The real reason why jingliu is that high because she has similar damage output to IL but extremely versatile at the same time due to she is SP neutral. Making her can blend well in many teams, hypercarry, dual dps or mono ice. You can still use her with fu xuan. Although she is ice but she has enough damage to brute force like IL but a lot better due that you don't have to worry the units you should use with her
She literally is skill point positive,does a little bit more dmg than Dan Heng IL.Only downside is that she drains your team hp and u need to be in her Bankai state to do that top tier dmg which is circumvented by Fu xuan who makes your team unkillable and she gives 12 percent cr for free and bronya makes you get bankai form easier and buffs CD even more which is what you build on her
shes skill point positive tho? but not as bad as dhil, you will never see jl recovering a sp in a optimal run, since her enhanced skill uses 0 sps but doesnt recover any
I totally agree. She's the only unit I knew / have that can brute force her damage without ice weakness. Also the two/three times atk with skill points positive is great.
People out here throwing statements about skill point positive/neutral/negative not even knowing what it means... She is SP negative. She uses 2 SP to enter her buffed state and then uses 0 SP for about 2-3 turns, so overall 0.5 SP negative per 4(5-1, because she gets a turn) turn rotation. Blade is also SP negative, but a bit less. He is 0.25 SP negative, since he uses his skill once every 4 turns and doesn't generate any in return.
Pure facts in here, concerning DHIL Im pretty sure you encountered a bug bc I used my friends DHIL and he cannot double enhance auto, but I saw some people do that on video, probably using hacks
Hes probably Eula main with 20% crit rate and complaing about getting to much crit rate cuz "u can just reset". Also bladie doing more dmg than Jingliu is just hilarious. Hardly disagree with your statement.
Getting triggered by facts nice nice great first vid ill be leaving now I'm to busy getting one million+ damage for free with my E0 Jingliu... ya mid character with 0 whole skill points needed for that million damage...
Blade does not do more dmg than jingliu what 💀.He definitely has self sustain but that’s just incorrect.Blade has good dmg but not jingliu top tier dmg
blade is pretty good ngl but i think dan heng and jingliu are on a dps threshold of their own personally he is right up there tho still like low S tier or high A tier but jingliu and dan heng are comfortablly at the top of S tier with jing being first then dan heng right behind.@@saturna1576
@@saturna1576he just said she is doind more dmg (which she does), nobody said she "completly outdamaged", both characters are diffrent and using diffrently, she is just overall better
@@Fatum7803 Doing more damage is inaccurate if she doesn't completely outdamage, and it's being implied to be that, for other scenarios that's fair to agree with
Bro became a professional end game player after roasting almost every top-tier units ps: after watching the whole video, i don't even know if you really mean everything you said or just joking💀💀💀 ps2: great video btw
lol while I do agree her being in s+ is kinda cap and blade being better than he is given credit some of the reasoning made me laugh because I disagreed with the reason but agreed with what you said 😂. Also lunae ult having him go again is e2. E2 dhil is the best dps in the game currently, e0 you could argue jingliu is. I have an e6 lunae and my e2 blade in a mode like pure fiction (for now) so performs better but in moc dhil is better. I think maybe when sparkle comes he will improve across the board in both modes. I have not finished the video yet but some of your reasons makes me think you are trolling a bit 😂 “just roll better” “just be more lucky” . I mean hey technically you are not wrong 😂 Entertaining video Edit after finishing video: yeah I’m convinced this was a bit of a troll video lol saying delete sustain entirely just zero cycle is wild. Normally zero cycles are only on one side on TH-cam. I have very rarely seen people posting it on both sides (for now, with more characters it will be easier to do) . Also zero cycling usually takes a good number of retries for the people you see doing it. If you want the fastest way to get your rewards with minimum effort just build your units better, pop in a sustain, respond to the fights with the proper teams, press auto and do something else while you get all the rewards. Also if you watch the PvP videos they almost always play it safe and bring a sustain because they need to mitigate any bad luck and get the best reliable result not the best possible result after some retries.
Dr ratio is definitely one of the best if not the best single target dps in the game he is not comparable to 50 percent off umbrellas 💀.How many bad takes do you have,the herta store light cone is almost as good as his signature lol
Dr ratio really is the best single target and is better than imbibitor lunae in some scenarios, the factor that imbibitor lunae can enhanced attack two times In a row is his e2 which most people don't have. In Dr ratio's lightcone the fact that separates his signature with herta store light cone is that it gives a 24% defense ignore which is VERY strong especially if paired with Silverwolf and pela which most likely people are doing.
I think if someone agrees with this person on anything they should probably reevaluate their opinion lol I have never seen so many bad takes before. This must be satire
I try to listen to your points but I struggle to understand where you come from. You say CV is overvalued, To some degree I would agree if you go 0 ATK%, 0 DMG% just CV your character will feel weak. However I don't understand how getting a 50% CR is bad. It takes the preasure of getting those stats from relics. You can invest in speed or other and not worry. You can just go Full Crit Damage on any character like you said. But Normal Character can get like 20-30% on natural Crit Rate. And she get 50% from kit. So Other characters you play a roulette everytime you attack to hit 20% roll. With Her you have 70%.. Much more consistent. Its huge because you can viably go just Crit DMG, Speed, ATK in your relics and have a great damage. She is S+ becasue she have good damage, 3 Target attack and she is increadibly easy to build and nothing changed with Ruin Me.. She still does the job.
You got a lot of dislikes for your takes my friend, just to correct some wrong ideas you have. Sayan Daniel (aka lunae) only have the ult 100% foward action when he's E2, if you're E0 ult gives you 1 free stack to use without consuming energy, lunae is good but E2 is one of the strongest in the game by far. Just to correct your claims.
mine is e0s1 and is better than my jingliu, despite having nicely built jingliu. she doesnt have her signature, i use herta store one, but the damage difference is huge enough that i assume she'd hit the same numbers as him with her lc. she's more expensive too, regarding her best teams
@@julia8292 dunno wht u smoking . reason jingliu better not bcouse of the dmg alone . she versatile in many team . wht u mean her team expensive ? she can work with bronya .. tingyun .. or just slap any support she can play in dual dps team whtsover u dunno shit about character team comp lol ... while dan heng IL need sp positive team to keep his skill stack in check and he only hve one team to maximize his kit bfore sparkle release . and with sparkle around he back to top 1 . u realize why ? bcouse sparkle not only buff but make dan heng breaking his limit as sp negative character .
I disagree with this because Ive been coming across many opponents that do not have an ice weakness.. so it isn't helpful that she isn't as flexible without Silver Wolf to apply the Ice Weakness onto opponents.. Meanwhile ive notice more and more enemies have wind/phys/img much more often.. (i also dont have these built expt 2 Wind characters) I also refuse to believe SW isnt S+.. The reason being she adds weakness and def debuffs enemies- making it significantly easier to weakness break & straight up kill them w/o worries.. @@leostiffer530 😅
worst opinion video I have ever saw, if you consider Jingliu shouldn't be up there considering other dps she is easy to build and fit easily in most team with comfortable teambuilding + insane dmg Freezing it's also better than imaginary break because with freeze they don't take action the turn it comes with imaginary they are slowed down but can still attack
oh god here we go again this is gonna be as good as the 4 star video isnt it- now i have to watch all your content. i better get a bottle of scotch or something like that
Kafka is very good and will always continue to be good and will actually get better over time.Jingliu literally is SP positive and does more dmg than Dan Heng IL while being so synergistic with bronya and Fu xuan who are one of the best support and sustain.In addition jingliu just gets 50 cr for free in her bankai state and fu xuan gives another 12 for free.Jungliu objectively does the best dps in the game.Having to build crit dmg only basically makes her easier to build if anything lmao
You just said that "you either 0 cycle or 10 cycle" If we accept that premise is true, having Fu Xuan or Huohuo is a HUGE upgrade from Natasha, as a new player who doesn't have good relic investment, I doubt you can even 10 cycle if your sustain in your account is Lynx and Natasha, If you run double sustain, I doubt you will even 10 cycle at that point. Of course assume people don't have perfect relic etc etc
You can easily solo sustain with natasha and bailu and lynx Tho for lynx You have to use her ultimate wisely only Natasha offer huge heal but lower cleanse and not worth investment But lynx is the best sustain for f2p rn lmao
I was wondering if he was kidding. Waited 5 minutes and decided, he's serious. So insta DISLIKE. Have a nice day, also hope this is for the sweaty gamers and not casuals, because as a casual, I got bored fairly early.
Bro his philosophy is Zero Cycle or get good... while ignoring the fact that Prydwen's tier list is more F2P and decent investment oriented... I mean that's fine and all but to dismiss this tier list because of that, man just make your own tier list 😂 calm down
@efael5546 Sure he might, but I got bored before I could find out. Five minutes is enough time, to decide whether a video is worth your attention or not.
I agree with the break argument, but as a mintpicker it's hard enough to build characters as is, being worried about not being able to overbuild a character with godroll relics is not an issue tbh, more of a pro.
kafka relies on blackswan? lmao if you haven't played kafka ever, don't bother with such comparisons. bait used to be believable, that's 15 minutes of my life gone lmao
10:30 that is an eidolon 2 imbibitor lunae which most people absolutely do not have but is definitely the strongest damage dealer in the game. The imbibitor lunae mentioned here is eidolon 0 because that is simply the reality for most free to play players. (and I agree, jingliu is overrated.)
Ice break it’s about crowd control, JL technique freezes enemy’s and beefier they get turn you can break them again, it has top synergy with ruan mei, enemy will be delayed 3.
as a haver of both jingliu and dan heng, it always strange to see dhil a tier lower, because "skill point issues blah blah blah" but the truth is you only need tingyun, pela and sustain and you're good to go. with jingliu she specifically needs either bronya to not waste two turns just to get into state, or huohuo+tingyun to stay in the state for almost whole battle, which is more expensive. and their damage output is the same. biased tier list is all that is tbh but now that sparkle came out and again makes dhil best dps with her (at least for now), i wonder if the tier list will adjust to that
Definitely true with the skill point thing prior to sparkles release. Actually they did update the tier list recently, putting Dan Heng alongside JL in the S+ tier! Probably won't be making a video on it though due to not having much to say about it, but we'll see
who tf even cares about this trash tier list? its so obvious that they tend to put newly released characters into a higher tier and sometimes completely change their minds about certain characters for no reason at all. i check it every once in a while for laughs but thats it
The real reason why jingliu is that high because she has similar damage output to IL but extremely versatile at the same time due to she is SP neutral. Making her can blend well in many teams, hypercarry, dual dps or mono ice. You can still use her with fu xuan. Although she is ice but she has enough damage to brute force like IL but a lot better due that you don't have to worry the units you should use with her
She literally is skill point positive,does a little bit more dmg than Dan Heng IL.Only downside is that she drains your team hp and u need to be in her Bankai state to do that top tier dmg which is circumvented by Fu xuan who makes your team unkillable and she gives 12 percent cr for free and bronya makes you get bankai form easier and buffs CD even more which is what you build on her
shes skill point positive tho? but not as bad as dhil, you will never see jl recovering a sp in a optimal run, since her enhanced skill uses 0 sps but doesnt recover any
@@cvlvstia neutral is what i meant it was autocorrect lol mb
I totally agree. She's the only unit I knew / have that can brute force her damage without ice weakness. Also the two/three times atk with skill points positive is great.
People out here throwing statements about skill point positive/neutral/negative not even knowing what it means...
She is SP negative. She uses 2 SP to enter her buffed state and then uses 0 SP for about 2-3 turns, so overall 0.5 SP negative per 4(5-1, because she gets a turn) turn rotation.
Blade is also SP negative, but a bit less. He is 0.25 SP negative, since he uses his skill once every 4 turns and doesn't generate any in return.
This has to be comedy
What the hell is that take on Kafka lmao.
"Have you tried running Jingliu without Bronya? Or any other Harmony unit, for that matter? She does significantly less damage."
I’m here for the Blade propaganda, homie puts in mad work and never dies🗣️
Pure facts in here, concerning DHIL Im pretty sure you encountered a bug bc I used my friends DHIL and he cannot double enhance auto, but I saw some people do that on video, probably using hacks
Куда я не пойду на TH-cam связанном с ХСР, вы везде😅
That is an e2 imbibitor lunae which means you have to get his copy three times so it's not a bug, just some whales whaling as usual.
no way ratio seele and dhil are in the same tier
but honestly jingliu is such a good dps, shes pretty good for dps and shes really versatile
wdym u need ice to do dmg? It literally skips turns for most of the enemies, and what about IL? he does imaginary that just slows and does no dmg too
poggy woggy uwu my brain is not the only thing that got bigger owo
No. 1 Nutty meat rider smh
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Bro is goregois
Hes probably Eula main with 20% crit rate and complaing about getting to much crit rate cuz "u can just reset". Also bladie doing more dmg than Jingliu is just hilarious. Hardly disagree with your statement.
I'm just glad i'm not one of those players who are so done, 0 cycle is all there is to aspire/enjoy in HSR 🤨
tbh i like genshin imact
You can't even spell it 👁️👄👁️
I highly agree with your take with Kafka, I simp for Kafka but she is just not good on her own, BS on the other hand has more utility
he probably play crit kafka
idk maybe zajeffs tier list wasnt that bad at all 💀
so when my QQ fail 32 times in a row it's my fault?
Luck issue
number 1 waffler
Getting triggered by facts nice nice great first vid ill be leaving now I'm to busy getting one million+ damage for free with my E0 Jingliu... ya mid character with 0 whole skill points needed for that million damage...
oh nooo don't leave!!!😱😱 Omg dude 😱😱
you have to be sped
man saying e0 jingliu is the most ballanced charecter is such a bold statement
He starts outs serious with some good points and then he has a Joker arc descending into madness.
this man is nothing short of a genius
Blade does not do more dmg than jingliu what 💀.He definitely has self sustain but that’s just incorrect.Blade has good dmg but not jingliu top tier dmg
The Vid Maker is a bit unhinged but if you think that Blade gets completely outdamaged by Jingliu you need to do more of your own research..
blade is pretty good ngl but i think dan heng and jingliu are on a dps threshold of their own personally he is right up there tho still like low S tier or high A tier but jingliu and dan heng are comfortablly at the top of S tier with jing being first then dan heng right behind.@@saturna1576
@@saturna1576he just said she is doind more dmg (which she does), nobody said she "completly outdamaged", both characters are diffrent and using diffrently, she is just overall better
@@Fatum7803 Doing more damage is inaccurate if she doesn't completely outdamage, and it's being implied to be that, for other scenarios that's fair to agree with
Is this sarcasm?
Yeah it definitely is 😅
It has to be lol
Bait used to be believable 😂
Physical Trailblazer is D for "D Galactic Baseballer™"
this guy has the best takes i've ever seen looool
Bro just made everyone hate him:D
Not everyone only the down bad jingliu simps
@@yyyy9764 I don't even have Jingliu nor care for her, this guy is certified insane if they're serious
Finally! This is the kind of content I've been waiting for so long! 😅
As a Blade main I agree with everything in this video. Also, I'm going to say "luck issue" everytime someone complains about Honkai
If this is not a joke this is the worst take on tier list ever
You should check out the new update
The King has Return to his proper rankings
Bro became a professional end game player after roasting almost every top-tier units
ps: after watching the whole video, i don't even know if you really mean everything you said or just joking💀💀💀
ps2: great video btw
lol while I do agree her being in s+ is kinda cap and blade being better than he is given credit some of the reasoning made me laugh because I disagreed with the reason but agreed with what you said 😂.
Also lunae ult having him go again is e2. E2 dhil is the best dps in the game currently, e0 you could argue jingliu is.
I have an e6 lunae and my e2 blade in a mode like pure fiction (for now) so performs better but in moc dhil is better. I think maybe when sparkle comes he will improve across the board in both modes.
I have not finished the video yet but some of your reasons makes me think you are trolling a bit 😂 “just roll better” “just be more lucky” . I mean hey technically you are not wrong 😂
Entertaining video
Edit after finishing video: yeah I’m convinced this was a bit of a troll video lol saying delete sustain entirely just zero cycle is wild. Normally zero cycles are only on one side on TH-cam. I have very rarely seen people posting it on both sides (for now, with more characters it will be easier to do) . Also zero cycling usually takes a good number of retries for the people you see doing it. If you want the fastest way to get your rewards with minimum effort just build your units better, pop in a sustain, respond to the fights with the proper teams, press auto and do something else while you get all the rewards. Also if you watch the PvP videos they almost always play it safe and bring a sustain because they need to mitigate any bad luck and get the best reliable result not the best possible result after some retries.
i respect your opinion and i disagree
Dr ratio is definitely one of the best if not the best single target dps in the game he is not comparable to 50 percent off umbrellas 💀.How many bad takes do you have,the herta store light cone is almost as good as his signature lol
Dr ratio really is the best single target and is better than imbibitor lunae in some scenarios, the factor that imbibitor lunae can enhanced attack two times In a row is his e2 which most people don't have. In Dr ratio's lightcone the fact that separates his signature with herta store light cone is that it gives a 24% defense ignore which is VERY strong especially if paired with Silverwolf and pela which most likely people are doing.
I think if someone agrees with this person on anything they should probably reevaluate their opinion lol
I have never seen so many bad takes before. This must be satire
Lmfaoo I laughed so hard about this guy takes
his smooth tongue makes him look like a smart theorycrafter but u see his takes and realize that he does not know what he is talking abt
I try to listen to your points but I struggle to understand where you come from.
You say CV is overvalued, To some degree I would agree if you go 0 ATK%, 0 DMG% just CV your character will feel weak.
However I don't understand how getting a 50% CR is bad. It takes the preasure of getting those stats from relics. You can invest in speed or other and not worry.
You can just go Full Crit Damage on any character like you said. But Normal Character can get like 20-30% on natural Crit Rate. And she get 50% from kit.
So Other characters you play a roulette everytime you attack to hit 20% roll. With Her you have 70%.. Much more consistent.
Its huge because you can viably go just Crit DMG, Speed, ATK in your relics and have a great damage.
She is S+ becasue she have good damage, 3 Target attack and she is increadibly easy to build and nothing changed with Ruin Me.. She still does the job.
You got a lot of dislikes for your takes my friend, just to correct some wrong ideas you have. Sayan Daniel (aka lunae) only have the ult 100% foward action when he's E2, if you're E0 ult gives you 1 free stack to use without consuming energy, lunae is good but E2 is one of the strongest in the game by far. Just to correct your claims.
Bro the reason his imbibiter lune can do that I'd bec he has eidolon 2 💀💀💀💀
mine is e0s1 and is better than my jingliu, despite having nicely built jingliu. she doesnt have her signature, i use herta store one, but the damage difference is huge enough that i assume she'd hit the same numbers as him with her lc. she's more expensive too, regarding her best teams
@@julia8292 dunno wht u smoking . reason jingliu better not bcouse of the dmg alone . she versatile in many team . wht u mean her team expensive ? she can work with bronya .. tingyun .. or just slap any support she can play in dual dps team whtsover u dunno shit about character team comp lol ... while dan heng IL need sp positive team to keep his skill stack in check and he only hve one team to maximize his kit bfore sparkle release . and with sparkle around he back to top 1 . u realize why ? bcouse sparkle not only buff but make dan heng breaking his limit as sp negative character .
I disagree with this because Ive been coming across many opponents that do not have an ice weakness.. so it isn't helpful that she isn't as flexible without Silver Wolf to apply the Ice Weakness onto opponents.. Meanwhile ive notice more and more enemies have wind/phys/img much more often.. (i also dont have these built expt 2 Wind characters) I also refuse to believe SW isnt S+.. The reason being she adds weakness and def debuffs enemies- making it significantly easier to weakness break & straight up kill them w/o worries.. @@leostiffer530 😅
worst opinion video I have ever saw, if you consider Jingliu shouldn't be up there
considering other dps she is easy to build and fit easily in most team with comfortable teambuilding + insane dmg
Freezing it's also better than imaginary break because with freeze they don't take action the turn it comes with imaginary they are slowed down but can still attack
oh god here we go again this is gonna be as good as the 4 star video isnt it- now i have to watch all your content. i better get a bottle of scotch or something like that
Jingliu is so overrated this video is real truth
nah my man cant be saying shes harder to build than other characters, you cant be a real human lmao
Kafka is very good and will always continue to be good and will actually get better over time.Jingliu literally is SP positive and does more dmg than Dan Heng IL while being so synergistic with bronya and Fu xuan who are one of the best support and sustain.In addition jingliu just gets 50 cr for free in her bankai state and fu xuan gives another 12 for free.Jungliu objectively does the best dps in the game.Having to build crit dmg only basically makes her easier to build if anything lmao
"Jingliu is not an S+ tier unit " instant like
You just said that "you either 0 cycle or 10 cycle" If we accept that premise is true, having Fu Xuan or Huohuo is a HUGE upgrade from Natasha, as a new player who doesn't have good relic investment, I doubt you can even 10 cycle if your sustain in your account is Lynx and Natasha, If you run double sustain, I doubt you will even 10 cycle at that point. Of course assume people don't have perfect relic etc etc
You can easily solo sustain with natasha and bailu and lynx
Tho for lynx
You have to use her ultimate wisely only
Natasha offer huge heal but lower cleanse and not worth investment
But lynx is the best sustain for f2p rn lmao
Dont let bro cook again .
I was wondering if he was kidding. Waited 5 minutes and decided, he's serious. So insta DISLIKE. Have a nice day, also hope this is for the sweaty gamers and not casuals, because as a casual, I got bored fairly early.
Bro his philosophy is Zero Cycle or get good... while ignoring the fact that Prydwen's tier list is more F2P and decent investment oriented...
I mean that's fine and all but to dismiss this tier list because of that, man just make your own tier list 😂 calm down
Also I think he is totally joking, I mean as soon as he brings up HI3 and Batman 😂
@@adamniefael5546 I'm a lazy bones, so no. But I will shit on other peole's lists, not because it's fun, but just cause I can.
@efael5546 Sure he might, but I got bored before I could find out. Five minutes is enough time, to decide whether a video is worth your attention or not.
@@zieek1 I was refering to him when I say chill not you, my bad for the confusing sentence structure...
Is this satire?
first world first tier list
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Honestly misha should be higher he is actually insanely good seeing from other people gameplay he should be like low A
I agree with the break argument, but as a mintpicker it's hard enough to build characters as is, being worried about not being able to overbuild a character with godroll relics is not an issue tbh, more of a pro.
"break effect meta" bruh
we are indeed in break effect meta? so whats strange about this statement
@@julia8292 if you think so lol
youtube algorithm has truly lost the plot for putting this video on my recommendations. maybe some small creators are small for a reason
kafka relies on blackswan? lmao if you haven't played kafka ever, don't bother with such comparisons.
bait used to be believable, that's 15 minutes of my life gone lmao
10:30 that is an eidolon 2 imbibitor lunae which most people absolutely do not have but is definitely the strongest damage dealer in the game. The imbibitor lunae mentioned here is eidolon 0 because that is simply the reality for most free to play players. (and I agree, jingliu is overrated.)
Ice break it’s about crowd control, JL technique freezes enemy’s and beefier they get turn you can break them again, it has top synergy with ruan mei, enemy will be delayed 3.
mad respect for saying something people are too afraid to say bc you'd get harassed by simps
I hope these are all sarcastic...
as a haver of both jingliu and dan heng, it always strange to see dhil a tier lower, because "skill point issues blah blah blah" but the truth is you only need tingyun, pela and sustain and you're good to go. with jingliu she specifically needs either bronya to not waste two turns just to get into state, or huohuo+tingyun to stay in the state for almost whole battle, which is more expensive. and their damage output is the same. biased tier list is all that is tbh
but now that sparkle came out and again makes dhil best dps with her (at least for now), i wonder if the tier list will adjust to that
Definitely true with the skill point thing prior to sparkles release. Actually they did update the tier list recently, putting Dan Heng alongside JL in the S+ tier! Probably won't be making a video on it though due to not having much to say about it, but we'll see
You have ruin my year for going against my wafiu jingliu
Your not serious right 👁️👄👁️
who tf even cares about this trash tier list? its so obvious that they tend to put newly released characters into a higher tier and sometimes completely change their minds about certain characters for no reason at all. i check it every once in a while for laughs but thats it