A big takeaway from this is realizing his sexual orientation changed after the assault. This defies the premise that we have an inherent sexual preference. In many instances preference can be born from trauma, past assaults.
that was what made the show so moving for me personally as an abuse survivor, because nobody wants to talk about how they didn’t make the best decisions because it’s shameful and it’s hard to not blame yourself but like. even though he wasn’t a “perfect” victim, he still didn’t deserve anything that happened to him and I am crying
yeh that last scene where he was at the bar with her messages in folders ''complimentary'' ''supportive'' ''not listened to yet'' wow, that was so honest.
@@drexyspivey it sometimes does exist😂 people who did literally nothing but to get abused but still do, people who try everything to fight back, all of these do exist.. perfect victims do exist
My fav character is actually Keeley's mom who is super kind to give Donny a place to live despite no longer being in a relationship with her daughter anymore.
It was truly courageous for Richard Gadd to reenact his own harrowing experiences of having been stalked, as well as his brutal sexual assault. I hope that there were plenty of emotional support counsellors on the set to help with any possible PTSD.
this show broke me. can't imagine the amount of courage he had to find to reenact certain scenes. i personally skipped those, because i really couldn't bring myself to watch them. the cast is excellent. jessica gunning, who played martha, oh my god she's brilliant, and nava mau, who played teri, she's fantastic!!! they're all brilliant and i hope they win all the awards.
It’s interesting how the most mentioned part of the story is the stalking but in my mind being raped by that guy and his father’s story about the Catholic Church are huge in comparison!
It's odd how Richard protected his stalkers identity and now she's exposed herself to piers Morgan and is screaming at the world that Richards a liar. Why would you expose yourself then cry foul? Now we know who stalked him.
She got exposed, she never came out herself. If it's remotely true then why wouldn't he want a dangerous stalker and male rapist outed. There were alot of things said about her that apparently isn't true.. like being a convicted stalker... now I'm pretty sure if I went on netflix accusing you of stalking me and coming out with crazy accusations would you remain quiet whilst I made millions... 😂 nah I didn't think so.
It's incredibly admirable how Richard Gadd bravely shared his personal experiences, even those that might make him vulnerable to prejudice. His courage in opening up not only helps him in his healing journey but also extends a supportive hand to others who may be going through similar struggles.
The way police treat stalking is almost as if they give stalkers guidelines to stay out of trouble... Do what you like as long as no threats are made. It needs to change.
The police in my area were worthless in my case, too. They said they couldn't get involved until there was illegal activity and to call them AFTER I was harmed, they couldn't help until after a crime happened.
No matter how much legislation exists a clever stalker can dance on the legal side of the line. There probably needs to be new laws. More importantly new technology that can stop the same IP address from abusing messaging and social media.
@@mjowsey the police / law enforcement cause as much trauma by the way they handle things as the actual stalker (9 months experience with a situation that reminds me a lot of this one, though my stalker threatened my physical safety and life, but no one would listen / do anything until he actually followed through on a threat!!!)
Excellent writing. Truthful storytelling. Great acting. Gives visibility to men as victims of assault, not just men, bisexual men. Turns your entire wold upside down while it takes you from seeing a person that seems not to be able to help themselves to a point in which you can see what most of society sometimes seems not being able to see. Men have feelings, bisexual men exist, sometimes people are just going through more than one terrible thing at a time to a point in which they can feel the whole world has let them down. Baby Reindeer makes history. From Mee too, to Hannah Gadsby to the future: which is learning that anyone can be a victim of such crimes and we must not ignore these situations no matter what the aggressor or the victim look like.
I was mesmerised & horrified at the same time. The groomer was despicable. The stalker was mentally ill & had such a skewed view of the relationship she created in her head with Donny. She took away his control over his life. He had nowhere to go to get away from her. We read about people being stalked but cannot imagine what it really is like. How dangerous it is & I hope the police can act quickly & listen to the victims.
Yes but in this case it’s so sad because the circumstances Donmy is in. I mean, he totaly lacks of self confidence because all his life he was a “looser” and then he finds somebody to tell him he is doing things well and he is atractive and stuff that nobody ever told him. Even if she is a stalker and fucked up his life he really needed that and thats the sad part. Like chapter 7 shows how alone this man is and made a grown man break down here. I dont usually ever cry over some TV show but I can identify with that aprovement need feeling. I think its probably the show that made me reflect the most after seeing it and never thought it would be this deep. One of my favourites ever from now on. (Im spanish btw, sorry for the grammar if its not correct)
@@adrilopez2k I live in Tenerife & take it from me, your English is fantastic! Unlike my Spanish …… Donny was kind & I felt so sorry for him but I also felt pity for Martha even though she was a frightening character. I just read the real stalker is now messaging the journalists who had written about the case. How true that is I don’t know. It’s all very dark & I felt really down after watching it.
@@steveath ohh thanks 😙, great place to live Tenerife. I am from the north, Galicia, A Coruña. And yes I saw that too, she is there somewhere, supposedly called Fiona Harvey you can check it up, she even looks like Martha (even tho Jessica Gunn does her a favor in beauty terms). I don’t really know what parts of the series is real or not but for me it was still absolutelly shocking. The monologue breakdown in ep 6 for example is on YT. That is another great thing, that is based on a real story and the main character is also the screenwriter and director and also happened to him. You have to give him a lot of credit
Yeah this show was scary. I was cyber stalked for years and that was so bad all on its own without the person actually popping up in person everywhere. All forms of stalking and abuse are of course awful in their own ways, but really having someone coming to your house and work all the time would completely take over your life
I’m thankful Gadd shared his sexual assault. I didn’t find out about my son’s assault until he had tried several times to end himself. He was too scared to see me hurt/upset and didn’t want any of his peers to make fun of him. By the time I found out (during one of his mental treatment sessions) that the information was disclosed. By that time he had turned to drugs to deal with the pain, sadly passing in 2018.
The father’s story was the part that had me near tears. I couldn’t understand why he fed off the creepy attention of Martha and that industry guy, but I liked how he explored the nuance of the blurriness around consent.
As a survivor who wrote about her own story, I want to hug Richard Gadd and share a laugh with him. It's hard-core adulting, but we give purpose to our pain through art. We're not defined by our trauma. We're the embodiment of having survived it.
An interesting comment (unless - and I personally know a victim of vile abuse - you are doing a Belle Gibson), but I think that there is a strong chance that meeting him would not be as pleasant as you imagine. If you did get chatting, and some of his story started to unravel, it might incense you. If you took something good from the drama-based-on-real-experience, that is to be welcomed. If writing your story was cathartic, I am pleased for you (sorry if that sounds hackneyed, or insincere).
@@JohnPreston888 I don't know the Belle story and don't owe anyone an explanation because I know my truth. Also, I appreciate your comment. Writing my memoir was very cathartic; sharing my story will no doubt, help others feel inspired to share their story. There is healing in sharing our survival. There is strength in knowing we are not alone.
@@ChristineKikiMac Thank you for following-up. I very much hope that there was no offence taken (absolutely NO suggestion from me that you need to provide more evidence, and I had to be as careful as possible not to add any negativity to your experience. If I failed in that respect, I apologise.)
@@jones2277 really but you get what I mean and so fid 92 other people. Ya know being a smarty pants and commenting on spelling mistakes eventhough you get the meaning says alot about you. Stay a smarty pants then
@@pmd1933. Just read your response to "pmd1933"... I think you are letting your sensitivity fog your brain. It's better to know how to write correctly because more people take notice and actually listen to your opinion. Spelling and punctuation IS important. It's sad that you reacted like that and sad that so many people are almost illiterate these days. You would rather remain ignorant it seems. Well that's your problem, I suppose...and yes, it IS a problem.
Her performance was so convincing that she scared me. I don't care easily either but parts of that were chilling, the it it's flipped on its head. Brilliant
Absolutely loved this series!! Gadd is a phenomenonal writer and actor and to have to act from his own experiences makes him even better because he had to show sides of himself that many people would feel embarrassed or traumatized by. Gunning and the rest of the cast are amazing too!! An amazing job done by everyone involved!!
The main thing that stood out to me in this show is the depiction of his loneliness. Many say why did he keep going back to the abuser? Why did he initiall like the attention from the stalker? Gadd's character comes across as incredibly lonely and that may be the reason why he initially held onto these relationships
@@cyndeewenzel6439 Yes, not to mention the powerful drugs he was taking at the time. They can really F up one's brain. (Ps. it's Stockholm. The term was coined after a bank robbery gone wrong where the perpetrators held several hostages for almost a week. None of the captives would testify against their captors and even raised money for their defence!) The reactions to trauma are often very illogical, mainly because it involves the right side of the brain (emotions etc.) whereas the left brain deals with logic.
I 100% agree. I have so many thoughts and reflections on this series and it all goes back to loneliness and the desire to be seen. Martha feels invisible when she goes in that bar, but when Gadd offers her tea she feels seen. When she starts coming back and complimenting Gadd he feels seen. When darrien shows Gadd attention he feels seen. So many people walk around day after day and feel like noone even notices them. And then when they get some attention it feels good. I think Gadd and Martha both displayed unhealthy behavior toward each other. And in a way, Gadd and Darian as well. If you watch the episodes when Gadd and darrian are at the club and just hanging out, it seems to me that Gadd may be experiencing attraction toward Darrien. In the bathroom, he gets right in his face and says I'm down for anything like he wants to kiss. And he seems disappointed when darrien exits the stall after they do the drugs. I don't think he wanted to be assaulted, but I think he may have been open to exploring the possibility of a consensual encounter. And even afterward, he goes back. It's all very complicated and sad.
It's easy to find time when you're obsessed with something. You put the obsession first... they are the stalkers first priority over anything else. On average, she sent him 113 messages a day.. that's piss easy when you have 1440 minutes each day to kill and you are unemployed with no friends etc... some of those messages were literally 4 words like " I've eaten a sandwich " . Easy to find time when you have no life... they become your life.
I was stalked at high-school.. similar situation of being kind to someone with mental health issues. It truly messed me up for a long time , and even now i always take in everything around me on high alert. 1 out of 12 woman are stalked in their lifetime and 1 out of 45 men, whether known or not known. Be careful out there. Stats are more so woman, so it is harder for a man to be taken seriously which is sad indeed. Anyone should be able to take protection orders regardless of gender, however. Sometimes those thing's fuel the stalker and makes them more dangerous like in my case
I have one more episode left to watch tonight and I can’t wait to watch it. I have to say that the series has been excellent. Gadd is very brave to choose to put his story out for all to see. There have been incredibly funny scenes (I love Gadd’s dad, he is freaking hilarious) and truly sad, heartbreaking scenes. I wish only great things for Gadd in the future, he is very talented and deserves success. 😊
Both the real and Netflix Martha are disturbed and tragic as well as dangerous, but where is the rapist? As a response to the show, stopping him seems more fruitful than ridiculing her
Baby Reindeer was brilliant, was very difficult and triggering to watch at certain moments but I will certainly say that it's one of the best series I've watched on Netflix and I've subscribed to Netflix for years now...👌👍🌟
I am flabbergasted at the amount of protection the real Darrien O'Connor has received. Supposedly people in the industry know who he is, and he just gets away with it without consequences? WTF?
It's pretty easy to find out who it is. Just because he didn't come out and do an interview like Fiona doesn't mean people don't know. I personally think Gadd chose an African song to have darrien dance to because the real life abuser is from South Africa. Just a subtle slap in the face. I don't think Gadd took many precautions to protect these people. And that's fine by me.
After watching this show, I am more stunnned and disturbed by the brutal sexual assault instead of the stalking. It's what I'm left thinking about the most.
I totally get that he doesn't want people to speculate who the real people are, but he was a bit naïve to think no one would want to find out. I mean, you say it's based on your true story, people are naturally nosy, of course they are going to try and figure it out! I'm sorry for anyone accused that actually never did such things, but it was inevitable it would happen.
I read the real life Martha is filing a lawsuit against Netflix and Richard G for depicting her as ugly , because she is extremely beautiful and she also denies things that happened. She also posted nonstop on fb and other social media. Nonstop. 😂
@@jurvusgee9508Fiona Harvey. Popcorned Planet has a video going through he complaint and a bunch of her Facebook posts, which seem just like depicted in the show.
The real “Martha” was recently interviewed on Piers Morgan. The comments tell you all you need to know. 😂 While trying to defend herself, she comes off JUST like the women who portrayed her.
@@Chee235 No because he didn't in real life want such a messed up person jailed. But she has form and then some as Fiona Harvey or Fiona Muir. and irl admitted to at lest 6 email addresses for starters.-------------AN MP yesterday told of his horror after a stalker falsely accused him and his wife of abusing their disabled son. Labour's Jimmy Wray and wife Laura were visited by social workers investigating claims they had beaten four-year-old Frankie. The couple received death threats after Fiona Harvey, 36, was dismissed from Laura's former law firm. Wray, 63, said: "It is upsetting enough for Laura and myself, but for Frankie to be dragged into this was hugely distressing." FULL STORY - PAGE 5 COPYRIGHT 2002 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday-
HG Tudor has done an outstanding job analyzing the Martha character on his channel in a series titled, Baby Reindeer. He's beginning another analysis on the Damien character. Well worth watching.
the most profound part of his story is the fact that he shows himself going BACK to the abusive environment, which i think in a lot of ways is VERY parallel to when women go through abuse and never seem to "want to leave". this was such a unique story. i never watch shows or movies and what have you, but this had me gripped from the very start. he has such a talent for writing his exact emotions that I was able to view martha with an endeared heart, but also to pull away from the parts when she was scary
Having been a victim of SA myself, I found it pretty triggering if I'm honest. Upon embarking on the series i didnt realise it was autobiographical, hut i could tell through directorship that the protagonist had experienced drug related SA before, and the way it depicted events was exactly the way it happens and feels to be a victim of drug related SA. In some ways I felt relieved that someone had been through almost exactly the same experience as me, but i also think there needed to be adequate trigger warnings for victims of SA at the beginning of the movie, in that I had no idea what kind of turn it was going to take and by the time i got that sinking feeling of the direction in which it had segwayed, i was already invested in the protagonist enough to want to know if he survived it and the effect it had on his life. Had it had adequate warning at the beginning of the series i might not have watched it, but I'm also in a very healed place about what happened and have processed a lot of the PTSD of the event. That being said, i think people need to feel a sense of discomfort in order to actually realise what SA survivors go through, as society is quite niahlistic about the conversation and it impossibly niahlistic about male survivors of SA, which is a conversation which very much needs to be had. There was also a sense of cathartism at the purging of everything that happened to the protagonist in a very public way, in that 99.999% of survivors will never be able to tell their story that way and have peopoe listen, and it inspired me to want to write my own memoirs about my experience, but also gave me a sense of doom that people might never listen to it. All in all it was incredibly brave of the writer to tell his story, and in the end if it helped someone then it was worth it, i hope it inspired more male survivors of SA to come forward
And then some-AN MP yesterday told of his horror after a stalker falsely accused him and his wife of abusing their disabled son. Labour's Jimmy Wray and wife Laura were visited by social workers investigating claims they had beaten four-year-old Frankie. The couple received death threats after Fiona Harvey, 36, was dismissed from Laura's former law firm. Wray, 63, said: "It is upsetting enough for Laura and myself, but for Frankie to be dragged into this was hugely distressing." FULL STORY - PAGE 5 COPYRIGHT 2002 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday
Gadd has admitted himself that he made a lot of mistakes, even lightly encouraging Martha a bit in the beginning. He should have shut it down immediately.
Beautiful show. Loved the way Gadd is taking a piss at himself. He doesn’t spare himself at all. Terri was my favourite character ❤❤❤ Beautiful actress and strong role.
Hold stalkers accountable. Stalking is a CRIME!!! Stalkers lie because they know full well what they are doing is WRONG!! They are hoping the public is both sympathetic and gullible.
I enjoyed this vid, I was 14 min in and was looking forward to a 10 count down. Maybe it happens later? I am very interested in what was NOT included in the Netflix series.
I binged watch this .not knowing the hole story to watch was intense superb acting from all.thecl insight to abuse .and the metal health that occurs being stalked .help me with recognising behaviours after the fact I thank him for being venerable again it take alot of courage. I found out after the fact this was truth for him ❤
Richard Gadd should pay for my therapy sessions. But no, he had been through a lot and even had to recreate his situation back then. I just want to give him a hug and tell him that everything is gonna be okay; it’s not his fault 🫂 *Good Will Hunting hugging style* to be specific
Glad to see that "Dorian" was played by "PC" (Sean Foley); he's a great actor and I always wondered where he dissapeared to after his great role in "Ideal" (probably back to the stage, I imagined). Looking forward to seeing this mini-series someday, if I can get Flexnits.
The lady concerned has give her version of the story in the Scottish paper, The Daily Record, claiming she has never been in jail, police never came to her house, she has never been taken to a police office, never charged with any crime. Claims the film is full of lies.
It's true, she wasn't in jail. I don't think she was arrested even Maybe got a warning and that stopped her or she simply moved onto someone else. He changed the end.
He offers her a cup of tea because she couldn't afford it. Straight afterwards she prattles about being a successful lawyer. At that moment, why didn't he have one or two thoughts. 1, She is a bloody liar is as poor as dirt or 2, She is a grifter who finds ways to get things for free ... either way, i'd not want anything to do with Martha
The series avoided a lot of emotions including anger. I've been stalked once. Thank goodness not too long, but it was a nightmare. The police and CCTV cameras helped.
👀👀👀🤯🤯🤯Hold stalkers accountable. Stalking is a CRIME!!! Stalkers lie because they know full well what they are doing is WRONG!! They are hoping the public is both sympathetic and gullible.😳😳😳😤😤😤
Only problem I have with this is why I didn’t take a man to be stocked for them to show how ridiculous the police are about it. It’s almost like mansplaning this to.
This is what stalking does, I became obsessed about the whys, I took it from understanding the behaviours, it led me to the dark triad and psychology and I unravelled the mystery eventually. I'd been living in a shared delusion with a pathological narcissist. They get into your head and I ended up arrested for being stalked because I never noticed it and it was done through third parties, family, authorities. Eventually I ended up scared from police like the stalker who lied and abused me should have. Police were useless. Never underestimate how they get inside your head and life, even when not present.
It did not take me long to find out. Who “Martha” was. Her FB is unhinged…..sad!!!! I have not found out who his “groomer” is. I found the whole story sad!!
Same…this story is strange he was victimized back to back. But then the gf showed up at his show like a stalker also. Then he slept with both of them after. So weird
Definitely BASED on real life but since Fiona Muir Harvey has come forward, it’s obvious she never went to jail, she IS a lawyer, and she was never previously arrested for stalking. It’s okay to exaggerate for drama but he now has to take responsibility for people believing that the real person did everything that was portrayed and is now being harassed and abused. Also it bothers me that he never went after the rapist which can be argued is a far worse crime than anything she ever did.
"A restraining order was taken out". Based on what? Nothing? An unproven claim in his legal filing? Or perhaps a claim in an interview? Next question - was she investigated? Next question, did he report her to the police? And I'm not even suggesting she didn't stalk him.
the show was great, and any show with actors in it is obviously not supposed to be taken as a documentary. Anyone saying that because Netflix said this is a true story , opened them up to a lawsuit has never seen Fargo
Life is messy, especially due to emotional harm. Martha suffered from neglect as an infant, causing serious mental illness. Her illness is transferred to Donny, who was already damaged by rape and ongoing sexual abuse. More than anything, we see that mental illness requires more resources devoted to prevention and treatment. I'm tired of corporate greed. Let's start using resources to help those who need it.
Why would Gadd write into the show that Martha was charged, convicted and imprisoned? And why would Netflix say it was a true story without checking out all the details? And not very good at disguising Martha’s real life identity.
People commenting (not necessarily on this video) on how idiotic Richard was for doing some things, such as going back to his abuser, need to watch the show again and actually pay attention to what he says about self-hatred. It’s like they willingly missed the point and avoided accepting the effect trauma can have on a person.
Some stories say that it was 340 voicemails and others say that it was 340 hours of voicemails. After seeing martha, I would say the 340 hours is more like it.
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When Donnie decided to sleep with Martha to regain his libido
@@mwpierrehe didn’t actually sleep with her , he was fantasising about her then he slept with Tery
Going to the predator s house after he knew he was being sexually assaulted there
@@Victoria12339 many victims do this, but great point.
A big takeaway from this is realizing his sexual orientation changed after the assault. This defies the premise that we have an inherent sexual preference. In many instances preference can be born from trauma, past assaults.
I also liked the fact that Gadd did not paint himself in the best light. He made sure that his flaws were also on display and that’s brilliant for me.
I agree
that was what made the show so moving for me personally as an abuse survivor, because nobody wants to talk about how they didn’t make the best decisions because it’s shameful and it’s hard to not blame yourself but like. even though he wasn’t a “perfect” victim, he still didn’t deserve anything that happened to him and I am crying
yeh that last scene where he was at the bar with her messages in folders ''complimentary'' ''supportive'' ''not listened to yet'' wow, that was so honest.
Yes! He’s not the “perfect victim” since that doesn’t exist! It was so refreshing.
@@drexyspivey it sometimes does exist😂 people who did literally nothing but to get abused but still do, people who try everything to fight back, all of these do exist.. perfect victims do exist
My fav character is actually Keeley's mom who is super kind to give Donny a place to live despite no longer being in a relationship with her daughter anymore.
She made me buy a big yellow snow jacket.
She is a kind woman but the reason why she let him stay is deeper
@@kk316 which is?
@@tamekap2220 she lost a son and needed a son to love you know? fill that void that her son left when he died
She’s so great! Kindness beyond understanding - but still able to set boundaries when he was bringing danger to her doorstep.
Actress who played Martha was absolutely brilliant, totally unhinged, and frightening to think of 👏 👏 👏
Absolutely. For me, she was the star. Great character acting.
Like a Scottish Dawn French. Lovely looking woman.
She sure did an awesome job
Her face reminds me of Rose Byrne
She's fantastic in the outlaws too, worth a watch!
Baby Reindeer opened the door that men can be victims of both sexual assault & stalking by someone of the opposite sex.
But all the intelligent people know this. It’s only the slowies that “didn’t know” or refuse to know
@@jewsaregenocidalhores But like with Domestic Abuse most men are reluctant to come forward.
He was sexual assaulted then he went back for more because he was getting free drugs ffs.
@@PaulBaksy That's what drug addition does sadly. Pimps get vulnerable women onto hard drugs.
@@PaulBaksy Drug addicts do. That's how pimps keep their workers.
It was truly courageous for Richard Gadd to reenact his own harrowing experiences of having been stalked, as well as his brutal sexual assault. I hope that there were plenty of emotional support counsellors on the set to help with any possible PTSD.
Apparently an organization that helps people deal with trauma has worked with him
The of ability to understand that it's 'alot more '. "Way more" is bad English for a successful writer!
courageous, yes. but let’s all be real here. he did it for money. Netflix reached out to him and grabbed it with no hesitation
@@rydellgarcia So ? He's laying his experience on the line as raw as it was. Good for him if he has a big pay day.
No it wasn’t. It shows there is something up with this dude. Something off about him
this show broke me. can't imagine the amount of courage he had to find to reenact certain scenes. i personally skipped those, because i really couldn't bring myself to watch them. the cast is excellent. jessica gunning, who played martha, oh my god she's brilliant, and nava mau, who played teri, she's fantastic!!! they're all brilliant and i hope they win all the awards.
Right? Maybe she was a victim or something?
@Andy-di1zd consider yourself lucky to not have had a physical reaction to the sex assault scenes
@andy-di1zd really?! No need for this comment.
@@cayk9444how dare you
I stopped watching it. Then Martha hits her own press junket and I had to finish it. She’s nuts and she not going anywhere
It’s interesting how the most mentioned part of the story is the stalking but in my mind being raped by that guy and his father’s story about the Catholic Church are huge in comparison!
and almost nobody is talking abut that. Everyone is making jokes about Fiona. At least in my sad little bubble:(
The father scene wrecked me and helped to explain so much about all the characters. And showed so much bravery on both the son and the father’s part.
there was no "story" about the catholic church, the father just mentioned he grew up in it, which unfortunately holds its own connotations
I thought that too
@@blob7282 A story wasn't needed. It's no secret what has gone on behind the "perverbal altar" (spelling intended).
Richard Gadd took tragic experiences and transformed them into art that millions can appreciate. He was vulnerable and strong in the very best way.
It's odd how Richard protected his stalkers identity and now she's exposed herself to piers Morgan and is screaming at the world that Richards a liar. Why would you expose yourself then cry foul? Now we know who stalked him.
Narcissistic behaviour.
She got exposed, she never came out herself. If it's remotely true then why wouldn't he want a dangerous stalker and male rapist outed.
There were alot of things said about her that apparently isn't true.. like being a convicted stalker... now I'm pretty sure if I went on netflix accusing you of stalking me and coming out with crazy accusations would you remain quiet whilst I made millions... 😂 nah I didn't think so.
@@stargazer2019Except they aren't crazy accusations and she exposed herself 😂😂
My biggest problem is how he vilified Martha but willingly went back to the alleged rapist at the end. I just don't get that
He didn't protect Martha's identity hence the witch hunt of a mentally ill person !! Yet the r. @pist is at large !!
It's incredibly admirable how Richard Gadd bravely shared his personal experiences, even those that might make him vulnerable to prejudice. His courage in opening up not only helps him in his healing journey but also extends a supportive hand to others who may be going through similar struggles.
The actress who played Martha was absolutely fantastic. She deserves all the awards.
This show is the best/worst thing to happen to reindeers since Rudolph
Ahahaha love that 😂
😂
Rudolph = Red nose.
Stalker woman = Brown nose.
The way police treat stalking is almost as if they give stalkers guidelines to stay out of trouble... Do what you like as long as no threats are made. It needs to change.
The police in my area were worthless in my case, too. They said they couldn't get involved until there was illegal activity and to call them AFTER I was harmed, they couldn't help until after a crime happened.
No matter how much legislation exists a clever stalker can dance on the legal side of the line. There probably needs to be new laws. More importantly new technology that can stop the same IP address from abusing messaging and social media.
I think they take male victims even less seriously.
@@Rugmunchersauce3 I think you, possibly, don't know what you're talking about
@@mjowsey the police / law enforcement cause as much trauma by the way they handle things as the actual stalker (9 months experience with a situation that reminds me a lot of this one, though my stalker threatened my physical safety and life, but no one would listen / do anything until he actually followed through on a threat!!!)
Excellent writing. Truthful storytelling. Great acting. Gives visibility to men as victims of assault, not just men, bisexual men. Turns your entire wold upside down while it takes you from seeing a person that seems not to be able to help themselves to a point in which you can see what most of society sometimes seems not being able to see. Men have feelings, bisexual men exist, sometimes people are just going through more than one terrible thing at a time to a point in which they can feel the whole world has let them down. Baby Reindeer makes history. From Mee too, to Hannah Gadsby to the future: which is learning that anyone can be a victim of such crimes and we must not ignore these situations no matter what the aggressor or the victim look like.
I was mesmerised & horrified at the same time. The groomer was despicable. The stalker was mentally ill & had such a skewed view of the relationship she created in her head with Donny. She took away his control over his life. He had nowhere to go to get away from her. We read about people being stalked but cannot imagine what it really is like. How dangerous it is & I hope the police can act quickly & listen to the victims.
Yes but in this case it’s so sad because the circumstances Donmy is in. I mean, he totaly lacks of self confidence because all his life he was a “looser” and then he finds somebody to tell him he is doing things well and he is atractive and stuff that nobody ever told him. Even if she is a stalker and fucked up his life he really needed that and thats the sad part. Like chapter 7 shows how alone this man is and made a grown man break down here. I dont usually ever cry over some TV show but I can identify with that aprovement need feeling. I think its probably the show that made me reflect the most after seeing it and never thought it would be this deep. One of my favourites ever from now on. (Im spanish btw, sorry for the grammar if its not correct)
@@adrilopez2k I live in Tenerife & take it from me, your English is fantastic! Unlike my Spanish ……
Donny was kind & I felt so sorry for him but I also felt pity for Martha even though she was a frightening character. I just read the real stalker is now messaging the journalists who had written about the case. How true that is I don’t know. It’s all very dark & I felt really down after watching it.
@@steveath ohh thanks 😙, great place to live Tenerife. I am from the north, Galicia, A Coruña. And yes I saw that too, she is there somewhere, supposedly called Fiona Harvey you can check it up, she even looks like Martha (even tho Jessica Gunn does her a favor in beauty terms). I don’t really know what parts of the series is real or not but for me it was still absolutelly shocking. The monologue breakdown in ep 6 for example is on YT. That is another great thing, that is based on a real story and the main character is also the screenwriter and director and also happened to him. You have to give him a lot of credit
Yeah this show was scary. I was cyber stalked for years and that was so bad all on its own without the person actually popping up in person everywhere. All forms of stalking and abuse are of course awful in their own ways, but really having someone coming to your house and work all the time would completely take over your life
Grooming is rampant in show biz. Just look at Nickelodeon and Disney.
Martha’s acting was brilliant….
I thoguht she dindt do justice to teh real person at all!
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I’m thankful Gadd shared his sexual assault. I didn’t find out about my son’s assault until he had tried several times to end himself. He was too scared to see me hurt/upset and didn’t want any of his peers to make fun of him. By the time I found out (during one of his mental treatment sessions) that the information was disclosed. By that time he had turned to drugs to deal with the pain, sadly passing in 2018.
I'm so sorry for your loss. 🙏
I'm so very sorry. That's truly tragic. I'm so sorry. ❤
I’m sorry ❤
I send my condolences, thank you for sharing this with us. Bless you x
So sorry
The father’s story was the part that had me near tears. I couldn’t understand why he fed off the creepy attention of Martha and that industry guy, but I liked how he explored the nuance of the blurriness around consent.
As a survivor who wrote about her own story, I want to hug Richard Gadd and share a laugh with him. It's hard-core adulting, but we give purpose to our pain through art. We're not defined by our trauma. We're the embodiment of having survived it.
An interesting comment (unless - and I personally know a victim of vile abuse - you are doing a Belle Gibson), but I think that there is a strong chance that meeting him would not be as pleasant as you imagine.
If you did get chatting, and some of his story started to unravel, it might incense you.
If you took something good from the drama-based-on-real-experience, that is to be welcomed.
If writing your story was cathartic, I am pleased for you (sorry if that sounds hackneyed, or insincere).
@@JohnPreston888 I don't know the Belle story and don't owe anyone an explanation because I know my truth. Also, I appreciate your comment. Writing my memoir was very cathartic; sharing my story will no doubt, help others feel inspired to share their story. There is healing in sharing our survival. There is strength in knowing we are not alone.
@@ChristineKikiMac Thank you for following-up. I very much hope that there was no offence taken (absolutely NO suggestion from me that you need to provide more evidence, and I had to be as careful as possible not to add any negativity to your experience. If I failed in that respect, I apologise.)
love this :)
@@JohnPreston888 None at all. Much love and aloha to you.
I was destressed but could not stop watching.
*distressed. De-stressed is like the opposite of what you mean.
@@jones2277 really but you get what I mean and so fid 92 other people. Ya know being a smarty pants and commenting on spelling mistakes eventhough you get the meaning says alot about you. Stay a smarty pants then
@@pmd1933 you are welcome, my friend. Just lending a helping hand.
DIStressed. Destressed is quite the opposite of what I think you want to say.
@@pmd1933. Just read your response to "pmd1933"... I think you are letting your sensitivity fog your brain. It's better to know how to write correctly because more people take notice and actually listen to your opinion. Spelling and punctuation IS important. It's sad that you reacted like that and sad that so many people are almost illiterate these days. You would rather remain ignorant it seems. Well that's your problem, I suppose...and yes, it IS a problem.
I just hope the person that assaulted him isn’t still assaulting people.
Her performance was so convincing that she scared me. I don't care easily either but parts of that were chilling, the it it's flipped on its head. Brilliant
Absolutely loved this series!! Gadd is a phenomenonal writer and actor and to have to act from his own experiences makes him even better because he had to show sides of himself that many people would feel embarrassed or traumatized by. Gunning and the rest of the cast are amazing too!! An amazing job done by everyone involved!!
The main thing that stood out to me in this show is the depiction of his loneliness. Many say why did he keep going back to the abuser? Why did he initiall like the attention from the stalker? Gadd's character comes across as incredibly lonely and that may be the reason why he initially held onto these relationships
Stockhold Syndrome, Codependency, becoming addicted to the pattern of abuse...there's a lot of coping mechanisms for a victim.
@@cyndeewenzel6439 Yes, not to mention the powerful drugs he was taking at the time. They can really F up one's brain. (Ps. it's Stockholm. The term was coined after a bank robbery gone wrong where the perpetrators held several hostages for almost a week. None of the captives would testify against their captors and even raised money for their defence!)
The reactions to trauma are often very illogical, mainly because it involves the right side of the brain (emotions etc.) whereas the left brain deals with logic.
I 100% agree. I have so many thoughts and reflections on this series and it all goes back to loneliness and the desire to be seen. Martha feels invisible when she goes in that bar, but when Gadd offers her tea she feels seen. When she starts coming back and complimenting Gadd he feels seen. When darrien shows Gadd attention he feels seen. So many people walk around day after day and feel like noone even notices them. And then when they get some attention it feels good. I think Gadd and Martha both displayed unhealthy behavior toward each other. And in a way, Gadd and Darian as well. If you watch the episodes when Gadd and darrian are at the club and just hanging out, it seems to me that Gadd may be experiencing attraction toward Darrien. In the bathroom, he gets right in his face and says I'm down for anything like he wants to kiss. And he seems disappointed when darrien exits the stall after they do the drugs. I don't think he wanted to be assaulted, but I think he may have been open to exploring the possibility of a consensual encounter. And even afterward, he goes back. It's all very complicated and sad.
@@jy7841 Great observation. Interesting. 👍
Where do these stalkers even find the time?!
It's easy to find time when you're obsessed with something. You put the obsession first... they are the stalkers first priority over anything else. On average, she sent him 113 messages a day.. that's piss easy when you have 1440 minutes each day to kill and you are unemployed with no friends etc... some of those messages were literally 4 words like " I've eaten a sandwich " . Easy to find time when you have no life... they become your life.
That's all they have !!:😑
They have plenty of time usually drifting along with not much else to do. I was stalked for a while, creepy, but it's over.
I was stalked at high-school.. similar situation of being kind to someone with mental health issues. It truly messed me up for a long time , and even now i always take in everything around me on high alert. 1 out of 12 woman are stalked in their lifetime and 1 out of 45 men, whether known or not known. Be careful out there. Stats are more so woman, so it is harder for a man to be taken seriously which is sad indeed. Anyone should be able to take protection orders regardless of gender, however. Sometimes those thing's fuel the stalker and makes them more dangerous like in my case
I have one more episode left to watch tonight and I can’t wait to watch it. I have to say that the series has been excellent. Gadd is very brave to choose to put his story out for all to see. There have been incredibly funny scenes (I love Gadd’s dad, he is freaking hilarious) and truly sad, heartbreaking scenes. I wish only great things for Gadd in the future, he is very talented and deserves success. 😊
Wow…so he wrote it and STARRED in it! SENSATIONAL! ❤😮
Both the real and Netflix Martha are disturbed and tragic as well as dangerous, but where is the rapist? As a response to the show, stopping him seems more fruitful than ridiculing her
The show was so good what an amazing man to come out and speak about breaking the cycle of Silence
She gives some amazing Kathy Bates vibes in this 😱
Or the stalker harpie in the Clint Eastwood film Play Misty for me.
Misery all over again❤
Nailed it!
Baby Reindeer is a stunning production.
Baby Reindeer was brilliant, was very difficult and triggering to watch at certain moments but I will certainly say that it's one of the best series I've watched on Netflix and I've subscribed to Netflix for years now...👌👍🌟
I am flabbergasted at the amount of protection the real Darrien O'Connor has received. Supposedly people in the industry know who he is, and he just gets away with it without consequences? WTF?
Seriously... that's the person who needs to be found out. Far more sinister than "Martha" in my opinion.
Agree absolutely
It's pretty easy to find out who it is. Just because he didn't come out and do an interview like Fiona doesn't mean people don't know. I personally think Gadd chose an African song to have darrien dance to because the real life abuser is from South Africa. Just a subtle slap in the face. I don't think Gadd took many precautions to protect these people. And that's fine by me.
@@jy7841 who do you think it is?
@@jy7841 you said that the person is easy to find. Then… Who is it?
After watching this show, I am more stunnned and disturbed by the brutal sexual assault instead of the stalking. It's what I'm left thinking about the most.
I totally get that he doesn't want people to speculate who the real people are, but he was a bit naïve to think no one would want to find out. I mean, you say it's based on your true story, people are naturally nosy, of course they are going to try and figure it out! I'm sorry for anyone accused that actually never did such things, but it was inevitable it would happen.
I read the real life Martha is filing a lawsuit against Netflix and Richard G for depicting her as ugly , because she is extremely beautiful and she also denies things that happened. She also posted nonstop on fb and other social media. Nonstop. 😂
She also started stalking the daily mail reporter who interviewed her
@@helloworld14895 who was it?
@@jurvusgee9508Fiona Harvey. Popcorned Planet has a video going through he complaint and a bunch of her Facebook posts, which seem just like depicted in the show.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
so sweet you find severe mental illness hilarious
The real “Martha” was recently interviewed on Piers Morgan.
The comments tell you all you need to know. 😂
While trying to defend herself, she comes off JUST like the women who portrayed her.
She was never convicted of stalking. The show lied.
@@Chee235 Okay Martha/Fiona we get it 😂
@@Chee235it’s a tv series not a docu-series it can be based on real events with sensationalised depictions for entertainment purposes.
@@Chee235 No because he didn't in real life want such a messed up person jailed. But she has form and then some as Fiona Harvey or Fiona Muir. and irl admitted to at lest 6 email addresses for starters.-------------AN MP yesterday told of his horror after a stalker falsely accused him and his wife of abusing their disabled son.
Labour's Jimmy Wray and wife Laura were visited by social workers investigating claims they had beaten four-year-old Frankie.
The couple received death threats after Fiona Harvey, 36, was dismissed from Laura's former law firm.
Wray, 63, said: "It is upsetting enough for Laura and myself, but for Frankie to be dragged into this was hugely distressing."
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COPYRIGHT 2002 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday-
Women?? It was only one woman playing her.......
HG Tudor has done an outstanding job analyzing the Martha character on his channel in a series titled, Baby Reindeer. He's beginning another analysis on the Damien character. Well worth watching.
the most profound part of his story is the fact that he shows himself going BACK to the abusive environment, which i think in a lot of ways is VERY parallel to when women go through abuse and never seem to "want to leave". this was such a unique story. i never watch shows or movies and what have you, but this had me gripped from the very start.
he has such a talent for writing his exact emotions that I was able to view martha with an endeared heart, but also to pull away from the parts when she was scary
Crazy good show. Lots of personal things hit home for me. This topic SA abuse needs to be talked about more.
Having been a victim of SA myself, I found it pretty triggering if I'm honest. Upon embarking on the series i didnt realise it was autobiographical, hut i could tell through directorship that the protagonist had experienced drug related SA before, and the way it depicted events was exactly the way it happens and feels to be a victim of drug related SA. In some ways I felt relieved that someone had been through almost exactly the same experience as me, but i also think there needed to be adequate trigger warnings for victims of SA at the beginning of the movie, in that I had no idea what kind of turn it was going to take and by the time i got that sinking feeling of the direction in which it had segwayed, i was already invested in the protagonist enough to want to know if he survived it and the effect it had on his life. Had it had adequate warning at the beginning of the series i might not have watched it, but I'm also in a very healed place about what happened and have processed a lot of the PTSD of the event. That being said, i think people need to feel a sense of discomfort in order to actually realise what SA survivors go through, as society is quite niahlistic about the conversation and it impossibly niahlistic about male survivors of SA, which is a conversation which very much needs to be had. There was also a sense of cathartism at the purging of everything that happened to the protagonist in a very public way, in that 99.999% of survivors will never be able to tell their story that way and have peopoe listen, and it inspired me to want to write my own memoirs about my experience, but also gave me a sense of doom that people might never listen to it. All in all it was incredibly brave of the writer to tell his story, and in the end if it helped someone then it was worth it, i hope it inspired more male survivors of SA to come forward
The series was pretty good. The worst part was the torture of watching his bad onstage comedy gigs.
i’ve been saying “baby reindeerrrr” •martha voice• for a week solid & i cant fckn stop. 😂
lol me too
The lengths victims have to go through to protect themselves from a stalker is insane. Waiting until someone becomes dangerous to you…
This was SUCH a good show. I binged the entirely last night, and I’m in awe. One of the best shows I’ve ever seen. ❤
And then some-AN MP yesterday told of his horror after a stalker falsely accused him and his wife of abusing their disabled son.
Labour's Jimmy Wray and wife Laura were visited by social workers investigating claims they had beaten four-year-old Frankie.
The couple received death threats after Fiona Harvey, 36, was dismissed from Laura's former law firm.
Wray, 63, said: "It is upsetting enough for Laura and myself, but for Frankie to be dragged into this was hugely distressing."
FULL STORY - PAGE 5
COPYRIGHT 2002 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday
His acting was pretty impressive tbh
I really enjoyed this program and recommend watching it... it was thought-provoking and I could only watch one episode at a time
Gadd has admitted himself that he made a lot of mistakes, even lightly encouraging Martha a bit in the beginning. He should have shut it down immediately.
Beautiful show. Loved the way Gadd is taking a piss at himself. He doesn’t spare himself at all. Terri was my favourite character ❤❤❤ Beautiful actress and strong role.
Hold stalkers accountable. Stalking is a CRIME!!! Stalkers lie because they know full well what they are doing is WRONG!! They are hoping the public is both sympathetic and gullible.
Brilliant writing, excellent performances
I enjoyed this vid, I was 14 min in and was looking forward to a 10 count down. Maybe it happens later? I am very interested in what was NOT included in the Netflix series.
I binged watch this .not knowing the hole story to watch was intense superb acting from all.thecl insight to abuse .and the metal health that occurs being stalked .help me with recognising behaviours after the fact I thank him for being venerable again it take alot of courage. I found out after the fact this was truth for him ❤
Richard is an absolute inspiration and I wish I was as brave ❤
Honestly me too.
He’s a complete ass hole imo . He exploited every bit of this
“Oliver” award-winning - really, Mr Narrator? 😂
Richard Gadd should pay for my therapy sessions. But no, he had been through a lot and even had to recreate his situation back then. I just want to give him a hug and tell him that everything is gonna be okay; it’s not his fault 🫂 *Good Will Hunting hugging style* to be specific
Didn’t MsMojo just put out this exact video the other day? Did Ashley just re-record the narration?
yup. this is just a content farm at this point.
Glad to see that "Dorian" was played by "PC" (Sean Foley); he's a great actor and I always wondered where he dissapeared to after his great role in "Ideal" (probably back to the stage, I imagined).
Looking forward to seeing this mini-series someday, if I can get Flexnits.
I binged BR today. FANTASTIC.
6:25: Oliver award?
Haha, I missed that. What do you expect from WatchMojo?
I love this for victims of stalking…men especially, I’m so glad to hear how cathartic this show has been for so many men who have suffered in silence.
Parts of this show was truly disturbing. I had to turn away... the s abuse and drug taking especially.
This show I just finished watching . I laughed out loud cried and jumped in shock at the direction it took 😮 easily one of the top 5 best shows ever 🎉
Unfortunately, abuse seems to always win. I'm glad he was able to get to a point where he doesn't feel trapped like that, anymore.
The lady concerned has give her version of the story in the Scottish paper, The Daily Record, claiming she has never been in jail, police never came to her house, she has never been taken to a police office, never charged with any crime. Claims the film is full of lies.
Perhaps she’s not the real Martha.
Laura Wray another of her alleged victims might dispute that.
Well Richard Said that a Lot of things was changed, mainly because It wouldn't be so interesting to see thousands of emails
Her social media is exactly like Martha. There were not that many changes made.
It's true, she wasn't in jail. I don't think she was arrested even
Maybe got a warning and that stopped her or she simply moved onto someone else. He changed the end.
Loved the show!!!
All of this could have been avoided had Netflix added a couple of simple words at the start….”based on..”
Her name is Fiona Harvey. She is even going on Piers Morgan to talk all about it.
He offers her a cup of tea because she couldn't afford it. Straight afterwards she prattles about being a successful lawyer. At that moment, why didn't he have one or two thoughts. 1, She is a bloody liar is as poor as dirt or 2, She is a grifter who finds ways to get things for free ... either way, i'd not want anything to do with Martha
The 'big screen' acting roles came after the Edinburgh show.
No, none of these were important for the show, truthful or not its absolutely perfect
Brilliant show!!!
The series avoided a lot of emotions including anger. I've been stalked once. Thank goodness not too long, but it was a nightmare. The police and CCTV cameras helped.
Gosh at least people on here are acknowledging the true point of all this, Gadd presents the real experience of being abused and traumatised.
👀👀👀🤯🤯🤯Hold stalkers accountable. Stalking is a CRIME!!! Stalkers lie because they know full well what they are doing is WRONG!! They are hoping the public is both sympathetic and gullible.😳😳😳😤😤😤
Only problem I have with this is why I didn’t take a man to be stocked for them to show how ridiculous the police are about it. It’s almost like mansplaning this to.
Both are unhinged
This is what stalking does, I became obsessed about the whys, I took it from understanding the behaviours, it led me to the dark triad and psychology and I unravelled the mystery eventually. I'd been living in a shared delusion with a pathological narcissist. They get into your head and I ended up arrested for being stalked because I never noticed it and it was done through third parties, family, authorities. Eventually I ended up scared from police like the stalker who lied and abused me should have. Police were useless. Never underestimate how they get inside your head and life, even when not present.
I think the publicity of "we are survivors" is very needed. I hope Justin beiber watched baby reindeer
It did not take me long to find out. Who “Martha” was. Her FB is unhinged…..sad!!!! I have not found out who his “groomer” is. I found the whole story sad!!
Who do you think the groomer is? Is there evidence beyond just looks?
Same…this story is strange he was victimized back to back. But then the gf showed up at his show like a stalker also. Then he slept with both of them after. So weird
it was LITERALLY REPEATED IN THE VIDEO that you should stop with this shitty behaviour! just STOP! when are you people gonna learn?!
@@Smartbeautifulawesomehe did not sleep with the stalker. Rewatch it. He imagined it.
@@Smartbeautifulawesome Abusse victims do inexplicable things.
Definitely BASED on real life but since Fiona Muir Harvey has come forward, it’s obvious she never went to jail, she IS a lawyer, and she was never previously arrested for stalking. It’s okay to exaggerate for drama but he now has to take responsibility for people believing that the real person did everything that was portrayed and is now being harassed and abused. Also it bothers me that he never went after the rapist which can be argued is a far worse crime than anything she ever did.
"A restraining order was taken out". Based on what? Nothing? An unproven claim in his legal filing? Or perhaps a claim in an interview? Next question - was she investigated? Next question, did he report her to the police? And I'm not even suggesting she didn't stalk him.
Fiona just wants her piece of the profits, in my opinion. She doesn't seem phased by the truth.
This show is amazing
Amazing I too am still making sense of it
Definitely a compulsive-addictive show! Loved it. But I can be Dark…
Be careful to those who are defending Fiona, she might take it as you are in love with her
That haircut. 😂
Right right. In his televised interview, he looks entirely different. Quite handsome with softer features.
wasn't it a popular haircut at the time? among the indie crowd
the show was great, and any show with actors in it is obviously not supposed to be taken as a documentary. Anyone saying that because Netflix said this is a true story , opened them up to a lawsuit has never seen Fargo
This series left me with quite a sick feeling
Life is messy, especially due to emotional harm. Martha suffered from neglect as an infant, causing serious mental illness. Her illness is transferred to Donny, who was already damaged by rape and ongoing sexual abuse. More than anything, we see that mental illness requires more resources devoted to prevention and treatment. I'm tired of corporate greed. Let's start using resources to help those who need it.
The show somehow reminded me of the movie uncut gems… not that the plot is anywhere similar but the uneasiness… very intense
Fiona Harvey is the real life Martha.
Or Fiona Muir another of her names.
Why would Gadd write into the show that Martha was charged, convicted and imprisoned? And why would Netflix say it was a true story without checking out all the details? And not very good at disguising Martha’s real life identity.
People commenting (not necessarily on this video) on how idiotic Richard was for doing some things, such as going back to his abuser, need to watch the show again and actually pay attention to what he says about self-hatred. It’s like they willingly missed the point and avoided accepting the effect trauma can have on a person.
Side note but Gadd is so handsome!
Some stories say that it was 340 voicemails and others say that it was 340 hours of voicemails. After seeing martha, I would say the 340 hours is more like it.