"The program, which began in collaboration with the US Navy and ONR back in 2012" - by the time this thing ever makes it into service, the program will probably be older than a lot of sailors.
@BravoCheesecake that's what I missed in the video! Assuming you are correct thats a unique selling point for this capability. I'm just really curious as to how they achieve this technically.. Assuming IR doest work because the projectile will get too hot...
You know for some reason,i have a feeling that the navy rail gun wasn't actually cancelled just that it was publicly cancelled but secretly it was somewhat successful,and the HVP having an ammo for the rail gun increase my suspicion
@@felcofb4750 the mk 45 or 5 inch gun is 127 mm. It's 127mm/54caliber. That is built and designed by united defense which was acquired by BAE and is on American ships. What he's asking is if it'll be compatible with Leonardo's 127 mm gun which is 64 caliber or length. Oto melera produces a 127/54 gun as well for Italians. Now we do have a smaller gun that is 54mm made by bofors on a few ships like lcs where Leonardo makes a 76mm/62 caliber
it is highly dependant on a lot of factors. For example, the US Mk 45 5/54 inch, when introduced, had a 13 mile range. The UK Mk 8 4.5/55 inch, when introduced, had a 17 mile range. Both came into service around the same time. Factors like gun weight, turret weight, turret ring diameter, ammo stowage, reloading etc all have an effect on what can physically fit. A heavy gun and turret needs a strengthened deck area. a larger turret ring takes up more space on and below deck. Larger shells have a slower rate of fire, due to the heavier shell. US 5 inch has a 16-20 rounds per minute. The UK 4.5 inch, 25 per minute. US shell 31.75 kg. UK shell 21 kg. The US 5 inch is more destructive, due to a greater bursting charge. So as you can see. just a 0.5 inch difference in calibre, can make a huge difference between two nominally similar weapons.
The original reason why the Navy killed this originally was the cost per round. I believe at the time it was over $100,000 per shot. Please correct me if someone knows different/has a updated price.
They are calling them "Hypervelocity" but basically they are supersonic with indications, nothing official yet, of around M3. Hypersonic speed are generally considered to be above M5.
one shot one kill? of what? maybe patrol boat. anything bigger will survive just fine. does it even have any explosive there or will just pierce boats and leave almost no damage? can it even hit fast moving target? and if it can how far?
"The program, which began in collaboration with the US Navy and ONR back in 2012" - by the time this thing ever makes it into service, the program will probably be older than a lot of sailors.
sounds like money laundering too me
These enable a DDG to take care of slow flying cruise missiles at ranges exceeding 40 miles freeing up VLS missiles for more important targets.
Only if the projectiles are guided
@@xelolath They are, that is the entire point.
The effecctive range of HVP in an aerial engagement will not be 40 miles whether statute or nautical.
You're right, out of a Mod 4 it's 50 miles.
@BravoCheesecake that's what I missed in the video! Assuming you are correct thats a unique selling point for this capability. I'm just really curious as to how they achieve this technically.. Assuming IR doest work because the projectile will get too hot...
This is awesome ground to be working on, despite what happened to Gerald Bull. Good luck!
What is the guidance type? Active radar, command, IR, laser-guided, semi-active?
You know for some reason,i have a feeling that the navy rail gun wasn't actually cancelled just that it was publicly cancelled but secretly it was somewhat successful,and the HVP having an ammo for the rail gun increase my suspicion
Now the US Navy needs to go back to 8 inch guns on ships with hypervelocity projectiles
I was just picturing those projectiles encased in a sabot designed for a 16" gun. possibly as a "super flechette" but with "smart" projectiles.
No. 5" is still multipurpose which is what a ship needs. We should quad pack GMLRS to NGFS.
Will the Leonardo 127/64 mount be able to use this munition or is it only compatable with the mk 45?
They should produce an 127 mm version.
If Vulcano can swap guns I am sure they can make a variant of this for the 127/64.
@@felcofb4750 the mk 45 or 5 inch gun is 127 mm. It's 127mm/54caliber. That is built and designed by united defense which was acquired by BAE and is on American ships. What he's asking is if it'll be compatible with Leonardo's 127 mm gun which is 64 caliber or length. Oto melera produces a 127/54 gun as well for Italians. Now we do have a smaller gun that is 54mm made by bofors on a few ships like lcs where Leonardo makes a 76mm/62 caliber
Should be able to, 127mm is 5".
I bet these munitions will chew through the Mark 45 gun barrel like crazy.
Recent experiences in the shipping routes seems to have light a fire in the US Navy brass.
feedback. The interview, new, should try to not say "you know".
thank you=)
Can the HVP be mated to a sabot for a 4.5 " naval gun?
Will we see ammunition similar to the VULCANO, DART and the 155mm Copperhead?
So is this a "kinetic kill" projectile or does it have an explosive head crammed into the actual round?
I didn't know that BAE had manufacturing in Minnesota.
Yep, huge facility, Naval Gun manufacture,
US has already successfully tested it to shoot down cruise missiles. HVP reaches mach 7
Would 6" guns give Navy longer range and impact?? If so why doesnt navy equip new ships with them??
it is highly dependant on a lot of factors. For example, the US Mk 45 5/54 inch, when introduced, had a 13 mile range. The UK Mk 8 4.5/55 inch, when introduced, had a 17 mile range. Both came into service around the same time.
Factors like gun weight, turret weight, turret ring diameter, ammo stowage, reloading etc all have an effect on what can physically fit. A heavy gun and turret needs a strengthened deck area. a larger turret ring takes up more space on and below deck.
Larger shells have a slower rate of fire, due to the heavier shell. US 5 inch has a 16-20 rounds per minute. The UK 4.5 inch, 25 per minute. US shell 31.75 kg. UK shell 21 kg.
The US 5 inch is more destructive, due to a greater bursting charge.
So as you can see. just a 0.5 inch difference in calibre, can make a huge difference between two nominally similar weapons.
If HVP fulfills its promises, maybe they'll increase Mk45 gun elevation for terminal defence against ASBM?
Maybe make some sized for the Zumwalt, since its guns don’t have any ammo…
too late. main guns have already been removed for hypersonic missiles. First destroyer class in history to not have main gun.
That should address the fast moving surface threats from Iran.
if they are that close, they are so far into the anti-missile ship range it would be pointless
The original reason why the Navy killed this originally was the cost per round. I believe at the time it was over $100,000 per shot. Please correct me if someone knows different/has a updated price.
hypersonic rounds?
That's the idea. The round itself was originally designed for the electromagnetic gun but can be fired using chemical explosives as well.
They are calling them "Hypervelocity" but basically they are supersonic with indications, nothing official yet, of around M3. Hypersonic speed are generally considered to be above M5.
No
Mach 7. US has successfully tested it to shoot down cruise missiles
Another game changer,now when have I heard that.
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one shot one kill? of what? maybe patrol boat. anything bigger will survive just fine. does it even have any explosive there or will just pierce boats and leave almost no damage? can it even hit fast moving target? and if it can how far?
Great idea; interminable development schedule from a lethargic legacy contractor.China will conquer Taiwan before this is fielded.
How about a big fat NOPE?