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I hope you first asked the owner if the vet has seen the mare prior to your work with her. I don't know what breed she is, but by the way she is trotting she might have multiple issues with her legs (maybe navicular, ossification of the hoof cartilage, sacro-illiac issues, arthritis in hocks, etc) as she is very stiff in her movements and slightly irregular. The other thing that might cause her to have such irregular blow outs are ovarian issues. She might have multiple cysts on her ovaries that might be very uncomfortable or painful during her heat, which can cause her to buck and explode occasionally and not every day. This mare needs a vet appointment then the training may resume. Nonetheless, amazing and soft work with her, very nicely done without brute force which im used to see with these kind of "problematic" horses here on TH-cam 👏👍
@@bearsmartdurango I do not see the reason behind such a reply, but I will play dumb and get over that. I was curious about the history of a mare, because I've seen many owners have difficulties with horses, but didn't know that a horse had a chronic issue that was causing occasional pain that they couldn't predict/understand. I'm also a veterinarian interested in lameness issues in horses, and if my question was out of line, and you would like to keep the confidential information safe, you could have simply said so. I also don't understand why such a stand off answer, as I complimented the way you worked with the mare and she seemed to have responded beautifully to your time spent together. Good luck in your further endeavors and I'm sorry to see how my previous question offended you so much
@@sacriface777 Great information in your post! As one reading this, I appreciate your information. I notice the way my horse moves she's stiff especially in the hinds and I've wondered about girl issues, she's rather moody and when she was younger, was constantly in heat, not so often now. Had many appointments with the vet with various lab tests, always normal. Last year had issues with lameness with no positive diagnosis but she was overweight but we helped her with that (we live in areas with harsh weather, snow/ice with no indoor arena) with increased exercise and feed adjustments. Again, thank you for the information.
I'm chiropractically minded. High head carriage and stiff spine, looks uncomfortable for her. Maybe the owner has had a chiropractor check her. I wud do that.
I've known a school mare that gradually developed a similar bucking issue. We thought it was random, but eventually we noticed that there was a relation to her heat cycle. After a vet check we discovered an ovarian mass. I'd highly recommend a Vet check.
Had a mare the same she had more than one but they were small , but she really was uncomfortable. Poor girls , such a shame and must have been in agony, had an ovarian cyst myself so can sympathise a lot .
I had a mare that would tend to buck when in heat. There wasn't anything "wrong" with her, but being that I've always had rough cycles, I felt like she might very well too. I think she just didn't feel well at that time in the month. So I broke her to drive, and one week in the month we drove instead of riding. She was perfect in harness. She just didn't want anyone on her back.
same I had a mare that passed a vetting 100% until they ultra-sounded her ovaries. The one on the right looked like 1950's TV snow! She had bucked off a buyer.... they read me the riot act for it. Accused me of everything. How would I have known. The next spring she US'd clear and was actually ovulating on that ovary at the time! Next buyer swoped her up.
Owner Update: After applying Ryan's techniques since our visit, she no longer reacts like this to the ropes :) We are thankful for the opportunity to have a professional provide guidance to prepare us and our sweet mare to become as safe as possible. These videos and patreon are great resources for anyone looking to expand their horsemanship knowledge. We work on it every day! Some Answers-Facts: We traveled 4 hours one way for this visit. It was a beautiful unseasonably warm day, which means flies! The session was actually an hour long, so no, she is not get that sweaty from 30 minutes. Our mare was completely out of shape when we got her a little over a year ago. We are currently on our second saddle because her body is changing from regular work and conditioning. Unfortunately, she has a tendency to become overweight from just looking at hay. She has had regular visits from vet, chiropractor and massage therapist with Bemer set and PEMF Pro 3 in 1 blanket treatments in between. There has been no pain trigger found from any of these professionals and we will continue with regular appointments to ensure it stays that way in the future. Wondering what is considered a normal no-pain completely sound horse response for a situation like this. A long trip in a trailer to have a trainer (stranger) try to find all the things that make the horse uncomfortable to figure out holes that need to be fixed... First time in a rear cinch. Would all other horses have nice fluid movement with no brace or irritated tail swishing?
I seen the same....she doesnt seem to move freely in the rearend i noticed most every third stride she'd give a slight head bob.....??recently i red an article on how the rear trimming of a horse can have every thing to do with their posture and movement. The trim Being just a smidging off can affect everything...new studies have shown . i will look for a link to this article anf get back to u!! If you eould ike ?? Its awesome to see this mare deginstley does lack in care from you. Where i live nobody believes in natural horsemanship. Chiros or massage or even listening to the horse!! Good trails yo you and thanc rtan for video
All of those admitted reasons for the horse to display exactly what she displays. And then a pile of "new" things thrown at her for an hour. Why? Because "that's what I wanted to do." This "more, more, more " method is why sensitive horses go sour -- some will become dangerous because their encounters with humans are so rude and unfair -- in a hurry. This is a classic "the ends justify the means" method. The horse's "voice" is ignored. If I did this to a client's horse the ghosts of those who trained me would be up and out of their graves and chasing me down with a twitch.
@@horsefun123 Missed the point of the horse's communications. Which is the same as criticizing the horse's point of view and rolling over or ignoring the horse's voice as either unimportant or unworthy of attention or offered without justification, i.e., the horse is characterized as a "complainer" or some other insult of the horse's character and unwarranted motivations. Confirms my point as advocate for this unsound horse and every horse. Offering help: bring horse -- as long as it is finally sound -- and stay at least a month at my expense. Leave the "attitude" at home or learn why that approach is so destructive to learning from Ben upon arrival.
She’s out of shape and needs good training , not a kid’s horse yet. Hopefully some day she’ll be safe. Thanks the owner for letting us watch her evaluation. I always learn a lot watching you Ryan.
I get the impression that she is hurting somewhere in her back end. I’m not an expert by any means but my mare has been doing some of the things this mare is doing. I’ve had an osteopath working on her recently and she’s had imbalance in her back and definitely in her sacroiliac joint on the left side. I’ve been doing recovery exercises on the ground with her for a couple of months now and she’s improving little bits at a time. She panics when asked to transition up to a lope and I think it’s because she is expecting a pinch or something that hurts. It’s a process. She’s a very well trained mare too so this has been as though we are starting all over again from just after the green broke stage.
I'm glad you mentioned that I too saw something possibly with left hind, I'm no expert either, just wanted to put that out there. I agree back end seems not 100%, could be spine, S.I. joint, doesn't seem to be tracking up well underneath. Wishing the owner all the best with this lovely mare. I'm glad the owner allowed everyone to watch this session as we all never stop learning.
That's correct. She's lame. The tail and the hind legs are in a constant move,too. This is a hint for a neurological problem. A shame the trainer didn't notice, didn't even consider about anything like that.
First thought when I saw the mare.... Her topline is off. I think there's a vertabra out, where the saddle lays, you can see the bump at certain angles. She needs a chiropractor of sorts, and "belly lifting" exercises in the meantime.
This mare looks really stiff in the hind end, even at a walk. Her high head carriage may indicate a back problem. She moves as if she cannot lower her head and stretch through her top line. ?
@@jesrabbit5162 Short strides front and rear. Shoulders are limited. Toe stabs. Toe catch / foot stumble in soft footing. Absence of hock flexion. Hips do not rotate. Gait irregularities. More indicia of pain after being forced to buck and tear around on limited radius. Horse is obviously not sound just being hand walked. Should never have been saddled much less mounted / forced to carry weight. Edited to add: A professional's first responsibility is to the horse, NOT the owner.
This is a nice mare but I think something's hurting in the back end. I know you mentioned you didn't think ulcers (which is always the first thought) but I'm actually wondering if its ovary related. I know a few mares who have blow ups that are later linked to cycle timing. She's obviously a sensitive horse. Excellent evaluation as always Ryan!
I immediately thought the same thing. Ovulation can be painful for some females both human & animal. I would start tracking her cycles to look for a pattern.
I agree! She looks quite swollen in that area. A friend's horse died of coluc from fat wrapping around her intestines, and her stomach area looked like that.
Ryan great video. It seems like this mare is in pain. She constantly swishes her tail and seems as if she has back pain. I think the owner needs to have a vet check her out.
I felt this also.around the time he saddled her, she kept kicking at something like a mare going into labor .She also holds her tail at a weird angle and constantly swishes it.
I love these types of videos, I learn so much. I have read peoples comments and lots say there is something physically wrong but what I see is a horse who has held a lot of brace for awhile and no one has been able to help her with it until now. Thanks Ryan, YOU ROCK!!!
I learn so much from you Ryan. Thank you. The massage therapist in me can't stop watching her movement. There's something off with her confirmation that makes me wonder if she's uncomfortable. Maybe that was why she couldn't round herself in the ribs. Did anyone notice she never stopped swishing her tail? I appreciate your work Ryan. My mustangs are better riders because of what you've taught me.
@@amandajarboe1131She needs a vet check before a Chiropractor can safely work with her, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a chiropractor could help. She’s a very small horse, I have a feeling she’s having too much weight put on her.
I enjoy these videos! That mare seems so sweet, she’s definitely off though. I know you guys say you check the horses out before you work them, but she’s so short strided and stiff, I don’t think all of it is from behavior or tension. Doesn’t help that she’s a bit of a chunker too lol.
To me she mostly seems a bit older and out of shape. She's probably spent her whole life using her body incorrectly so i wouldn't be surprised if there's a bit of soreness.
@@badlander2000 - compensatory mechanisms defo affected me adversely after yrs of getting away w them (running or playing football) so can see how it would be the same for any animal
Man, it truly boggles my mind the more I learn that I got so lucky as a teenager 😂 I decided one day to ride my jumper in a western saddle, found a saddle, and off we went. Didn't realize horses might have an issue swapping saddle types until years later when I watched another English horse get cinched up with a western saddle and lose it's marbles. I used to ride bareback and backwards and double, never realizing some horses would find it alarming. I love learning 😂 he was never very good at going on trails but I would ride him in western-based play days. I still have his western saddle though I don't know when I'll use it again. It's a memory of him I can't get rid of. Interesting to see how people automatically assume a swishing tail means anxiety. The mare I've raised from birth frequently swishes her tail because she's a bit of a grumpy cuss; I've had her checked over by the vet and various body workers and there's no physical reason for her to do so that I'm aware of. My very anxious gelding, on the other hand, almost never swishes his tail around. He also tends to cock a leg despite being nervous, which has taught me not every horse will cock a leg because they're relaxing and figuring things out. I'm also a big proponent of recognizing when you're out of your depth and looking for a professional. My mare had food aggression issues that stemmed from anxiety when she was two so I sent her to a trainer who got it mostly fixed. She can still be irritable about people being around her while she eats but she no longer lunges, kicks, or tries to bite. I can move her off of her food and let her come back without concern. My gelding I've done nothing but ground work with for a year as he came to me not as advertised, but he had an explosion due to saddlebags a couple weeks ago that told me he needed someone with more experience and more time than I'll have this new year to handle him, so he'll be going to someone for training for a couple months next year. I think it's better to recognize when you need help and reach out rather than try to fix it yourself and possibly make things worse.
Yes, surprises happen. I rode my gelding just about every day and he was solid. Then one day I got on him bareback and he reared straight up. But once he came down he was fine. I guess it just felt that different to him.
@Kelpie. I loved your comment. Ohh the yrs when we were kids & jumped on any 🐎 we could ride. I was curious 🤔. Ya think it's time for you to switch to an electric horse (atv) like my kids are bugging me too😉⁉️✌️❣️🎄
I bought my 1st horses last July, and he was also not as advertised . Idk if maybe he was sedated when I tried him or not, but as a new rider, despite not riding him myself at all yet except at purchase, which sucks, the best thing for him was to be with an experienced trainer who could get him more confident on the ground and under the saddle and in Nov it was 1 year with her! I boarded him there and chose to keep him with her a year, knowing that he'd have over 250 rides by the time I ride him, and that's actually in 2 weeks!!! I'm so excited!!!
it shouldn't matter to a properly trained horse, I literally did everything from roping/reining to showjumping and carriage driving with my Arab lol. If tack matters that much to them (as long as its fitting properly) someone screwed up majorly.
@@saltylikesalineicurnI bought a “bomb proof” horse for my friends and little cousins to ride. When I looked at her and rode her, she seemed like what they said: laid back, nothing bothered her, did what you asked, rode her under saddle and bare back, was not a bolter (kinda slow and lazy -which is what I wanted for them). She was barn kept there, and I have to assume was there most of the time, and was slightly underweight. She seemed sad. I felt sorry for her, and had to bring her home. Jump forward a couple of month, and she got good weight on her, out to pasture the majority of the time with her buddies. My LORT, that horse transformed to a piss and vinegar, wild woman. I truly believe she was depressed and broken at her old owners. I had to work extensively with her, and definitely was not “bomb proof” 😅.
I am assuming that her owner has checked out pain as a possible cause of some of her issues. I am seeing a horse uncomfortable at canter and especially to the right-note the wrong lead and cross cantering as well as stiffness under saddle.
Assuming pain has already been ruled out my guess would be this horse was not trained by a professional. You can see so many holes. Everything from desensitization to collection. The stiffness you see is she’s not collecting her self. At the trot the legs drag behind instead of being engaged. You can see it even more prominently when she canters. The legs are practically being dragged by the front legs no engagement. You’ll see a lot of comments about her being out of shape. It’s inherently difficult for horses to gain muscle and get fit without proper engagement. And with out engagement there is limited balance. You ad a child with out effective balance themselves, improper desensitization, lack of engagement causing lack of balance and that is where the claustrophobia is coming from. When a horse is unsure within its own body it is very hard for them to be sure with a rider. Hence the bucking at canter. The trot is already disengaged and unbalanced so when you up to a canter and it created a glaringly obvious issue.
I watched the whole video not necessarily for the training part, although it was interesting. I watched because she is an absolutely beautiful horse! She is spectacular! 😍
You’re very patient in teaching the owners. It’s amazing how uninformed horse owners can be. I don’t mean that in a rude way, just that there is so much that can go wrong. I’m forever grateful for the different horse people in my life that taught me so much! You are doing a great service Sir.
Excellent video, you covered so many good points, the claustrophobic feel of being strapped up and being bold and obvious with the saddle pad…you really are reading this horse so well.
She’s obese. Don’t mean this in a mean way. She can hardly move out. Her body is super stressed by her weight. Back up on her grain and more exercise. Her ribs are so stressed. She’s cute but so fat.
She won't go in right galop , only left. Also the bucking started when going on the right rein There you immediately know there's a physical problem. Saw her having a problem already during lunging to the right when she didn't even have a saddle on
I didn't see that. That's why I always check out the comments to get the benefit of more experienced eyes. Now, I've got to go back and replay that until I can spot it also. Thanks for sharing
Sounds like she could be cold backed. It’s a deformity in the spine that can cause them to buck or brace when first starting out, on cold and/or windy days. The saddle ends up pinching while they are experiencing a muscle spasm. Had it happen a few times with racehorses.
@@Velcro1997 probably! But she is built long backed like every cold backed horse I ran across, and when she said she didn’t tolerate a second rider it clicked for me. If there’s no ulcers just have a vet check her. It’s easy to fix and work with these days and not as bad as an ulcer. Whatever the problem may be, I hope it gets straightened out for her.
It started when they tried to ride double and now it’s whenever you mount. She’s also carrying her tail to the right side when she moves. I would take her to a chiropractor personally.
This mare is very off in the hind end. I Ithink she has sacroiliac issues. She cannot canter correctly and does not reach under herself. I think she truly needs evaluation by a chiropractor, or body worker, but there is a clear pain issue here.
I’d definitely take her to the vet and check ovaries. She’s definitely in pain and pissy for a reason. Wouldn’t be surprised if she had major cysts or a mass. Once that is addressed and clear then she needs ground work 101 and back to 2yo training with a pro for 90 days.
I'm a french equestrian, I learned a lot from Pat Parelli and Andy Booth and I feel like your vision of horses psychology is adding a lot to my knowledge, I was missing some answers and there you are. Thanks for your precious videos, really like your mindset 😄
I don't own a horse but I do like your videos. You seem to eat, sleep and dream horses. Very good. You seem to be a "craftsman". No idea that horses were so very complicated. If there was a back problem this professional would have seen that immediately in my opinion.
Maybe...if a horse has an incident of bucking....we don't ride the horse with two people? Maybe we could just write that off as a bad idea? I have questions :S
I’d get her checked by a chiropractor …. Stabbing motion in the rear end at the canter .. were the flies bad in the video, she is ringing that tail a lot . Love all your checking tests you use to see where holes might be !!!
Good job!! Very interesting...my thoughts are the mare was a bit over wright so not much work and this courses stiffness in the body...it takes a lot of experience to understand suppleness so I hope the owners do justice to this mare and find a lovely trainer to take the time she needs, good luck guys 🇦🇺🤗🐎
Hi Ryan, excellent video! I was wondering if you have a video addressing what we should look for in a trainer. There are people out there that claim to be professional trainers but don't seem to have knowledge on training or their attitudes just aren't professional. I have a few gaps in my horse's training that I may need someone to help me resolve. Thank you so very much, I learn enjoy watching and am learning a lot from your videos.
Us too. Except we need more than a few minor points. Riders need far more training than the horse. Particularly me as horse has pushed me and senses my nervousness around him. I’m not strong enough to get into pushing contest with a twelve hundred pound horse.
@@finngamesknudson1457 I agree! A ride is great when things are good but things can change really quick (a good spook). When that happens, we've gotta think fast without overreacting ourselves or over correcting. I used to say, well that's a good training opportunity but now I say, "I'm too old." When I feel like I'm starting to get nervous, I intentionally do some deep breathing, "force" myself to relax being aware of any tension I'm carrying and hope (and pray) for the best. Like you said, trying not to get into a pushing contest, the best I can. However, it doesn't always work that way.
I have to agree with some of the other comments. Very nice mare but I think her back is sore. She is short striding and she looks very tight, like she's guarding her back. You can tell she's not happy with the tail swishing. It would be worth it to have an osteopath or craniosacral therapist work on her. It doesn't hurt to rule out everything just to make sure. Good luck, she seems like a sweet mare. I think Ryan did a great job with her.
Thank you for another helpful, knowledgeable training session! Very helpful for our yearling filly before she has a problem that is developed by improper training 😀
This mare seems off in the hind end somewhere. Not saying it's causing the bucking, but she doesn't look comfortable to me at all, especially in the canter. Edit: 27:40 how can you not see the lame steps there? Or 28:18. Right hind.
Great video! I'm glad you're recommending at least 30 days of professional training. A couple things I noticed that you didn't comment on. One is that you didn't pull the saddle pad up into the gullet. I see it's cut out over the withers, which is great, but I still pull it up and wonder what are your feelings on that. The other thing is that he horse looked really sweaty in the forequarters/chest area. Is that an illusion or actually the case? Given that it's not hot out and the horse wasn't worked much that surprised me, unless I'm mistaken (entirely possible). Bottom line great video thanks so much!
Seemed to me that yes, the mare was sweaty, and looking at her nostrils her breathing was very elevated as well. My conclusion was that this horse is in very poor physical shape.
Really good video my horse & I will be doing more of this~You hit the nail on the head "Intolerant" - - I see my work in fornt of me🙂 Thank you doing more work at a walk & trot not just standing - thanks
Breathing is something we're working on with my mare. I've had several people tell me that she looks super relaxed and to just hop on and I can see that she is holding her breath and tight and if I did get on she would be a ticking time bomb under me. Who the heck wants to ride a bomb? Haha
That's exactly what i was thinking, the bracing in her legs during the canter when he rode her looked very uncomfortable. Not a full buck, but you could tell she was gonna blow soon.
As an ex horse owner in Australia love these vids thank you very much I used to ride either in English or stock saddle She does look stiff the raised head indicates a back issue has Ryan tried the deep and round transitions I’m pleased to hear she’s been given a vet test
Have you ever considered that she may be in pain? Check out a video here on TH-cam about the 24 (yes...24!) behaviors horses have when they are in pain. Some don't look lame to the average person, but if you know what to look for, they ARE uncomfortable. More training, bucking straps, lunging, whatever crap people usually come up with is NOT going to help. Might even make it worse...You'd need a good vet that won't give up til they find what's really going on...Check saddle fit also. Lots of horses have big problems with this...
Has she always bucked or just started? She's a very nice mare snd seems like she's so close to being that horse you want 💙 just wondering ? all that tail swishing and body language makes me wonder if there's anything bothering her also ? She's so stiff and locked up .. it's so great to see her start to relax
She acts like a whole lot of green horses I've seen when they're first getting started -- except for the excessive tail swishing. Most likely someone sold her a green horse and called it a "kid's horse". They may have even sedated her. Never trust a horse trader. I told a family I knew NOT to buy a horse without me looking at it first. Their daughter called me all excited about a "kid's horse" they found. Then told me it was an off-the-track thoroughbred COLT that had just been gelded and was two years old. I asked where it was and realized a horse trader I knew had him. When I told her that was a horse trader's place, she didn't think he was. He seems like such a nice guy. I phoned him and when he recognized my voice the first thing he said was "oh, she doesn't want that crazy horse -- he jumped out of the round pen today". He did have a horse that would have been perfect for her, but her family couldn't afford it. Another time i ran into someone in a tack store asking about tie-downs. The owner wasn't in that day and the girl didn't know. I asked what she wanted it for and she said to keep the horse from bucking. I replied that horses put their heads DOWN to buck and the tack shop offered me a job. lol The worst case I ever saw was a family who bought a 2 year old colt that had just come out of race training. I asked if they rode the horse. No. Then I asked if they saw anyone ride the horse. No. If you are at a training center and no one is willing to get on the horse they're trying to sell you, it is NOT the horse for your kids! Fortunately, I was able to talk the place into giving them their money back. And advised them to go look again at the horses that were old and fuzzy and had years of training on them. Yes, sleek horses coming out of race training are prettier, but you don't trust your kids to pretty stallions that are clearly not trained. OLD horses make better kids horses. And NOT thoroughbreds which are hard keepers, have poor feet, and are usually more high strung. (I have TBs and QHs - very different horses!) Horses are easy to buy and a lot harder to sell. Buyer beware. Get experienced advise from someone who can check the horse over and make sure it isn't sedated and is what you are being told. Look at it. Then leave and tell them you'll think about it. And then show up unexpectedly to see if the horse acts the same way. (You cannot always tell if they're lightly sedated, especially mares. Come back in a hour or two or another day and compare.
I agree she is a tiny bit, out of shape and needs to be worked by a professional, she is stiff also and simply has a hard time relaxing and at her age she should be well over all of this stuff it's a shame that nobody took the time to train her better when she was a younger horse but I think she'll be okay,in a few months, if they keep it up, she needs a lot of work under saddle & the groundwork is good for her also but yeah she does need a few months of training before she is relaxed enough to be a kid's horse or even her owner, safely riding her, but Ryan is right she needs more training, before she'll agree to relax, under saddle and it's not her fault, but what a beautiful Mare she is,🥰 and well worth the time and patience that she needs. I am also particular to liking Bay and Liver Chestnut colored Horses..🐎🐴❤️💙 Ryan is definitely the best Horse trainer, I've seen in a long time, for sure.🤗😊
Just an observation, this horse is keeping the tail up and swiping to the right a lot. I wonder what a chiropractic check would reveal? or a vet check?
I wish we knew if she'd had a vet check to make sure there's nothing physical going wrong with her. She just doesn't look comfortable. Even the tail whipping around minute 20-21. And staying tight like she trying to protect herself. Could be pain. ? Any chance we could get an update on her?
I have an older (20s) QH that has bronc bucked me off twice now. These were hard bucks. I’m older myself (60s) and can’t risk getting thrown. Generally he is a very calm, well trained boy. The first buck (March)was from a spook ( which was very unusual). I stayed on but came back a bit in the saddle. He immediately backed up about 8 to 10 feet then bronc bucked twice and I went sailing. The second time was 6 months later (August) when we were riding in a field and had walked and trotted without any issue. When I signaled for the canter he immediately bucked me off. This was totally unexpected. There was no bad behavior leading up to this. I was ok both times but have not been on since due to this concern for my safety. He does have a swayback but I have adequate padding under a Circle Y endurance saddle and see an even sweat pattern that leads me to think it’s not a saddle fit issue. I’m also not a heavy person. I have a massage/body work person coming out to work on him next week and see what she finds regarding soreness. I want to rule out a physical cause but don’t know how to safely manage this, at my age, if it’s a behavioral thing. I still feel like I can and want to ride but my bronc riding days are long over. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Hi Ryan, I really like everything you do and think you’re very talented! That’s why I was shocked to see you reach under her to reach cinch with your head facing back towards hind quarters. If she’s had kicked forward she would have smacked your head!! Try facing forward, then she’s or any horse just going to kick your hind quarters!!! You never know if a fly or bee or bad mannered horse is going to kick their stomach.🤗 Blessings, Zola DaVirro Wheeler
@@rnjewl1749 Horses are all individuals. Age, breed also play a roll in feeding. My best advice would be to go to some nutritional seminars from your feed company or local university. They are free and very informative.
If you read the owner's post she did use chiro, but for other readers, please see a chiro, check hoof trimming, and check for ulcers ... many feed oats and corn, and need to swap diet to less acid. Daughter is lighter weight, hence able to ride as long as not doubles. Despite the reassurance given by the owner, the 4 hr drive might have also retriggered her pain that might have been relieved. I'm still seeing pain. Sales pitch for warmbloods ... we breed thick legs, large feet, and large joints, with a smaller body. AQHA breeds horses to please cattle judges, lots of meat on tiny legs, and it's just not good for long term soundness. Almost no warmbloods have navicular. Unless I'm showjumping every weekend, my warmbloods don't need shoes. A large number of AQHA have to have front shoes w pads.
Trees are always heftier at the ground than they are at the sky. It's not just that Quarter horses are bred to be top heavy, it's also that they are bred to be down hill.
That sounds like EPSM. Equine Polysaccharide myopathy. The infrequency of bucking in a nice horse is a symptom. Worth a look since it’s just a change in feeding. I say this from experience, not trying discount anything you say or do. The stiffness and defensiveness is also a symptom. Had the sweetest horse in the world attack me, trying to stomp me, it was a scary situation. With appropriate feed, he’s the go to for anything.
🐴🐴🐴Wow you did good 😊 she’s a good girl, smart too. Glad to see that you didn’t rush the horse,you asked her, and she gave it to you. I don’t think I could explain the “feel” or “cue” you get from your horse when there ready to be overwhelmed…. And if the rider gets tense when they feel this from their mount, it can be a disaster. Truly the hardest part of horse training is the ground. Thank God I learned this when I was able to bounce back quick, hard lesson. When that Jack bucked you, he would move forwards, then twist. Yep, I miss Jack, he was a good mule. But like any working animal, you have to stimulate their mind. On a working farm the mule always had chores, but today geeez horses don’t many chances to be horses. Oh well, stay safe.
Great video - I think she is a mare that will always need a warm up she - is not the kids horse that you an leave and then go a month or 2 later get right on . I have a horse like her . . . I always have to do in the "Hello I am here" connection before we get started. Even if a week goes by he is not signed up thanks V
Got to say this horse has me perplexed. If she were younger and new to saddle I could understand the sensitivity and bucking but for a horse this age with apparently years under saddle I just have to wonder if something is going on here???
I would appreciate if you Ryan could making a dedicated video about bending/yielding. From the ground, from the saddle. What is it exactly? what it means when horse is bent. Are they always relaxing, or are they sometimes in discomfort when doing it? Is bending the lava, because sometimes it seems you use it to create discomfort, but then you bend the horse when you want to make him relaxed and disengaged... Why do it? When to do it? and when not? how exactly to do it?... Maybe demistifying few myths about bending the horse... Cos I kinda feel confused about this.
If any horse goes to buck you, I learned on my Pappy's horse Farm what to watch for and what to listen for.... If they quickly drop their head And start rapidly tapping their front feet, IMMEDIATELY pull back quickly and QUICKLY and firmly on the reigns, just give it a quick firm jerk and pull their head back up into a normal position If they ever go to rear up on you.... Take the Medie part of your fist behind your small finger, ball up your fist and hit them right between the ears, making them think they hit their head and they'll go back down if you didn't fall off Remember, you can't get overly confident, and you must always have a handful of hair.... If you have a horse with not much hair or maybe no hair at all, you're going to need to either hang onto the saddle, or have something else in place that you can hang onto depending on what kind of saddle you use or what's available to you while riding You always want to have your empty hand on something and teach your horse how to neck reign Our horses and ponies were good at this, mine was especially good, So good you could lay the knot down and just move the knot slightly and it would have the same effect Yes, we had loose reigns that I tied together so I wouldn't lose them When I tied them together, I always made sure they weren't twisted and it was tied neatly and at the right length The knot was started LOOSELY so it could be moved Until it was just right and then CAREFULLY TIGHTENED so no one would be able easily undo my knot, because THAT was MY NORMAL BRIDLE that was assigned to me and Snowball....
I always wonder if they have had a full medical check, before they start to look at it as only behavior issues. Pain can make a horse act out, usually it's a frustration thing. This horse can just be incredibly tense, and therefore walk as if she's in pain, and by getting her relaxed, it will relieve the stiffness. But it can also be that she is bracing for pain, either in her muscles, or intestine, or joint.. Check out subtle lameness.
I think the owner lied to you about a full vet check, that horse is in pain. In the video if you watch closely as you're working her you can see muscle cramps/contractions happening in her back and hind end.
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I hope you first asked the owner if the vet has seen the mare prior to your work with her. I don't know what breed she is, but by the way she is trotting she might have multiple issues with her legs (maybe navicular, ossification of the hoof cartilage, sacro-illiac issues, arthritis in hocks, etc) as she is very stiff in her movements and slightly irregular. The other thing that might cause her to have such irregular blow outs are ovarian issues. She might have multiple cysts on her ovaries that might be very uncomfortable or painful during her heat, which can cause her to buck and explode occasionally and not every day. This mare needs a vet appointment then the training may resume. Nonetheless, amazing and soft work with her, very nicely done without brute force which im used to see with these kind of "problematic" horses here on TH-cam 👏👍
Did the tail twitching when you started riding her around mean anything?
@@bearsmartdurango I do not see the reason behind such a reply, but I will play dumb and get over that. I was curious about the history of a mare, because I've seen many owners have difficulties with horses, but didn't know that a horse had a chronic issue that was causing occasional pain that they couldn't predict/understand. I'm also a veterinarian interested in lameness issues in horses, and if my question was out of line, and you would like to keep the confidential information safe, you could have simply said so. I also don't understand why such a stand off answer, as I complimented the way you worked with the mare and she seemed to have responded beautifully to your time spent together. Good luck in your further endeavors and I'm sorry to see how my previous question offended you so much
@@sacriface777 Great information in your post! As one reading this, I appreciate your information. I notice the way my horse moves she's stiff especially in the hinds and I've wondered about girl issues, she's rather moody and when she was younger, was constantly in heat, not so often now. Had many appointments with the vet with various lab tests, always normal. Last year had issues with lameness with no positive diagnosis but she was overweight but we helped her with that (we live in areas with harsh weather, snow/ice with no indoor arena) with increased exercise and feed adjustments. Again, thank you for the information.
I'm chiropractically minded. High head carriage and stiff spine, looks uncomfortable for her. Maybe the owner has had a chiropractor check her. I wud do that.
I've known a school mare that gradually developed a similar bucking issue. We thought it was random, but eventually we noticed that there was a relation to her heat cycle. After a vet check we discovered an ovarian mass. I'd highly recommend a Vet check.
Had a mare the same she had more than one but they were small , but she really was uncomfortable. Poor girls , such a shame and must have been in agony, had an ovarian cyst myself so can sympathise a lot .
I had a mare that would tend to buck when in heat. There wasn't anything "wrong" with her, but being that I've always had rough cycles, I felt like she might very well too. I think she just didn't feel well at that time in the month. So I broke her to drive, and one week in the month we drove instead of riding. She was perfect in harness. She just didn't want anyone on her back.
We had a boarder at our stable years ago that had that same issue. With mares, it's always a possibility.
same I had a mare that passed a vetting 100% until they ultra-sounded her ovaries. The one on the right looked like 1950's TV snow! She had bucked off a buyer.... they read me the riot act for it. Accused me of everything. How would I have known. The next spring she US'd clear and was actually ovulating on that ovary at the time! Next buyer swoped her up.
I hate horse driving it's not my thing
Owner Update: After applying Ryan's techniques since our visit, she no longer reacts like this to the ropes :) We are thankful for the opportunity to have a professional provide guidance to prepare us and our sweet mare to become as safe as possible. These videos and patreon are great resources for anyone looking to expand their horsemanship knowledge. We work on it every day!
Some Answers-Facts: We traveled 4 hours one way for this visit. It was a beautiful unseasonably warm day, which means flies! The session was actually an hour long, so no, she is not get that sweaty from 30 minutes. Our mare was completely out of shape when we got her a little over a year ago. We are currently on our second saddle because her body is changing from regular work and conditioning. Unfortunately, she has a tendency to become overweight from just looking at hay. She has had regular visits from vet, chiropractor and massage therapist with Bemer set and PEMF Pro 3 in 1 blanket treatments in between. There has been no pain trigger found from any of these professionals and we will continue with regular appointments to ensure it stays that way in the future.
Wondering what is considered a normal no-pain completely sound horse response for a situation like this. A long trip in a trailer to have a trainer (stranger) try to find all the things that make the horse uncomfortable to figure out holes that need to be fixed... First time in a rear cinch. Would all other horses have nice fluid movement with no brace or irritated tail swishing?
She handled all of that beautifully.. that’s a lot to throw at a horse all at once and she took it in stride!
I seen the same....she doesnt seem to move freely in the rearend i noticed most every third stride she'd give a slight head bob.....??recently i red an article on how the rear trimming of a horse can have every thing to do with their posture and movement. The trim Being just a smidging off can affect everything...new studies have shown . i will look for a link to this article anf get back to u!! If you eould ike ?? Its awesome to see this mare deginstley does lack in care from you. Where i live nobody believes in natural horsemanship. Chiros or massage or even listening to the horse!! Good trails yo you and thanc rtan for video
All of those admitted reasons for the horse to display exactly what she displays. And then a pile of "new" things thrown at her for an hour. Why? Because "that's what I wanted to do." This "more, more, more " method is why sensitive horses go sour -- some will become dangerous because their encounters with humans are so rude and unfair -- in a hurry.
This is a classic "the ends justify the means" method. The horse's "voice" is ignored.
If I did this to a client's horse the ghosts of those who trained me would be up and out of their graves and chasing me down with a twitch.
@@emmawillard1832 Because most are more willing to criticize instead of offering help 😉
@@horsefun123
Missed the point of the horse's communications. Which is the same as criticizing the horse's point of view and rolling over or ignoring the horse's voice as either unimportant or unworthy of attention or offered without justification, i.e., the horse is characterized as a "complainer" or some other insult of the horse's character and unwarranted motivations.
Confirms my point as advocate for this unsound horse and every horse.
Offering help: bring horse -- as long as it is finally sound -- and stay at least a month at my expense. Leave the "attitude" at home or learn why that approach is so destructive to learning from Ben upon arrival.
She’s out of shape and needs good training , not a kid’s horse yet. Hopefully some day she’ll be safe. Thanks the owner for letting us watch her evaluation. I always learn a lot watching you Ryan.
I get the impression that she is hurting somewhere in her back end. I’m not an expert by any means but my mare has been doing some of the things this mare is doing. I’ve had an osteopath working on her recently and she’s had imbalance in her back and definitely in her sacroiliac joint on the left side. I’ve been doing recovery exercises on the ground with her for a couple of months now and she’s improving little bits at a time. She panics when asked to transition up to a lope and I think it’s because she is expecting a pinch or something that hurts. It’s a process. She’s a very well trained mare too so this has been as though we are starting all over again from just after the green broke stage.
I'm glad you mentioned that I too saw something possibly with left hind, I'm no expert either, just wanted to put that out there. I agree back end seems not 100%, could be spine, S.I. joint, doesn't seem to be tracking up well underneath. Wishing the owner all the best with this lovely mare. I'm glad the owner allowed everyone to watch this session as we all never stop learning.
That's correct. She's lame.
The tail and the hind legs are in a constant move,too. This is a hint for a neurological problem.
A shame the trainer didn't notice, didn't even consider about anything like that.
I agree. The trainer needs to know when it’s lameness or pain. Does anyone think it could be PSSM?
@akat1203 yes I agree, super lame LH and surely some SI issues and possibly hamstring.
First thought when I saw the mare.... Her topline is off. I think there's a vertabra out, where the saddle lays, you can see the bump at certain angles. She needs a chiropractor of sorts, and "belly lifting" exercises in the meantime.
This mare looks really stiff in the hind end, even at a walk. Her high head carriage may indicate a back problem. She moves as if she cannot lower her head and stretch through her top line. ?
Exactly.
Sore in more than one place.
Seems worse on left hind being stiff
@@jesrabbit5162
Short strides front and rear.
Shoulders are limited.
Toe stabs.
Toe catch / foot stumble in soft footing.
Absence of hock flexion.
Hips do not rotate.
Gait irregularities.
More indicia of pain after being forced to buck and tear around on limited radius.
Horse is obviously not sound just being hand walked. Should never have been saddled much less mounted / forced to carry weight.
Edited to add:
A professional's first responsibility is to the horse, NOT the owner.
Good point
High head, head tilt, short step and toe first landing, big issue in back left and probably somewhere else
This is a nice mare but I think something's hurting in the back end. I know you mentioned you didn't think ulcers (which is always the first thought) but I'm actually wondering if its ovary related. I know a few mares who have blow ups that are later linked to cycle timing. She's obviously a sensitive horse. Excellent evaluation as always Ryan!
I immediately thought the same thing. Ovulation can be painful for some females both human & animal. I would start tracking her cycles to look for a pattern.
I never thought of that.
I agree! She looks quite swollen in that area. A friend's horse died of coluc from fat wrapping around her intestines, and her stomach area looked like that.
It could be a cyst/mass in her reproductive system, those are more common than we might realize.
The owner gave this fine mare ulcers. I was not liking her from the start.
You’re thumbnails never cease to make me click. I don’t have a horse. I don’t know anyone with a horse, but horses intrigue me.
Ryan great video. It seems like this mare is in pain. She constantly swishes her tail and seems as if she has back pain. I think the owner needs to have a vet check her out.
I felt this also.around the time he saddled her, she kept kicking at something like a mare going into labor .She also holds her tail at a weird angle and constantly swishes it.
I love these types of videos, I learn so much. I have read peoples comments and lots say there is something physically wrong but what I see is a horse who has held a lot of brace for awhile and no one has been able to help her with it until now. Thanks Ryan, YOU ROCK!!!
I learn so much from you Ryan. Thank you. The massage therapist in me can't stop watching her movement. There's something off with her confirmation that makes me wonder if she's uncomfortable. Maybe that was why she couldn't round herself in the ribs. Did anyone notice she never stopped swishing her tail? I appreciate your work Ryan. My mustangs are better riders because of what you've taught me.
Yeah. I noticed her swishing tail and she was sweating a lot too!
I noticed this and wished someone like the Animal Cracker (Dr. Doug Willen) was close enough to check her over. She is definitely not okay.
@@amandajarboe1131She needs a vet check before a Chiropractor can safely work with her, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a chiropractor could help. She’s a very small horse, I have a feeling she’s having too much weight put on her.
I'm breaking my horse myself and I learn a lot from you. I appreciate your videos.
Same here.
His calming patience is impressive.
"breaking"is a bit of an outdated term. "Starting" is a better term for what you're doing with your horse. 🙂
@@CommonSense14537 It comes from like breaking in your shoes. Getting them shaped and fitted and tuned into you. Not breaking them in half or spirit
@@RoanAndRoaming The term still insinuates force used. Doesn't mean that anymore.
Ryan has a way of explaining his process that makes it easy to follow and understand. TY
Thanks
This was a great session! My horse doesn't buck, but she is sensitive and stiff and does get bothered, and I learned a lot from this!
I enjoy these videos! That mare seems so sweet, she’s definitely off though. I know you guys say you check the horses out before you work them, but she’s so short strided and stiff, I don’t think all of it is from behavior or tension. Doesn’t help that she’s a bit of a chunker too lol.
To me she mostly seems a bit older and out of shape. She's probably spent her whole life using her body incorrectly so i wouldn't be surprised if there's a bit of soreness.
@@badlander2000 - compensatory mechanisms defo affected me adversely after yrs of getting away w them (running or playing football) so can see how it would be the same for any animal
The editing in the videos is so awesome! I’m liking them more and more everyday!
I love how you just calmly keep doing what you're doing while she is bucking and kicking, just observing without judgment.
Man, it truly boggles my mind the more I learn that I got so lucky as a teenager 😂 I decided one day to ride my jumper in a western saddle, found a saddle, and off we went. Didn't realize horses might have an issue swapping saddle types until years later when I watched another English horse get cinched up with a western saddle and lose it's marbles. I used to ride bareback and backwards and double, never realizing some horses would find it alarming. I love learning 😂 he was never very good at going on trails but I would ride him in western-based play days. I still have his western saddle though I don't know when I'll use it again. It's a memory of him I can't get rid of.
Interesting to see how people automatically assume a swishing tail means anxiety. The mare I've raised from birth frequently swishes her tail because she's a bit of a grumpy cuss; I've had her checked over by the vet and various body workers and there's no physical reason for her to do so that I'm aware of. My very anxious gelding, on the other hand, almost never swishes his tail around. He also tends to cock a leg despite being nervous, which has taught me not every horse will cock a leg because they're relaxing and figuring things out.
I'm also a big proponent of recognizing when you're out of your depth and looking for a professional. My mare had food aggression issues that stemmed from anxiety when she was two so I sent her to a trainer who got it mostly fixed. She can still be irritable about people being around her while she eats but she no longer lunges, kicks, or tries to bite. I can move her off of her food and let her come back without concern. My gelding I've done nothing but ground work with for a year as he came to me not as advertised, but he had an explosion due to saddlebags a couple weeks ago that told me he needed someone with more experience and more time than I'll have this new year to handle him, so he'll be going to someone for training for a couple months next year. I think it's better to recognize when you need help and reach out rather than try to fix it yourself and possibly make things worse.
Yes, surprises happen. I rode my gelding just about every day and he was solid. Then one day I got on him bareback and he reared straight up. But once he came down he was fine. I guess it just felt that different to him.
@Kelpie. I loved your comment. Ohh the yrs when we were kids & jumped on any 🐎 we could ride. I was curious 🤔. Ya think it's time for you to switch to an electric horse (atv) like my kids are bugging me too😉⁉️✌️❣️🎄
I bought my 1st horses last July, and he was also not as advertised . Idk if maybe he was sedated when I tried him or not, but as a new rider, despite not riding him myself at all yet except at purchase, which sucks, the best thing for him was to be with an experienced trainer who could get him more confident on the ground and under the saddle and in Nov it was 1 year with her! I boarded him there and chose to keep him with her a year, knowing that he'd have over 250 rides by the time I ride him, and that's actually in 2 weeks!!! I'm so excited!!!
it shouldn't matter to a properly trained horse, I literally did everything from roping/reining to showjumping and carriage driving with my Arab lol. If tack matters that much to them (as long as its fitting properly) someone screwed up majorly.
@@saltylikesalineicurnI bought a “bomb proof” horse for my friends and little cousins to ride. When I looked at her and rode her, she seemed like what they said: laid back, nothing bothered her, did what you asked, rode her under saddle and bare back, was not a bolter (kinda slow and lazy -which is what I wanted for them). She was barn kept there, and I have to assume was there most of the time, and was slightly underweight. She seemed sad. I felt sorry for her, and had to bring her home. Jump forward a couple of month, and she got good weight on her, out to pasture the majority of the time with her buddies. My LORT, that horse transformed to a piss and vinegar, wild woman. I truly believe she was depressed and broken at her old owners. I had to work extensively with her, and definitely was not “bomb proof” 😅.
A tough job well described. This guy has the gift of clear communication and the ability to be objective, fair and accurate. Thank you!
I am assuming that her owner has checked out pain as a possible cause of some of her issues. I am seeing a horse uncomfortable at canter and especially to the right-note the wrong lead and cross cantering as well as stiffness under saddle.
Assuming pain has already been ruled out my guess would be this horse was not trained by a professional. You can see so many holes. Everything from desensitization to collection. The stiffness you see is she’s not collecting her self. At the trot the legs drag behind instead of being engaged. You can see it even more prominently when she canters. The legs are practically being dragged by the front legs no engagement. You’ll see a lot of comments about her being out of shape. It’s inherently difficult for horses to gain muscle and get fit without proper engagement. And with out engagement there is limited balance. You ad a child with out effective balance themselves, improper desensitization, lack of engagement causing lack of balance and that is where the claustrophobia is coming from. When a horse is unsure within its own body it is very hard for them to be sure with a rider. Hence the bucking at canter. The trot is already disengaged and unbalanced so when you up to a canter and it created a glaringly obvious issue.
I watched the whole video not necessarily for the training part, although it was interesting. I watched because she is an absolutely beautiful horse! She is spectacular! 😍
You’re very patient in teaching the owners. It’s amazing how uninformed horse owners can be. I don’t mean that in a rude way, just that there is so much that can go wrong. I’m forever grateful for the different horse people in my life that taught me so much! You are doing a great service Sir.
Excellent video, you covered so many good points, the claustrophobic feel of being strapped up and being bold and obvious with the saddle pad…you really are reading this horse so well.
Ryan you're the best horse trainer there is. Every time I see a video from you I click on it right away! You've got a big fan from Finland!
Thanks for watching! Glad your enjoying them.
She’s obese. Don’t mean this in a mean way. She can hardly move out. Her body is super stressed by her weight. Back up on her grain and more exercise. Her ribs are so stressed. She’s cute but so fat.
Me too...love love your techniques and mannerisms. Wish could get you to KY. Your #1 KY fan.
She won't go in right galop , only left. Also the bucking started when going on the right rein There you immediately know there's a physical problem. Saw her having a problem already during lunging to the right when she didn't even have a saddle on
I agree. It's a shame he didn't see that at all.
I didn't see that. That's why I always check out the comments to get the benefit of more experienced eyes. Now, I've got to go back and replay that until I can spot it also. Thanks for sharing
This problems most on the right side maybe is connected to the stomach?!?!
Sounds like she could be cold backed. It’s a deformity in the spine that can cause them to buck or brace when first starting out, on cold and/or windy days. The saddle ends up pinching while they are experiencing a muscle spasm. Had it happen a few times with racehorses.
I think ulcers (along with what Ryan had said.)
@@Velcro1997 probably! But she is built long backed like every cold backed horse I ran across, and when she said she didn’t tolerate a second rider it clicked for me. If there’s no ulcers just have a vet check her. It’s easy to fix and work with these days and not as bad as an ulcer. Whatever the problem may be, I hope it gets straightened out for her.
Cold backed is the term used for a horse that'll likely buck, yes. But not for a deformity like you suggest.
Being cold backed is not a deformity
@@ladyfarrier5949 yes you are right. I was thinking more of the kissing spine version of cold backed than other forms.
It started when they tried to ride double and now it’s whenever you mount. She’s also carrying her tail to the right side when she moves. I would take her to a chiropractor personally.
Hmmm, I noticed that too, at first I thought she was in estrus 🤔
This mare is very off in the hind end.
I Ithink she has sacroiliac issues. She cannot canter correctly and does not reach under herself. I think she truly needs evaluation by a chiropractor, or body worker, but there is a clear pain issue here.
I have heard allergy to alfalfa can cause severe gut pain and erratic dangerous behavour.
I’d definitely take her to the vet and check ovaries. She’s definitely in pain and pissy for a reason. Wouldn’t be surprised if she had major cysts or a mass. Once that is addressed and clear then she needs ground work 101 and back to 2yo training with a pro for 90 days.
I'm a french equestrian, I learned a lot from Pat Parelli and Andy Booth and I feel like your vision of horses psychology is adding a lot to my knowledge, I was missing some answers and there you are. Thanks for your precious videos, really like your mindset 😄
She looks very stiff, short strided and hesitant. The high head worries me a lot. Makes me wonder about pain .
Good reminder to do the preride check! Great video!
Nice job breaking down the steps needed to evaluate and trouble shoot a horses sensitivities
I don't own a horse but I do like your videos. You seem to eat, sleep and dream horses. Very good. You seem to be a "craftsman". No idea that horses were so very complicated.
If there was a back problem this professional would have seen that immediately in my opinion.
Beautiful horse....nice sunny day!
Yes it was!
I like your communication,patience,I learned more
Maybe...if a horse has an incident of bucking....we don't ride the horse with two people? Maybe we could just write that off as a bad idea? I have questions :S
I’d get her checked by a chiropractor …. Stabbing motion in the rear end at the canter .. were the flies bad in the video, she is ringing that tail a lot . Love all your checking tests you use to see where holes might be !!!
Great job, you are the best, Ryan! You win over all the trainers!❤❤❤
Good job!! Very interesting...my thoughts are the mare was a bit over wright so not much work and this courses stiffness in the body...it takes a lot of experience to understand suppleness so I hope the owners do justice to this mare and find a lovely trainer to take the time she needs, good luck guys 🇦🇺🤗🐎
Hi Ryan, excellent video! I was wondering if you have a video addressing what we should look for in a trainer. There are people out there that claim to be professional trainers but don't seem to have knowledge on training or their attitudes just aren't professional. I have a few gaps in my horse's training that I may need someone to help me resolve. Thank you so very much, I learn enjoy watching and am learning a lot from your videos.
It’s not a fancy business card! 😉
^^^
Us too. Except we need more than a few minor points. Riders need far more training than the horse. Particularly me as horse has pushed me and senses my nervousness around him. I’m not strong enough to get into pushing contest with a twelve hundred pound horse.
@@finngamesknudson1457 I agree! A ride is great when things are good but things can change really quick (a good spook). When that happens, we've gotta think fast without overreacting ourselves or over correcting. I used to say, well that's a good training opportunity but now I say, "I'm too old." When I feel like I'm starting to get nervous, I intentionally do some deep breathing, "force" myself to relax being aware of any tension I'm carrying and hope (and pray) for the best. Like you said, trying not to get into a pushing contest, the best I can. However, it doesn't always work that way.
@@katie195 Nope, ignore the fancy cards, lol.
Sooo kool ❤❤ I love watching this. Nice-- al this awesome narrating the horses mood and temperament. Stunning 🐎 🐴 ❤
This mare is absolutely gorgeous! ❤🐎
I have to agree with some of the other comments. Very nice mare but I think her back is sore. She is short striding and she looks very tight, like she's guarding her back. You can tell she's not happy with the tail swishing. It would be worth it to have an osteopath or craniosacral therapist work on her. It doesn't hurt to rule out everything just to make sure. Good luck, she seems like a sweet mare. I think Ryan did a great job with her.
How can it be said that a "trainer" did "a great job" with an obviously unsound horse?
One of your best videos! I learned a lot. In karate ,"As slow as possible,as fast as necessary"......Scenary was great,waiting for spring
Thank you for another helpful, knowledgeable training session! Very helpful for our yearling filly before she has a problem that is developed by improper training 😀
This mare seems off in the hind end somewhere. Not saying it's causing the bucking, but she doesn't look comfortable to me at all, especially in the canter.
Edit: 27:40 how can you not see the lame steps there? Or 28:18. Right hind.
Little disappointed there’s no mention of how much her tail is swishing. Seems like she’s in pain somewhere?
A beautiful and instructive video!
The editing was extra on point with this one. 😊👌
Great video! I'm glad you're recommending at least 30 days of professional training. A couple things I noticed that you didn't comment on. One is that you didn't pull the saddle pad up into the gullet. I see it's cut out over the withers, which is great, but I still pull it up and wonder what are your feelings on that. The other thing is that he horse looked really sweaty in the forequarters/chest area. Is that an illusion or actually the case? Given that it's not hot out and the horse wasn't worked much that surprised me, unless I'm mistaken (entirely possible). Bottom line great video thanks so much!
Seemed to me that yes, the mare was sweaty, and looking at her nostrils her breathing was very elevated as well. My conclusion was that this horse is in very poor physical shape.
Horses can sweat from nerves/fear, as can people. She's nervous enough to buck.
Really good video my horse & I will be doing more of this~You hit the nail on the head "Intolerant" - - I see my work in fornt of me🙂 Thank you doing more work at a walk & trot not just standing - thanks
I'm so glad she got an evaluation from you before her kids got seriously hurt. So true about spending money on a good trainer or emergency room!
Breathing is something we're working on with my mare. I've had several people tell me that she looks super relaxed and to just hop on and I can see that she is holding her breath and tight and if I did get on she would be a ticking time bomb under me. Who the heck wants to ride a bomb? Haha
Only crazy bronc riders do! Lol
Could the bracing and tail swishing be an indication of pain?
That's exactly what i was thinking, the bracing in her legs during the canter when he rode her looked very uncomfortable. Not a full buck, but you could tell she was gonna blow soon.
Hi Ryan. What is her tail telling you?
I suggest a chiropractic appointment, bc that tail is wild, I think she's in pain or discomfort.
I always.. always appreciate your videos. Thank you.
As an ex horse owner in Australia love these vids thank you very much I used to ride either in English or stock saddle
She does look stiff the raised head indicates a back issue has Ryan tried the deep and round transitions
I’m pleased to hear she’s been given a vet test
I’m new to your channel and I just want to say I really enjoy your videos
She looks off at the trot and maybe a sore shoulder. She's quick to get off the left front and has a slight head bob, IMO. Thanks for your videos.
lol i love the stare at the end from the house. so intense from that recording angle
Have you ever considered that she may be in pain? Check out a video here on TH-cam about the 24 (yes...24!) behaviors horses have when they are in pain. Some don't look lame to the average person, but if you know what to look for, they ARE uncomfortable. More training, bucking straps, lunging, whatever crap people usually come up with is NOT going to help. Might even make it worse...You'd need a good vet that won't give up til they find what's really going on...Check saddle fit also. Lots of horses have big problems with this...
Has she always bucked or just started? She's a very nice mare snd seems like she's so close to being that horse you want 💙 just wondering ? all that tail swishing and body language makes me wonder if there's anything bothering her also ? She's so stiff and locked up .. it's so great to see her start to relax
She acts like a whole lot of green horses I've seen when they're first getting started -- except for the excessive tail swishing. Most likely someone sold her a green horse and called it a "kid's horse". They may have even sedated her. Never trust a horse trader.
I told a family I knew NOT to buy a horse without me looking at it first. Their daughter called me all excited about a "kid's horse" they found. Then told me it was an off-the-track thoroughbred COLT that had just been gelded and was two years old. I asked where it was and realized a horse trader I knew had him.
When I told her that was a horse trader's place, she didn't think he was. He seems like such a nice guy. I phoned him and when he recognized my voice the first thing he said was "oh, she doesn't want that crazy horse -- he jumped out of the round pen today".
He did have a horse that would have been perfect for her, but her family couldn't afford it.
Another time i ran into someone in a tack store asking about tie-downs. The owner wasn't in that day and the girl didn't know. I asked what she wanted it for and she said to keep the horse from bucking. I replied that horses put their heads DOWN to buck and the tack shop offered me a job. lol
The worst case I ever saw was a family who bought a 2 year old colt that had just come out of race training. I asked if they rode the horse. No. Then I asked if they saw anyone ride the horse. No. If you are at a training center and no one is willing to get on the horse they're trying to sell you, it is NOT the horse for your kids!
Fortunately, I was able to talk the place into giving them their money back. And advised them to go look again at the horses that were old and fuzzy and had years of training on them. Yes, sleek horses coming out of race training are prettier, but you don't trust your kids to pretty stallions that are clearly not trained.
OLD horses make better kids horses. And NOT thoroughbreds which are hard keepers, have poor feet, and are usually more high strung. (I have TBs and QHs - very different horses!)
Horses are easy to buy and a lot harder to sell. Buyer beware. Get experienced advise from someone who can check the horse over and make sure it isn't sedated and is what you are being told. Look at it. Then leave and tell them you'll think about it. And then show up unexpectedly to see if the horse acts the same way. (You cannot always tell if they're lightly sedated, especially mares. Come back in a hour or two or another day and compare.
Owner said it was a recent development and only happened a few times
The hind end lamness on this poor mare needs addressing!
I agree she is a tiny bit, out of shape and needs to be worked by a professional, she is stiff also and simply has a hard time relaxing and at her age she should be well over all of this stuff it's a shame that nobody took the time to train her better when she was a younger horse but I think she'll be okay,in a few months, if they keep it up, she needs a lot of work under saddle & the groundwork is good for her also but yeah she does need a few months of training before she is relaxed enough to be a kid's horse or even her owner, safely riding her, but Ryan is right she needs more training, before she'll agree to relax, under saddle and it's not her fault, but what a beautiful Mare she is,🥰 and well worth the time and patience that she needs. I am also particular to liking Bay and Liver Chestnut colored Horses..🐎🐴❤️💙 Ryan is definitely the best Horse trainer, I've seen in a long time, for sure.🤗😊
Just an observation, this horse is keeping the tail up and swiping to the right a lot. I wonder what a chiropractic check would reveal? or a vet check?
I agree. She is sweating quite a bit fir a horse that is not being ridden hard. I would have her thoroughly checked by a very good vet!
Beautiful mare. Definitely worth the time and money for more exposure to all things..
I wish we knew if she'd had a vet check to make sure there's nothing physical going wrong with her. She just doesn't look comfortable. Even the tail whipping around minute 20-21. And staying tight like she trying to protect herself. Could be pain. ? Any chance we could get an update on her?
I would say she might be in some pain.She keeps kicking at something like a mare does when they start going into labor.
I have an older (20s) QH that has bronc bucked me off twice now. These were hard bucks. I’m older myself (60s) and can’t risk getting thrown.
Generally he is a very calm, well trained boy. The first buck (March)was from a spook ( which was very unusual). I stayed on but came back a bit in the saddle. He immediately backed up about 8 to 10 feet then bronc bucked twice and I went sailing. The second time was 6 months later (August) when we were riding in a field and had walked and trotted without any issue. When I signaled for the canter he immediately bucked me off. This was totally unexpected. There was no bad behavior leading up to this. I was ok both times but have not been on since due to this concern for my safety.
He does have a swayback but I have adequate padding under a Circle Y endurance saddle and see an even sweat pattern that leads me to think it’s not a saddle fit issue. I’m also not a heavy person. I have a massage/body work person coming out to work on him next week and see what she finds regarding soreness.
I want to rule out a physical cause but don’t know how to safely manage this, at my age, if it’s a behavioral thing. I still feel like I can and want to ride but my bronc riding days are long over. Any suggestions are appreciated.
I love that you quote Tom!! I learned from Ray Hunt!
Did you check the saddle(if it fits...) and the back of the horse?That horse looks like there could be something going on there.
I definitely agree with everything Ryan has said but I’d love to see this mare get some ulcer treatment (omeprazole where I am in Canada.)
She is a beautiful horse!
That horse held a perfect position right at the end there, just staring straight at the camera 😆
Hi Ryan, I really like everything you do and think you’re very talented! That’s why I was shocked to see you reach under her to reach cinch with your head facing back towards hind quarters. If she’s had kicked forward she would have smacked your head!! Try facing forward, then she’s or any horse just going to kick your hind quarters!!! You never know if a fly or bee or bad mannered horse is going to kick their stomach.🤗
Blessings,
Zola DaVirro Wheeler
Bladder infection? Very stiff walk! We had horse with one and sadly it took us a long time to know. They can't tell us where they hurt 😪
Also if you are not going to ride your horse on a regular basis don't feed them like a horse in work. It will create high levels of energy.
What are your recommendations for a horse not “in work?”
@@rnjewl1749 Horses are all individuals. Age, breed also play a roll in feeding. My best advice would be to go to some nutritional seminars from your feed company or local university. They are free and very informative.
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Hay.
Caloric density commensurate with horse's level of activity and access to fodder other than in the stable.
If you read the owner's post she did use chiro, but for other readers, please see a chiro, check hoof trimming, and check for ulcers ... many feed oats and corn, and need to swap diet to less acid. Daughter is lighter weight, hence able to ride as long as not doubles. Despite the reassurance given by the owner, the 4 hr drive might have also retriggered her pain that might have been relieved. I'm still seeing pain. Sales pitch for warmbloods ... we breed thick legs, large feet, and large joints, with a smaller body. AQHA breeds horses to please cattle judges, lots of meat on tiny legs, and it's just not good for long term soundness. Almost no warmbloods have navicular. Unless I'm showjumping every weekend, my warmbloods don't need shoes. A large number of AQHA have to have front shoes w pads.
Trees are always heftier at the ground than they are at the sky.
It's not just that Quarter horses are bred to be top heavy, it's also that they are bred to be down hill.
That sounds like EPSM. Equine Polysaccharide myopathy. The infrequency of bucking in a nice horse is a symptom. Worth a look since it’s just a change in feeding.
I say this from experience, not trying discount anything you say or do.
The stiffness and defensiveness is also a symptom.
Had the sweetest horse in the world attack me, trying to stomp me, it was a scary situation. With appropriate feed, he’s the go to for anything.
What could possibly go wrong with two kids on her ?
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🐴🐴🐴Wow you did good 😊 she’s a good girl, smart too. Glad to see that you didn’t rush the horse,you asked her, and she gave it to you. I don’t think I could explain the “feel” or “cue” you get from your horse when there ready to be overwhelmed…. And if the rider gets tense when they feel this from their mount, it can be a disaster. Truly the hardest part of horse training is the ground. Thank God I learned this when I was able to bounce back quick, hard lesson. When that Jack bucked you, he would move forwards, then twist. Yep, I miss Jack, he was a good mule. But like any working animal, you have to stimulate their mind. On a working farm the mule always had chores, but today geeez horses don’t many chances to be horses. Oh well, stay safe.
You did a good job on the horse
The tail swishing when asked to move tells me and her stiffness tells me she's hurting
Does the tail wringing concern you?
Sherill, I wondered the same. Maybe just her general anxiety?
Thanks for another video!!
She's beautiful. Great session.
Nice! Now if only I'll remember all these great ideas come riding season! Thanks for all you share in your videos
Great video - I think she is a mare that will always need a warm up she - is not the kids horse that you an leave and then go a month or 2 later get right on . I have a horse like her . . . I always have to do in the "Hello I am here" connection before we get started. Even if a week goes by he is not signed up thanks V
Got to say this horse has me perplexed. If she were younger and new to saddle I could understand the sensitivity and bucking but for a horse this age with apparently years under saddle I just have to wonder if something is going on here???
😮 understand where this is coming from. Even though, I no longer have horses. Thank you.
I would appreciate if you Ryan could making a dedicated video about bending/yielding. From the ground, from the saddle. What is it exactly? what it means when horse is bent. Are they always relaxing, or are they sometimes in discomfort when doing it? Is bending the lava, because sometimes it seems you use it to create discomfort, but then you bend the horse when you want to make him relaxed and disengaged... Why do it? When to do it? and when not? how exactly to do it?... Maybe demistifying few myths about bending the horse... Cos I kinda feel confused about this.
If any horse goes to buck you, I learned on my Pappy's horse Farm what to watch for and what to listen for....
If they quickly drop their head And start rapidly tapping their front feet, IMMEDIATELY pull back quickly and QUICKLY and firmly on the reigns, just give it a quick firm jerk and pull their head back up into a normal position
If they ever go to rear up on you....
Take the Medie part of your fist behind your small finger, ball up your fist and hit them right between the ears, making them think they hit their head and they'll go back down if you didn't fall off
Remember, you can't get overly confident, and you must always have a handful of hair....
If you have a horse with not much hair or maybe no hair at all, you're going to need to either hang onto the saddle, or have something else in place that you can hang onto depending on what kind of saddle you use or what's available to you while riding
You always want to have your empty hand on something and teach your horse how to neck reign
Our horses and ponies were good at this, mine was especially good, So good you could lay the knot down and just move the knot slightly and it would have the same effect
Yes, we had loose reigns that I tied together so I wouldn't lose them
When I tied them together, I always made sure they weren't twisted and it was tied neatly and at the right length
The knot was started LOOSELY so it could be moved Until it was just right and then CAREFULLY TIGHTENED so no one would be able easily undo my knot, because THAT was MY NORMAL BRIDLE that was assigned to me and Snowball....
You're just a wealth of knowledge
I always wonder if they have had a full medical check, before they start to look at it as only behavior issues.
Pain can make a horse act out, usually it's a frustration thing.
This horse can just be incredibly tense, and therefore walk as if she's in pain, and by getting her relaxed, it will relieve the stiffness.
But it can also be that she is bracing for pain, either in her muscles, or intestine, or joint..
Check out subtle lameness.
I think the owner lied to you about a full vet check, that horse is in pain. In the video if you watch closely as you're working her you can see muscle cramps/contractions happening in her back and hind end.
LOOK AT HER TAIL MOVING
She definitely needs some top line work, take her over some ground poles and work with bending. But also absolutely check her over for pain as well