul Gandhi who laughs at everything and keeps encouraging his nonsense.
I also unfollowed all 3 in Twitter and unsubscribed the YT channels. I was expecting an apology so that we all could move on but these guys are doubling down in crap
Lol and what about Trads ? They stand exposed Now folks from RW going all after Shankaracharya's of Govardhan Mutt too .No amount of Maulana modi pejoratives ,birth based varna theories would work . Eng game for Upword
Here to watch the meme review. Don’t give too much importance to their free thoughts and their inflated egoistic opinions. I infer this from the comments here.
Every society has seen their share of class oppression. It is basic human nature. Varna system in its true form was to counter this and did succeed in doing so
Yaaa par yaha abhi bhi haina thoda zayada hi, aur trads caste ko support krte hai. agar har jagah bhi ho aisa toh it doesnt matter kyuki hai toh galat hi naah. We should aspire to end caste by birth.
I think ppl are taking things out of context as person who rewatched a lot of their videos ( was looking for smth in particular) I can see the context in things they gave talked about on this show or others previously
And yea it was every where but doesn’t mean we concoct history here he said that on some show the other day he doesn’t mean to demean the community ( he’s a Brahmin himself) It s about false narratives and history
Qustion to all three panelist. What was the caste of swami vishwamitra and valmiki were they brahmins?? There is something know as verna system in our vedic civilization. There was no hierarchy in our original scriptures as is in our parliamentary system today. You three must read Jati, verna and caste author Rajiv Mahotra!
@@bornwithlegacy manyavar bornwithlegacy Hota hai aisa hota hai Jab youtube se aarambh hai prachand wale shorts dekh ke hinduism sikha jaaye Aisa hi hota hai Par jis confidence se aapne mujhe galat bola hai Usi confidence se zara quote kriye valmiki ji ka janm varna
@@pushkar308 mujhe enlightenment ka gyaan baad me dena pehle khud jaake do chaar granth padh lo Padma puran me hi mentioned hai that valmiki was bramhin by birth ue used to live with dacaoits aur unke sangat me bigad gye Fir tapasya kri aur khud ko sudhara
This time this podcast was fact less, idiotic and irrelevant, and what amazes me a lot is the seriousness of the panel while shitting in their pants all through the podcast.
22:00 people don't blame current muslims for the past actions of their ancestors.. But the very actions of the current muslims: of shouting tera mera rishta with pakistan, of sar tan se judah, of illegally occupying public places and making mazhars etc.
I am not a caste discrimination denier. However, will AIM ever use "Muslim bastards" for the kind of atrocities their kings committed? There is collective guilt for Brahmins to share but never for Muslims for being complicit in atrocities. Kushal talks about 2 kinds of negationism i.e., caste discrimination by sections of RW and Record of Islam(Not Islamism) in India by Leftists and Muslims. True but are these on the same level? No, there is reservation, SC/ST Atrocities Act and other specific schemes for lower castes which proves the acknowledgement of caste discrimination by the Indian State. On the other hand, there is government funding of Madrassas, special schemes for Muslims like scholarship, etc., WAQF Act, places of Worship Act, etc. Let alone acknowledging the record of Islam(Not Islamism) and Christian colonization in India, the Indian State actively suppresses the records in our History books by showing them as secular rulers and PM Modi praises Francis Xavier, who was the architect of Hindu genocide in Goa. As if even this is not enough, the Indian State further oppresses Hindus with RTE Act, Places of Worship Act, Temple Control, etc. and mollycoddles to oppressive Abrahamic, so called, minorities. The negationism of Caste Discrimination is not institutionalised but negationism of Record of Islam(not Islamism) in India is Institutionalized. This asymmetry in narrative has to be acknowledged. The narrative in India is completely lop-sided against Hindus, specially current General Category Hindus and I am not a casteist for saying it. Also, these people are talking about being accused of wokeism, is SC/ST Atrocities Act not an Indian version of CRT where the oppressor and the victim is defined on the basis of group identities? Are gynocentric laws not based on same principles of collective victimhood on the basis of group identity (won't blame AIM for this because he has raised concerns on gynocentric laws but Kushal completely ignores it)? Moreover, Kushal was stripped naked by Anand Ranganathan for not being open to airing different views on his podcast while he claims to be very open-minded. Instead of introspecting, he doubled down. Now, AIM is also doing the same by bringing this collective guilt on Brahmins nonsense and is doubling down on the same.
I am interested in listening to this exchange between Anand Ranganathan and Kushal. Could you tell when that exchange took place? I don't listen to Carvaka Podcast anymore since Kushal kicked me out of the live chat a year ago.
Well myself being a Brahmin and even coming from Lower middle class section have never questioned reservation as I've seen discrimination against Dalits not just by Brahmins but also by OBCs and SCs as well. The main problem of discrimination is poverty, if a man is poor then he's sure to get discriminated and that's why reservation is important for those who needs it, but what about those who have already benefitted by reservation? I've no problem if a poor dalit or a person from lower cast gets reservation and use it to uplift his family from poverty, it's a beautiful story but why his/ her kids get reservation even if they can afford their education, I know about Creamy layer and it's in OBC section, but why a rich/upper middle class SC/ST dalit needs reservation in first place? He/she already got benefitted from it. There is a flaw and a huge one in this system and you guys overlooked it just to prove your agenda.
Simple google search with a question "Was Manu a Brahmin?" threw me with this info. When Abhijit said Manu was Brahmin, I was taken aback. So, your whole discussion has false basis. I am not talking about non-left. Just simple google search. Even present left accepts it but not you people. Secondly, indeed the lived experience of people & poverty table you showed indeed are correct but you don't acknowledge the degradations of the original concepts or Varna system particularly after Islamic & British invasion. You are targeting Brahmins because they are soft targets but Veer Savarkar pointed out that even within so called lower casts, they follow a cast system within them. eg Kunbis or Bhandaris in Maharashtra will not treat Mahars with equal respect. The whole discussion particularly near Jan 22 was unnecessary. About Manu: The term Manu has various meanings in Hinduism. In early texts, it refers to the archetypal man, or to the first man (progenitor of humanity) 1. The Sanskrit term for ‘human’, मनुष्य (IAST: manuṣya) or मानव (IAST: mānava) means ‘of Manu’ or ‘children of Manu’ 1. In later texts, Manu is the title or name of fourteen rulers of earth, or alternatively as the head of dynasties that begin with each cyclic kalpa (aeon) when the universe is born anew 1. The title of the text Manusmriti uses this term as a prefix, but refers to the first Manu - Svayambhuva, the spiritual son of Brahma 1
Blaming brahmins for caste system is nothing but indian version of critical race theory. There can never be a collective guilt. People are individuals. Abhijit never speaks so passionately about Islam and Muslims. For some reason, there is no collective guilt for massacre of Hindus by Muslims. This show has become woke as fuck. These guys flaunt scriptures as if they know everything.
AIM is mixing up his argument. I am talking precisely about pgurus. Sri was only saying, why only alienate Brahmins alone, and Abhijit threw tantrums.. yeah Sri was also stating half facts like Brahmins did not own lands.. But AIM was totally unreasonable and unfair in that show ..
He wasn’t alienating Brahmins in general. He was talking about the community in that particular context. These guys have been very vocal about atrocities committed by other communities (like OBCs, etc.) as well for a long time. It was a cropped clip posted by someone with a dubious history of purposefully misleading audiences and sending rabid mobs to attack someone in a similar manner. Remember Nupur Sharma? It’s ridiculous that we also fell for the same trick. Sree has known Abhijit for a long time and should have known better than targeting him like that over that clip.
@@_Ironhide Sree Iyer lives in the US where wokery and critical race theory has reached dangerous proportions. One of the premises of CRT is that the current day descendants of past oppressors are also guilty. AIM was given an opportunity to explain and he doubled down on the CRT version applied to the Indian context, .i.e., critical caste theory. On that show AIM joined the ranks of Marxists, Periyarists, etc who were saying the same decades ago.
@@MrLee-gj2jzwell nope aim wasn't talking about current decendants of the oppression it was about the collective benefit of the brahmins and their descendants who benefitted from caste system and dehumanised the shudras and dalits if brahmins desbdants shouldn't be blamed then why the british for the colonisation it was only few who colonised the country
@@raghavnamasivayam8706 I watched that show live. He was very clearly applying critical caste theory to the Indian context. This is when he is very vocally against critical race theory and also blames Africans for getting colonized. So it is AIM who needed to explain why he is supportive of CCT while he is against CRT. His answer was the same BS that theory of caste was introduced by Brahmins. Now that is a bizarre statement given that the Varanashrama boils down to the Purusha Sukta in the Rig Veda. Given that most Hindus believe that the Vedas are apaurusheya (or revealed) it cannot be the invention of any one or a group of persons. Even if one applies a non-religious POV, the fact is that in complex societies the emergence of hierarchies is a natural phenomenon. And the existence and development of hierarchies are a crucial component of any complex system. So he was wrong there as well. On the original SSS, his claim was that SCs, STs, OBCs were the real fighters against Turko-Islamic invasions and Brahmins colluded with the invaders. This is again a very generic statement and is mostly inaccurate.
Reservation is just a grand manifestation of victim mindset...every community in the whole world has faced some sort of injustice at some point in history..grow up and get over it...shed the victim mindset
This is the worst show guest wise, where 2 reformers will always give Gyan about freedom of expression,but the moment you disagree with them, they will say u r wrong and they r only right.
Shivaji Maharaj donated entire fort for ram temple and ram worship in the 16th century. Ramdas swami, guru of Shivaji Maharaj raised many temples in satara district of maharatra.
Guys I have always enjoyed your discussions. However was a little surprised Sham explaining the show. Don’t defend negative views, continue the good work casually. I too don’t agree with every opinion but your show makes sense. I’m happy exploring skills on fields we are not active!
AIM has increasingly become more and more an irritable and intolerable character . Even arrogant , often using abusive language . It is possible he has a borderline personality disorder ( BPD ) often suffering from recurrent health issues .
I am not a cast oppression denier despite of being from lineage of saraswat Brahmins. I am guaranteed somewhere down the line even my ancestors must’ve played a role. Hell I use to see it as a child with people of my grandparents generation towards the sweepers and cleaners. I didn’t understand it then but now I do and there is absolutely no excuse to it. Having said that AIM, Sham, and Kushal are filled with half knowledge and they’re in no position to lecture others.
To those Brahmins who are saying We shld move on. Until when will u keep moving on. Until when these BJP-Bhakts will completely sideline Brahmins frm Governance & make sure u hv no stake in governance & policy making? Quotas r being increased with each passing day & Reservation in proportion to Population is being Pushed more & more & how long until BJP will also start pushing for it. Population of Brahmins is already insignificant & Amazingly Assam BJP has introduced 'Quotas' in Population Control Bill as well. So u just wait until it get introduced in all BJP ruling states & other parties will follow it only. & more Demography replacement happens. Also to what extent will u accept vilification of Brahmins cuz ultimate plan is to make u all so guilt-ridden that u & ur coming generation will feel shame in calling dhmslvs Brahmins & start dissociating themselves with Brahmin identity and start marrying in other castes to get rid if their Brahmin Identity? This is how they will erase Brahmins from Hindu society. This is their Hinduism. So until when u will keep ignoring & moving on bcz what they are doing is not gonna stop soon & these BJP Bhakts will keep telling u how they are right in doing so & how u deserve all of it.
Oppression was never a thing at any point of time. Yes u can call it discrimination (if u think that every occupation not being open to everybody is discrimination) but oppression, NO it was never a thing. Our ancestors invented a system of social system whr everybody had a role to play & whr everybody was dependent on each other rather the so called Lowe Caste Jobs were more lucrative & cld be more dominating & being a Brahmins is a hardest job as per Shastras. But it's human nature to make things corrupt & try to exploit it by finding some loopholes with time & in our case our time is literally Milleniums. Our ancestors created a system whr everybody had a source of wealth thus everybody cld afford a well to do life. We weren't world's richest & most developed region for no reasons. But as everything has it's Pros & Cons, ours was no different. But it was Huge Positive with little negative. & when Invaders started coming...it changed things completely & for bad of course. They started treating different castes differently creating evn more differences & strengthening a false sense of superiority among many which ultimately turned toxic to certain extent. & then due to Modern Industrial Revolution & Colonial policies things bcm evn more complicated & gap widened. But for large portion of History Oppression was never there. Reality is caste-varna system is the reason we somehow sustained the continuous onslaught of 1000 yrs bcz our jatis r close-knitted small small groups who provided all type of support to each other & everyone did theit duties to safeguard their dharma. But modern Education which sees everything through the lens of oppressor & it's victim shaped our Politics which in turn emboldened this narrative starting this viciout cycle whr Brahmin is everybody's villian. & BJP & its leader r product of this cycle & this time only. So it's not surprising that They also want eradication of Brahmin identity. & Right Wing Ecosystem which is now, evn more than ever, just another term for "BJP, rather Modi, Fan Club" will keep justifying How & Why deserve that. Brahmins are political orphan.
@@Ds-oj5py Unfortunately, Brahmins don't think long term. We are dumb enough to not consider the stuff you have mentioned. We are the first to accept all blames as gospels and apologixe for things we might not have done. Very dangerous for a minority that's undergoing genocides while simultaneously being blamed for ills in the society.
@@Ds-oj5pyok BJP is increasing Qoutas, then what other parties like Congress or any other are doing?...aren't they too ignoring or increasing qoutas?..listen we don't care....we are INDIAN first after that Hindu and then after we r Brahmans...even though resident of india are by default Hindu....anyways I may not agree with everything they say but I am against caste system very well and I accept both wrong doing and many good deeds of my ancestors. To every person who was discriminated by my ancestors...I apologize and I am working to help change society.
@@Ds-oj5pylisten u say oppression is not a thing?....I have seen people from upper caste( not just Brahman but rajput, thakur etc) treating lower caste people as if they are below them....living in cities is ok but to check reality go in any village u will see truth if u wish to see....
I say Sai deepak has better positions when it comes to reservations There are other people who are ultimately giving alternatives to caste based reservation I think we don't need to get our facts right from these guys Better to just stick with Abhijit on defense related issues cause his positions on social issues are full of inconsistency, hypothesis, hypocrisy and generalization.
Sai is popular among the negetionists as he supports most Hindu practices including Jati pratha... whereas Abhijeet pushes them to cognitive dissonance... They are catering to different audiences.
@@ytskt I think this is the case for everyone not just me certainly TH-cam is no place for debate PS: I literally wrote a long take on this so believe me vocabulary is the issue for me
9:40: Classic example of confounding variables not presented in scientific studies. Additionally, the source mentioned is authors' estimates. The image you presented doesn't differentiate between the regions where each group is concentrated in. For example, there may 30% of the geography of India, where 90% of the population is SC, ST, OBC and 10% others; In those regions, everyone may be deprived in the indicators mentioned in the study, in which case the difference can't be attributed to caste but regional deprivation. Can you blame casteism in that case where regional leaders are not improving social indicators? I believe this study presents skewed data.
Manu, writer of Manusmriti is not a Kshatriya. There are different Yugas and Manu who wrote Manusmriti is a Brahmin. Also Basically Zubair Won. Abhijit iyer and Shri Iyer are not in talking terms. Abhijit was wrong in Behaving in that way with Sri Iyer
First of all, the term Manu Smriti is itself a misnomer. It is actually Manava Dharmasastra. There are 50 odd manuscripts which are collectively being called the Manusmriti. There are many Manus mentioned in the Puranas. If Swayambhuva Manu was indeed the Manu who wrote it, then that Manu was the very first man. How can there be a societal hierarchy with just 1 man? So it beats me as to how Swayambhuva Manu becomes a Brahmin by default. You are correct that Zubair won.
@@ShishirAcharya-sd4gi watch the interview of yoji ji and also madhya pradesh sabha in which bjp said to Congress that they should take part in Krishna janmabhumi movement. Ayodhya to Sirf jhanki hai Mathura Kashi baki hai
@@ShishirAcharya-sd4gi kyunki vo zyada catchy hai aur 1 hafte me praan prathishtha aur zyada samay se Ram Mandir movement was going on. Dheere dheere shuru hoga. Toda sabar karo
ECONOMICALLY DEPRIVEN SHOULD BE THE BASIS OF RESERVATION. Punjab and UP Brahmins were /are adressed as *MANGKHANI JAAT*by other castes. when Pujari Brahmin died..his family literally survived on Dole outs ,Very few Brahmins were/are affluent.ELITISM IS THE CAUSE OF DISCRIMINATION. THIS COLLECTIVE BLAME AND USING METAPHORS OF HOLOCAUST HIGHLY OBJECTIONABLE.
Caste Must Become Irrelevant, all humans and beings on one platform. I want invitation for Pran Prathista, why Bollywood and cricket celebrities, why not me
What’s interesting is all these wire and co will never show that it’s an obc doing the Pran Prathishta And I’m not here for a politician doing it not because it disturbs the. Secularism and shit a]we in India follow principled distance I just think he takes credit for everything and loves validation that’s the problem with the bjp validation and congresses problem is that they think they are beyond the need of validation
As a Brahmin. I did feel bad. At the end of the day, we have common interest so I moved on. However, there are types of Brahmin with different saturation points. A Brahmin with low saturation point might even kill you for saying this if he finds you irl
Until when u will keep moving on. Until when these BJP-Bhakts will completely sideline Brahmins frm Governance & make sure u hv no stake in governance & policy making? Quotas r being increased with each passing day & Reservation in proportion to Population is being Pushed more & more & how long until BJP will also start pushing for it. Population of Brahmins is already insignificant & Amazingly Assam BJP has introduced Quotas in Population Control Bill as well. So u just wait until it get introduced in all BJP ruling states & other parties will follow it only. Also to what extent will u accept vilification of Brahmins cuz ultimate plan is to make u all so guilt-ridden that u & ur coming generation will feel shame in calling dhmslvs Brahmins & start dissociating themselves with Brahmin identity and start marrying in other castes to get rid if their Brahmin Identity? This is how they will erase Brahmins from Hindu society. This is their Hinduism. So until when u will keep ignoring & moving on bcz what they are doing is not gonna stop soon & these BJP Bhakts will keep telling u how they are right in doing so & how u deserve all of it.
@@Ds-oj5pyA true Brahmin's life is not easy, in fact it's most difficult. A true Brahmin' should dedicate life knowing the Brahman, should live a satvik life (which is not just food btw, it's far beyond that), should not accumulate any material wealth (in fact, they should live on alm/dana from others), should not do business (Vaishsya's dharma), should not do any job or service for others (or else you are in fact, a Shudra). Anyone would admire who strictly practices the above... conflict arises when some claims to be so just because of their family names, without any of the above sacrifices or gunas. Unfortunately vast majority of today's Brahmin are like this.
@@ytskt so what's the solution vilify Brahmins, sideline them from governance & delegitimise them...make them so guilt-ridden that it bcms impossible to be Brahmin...weaken them financially, socially & politically at same time demean their identity so much that their remains no pride in being Brahmin rather it becomes a matter of shame so that Brahmins start marrying in other castes diluting their own identity & those who won't sccummb to this intercaste thing would perish under harsh economic, social & political condition. This is how they want to replace the Brahmins & end the Brahmin identity. This is their population replacement theory for Brahmins.
First video that I am disliking of Sham Sharma Show where they just had a conversation based on the left construct of Caste oppression for centuries. How could Shankaracharya ask for something which was not existing? Caste discrimination came into existence because of many things and Brahmins are not the reason. By simple logic, how could a minority Brahmins could hold on to majority of the population for centuries for centuries. Bharath being a Dharmic society will never accept oppression of any community on another.
It's as if the rest of the Hindus had no brains and were all led like sheep by Brahmins. So, do they also believe that Brahmins are genetically superior which gives them such powers?
@@varungumma6751 There is fierce revolt against Mughals in just 190 years and what you talking about Brahmin oppression for centuries. This only proves my point that an oppressive regime cannot last for many years. Even in the 190 years you quoted, there were always revolts and the rule was never all over Bharath. Many Kings revolted and even local tribes revolted. The Mughal rule with all the force of swords couldn't last for two centuries and you are saying Brahmins without any sword lasted for many centuries. Introsepct!
@@kprashanth8176 s revolt is going on still, reservation being still inefficiently implemented by politicians and lower strata of society still being oppressed, jai shree ram
@@varungumma6751 Okay, who is actually being oppressed today. Go online and bash abuse Brahmins like AIM did in all his recent podcasts. You will be hailed as a hero. Now, do the same except bash SC/ST or lower castes, you will be in jain on SC/ST attrocity act. Who is being oppressed again?
"sc st were doing the dharam raksha" my ass British were able to convert only 1 brahmin family into Christian Brahmins were the most hostile group towards British They themselves stated that
That's a 1543 Paper my boy. They were not the British. Also they talked only about a certain area in Goa. They then went berserk there and converted everyone, those who didn't had to flee or die. Why sc/St deserves our respect is because they were tormented both by the Hindus and muslims but still didn't give up their dharama.
@@HumanityNotDoomedas if one sc Community didn't discriminate with other?? Dude bramins were not even 5 percent of population and mostly were out of social life and luxuries How can oppress 95 percent remaining population
Well, that is not exactly true. One of the oldest regiments of the East India Company were the 3rd Brahmanas. The amount of ethnography and caste data that the British collected could not have been done without local knowledge. However, they were not the only community to have colluded with invaders.
Ambedkar also supported jogendra nath mandal who supported formation of Pakistan because he thought he will get more rights in Pakistan. Most of the Muslims in india are pasmanda who are basically dalit.
The popular version of Manusmriti is full of contradictions translated from a manuscript with commentary, from 18th-century Calcutta. It was one of the first to be translated into English. Other manuscripts are very different from this one. Manu lived at the time of Sapt Rishis, there is no way he can get away with all the nonsense that you read in the popular version. Shri Rām definitely followed a more authentic version of Manusmriti.
These people were educated by the left and it shows. Would love AIM to discuss this with J Sai Deepak. Literally 3 books on the origins of caste and how they were used by colonialists and he still parrots the "Brahmins oppressed everyone" bs. If Brahmins did then clearly youre call everyone else stupid and dumb to still be Hindu despite priests opressing them. Im not saying there weren't bigots with bigotted ideas but collective guilt? So because people happen to have been born in a family that had a Brahmin ancestor and surname they should be answerable and guilty for everyone in the profession? Should all doctors feel guilt for the bad actions of a few bad doctors? Tf is this rhetoric. I was born in a Punjabi Brahmin family. We were poor historically and only because of my hard efforts got lifted to relatively middle socioeconomic status. Our house is still literally broken concrete traditional home in the pind in Punjab. If I was shown evidence of my direct ancestor being oppressive I'd feel bad but I didn't do it so why would I feel guilty. That's like saying all shudras everywhere should feel like victims despite not facing prejudice in their personal lives. They're really bringing this white vs black American collective guilt bs here. AIM openly states he grew up with well off parents who sent him to rich private schools and it clearly shows. Definitely not going to waste my time watching people who literally think Manu was a Brahmin & not the Kshatriya he actually was. There were thousands of Manu's in history; my cousin is named Manu. First figure out which Manu wrote the Manusmriti then make a podcast. Second smriti and shruti are different. Educate yourself on the difference between literature and scripture because by the sounds of it you get your ideas of religion from literature which is exactly what a smriti is. I guess we should all learn what Christianity is from Harry Potter. I lost IQ points watching this.
Disagree with the views on reservation. Only entitled folks like you people (no offence) think today's indian society needs caste based reservation. You are not affected by it. Neither are the people who can go out and study abroad, or in high paying private colleges. Most of the students in the country competes to study in good government schools, volleges, universities & are affected by it.
exactly, khud to US me masti karege, apn india wale "general" discrimination face kre, aur agar nahi nikal paye to apne bache same discrimination face krege.
Well then the ancestors of brahmins wee benefited from caste system they benefit properties and provelehed the so called lower castes are dehumanised they are poor their betterment should be reservation
@@mountolympus1098 yeh wala podcast sunna fir se.. chidh nahi raha hu, uski hypocrisy dikha raha hu..he is saying he wont that all muslim are bad blah blah just because few are bad.. but sab bhramin kharab hai..he just keep balancing to maintain image of being centrist but irl he doesnot know gorund reality and keep speaking stupid stuff.
Abhijit is losing all the respect. Firstly, he is absolutely wrong with all the predictions (Ukraine-Russia, Israel-Gaza, Indian elections, about Modi). Secondly, he is completely disconnected from reality and regular Indians. Thirdly, he is abusive, bully, and hypocritical. He self contradicts a lot.
He grew up in different countries to parents in government. Educated in Latin and rich private schools. How do you expect someone like that to be in touch with the average Indian let alone Hinduism & history? He's just another coconut who is brown outside and white inside teaching us savage Hindu heathens what our history and religion is about because of course only the civilized coconut would know about these subjects not those of us that live it.
Yes abhijeet predictions have always been wrong...i still remember how confidently he said congress woukd win 2/3rd of votes in MP....he has immense knowledge of history nd geo politics...bt he is not expert in eveeything
@@divyanshrana1925 Shree's voice tone was polite. He kept asking AIM to prove him wrong. AIM was constantly screaming "I don't f***ing care. It's very much about what I care..."
I am a Brahmin and yes Castiesm was there, and it is there till now somewhere. But I want to ask Abhijeet that were Brahmins were the only one discriminating? Weren't Jaat, Rajput's, Baniyas discriminating against Dalits and among each other. My point is simple that I am aware and sorry as a human for what Dalits have gone through in past but does it give Dalits right to abuse me for simply being a Brahmin in present. I won't tolerate that ever.
Relax guys. If that side is coming after you, You are on the right track. Chill. Genuinely, if Congress spokespersons are using your show as a 'talking point', REJOICE 😂. imagine how they have been waiting to get your show. You are making an impact
Whatever discrimination had sipped into the society, is it only for Brahman? No Kshyatreeya, Viashyas are to be blamed? Please while discussing, do it completely…And then also highlight on how British started creating more n more groups by each Census and created all these SC, ST, OBC n all…
one community is not to blame. Yup! But Brahmans do had a deep influence in society, they were the teachers. Read how Dayanand ji had influenced many many kings and businessmen of india who had then donated acres of land for construction of DAV schools across India. Look how Malviya ji made many kings donate for education of all. They were respected by kings, because they were knowledgeable "Brahman". But at same team when we read their biographies, it's how much opposition they faced from their own Brahmin community, dayanand ji had even suffered fatal attacks during shashtrarth in Kashi, in the presence of Kashi Naresh. Since this all discrimination started, there must have been brahman like Dayanand and Malviya ji who would have tried to end it, but people thought to give those people attention only when we suffered a hard it by Britishers. Had foreign invasion not jolted us, no one would have listened to even dayanand, vivekanand or even malviya ji. In present times too, because we have become a free developing nation, discrimination is not being considered a problem by many.
You guys are really generalising now that its always the upper cast Brahmans who discriminated again the low cast peoples. But there are certain casts in brahmins as well who are treated in similar lines as of low cast people. They dont even tell that they belong to that particular caste bcz nobody even wants to even stand with them let alone have any relation with them. If you really again discrimination please bring up their stories as well.
@@Tia-cw7sz Yaa I agree. But People should know that some brahmins are also "untouchables". It's a general issue not just specific to low cast Peoples.
@@_marcos_omthe brahmins were inventors of caste if brahmins aren't inventors of caste the british aren't for colonisation as only few ruling class colonised india
When you speak some random shit and start to justify it with even more shit every idiot will come to take advantage of the situation and create divisions. Well done!
I know many Brahmins who openly accept they discriminated, but other communities then brahmins, they save brahmins with perspective in positive way, where as they were suppress by Brahmins.
Both type people we saw actually some were taking out for there some mausi mausa incident which we didnt even know never been to that place and most are good logical also who counter them like boss we agree hua hoga tumhare gaonme kisine toh comfort that particular person he/she is actually responsible you cannot go on and comfort a person who not even been there in life. Even in Brahmins some extremely powerful shayad abhi bhu dur darajme honge where they are rich but there were also poor Brahmins who literally had livelyhood only on Bhiksha.What people choose is to bully them who listen they will scold random person in cosmopolitian city who work with Muslim,SC and all castes has no share whatsoever usko bolte hai they never go to rural area and call out actual perpetrators those people are powerful there. Rich surpress poor thats the thing everybody has their fare share of mistake no need to fingure pointing phir koi blega Jaish wale muslim hai toh sare muslim should feel ashmed kyu bhai Jaishwalose bolo dont harass common muslim who is working with you by general statement.Phir wo Muslim sacchar report leke ayega bolega sare hindu aise hai boss enough fingure pointing aise toh is duniyame sub galat hai nobody is sahi better avoid general provocative things speak decently only on incident sometimes generalization is complete unnessary call out exact person if you know.
AIM acted like a complete absolute jerk on PGurus. Absolute shame. He behaved exactly like the leftists who cannot tolerate facts and counter points. He shares more with the JNU canal than any of us. He is elitist and likes to show off his money any chance he gets. His attitude is not lost on any of us. Btw, you r not the only one who has some money and is educated. Spouting off academic heavy words doesn’t make you more correct. Rather, that “education” shuts you off to actual thinking and reality. And when confronted with logic and facts, he would shut you off. Anyways, my last mention of him. He doesn’t deserve it.
@@dbwillrise8I watched P Guru episode shree was sharing his point of view,which may or may not correct.But the way Abhijit behaved was surely not right. Abhijit tried to impose his point of view. Neither all Brahmin did wrong not all SC ST or OBC actions are right. Whatever wrong happened no-one denying that but that doesn't mean u start abusing every Brahmin.
These 3 guys need to think over. One can make reasonable arguments and respectful conversations. It's acceptable even if the point of views are extreme. What these guys do is just randi Rona acts and hurl abuses.
What do you mean bro? If AIM and Kushal starts bashing Hindus more aggressively for caste discrimination/dehumanization, Congress will love it. Perhaps AIM is predicting BJP defeat in 2024 and has already started pivoting to wokery.
Today was the unfortunate day that I lost respect for AIM and Kushal, more so for AIM. And the worst part was that that's exactly what INC wanted. I looked up how he behaved on PGurus and my respect dropped to the very depths. He behaves no differently than a absolutist leftist. The fact that Brahmins had their own exodus after Gandhi's death when they were targeted because of Godse, doesn't even enter most conversations. My own grandfather had to flee his hometown. I've seen literally no one say that caste discrimination should exist or that Brahmins did not do it, mostly people are arguing that other communities were complicit and oppressed other castes too. They're saying that Brahmins have been singled out of reservations despite that fact, and yet they welcomed that decision for 75+ years. It's such a dumb argument by Kushal that "All castes should've suffered under British if caste discrimination was exploited by them", but Savarkar had written very clearly that giving administrative positions to Brahmins was strategic for three reasons - 1) They mostly held the knowledge about HInduism in those days, (2) They were hesitant in conversions, (3) Creating economic and power gaps between castes was an easy way to convert a huge chunk of the economically poor. This is all just sad. Today is a sad day.
46:00 but me being a gurjar belonging to my community means we worship devnarayan ( devta- avtar of vishnu) born in our community in 9th century CE we listen about the story of family war of 24 gurjar bagdawat brothers .... We have bhoopa ( who sing stories ) we have consecrated temple of devnarayan with shiv ling where mysticism is the main thing in all gurjar community......our gods . AND I THINK WE HINDUS IN ALL COMMUNITES SURVIED conversion because mysticism was the center for us and gods spoke to us and still god comes in our body when we do rituals ...so thats why It cant be a caste NIL society......but it can be anti caste - discrimination society.
@@Tia-cw7sz why do you assume that some varna is bad? And that they need to change from that? This exact notion of looking at x y z varna/caste as bad is the biggest reason of the plight of shudras
This show sounded like trying to diffuse the tension Kushal said its just acknowledgement that horrible things happened and not collective guilt/apology. But thats not what Abhijit was on about - he was repeatedly insisting on collective guilt/apology of brahmins alone . Its not about Abhijit's lack of better wording Kushal, Abhijit was being deliberate in what he said and you're trying to provide cover by "its just acknowledgement" argument. Sounds like motte bailey . Talk all outrageous things and when caught, use the "its just ....." point - something that you cannot attack or question (ofcourse horrible things happened ,everyone is to blame) What Abhijit said, thats exactly the language of leftists or d stocks - they want them to be permanently apologetic for their lifetime. The only difference is unlike d stocks, AIM dint call for genocide of brahmins
Guys, "caste" is a British construct. Why is there a confusion about this, when the first "caste pilot" was run in Bengal in 1871, and there are British records to prove it?
Yutacan caste war from south america is an interesting read. The natives of yutacan island didn't knew they had caste until Spanish christian colonisers arrived. Sistema de casta and limpieza de sangre is also an interesting read.
Abhijit nobody takes you seriously 😊 predictions you gave us in 3-4 yrs were all false . All your analysis, observations about external affairs was wrong. Tumne to s jai shanker ki bhi burai ki thi. You only give all contradictory remarks everywhere. So you comparing Holocaust with so called Brahmin atrocities on that massive scale without any reference. And you want collective guilt 😂😂 bhai kya krna hai desh chor de sb choti wale ? Kyonki tune to kuch kiya nai , you r here to giving gyan only 😂😂 Ask the so called victims what they want ? They don't want cast free society, 30 % lakr collector jo bnnana hai fir sara kaam kisi Brahmin se krwana hai bcoz they have not that skill to manage anything. Go and check all govt. Sectors and work culture findout the root cause. Social media is for baketi only
Firstly when we comment about a society of the past we should have the full picture. One cannot deny that what we call casteism existed in pre-colonial and pre-Muslim India, but I have two objections with the general tone in this discussion and similar others 1. Caste discrimination was practised not just by Brahmanas but by almost all castes, yet its Brahmanas who are pilloried. Even within a lower caste between a higher subcaste to a lower subcaste. It was all pervasive. In most of caste violence acts of today, its landed castes who are perpetrators, not Brahmins 2. If you read our Grihya sutras, Dharma sutras - Apastamba, Baudhyana, Vashishta etc you will see the life of Brahmana as prescribed by it was hard, disciplined, given to tapas and svadhyaya. They were supposed to only live of dakshinas. Of course, this was the theory, but many Brahmins then and very few now still live that strict austere life. While there are references of ten thousand cows being donated there are also frequent references in Puranas etc of poverty amongst Brahmins and this was self-inflicted as they lived by a strict code. Todays Brahmins are only in name, we can hardly even imagine living such a life. Its thanks to those Brahmanas that we have much of our heritage like the Vedas, Vedanga, Upavedas, Purana, Itihasa and advancements in several branches of learning be it maths, astronomy, metallurgy, linguistics, psychology and so much more. So I think they do deserve our respect.
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“Brahmins are difficult to ‘convert’! If it were not for brahmins, we should have all the heathens embracing our ‘faith’."
Francis Xavier- letter to the Society of Jesus(31 Dec 1543)
Glory to our ‘Pitras’, our tribal brothers of the north east and bheels in Mewar 🗿 proud of them. Enough of the drama.
Everyone in NE is not a tribal
@@Wisdom-i1v they are Christians for name only, they still worship tribal gods and culture.
They converted ppl out of balkanisation and why would anyone being discriminated stay in the system a lot of women leave and stop going to church once their harassed
Doesn't this support their point then? When Dalits were discriminated against by Brahmins the Dalits would definitely like to get out of the system and find another faiths who treated them better, and Brahmins won't like to leave this system cause they were the ones getting benifited
@@NovelTuber Dalits always have faith towards hindu gods even today, they worship Hindu gods and not attracted towards any other religion. Even Ambedkarites leaders couldn't convert them to Buddhism after decades
AIM would sit down to have a chat with the Taliban but not Sree Iyer from pgurus.
I'd love to see him have a chat with J Sai Deepak with these views. Man would rip him apart.
@@panjabipanditniqqa would $hit his pants . Remember how shashi tharoor was roasted
@@panjabipandit Well Sai doesn't make castists uncomfortable - as he supports most Hindus traditions including jati-pratha (practically castes
but AIM pushes the same group to cognitive dissonance as he opposes negationism
The are catering to two different mindset
How interesting, right? Says more about AIM.
@@panjabipandit did you see they both took a below the belt shot with their decoloniality jibe !! Bloody idiots .. Sai said that he is not one of these peoples type in ANI podcast.. and look at his viewership in comparison to what an AIM or a kushal can pull off!!🤣
Manu was not a Brahmin (in the sense of caste context) - he was Kshatriya - the father of Ikshwaku and ancestor of Shri Ram. I expected at least Kushal to know this basic fact!
Btw, before AIM irrationally lashes out like he did on PGurus - I am not in the camp of caste oppression deniers. Just correcting a factual error.
Good u wrote last line
He’s a Brahmin it is personal for him
Manu as Kshatriya depends on which manu you are indicating about
From a rational lens that's not accurate. Unless you believe that Manu was the first human and he wrote the text, in which case his caste would be indeterminate I think. The text itself was composed by the priestly class, which should be fairly obvious from its contents.
His family might have done caste discrimination. I am from a Brahmin family where most lived and died in huts. So not everyone had the capability to do caste discrimination and show power
Sri Chaitanya Mahapravu started anti-caste movement in Bengal , it was literally anti-caste Hindu movement. Nimay Chaitanya
was a Bengali Bramhan and many Pasmandas converted into Hinduism to save themselves from Sayedbad.
OK a brahmin re-converted few thousand but you are forgetting about crores who converted because of caste oppression. This will not was sins of brahmins who make huindism week and divided it on caste lines.
@@poojasingh99999 So which caste are you ? Khatriyas were the kings and warriors and did a lot of bloodshed. Ashoka was basically OBC and had inferiority complex about it so butchered massive number of people.
How about you pay for your ancestor's sins by let's say jumping off the roof.
Instead of fixing a problem you are the kind of idiot that will spend her entire life blaming some people for it.
BTW PLEASE DON'T JUMP OFF 😅
no he did not where did u study it lol? google?
he was avatar of krsna and radha rani combined
he wasnt anti caste as varna is created by krsna go read first chapter of geeta
@@poojasingh99999 what is the evidence. Max Muslims are from maale ganimat . Her nawab , badshah ke huram me huzaron hindu women thi jinse buchhe hue wo sb m@salman hi hue.
@@poojasingh99999 same logic Christians gave us without any praman , but Christianity lalach or jadoo dikha kr hi fela hai India me.
AIM, I found your behaviour in PGurus channel very childish, you could have stated your point of view...grow up....I always appreciate your opinion in all channels, but that day was shameful when you just left
Not childish but arrogant
And what Sree Iyer was saying was right??
@@dbwillrise8 Whatever he was saying, he was saying it in an apt and good way. AIM acted like Lenin when Mensheviks disagreed with what he said. An ill tempered prick
I don't know what happened there but I have stopped watching few PPL on YT and that includes Sree Iyer. Sumit, Sree Iyer and his cohorts are all conspiracy theorists. I used to keep track of his intelligence claims...never ever happened.
AIM was very nasty and rude with Sree Iyer in PGurus channel yesterday. He didn't let Iyer put his point of view, shouted him down and disappeared. so disgusting and so arrogant behavior fro AIM
He has always been like that but only got exposed now
They had probably talked before they started the live stream
Atleast he has to listen absolute doesn't mean you keep on shouting and won't allow front person to utter one word.
Shri actually started it.
It may be disgusting but do you think AIM was wrong and Sree iyer was not acknowledge it.
AIM , if you say collective guilt, then the same goes for muslims in our country then for godhra, partition bloodied trains , Delhi riots, mumbai riots, Mughal era ...the list goes on
On point, Bencho galti Hui lekin acknowledge karne mein bhi maut aati hai...
He’s a Brahmin too
@@Tia-cw7sz so is rahul ganndhi.
U dont know our history of betrayal to our own.?
@@murarivyas5735 In such sensitive matter AIM should not lecture if he can't do any actual good in field. Most of the Sanatani Field workers are also Brahmin who are educating Pakistani Hindus for free & giving them shelter.
If we start to criticize Brahmin then we should also Brought the fact that WHY BRAHMINS ARE GREAT
BRAHMINS THE GREAT is in fact a book written by a Muslim IAS officer Niyaz khan
Should non-Brahmins feel collective guilt for targetting Brahmins after killing of Gandhiji by Godse?
Let me break this down point by point:
1) Manu was ‘a Kshatriya’, not ‘a Brahmin’ on which they based their entire premise with full confidence.
2) If ‘Brahmins’ share a collective responsibility for a few individual collaborators then, does all ‘SC/obc’ people share responsibility for Ambedkar calling ‘scheduled tribes’ as “savages in need of civilising”??
3) AIM accused ‘Brahmins’ as a group of collaborating with ‘the invaders’ would you have the “guts” to call out the other community for the same: “Ambedkar thought if India became independent it great disaster & ‘Scheduled Castes’ were the earliest source of Man power for East India company”
-Viceroy Field Marshal Viscount.
4) Kushal will look the other way when ‘Indian Muslims’ would apply the same parameters and quote the sacchar committee report and blame all of you. Data can be interpreted for ones own gain.
It’s the easiest to do this with ‘Brahmins’ cause you won’t face any ‘consequences’ as they’re less than 3% of the population so, go ahead you do it too.
AIM is a Brahmin
I get you are hurt, but matter of fact is AIM draws broad generalisations about groups of people all the time. At the same time I know he doesn't believe in generalisations. So I think you can either take it in stride and believe the intentions of the man or feel he is the same as the Periyarite nuts down south. After having watched him for so long I believe in the former.
Yup he is@@Tia-cw7sz
Well about Ambedkar most of our freedom fighters weren’t as great as we are taught Gandhi said. A lot of history about blacks Jews and even Hindus
In case f Jews he said smth on the lines of they should have thrown the,selves off of buildings
And for Hindus if the Muslims want to wipe us out let them and we shall usher in a new world
@@caxtalec Intention ka roll bana apni g mei daal le vo. We don't care about intentions. He'ls vilifying an entire community& puttin the blame of caste discrimination on them. That's fucked up on so many levels. Foreign expert my ass
Well abhijit acted like a complete baby on Pgurus. Threw a temper tantrum and left
Link?
he is exposed on Twitter, he kept abusing Brahmins on Twitter.
just check the last askabhijit episode
Well ofc he’s not gonna be happy jolly w a guy who’s outrightky denying it
He’s a human we get emotional
@@Tia-cw7szhis conduct was very disappointing and Sree sir deserved better than it, he jus left midway on a live show without even putting forth his argument on the controversy , it was arrogance
AIM: "Brahmins shd have perpetual collective guilt for past crimes and complicity, but my beloved wyt ppl esp. brits shd have zero guilt or remorse abt their past, infact Indians shd whitewash british crimes in India for the purpose of earning their friendship/alliance against common islamist challenge(yes he really said that a few episodes ago on this podcast only), bcz big juicy english kela andar lene mein bohot maza aata hai mujhe har thode mahinon me, sidha dimaag me jaake lagta hai!"
Yes, you are correct. He always white-washed the Western crimes in the trans-Atlantic slave trade saying that since some Africans (such as in Dahomey) captured and sold other Africans, the Europeans (who bought the slaves at the ports and shipped them to the Americas) are absolved. After showing him so many papers and books on how Western Industrialization was fueled by profits from colonization he always dismissed it. This is why blaming one community alone for caste discrimination sounds like wokery. It is these contradictions which were on display today.
Also the kela andar?
I belong to the OBC community and have personally seen my people discriminate against a community considered lower than ours.
The point being, casteism wasn’t exclusively practiced by “just” Brahmins. Every community that could… DID participate in this crime against humanity that is casteism.
Also, it is irrelevant WHO wrote Manusmriti (whether written by a Kshatriya or Brahmin irrelevant)… What is really relevant is …WHEN it was written ?
If it pre-dates any colonizations then can we blame the colonizers for casteism ?
I think instead of attacking eachother we should be concentrating on the issue itself.
Whether casteism was introduced by foreigners or it was inbred… the hard fact is all our ancestors participated in it or didn’t do much collectively to get rid of it to say the least.
I agree with the guys on the part of taking collective responsibility… but to direct most of that responsibility on the Brahmin community is a bit much.
Thanks for saying that. The society as a whole came up with a bureaucratic system that worked initially. As time went by it became a corrupted one that created walled gardens. It's the same throughout the world. I don't know what agenda these people have in trying to shame a particular section of Hindus.
Thank you for saying this. These panelists are too daft to understand this
Everyone speaking on manusmriti should read it before referring to it not the translated by McCauley, castism is a societal problem not due to manusmriti. Why these people are including muslims or Christian dalits or obc this is a new propaganda legitimised by supreme court. Does abrahmic religions have caste system When anyone converts they should be out caste equations. Govt should have banned caste system after partition instead of reservation on the basis of caste which legitimised caste post independence.
@@deeneshwargattu9106
I have read the Manusmriti with translations from native translations.
In every translation the meaning for the following verses remains more or less the same.
If you can provide a better translation for them, please share.
I have picked the following because these verses by themselves or by the preceding or following verses seem clearly unfair… but I’m open to be corrected.
In fact I’m honestly hoping I’m wrong.
2-100
8-270
8-271
10-125
10-129
Please refer to the Sanskrit verse first and confirm the translation from any Sanskrit expert that you trust.
Again… I’m a Hindu… and the last thing I want is to find faults within my own scriptures.
But the good part about Sanatana is that we were never the people of the book… so if any of our scriptures do show hints of Adharma… we just simply reject it, acknowledge faults and move on.
I a brahmin,my friend an sc(bank officer son) and another friend (his father burns dead bodies) used to mock at the complexion of an St girl,we changed a lot but the guilt still continues.
(We never talked to her)
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Thank u bhai
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Bhai thanks ❤❤
Brahmins were responsible for some of the best and worst in Hinduism. Vivekananda did not call Kerala a lunatic asylum just for a laugh. Caste discrimination is not restricted to upper castes. The so called "lower or backward castes" were/are engaging in it as well, sometimes much more brutally. Brahmin legacy is a mixed bag, like that of most communities.
This is the one sane comment I have read on this issue
Finally someone gets it
Finally someone gets it
But the ‘ lower ‘ castes did have it worse in a lot of places there are exceptions
I’m not here for black and white sh*t but for d shades of gray that exist but we can’t go around denying the real thing that as the first sentence of your comment encapsulates
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 They are not inspired by religious doctrine, they are inspired by SOCIAL PREJUDICE. Do you think the have read the so called "offending scriptures?" Are you selectively blind to the casteism shown by "backward" castes? Try mediating between the intercaste marriage of two "backward" castes and you will learn an unforgettable lesson. Please do not mix leftist/abrahamic propaganda into this debate.
Was waiting for this round object in the show. But now it’s turned into a liability. Congrats Mitra on destroying your image amongst your own.
Agreed very immature arguments by aim
Totally lost interest
Bhai kabhi ankit shah ko suno, wo ye mitra ke saare argument already negate kr chuka hai😂 in wokeist logo ne history foreign author se padhi hai
@@whoami8247link please
When kushal who knows nothing about ground zero gives lectures on caste with flawed facts,it cracks me up.He just to be in the elite bracket calls himself a free speech absolutist but cant take a rebuttal from Sanjay dixit.
Abhijit giving Gyan on manusmriti without reading a word....
Abhijit is same as periyar lunatic and Kushal licks his a*se.
And sham sharma is always like ...mai kon hu ..mai khaa hu ..ye kya ho rha hai😂
@@busypandey uska channel hai usko follower loose nhi karne 🤣
Have u read the manusmriti ? Doesn’t seem like it
@@adish7839 Only cause of all this crap is Abhijit's Ego.
Rest to just butters him up. As he is center of attraction in this podcast .
It was wrong to abuse brahmins, he cant say same about jats n rajputs bcoz he know they will break his @ss beyond he likes it to.
I don’t think anyone is denying it happened, the point of contention is if you are going to blame just one entire community for it or not.
@@samaachaar what is the proof of islamic oppression on u????...what is the proof that islamic invaders r@ped hindu women????...this utterly disgusting denial of the caste attrocities on dalits makes us dalits more and more aggressive towards hinduism...have some shame
would you blame Muslims for Mughal history? Don't everyone criticize Muslims who are in denial about the Past?
@@Manikanta-hh7wp But Brahmins are not in denial. The problem is singling out just them to put the whole blame. Opression of Dalits were done by all UCs, so called OBCs and Dalita in upper rungs too. Eg: Valmikis getting pressed by Jatav Dalit
No one blames Muslims for past. They are singled out for their lack of any acknowledgement of any wrongdoing by their side.
@@srajandikshit7590 Brahmins are in deed in denial and gets super defensive in the issue of caste and say British invented caste in India. If UC hindus including brahmins are not willing course correct and keeps crying about reservations, they deserve what's happening.
Yes
We will blame the preparators
As said by Savarkar, the Hindu society was bound by seven shackles ( bandi ) viz. prohibition of touch (sparshabandi) of certain castes, prohibition of interdining (rotibandi) with certain castes, prohibition of intercaste marriages (betibandi), prohibition of pursuing certain occupations (vyavasayabandi), prohibition of seafaring (sindhubandi), prohibition of rites sanctioned by the Vedas (vedoktabandi), prohibition of reconversion (shuddhibandi) to the Hindu fold. The remarkable social reform that has taken place in the last 100 years is due to the tireless efforts of social reformers like Savarkar and several others as well.
Exactly bro, Savarkar Ji was a true gem!
@@indriya3687 exactly he was really a rational minded person
And Hindutva is a movement to get rid of it while remaining a proud Hindu.
@@GetOver-og1xj
An Employer beats his worker. Frustrated, the worker beats his wife at home. Frustrated, the wife beats her eldest son. Frustrated, the elder son beats his little brother.
Who is to blame? The employer? The worker? The wife? Or the eldest son? Or EVERYONE?
@@GetOver-og1xjDo lower castes have any place in the hindu religion? I have been studying the Vedas and it is very clear that Brahmins have laid down their supremacy along with the kshatriya's by making the vaisyas and shudra class their servants. Further, shudras are not aloud to study the Vedas nor pray with the upper caste. How can shudras and untouchables believe in hinduism when they are denounced from the start and cannot even pray with the upper caste.
After reading the rules, punishments and sanctions of caste system from hinduism, some of you may say “Is it a joke? How can someone give such harsh treatment to lower caste members finally they are too humans. The enforcement of these rules is and was impossible.’’ Then you should know that these rules actually were in enforcement for many centuries, as compared to the time span I can say, till recent days. And also hinduism don’t consider lower caste members to be humans. In many texts lower caste members have been compared to pigs, dogs and other animals. Today also some of the laws of caste system are being enforced in India in their modern forms.
I feel it is important to recognise the problems of the past. At the same time not paint the entire community with the same idea. This holds true for all communities.
Still ur community stands behind a casteist shankaracharya
@@sara007official and orthodox trads follow them blindly
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 They still do ,look at them finding flaws in abhijeet but not in casteist shankaracharya lol
@@sara007officialthese are trads
I don’t find them important
@@sara007official Yes. Deal with it.
Before I make a comment, let me state that I am a non-Brahmin Hindu who believes in caste-less society. Too many loopholes in their arguments. Even OBCs were known to discriminate against BCs. Even Mahars were known to discriminate against Maangs. So where does this collective guilt stop?
All these 3 are privileged guys using big lofty words. Try giving this logic to a middle class, class-topper who has just been denied a seat, just because he was born in open category. How is this not creating a divide in the society?
Let us not beat around the bush. Reservation today has turned into a political tool for leaders today. Divide and Conquer is very much alive and kicking. No matter which party comes to power, this is not going to end. Empowerment is the only way forward - irrespective of the caste.
Thank you. I remember AIM saying in a video that only losers of the society whine about their present based on past atrocities. He said this in context of BLM activists. Point to note here is that the anti-black atrocities are well-recorded and unambiguous while our history is very murky (mostly based on the lens of outsiders) where even highest castes where subjected to all kinds of violence and atrocities. But somehow AIM is much more sure about the role of Brahmins as oppressors than even whites. Lack of nuance and use of disingenuous arguments makes him look like a person with an agenda. It's always people like these that have divided the society.
Thank you for such clarity
@@gradstudent584 Agree to most of your comment. Not sure if hez a person with agenda, but he surely is a highly egoistic person. He cannot stand an opposing point of view. Some free speech absolutist! And other two are scared of contradicting him. In a podcast, there should be a healthy debate, without throwing temper tantrums. In this video some 50 minutes were wasted in proving AIM right.
Let's wait 15 years. Let the Per Capita Gdp Reach 10k dollars. Reservation will sure shot end by then and even if it remains the upper obc yadav,Jatt,gurjar,krimi would be in general and they will also fight against reservation.
@@allcaps3584 I agree
I wont be surprised if Kushal would start blaming hindu for all the temple being demolished by mughal.
Sham Sharmaji
I had such a lot of respect for your this podcast.
But today this podcast is horrible
Abhijit does not have in depth knowledge of any subject / his knowledge is very superficial but he has the high headedness that he knows everything
His knowledge is equivalent to the leftist Dhruv Rathee who try to say nonsense in a very convincing way
Look he’s a macro expert on all this but a micro on defence and as a person who tends to analyse Terese thing he’s right even on the foreign affairs front
Look he’s a macro expert on all this but a micro on defence and as a person who tends to analyse Terese thing he’s right even on the foreign affairs front
I don't know why sham is friend with these two atheist they ain't Hindu. RW is doomed
@@SagarRawat-vy9irRight Wing was always doomed
Exactly all Germans were responsible for the holocaust... But when it comes to dehumanising the Dalits only Brahmins were responsible.... That's where i disagree with you
Dude all Germans who weren’t persecuted were aryans
Or looked like them he’s not blaming today’s Brahmins but saying it didn’t happen or it want that bad is wrong that’s what the British say about colonisation
True basically all the savarnas are responsible for untouchability and casteism
@@Tia-cw7szeven saying whole Brahmins discriminated in history is wrong. They are plenty of examples like shudra women care taking children of Brahmins and kshatriyas in history.
Obviously all Indian Hindus are responsible that's why they feel ashamed when asked about untouchability in West , that's why most pretend to be atheist there in the past.
But the question will always arise that who made sure it is passed down to generations ? Who codified it ?
AIM lied about that Brahmins got exempted from jizya tax. From Turks till Akbar jiza tax was applied to every class. So AIM should stop lying and hating Brahmins
Grow up
@@sachithrao6353 What did he say that was childish?
@@sachithrao6353 what was childish in that ? Some groups or communities are victimizing themselves based on some shit that happened century ago
"In the late 14th century, mentions the memoir of Tughlaq dynasty's Sultan Firoz Shah Tughlaq, his predecessor taxed all Hindus but had exempted all Hindu Brahmins from jizya; Firoz Shah extended it to also include the Brahmins at a reduced rate."
~Vincent A Smith, The Oxford History of India: From the Earliest Times to the End of 1911, Chapter 2, pp. 249-51
For reference:
Futuhat-i Firoz Shahi Autobiography of Firoz Shah Tughlaq, Translated by Elliot and Dawson, Volume 3 - The History of India, Cornell University, pp 374-83
Abhijit iyer Mitra is a bastard who always lies and spreads misinformation.
Same with Kushal
I am a Brahmin. And I agree and have witnessed discrimination against dalits. BUT, it is not just Brahmins. In my family there was no one who ever diacriminated. But I know Velama and Kamma communities in Andhra who wouldn't let people from dalit community enter their houses. Not Brahmins, other communities. So get your facts right. Ego getting to your head. I think AIM should stick to geo-politics and STFU about history he clearly doesn't seem to know. Anyway he keeps saying he doesn't give a shit.
Point brother
They themselves have said in other podcasts that most of the modern oppression is done by obc groups. Brahmins are almost negligible in population anyways.
bro i am not a brahmin but always seen a OBC guy discriminate other only in village. the thing is simple a poor is a poor the caste don't label them and some ppl feel themself superior u can't fuking change this. the poor one get treated ill its common in every friking society. i have seen lot of sc/st change religion which is gud i don't have any problem but they don't live there caste and reservation so 🙄u know what i mean. the real ppl who need help are those who are extremly poor it can be sc,st,obc or gen. NOW crime against brahmin are far more then dalit. i have obc and dalit frnd they are chill and proud of being hindu. as long as they are happy i happy .
He is not talking about modern times But how this evil started in the first place.
His anger comes from the fact that Brahmins were supposed to be the most educated & learnt ones among Hindus And yet they kept silent & even formalised such discrimination.
Why do you think Germans & Japanese are so much blamed for kilings, it's Bcos Germany was most advanced nation In Europe while Japan was the one in Asia and yet they did such acts that's why they are so much blamed.
To those Brahmins who are saying We shld move on.
Until when will u keep moving on.
Until when these BJP-Bhakts will completely sideline Brahmins frm Governance & make sure u hv no stake in governance & policy making?
Quotas r being increased with each passing day & Reservation in proportion to Population is being Pushed more & more & how long until BJP will also start pushing for it.
Population of Brahmins is already insignificant & Amazingly Assam BJP has introduced 'Quotas' in Population Control Bill as well.
So u just wait until it get introduced in all BJP ruling states & other parties will follow it only.
& more Demography replacement happens.
Also to what extent will u accept vilification of Brahmins cuz ultimate plan is to make u all so guilt-ridden that u & ur coming generation will feel shame in calling dhmslvs Brahmins & start dissociating themselves with Brahmin identity
and start marrying in other castes to get rid if their Brahmin Identity?
This is how they will erase Brahmins from Hindu society.
This is their Hinduism.
So until when u will keep ignoring & moving on bcz what they are doing is not gonna stop soon & these BJP Bhakts will keep telling u how they are right in doing so & how u deserve all of it.
Pran pratishta is done by a pandit in the presence of the PM
IN ancient times the king used to be invited and attended the event.
Also the main temple garba graha used to be built the idol was consecrated and then the rest of the temple built which took years or decades .
Correct
Yes, correct. Unncecessay confusion being created by some people.
Kushal and AIM think they are know-it-alls.. you guys talk it all with half-baked knowledge
Is it half baked knowledge to day it was not the Brit’s or the Mughals
As if you, as a faceless individual is pulling any weight. Sit down lmao.
Fully baked knowledge dijiye guruji, we are all waiting for your gems of knowledge 💀
@@ifinditinteresting.8709 They are shock jocks to say outrageous things without any accountability. They deliberately use crass language to attract the younger crowd because they say whatever they want with conviction. Bhai itna khulke bola ho to sach hi hoga.
@@ThePolymerisst Kushal claimed Smrritis have bad stuff about shudras and women. We don’t have historical data to prove the social condition was there as per the literature. Smritis are timely scriptures to be relevant to the society of that time. Only real accounts will prove that in general, all Brahmins were involved in dehumanization of lower castes to call them all bastards. AIM says it to catch eyeballs.
Please read what Megasthanese wrote about India and Brahmins.....Brahmins are the reason we have Hinduism left...few bad ppl dont represent the whole...
If the majority lower caste ( whom I don't belong to) had converted to Islam or Christianity we will all be dead
I get your points and I don't deny the fact that cast system used to exist before Britishers too but putting all blames only on Brahmins doesn't seem very right, the system worked because of entire society participating in it. I'll tell a ground zero report here, my family comes from a very small rural village in Rajasthan where caste is still very much practiced in very regressive ways, a smaller caste person shouldn't come into house of upper caste, a upper caste shouldn't drink from same glass as lower caste and all that stuff, but the thing is this is not happening because Brahmins are doing it, it's how the entire system is, my family comes under OBC (patel) and sc, st caste people from the village follow this with obc, so it's not just Brahmin discriminating it's also obc discriminating, it's every caste considered higher than any other caste who is participating in the system, so putting all blame just on Brahmins is not correct. And in those environment people from so-called lower caste believe in those systems too, I mostly live in city once when I visited my village I offered one of the lower caste guys the glass from which I drank and he refused I kept on insisting but he refused, so they too highly beleive in this system and that's how it functions, just making Brahmins the blametaker of everything is not correct
Entire society he did draw the German example for something
He's not blaming the Brahmin entirely. But you can't deny Brahmins had significant role to play. Look at how they oppose tukaram maharaj, reject to do rajyabhiskeh of shivaji. There are well of which even water is forbidden to Dalits. One must acknowledge that Brahmins did provide rationale to caste system.
@@pratikkantode937 They were the ones who came forward to fight against it also. And Shivaji's fake Sisodia Rajput genealogy was designed by a Brahmin from Banaras only (whose modern-day descendant was participating in Ram Mandir conseracation temple only). So you need to tell full story before cheery picking something and I would love to hear what Islamic Sufis or Christian missionaries did something great for non - Abrahamic people other than converting them with either force or propaganda. At least, Brahmins weren't doing that and were still benevolent towards their faith until those morons try to push forward their version of truth.
@@pratikkantode937 On PGurus, he blamed Brahmins entirely. Hence the onus is on AIM to explain how the specifics of his "Blame Theory" works in different scenarios. The rationale for dividing humans into Homo Eurapaeus, Homo Asiaticus etc., was done by Carl Linnaeus in Sweden. How can Germans be blamed for what happened in WW2. And remember that the Pope of the day also supported the regime, and there were American, French, and British eugenecists who were also scientific racists.
@@arjyachatterjee6874typical Bengali brahmin, one is destroying Bengal another defending it
Cast problem is less in urban India....only in rular area of India where rich and poor gap is widen we can see this caste based issue
Yea lack of urbanisation it gets ppl together quicker than other things
In urban areas there exists soft casteism
It will exist in one form or the other
@@sujathats1244 Matrimonial sites pe especially, abhi to Vaishyas are at top in money/Network aur aaj k time m log paisa dekhte h
You know what sadded me the most ? Hindus used a clip cut by zubair who we know what did to nupur 😢. Shame on the trad hindus yar
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What does TRAD stand for?
@@sainikpraveen basically someone who says every problem that India has is western construct.
@@TriptiDimri-lu3soand also those who loves every sort of superstitious, pseudo-science driven etc dogmatic stuffs present in the religion as it is mentioned in the ancient scriptures as some sort of a divine revelation. And these concepts are ultimately superior than every modern scientific prowess and technology. The trads folks believes these things made Bharat the utopian superpower and thus these things deserves to remain as it is even today as well
Yr brahmins are targeted and other communities just keep mum ..ki bc apna kya.
This thing is taken up by all hindu haters . Now intead of using Hindu to abuse they use brahmin .
Specifically khalistani. Brahmins are alone and easy target .
All these jai bhim jai mim type of people abuses brahmins , dmk abuses brahmins, Yadavs from sp or lalu abuses brahmins, it satisfies both Hindu haters and their target votebank
How is giving teacher positions to reserved quota candidates who could not even score more than zero marks helps the poor quota primary, middle & secondary school students? Is it not creating a system that is feeding itself??
Shri Iyer maintained his composure and behaved like an adult, not just that tried to cover up for AIM as if he were his own son. AIM displayed his left wing behaviour, cried like a baby, and left.
Did you watch the full show?? Sree Iyer was crying like a b*tch like your comments deeply hurt me, blah blah blah, before AIM even uttered a word. He could have just ignored the situation and went straight to QA.
@@dbwillrise8 B*tch xD. You andhbhakts of AIM talk like him. Kabhi kabhi lagta hai ki tumhe ghar mei chain se bandhke rakha jaata hai. AIM ke parents bureacrats the, tumhare koi working class log honge, He got bailed after what he said abt temple, you wouldn't be. Good language is wisest language. It can help you while in trouble.
I agree to the fact that India was never a lala land there are obvious evidences of oppressions to a section of the society throughout the history of Indian civilization but my question is are only the Brahmin responsible or guiltyfor that situation?
We can't wash away by stating Maurya or other such examples to claim there was no castism in ancient India. Without accepting the mistakes/crimes of the past we wouldn't be able to move forward so we should stop denying such facts.
Very well said .
JAI SRI RAM 🚩
ஜெய் ஶ்ரீ ராம் 🚩
AIM should not have behaved like that in p gurus and leave abruptly. He was not shouting at him
Look I don’t mean to justify that behaviour but look at it from his side he’s a Brahmin and as a person who ( I assume from what I’ve understood) delves deep into the sociological side of things
I replied the same to another comment but I’ll say it again they seemed pretty tense from the beginning as if they had an argument
@@Tia-cw7szwell having disagreements and being disagreable are two different things AIM is the latter
@@Tia-cw7szHe's 50% brahmin with IAS parents and a communist father, this should clear things up
Lost me when the argument with numbers is based on "correlation is always based on causation". This itself doesn't stand in research.
AIM really needs to stop at this point. He is just making it worse for everyone trying to support him. I really like this show but his rant today was getting out of hand. His ego is getting better of him.
Yes. He's covering shit with more shit and some idiots think him being a Brahmin somehow makes it all right.
Dude has lost it. I'm unsubscribing from this shit of an intellectual show. And this sham Sharma is like Rahul Gandhi who laughs at everything and keeps encouraging his nonsense.
We r not blaming muslims for wat Mughals did...we r protesting against those concerted muslims those who support wat Mughals did to hindus....
AIM got destroyed brutally on Twitter and exposed also. Better make him apologize otherwise unfollowing right now.
1 follower gone ok ?
FoE is smth it’s a viewpoint on history coz we don’t have any hard data to tell us who decided to start the crates system
@@Tia-cw7sz what is crates ? 1 follower is precious since he doesn't have much.
I also unfollowed all 3 in Twitter and unsubscribed the YT channels. I was expecting an apology so that we all could move on but these guys are doubling down in crap
Lol and what about Trads ?
They stand exposed
Now folks from RW going all after Shankaracharya's of Govardhan Mutt too .No amount of Maulana modi pejoratives ,birth based varna theories would work .
Eng game for Upword
Here to watch the meme review. Don’t give too much importance to their free thoughts and their inflated egoistic opinions. I infer this from the comments here.
mood for meme review was destroyed by the preceding talk ...
Every society has seen their share of class oppression. It is basic human nature. Varna system in its true form was to counter this and did succeed in doing so
Yaaa par yaha abhi bhi haina thoda zayada hi, aur trads caste ko support krte hai. agar har jagah bhi ho aisa toh it doesnt matter kyuki hai toh galat hi naah. We should aspire to end caste by birth.
Yea but it changed and it wasn’t the brist or Mughals who did it that the point here period
I think ppl are taking things out of context as person who rewatched a lot of their videos ( was looking for smth in particular) I can see the context in things they gave talked about on this show or others previously
And yea it was every where but doesn’t mean we concoct history here he said that on some show the other day he doesn’t mean to demean the community ( he’s a Brahmin himself)
It s about false narratives and history
@Tia-cw7sz
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Yea but it changed and it wasn’t the brist or Mughals who did it that the point here period
Qustion to all three panelist. What was the caste of swami vishwamitra and valmiki were they brahmins?? There is something know as verna system in our vedic civilization. There was no hierarchy in our original scriptures as is in our parliamentary system today. You three must read Jati, verna and caste author Rajiv Mahotra!
Valmiki bramhin hi tha
oh dude you got your first base wrong. Valmiki is the most famous case of a lowly person reforming himself and achieving greatness@@Babybitch67
@@bornwithlegacy manyavar bornwithlegacy
Hota hai aisa hota hai
Jab youtube se aarambh hai prachand wale shorts dekh ke hinduism sikha jaaye
Aisa hi hota hai
Par jis confidence se aapne mujhe galat bola hai
Usi confidence se zara quote kriye valmiki ji ka janm varna
Valmiki who wrote Ramayana was Brahmin by his aptitude, skill not by berth base! Plese enlighten your self
@@pushkar308 mujhe enlightenment ka gyaan baad me dena pehle khud jaake do chaar granth padh lo
Padma puran me hi mentioned hai that valmiki was bramhin by birth ue used to live with dacaoits aur unke sangat me bigad gye
Fir tapasya kri aur khud ko sudhara
This time this podcast was fact less, idiotic and irrelevant, and what amazes me a lot is the seriousness of the panel while shitting in their pants all through the podcast.
Abhijit Periyar-Mitra😘
22:00 people don't blame current muslims for the past actions of their ancestors.. But the very actions of the current muslims:
of shouting tera mera rishta with pakistan, of sar tan se judah, of illegally occupying public places and making mazhars etc.
I am not a caste discrimination denier. However, will AIM ever use "Muslim bastards" for the kind of atrocities their kings committed?
There is collective guilt for Brahmins to share but never for Muslims for being complicit in atrocities.
Kushal talks about 2 kinds of negationism i.e., caste discrimination by sections of RW and Record of Islam(Not Islamism) in India by Leftists and Muslims. True but are these on the same level? No, there is reservation, SC/ST Atrocities Act and other specific schemes for lower castes which proves the acknowledgement of caste discrimination by the Indian State. On the other hand, there is government funding of Madrassas, special schemes for Muslims like scholarship, etc., WAQF Act, places of Worship Act, etc.
Let alone acknowledging the record of Islam(Not Islamism) and Christian colonization in India, the Indian State actively suppresses the records in our History books by showing them as secular rulers and PM Modi praises Francis Xavier, who was the architect of Hindu genocide in Goa. As if even this is not enough, the Indian State further oppresses Hindus with RTE Act, Places of Worship Act, Temple Control, etc. and mollycoddles to oppressive Abrahamic, so called, minorities.
The negationism of Caste Discrimination is not institutionalised but negationism of Record of Islam(not Islamism) in India is Institutionalized. This asymmetry in narrative has to be acknowledged.
The narrative in India is completely lop-sided against Hindus, specially current General Category Hindus and I am not a casteist for saying it.
Also, these people are talking about being accused of wokeism, is SC/ST Atrocities Act not an Indian version of CRT where the oppressor and the victim is defined on the basis of group identities? Are gynocentric laws not based on same principles of collective victimhood on the basis of group identity (won't blame AIM for this because he has raised concerns on gynocentric laws but Kushal completely ignores it)?
Moreover, Kushal was stripped naked by Anand Ranganathan for not being open to airing different views on his podcast while he claims to be very open-minded. Instead of introspecting, he doubled down. Now, AIM is also doing the same by bringing this collective guilt on Brahmins nonsense and is doubling down on the same.
Which video of Kushal and Anand ? link or name of video please.
@@cyno002 th-cam.com/users/live-BttoNqTOPQ?si=UIV8F9CteFkOKhjn
Last 15 minutes.
Most underrated comment. Excellent point. These 3 egoistic idiots think vocabulary can replace brain. How can I double like this comment ?
When did Anand criticise Kushal for this?
I am interested in listening to this exchange between Anand Ranganathan and Kushal. Could you tell when that exchange took place? I don't listen to Carvaka Podcast anymore since Kushal kicked me out of the live chat a year ago.
Well myself being a Brahmin and even coming from Lower middle class section have never questioned reservation as I've seen discrimination against Dalits not just by Brahmins but also by OBCs and SCs as well. The main problem of discrimination is poverty, if a man is poor then he's sure to get discriminated and that's why reservation is important for those who needs it, but what about those who have already benefitted by reservation? I've no problem if a poor dalit or a person from lower cast gets reservation and use it to uplift his family from poverty, it's a beautiful story but why his/ her kids get reservation even if they can afford their education, I know about Creamy layer and it's in OBC section, but why a rich/upper middle class SC/ST dalit needs reservation in first place? He/she already got benefitted from it. There is a flaw and a huge one in this system and you guys overlooked it just to prove your agenda.
Kushal Mehra and AIM in their usual saviour complex.
Simple google search with a question "Was Manu a Brahmin?" threw me with this info. When Abhijit said Manu was Brahmin, I was taken aback. So, your whole discussion has false basis. I am not talking about non-left. Just simple google search. Even present left accepts it but not you people. Secondly, indeed the lived experience of people & poverty table you showed indeed are correct but you don't acknowledge the degradations of the original concepts or Varna system particularly after Islamic & British invasion. You are targeting Brahmins because they are soft targets but Veer Savarkar pointed out that even within so called lower casts, they follow a cast system within them. eg Kunbis or Bhandaris in Maharashtra will not treat Mahars with equal respect. The whole discussion particularly near Jan 22 was unnecessary.
About Manu:
The term Manu has various meanings in Hinduism. In early texts, it refers to the archetypal man, or to the first man (progenitor of humanity) 1. The Sanskrit term for ‘human’, मनुष्य (IAST: manuṣya) or मानव (IAST: mānava) means ‘of Manu’ or ‘children of Manu’ 1. In later texts, Manu is the title or name of fourteen rulers of earth, or alternatively as the head of dynasties that begin with each cyclic kalpa (aeon) when the universe is born anew 1. The title of the text Manusmriti uses this term as a prefix, but refers to the first Manu - Svayambhuva, the spiritual son of Brahma 1
SHam didn't even say one word in counter even though he had points... That's what saddens me more
Blaming brahmins for caste system is nothing but indian version of critical race theory. There can never be a collective guilt. People are individuals.
Abhijit never speaks so passionately about Islam and Muslims. For some reason, there is no collective guilt for massacre of Hindus by Muslims.
This show has become woke as fuck. These guys flaunt scriptures as if they know everything.
AIM is mixing up his argument. I am talking precisely about pgurus. Sri was only saying, why only alienate Brahmins alone, and Abhijit threw tantrums.. yeah Sri was also stating half facts like Brahmins did not own lands..
But AIM was totally unreasonable and unfair in that show ..
Exactly
He wasn’t alienating Brahmins in general. He was talking about the community in that particular context. These guys have been very vocal about atrocities committed by other communities (like OBCs, etc.) as well for a long time.
It was a cropped clip posted by someone with a dubious history of purposefully misleading audiences and sending rabid mobs to attack someone in a similar manner. Remember Nupur Sharma? It’s ridiculous that we also fell for the same trick.
Sree has known Abhijit for a long time and should have known better than targeting him like that over that clip.
@@_Ironhide Sree Iyer lives in the US where wokery and critical race theory has reached dangerous proportions. One of the premises of CRT is that the current day descendants of past oppressors are also guilty. AIM was given an opportunity to explain and he doubled down on the CRT version applied to the Indian context, .i.e., critical caste theory. On that show AIM joined the ranks of Marxists, Periyarists, etc who were saying the same decades ago.
@@MrLee-gj2jzwell nope aim wasn't talking about current decendants of the oppression it was about the collective benefit of the brahmins and their descendants who benefitted from caste system and dehumanised the shudras and dalits if brahmins desbdants shouldn't be blamed then why the british for the colonisation it was only few who colonised the country
@@raghavnamasivayam8706 I watched that show live. He was very clearly applying critical caste theory to the Indian context. This is when he is very vocally against critical race theory and also blames Africans for getting colonized. So it is AIM who needed to explain why he is supportive of CCT while he is against CRT. His answer was the same BS that theory of caste was introduced by Brahmins. Now that is a bizarre statement given that the Varanashrama boils down to the Purusha Sukta in the Rig Veda. Given that most Hindus believe that the Vedas are apaurusheya (or revealed) it cannot be the invention of any one or a group of persons. Even if one applies a non-religious POV, the fact is that in complex societies the emergence of hierarchies is a natural phenomenon. And the existence and development of hierarchies are a crucial component of any complex system. So he was wrong there as well. On the original SSS, his claim was that SCs, STs, OBCs were the real fighters against Turko-Islamic invasions and Brahmins colluded with the invaders. This is again a very generic statement and is mostly inaccurate.
Even after knowing whatever the shit you'd done in that show, You go about justifying your misdoing...Kuch toh Sharam kar liye hote Bhai log...
What show p gurus ?
Get rid of AIM as he lacks credibility. It will drag down the SS Show in the long run. Let him do his own YT channel.
Reservation is just a grand manifestation of victim mindset...every community in the whole world has faced some sort of injustice at some point in history..grow up and get over it...shed the victim mindset
This is the worst show guest wise, where 2 reformers will always give Gyan about freedom of expression,but the moment you disagree with them, they will say u r wrong and they r only right.
Shivaji Maharaj donated entire fort for ram temple and ram worship in the 16th century. Ramdas swami, guru of Shivaji Maharaj raised many temples in satara district of maharatra.
Guys I have always enjoyed your discussions. However was a little surprised Sham explaining the show. Don’t defend negative views, continue the good work casually.
I too don’t agree with every opinion but your show makes sense. I’m happy exploring skills on fields we are not active!
AIM has increasingly become more and more an irritable and intolerable character . Even arrogant , often using abusive language . It is possible he has a borderline personality disorder ( BPD ) often suffering from recurrent health issues .
I am not a cast oppression denier despite of being from lineage of saraswat Brahmins. I am guaranteed somewhere down the line even my ancestors must’ve played a role. Hell I use to see it as a child with people of my grandparents generation towards the sweepers and cleaners. I didn’t understand it then but now I do and there is absolutely no excuse to it. Having said that AIM, Sham, and Kushal are filled with half knowledge and they’re in no position to lecture others.
To those Brahmins who are saying We shld move on.
Until when will u keep moving on.
Until when these BJP-Bhakts will completely sideline Brahmins frm Governance & make sure u hv no stake in governance & policy making?
Quotas r being increased with each passing day & Reservation in proportion to Population is being Pushed more & more & how long until BJP will also start pushing for it.
Population of Brahmins is already insignificant & Amazingly Assam BJP has introduced 'Quotas' in Population Control Bill as well.
So u just wait until it get introduced in all BJP ruling states & other parties will follow it only.
& more Demography replacement happens.
Also to what extent will u accept vilification of Brahmins cuz ultimate plan is to make u all so guilt-ridden that u & ur coming generation will feel shame in calling dhmslvs Brahmins & start dissociating themselves with Brahmin identity
and start marrying in other castes to get rid if their Brahmin Identity?
This is how they will erase Brahmins from Hindu society.
This is their Hinduism.
So until when u will keep ignoring & moving on bcz what they are doing is not gonna stop soon & these BJP Bhakts will keep telling u how they are right in doing so & how u deserve all of it.
Oppression was never a thing at any point of time.
Yes u can call it discrimination (if u think that every occupation not being open to everybody is discrimination) but oppression, NO it was never a thing.
Our ancestors invented a system of social system whr everybody had a role to play & whr everybody was dependent on each other rather the so called Lowe Caste Jobs were more lucrative & cld be more dominating
& being a Brahmins is a hardest job as per Shastras.
But it's human nature to make things corrupt & try to exploit it by finding some loopholes with time & in our case our time is literally Milleniums.
Our ancestors created a system whr everybody had a source of wealth thus everybody cld afford a well to do life.
We weren't world's richest & most developed region for no reasons.
But as everything has it's Pros & Cons, ours was no different.
But it was Huge Positive with little negative.
& when Invaders started coming...it changed things completely & for bad of course.
They started treating different castes differently creating evn more differences & strengthening a false sense of superiority among many which ultimately turned toxic to certain extent.
& then due to Modern Industrial Revolution & Colonial policies things bcm evn more complicated & gap widened.
But for large portion of History Oppression was never there.
Reality is caste-varna system is the reason we somehow sustained the continuous onslaught of 1000 yrs bcz our jatis r close-knitted small small groups who provided all type of support to each other & everyone did theit duties to safeguard their dharma.
But modern Education which sees everything through the lens of oppressor & it's victim shaped our Politics which in turn emboldened this narrative starting this viciout cycle whr Brahmin is everybody's villian.
& BJP & its leader r product of this cycle & this time only.
So it's not surprising that They also want eradication of Brahmin identity.
& Right Wing Ecosystem which is now, evn more than ever, just another term for "BJP, rather Modi, Fan Club" will keep justifying How & Why deserve that.
Brahmins are political orphan.
@@Ds-oj5py Unfortunately, Brahmins don't think long term. We are dumb enough to not consider the stuff you have mentioned. We are the first to accept all blames as gospels and apologixe for things we might not have done. Very dangerous for a minority that's undergoing genocides while simultaneously being blamed for ills in the society.
@@Ds-oj5pyok BJP is increasing Qoutas, then what other parties like Congress or any other are doing?...aren't they too ignoring or increasing qoutas?..listen we don't care....we are INDIAN first after that Hindu and then after we r Brahmans...even though resident of india are by default Hindu....anyways I may not agree with everything they say but I am against caste system very well and I accept both wrong doing and many good deeds of my ancestors. To every person who was discriminated by my ancestors...I apologize and I am working to help change society.
@@Ds-oj5pylisten u say oppression is not a thing?....I have seen people from upper caste( not just Brahman but rajput, thakur etc) treating lower caste people as if they are below them....living in cities is ok but to check reality go in any village u will see truth if u wish to see....
I say Sai deepak has better positions when it comes to reservations
There are other people who are ultimately giving alternatives to caste based reservation I think we don't need to get our facts right from these guys
Better to just stick with Abhijit on defense related issues cause his positions on social issues are full of inconsistency, hypothesis, hypocrisy and generalization.
Abhijeeth is alright for certain issues. Just ignore him on certain matters.
Sai is popular among the negetionists as he supports most Hindu practices including Jati pratha... whereas Abhijeet pushes them to cognitive dissonance...
They are catering to different audiences.
@@ytskt The thing is TH-cam's comment section has no place for nuance so let's just agree to disagree😂
@@suryanshshukla0777 esp when your vocabulary is limited to emojis!
@@ytskt I think this is the case for everyone not just me certainly TH-cam is no place for debate
PS: I literally wrote a long take on this so believe me vocabulary is the issue for me
9:40: Classic example of confounding variables not presented in scientific studies. Additionally, the source mentioned is authors' estimates. The image you presented doesn't differentiate between the regions where each group is concentrated in. For example, there may 30% of the geography of India, where 90% of the population is SC, ST, OBC and 10% others; In those regions, everyone may be deprived in the indicators mentioned in the study, in which case the difference can't be attributed to caste but regional deprivation. Can you blame casteism in that case where regional leaders are not improving social indicators? I believe this study presents skewed data.
Manu, writer of Manusmriti is not a Kshatriya. There are different Yugas and Manu who wrote Manusmriti is a Brahmin. Also Basically Zubair Won. Abhijit iyer and Shri Iyer are not in talking terms. Abhijit was wrong in Behaving in that way with Sri Iyer
First of all, the term Manu Smriti is itself a misnomer. It is actually Manava Dharmasastra. There are 50 odd manuscripts which are collectively being called the Manusmriti. There are many Manus mentioned in the Puranas. If Swayambhuva Manu was indeed the Manu who wrote it, then that Manu was the very first man. How can there be a societal hierarchy with just 1 man? So it beats me as to how Swayambhuva Manu becomes a Brahmin by default.
You are correct that Zubair won.
When will Krishna janmabhumi be free?? Shree Krishna ko kyu bhool rahe ho?? Jay shree kirshna.
"Kashi, MATHURA baaki hai" me, Mathura kya hai?
@@anonymous-yf6ur I am seeing everyone chanting "Jay shree Ram". Much less importance given to krishna ji
@@ShishirAcharya-sd4gi watch the interview of yoji ji and also madhya pradesh sabha in which bjp said to Congress that they should take part in Krishna janmabhumi movement.
Ayodhya to Sirf jhanki hai Mathura Kashi baki hai
@@ShishirAcharya-sd4gi kyunki vo zyada catchy hai aur 1 hafte me praan prathishtha aur zyada samay se Ram Mandir movement was going on. Dheere dheere shuru hoga. Toda sabar karo
Krishna will come after Ram, don't forget the chronology
ECONOMICALLY DEPRIVEN SHOULD BE THE BASIS OF RESERVATION. Punjab and UP Brahmins were /are adressed as *MANGKHANI JAAT*by other castes. when Pujari Brahmin died..his family literally survived on Dole outs ,Very few Brahmins were/are affluent.ELITISM IS THE CAUSE OF DISCRIMINATION. THIS COLLECTIVE BLAME AND USING METAPHORS OF HOLOCAUST HIGHLY OBJECTIONABLE.
Sssssssshhhhhhhhhhh.. They are scared of truth
Caste Must Become Irrelevant, all humans and beings on one platform. I want invitation for Pran Prathista, why Bollywood and cricket celebrities, why not me
What’s interesting is all these wire and co will never show that it’s an obc doing the Pran Prathishta
And I’m not here for a politician doing it not because it disturbs the. Secularism and shit a]we in India follow principled distance I just think he takes credit for everything and loves validation that’s the problem with the bjp validation and congresses problem is that they think they are beyond the need of validation
You are irrelevant. Sorry.
Disgusting views from the panelists, spewing baseless hatred. Sham is better off alone.
Tu hi nikal le
@@Pu-nishant at least make sentences properly.
As a Brahmin. I did feel bad. At the end of the day, we have common interest so I moved on. However, there are types of Brahmin with different saturation points. A Brahmin with low saturation point might even kill you for saying this if he finds you irl
Until when u will keep moving on.
Until when these BJP-Bhakts will completely sideline Brahmins frm Governance & make sure u hv no stake in governance & policy making?
Quotas r being increased with each passing day & Reservation in proportion to Population is being Pushed more & more & how long until BJP will also start pushing for it.
Population of Brahmins is already insignificant & Amazingly Assam BJP has introduced Quotas in Population Control Bill as well.
So u just wait until it get introduced in all BJP ruling states & other parties will follow it only.
Also to what extent will u accept vilification of Brahmins cuz ultimate plan is to make u all so guilt-ridden that u & ur coming generation will feel shame in calling dhmslvs Brahmins & start dissociating themselves with Brahmin identity
and start marrying in other castes to get rid if their Brahmin Identity?
This is how they will erase Brahmins from Hindu society.
This is their Hinduism.
So until when u will keep ignoring & moving on bcz what they are doing is not gonna stop soon & these BJP Bhakts will keep telling u how they are right in doing so & how u deserve all of it.
i don't think our scriptures advocate beheading in response of blasphemy tho.
@@Ds-oj5pyA true Brahmin's life is not easy, in fact it's most difficult. A true Brahmin' should dedicate life knowing the Brahman, should live a satvik life (which is not just food btw, it's far beyond that), should not accumulate any material wealth (in fact, they should live on alm/dana from others), should not do business (Vaishsya's dharma), should not do any job or service for others (or else you are in fact, a Shudra).
Anyone would admire who strictly practices the above... conflict arises when some claims to be so just because of their family names, without any of the above sacrifices or gunas. Unfortunately vast majority of today's Brahmin are like this.
@@ytskt so what's the solution vilify Brahmins, sideline them from governance & delegitimise them...make them so guilt-ridden that it bcms impossible to be Brahmin...weaken them financially, socially & politically at same time demean their identity so much that their remains no pride in being Brahmin rather it becomes a matter of shame so that Brahmins start marrying in other castes diluting their own identity & those who won't sccummb to this intercaste thing would perish under harsh economic, social & political condition.
This is how they want to replace the Brahmins & end the Brahmin identity.
This is their population replacement theory for Brahmins.
@@n-hexane8271 our scriptures don't have the concept of blasphemy itself.
First video that I am disliking of Sham Sharma Show where they just had a conversation based on the left construct of Caste oppression for centuries. How could Shankaracharya ask for something which was not existing? Caste discrimination came into existence because of many things and Brahmins are not the reason. By simple logic, how could a minority Brahmins could hold on to majority of the population for centuries for centuries. Bharath being a Dharmic society will never accept oppression of any community on another.
It's as if the rest of the Hindus had no brains and were all led like sheep by Brahmins. So, do they also believe that Brahmins are genetically superior which gives them such powers?
Just like how turks ruled for 550 years and Eu for 190 yrs over BHARAT
@@varungumma6751 There is fierce revolt against Mughals in just 190 years and what you talking about Brahmin oppression for centuries. This only proves my point that an oppressive regime cannot last for many years. Even in the 190 years you quoted, there were always revolts and the rule was never all over Bharath. Many Kings revolted and even local tribes revolted. The Mughal rule with all the force of swords couldn't last for two centuries and you are saying Brahmins without any sword lasted for many centuries. Introsepct!
@@kprashanth8176 s revolt is going on still, reservation being still inefficiently implemented by politicians and lower strata of society still being oppressed, jai shree ram
@@varungumma6751 Okay, who is actually being oppressed today. Go online and bash abuse Brahmins like AIM did in all his recent podcasts. You will be hailed as a hero. Now, do the same except bash SC/ST or lower castes, you will be in jain on SC/ST attrocity act. Who is being oppressed again?
"sc st were doing the dharam raksha" my ass
British were able to convert only 1 brahmin family into Christian
Brahmins were the most hostile group towards British
They themselves stated that
That's a 1543 Paper my boy. They were not the British. Also they talked only about a certain area in Goa. They then went berserk there and converted everyone, those who didn't had to flee or die.
Why sc/St deserves our respect is because they were tormented both by the Hindus and muslims but still didn't give up their dharama.
@@HumanityNotDoomedas if one sc Community didn't discriminate with other??
Dude bramins were not even 5 percent of population and mostly were out of social life and luxuries
How can oppress 95 percent remaining population
Well, that is not exactly true. One of the oldest regiments of the East India Company were the 3rd Brahmanas. The amount of ethnography and caste data that the British collected could not have been done without local knowledge. However, they were not the only community to have colluded with invaders.
Ambedkar also supported jogendra nath mandal who supported formation of Pakistan because he thought he will get more rights in Pakistan. Most of the Muslims in india are pasmanda who are basically dalit.
@@HumanityNotDoomed According to James Caird , British Collector(1879) "There is no class (but Brahmins) which was so hostile to British rule"
Abhijeet enjoyed his few months of fame and success , now i think its time for people to see who he was before bjp / actually is.
It was kind of obvious with the beef eating, flaunting foreign trips etc. But this fiasco totally proved some of our assumptions.
Few months of fame?? You do know that he's been a public figure for almost a decade now, right?
@@dbwillrise8yea and he first came to the limelight for defaming a temple
@@dbwillrise8 public figure 🤣
The popular version of Manusmriti is full of contradictions translated from a manuscript with commentary, from 18th-century Calcutta. It was one of the first to be translated into English. Other manuscripts are very different from this one.
Manu lived at the time of Sapt Rishis, there is no way he can get away with all the nonsense that you read in the popular version. Shri Rām definitely followed a more authentic version of Manusmriti.
These people were educated by the left and it shows. Would love AIM to discuss this with J Sai Deepak. Literally 3 books on the origins of caste and how they were used by colonialists and he still parrots the "Brahmins oppressed everyone" bs. If Brahmins did then clearly youre call everyone else stupid and dumb to still be Hindu despite priests opressing them. Im not saying there weren't bigots with bigotted ideas but collective guilt? So because people happen to have been born in a family that had a Brahmin ancestor and surname they should be answerable and guilty for everyone in the profession? Should all doctors feel guilt for the bad actions of a few bad doctors? Tf is this rhetoric. I was born in a Punjabi Brahmin family. We were poor historically and only because of my hard efforts got lifted to relatively middle socioeconomic status. Our house is still literally broken concrete traditional home in the pind in Punjab. If I was shown evidence of my direct ancestor being oppressive I'd feel bad but I didn't do it so why would I feel guilty. That's like saying all shudras everywhere should feel like victims despite not facing prejudice in their personal lives. They're really bringing this white vs black American collective guilt bs here. AIM openly states he grew up with well off parents who sent him to rich private schools and it clearly shows. Definitely not going to waste my time watching people who literally think Manu was a Brahmin & not the Kshatriya he actually was. There were thousands of Manu's in history; my cousin is named Manu. First figure out which Manu wrote the Manusmriti then make a podcast. Second smriti and shruti are different. Educate yourself on the difference between literature and scripture because by the sounds of it you get your ideas of religion from literature which is exactly what a smriti is. I guess we should all learn what Christianity is from Harry Potter. I lost IQ points watching this.
Disagree with the views on reservation. Only entitled folks like you people (no offence) think today's indian society needs caste based reservation. You are not affected by it. Neither are the people who can go out and study abroad, or in high paying private colleges.
Most of the students in the country competes to study in good government schools, volleges, universities & are affected by it.
exactly, khud to US me masti karege, apn india wale "general" discrimination face kre, aur agar nahi nikal paye to apne bache same discrimination face krege.
Well then the ancestors of brahmins wee benefited from caste system they benefit properties and provelehed the so called lower castes are dehumanised they are poor their betterment should be reservation
Kushal ko muslim majority area mein jake 1 mahina gujarna chaiye. Sab clear ho jayega
He worked in bhiwandi men he already says it's his worst experience
@@deku006working is different, when you live with your family you know actual reality.
Abe ese kyu chid raha hai. Kushal khud Manta hai Islam is worst religion.
Ab tumhe khud ke upar ek baat nahi Sunni to kya kare
@@mountolympus1098 yeh wala podcast sunna fir se.. chidh nahi raha hu, uski hypocrisy dikha raha hu..he is saying he wont that all muslim are bad blah blah just because few are bad.. but sab bhramin kharab hai..he just keep balancing to maintain image of being centrist but irl he doesnot know gorund reality and keep speaking stupid stuff.
Abhijit is losing all the respect. Firstly, he is absolutely wrong with all the predictions (Ukraine-Russia, Israel-Gaza, Indian elections, about Modi). Secondly, he is completely disconnected from reality and regular Indians. Thirdly, he is abusive, bully, and hypocritical. He self contradicts a lot.
Sree was rude
I don’t know what you guys are on
He grew up in different countries to parents in government. Educated in Latin and rich private schools. How do you expect someone like that to be in touch with the average Indian let alone Hinduism & history? He's just another coconut who is brown outside and white inside teaching us savage Hindu heathens what our history and religion is about because of course only the civilized coconut would know about these subjects not those of us that live it.
Yes abhijeet predictions have always been wrong...i still remember how confidently he said congress woukd win 2/3rd of votes in MP....he has immense knowledge of history nd geo politics...bt he is not expert in eveeything
Absolutely. Big bully.
@@divyanshrana1925 Shree's voice tone was polite. He kept asking AIM to prove him wrong. AIM was constantly screaming "I don't f***ing care. It's very much about what I care..."
Jaya Srī Rāma❤
Congress be like mission successful
no one care of congrs, its the Hindus who are in search of truth.
All are saying end caste.
I am a Brahmin and yes Castiesm was there, and it is there till now somewhere. But I want to ask Abhijeet that were Brahmins were the only one discriminating? Weren't Jaat, Rajput's, Baniyas discriminating against Dalits and among each other. My point is simple that I am aware and sorry as a human for what Dalits have gone through in past but does it give Dalits right to abuse me for simply being a Brahmin in present. I won't tolerate that ever.
Relax guys. If that side is coming after you, You are on the right track. Chill. Genuinely, if Congress spokespersons are using your show as a 'talking point', REJOICE 😂. imagine how they have been waiting to get your show. You are making an impact
Whatever discrimination had sipped into the society, is it only for Brahman? No Kshyatreeya, Viashyas are to be blamed? Please while discussing, do it completely…And then also highlight on how British started creating more n more groups by each Census and created all these SC, ST, OBC n all…
shudra castes discriminates against other castes everyone are tribalistic
one community is not to blame. Yup! But Brahmans do had a deep influence in society, they were the teachers. Read how Dayanand ji had influenced many many kings and businessmen of india who had then donated acres of land for construction of DAV schools across India. Look how Malviya ji made many kings donate for education of all. They were respected by kings, because they were knowledgeable "Brahman". But at same team when we read their biographies, it's how much opposition they faced from their own Brahmin community, dayanand ji had even suffered fatal attacks during shashtrarth in Kashi, in the presence of Kashi Naresh.
Since this all discrimination started, there must have been brahman like Dayanand and Malviya ji who would have tried to end it, but people thought to give those people attention only when we suffered a hard it by Britishers. Had foreign invasion not jolted us, no one would have listened to even dayanand, vivekanand or even malviya ji.
In present times too, because we have become a free developing nation, discrimination is not being considered a problem by many.
You guys are really generalising now that its always the upper cast Brahmans who discriminated again the low cast peoples. But there are certain casts in brahmins as well who are treated in similar lines as of low cast people. They dont even tell that they belong to that particular caste bcz nobody even wants to even stand with them let alone have any relation with them. If you really again discrimination please bring up their stories as well.
He said that yesterday he means the ones that deny it
@@Tia-cw7sz Yaa I agree. But People should know that some brahmins are also "untouchables". It's a general issue not just specific to low cast Peoples.
@@_marcos_omwho held and circulated those casteist scriptures?
@@mountolympus1098 By some peoples who were Brahmins as per their "profession"
@@_marcos_omthe brahmins were inventors of caste if brahmins aren't inventors of caste the british aren't for colonisation as only few ruling class colonised india
Bachcha log- watch sham sharma show
Adults- watch Pgurus
Legends- watch jaipur dialogues
😂
Pgurus/Ajeet Bharti belong to legends category. More content, less drama.
When you speak some random shit and start to justify it with even more shit every idiot will come to take advantage of the situation and create divisions. Well done!
What ? . Do you even know what you are saying?
I know many Brahmins who openly accept they discriminated, but other communities then brahmins, they save brahmins with perspective in positive way, where as they were suppress by Brahmins.
Both type people we saw actually some were taking out for there some mausi mausa incident which we didnt even know never been to that place and most are good logical also who counter them like boss we agree hua hoga tumhare gaonme kisine toh comfort that particular person he/she is actually responsible you cannot go on and comfort a person who not even been there in life. Even in Brahmins some extremely powerful shayad abhi bhu dur darajme honge where they are rich but there were also poor Brahmins who literally had livelyhood only on Bhiksha.What people choose is to bully them who listen they will scold random person in cosmopolitian city who work with Muslim,SC and all castes has no share whatsoever usko bolte hai they never go to rural area and call out actual perpetrators those people are powerful there. Rich surpress poor thats the thing everybody has their fare share of mistake no need to fingure pointing phir koi blega Jaish wale muslim hai toh sare muslim should feel ashmed kyu bhai Jaishwalose bolo dont harass common muslim who is working with you by general statement.Phir wo Muslim sacchar report leke ayega bolega sare hindu aise hai boss enough fingure pointing aise toh is duniyame sub galat hai nobody is sahi better avoid general provocative things speak decently only on incident sometimes generalization is complete unnessary call out exact person if you know.
We want a debate of AIM with J Sai Deepak. On the topic of discrimination in an open forum.
AIM acted like a complete absolute jerk on PGurus. Absolute shame. He behaved exactly like the leftists who cannot tolerate facts and counter points. He shares more with the JNU canal than any of us. He is elitist and likes to show off his money any chance he gets. His attitude is not lost on any of us. Btw, you r not the only one who has some money and is educated. Spouting off academic heavy words doesn’t make you more correct. Rather, that “education” shuts you off to actual thinking and reality.
And when confronted with logic and facts, he would shut you off.
Anyways, my last mention of him. He doesn’t deserve it.
Sree was being a casteism denialist not presenting any "facts and logic".
@@dbwillrise8 Can you show any evidence of how Brahmins were torturing over Shudras and Avarnas before Islamic invaders and Britishers came ?
@@dbwillrise8I watched P Guru episode shree was sharing his point of view,which may or may not correct.But the way Abhijit behaved was surely not right. Abhijit tried to impose his point of view. Neither all Brahmin did wrong not all SC ST or OBC actions are right. Whatever wrong happened no-one denying that but that doesn't mean u start abusing every Brahmin.
@@dbwillrise8 really? how? He was not denying anything. If AIM had any decency, why not state your stand on facts? Why act like a jerk?
Irrespectively who is right or wrong I feel sad that ❤day ka fact checker succeeded in creating rift .. think over this guys.
Exactly, I think aim is an idiot in this topic. But I won’t let l ka fact checker divide us. Bigger challenges
These 3 guys need to think over. One can make reasonable arguments and respectful conversations. It's acceptable even if the point of views are extreme.
What these guys do is just randi Rona acts and hurl abuses.
I think if congress ever come to power your channel will be banned for sure , they already making hit list.😢
Bt they will never come in power thats fr suree....
What do you mean bro? If AIM and Kushal starts bashing Hindus more aggressively for caste discrimination/dehumanization, Congress will love it. Perhaps AIM is predicting BJP defeat in 2024 and has already started pivoting to wokery.
Today was the unfortunate day that I lost respect for AIM and Kushal, more so for AIM. And the worst part was that that's exactly what INC wanted. I looked up how he behaved on PGurus and my respect dropped to the very depths. He behaves no differently than a absolutist leftist.
The fact that Brahmins had their own exodus after Gandhi's death when they were targeted because of Godse, doesn't even enter most conversations. My own grandfather had to flee his hometown.
I've seen literally no one say that caste discrimination should exist or that Brahmins did not do it, mostly people are arguing that other communities were complicit and oppressed other castes too. They're saying that Brahmins have been singled out of reservations despite that fact, and yet they welcomed that decision for 75+ years. It's such a dumb argument by Kushal that "All castes should've suffered under British if caste discrimination was exploited by them", but Savarkar had written very clearly that giving administrative positions to Brahmins was strategic for three reasons - 1) They mostly held the knowledge about HInduism in those days, (2) They were hesitant in conversions, (3) Creating economic and power gaps between castes was an easy way to convert a huge chunk of the economically poor.
This is all just sad. Today is a sad day.
OBC reservation makes zero sense, actually they were/are the prime exploiter of sc/st class even today. SCSt reservation is needed without doubt.
46:00 but me being a gurjar belonging to my community means we worship devnarayan ( devta- avtar of vishnu) born in our community in 9th century CE we listen about the story of family war of 24 gurjar bagdawat brothers .... We have bhoopa ( who sing stories ) we have consecrated temple of devnarayan with shiv ling where mysticism is the main thing in all gurjar community......our gods . AND I THINK WE HINDUS IN ALL COMMUNITES SURVIED conversion because mysticism was the center for us and gods spoke to us and still god comes in our body when we do rituals ...so thats why It cant be a caste NIL society......but it can be anti caste - discrimination society.
your last line sums up the hindutva stand on caste
U mean caste nil as in varna nil right where there’s no rules for a group to live by just coz their born like that right ?
@@Tia-cw7sz why do you assume that some varna is bad? And that they need to change from that? This exact notion of looking at x y z varna/caste as bad is the biggest reason of the plight of shudras
Sssssssshhhhhhhhhhh.... That would irritate those who say that ALL PROBLEMS OF Today's Indian SC/ST/OBC is only because of Brahmins for 1000 years
@@zroth3734 upper castes chauvinists do look the lower castes in that prejudicial lens only
This show sounded like trying to diffuse the tension
Kushal said its just acknowledgement that horrible things happened and not collective guilt/apology. But thats not what Abhijit was on about - he was repeatedly insisting on collective guilt/apology of brahmins alone . Its not about Abhijit's lack of better wording Kushal, Abhijit was being deliberate in what he said and you're trying to provide cover by "its just acknowledgement" argument.
Sounds like motte bailey . Talk all outrageous things and when caught, use the "its just ....." point - something that you cannot attack or question (ofcourse horrible things happened ,everyone is to blame)
What Abhijit said, thats exactly the language of leftists or d stocks - they want them to be permanently apologetic for their lifetime. The only difference is unlike d stocks, AIM dint call for genocide of brahmins
Guys, "caste" is a British construct. Why is there a confusion about this, when the first "caste pilot" was run in Bengal in 1871, and there are British records to prove it?
Yutacan caste war from south america is an interesting read. The natives of yutacan island didn't knew they had caste until Spanish christian colonisers arrived. Sistema de casta and limpieza de sangre is also an interesting read.
Abhijith has taken it on ego lol. Kushal did a good job. Sham on point whenever he talked
Abhijit nobody takes you seriously 😊 predictions you gave us in 3-4 yrs were all false . All your analysis, observations about external affairs was wrong. Tumne to s jai shanker ki bhi burai ki thi. You only give all contradictory remarks everywhere.
So you comparing Holocaust with so called Brahmin atrocities on that massive scale without any reference. And you want collective guilt 😂😂 bhai kya krna hai desh chor de sb choti wale ? Kyonki tune to kuch kiya nai , you r here to giving gyan only 😂😂
Ask the so called victims what they want ? They don't want cast free society, 30 % lakr collector jo bnnana hai fir sara kaam kisi Brahmin se krwana hai bcoz they have not that skill to manage anything.
Go and check all govt. Sectors and work culture findout the root cause. Social media is for baketi only
Firstly when we comment about a society of the past we should have the full picture. One cannot deny that what we call casteism existed in pre-colonial and pre-Muslim India, but I have two objections with the general tone in this discussion and similar others
1. Caste discrimination was practised not just by Brahmanas but by almost all castes, yet its Brahmanas who are pilloried. Even within a lower caste between a higher subcaste to a lower subcaste. It was all pervasive. In most of caste violence acts of today, its landed castes who are perpetrators, not Brahmins
2. If you read our Grihya sutras, Dharma sutras - Apastamba, Baudhyana, Vashishta etc you will see the life of Brahmana as prescribed by it was hard, disciplined, given to tapas and svadhyaya. They were supposed to only live of dakshinas. Of course, this was the theory, but many Brahmins then and very few now still live that strict austere life. While there are references of ten thousand cows being donated there are also frequent references in Puranas etc of poverty amongst Brahmins and this was self-inflicted as they lived by a strict code.
Todays Brahmins are only in name, we can hardly even imagine living such a life. Its thanks to those Brahmanas that we have much of our heritage like the Vedas, Vedanga, Upavedas, Purana, Itihasa and advancements in several branches of learning be it maths, astronomy, metallurgy, linguistics, psychology and so much more. So I think they do deserve our respect.
Many Brahmins in the south and over 500 years did fight against the dehumanization and died or suffered for it
Yes you right sham... Reddys are sudhras... Farmers and soldiers... After some time they become a kings..
Please read the material on why caste discrimination was brought by Christian missionary and was not there earlier