Blasphemer! How dare you tell me not to listen to Dan Becker! I only buy things because he tells me to. And as soon as he tells me to use something different, I do that too. Now I even have an e-bike because he told me to. It took me 4 months to even watch your video because I was binging at the TH-cam altar of Dan Becker. There is only one being above Dan and that is Clapton, because Clapton is god. You ‘re canceled! #DanBecker
I know im randomly asking but does anyone know of a way to log back into an Instagram account?? I stupidly forgot the login password. I appreciate any help you can give me!
Dan is a weekend backpacker that is out of shape (have a look at some of his video where he runs after his fellow hikers because he is so out of shape) and he is not a true hiker in the real sense of the word, he is a comedian that enjoys going out once in a while!
@@labellaescrima1996 I know Dan personally, and he is very much a backpacker. I’ve hiked with Dan, and he very much is a backpacker and outdoorsman. I’m pretty sure he probably gets out more than you do.
Same. I switched out my UL pack for an Osprey. It got to the point where I just wanted to be comfortable when I had to carry more water in dry areas and have a lifetime warranty. I don’t even feel like I’m carrying anything with the Osprey even though the pack itself is 2x the weight of my old pack.
I can basically sum up this video pretty easily: You can use whatever gear you want and don't let the fact you enjoy watching hundreds of gear videos on TH-cam make you feel pressured to buy "better gear". Yeah, deep down we all know this but it's our commercialist society that kind of perpetuates this drive to buy more, to buy better, to continue to seek approval through purchasing.
I found out that when you set up your Dynema tent in the dark and accidentally put all your weight onto a trekking pole that with the pointy end on your tent floor, it ain't quite so strong. I was bragging to my son that my tent only weighed 24 oz. He replied that it really weighed $600. So yeah, if you're lucky and late in your career and can afford it, it's good, but not essential.
I have 30k + backpacking miles on 4 continents. You are the only vlogger that I've subscribed too. You keep it simple, honest and good advice. I point inexperienced backpackers to your channel. Keep it up.
I think the most important point is that you should base what gear you upgrade on your actual experiences on the trail, and be careful to sort out those feelings about wanting new gear that come from actual experiences from those feelings that come from seeing cool gear online and getting excited over it. We all do the latter, and sometimes it's good to splurge on cool high-quality stuff, but the most important factor is _what do I actually, really feel a need to change in my gear set-up when I am actually using it_
Dyneema is the trade name for PET, what plastic bottles are made of. It is strong, but also has a very low melting point, and is very Susceptible to UV radiation. It breaks down much quicker in direct sunlight than nylon or other synthetics. If you are an experienced climber, you know not to trust an old dyneema sling that has been in the sun for months. So it simply does not last as long, especially for tents and things that are exposed to sunlight. Basically, they have great marketing that make people think it is more wonderful than it is. Titanium..... light and strong, but has much lower conductivity than steel or aluminium. That means if you are using it to cook, you need substantially more heat (= fuel) than if you used alu or steel, which are marginally heavier. The German Alpine Club tested this and found titanium was not worth it- the added weight of fuel needed far overweighed the weight saved by using titanium. Companies count on people not understanding physics.
@@allemander In that case they're good. Well, they will still need more fuel and time to cook, but if it is abundant I guess that is OK. I guess you mean these are trips in woodland in which you find old wood and make a small fire. So for that I guess it is fine. But if, for example, you are in a rocky or glaciated area, or in winter, and need gas, petrol or alcohol for the stove, titanium is not a good idea.
Interesting, very interesting. Thanks for that. I don't have Titanium Cooking Gear. The eye-watering prices would make it difficult to use with tears streaming down my face.
Your points are all right on, John. I did a lot of backpacking as a teenager, then didn’t do it for decades. Now, my son is old enough to want to get into it, so I’m outfitting myself again. Fortunately, I’m not a complete beginner, but I started from scratch with gear a couple years ago. I tend to be easy on stuff, and I take good care of it, so I keep it forever. Because of that, I tend to do a ton of research, and try to by quality stuff the first time. With everything, not just backpacking gear. There are so many choices in gear now, you have to try some stuff to know what you really want. (Tent or hammock, bag or quilt, 1p or 2p tent, tons of pockets or simple backpack.). And then some of those things have endless variations. I can’t afford to go high end, then keep replacing stuff. But, if you go too low end, while you’re trying stuff out, you might not have a very enjoyable experience. It can be a really difficult getting started if you don’t have someone who will lend you stuff in the beginning.
The trick is to find quality gear that won't break the bank, and allows you to screw it up without feeling super guilty for ruining an expensive piece of gear.
Definitely. I’m a master at finding last year’s model, picking the odd color that’s on sale, or waiting for REI sales. Shoes are about the only thing I will pay full price, because sometimes you just need them when you need them. That said, if I like a particular style, I’ll buy a second pair of the same shoe when they hit clearance prices and save them til the first wears out.
This is my experience, lots as a kid then just started again last year at 41. It's a minefield. One thing I have realised is the weight of stuff I used to be prepared to carry was absolutely crazy. I bought a single person tent for winter hiking (wife's not interested, Fairweather hiker, fair enough) and it weighs 1.8kg all-in which is ok but not super light. I took a hit on weight because price/features. I think the tent I used to use 25 years ago probably weighed double.
Although I’m a knife guy… like have 10 LTWKs and never use them cause I love a mora for “backpacking”- I agree 110%. Shoes. Socks. Extra socks. Spend the money. It is worth it. Did the MD challenge last year in 16.5 hours. Zero blisters…. Used my knife zero times. Used my shoes every step.
@@Danr07 for the shoes….that’s really not gonna be something that anyone can answer for you. It’s gonna be about personal preference and what works with your anatomy as well as what your expectations vs use may be. I will recommend darn tough socks though. They’re the best socks for sure.
@@erickmo1188 Yeah, shoes are definitely subjective. I guess what I’m asking about is more related to quality and durability rather than preferred fit or comfort. I’ll look into those socks though.
@@Danr07 got ya, well I can attest to the quality and customer service of both merrells and Salomon. I’ve even had Salomon send replacement shoes when a seam on theirs failed. No if’s ands or butts. They stood by their product. But these are both brands in the low- medium price ranges. If you go up another 50-100 bucks, a lot of other great brands become attainable.
Thanks for being real in this one! A lot of friends that I talk to about backpacking always complain about it being so expensive to spend a night in the woods!
Nice CTUG plug!! Paria Outdoor Products. They are probably the best "quality to weight to cost" ratio company around. Their customer service is outstanding and the best part is a lifetime warranty on ALL of their gear. Devin has done several videos on their products. I highly recommend them for starting out backpacking. Uniqlo is a Japanese company that has several products that are outstanding for backpacking. The Ultra Light Down jacket is around 9oz, comes with a stuff sack, and you can get it on sale for $29. I've worn mine with a generic fleece underneath in the low 30s for hours on end. The Airism line is perfect for staying cool and the Heattec base layers come in three different thicknesses. Just remember these are Japanese sizes, so they run small compared to Western sizes. Don't forget to check out pawn shops and thrift stores (Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc). I picked up my brand new Pocket Rocket 2 at a pawn shop for $20.
It's true what he's saying... if you seek out the real experts in ultralight backpacking, you'll see they often cobble together some really weird but durable bits of often home made kit, that have nothing to do with brands....and are just pure innovation....
I feel like outlet stores are a very underappreciated place to get reasonably priced gear for backpacking/hiking. So many big name companies like Columbia (my personal favorite), North Face, Nike, Under Armour, Merrell, and Eddie Bauer (super underrated, btw) have outlet stores where you can get their gear for significantly less than the normal retail price. My favorite fleece from Columbia was $22, and it is basically always in my pack. My boyfriend's three in one Columbia puffy-rain jacket combo was less than $100 and can be worn down to 10 F.
Does not half the gear 'guilt' come from the fact that every youtuber says things like "its ok to use this when starting out" followed by bigging up all the big brands they own! Surely if its ok to start with its always going to be ok!
Well said. Buy gear to get you out there, see if you like it and then replace later. Eventually you will have enough to cover a friend who might want to get out but can’t afford gear.
Ironically, I could not afford a traditional pack, and was going weekend hiking with a cheap backpack which had almost all the weight on the shoulders. Used to carry about 20-24lb. Then I tried frame-less (I borrowed) and was - meh - felt the same as the old crap I had. Then I got one of those "traditional ones" - and was - oh boy - you barely feel the weight.
I made my own long-handled spork by soldering two spoons together! I used a Dremel to cut the tines. I spent $1 on it at the DollarTree. And my food bowl was a 2 LB margarine tub: free! My first pack had a frame, and I got it at J.C. Penny's for $29! I only had to add a hip-belt. Decent gear doesn't have to cost much, but be wary of buying cheap junk. I still use my nylon stuff-bag, that I bought in 1980 for $4. It doubles as my pillow. I agree.. You don't "need" these things, but research and videos help you to pick what's best for you!
Good message! I have used military surplus and budget brands for years: in most weathers, most terrains, absolutely brilliant, love it. I'll be out with my new Lanshan 2 tent, military backpack, and a synthetic sleeping bag next month. Can't. Wait.
@@KirstenBayesExactly! In my case I contacted polartec directly and they answered all my questions and directed me to suppliers etc., based on what I was looking for. I tested it out in our epic Texas snow storm and it performed better than I had hoped.
I visited an REI store recently and almost laughed out loud at some of the prices for clothing. If I’m going to pay $140 for a fleece sweater then it for darned sure needs to have been made in the USA by an American worker. I feel no guilt about buying the no-name version at 1/4 the price if both were made in the same overseas sweatshops. In fact, I refuse to reward the expensive brands that are selling essentially the same product made in the same outsourced factories.
Shop using ActiveJunky and other cash back sites. Buy Moosejaw, Mountain Steals, Backcountry, Steep and Cheap, Campsaver, SunnySports, Backcountrygear etc etc. Noobs shop at REI and MEC mostly. Poor prices and weak sales. Only thing I buy at REI is the garage sales (which you will have no warranty since manufacturers will refuse to warranty garage sale items) and the $2 Kovea butane/propane cartridges.
Thanks John! Many people (myself included) needed this video. I recently went from day-hiker to backpacker, and at first I let myself get roped into the "this youtuber says this is the gear I need" mindset. I'm now on my third backpack since I started in February, and I think I have finally found the right one for me. I'm now always on the search for something budget instead of the "best of the best" according to influencers. I will be thru-hiking the AT in 2023, and I honestly could see my budget setup working just as well as the couple thousand dollar setups that I've seen so many say that I need. Something you didn't mention that would really help a beginner: As you said, dialing in your gear can take some time, and you will find things that just don't work for you. An REI membership is only like 40 bucks, and I guarantee I've saved tons more than that because of their 1 year return policy for members. Try it, don't like it, return it and try something else. Plus you get 10% of your money back every year...can't go wrong, and makes dialing in your gear so much easier!
For those wanting to go ultralight, the Aegismax Nano 2 down sleeping bag is solid, compact, and light - $95 with coupons off AliExpress. The mier / lanshan 1 or 2 ultralight tent goes for $100-$135 on Amazon, and is a favorite with AT / PCT through hikers who don’t want to spend hundreds on the zpacks version. There’s always cheaper options, but this is a nice entry point for ultralight gear without spending hundreds per item.
Totally agree about frameless packs. They're awesome if you're BW is around 5-8lbs like I do and are doing more fastpacking than backpacking (thus less food required). But they certainly are an ultralight only type thing
The uco switch spoon knife fork combo for $4ish at Walmart is amazing. Compact, light, durable, long handle when needed! I have several, even in my work lunchbox!
My first frameless pack was the ULA CDT, and I was at a total pack weight of like 25lbs. I was miserable all weekend. Switched to the Mariposa and never looked back.
Many thumbs up John! You hit the spot! Many yt influencers that claimed to be independent and don't paddle gears are actually paddling sponsored expensive gears that they claimed purchased with their own $$. Anyone can gears up for < $350 or even less,with total weight of @ 25-28lb and go enjoy hiking. Even if the weight > 30lb is still ok. I met a single mom who carried >50lb hiking with her child and have a blast! I have never own any expensive gears. My tent was from Big 5 on sales with coupon for $32, 2.5lb, single wall, Cheap floor mat 9oz. from Amazon for
I think this is good stuff for new backpackers to hear. My niece has recently gotten into backpacking but she doesn't have a lot of money to spend on gear, so I've handed some things down to her to help her get started. I've really been expressing to her a lot of what you are saying. Don't feel like you have to have all the best gear right away or ever really. Sometimes you can find gear or backpacking clothing at thrift stores. I found a thermarest sleeping pad at the goodwill for 5 dollars and it doesn't leak at all. You don't have to bring dehydrated meals. Sure they are convenient but there are many things in a standard house hold pantry that would work just fine. Box macn cheese, dried refried beans and a tortilla. These kinds of meals are inexpensive and get the job done just as well as a dehydrated meal.
I love my Osprey Exos 48. It's been all over the world with me and it's so comfortable. My baseweight is 12lbs give or take, but I would never replace my pack with a frameless one. It allows me to pack out anything from beer to avocados to cheese, and I can do big water carries comfortably if I need.
John I absolutely love and extremely respect the purpose of the video. Huge props but I'm going to put in my 2 cents. If DCF is waterproof the DCF stuff sack doubles as a water collection device. Bagged meals can also be cut so they're not as tall and easy to use a regular fork/spoon. Always test your gear, and there are going to be items that are going to have that aren't ultralight. Just like your steak I carry an MSR seagull pot/pan and the metal UCO fork/spoon and my swiss army knife among other things. I'm looking forward to many more videos and I'll be checking out your previous content. Came here from Dan Becker but I think I watch more of your videos for reasons like this video. Big props again.
Thank you for the informative videos. I'm new to backpacking. Just bought my first hammock & tarp from Go outfitters. Ordered my underquilt yesterday. I can't wait to get out and use them.
I've hiked in all kinds of packs, old school external aluminum frame, internal plastic frame and UL frameless. The Internal frame and frameless give me the dreaded swamp back. I was recommended The Osprey Exos and for me its amazing.
As someone who has back-packed for a few years now, I agree with you on most points. My setup is very mixed, everything from the cheapest possible to really expensive gear. For me, anything that can easily break, get lost, or torn up is something I don't want to spend a lot of money on. At the same time, I feel a good quality sleeping bag and backpack is a must-have for me, and by buying a good quality one right away I save money in the long run because I don't have to replace it down the line. Never going to get a frameless one tho, I like carrying a lot of weight and not thinking about it too much. I also think it's important to acknowledge backpacking gear can be used outside of the backcountry as well. When I buy a jacket for example I make sure it's usable both in the backcountry and daily, no reason to have different rain jackets or puffies for daily/hiking.
Same! I'll spend on the big items but even then it's sort of medium spend on tent & sleeping bag. Boots and rain jacket is normally the biggest ones for me, seems necessary in Scotland. It's a beautiful thing to walk for 6 hours in epic rain/snow and still have dry feet and core.
I think it is good to find a way in between. Some important gear from higher quality, combined with budget gear. I am backpacking for years. This year I bought a Zpacks tent (for which I have been saving for 3 years), but also a Decathlon down jacket. A name doesn't mean anything. Make sure the gear works for you and makes your hikes to a succes. Checking sales also helps a lot.
I agree about cottage gear companies that’s why I like Hammock Gear for quilts and tarps. I also agree with your evaluation of DCF. I just can’t pull the trigger with those prices. Sil poly is just fine with me. Thanks for your help
I never thought id use a bivy. Got the Hilleberg "Bivanorak" about a month ago, and i *really* like the small packsize. Getting raingear, a bivy, and windbreaker, in 1 piece that that fits in the side pockets on my cargo pants, allows me to use a *much* smaller backpack than if i want to bring my Duplex tent. Other bivys look very small and restricting, and i can just imagine how every breath will quickly make the air "un-fresh". With the Bivanorak you sleep with your head in the hood, and arms in the sleeves, and so you have all the fresh air you could dream of, and you can sit up and cook food, and dont feel more restricted than you do in rainponcho. The small footprint allows me to set up camp almost anywhere, and if i use a closed cell foam pad, it only takes a minute to set up camp. If it starts raining, i can just roll over on the side, and the hood will keep me dry - although it is probably best to set up camp underneath a tree, so it will take care of most of the rain. I have not tried it in the rain yet, but i read about others who said they used it without a tarp, underneat a tree, so im guessing it is fully waterproof. It was designed for the Sweedish air force, so it is probably meant to keep people dry for more than just a quick trip to the store. Cant believe there are so few reviews of this item on YT.
Decathlon has just opened 4 stores in 1 of the 9 provinces in my country and through it's online division is already kicking the butt of the major sports retailers. It's really high quality at affordable prices. Decathlon is going to do more for public health (by making an active lifestyle accessible) than many government authorities! 5 Stars!
I have some very nice internal frame packs. I’ll use them, but the most comfortable to carry pack for me has been a medium Alice pack. I like the airflow external frames grant, I like the bucket main pocket, and it sits and travels well for me. Whatever works for you...
You and Jeremiah are my new heroes, idols and bestfriends. The only thing I don't get from you guys is the how to with kids. My daughter and I are super excited to get back out, and quite frankly we're broke, so we are on the budget mission. Hello Big 5 and Walmart. Keep a lookout for our videos, we're going to put our best foot forward and we look forward to your input
@@GearreportdotCom For sure but for a backpacking beginner like me it's gathering what I can afford to get stuff. I think it's safe to say everyone who makes it through a summer and still has interest will then buy new/better stuff through those vendors who designed it all.
@@bucky716 I don't think it is safe to say that at all. What I'm saying is that Wish shouldn't be an option for anyone with a moral compass. What the stuff there costs is irrelevant. We shouldn't buy from them, period. They are thieves who undercut the great brands (big and small) that give us new and innovative gear options.
Spot on. Get out there and hike with what you have, and who really cares what anybody else has to say about it. That being said, there are practical reasons to buy lighter gear. I'm not getting any younger, and the last backpack I bought was my trusty Mountainsmith internal frame in 1991. I'm updating my gear and the tech available today is mind boggling. My tent + quilt + sleeping pad + (framed) backpack together weigh less than that pack by itself.
I've been watching the black camper youtube his AT thru hike. I think most of his gear is from Costco and it's holding up fine. Having a UL pack is great but if you're just starting or doing under say 10mi trips, use what you've got.
I actually enjoy the hate when I pull out my coffee pot and start brewing. You can see people desperate for a real coffee but are to proud to accept a little luxury can make trip so much better. I raise my hot coffee in solidarity with your hot shower.
i paid only 8 bucks for my titanium long handled spoon. i spent 10 or 11 bucks fo r my long handled aluminum spork. my long handled plastic shake spoon from steak n shake was free and weighs about a third of either
A little while ago I started carrying a wool blanket instead of a sleeping bag, mainly because it cost $80 and the only bag I had was a 20° bag for car camping. I didn’t need anything super warm so i picked up a surplus 100% wool blanket. I haven’t weighed it but it’s probably 4lbs, including the lightweight tarp that I paid $5 for to wrap it in, as I carry it on the outside of my pack strapped underneath. I’ve slept in it down to about 40°F and it’s super comfy, but the only way I’d be able to get away with the weight I carry is with a frame pack - which I got on clearance for about half price. Unless my everything gives out though, I can’t foresee giving it up for a long time, because with it wrapped in a tarp with a strap around it it also makes a great sit pad, I can wear it like a cloak as an extra layer of warmth if I need to, and if I don’t need it for the warmth it makes a great little mattress on top of my thermarest pad.
I don’t want to be afraid of bumping a bush or a limb and putting a hole in an expensive tent. I have a North Face Stormbreak I use with my kids. I think it’s made of 68 or 70 silpoly. It was $170 on sale for a three person tent. The trade off is it weighs about 6 pounds. I split the weight up between us so no one is carrying too much. Light tents may be 20 d or less thick.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I am so tired of certain TH-camrs preaching that we should ALL pack like them. They won't come out and actually SAY it, but we know they MEAN it. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
Of course the tell you to only buy what they use. How do you think social begging works. Never forget what maryellen rottencrotch uses in her area could very possibly kill you in your area. Where I live my number one concern is water. My number 2 concern is where I can replenish my water. It is actually better for me in some areas to carry a can of soup instead of freeze dried. Best advice I could give you is if someone on the internet tells you what you should have, wait six months then have a look on internet markets. If said wonder product has no listing's its garbage and is a complete failure. If it has lots of listing's it's slightly better garbage. If it has a couple of listing's at close to retail it's worth checking out the cheaper brands to see if it is actually worth carrying. What good is a sleeping bag that's rated to -25°C when a sleeping bag liner by itself is to hot. True story about exactly this sort of thing. Many years ago a foreign tourist became lost, about a week later he was found close to death from dehydration. What completely stunned the rescuers was this person was found dying of thirst with his feet soaking in 150000L of fresh water. A local got lost in similar circumstances was found 3 months later suffering mild malnutrition. The tourist was repeatedly told don't drink dirty water. The local knew water is life. Local knowledge can save your life, general knowledge can kill you. Contact local groups and find out from locals what you actually need and what is ballast.
I went on a trip to Spain for the MotoGP, didn't know I'd be camping, Decathlon to the rescue! Went and got kitted out for 2 for less than the cost of one night in a hotel in Valencia... Shame we were hand luggage only or I'd have brought the tent back, in the end we gave it to a French group who had kept us in wine and cheese for the weekend. Super kit.
Great video John! Yeah I agree with you that it takes time before you learn what gear works for you. Decathlon sounds like a cool company. Hope your knee is getting better.
Yes. And I totally agree on carrying a frame pack unless just doing a summer day hike. I started backpacking with a canvas Trapper Nelson on a bent plywood frame, the pack weight alone equals some people's base weight, but that was a much better carry than a frameless pack in those days. Moving to an aluminum Skyline frame was a huge step up even with the same pack.
I actually used to work at decathlon here in the Netherlands and have a tent from them. It looks a little bit like the MSR Hubba hubba, though it is a little bit heavier. They also have merino wool clothing that work great!
After all my research & watching a million hiker videos...buy once, cry once, happy for a lifetime- Fjallraven. If Fjallraven makes the gear, that’s how I’m gonna go. That’s the camp I’m in. I wear it, use it, on the daily. “Never feel cold again,” ...100% true. My big 2 are Danner & Fjallraven- like U said, they just work for me.
This is great. I occasionally go for an overnighter or three day in the backcountry with just a poncho that doubles as a crappy shelter. It's all about the experience, gear is just something that helps the experience.
@@john_kelley mines old military surplus. Like, the heavy silnylon with snaps. If I'm sleeping on the ground I don't mind just having a poncho, but if I'm doing just about anything else I prefer my hennessy hammock. Loving the channel bro, keep up the good work!
I get everything cheap, on sale or secondhand but never used 😁 I love it, just keep searching and be patient! Happy trails! But my one true luxury is my Helinox Chair Zero! Love it and it goes with me all the time 😁
One related note from personal experience regarding the Decathlon puffer so many are commenting about. It's a foreign company, but my experience is to not go more than maybe one size larger than the size you usually get. I'm about 50" around the chest and thought I might need to go up to the 3XL as per the size chart. It's not a mistake because I can still wear it outside of other gear when I'm summiting, but it's too big to just wear as clothing in other cases or on its own as a jacket. Fortunately, you can get the everyday puffer for $20 at Walmart (obviously not down). I actually still have one I got at Penney's for $20 about five years ago, and it will be my first insulative layer on my next ascent. :)
And even if you are using a big tall bag for your food, as you eat you can cut the bag down with your knife. That's what I usually do. PS- I love that you will actually tell people if they don't like your video to give it the thumbs down. No one does that. Bravo. Thumbs up from me.
I am looking at getting an Outdoor Vitals pack that is over 3 pounds lighter than my Kelty. I agree with what you say about spending. You lhave to measure it out. I want to start carrying a chair. I'm going to be 62 this summer and I'm going to spend some money to save probably 7 pounds with my pack, tent, and sleeping gear. I want to keep my wife's load light and I am not scared of 30 or more pounds when we need to carry a lot of water. Keep it up. Just subbed.
A lot of my gear was gear that i borrowed from my parents. My base wight was about 30lbs but it was totally good enough to get out and go backpacking. I found something that I love doing. Now when I have the spare cash i upgrade to lighter and warmer gear. I could never have got in to the sport if it weren't for the adorable but heavy start i had
I love framed packs. The only place I want to carry a frameless pack is in a cave. For caving it's just not practical because half the time you're not wearing the pack, you are pushing it in front of you or dragging it behind you. If it weren't for that I'd carry a framed pack everywhere.
As always in your videos you provide great advice. Hike your own hike. I'm a veteran and love military surplus gear and as you well know it's not meant to be ultralight. However, with experience, trial and error, you figure out what works best for you. Backpacking weight is a consideration if you're doing a strenuous hike, say on mountain trails, but it should never be a primary consideration when it comes to safety and your personal comfort level. For instance, your chair may weigh 2 pounds versus a Thermarest sit pad which weighs just ounces. If carrying a chair for your camp comfort is what you want, go for it. I love having a comfortable pillow and a camp chair so I will sacrifice weight and pack space to have them. As far as eating utensils, I love using chopsticks and mine are aluminum; and they double as close in fighting weapons, too :). The only dyneema product I own is a bear bag line.
Truth. As with EVERYTHING in life, there is a balance to be struck. Mors Kochanski said "the more you know the less you carry, and, the less you carry the more you enjoy the hike." That's mostly true. Sometimes you might enjoy the hike more with the added weight of a luxury item like a chair. But generally, he is right. A beginning backpacker may not have enough knowledge to either trim weight or make an informed decision on whether to bring the extra weight of a luxury item. But the less weight a beginner takes the more likely s/he is to enjoy the experience. So, I would advise a beginning backpacker to invest in lightweight (not necessarily super-expensive, ultra-light weight) options for the big 3: Tent, bedding and backpack. Then fill in with the cheap stuff. Set a target weight limit and don't go over it when making decisions on what to bring. If they don't enjoy the experience, there is a market for their used gear where they can recoup most of the cost. If they do enjoy it, they are on their way to acquiring the knowledge necessary to dial in the weight, up or down, they are willing to carry.
I do love gear. And I love expensive gear! BUT most of the time I buy everything on sale. I have a pair of orange pants that are ugly as hell but they were 80% off! I have so many stories about getting gear for cheap or even free. What people need to remember is that when you start with cheap crappy gear and it fails, that’s a story. If your gear works all of the time, there isn’t a story to go with it. The stories are what’s fun to sit around the fire at night and talk about. I have to remember that sometimes myself - to let my gear get wet or get burned or to let it not hold weight and break. Then, not only so you have a story, but you get to buy more and better gear! Upgrading is half the fun!
Great video John! More importantly, great message. It’s so easy to get caught up in the gear game. Thanks for giving some honest, down to earth advice.
My Lixada titanium spoon cost $8 (less than the UCO) and weighs 0.6oz plus it came with a bag that was perfect for my tent stakes. I tried to balance everything carefully for my first backpack setup. Weight and price were the 2 biggest factors. The single most expensive part was the Gatewood Cape for Six Moon Designs, followed by the used Sub Nero DCF pack. With those 2 items removed no other item cost more than $80.
Hope you had a good hike on Tuesday if you still made it out, we hit up Dog Slaughter falls today and was so worth it . Was able to set up my new hammock for the first time and napped in it a few hours for testing before our first overnight in the RRG.
@@john_kelley well I hope he's feeling better, but your right kids first. No we didn't get on the Sheltowee we started on the Dog Slaughter trail its was only about a miles hike in. We wanted to hike there from Cumberland falls last time we were out there but we already had about ten miles in and didn't want to make it a 30 mile day lol
Most of my gear is from Decathalon because in Croatia we don't have a lot of choices and I'm happy with everything. I was able to completely gear up for backpacking/camping/bushcrafting for $200 ....not counting my backpack. I went through 3 of them before finding the right one.
here's an awesome pack...3.5 pounds but a sweet price and a 10 year warranty. easy to adjust and very comfortable suspension system. favorite pack in 20 plus years. From Decathlon and out of stock but worth the wait if on a budget or not. Forclaz Trek 100 Easyfit, 50 L Hiking Backpack, Men's Regular price:$89.99
Totally agree about the fact we don’t need brand named piece of garnements. I would like to add that you can also go for second hand shop to find some treasures ! I have found some really good base layer, fleece or even down jacket for less 10 bucks. Even Decthlon can’t beat it :) If you’re really into it, you can even go to the seconde hand shop by foot 🤘🏼
Just getting started. I don’t have any gear. I’m disabled with serious health problems. I was paralyzed many years ago and fought to get to this place in life where I can take care of myself. If I don’t fight back and move my body then I’m going to be in a wheelchair soon. I’m disabled but out hiking because it’s a dream that have always had and did as a young man. When you’ve experienced what I have you give up on a lot of dreams. I don’t have the means to buy this equipment I’ve watched on videos. I recently picked up a couple of pair of shorts at Costco that are hikers shorts and I feel like a multi-millionaire wearing them. My son bought me some Altra Lone Peak shoes and I have 8 miles on them now. I’m carrying an 8 dollar pack like you would wear to school. I really want to start doing overnights. I have a cheap hammock, like 30 dollars I think. I just absolutely love my life getting to be in the woods. It didn’t look like I was going to have much of a future left and here I am out hiking and smiling while I’m doing it.
Thank you for this video. As someone new getting into backpacking, it truly is good to know all of this. The sheer amount of choices available when it comes to hiking and backpacking gear can be very overwhelming for newcomers. When trying to discuss gear options with those who are far more experienced, one of the things I've noticed is that those people tend to recommend EXPENSIVE gear. It is absolutely very good quality. But for someone just getting into this, I would not recommend purchasing super expensive stuff when you don't know for sure if you're going to stick with it. Nearly everything I've purchased so far has been "budget" probably, or stuff that I found at a really awesome sale price. I managed to get a real nice Gregory pack on clearance, for half the price of say, the Osprey Aura 65 AG. It is worth taking the time to research gear and websites. Read product reviews, they can contain valuable insight into possible issues with sizing or whatnot. REI sales can be a great way to get name brand clothing and other gear at discounted prices. I've also bought clothing from Decathlon and another company called Mountain Warehouse, both of which offer very budget friendly clothing as well as some that's a bit more expensive. Quality from both companies has been very satisfactory. Despite the pandemic, shipping times from both companies were excellent and I would recommend both businesses to anyone looking for good quality budget gear. However, if I had to recommend one thing that it probably pays to spend a little more money on, it's rain gear.
Realistically, rain gear, footwear, and backpacks need to be more about how they fit you than about how expensive they are. Those things can make or break your trip, your gear, and affect if your body gets injured.
1) Don't be afraid to click on the Used Gear tab on REI's site as well. The down side is that if you have a return, you have to ship it back. You can't take it into a local store. 2) REI garage sales are where I get ALL of my pricier sleep pads. If it looks pretty cherry and has a vague tag like "small leak" then you can pick it up for about $10, buy a $5 repair kit and fix it yourself. I've gotten four pads that way. I was able to fix every one of them. 3) The basic rule of thumb I've found is to save on clothing and "smalls" so that you can spend a little more on the Big Three stuff at some point. Ex Officio underwear is great, but do you need underwear to last 6 years? A good ventilated Hanes works fine. Merino wool base layers are great but they don't last as long as Russell Athletic L2 base layers from Walmart. The main difference we actually care about is that polyester will hold onto stink. Then again, should you not be smelly after a day of hiking? DO spend $20/pair for socks, though. I go with Darn Tough all day, every day, for hiking. Don't scrimp on your socks. But you only need two pair and they have a lifetime warranty. :)
excelent video. I would like to add one item ( well, more of a category) to what you have said. Knife steel snobbery. so many people on you tube and face book and other sources are going on and on ad nauseum about how if you don't have the latest, most expensive knife steel it will crumble while you use it to spread butter on your toast. I have 1 very expensive knife, with a "super steel" ( it was a gift, by the way) it is an LT Wright Bushcrafter in CPM 3V. and it is outstanding. I will never say it isn't. but it was very expensive, and even that is lower end of the mid-custom range I also have knives by Becker (BK series made by Ka Bar) Tops, Mora, and even a few older Schrade (before their quality dropped) and I would trust my life to most of those equally with my LT Wright. I am 53 years old, when I was a kid 440C was the amazing steel. now people slam it as being the worst trash you can buy. what changed?? they got glammered by the catch phrase "super steel" same with folders. why the heck do people intending on hard working a folder need S30VN for $500 when a well made 440c, or 8CR blade will do the job for under $40? enough on knives... don't get me started on the mithril.. oh, sorry I meant titanium products that the hollyweird hype has made seem like a "forged by the gods" material that is 400% better than any mere mortal materials.
I always come back to the idea that what works best for you is what works best for you. People tend to get caught up in their opinions, myself included, and we forget just how trivial these things are.
I bought a ROHAN jacket about 30 years ago, it cost me all of my 'spare' wages that month after my household bills - and it was in the sales! I was at the bottom of a poorly salaried job but even then I wondered what I had done. Well, that thing has kept me almost completely dry for nearly 30 years. Yep - 30 years. Washed and re-proofed about four or five times. Kept me dry even with a backpack on when everyone else was soaked. it had features I didnt like but proved to be the best ever, and packed into one of its own pockets be stuffed into a cargo pants pocket. Sadly I had to finally retire it the other week. I replaced the zip a few years ago, but I cant re-hem the cuffs........ PS I am in the UK and I believe ROHAN is a UK company. Sadly they dont make that jacket anymore.
I went from a surplus Alice pack to an Osprey Atmos because it feels better. It still weighs probably twice what many carry empty but it’s tough. I went from an old Coleman single burner stove to a isobutane most of the time. Still rocking my 40 yr old Camp 7 down bag. I can’t constantly change gear. Use what you’ve got if it works.
I'm an experienced backpacker (maybe I too should set up a TH-cam site😅) but seriously I think when it comes to backpack weight, there's a lot of body adaptation going on, so although you will see the difference on the scale, you shouldn't feel it in the trail. I have both frame and frameless backpacks. There is a place for both and I don't think frame backpack will EVER become obsolete!
John. This is one of the best videos I’ve seen. I’m just starting out hiking/ backpacking and I’m buying all the expensive gear. A hyperlite backpack. A Biolite headlamp. Fortunately money isn’t a great concern. However, I may go hiking and decide I don’t like it. So thank you for this video. Now o don’t feel so compelled to go straight to the top
Man this is a great video. I have a co-worker who thinks he needs to get the top-of-the-line gear. I tell him the same thing man sometimes you don't need the expensive gear for camping. I tell him pay for what you need not for what you want. He paid $50 for some plate to put his food on & and I paid $ 5 /10 from Walmart for my plates to put my food on. Again great video man thank you for sharing.
Excellent video, very important information, I was on the fence with the frameless packs because everyone seems to be using them, but I think I will keep my trusty frame pack and save myself the money hahaha
Glad it was helpful! I just went with the whole narrative that it was the next step in my backpacking. I'm just glad it was a backpack I won, and not one I spent money on.
Ya, I'm not an ultra light backpacker haha. I'm very weight conscious but I love my luxury and comfort ounces! Chair, saw, e-tool, nice thick sleeping pad, 2 pillows, fire starter cubes... I'm a bodybuilder and weekend warrior so whether I'm 15lbs or 30lbs, doesn't make a difference to me haha.
I don't use stuff sacks other than zipp locks. Sometimes for a particular sleeping bag. You can save 1/2 to a pound not using stuff sacks. // The trick with a frame less pack in shifting weight is filling the pack so its a solid bundle. If its solid, it becomes the frame.
@@john_kelley I learned years ago to sweat the small stuff. I've saved lbs in my carry weight which makes backpacking for myself so much easier. Sub ten lb base is always my goal. I own no ultralight gear other than my Sierra Designs bivy. Much easier, cheaper, and lighter to use than a tent.
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Blasphemer! How dare you tell me not to listen to Dan Becker! I only buy things because he tells me to. And as soon as he tells me to use something different, I do that too. Now I even have an e-bike because he told me to. It took me 4 months to even watch your video because I was binging at the TH-cam altar of Dan Becker. There is only one being above Dan and that is Clapton, because Clapton is god. You ‘re canceled! #DanBecker
This is now a pinned comment! 😂😂😂
I know im randomly asking but does anyone know of a way to log back into an Instagram account??
I stupidly forgot the login password. I appreciate any help you can give me!
@Westley Titan Instablaster =)
Dan is a weekend backpacker that is out of shape (have a look at some of his video where he runs after his fellow hikers because he is so out of shape) and he is not a true hiker in the real sense of the word, he is a comedian that enjoys going out once in a while!
@@labellaescrima1996 I know Dan personally, and he is very much a backpacker. I’ve hiked with Dan, and he very much is a backpacker and outdoorsman. I’m pretty sure he probably gets out more than you do.
Sorry but if you don't carry a big cottage brand personalized ultralight frameless dyneema spork, you're not a REAL backpacker.
Hahahahahaha!
hahahah
Nope. Guess I'm an anime character then, maybe Dr. Stone.
Wait...there is a spork in Dyneema...? I’m getting one...crap...Doug was messing with me...😏🤣
Nah. You just won't get to ironically be let into the "hiker trash" club. 🤣
“You don’t need this gear”
“Let me tell you how awesome this gear is you don’t need”
I spend way to much money on this stuff.....
Same. I switched out my UL pack for an Osprey. It got to the point where I just wanted to be comfortable when I had to carry more water in dry areas and have a lifetime warranty. I don’t even feel like I’m carrying anything with the Osprey even though the pack itself is 2x the weight of my old pack.
I can basically sum up this video pretty easily: You can use whatever gear you want and don't let the fact you enjoy watching hundreds of gear videos on TH-cam make you feel pressured to buy "better gear".
Yeah, deep down we all know this but it's our commercialist society that kind of perpetuates this drive to buy more, to buy better, to continue to seek approval through purchasing.
I found out that when you set up your Dynema tent in the dark and accidentally put all your weight onto a trekking pole that with the pointy end on your tent floor, it ain't quite so strong. I was bragging to my son that my tent only weighed 24 oz. He replied that it really weighed $600. So yeah, if you're lucky and late in your career and can afford it, it's good, but not essential.
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So nice to hear someone say this, I know I definitely have felt pressured to buy things in the past because I felt what I had wasn't good enough.
Don't let the pressure get to you. Buy what you need and want. Don't worry about everyone else.
I have 30k + backpacking miles on 4 continents. You are the only vlogger that I've subscribed too. You keep it simple, honest and good advice. I point inexperienced backpackers to your channel. Keep it up.
Thanks so much, Matt!
I think the most important point is that you should base what gear you upgrade on your actual experiences on the trail, and be careful to sort out those feelings about wanting new gear that come from actual experiences from those feelings that come from seeing cool gear online and getting excited over it. We all do the latter, and sometimes it's good to splurge on cool high-quality stuff, but the most important factor is _what do I actually, really feel a need to change in my gear set-up when I am actually using it_
Dyneema is the trade name for PET, what plastic bottles are made of. It is strong, but also has a very low melting point, and is very Susceptible to UV radiation. It breaks down much quicker in direct sunlight than nylon or other synthetics. If you are an experienced climber, you know not to trust an old dyneema sling that has been in the sun for months. So it simply does not last as long, especially for tents and things that are exposed to sunlight. Basically, they have great marketing that make people think it is more wonderful than it is.
Titanium..... light and strong, but has much lower conductivity than steel or aluminium. That means if you are using it to cook, you need substantially more heat (= fuel) than if you used alu or steel, which are marginally heavier. The German Alpine Club tested this and found titanium was not worth it- the added weight of fuel needed far overweighed the weight saved by using titanium. Companies count on people not understanding physics.
Biomass users carry no fuel.
@@allemander In that case they're good. Well, they will still need more fuel and time to cook, but if it is abundant I guess that is OK. I guess you mean these are trips in woodland in which you find old wood and make a small fire. So for that I guess it is fine. But if, for example, you are in a rocky or glaciated area, or in winter, and need gas, petrol or alcohol for the stove, titanium is not a good idea.
Interesting, very interesting. Thanks for that.
I don't have Titanium Cooking Gear. The eye-watering prices would make it difficult to use with tears streaming down my face.
Interesting
Your points are all right on, John. I did a lot of backpacking as a teenager, then didn’t do it for decades. Now, my son is old enough to want to get into it, so I’m outfitting myself again. Fortunately, I’m not a complete beginner, but I started from scratch with gear a couple years ago.
I tend to be easy on stuff, and I take good care of it, so I keep it forever. Because of that, I tend to do a ton of research, and try to by quality stuff the first time. With everything, not just backpacking gear.
There are so many choices in gear now, you have to try some stuff to know what you really want. (Tent or hammock, bag or quilt, 1p or 2p tent, tons of pockets or simple backpack.). And then some of those things have endless variations. I can’t afford to go high end, then keep replacing stuff.
But, if you go too low end, while you’re trying stuff out, you might not have a very enjoyable experience. It can be a really difficult getting started if you don’t have someone who will lend you stuff in the beginning.
The trick is to find quality gear that won't break the bank, and allows you to screw it up without feeling super guilty for ruining an expensive piece of gear.
Definitely. I’m a master at finding last year’s model, picking the odd color that’s on sale, or waiting for REI sales.
Shoes are about the only thing I will pay full price, because sometimes you just need them when you need them. That said, if I like a particular style, I’ll buy a second pair of the same shoe when they hit clearance prices and save them til the first wears out.
This is my experience, lots as a kid then just started again last year at 41.
It's a minefield.
One thing I have realised is the weight of stuff I used to be prepared to carry was absolutely crazy. I bought a single person tent for winter hiking (wife's not interested, Fairweather hiker, fair enough) and it weighs 1.8kg all-in which is ok but not super light. I took a hit on weight because price/features.
I think the tent I used to use 25 years ago probably weighed double.
@Jon Sanford: I could not have said it better myself!👍
Yeah, you can also cut the top of the bag down and eliminate the need for a long handled spork.
Go away with your logic.
I usually carry a small Swiss army knife, which has scissors, so do exactly that.
Saved few mg from that handle for sure
I always just rolled it down.
To be fair, you have to mix it up initially and it would be impractical to cut it right away.
(I'm on your side btw, just playing devil's advocate)
Be the pickiest, and most willing to spend, on...shoes. And socks.
Although I’m a knife guy… like have 10 LTWKs and never use them cause I love a mora for “backpacking”- I agree 110%. Shoes. Socks. Extra socks. Spend the money. It is worth it. Did the MD challenge last year in 16.5 hours. Zero blisters…. Used my knife zero times. Used my shoes every step.
If money were no object, what are the best shoes and socks to invest in?
@@Danr07 for the shoes….that’s really not gonna be something that anyone can answer for you. It’s gonna be about personal preference and what works with your anatomy as well as what your expectations vs use may be. I will recommend darn tough socks though. They’re the best socks for sure.
@@erickmo1188 Yeah, shoes are definitely subjective. I guess what I’m asking about is more related to quality and durability rather than preferred fit or comfort. I’ll look into those socks though.
@@Danr07 got ya, well I can attest to the quality and customer service of both merrells and Salomon. I’ve even had Salomon send replacement shoes when a seam on theirs failed. No if’s ands or butts. They stood by their product. But these are both brands in the low- medium price ranges. If you go up another 50-100 bucks, a lot of other great brands become attainable.
Thanks for being real in this one! A lot of friends that I talk to about backpacking always complain about it being so expensive to spend a night in the woods!
Nice CTUG plug!!
Paria Outdoor Products. They are probably the best "quality to weight to cost" ratio company around. Their customer service is outstanding and the best part is a lifetime warranty on ALL of their gear. Devin has done several videos on their products. I highly recommend them for starting out backpacking.
Uniqlo is a Japanese company that has several products that are outstanding for backpacking. The Ultra Light Down jacket is around 9oz, comes with a stuff sack, and you can get it on sale for $29. I've worn mine with a generic fleece underneath in the low 30s for hours on end. The Airism line is perfect for staying cool and the Heattec base layers come in three different thicknesses. Just remember these are Japanese sizes, so they run small compared to Western sizes.
Don't forget to check out pawn shops and thrift stores (Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc). I picked up my brand new Pocket Rocket 2 at a pawn shop for $20.
Great stuff, Greg! Thanks for the info!
I second this Greg!
Came here to recommend Paria as well, good call. I bought a tent from them last year and had a few questions. Their customer service was top notch!
@@keithlong6253 When you know, you know. Which tent do you have?
The Paria quilt and sleeping pad are top notch!
It's true what he's saying... if you seek out the real experts in ultralight backpacking, you'll see they often cobble together some really weird but durable bits of often home made kit, that have nothing to do with brands....and are just pure innovation....
I feel like outlet stores are a very underappreciated place to get reasonably priced gear for backpacking/hiking. So many big name companies like Columbia (my personal favorite), North Face, Nike, Under Armour, Merrell, and Eddie Bauer (super underrated, btw) have outlet stores where you can get their gear for significantly less than the normal retail price. My favorite fleece from Columbia was $22, and it is basically always in my pack. My boyfriend's three in one Columbia puffy-rain jacket combo was less than $100 and can be worn down to 10 F.
Does not half the gear 'guilt' come from the fact that every youtuber says things like "its ok to use this when starting out" followed by bigging up all the big brands they own! Surely if its ok to start with its always going to be ok!
100% all the time!
Well said. Buy gear to get you out there, see if you like it and then replace later. Eventually you will have enough to cover a friend who might want to get out but can’t afford gear.
I've actually got a buddy who is out on a trip this weekend, and he's using some of my gear. LOL
Ironically, I could not afford a traditional pack, and was going weekend hiking with a cheap backpack which had almost all the weight on the shoulders.
Used to carry about 20-24lb.
Then I tried frame-less (I borrowed) and was - meh - felt the same as the old crap I had.
Then I got one of those "traditional ones" - and was - oh boy - you barely feel the weight.
Yep .. that's what hips are for .. to carry the load.
I made my own long-handled spork by soldering two spoons together! I used a Dremel to cut the tines. I spent $1 on it at the DollarTree. And my food bowl was a 2 LB margarine tub: free!
My first pack had a frame, and I got it at J.C. Penny's for $29! I only had to add a hip-belt. Decent gear doesn't have to cost much, but be wary of buying cheap junk.
I still use my nylon stuff-bag, that I bought in 1980 for $4. It doubles as my pillow.
I agree.. You don't "need" these things, but research and videos help you to pick what's best for you!
Good message! I have used military surplus and budget brands for years: in most weathers, most terrains, absolutely brilliant, love it. I'll be out with my new Lanshan 2 tent, military backpack, and a synthetic sleeping bag next month. Can't. Wait.
I check out what gear mountain troops are issued and you can get great quality stuff reasonably lightweight if you do a little research.
@@keithlong6253 excellent plan, or find out what they replace their issued kit with: that's often a sweet spot.
Nice! The Lanshan 2 is a great tent.
@@john_kelley there's some great cheap kit these days, genuinely excited. It's a palace!
@@KirstenBayesExactly! In my case I contacted polartec directly and they answered all my questions and directed me to suppliers etc., based on what I was looking for. I tested it out in our epic Texas snow storm and it performed better than I had hoped.
you are a breath of fresh air sir! Decathalon rocks, in the UK its huge.
Thanks! I'm pretty impressed with them
@@john_kelley I had a tent for over a decade from them. There clothes are great and I use the down jackets because for the price they are great.
I visited an REI store recently and almost laughed out loud at some of the prices for clothing. If I’m going to pay $140 for a fleece sweater then it for darned sure needs to have been made in the USA by an American worker. I feel no guilt about buying the no-name version at 1/4 the price if both were made in the same overseas sweatshops. In fact, I refuse to reward the expensive brands that are selling essentially the same product made in the same outsourced factories.
REI has terrible prices
AMEN to that Sean! Some of my best gear has been bought at thrift stores!
Shop using ActiveJunky and other cash back sites. Buy Moosejaw, Mountain Steals, Backcountry, Steep and Cheap, Campsaver, SunnySports, Backcountrygear etc etc.
Noobs shop at REI and MEC mostly. Poor prices and weak sales. Only thing I buy at REI is the garage sales (which you will have no warranty since manufacturers will refuse to warranty garage sale items) and the $2 Kovea butane/propane cartridges.
Well said Sean!
You're a true hero ... and have no idea WTF you're talking about.
Thanks John! Many people (myself included) needed this video. I recently went from day-hiker to backpacker, and at first I let myself get roped into the "this youtuber says this is the gear I need" mindset. I'm now on my third backpack since I started in February, and I think I have finally found the right one for me. I'm now always on the search for something budget instead of the "best of the best" according to influencers. I will be thru-hiking the AT in 2023, and I honestly could see my budget setup working just as well as the couple thousand dollar setups that I've seen so many say that I need.
Something you didn't mention that would really help a beginner: As you said, dialing in your gear can take some time, and you will find things that just don't work for you. An REI membership is only like 40 bucks, and I guarantee I've saved tons more than that because of their 1 year return policy for members. Try it, don't like it, return it and try something else. Plus you get 10% of your money back every year...can't go wrong, and makes dialing in your gear so much easier!
For those wanting to go ultralight, the Aegismax Nano 2 down sleeping bag is solid, compact, and light - $95 with coupons off AliExpress. The mier / lanshan 1 or 2 ultralight tent goes for $100-$135 on Amazon, and is a favorite with AT / PCT through hikers who don’t want to spend hundreds on the zpacks version. There’s always cheaper options, but this is a nice entry point for ultralight gear without spending hundreds per item.
Great options!!!
Just did a video on this issue. your video is so humble. in essence is just get out there and experience the outdoors no matter the cost of your gear.
Totally agree about frameless packs. They're awesome if you're BW is around 5-8lbs like I do and are doing more fastpacking than backpacking (thus less food required). But they certainly are an ultralight only type thing
The uco switch spoon knife fork combo for $4ish at Walmart is amazing. Compact, light, durable, long handle when needed! I have several, even in my work lunchbox!
My first frameless pack was the ULA CDT, and I was at a total pack weight of like 25lbs. I was miserable all weekend. Switched to the Mariposa and never looked back.
Many thumbs up John! You hit the spot! Many yt influencers that claimed to be independent and don't paddle gears are actually paddling sponsored expensive gears that they claimed purchased with their own $$. Anyone can gears up for < $350 or even less,with total weight of @ 25-28lb and go enjoy hiking. Even if the weight > 30lb is still ok. I met a single mom who carried >50lb hiking with her child and have a blast! I have never own any expensive gears. My tent was from Big 5 on sales with coupon for $32, 2.5lb, single wall, Cheap floor mat 9oz. from Amazon for
I think this is good stuff for new backpackers to hear. My niece has recently gotten into backpacking but she doesn't have a lot of money to spend on gear, so I've handed some things down to her to help her get started. I've really been expressing to her a lot of what you are saying. Don't feel like you have to have all the best gear right away or ever really. Sometimes you can find gear or backpacking clothing at thrift stores. I found a thermarest sleeping pad at the goodwill for 5 dollars and it doesn't leak at all. You don't have to bring dehydrated meals. Sure they are convenient but there are many things in a standard house hold pantry that would work just fine. Box macn cheese, dried refried beans and a tortilla. These kinds of meals are inexpensive and get the job done just as well as a dehydrated meal.
I love my Osprey Exos 48. It's been all over the world with me and it's so comfortable. My baseweight is 12lbs give or take, but I would never replace my pack with a frameless one. It allows me to pack out anything from beer to avocados to cheese, and I can do big water carries comfortably if I need.
John I absolutely love and extremely respect the purpose of the video. Huge props but I'm going to put in my 2 cents.
If DCF is waterproof the DCF stuff sack doubles as a water collection device.
Bagged meals can also be cut so they're not as tall and easy to use a regular fork/spoon.
Always test your gear, and there are going to be items that are going to have that aren't ultralight. Just like your steak I carry an MSR seagull pot/pan and the metal UCO fork/spoon and my swiss army knife among other things.
I'm looking forward to many more videos and I'll be checking out your previous content. Came here from Dan Becker but I think I watch more of your videos for reasons like this video. Big props again.
Great video! I own a couple items where I said buy once cry once, but do own budget items also. I use the Decathlon down jacket and love it.
Thank you for the informative videos. I'm new to backpacking. Just bought my first hammock & tarp from Go outfitters. Ordered my underquilt yesterday. I can't wait to get out and use them.
Nice! Glad to see you’re getting out there.
I've hiked in all kinds of packs, old school external aluminum frame, internal plastic frame and UL frameless. The Internal frame and frameless give me the dreaded swamp back. I was recommended The Osprey Exos and for me its amazing.
As someone who has back-packed for a few years now, I agree with you on most points. My setup is very mixed, everything from the cheapest possible to really expensive gear. For me, anything that can easily break, get lost, or torn up is something I don't want to spend a lot of money on. At the same time, I feel a good quality sleeping bag and backpack is a must-have for me, and by buying a good quality one right away I save money in the long run because I don't have to replace it down the line. Never going to get a frameless one tho, I like carrying a lot of weight and not thinking about it too much.
I also think it's important to acknowledge backpacking gear can be used outside of the backcountry as well. When I buy a jacket for example I make sure it's usable both in the backcountry and daily, no reason to have different rain jackets or puffies for daily/hiking.
Same! I'll spend on the big items but even then it's sort of medium spend on tent & sleeping bag. Boots and rain jacket is normally the biggest ones for me, seems necessary in Scotland. It's a beautiful thing to walk for 6 hours in epic rain/snow and still have dry feet and core.
I think it is good to find a way in between. Some important gear from higher quality, combined with budget gear. I am backpacking for years. This year I bought a Zpacks tent (for which I have been saving for 3 years), but also a Decathlon down jacket. A name doesn't mean anything. Make sure the gear works for you and makes your hikes to a succes. Checking sales also helps a lot.
Yes to all of that.
I agree about cottage gear companies that’s why I like Hammock Gear for quilts and tarps. I also agree with your evaluation of DCF. I just can’t pull the trigger with those prices. Sil poly is just fine with me. Thanks for your help
I never thought id use a bivy. Got the Hilleberg "Bivanorak" about a month ago, and i *really* like the small packsize. Getting raingear, a bivy, and windbreaker, in 1 piece that that fits in the side pockets on my cargo pants, allows me to use a *much* smaller backpack than if i want to bring my Duplex tent. Other bivys look very small and restricting, and i can just imagine how every breath will quickly make the air "un-fresh". With the Bivanorak you sleep with your head in the hood, and arms in the sleeves, and so you have all the fresh air you could dream of, and you can sit up and cook food, and dont feel more restricted than you do in rainponcho. The small footprint allows me to set up camp almost anywhere, and if i use a closed cell foam pad, it only takes a minute to set up camp. If it starts raining, i can just roll over on the side, and the hood will keep me dry - although it is probably best to set up camp underneath a tree, so it will take care of most of the rain. I have not tried it in the rain yet, but i read about others who said they used it without a tarp, underneat a tree, so im guessing it is fully waterproof. It was designed for the Sweedish air force, so it is probably meant to keep people dry for more than just a quick trip to the store. Cant believe there are so few reviews of this item on YT.
Decathlon has just opened 4 stores in 1 of the 9 provinces in my country and through it's online division is already kicking the butt of the major sports retailers. It's really high quality at affordable prices. Decathlon is going to do more for public health (by making an active lifestyle accessible) than many government authorities! 5 Stars!
I have some very nice internal frame packs. I’ll use them, but the most comfortable to carry pack for me has been a medium Alice pack. I like the airflow external frames grant, I like the bucket main pocket, and it sits and travels well for me. Whatever works for you...
You and Jeremiah are my new heroes, idols and bestfriends. The only thing I don't get from you guys is the how to with kids.
My daughter and I are super excited to get back out, and quite frankly we're broke, so we are on the budget mission.
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Thanks! I love seeing parents get out there with their kids!
Truer word have never been said.. I loved this video! I was guilty of this, I wish this video was out when I first started.
Me too! I spent soooooo much money.
Bought three spoon/fork things like that off Wish for $5 and now I have extras for when I eventually lose one. Saved money and works just as well!
Nice!
Wish products are usually blatant rip offs. I’d rather support the folks that innovated and created the item instead of the crooks who stole the idea.
@@GearreportdotCom For sure but for a backpacking beginner like me it's gathering what I can afford to get stuff. I think it's safe to say everyone who makes it through a summer and still has interest will then buy new/better stuff through those vendors who designed it all.
@@bucky716 I don't think it is safe to say that at all.
What I'm saying is that Wish shouldn't be an option for anyone with a moral compass.
What the stuff there costs is irrelevant. We shouldn't buy from them, period. They are thieves who undercut the great brands (big and small) that give us new and innovative gear options.
Spot on. Get out there and hike with what you have, and who really cares what anybody else has to say about it. That being said, there are practical reasons to buy lighter gear. I'm not getting any younger, and the last backpack I bought was my trusty Mountainsmith internal frame in 1991. I'm updating my gear and the tech available today is mind boggling. My tent + quilt + sleeping pad + (framed) backpack together weigh less than that pack by itself.
I just did exactly what you said. My new big 3 weigh less than my former external Kelty backpack. It’s crazy, but the new weight feels fantastic!
I've been watching the black camper youtube his AT thru hike. I think most of his gear is from Costco and it's holding up fine. Having a UL pack is great but if you're just starting or doing under say 10mi trips, use what you've got.
Thank you for standing up for luxury items. I was wondering how to use my solar shower secretly, so nobody saw that I brought it with me.
Unless your goal is to be as light and fast as possible, your out there to enjoy yourself. What’s wrong with a little luxury?
I actually enjoy the hate when I pull out my coffee pot and start brewing. You can see people desperate for a real coffee but are to proud to accept a little luxury can make trip so much better. I raise my hot coffee in solidarity with your hot shower.
i paid only 8 bucks for my titanium long handled spoon. i spent 10 or 11 bucks fo r my long handled aluminum spork. my long handled plastic shake spoon from steak n shake was free and weighs about a third of either
It’s amazing how nice those free spoons are.
A little while ago I started carrying a wool blanket instead of a sleeping bag, mainly because it cost $80 and the only bag I had was a 20° bag for car camping. I didn’t need anything super warm so i picked up a surplus 100% wool blanket. I haven’t weighed it but it’s probably 4lbs, including the lightweight tarp that I paid $5 for to wrap it in, as I carry it on the outside of my pack strapped underneath. I’ve slept in it down to about 40°F and it’s super comfy, but the only way I’d be able to get away with the weight I carry is with a frame pack - which I got on clearance for about half price. Unless my everything gives out though, I can’t foresee giving it up for a long time, because with it wrapped in a tarp with a strap around it it also makes a great sit pad, I can wear it like a cloak as an extra layer of warmth if I need to, and if I don’t need it for the warmth it makes a great little mattress on top of my thermarest pad.
Great video! Thank you for sharing this. I backpack with my kids and we get outdoors, can't always afford the luxury gear.
I don’t want to be afraid of bumping a bush or a limb and putting a hole in an expensive tent. I have a North Face Stormbreak I use with my kids. I think it’s made of 68 or 70 silpoly. It was $170 on sale for a three person tent. The trade off is it weighs about 6 pounds. I split the weight up between us so no one is carrying too much. Light tents may be 20 d or less thick.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I am so tired of certain TH-camrs preaching that we should ALL pack like them. They won't come out and actually SAY it, but we know they MEAN it. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
Of course the tell you to only buy what they use. How do you think social begging works. Never forget what maryellen rottencrotch uses in her area could very possibly kill you in your area. Where I live my number one concern is water. My number 2 concern is where I can replenish my water. It is actually better for me in some areas to carry a can of soup instead of freeze dried. Best advice I could give you is if someone on the internet tells you what you should have, wait six months then have a look on internet markets. If said wonder product has no listing's its garbage and is a complete failure. If it has lots of listing's it's slightly better garbage. If it has a couple of listing's at close to retail it's worth checking out the cheaper brands to see if it is actually worth carrying. What good is a sleeping bag that's rated to -25°C when a sleeping bag liner by itself is to hot. True story about exactly this sort of thing. Many years ago a foreign tourist became lost, about a week later he was found close to death from dehydration. What completely stunned the rescuers was this person was found dying of thirst with his feet soaking in 150000L of fresh water. A local got lost in similar circumstances was found 3 months later suffering mild malnutrition. The tourist was repeatedly told don't drink dirty water. The local knew water is life. Local knowledge can save your life, general knowledge can kill you. Contact local groups and find out from locals what you actually need and what is ballast.
I went on a trip to Spain for the MotoGP, didn't know I'd be camping, Decathlon to the rescue! Went and got kitted out for 2 for less than the cost of one night in a hotel in Valencia... Shame we were hand luggage only or I'd have brought the tent back, in the end we gave it to a French group who had kept us in wine and cheese for the weekend. Super kit.
Sounds like an epic trip!
Yes! Decathlon down jacket is coming with on the appalachian trail in 15 days!
This video was awesome btw
Are you thru hiking it?
Great video John! Yeah I agree with you that it takes time before you learn what gear works for you. Decathlon sounds like a cool company. Hope your knee is getting better.
Thanks Don! It’s doing much better.
Yes. And I totally agree on carrying a frame pack unless just doing a summer day hike. I started backpacking with a canvas Trapper Nelson on a bent plywood frame, the pack weight alone equals some people's base weight, but that was a much better carry than a frameless pack in those days. Moving to an aluminum Skyline frame was a huge step up even with the same pack.
I actually used to work at decathlon here in the Netherlands and have a tent from them. It looks a little bit like the MSR Hubba hubba, though it is a little bit heavier. They also have merino wool clothing that work great!
I like watching a lot of pors and cons videos, so when looking at my Amazon prime, I love reading the reviews @🤔🤗⛺
Same
lol
After all my research & watching a million hiker videos...buy once, cry once, happy for a lifetime- Fjallraven. If Fjallraven makes the gear, that’s how I’m gonna go. That’s the camp I’m in. I wear it, use it, on the daily. “Never feel cold again,” ...100% true. My big 2 are Danner & Fjallraven- like U said, they just work for me.
I think gear is a lot like shoes. Once you find your brand, you're good to go. It looks like Fjallraven is locked in for you.
This is great. I occasionally go for an overnighter or three day in the backcountry with just a poncho that doubles as a crappy shelter. It's all about the experience, gear is just something that helps the experience.
I've seen those ponchos, and they scare me. LOL. It's good to hear of someone using them with success. Hike on!
@@john_kelley mines old military surplus. Like, the heavy silnylon with snaps. If I'm sleeping on the ground I don't mind just having a poncho, but if I'm doing just about anything else I prefer my hennessy hammock. Loving the channel bro, keep up the good work!
Thanks!
I get everything cheap, on sale or secondhand but never used 😁 I love it, just keep searching and be patient! Happy trails! But my one true luxury is my Helinox Chair Zero! Love it and it goes with me all the time 😁
Hello John, thank you for sharing this very informative video. You brought out some great ideas. All the best to you. Stay healthy out there. 🤗
Thanks Ronald!
Thanks John have a great week.
One related note from personal experience regarding the Decathlon puffer so many are commenting about. It's a foreign company, but my experience is to not go more than maybe one size larger than the size you usually get.
I'm about 50" around the chest and thought I might need to go up to the 3XL as per the size chart. It's not a mistake because I can still wear it outside of other gear when I'm summiting, but it's too big to just wear as clothing in other cases or on its own as a jacket. Fortunately, you can get the everyday puffer for $20 at Walmart (obviously not down). I actually still have one I got at Penney's for $20 about five years ago, and it will be my first insulative layer on my next ascent. :)
And even if you are using a big tall bag for your food, as you eat you can cut the bag down with your knife. That's what I usually do.
PS- I love that you will actually tell people if they don't like your video to give it the thumbs down. No one does that. Bravo. Thumbs up from me.
Great idea!
I like this guy. No b.s., honest, fluff free advice
Thanks!
Gonex all the way baby! Don’t let the big brands tell you what to buy!
LOL!
I am looking at getting an Outdoor Vitals pack that is over 3 pounds lighter than my Kelty. I agree with what you say about spending. You lhave to measure it out. I want to start carrying a chair. I'm going to be 62 this summer and I'm going to spend some money to save probably 7 pounds with my pack, tent, and sleeping gear. I want to keep my wife's load light and I am not scared of 30 or more pounds when we need to carry a lot of water. Keep it up. Just subbed.
A lot of my gear was gear that i borrowed from my parents. My base wight was about 30lbs but it was totally good enough to get out and go backpacking. I found something that I love doing. Now when I have the spare cash i upgrade to lighter and warmer gear. I could never have got in to the sport if it weren't for the adorable but heavy start i had
I love framed packs. The only place I want to carry a frameless pack is in a cave. For caving it's just not practical because half the time you're not wearing the pack, you are pushing it in front of you or dragging it behind you. If it weren't for that I'd carry a framed pack everywhere.
They have their place. For me, I just prefer a frame.
I got a Decathlon Forclaz 100 puffer jacket. I paid $70 because of a specific color I wanted. It works just fine. It does runs a full size small.
Your production quality gets better and better!
Thank you!
As always in your videos you provide great advice. Hike your own hike. I'm a veteran and love military surplus gear and as you well know it's not meant to be ultralight. However, with experience, trial and error, you figure out what works best for you. Backpacking weight is a consideration if you're doing a strenuous hike, say on mountain trails, but it should never be a primary consideration when it comes to safety and your personal comfort level. For instance, your chair may weigh 2 pounds versus a Thermarest sit pad which weighs just ounces. If carrying a chair for your camp comfort is what you want, go for it. I love having a comfortable pillow and a camp chair so I will sacrifice weight and pack space to have them. As far as eating utensils, I love using chopsticks and mine are aluminum; and they double as close in fighting weapons, too :). The only dyneema product I own is a bear bag line.
An aluminum chopstick battle would be something I'd pay to see! LOL
Truth. As with EVERYTHING in life, there is a balance to be struck. Mors Kochanski said "the more you know the less you carry, and, the less you carry the more you enjoy the hike." That's mostly true. Sometimes you might enjoy the hike more with the added weight of a luxury item like a chair. But generally, he is right. A beginning backpacker may not have enough knowledge to either trim weight or make an informed decision on whether to bring the extra weight of a luxury item. But the less weight a beginner takes the more likely s/he is to enjoy the experience. So, I would advise a beginning backpacker to invest in lightweight (not necessarily super-expensive, ultra-light weight) options for the big 3: Tent, bedding and backpack. Then fill in with the cheap stuff. Set a target weight limit and don't go over it when making decisions on what to bring. If they don't enjoy the experience, there is a market for their used gear where they can recoup most of the cost. If they do enjoy it, they are on their way to acquiring the knowledge necessary to dial in the weight, up or down, they are willing to carry.
I do love gear. And I love expensive gear! BUT most of the time I buy everything on sale. I have a pair of orange pants that are ugly as hell but they were 80% off! I have so many stories about getting gear for cheap or even free. What people need to remember is that when you start with cheap crappy gear and it fails, that’s a story. If your gear works all of the time, there isn’t a story to go with it. The stories are what’s fun to sit around the fire at night and talk about. I have to remember that sometimes myself - to let my gear get wet or get burned or to let it not hold weight and break. Then, not only so you have a story, but you get to buy more and better gear! Upgrading is half the fun!
Yes! Great stuff. The stories are the best.
The hunt for a good deal is half the fun!
If I'm hiking, I WANT to look like a rainbow wearing a hodgepodge of brands!
Great video 😀 top tip, cut the top half off the packet of your meal packs once dehydrated and you don’t even need a long handled spoon 👍
Very true!
Excellent video that isn't shilling the super expensive gear. Great job
Thanks!!!
Great video John! More importantly, great message. It’s so easy to get caught up in the gear game. Thanks for giving some honest, down to earth advice.
Thanks, Steve. I was talking to a friend about this a few weeks ago, and that's what brought it on.
My Lixada titanium spoon cost $8 (less than the UCO) and weighs 0.6oz plus it came with a bag that was perfect for my tent stakes. I tried to balance everything carefully for my first backpack setup. Weight and price were the 2 biggest factors. The single most expensive part was the Gatewood Cape for Six Moon Designs, followed by the used Sub Nero DCF pack. With those 2 items removed no other item cost more than $80.
Hope you had a good hike on Tuesday if you still made it out, we hit up Dog Slaughter falls today and was so worth it . Was able to set up my new hammock for the first time and napped in it a few hours for testing before our first overnight in the RRG.
Unfortunately, my son got sick, and I was needed at home. Kids come first. Were you on the Sheltowee out there? That’s a great area.
@@john_kelley well I hope he's feeling better, but your right kids first. No we didn't get on the Sheltowee we started on the Dog Slaughter trail its was only about a miles hike in. We wanted to hike there from Cumberland falls last time we were out there but we already had about ten miles in and didn't want to make it a 30 mile day lol
Most of my gear is from Decathalon because in Croatia we don't have a lot of choices and I'm happy with everything. I was able to completely gear up for backpacking/camping/bushcrafting for $200 ....not counting my backpack. I went through 3 of them before finding the right one.
here's an awesome pack...3.5 pounds but a sweet price and a 10 year warranty. easy to adjust and very comfortable suspension system. favorite pack in 20 plus years. From Decathlon and out of stock but worth the wait if on a budget or not. Forclaz Trek 100 Easyfit, 50 L Hiking Backpack, Men's Regular price:$89.99
I’ll check it out
I just carry a long-handle spoon from my kitchen. Always worked fine for me, (I also have a regular knife and fork from my kitchen ware).
As long as it works, do it.
Totally agree about the fact we don’t need brand named piece of garnements. I would like to add that you can also go for second hand shop to find some treasures !
I have found some really good base layer, fleece or even down jacket for less 10 bucks. Even Decthlon can’t beat it :)
If you’re really into it, you can even go to the seconde hand shop by foot 🤘🏼
Love Justin Outdoors!! He is such a good role model for Canada nice! The search for awesome budget gear is fun sometimes.
#freegear 🤣
Justin is a great guy. I love his channel.
@@john_kelley your actually a role model for nice too! Southern nice right? I consider myself midwest grumpy, with a splash of nice. 🤣
@@BackpackingwithBuckley 😂😂😂 I grew up in northern Ohio and upstate NY. I’ll take it, though.
The DQ spoon trick is brilliant! And a great excuse for me to eat a few blizzards!
Just getting started. I don’t have any gear. I’m disabled with serious health problems. I was paralyzed many years ago and fought to get to this place in life where I can take
care of myself. If I don’t fight back and move my body then I’m going to be in a wheelchair soon. I’m disabled but out hiking because it’s a dream that have always had and did as a young man. When you’ve experienced what I have you give up on a lot of dreams. I don’t have the means to buy this equipment I’ve watched on videos. I recently picked up a couple of pair of shorts at Costco that are hikers shorts and I feel like a multi-millionaire wearing them. My son bought me some Altra Lone Peak shoes and I have 8 miles on them now. I’m carrying an 8 dollar pack like you would wear to school. I really want to start doing overnights. I have a cheap hammock, like 30 dollars I think. I just absolutely love my life getting to be in the woods. It didn’t look like I was going to have much of a future left and here I am out hiking and smiling while I’m doing it.
That's awesome!!!! Shoot me an email. I might have something for you.
Thank you for this video. As someone new getting into backpacking, it truly is good to know all of this. The sheer amount of choices available when it comes to hiking and backpacking gear can be very overwhelming for newcomers. When trying to discuss gear options with those who are far more experienced, one of the things I've noticed is that those people tend to recommend EXPENSIVE gear. It is absolutely very good quality. But for someone just getting into this, I would not recommend purchasing super expensive stuff when you don't know for sure if you're going to stick with it. Nearly everything I've purchased so far has been "budget" probably, or stuff that I found at a really awesome sale price. I managed to get a real nice Gregory pack on clearance, for half the price of say, the Osprey Aura 65 AG. It is worth taking the time to research gear and websites. Read product reviews, they can contain valuable insight into possible issues with sizing or whatnot.
REI sales can be a great way to get name brand clothing and other gear at discounted prices. I've also bought clothing from Decathlon and another company called Mountain Warehouse, both of which offer very budget friendly clothing as well as some that's a bit more expensive. Quality from both companies has been very satisfactory. Despite the pandemic, shipping times from both companies were excellent and I would recommend both businesses to anyone looking for good quality budget gear. However, if I had to recommend one thing that it probably pays to spend a little more money on, it's rain gear.
Realistically, rain gear, footwear, and backpacks need to be more about how they fit you than about how expensive they are. Those things can make or break your trip, your gear, and affect if your body gets injured.
1) Don't be afraid to click on the Used Gear tab on REI's site as well. The down side is that if you have a return, you have to ship it back. You can't take it into a local store.
2) REI garage sales are where I get ALL of my pricier sleep pads. If it looks pretty cherry and has a vague tag like "small leak" then you can pick it up for about $10, buy a $5 repair kit and fix it yourself. I've gotten four pads that way. I was able to fix every one of them.
3) The basic rule of thumb I've found is to save on clothing and "smalls" so that you can spend a little more on the Big Three stuff at some point. Ex Officio underwear is great, but do you need underwear to last 6 years? A good ventilated Hanes works fine. Merino wool base layers are great but they don't last as long as Russell Athletic L2 base layers from Walmart. The main difference we actually care about is that polyester will hold onto stink. Then again, should you not be smelly after a day of hiking? DO spend $20/pair for socks, though. I go with Darn Tough all day, every day, for hiking. Don't scrimp on your socks. But you only need two pair and they have a lifetime warranty. :)
excelent video. I would like to add one item ( well, more of a category) to what you have said. Knife steel snobbery. so many people on you tube and face book and other sources are going on and on ad nauseum about how if you don't have the latest, most expensive knife steel it will crumble while you use it to spread butter on your toast. I have 1 very expensive knife, with a "super steel" ( it was a gift, by the way) it is an LT Wright Bushcrafter in CPM 3V. and it is outstanding. I will never say it isn't. but it was very expensive, and even that is lower end of the mid-custom range I also have knives by Becker (BK series made by Ka Bar) Tops, Mora, and even a few older Schrade (before their quality dropped) and I would trust my life to most of those equally with my LT Wright. I am 53 years old, when I was a kid 440C was the amazing steel. now people slam it as being the worst trash you can buy. what changed?? they got glammered by the catch phrase "super steel" same with folders. why the heck do people intending on hard working a folder need S30VN for $500 when a well made 440c, or 8CR blade will do the job for under $40? enough on knives... don't get me started on the mithril.. oh, sorry I meant titanium products that the hollyweird hype has made seem like a "forged by the gods" material that is 400% better than any mere mortal materials.
I always come back to the idea that what works best for you is what works best for you. People tend to get caught up in their opinions, myself included, and we forget just how trivial these things are.
Great points. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic!
I bought a ROHAN jacket about 30 years ago, it cost me all of my 'spare' wages that month after my household bills - and it was in the sales! I was at the bottom of a poorly salaried job but even then I wondered what I had done.
Well, that thing has kept me almost completely dry for nearly 30 years. Yep - 30 years. Washed and re-proofed about four or five times. Kept me dry even with a backpack on when everyone else was soaked. it had features I didnt like but proved to be the best ever, and packed into one of its own pockets be stuffed into a cargo pants pocket.
Sadly I had to finally retire it the other week. I replaced the zip a few years ago, but I cant re-hem the cuffs........ PS I am in the UK and I believe ROHAN is a UK company. Sadly they dont make that jacket anymore.
Wow!!! You definitely got your money's worth. I've never heard of Rohan. I'll be looking into them for sure.
From the Yorkshire dales, used to pass the store each week, was it Kirby Steven ? I'm now in Belfast so assume it's still there. Good kit.
I definitely prefer a framed backpack as it provides support that a frameless doesn't. The downside is they do weigh more.
It’s a give and take for sure.
I went from a surplus Alice pack to an Osprey Atmos because it feels better. It still weighs probably twice what many carry empty but it’s tough. I went from an old Coleman single burner stove to a isobutane most of the time. Still rocking my 40 yr old Camp 7 down bag. I can’t constantly change gear. Use what you’ve got if it works.
I'm an experienced backpacker (maybe I too should set up a TH-cam site😅) but seriously I think when it comes to backpack weight, there's a lot of body adaptation going on, so although you will see the difference on the scale, you shouldn't feel it in the trail.
I have both frame and frameless backpacks. There is a place for both and I don't think frame backpack will EVER become obsolete!
John. This is one of the best videos I’ve seen. I’m just starting out hiking/ backpacking and I’m buying all the expensive gear. A hyperlite backpack. A Biolite headlamp. Fortunately money isn’t a great concern. However, I may go hiking and decide I don’t like it. So thank you for this video. Now o don’t feel so compelled to go straight to the top
Love the cottage company's UGQ, Dutchware,Dreamhammock, Broadfork, Namaclaws....few of my faves.
I know most of those. I don’t know Broadfork. I’ll look that one up.
@@john_kelley Bicycle bags.
Nice!
Man this is a great video. I have a co-worker who thinks he needs to get the top-of-the-line gear. I tell him the same thing man sometimes you don't need the expensive gear for camping. I tell him pay for what you need not for what you want. He paid $50 for some plate to put his food on & and I paid $ 5 /10 from Walmart for my plates to put my food on. Again great video man thank you for sharing.
Thanks, Mack! I always appreciate your comments!
Excellent video, very important information, I was on the fence with the frameless packs because everyone seems to be using them, but I think I will keep my trusty frame pack and save myself the money hahaha
Glad it was helpful! I just went with the whole narrative that it was the next step in my backpacking. I'm just glad it was a backpack I won, and not one I spent money on.
Truth!!!! Plus beginning backpackers won’t really know what the need or like. It always changes. 😃
Ya, I'm not an ultra light backpacker haha. I'm very weight conscious but I love my luxury and comfort ounces! Chair, saw, e-tool, nice thick sleeping pad, 2 pillows, fire starter cubes... I'm a bodybuilder and weekend warrior so whether I'm 15lbs or 30lbs, doesn't make a difference to me haha.
I don't use stuff sacks other than zipp locks. Sometimes for a particular sleeping bag. You can save 1/2 to a pound not using stuff sacks. // The trick with a frame less pack in shifting weight is filling the pack so its a solid bundle. If its solid, it becomes the frame.
Great tips. The fewer stuff sacks, the lighter it will weigh.
@@john_kelley I learned years ago to sweat the small stuff. I've saved lbs in my carry weight which makes backpacking for myself so much easier. Sub ten lb base is always my goal. I own no ultralight gear other than my Sierra Designs bivy. Much easier, cheaper, and lighter to use than a tent.