Afterthoughts: - TH-cam shadowbanned my last video, so if you could help this video reach a few more people by liking, commenting, subscribing and/or sharing that would be kind. Sadly I've since had to take that video down, but I may look at sharing the unlisted link at a later date. - Next up on the Channel will be a Euro 2004 retrospect as we approach the 20th anniversary of the tournament. - Let me know your opinion on the always divisive, Gareth Southgate! - Thanks for watching and take care all x
Hi into the fray I found some weird TH-cam loophole on your “deleted” AFCON video it’s on your playlist still but not on the main channel page just wanted to let you know
England haven't improved because of Southgate, but rather in spite of him. They have had favourable draws, which if they had appointed another manager, I believe would have done better. I can understand the idea of having someone that steadies the ship, keeps morale high, gets the team united, etc., but I don't believe he is the answer. It's all just too nice. They enjoy themselves and don't have the cutting edge to win, and it all stems from the manager.
Yep, this is probably the shared view by most at this point. I think he has to win Euro 2024 to change this assumption. I don't think we will win sadly. Thanks for watching!
This is the problem, for years I've heard endless calls for Southgate to leave, always the remark that there needs to be a new coach, as if it's a guarantee you could appoint just about anyone other than Southgate and they'd be an improvement (as if the last 50 years are anything to go by). Yet not once do I see someone give a clear, credible suggestion of who that would be, who would inarguably give England 'the cutting edge' they are meant to lack. What's the point in replacing Southgate if there's no obvious improvement as a successor? Some may laugh at this but I would not be surprised at all if England go backwards again after he's gone
@@carlosbarton763 for the record I haven't called for Southgates head in the past but am putting a deadline on success now. He'll have been England manager for eight years this year and I agree he has successfully implemented change to the national team as a whole, but this process is reaching it's conclusion now and if success isn't delivered (not even a Nations League), then it's just for the next cycle to be led by someone else. Of course that could lead to England doing worse, but with the players we have, it's not arrogant to suggest we should be dreaming of success. Real Madrid win the league and sack their manager. Regardless, in my eyes, Southgate will be a success regardless, as he's advanced the nation tenfold, but maybe it will be left to another for a title to be delivered.
Southgate has definitely helped to change the mood around the team. However, people often fail to give the context around their tournaments since Southgate took charge. 2018 World Cup, they got to the semi finals, having the easier half of the draw after losing the only big name in the group, Belgium. Then they beat Colombia on penalties and Sweden in the Quarter Finals. In the semi, they took an early lead and then started playing too pragmatically and couldn't get near Croatia after. 2020 Euros, played in 2021, They played 6/7 games at home in a tournament in which they weren't sole hosts. Their Quarter and Semi opponents were Ukraine and Denmark, before a final with a similar pattern. Besides a short spell of pressure after taking the early lead, just as Vs Croatia, they went on the backfoot. One team was trying to win the game before pens and the other was playing for pens. Lesson hadn't been learnt. The 2022 World Cup, they went out Vs the first half decent team they faced. Senegal are good tbf but you get what I mean. At any serious nation, he would have been sacked by now. I call him United the Nation Man. 😂 Good vid as usual though. I like how you set the context before getting to the Southgate years.
Thanks Hamza for the kind words. I think there's absolute merit in your point, it really should be do or die for him this summer, but it won't be, if England go out in the groups he'll still be offered a new deal!
If Southgate had been sacked after failing to win the Euros or for finishing 4th in Russia, people would've hounded the FA for being arrogant, particularly in 2018 when most people expected England to be knocked out in the second round. The only time Southgate's job has been under threat was in the summer of 2022, but at that point there wasn't enough time to hire a new manager and get him settled in.
@@HarvesterYT Yep I agree. I think this is why Euro 2024 has to be the benchmark. If not there will be a good range of good managers to replace him available.
Serbia may seem like an easy opponent on paper, but remember never count anyone out and most of all don't expect anything until the kick off whistle is blown and a ball is kicked
As an American, there’s lots of comparisons you can make with Gareth Southgate at England and our own managerial situation with Gregg Berhalter, (how fitting that the one time the two managers faced each other it ended in a boring 0-0 draw haha). Like Southgate, Berhalter came into the team when they were at an all time low as we had just failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup. Berhalter deserves a lot of credit for completely redesigning the team and taking them to a whole other level. Under Berhalter the US has won the 2021 Nations League, won the 2021 Gold Cup, qualified for the 2022 World Cup and had a good showing all while surpassed Mexico in almost all aspects. However, just like Southgate, Berhalter has serious limitations. His in-game management is not the best, his squad selection can be questionable, he is clearly punching above his weight tactically and under Berhalter, the US does not have any era-defining victories against an elite team. The dull playing style despite having an extremely talented attacking lineup is also cause for concern. My opinion of Berhalter with the US is the same as my opinion of Southgate with England. I think both of them have achieved a lot and deserve credit, but ultimately, they taken the team as far as they can and should step down.
That's really interesting because I am far more pessimistic about Greggs than I am about Southgate. I think Gareth has continually been successful at getting England to score lots of goals. Whereas Berhalter has continually set up his team to be as boring as possible. I support Gareth getting to Euro 2024 but you should sack Berhalter immediately imo. Edit: Accidentally calling Gregg, 'Greggs' is the most British thing I've ever done 🤣
@@intothefray12 I generally agree. Berhalter should’ve been gone after the World Cup but for whatever reason, US Soccer Federation decided to renew his contract.
KO wins for England managers between Ramsay and GS (1974-2016, 42 year period): 6 KO wins for England under Southgate alone: 6 You can remark about easy draws all you like but no doubt Southgate's done something right compared to his predecessors... If England are set up in a way where Bellingham and Kane are given as many chances as possible I think we'll be looking good for the Euros
I'm not from England but I look on the hate Southgate gets with bewilderment. England achieved absolutely nothing since 1996 and that was a semi final. Despite a talented pool of players, Round of 16 exist in 1998, Group Stage in 2000, Quarterfinals in 2002, 2004 and 2006, not even qualifying for 2008, Round of 16 in 2010, Quarterfinals in 2012, Group Stage in 2014 and Round of 16 loss in 2016 against Iceland. For the first time in most people's lifetime is England a powerhouse. Southgate may not be the biggest and flashy name, but he's achieved the most since 1966 of any manager. And the way fans treat him, you'd think he was having the results of the banter 2000's era. That all being said, England have an uber talented squad. Barring unlucky penalties, Southgate has to win this one without excuses. But I'll say this much. If Southgate's success with England was coached by a man called Gerrard or Lampard, there would be far more backing.
The two world cups were probably about the teams limits, but the euro finals wasn’t Italy being good, that was a bottlejob from England, we should have won that game in the first half alone.
Afterthoughts:
- TH-cam shadowbanned my last video, so if you could help this video reach a few more people by liking, commenting, subscribing and/or sharing that would be kind. Sadly I've since had to take that video down, but I may look at sharing the unlisted link at a later date.
- Next up on the Channel will be a Euro 2004 retrospect as we approach the 20th anniversary of the tournament.
- Let me know your opinion on the always divisive, Gareth Southgate!
- Thanks for watching and take care all x
I love your videos mate, the writing especially is superb, and your narration is passionate without being contrived
Thank you so much ❤️
A true depication of Gareth Southgates achievements.
Very informative and some great football memories.cant wait for the next one .
Hi into the fray I found some weird TH-cam loophole on your “deleted” AFCON video it’s on your playlist still but not on the main channel page just wanted to let you know
Thanks for letting me know that mate, I'll amend.
England haven't improved because of Southgate, but rather in spite of him. They have had favourable draws, which if they had appointed another manager, I believe would have done better. I can understand the idea of having someone that steadies the ship, keeps morale high, gets the team united, etc., but I don't believe he is the answer. It's all just too nice. They enjoy themselves and don't have the cutting edge to win, and it all stems from the manager.
Yep, this is probably the shared view by most at this point. I think he has to win Euro 2024 to change this assumption. I don't think we will win sadly. Thanks for watching!
This is the problem, for years I've heard endless calls for Southgate to leave, always the remark that there needs to be a new coach, as if it's a guarantee you could appoint just about anyone other than Southgate and they'd be an improvement (as if the last 50 years are anything to go by). Yet not once do I see someone give a clear, credible suggestion of who that would be, who would inarguably give England 'the cutting edge' they are meant to lack. What's the point in replacing Southgate if there's no obvious improvement as a successor? Some may laugh at this but I would not be surprised at all if England go backwards again after he's gone
@@carlosbarton763 for the record I haven't called for Southgates head in the past but am putting a deadline on success now. He'll have been England manager for eight years this year and I agree he has successfully implemented change to the national team as a whole, but this process is reaching it's conclusion now and if success isn't delivered (not even a Nations League), then it's just for the next cycle to be led by someone else. Of course that could lead to England doing worse, but with the players we have, it's not arrogant to suggest we should be dreaming of success. Real Madrid win the league and sack their manager. Regardless, in my eyes, Southgate will be a success regardless, as he's advanced the nation tenfold, but maybe it will be left to another for a title to be delivered.
Southgate has definitely helped to change the mood around the team. However, people often fail to give the context around their tournaments since Southgate took charge.
2018 World Cup, they got to the semi finals, having the easier half of the draw after losing the only big name in the group, Belgium. Then they beat Colombia on penalties and Sweden in the Quarter Finals. In the semi, they took an early lead and then started playing too pragmatically and couldn't get near Croatia after.
2020 Euros, played in 2021, They played 6/7 games at home in a tournament in which they weren't sole hosts. Their Quarter and Semi opponents were Ukraine and Denmark, before a final with a similar pattern. Besides a short spell of pressure after taking the early lead, just as Vs Croatia, they went on the backfoot. One team was trying to win the game before pens and the other was playing for pens. Lesson hadn't been learnt.
The 2022 World Cup, they went out Vs the first half decent team they faced. Senegal are good tbf but you get what I mean.
At any serious nation, he would have been sacked by now. I call him United the Nation Man. 😂
Good vid as usual though. I like how you set the context before getting to the Southgate years.
Thanks Hamza for the kind words.
I think there's absolute merit in your point, it really should be do or die for him this summer, but it won't be, if England go out in the groups he'll still be offered a new deal!
@@intothefray12 Ah, yes. Here in England, we are sentimentality merchants. 😂 Not saying me or you, but generally.
If Southgate had been sacked after failing to win the Euros or for finishing 4th in Russia, people would've hounded the FA for being arrogant, particularly in 2018 when most people expected England to be knocked out in the second round. The only time Southgate's job has been under threat was in the summer of 2022, but at that point there wasn't enough time to hire a new manager and get him settled in.
@@HarvesterYT Yep I agree. I think this is why Euro 2024 has to be the benchmark. If not there will be a good range of good managers to replace him available.
Serbia may seem like an easy opponent on paper, but remember never count anyone out and most of all don't expect anything until the kick off whistle is blown and a ball is kicked
Agree, actually think Serbia have underachieved in recent years.
As an American, there’s lots of comparisons you can make with Gareth Southgate at England and our own managerial situation with Gregg Berhalter, (how fitting that the one time the two managers faced each other it ended in a boring 0-0 draw haha).
Like Southgate, Berhalter came into the team when they were at an all time low as we had just failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup. Berhalter deserves a lot of credit for completely redesigning the team and taking them to a whole other level. Under Berhalter the US has won the 2021 Nations League, won the 2021 Gold Cup, qualified for the 2022 World Cup and had a good showing all while surpassed Mexico in almost all aspects. However, just like Southgate, Berhalter has serious limitations. His in-game management is not the best, his squad selection can be questionable, he is clearly punching above his weight tactically and under Berhalter, the US does not have any era-defining victories against an elite team. The dull playing style despite having an extremely talented attacking lineup is also cause for concern.
My opinion of Berhalter with the US is the same as my opinion of Southgate with England. I think both of them have achieved a lot and deserve credit, but ultimately, they taken the team as far as they can and should step down.
That's really interesting because I am far more pessimistic about Greggs than I am about Southgate. I think Gareth has continually been successful at getting England to score lots of goals. Whereas Berhalter has continually set up his team to be as boring as possible. I support Gareth getting to Euro 2024 but you should sack Berhalter immediately imo.
Edit: Accidentally calling Gregg, 'Greggs' is the most British thing I've ever done 🤣
@@intothefray12
I generally agree. Berhalter should’ve been gone after the World Cup but for whatever reason, US Soccer Federation decided to renew his contract.
KO wins for England managers between Ramsay and GS (1974-2016, 42 year period): 6
KO wins for England under Southgate alone: 6
You can remark about easy draws all you like but no doubt Southgate's done something right compared to his predecessors...
If England are set up in a way where Bellingham and Kane are given as many chances as possible I think we'll be looking good for the Euros
If only England defeated France in 2022, we could’ve seen England vs Argentina in the Final! That would’ve been amazing to see a repeat of 1986
Winner gets the Falklands/Malvinas
I'm not from England but I look on the hate Southgate gets with bewilderment. England achieved absolutely nothing since 1996 and that was a semi final. Despite a talented pool of players, Round of 16 exist in 1998, Group Stage in 2000, Quarterfinals in 2002, 2004 and 2006, not even qualifying for 2008, Round of 16 in 2010, Quarterfinals in 2012, Group Stage in 2014 and Round of 16 loss in 2016 against Iceland. For the first time in most people's lifetime is England a powerhouse. Southgate may not be the biggest and flashy name, but he's achieved the most since 1966 of any manager. And the way fans treat him, you'd think he was having the results of the banter 2000's era.
That all being said, England have an uber talented squad. Barring unlucky penalties, Southgate has to win this one without excuses. But I'll say this much. If Southgate's success with England was coached by a man called Gerrard or Lampard, there would be far more backing.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if England won this year's European Championship on German soil of all places?
To be fair, Germany are infamously bad on home soil, so it's not impossible for England!
@@intothefray12 the headlines would write themselves 😂
The two world cups were probably about the teams limits, but the euro finals wasn’t Italy being good, that was a bottlejob from England, we should have won that game in the first half alone.
Oyarzabal.
10:16 ah okey...this was the worst Germany side in the last 20 Years