I tried your set up based in a previous video. It really helps to have a foot powered kayak( which I don’t). I ran into so many problems in my paddle kayak . Just dropping the weight down without forward momentum resulted in the leader tangling with the dodger every time. Also, one needs the right rod and reel for kokanee . I had a horrible experience and was pretty embarrassed on that lake I was at. I might try again with a modified version of this with a reel that had a depth counter.
Its def more challenging in a paddle kayak. The key is to paddle get momentum and drop a little back at a time. Alternatively you turn on the clicker and the loosen the drag until it starts to pay out with the pressure from paddling on its own.
Hi TY ! It's Me ! I finally found your channel . Been missing talkin about fishin with you ! I still have my Kayak and I have been fishing alot more with my hubby . Great video ! Miss you at N40!
Taking tips for the glacial fed Lake Crescent western Washington for the Beardslee trout. Only species found in this lake alone. They reach 25 lbs but are tough to catch. They are deep and with a 3 ounce weight limit hard to catch. Gotta find a way to get deep while staying in the regs.
The links for the products seem outdated, or maybe it is just their website, there seems to be many versions of the slider available but only one loads a pics, could you be more specific about which version you currently use, I know the video is old, but I want to solve my tangling problems and for you to get credit for making the awesome fishing content for all of us. Thank you again,
If you having tangle issues I highly recommend switching to snap weights. In this way you can run your weights 30' or more away from you lures and drop it as fast you'd like without tangling issues. Checkout the video on this topic here th-cam.com/video/RRPV3_B8YWg/w-d-xo.html
I bought all the stuff from your links. Fished all day with two downriggers and 1 dropper rig. Didn’t get a single fish on the dropper but had action on the downriggers. What am I doing wrong? I could see the dropper rig on the finder and it seems like it was at the same depth. I was really hoping this system would work so I can run two more rods in the boat.
Fellow Washingtonian New to kayak fishing and for some reason I’m stuck on trying my luck on Kokanee ran across your channel and I’m even more excited as I’m ridiculously close to most of the lakes in your videos! Have you had much luck catching them paddle trolling?
Look up the angler innovations "Long liner." Its a dropper wight rig, that has a set on it. You let back so many feet of line and then lock the long liner in place, (you can attatch any weight to it) then when a fish bites, it trips the lock and slides down the line to you're dodger or lure.
Love these informative videos, super helpful. One question if you are not using a downrigger how do you best judge the actual depth of lure while trolling in kayak?
A general rule I use is with 10 lb monofilament I am going to get ~ 10' of drop for every oz if I have 100' of line deployed trolling at 1.5 mph. 1 oz at 100' = 10', 2oz at 100' = 20', and so on. Just be aware that you will go deeper if you are trolling slower and shallower if trolling faster.
Hi I'm in Connecticut and have been watching all your videos. Loving them btw. I live 5 minutes from one of the two kokanee program lake in the state. I own a paddle kyack which I pretty much live in spring summer and fall. This spring I'm really going to try to target kokanee. My ? Is what weight lead balls should I be purchasing. Already set with everything else you have shown. Thanks in advance and keep putting out great content. 👍
Just got this Lead Dropper, and I really like this system, and I am trying to move away from a down rigger. I still find estimating depth confusing. Lake Hayden has a long sloping smooth bottom which I used to find my depth. Using a 1oz lead ball at 50 ft. set back I hit bottom at 15 to 17 ft trolling a 1mph. Is this what I should expect, and would I assume 30 ft. Depth at 100 ft set back. Thanks again for your videos.
They have several different options for the slider, which size did you pick? I'm also curious why you don't like using a downrigger on your kayak? Can you also provide links for your other gear; net, reels, line, rod? I always like to see what gear people use when there successful. Thank you.
For one its a space issue. Prior to fishing out of my Old Town I fished out of a Hobie Revo and there was almost nowhere to mount a downrigger. As a result I honed my skills fishing without one and truth be told I do better than most anglers who run them. I strongly believe this has to do with the more erratic action gained by using droppers. Secondly its a safety issue. I become tangled in line several years ago in a fishing mishap and almost drowned. The idea of hanging a 4 lb lead ball over the side in hundreds of feet of heavy braid unnerves me. I'll work on those links to those products in the video in a just a bit.
Thank you, I run an electric downrigger on a pro angler. I also share those concerns however and I've been looking at options like you have in this video. What size did you use for the slider from poulsen?
@@spiltmilt my wife and I were thinking to come up to Oregon or Vancouver Washington area in late August early Sept which lakes would you recommend for Kokanee at that time of season?
Yo Spilt, I'll be trying my luck without a downrigger at least for now, and I picked up a Deep-6 diver (#2), so trying with a lead dropper also will give me a couple options until I get a boat I can leave set up. What I'm wondering is: what rod(s) would you suggest with these 2 options? I'm assuming if I have 4 or 5 oz in the water, or the diver is pulling down deep I'll need a heavier rod. Your thoughts? And, I really would intend to use 1 rod for both. Thanks much.
Hey man, super appreciative of all of these videos as I learn the fishery! Curious what is the most weight you put on your Santiam while running this setup before switching to different/heavier rod for depth?
Hi, I'm new to Kokanee fishing. Love the videos. I want to become a small craft kokanee fisherman. Can this setup also be attached to a manual downrigger if you to take the lead ball off the slider and just attach the downrigger ball leader line clip to this line above the slide somewhere? That way I could play with both dropper rig alone or with the manual downrigger I just bought. Am hoping to do this from my canoe alone or with family.
Hi Tyler, great video as always. Question for you on running droppers- I have been attaching my dodger to a snap swivel. This is on the opposite end of the line from the bead chain swivel. Do you think that is ok or is it possibly hurting the action? Should I use a duo lock snap instead? 🤔🎣
Hey and thank you very much for this video, it‘s exactly what I was searching for. I want to fish for von in lakes as well but there are also perch and Pike-Perch possible, sometimes also Pike. I would like to use 1 to 4 ounz lead (weight) and small lures like Tillins Cobra or Tasmanian Devils which I know from New Zealand where I was there years ago. I like the Okuma Kokanee Black KB-C-762ML (4 - 10 lbs) but I’m not sure, if it is the right one? And could you recommend a rod with trigger handle for trolling with Dipsys or Slide Divers as well? And I should not make any mistakes, because I live in Austria and have to order the rods in the US. Thank you very much in advance for your answer, Felix
I would not recommend the Okuma Kokanee Black for lead up to 4 oz. It does not have sufficient backbone being an all glass rod. I'd recommend a rod like the Paulina Peak rod which is a composite blend of glass & graphite. paulinapeaktackle.com/shop/ols/products/rod-8000-paulina-peak-custom-kokanee-fishing-rod-8 I use up to 5 oz on this rod with no issue. Dipsy or slide divers put a lot of drag on your rod so I don't recommend them for smaller fish and rod size will depend on the size of dipsy or slide diver you use.
Love your videos. Recent subscriber getting into trolling for kokanee. Watched many videos for rigging droppers, as I also do not wish to mess with downriggers. I have made up my mind on all the gear except the actual "fixture" for the weight.... I like this Poulsen Cascade free slide spreader you use, but have seen another set up that uses a triple barrel swivel that clips the weight into the third, downward pointing clip. Some clip the weight directly into the clip, some send it down a few inches of mono. This seems like an inexpensive and simple set up. What is your opinion of this? Thank you.
@@spiltmilt would putting a snap swivel with a 2.5oz weight on the line in place to slide up and down work ? I've tried the above tri swivel comment for river bottom fishing but not for trolling. Seems static weight does bounce bites as I used a mooching weight in a pinch and it was just too much tension to get a good setup aside from rainbow trout.
Similar in many regards. The key difference is its about 2X to 3X longer than a traditional slider which helps to minimize tangles on the drop and the because its larger hollow tube the knot is better protected.
Spilt Milt Productions thank you. Trying to find a rod for the kayak that will hold 4-6oz of lead for Kokes but fishermans was flat out of everything! Any suggestions in the $75-150 price range?
I tried your set up based in a previous video. It really helps to have a foot powered kayak( which I don’t). I ran into so many problems in my paddle kayak . Just dropping the weight down without forward momentum resulted in the leader tangling with the dodger every time. Also, one needs the right rod and reel for kokanee . I had a horrible experience and was pretty embarrassed on that lake I was at. I might try again with a modified version of this with a reel that had a depth counter.
Its def more challenging in a paddle kayak. The key is to paddle get momentum and drop a little back at a time. Alternatively you turn on the clicker and the loosen the drag until it starts to pay out with the pressure from paddling on its own.
Thanks man. I have a 9ft Colorado XT pontoon and I put a small down rigger on it but I would rather not use it as it is a little sketchy. lol
and in summer time they are deep from 58’ to 85’ depth. Fishing for Kokanee in lake Washington a downrigger is a must.
I like using some light mono from the slider to the weight. I've saved a lot of tackle because the weight in front was actually what was hung up.
Makes sense in those snaggy fisheries for sure
As soon the video start I know It will be amazing. Thanks for share the knowledge.
Hi TY ! It's Me ! I finally found your channel . Been missing talkin about fishin with you ! I still have my Kayak and I have been fishing alot more with my hubby . Great video ! Miss you at N40!
Taking tips for the glacial fed Lake Crescent western Washington for the Beardslee trout. Only species found in this lake alone. They reach 25 lbs but are tough to catch. They are deep and with a 3 ounce weight limit hard to catch. Gotta find a way to get deep while staying in the regs.
Rookie kokanee fisherman here. Wondering if you have tried diving planer boards along with weight for those Lake Crescent trout?
The links for the products seem outdated, or maybe it is just their website, there seems to be many versions of the slider available but only one loads a pics, could you be more specific about which version you currently use, I know the video is old, but I want to solve my tangling problems and for you to get credit for making the awesome fishing content for all of us. Thank you again,
If you having tangle issues I highly recommend switching to snap weights. In this way you can run your weights 30' or more away from you lures and drop it as fast you'd like without tangling issues. Checkout the video on this topic here th-cam.com/video/RRPV3_B8YWg/w-d-xo.html
Pretty cool set up!
I bought all the stuff from your links. Fished all day with two downriggers and 1 dropper rig. Didn’t get a single fish on the dropper but had action on the downriggers. What am I doing wrong? I could see the dropper rig on the finder and it seems like it was at the same depth. I was really hoping this system would work so I can run two more rods in the boat.
Great Great Stuff, you're teaching us some excellent fishing practices... Thank You...
Fellow Washingtonian New to kayak fishing and for some reason I’m stuck on trying my luck on Kokanee ran across your channel and I’m even more excited as I’m ridiculously close to most of the lakes in your videos! Have you had much luck catching them paddle trolling?
Yes I started paddling for Kokanee about a decade ago. It’s much more challenging but possible
Look up the angler innovations "Long liner." Its a dropper wight rig, that has a set on it. You let back so many feet of line and then lock the long liner in place, (you can attatch any weight to it) then when a fish bites, it trips the lock and slides down the line to you're dodger or lure.
What advantage does that offer?
Why not just a fixed weight before the bumper? What advantage does the sliding weight offer?
Easier for the fish to leverage the hook off with a static weight
Love these informative videos, super helpful. One question if you are not using a downrigger how do you best judge the actual depth of lure while trolling in kayak?
A general rule I use is with 10 lb monofilament I am going to get ~ 10' of drop for every oz if I have 100' of line deployed trolling at 1.5 mph. 1 oz at 100' = 10', 2oz at 100' = 20', and so on. Just be aware that you will go deeper if you are trolling slower and shallower if trolling faster.
Very helpful thanks. I usually troll at 1.5
Its close. It will depend your dodger, thickness of your line, but expect an average of 10-15'.
@@spiltmilt so let out around 200 feet of line?
Hi I'm in Connecticut and have been watching all your videos. Loving them btw. I live 5 minutes from one of the two kokanee program lake in the state. I own a paddle kyack which I pretty much live in spring summer and fall. This spring I'm really going to try to target kokanee. My ? Is what weight lead balls should I be purchasing. Already set with everything else you have shown. Thanks in advance and keep putting out great content. 👍
4oz cannon ball weights probably. But you could go more or less given the depth of your area
Do you use that same 18" wire pumper when you troll for your king salmon? Cheers
No typically use 40 lb mono or 100 fluoro in combat fisheries
@@spiltmilt Thanks buddy.
That is pretty cool! Thanks for the video, very interesting.
A question, Can you see the dropper on the fishfinder for depths?
No you can’t
@@spiltmilt thanks
Just got this Lead Dropper, and I really like this system, and I am trying to move away from a down rigger. I still find estimating depth confusing. Lake Hayden has a long sloping smooth bottom which I used to find my depth. Using a 1oz lead ball at 50 ft. set back I hit bottom at 15 to 17 ft trolling a 1mph. Is this what I should expect, and would I assume 30 ft. Depth at 100 ft set back. Thanks again for your videos.
That is about right. You would be running 5-8' shallower at 1.5 mph
They have several different options for the slider, which size did you pick? I'm also curious why you don't like using a downrigger on your kayak? Can you also provide links for your other gear; net, reels, line, rod? I always like to see what gear people use when there successful. Thank you.
For one its a space issue. Prior to fishing out of my Old Town I fished out of a Hobie Revo and there was almost nowhere to mount a downrigger. As a result I honed my skills fishing without one and truth be told I do better than most anglers who run them. I strongly believe this has to do with the more erratic action gained by using droppers. Secondly its a safety issue. I become tangled in line several years ago in a fishing mishap and almost drowned. The idea of hanging a 4 lb lead ball over the side in hundreds of feet of heavy braid unnerves me.
I'll work on those links to those products in the video in a just a bit.
Thank you, I run an electric downrigger on a pro angler. I also share those concerns however and I've been looking at options like you have in this video. What size did you use for the slider from poulsen?
Standard
Just order 2 each of the setups.
Does the size of the free slide matter? What size do you like to use for your weights?
I use the standard size for these trolling applications.
I just bought two of these rigs off your link. What green arrow flash is that one your using in this video?
It's a custom. Not available.
@@spiltmilt my wife and I were thinking to come up to Oregon or Vancouver Washington area in late August early Sept which lakes would you recommend for Kokanee at that time of season?
Yo Spilt, I'll be trying my luck without a downrigger at least for now, and I picked up a Deep-6 diver (#2), so trying with a lead dropper also will give me a couple options until I get a boat I can leave set up. What I'm wondering is: what rod(s) would you suggest with these 2 options? I'm assuming if I have 4 or 5 oz in the water, or the diver is pulling down deep I'll need a heavier rod. Your thoughts? And, I really would intend to use 1 rod for both. Thanks much.
A 7-8' medium composite rod should be fine for the droppers. I don't know about the deep-6 driver. Personally I wouldn't use one on Kokanee.
Hi love the videos, great job. Can you comment on fishing for kokanee on Spectacle Lake.
There are a lot of Kokanee in there!
Hey man, super appreciative of all of these videos as I learn the fishery! Curious what is the most weight you put on your Santiam while running this setup before switching to different/heavier rod for depth?
3 oz. They are coming out with a heavier "long lining/dropper rod" in a few weeks. I'll be posting more about that rod soon.
Hi, I'm new to Kokanee fishing. Love the videos. I want to become a small craft kokanee fisherman. Can this setup also be attached to a manual downrigger if you to take the lead ball off the slider and just attach the downrigger ball leader line clip to this line above the slide somewhere? That way I could play with both dropper rig alone or with the manual downrigger I just bought. Am hoping to do this from my canoe alone or with family.
Yes that would work fine
Very interesting setup. How much weight do you ad when you want get your lure down to 35 - 40 depth ? I mostly fish for Kokanee in lowland lakes
3-4 oz at 100' will get you down there
how do you know how much weight to use to achieve a desired depth with speed included?
With 100' of 10 lb monofilament line out I get 10-15' depth per oz at 1.5 mph
@@spiltmilt Thanks! that helps a lot. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge
What's the difference between the techni-strand 18 flasher leader and the techni-strand 18 kokanee bumper???
The Kokanee bumper has a smaller duo lock and bead chain
I would like to know where to get that net that you have in the back of your kayak during this video
Model 345B from Ranger Nets rangernets.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/NewCatalog2020.pdf
Hi Tyler, great video as always. Question for you on running droppers- I have been attaching my dodger to a snap swivel. This is on the opposite end of the line from the bead chain swivel. Do you think that is ok or is it possibly hurting the action? Should I use a duo lock snap instead? 🤔🎣
Should be fine.
@@spiltmilt thanks dude
Nice one ! Thanks !
Hey and thank you very much for this video, it‘s exactly what I was searching for. I want to fish for von in lakes as well but there are also perch and Pike-Perch possible, sometimes also Pike.
I would like to use 1 to 4 ounz lead (weight) and small lures like Tillins Cobra or Tasmanian Devils which I know from New Zealand where I was there years ago.
I like the Okuma Kokanee Black KB-C-762ML (4 - 10 lbs) but I’m not sure, if it is the right one?
And could you recommend a rod with trigger handle for trolling with Dipsys or Slide Divers as well?
And I should not make any mistakes, because I live in Austria and have to order the rods in the US.
Thank you very much in advance for your answer, Felix
I would not recommend the Okuma Kokanee Black for lead up to 4 oz. It does not have sufficient backbone being an all glass rod. I'd recommend a rod like the Paulina Peak rod which is a composite blend of glass & graphite. paulinapeaktackle.com/shop/ols/products/rod-8000-paulina-peak-custom-kokanee-fishing-rod-8 I use up to 5 oz on this rod with no issue.
Dipsy or slide divers put a lot of drag on your rod so I don't recommend them for smaller fish and rod size will depend on the size of dipsy or slide diver you use.
Love your videos. Recent subscriber getting into trolling for kokanee. Watched many videos for rigging droppers, as I also do not wish to mess with downriggers. I have made up my mind on all the gear except the actual "fixture" for the weight....
I like this Poulsen Cascade free slide spreader you use, but have seen another set up that uses a triple barrel swivel that clips the weight into the third, downward pointing clip. Some clip the weight directly into the clip, some send it down a few inches of mono. This seems like an inexpensive and simple set up. What is your opinion of this? Thank you.
You want to use a sliding rig of some kind. Static weight makes it easier for fish to leverage the hooks out of their mouths.
@@spiltmilt would putting a snap swivel with a 2.5oz weight on the line in place to slide up and down work ? I've tried the above tri swivel comment for river bottom fishing but not for trolling. Seems static weight does bounce bites as I used a mooching weight in a pinch and it was just too much tension to get a good setup aside from rainbow trout.
I’m going to try to rent a boat to fish for Kokanee in Bass Lake. Should I pick up a rod holder or two for the boat? Thanks!
Its worth trying for them!
How does this compare to other sliders?
Similar in many regards. The key difference is its about 2X to 3X longer than a traditional slider which helps to minimize tangles on the drop and the because its larger hollow tube the knot is better protected.
What pound rating is your main line?
10 lb
Very cool
Nice
What rod do ya use for this setup
Paulina Peak and Eagle Claw are both good choices for this type of fishing th-cam.com/video/ZA_BoexsbQY/w-d-xo.html
How good is this for Kokanee
Good enough to consistently catch limits.
I’m going to give the Banana weight set a try and the sliding rig set up the lake I’m fishing the max depth is 55
What size cannon ball would you recommend
I was told the Kokanee told around 40 to 45 and 50
What LB main for your reel? Mono or braid?
10 lb mono
Spilt Milt Productions thank you. Trying to find a rod for the kayak that will hold 4-6oz of lead for Kokes but fishermans was flat out of everything! Any suggestions in the $75-150 price range?
Check out the Okuma SST Mag Taper SST-C-7101MGM goo.gl/uijgto
Spilt Milt Productions ordered it, thank you! You should get commission off your videos for products 😂
The best way
Thanks one day I’ll get out .
Are you on Facebook i have some questions
Yes facebook.com/spiltmilt