Will we ever know what came before the universe? Tim Maudlin interview
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- -- Tim Maudlin, Founder and Director of the John Bell Institute for the Foundations of Physics, and Professor of Philosophy at New York University, joins David to discuss the origins and foundations of metaphysics
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Broadcast on May 18, 2023
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Ahhh how great to have Tim on!!! I love physics, math, space and all these super smart people!!!
Question: What came before the universe? Answer: George Santos!
What came before George Santos? Anthony Devolder!
What an interesting interview. The guest clearly didn’t have an agenda and just provided insights that didn’t require an advanced degree to understand. And there was a lesson for all of us…it’s ok not to be the smartest in every conversation!
Very interesting guest. For many these sorts of existential discussions might cause some slight anxiety but I find they have the opposite effect on me. Fascinating stuff, David.
David asks great questions and probes deeper when he feels more info would benefit the audience. Well done, Sir.
Appreciate his smack down of solipsism and “simulation theory.”
Great chat
I have watched hundreds of Pakman interviews over the years and I really feel like this is one of the few where the interviewee pushes back/challenges David's questions in a really meaningful way. Very enjoyable to watch!
To me Metaphysics is any meta framework that emerges from a physical substrate. The most obvious example is money. Both a $1 bill and $100 bill weigh about 1 gram, there is no Physical difference between them. But the Metaphysical difference between the two bills is $99.
Another interesting point is how often people prefer a concrete, solid answer, & how uncomfortable they can be with no "true" answer, & I recently heard about the data that suggests conservatives are especially uncomfortable with a spectrum of possibilities, & that's one big reason that they can't handle modern concepts of gender, etc.
The answer to the headline question is NO, WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT CAME BEFORE THE (THIS) UNIVERSE. The only reasonable answer to that ontological question is "It's turtles all the way down", which is another way of saying "Please don't ask absurd questions. The human mind is incapable of comprehending the present universe much less the origins of the present universe or prior universes, if there were (are) any. We're only naked apes."
I love when you do these science,metaphysical & philosophical segments on the implications of say consciousness & our effect ON the universe & our perception of & relationship to 'reality'! As they say 'quantum physics isnt only as strange as you think. Its stranger than you CAN think!"
It is certainly metaphysics and philosophy; it is more certainly not science.
@@dwightschrute47 fiction from the sex obsessed far right! They're not chopping off 5yr old boys penis's either! You leap from quantum physics to a tired ignorant maga response says alot about your & WHERE your mind is at!!! Give me ANY quote from a credible person about a man having a baby biologically! But virgin births like with Jesus,I'm sure you believe in! Smh..the ignorance & prejudice is palpable!
@@MrAaronvee I think Heisenberg,Dr. Michio Kaku,Max Plank MIGHT disagree! Not to mention the scientist at CERN!
@@dwightschrute47 Bingo!
@@TheSoulcraft Is science true?
Tim Maudlin on the David Pakman??!! 😂
who/ what put the space that our universe exists and created the physics that govern it? no! not god. are we the only universe? does space go on forever or fold in with a boundary at the end? etc., etc.. in my opinion, we will never find out.
This is so beyond human understanding all we can do is guess.
I know politics was touched upon lightly in this discussion but it was wonderful to stray outside of raw politics a little bit and hear a bit about such an interesting topic with such an interesting person. Thank you DP!
All possibilities exist in unique presentation simultaneously. No piece is expendable, all existence is inextricably bound.
Existence is an idea in endless self-creation.
Possibly.
I thought it was interesting what he said about the arguments he has heard regarding the formation of clay being studied to explain life arising in the first place. The Islamic tradition actually teaches that God created man from clay.
Also I like what he said about not being able to demand absolute proof and that reasonable people instead shape their acceptance to the theories that have the heaviest evidence and explanations.
The concept of "coming before" implies a uni-dimensional, naive idea of time. I think the universe does not "line up" that way.
Like most people he doesn't take into account consciousness. There's no evidence that anything exists outside of consciousness. That would also be "made up".
Interesting 🤔
How did the universe get here? (1) It was always here (2) It put itself here (3) Someone or something put it here (4) Some other reason....be specific........
Another answer might be: "As soon as the WGA strike ends, Hollywood will do its best to answer that pressing question."
This is a great example of how common it is now that despite our having access to more information, history, etc, people commonly have barely a surface understanding of most things, & so much of that comes from the bad habit of not knowing media literacy & good research practices, & their faith or trust in strangers making videos for mostly entertainment. A perfect example of that is seeing people on the Quora site with an interest in mythology, & they like to create posts & answer questions, but its obvious that they aren't aware of our original sources & instead a lot of their learning comes from Tumbler & fan fic.
What a fascinating interview! Thank you!!
what a refreshing conversation
The problem is humans need an explanation of everything where as the universe doesn't work that way 😁
The bigger problem is that some people are not sceptical enough to question authority.
Please bring him on again on your show and discuss the cosmological multiverse.
bro i just had him for Early Modern 😂 thank goodness my boy passed me 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Triangular hypothesis. I did my part #AI
David, Sir, pleased to see that you are staying out of science (N.B. metaphysics and philosophy are not science).
To me Metaphysics is any meta framework that emerges from a physical substrate. The most obvious example is money. Both a $1 bill and $100 bill weigh about 1 gram, there is no Physical difference between them. But the Metaphysical difference between the two bills is $99.
Gravity and time are the same thing and throw in space too. They are by-products if the universal constant. They are quite literally the same thing. Are perspective is different. Oh and theres no singularity. But just the absence of space, time and gravity. #Triangularhypothesis I cant make it more simple then that. Time gravity and space will prove me right. I also know how thier 👽 shit works. 🤗 Magic. A lil joke 😅.
It's just the end of a other universe, the popping bubbles of space time foam.
Isn't that argument against solipsism exactly what a manifestation of your innermost consciousness would say to trick you?
This is a very enjoyable exchange. More please.
never watch pakman. just maudlin. but pakman asked some very nice classic philosophical questions, and it was nice to hear maudlin's views on those instead of the usual technical quantum stuff he talks about
Give us your best evidence for the origin of life from naturalistic means
This is great, David. I hope we can see more of these types of discussions.
Novell, testable predictions
I was half hoping this was an interview of a conspiracy theorist and his take on what came before the universe.
Would be cool to do these deeper conversations in longer form
Im i the only one who thinks david did not ask him right questions and i still don't know what he does on physics
came before? or what was there before?
Solopsism? As ridiculous as it sounds.
Dr. Maudlin is sharp.
I loved Maudlin’s book on the subtle relationship between quantum nonlocality (spooky action at a distance) and special relativity (maximum speed of causality).
I never cared for the "All that exists" use of the word Metaphysics. To me Metaphysics is any meta framework that emerges from a physical substrate. The most obvious example is money. Both a $1 bill and $100 bill weigh about 1 gram, there is no Physical difference between them. But the Metaphysical difference between the two bills is $99.
@@danielm5161 hi! I think maybe you didn’t intend this to be a response to my comment…?
What do you think ?
More universe !
Endless discussions from various viewpoints. Nobody really knows the supposed reality of the universe that we exist in. Was there a beginning and will there be an end? Like trying to complete a cosmic puzzle only to find that some of the pieces are missing.
Neither makes sense to me - a beginning that came out of nowhere or an infinite past and no beginning. How is either possible?
Sean Carroll is also a physicist who is interested in philosophy - he has an amazing podcast found on youtube. Thanks for this great guest and interview.
Here's a link to an in-depth metaphysical discussion between Tim Maudlin and Sean Carroll: th-cam.com/video/vZ7h9VALHMU/w-d-xo.html
More of this please, it could be like a smarter version of Joe Rogan.
That's like describing Obama as a smarter version of Trump. No amount of intelligence can make bad faith into something good.
If time is part of the universe, how does that question matter sense?
I love reading about quantum physics and the universe, so I find this interview very interesting.
As a person who is highly logical but also very creative, this kind of conversation is both fascinating and breaks my brain like a shattered diner plate. Lol 😊
To me Metaphysics is any meta framework that emerges from a physical substrate. The most obvious example is money. Both a $1 bill and $100 bill weigh about 1 gram, there is no Physical difference between them. But the Metaphysical difference between the two bills is $99.
Absolutely fantastic discussion. The exchange was very interesting. TY.
The only absolutely true statement about reality is "absolutely nothing does not exist".
I seem to experience a single reality, but without independent attestation, it is merely 1 data point.
The vast majority of people also claim to experience a single reality. The addition of multiple data points on this question allows for higher probability of being correct.
Read Michio Kaku's Beyond Einstein.
Mystery solved.
Before I even watch I’m gonna say that the question of what’s before the universe doesn’t actually make sense…
That is why he is talking to a philosopher rather than a physicist. Theories that cannot be experimentally tested (e.g. string theory) are simply not science.
@@MrAaronvee Einstein's theories were not science then, until we were able to observe that he was correct in most of them?
I know what was here before the Big Bang. All anyone has to do think of Dark Energy and Dark Matter. It is what was here before the Big Bang or the begining of the Universe. It is why it is every where and why we cannot see it. But hey it is just a theory of my own. I am not a scientist. I just like to know about as much as I can about all things and try to make sense of it for myself. Maybe, I am wrong, but that is what science is about. Being wrong a lot of the times and have theories.
Your comment isnt a "theory". Its just a bunch of nonsense.
A scientific theory is supported by experimental evidence, and is used to make predictions. It is the highest level possible in science.
Get Bernardo Kastrup on your show, David.
Yo cupcake lets got tell me some facts tell me how a grown man that likes to play dress up is a woman come on I know you don't want to hurt their feelings so tell me you telling a man he is a woman now has him thinking he can get a period hand have babies. Why do you do that is it to make yourself feel better are u a fruit cake is that what it is because at the end of the day user both still going to do the helicopter together
David trying to get into his Marianne headspace in case she is the only option in '24.😁
Is it possible to build a telescope that can look back so far that it can see the moment we think the Big Bang happened? Because if yes, people can potentially find out
Fascinating thought
@@ChildrensRightsFirst947 Thanks! I really hope this becomes a thing sometime in the future though. Its the only way you can potentially prove or disprove the existence of God and the theories about what happened before the universe in real life
Explain gravity
Who knows, we can only guess. Just a bunch of stuff.
I love conversations like this, but it does give us a clear path forward. Endeavor to know the things that can be known, and if these big existential questions persist, at least they'll be persisting from a more learning point of view. It is amazing that as a species we discovered the Higgs boson within the same generation as the radiation static background of the universe... but we are still just a heartbeat away from neanderthals and people that burned witches, so stay humble.
Excellent, thank you! I wish we could have heard his thoughts on objective collapse of the wave function (or density matrix) in quantum physics.
I think therefore I am. I think not and disappeared.
I am. Therefore, I think.
Descartes was a moron.
@@claudetteguimond8035 People can think they are a purple midget aardvark from the planet ZX48, but not likely to be true
Simple, the universe is factory that is structured to make empty space. It was built by exponentially expanding Empty Space and will see another beginning once humans or aliens accidentally apply too much energy to a miniscule amount of the quantum vacuum that is empty space.
Awesome subject! Would love to see more videos about the nature of the universe!
Before one can even come close to finding the answer of this question, they need to first lay aside all their prejudice. This is a subject that can only be pursued Objectively.
Life on earth could never have progressed as far as it has Naturally. It had to have been aided along the way. It takes more faith for one to think otherwise.
Notice that the guest ran up against the problem; 'Out of nothing....something comes?'
It is like reflex that the dishonest's turn immediately to the Multiverse belief. However, the more polished researchers are aware that the mathematics are so insurmountable against this 'theory' that they fall into the clutches of the 'Boltzman Brain' pit. Where this problem brings one to the realization that it is more mathematically probable that we pop in and out of existence, occasionally realizing our existence. Absurd.
What circumstantial evidence we have that leads us to believe that there exists something beyond our reality (which brought about the universe) are abstract proofs from Jackson Galaxy's cat (spirit) chase, to Pam Reynald's and military hero Steve Gardipee's death accounts.
More circumstantial proof of existence beyond our reality are humanity's constant appeal to Objective truth, Objective morality, and Objective love.
meh? if i can manifest a “me,” i can manifest the universe
Does anyone else’s brain start to break with the consideration of the theory of there being nothing before the big bang….. starting with the obvious physics question of (in layperson’s terms) “ok but…… if there was nothing, what actually was able to bang?”
There is no such thing as nothing. Everything in the universe was just condensed, then it expanded and here we are.
The Universe came before The Universe, duh!
Ask the solipsist why did they write a book since they are the only being in existence. Wait, actually was that
me imagining I read that book?
Before the universe there was gravity. No one knows where gravity comes from. We can’t see gravity, but we know it exists. That’s metaphysics.
“Why is there something, but not nothing?” is a question
that confounds philosophy, science, and religion.
Whence came matter, energy, and laws of nature?
Were they magically ordained by a Divine Creator?
No, gods are no answer, they just beget another question;
“What begot gods, is there an infinite regression?”
Religion’s sciolistic answers rely on specious etiology,
and the rhetorical sophistry of casuistic teleology
The universe just repeats after one ends
wouldnt that suggest its simply something a simulation or video game of sorts.
Actually, this universe has a definite end. They call it the heat death, when all matter ends up in a collection of supermassive black holes forever drifting apart. If there was enough matter to overcome the expansion effect to recoalesce, a big crunch, then it would reach a criticality and re-expand in a continuous loop. We honestly don't know how this universe came into being, what was "before" the big bang as there was no time before. Time didn't start until after the expansion.
What about all the other Universes? Don't they run into each other?
@@Craxin01 exactly then another big bang happens. Life is material light of figure eights, circles and hexagons
@@bargdaffy1535 like parallel or overlapping multiverses? I don't doubt that could be a thing, all eventually going towards the same big bang
i am dumbfounded by this man’s level of intelligence
🎉🎉
Before the universe was the tniverse.
If God exist before the universe he most have lonely for a long long time and then you have to ask the question why did God wait so long? Maybe we are in a black hole and the beginning of our universe is the edge of the singarity. Worlds within worlds. That sounds like blade runner.
Time did not exist before the universe. So no God didn't have to wait for a long time as time did not exist.
if space and time was created in the big-bang, then nothing.
The universe was condensed, then it expanded. It was not nothing. There is no such thing as nothing, as far as we can tell.
A guy who is all about books has no books behind him during an interview. Doesn't have to prove himself to anyone. That's good. Most people usually sit in front of books. Says so much about him.
Why that is assumption
Run along troll
@@cherricastellon490 I was complementing him.
@@RealChrisHatch I was complimenting him.
God. Lol, next question.
The Big Bang created the space and time of the universe. Therefore there was no "before" the Big Bang. Oh, cool. They touch on this, as one possibility.
I get stuck here on ..then what was there to “bang” for the big bang, just energy? And where, what space, could the energy be if there is nothing. I obviously don’t know what I am saying scientifically lol …. But I’m trying to make it make sense
@@COSjultrakay Read "A Universe From Nothing" by Lawrence Krauss
Im a little confused is metaphysics like pseudoscience?
Nope, it's a branch of philosophy which attempts to examine the fundamental nature of reality.
@@ScorpioNick oh i thought that is what the types of pseudoscience did also.
@@janellemccoy09 no. Pseudoscience refers to things which pretend to be sciences, such as homoeopathy or numerology. Metaphysics is not a science, but a branch of philosophy, such as ontology, epistemology and so on.
@@ScorpioNick isn't all science pretending until it's proven? Cus metaphysical studies is things other than human unprovable some even say...
@@ScorpioNick Do you believe in the supernatural? If not, why?
Isaiah 45:12
I made the earth and created man on it. It was my hands that stretched out the heavens and I commanded all their host.
God
Without life, we cannot encompass anything. Humans are not exempt from extinction. Biggest issue, don't get distracted and lost pondering trivial abstractions.
"...don't get distracted and lost pondering trivial abstractions."
Why not?
does anyone actually cares LOL
Sure they do. If no one cared, this conversation would not have taken place.
A physics institute trying to exist physically.🤔
I thought David wasn’t religious
He isnt religious. There could have been a different natural state, something like a fundemental quantum field, and not necessarily a god.
@@bertthompson4748 Give us the BEST evidence for the origin of life from naturalism
@@TimSpangler-v9i all evidence is the best evidence.
Evidence in science is generated by oredicting the outcomes of your hypothesis and testing that to see if your prediction is correct.
Everything from RNA replication, cell morphology and naturally occuring amino acids/ enzymes are evidence for the position.
But you want proof dont you
@@bertthompson4748 Facts are facts. But are interpreted via ideological worldview. Scientists are people too..and can be biased toward their worldview. Do you agree?
@@TimSpangler-v9i of course i agree which is why science uses a method to filter out as much of that bias as possible while religion does the opposite.
I mean philosophically abiogenisis fits best.
Scientifically it fits best.
Why not admit it fits best and has evidence? Is it because of that stupid book of fables?