I used to convert vehicles to propane & dual fuel systems. Propane is approx 130 octane (if memory is right). I replaced more heads & burnt valves than I can remember. The engines we built used sodium valves & hardened valve seats, other wise it would eat valve's. That seemed to cure that problem.
It's a good thing you didn't apply for a patent because you could easily wind up missing shortly after. With the advent of the internet, these systems are becoming more difficult to contain. But people have invented and patented this in the past, which led to their demise. Great info, though and love the design! Keep up the good work!
This video is a repost of a very old video (back when the iPhone 3G was new). The original TH-camr, was “The Backyard Physicist”. I doubt that Thomas Paine is “the Backyard Physicist”. His channel has been long gone.
We are getting our freedom back and of course they're going to do something to stop us but it is a requirement to collect all the information we can and spread it far and wide as fast as we can but you're right when you use the patent office and all that crap the government gets a red flag on your idea and they suppress it and kill you and of course learn your intellectual secrets for their self gain if you don't patent it then the government can regulate it and on top of that even if there is a patent on that idea as long as you do not make it for financial gain they cannot do anything about it so if you give it freely to the world these monarchy people will fall apart and we can go and kill him for the injuries they inflicted upon us I never had this much information at the touch of my fingers I come from the lower class community and I've been wanting so much information on the net from the world and I have a couple people that I want to kill now that I know there really is no law and the Fourteenth Amendment citizen is non-existent and that I'm no United States citizen there is no Maritime contract I never agreed all fraud and now I am their enemy I study I learn all I can from the internet as fast as I can I just wish I could archive a lot of the information I found just in case they try to prevent others from getting this in the future so spread learn spread learn teach free others
Wow ! So nice to hear from you ! I can actually understand what you are doing since you are kind enough to explain your system, the modifications needed and the reasons why they are needed. Your clear understanding of how an engine works is so refreshing !
Nice work I am trying to eliminate the need to regulate the vapors by simply using an air pump to pressurize fuel vapor and use a large injector to allow electronic control which would be easier than mechanical control it is sad the original up loader dispersed. I learned some valuable information from this video. THANK YOU.
I like the quality of your build and the controls. Give us an update on how it works. Don't forget to distill the gasoline to romove the high temp liquids which make 1/7 to 1/4 of total gasoline volume. See "Distilling Gasoline" (dangerous but necessary) to make this work.
NOPE I built one and went from 15 miles per gallon to 40 miles per gallon an increase of 150%. Now I need to simply control the process and then it will be finished. Nobody has done it like I have. IT WORKS!!!!!
Instead of a bubbler to create gas vapor, how about running a metal fuel line through a 12v induction heater coil. Obviously, it must be regulated or you will torch the fuel line. I'm thinking set up with a blinker switch to pulse the power supply to the heater. But this way white gasoline vapor is produced instantly and can be directed anywhere in the manifold you choose. What do you think?
This is a great starting base that can be improved apon. I have been doing alot of research on this and have found this video extemely helpful. This is almost a 300 mile to the gallon system. The thing I can see that would make it go further is to heat the gas even more. 400 or higher. That would vaporize every hydocarbon in the gasoline mixture. At 600 it is close to spontaneous combustion. At that temperature you can use just about anything as fule. That means waste and more drive time.
Anybody else curious why this guy hasn't posted a single video on his channel after 6 years?... especially after a video describing how to get better gas mileage...🤔
NPC S/N 1579325 I ran and drove my car on petrol/gas vapour and it actually worked! If your interested, I posted a video of the whole thing. th-cam.com/users/NathanR1995
@John Miller I was posting in the thread about evap carburetors, and noticed about your Dad.. he seemed rather knowledgeable on the subject.. Sorry to hear of his passing.. What happened..??
@John Miller Interesting... I personally knew both Nelson Pogue as well as another gentleman who worked for him, building these Evap carbs, as well as built one for his own Straight-8 car,, Apparently it got amazing gas mileage just as Pogue had advertised. The mystery was when a demo carb on display at a technology exhibition in Winnipeg was stolen, and that was the excuse to not pursue any further development. At that time there had already been a couple of successful field trials on small trucks operating on the streets. A strange twist was that as long as I knew Nelson, he owned an older late 60's Dark green Pontiac with a hasp and padlock securing the hood..!! He would NEVER discuss anything about the carburetor he invented, , but he always seemed to be financially sound and in fact assisted our church to pay off the mortgage. Art, the gentleman who worked for him told me a lot of details about the carb, and I have a pretty good understanding of the science behind it. It is sound and would be easy to replicate, except it cannot work with fuel injection, which I think the auto industry deliberately moved over to, to ensure that the carburetor would never be a factor. I am aware a a few small gas-powered devices as well as several gas and diesel powered large trucks that have successfully used the same concept in a crude form to operate at high mileage on the highway. One day I would love to experiment with it and prove its worth.... JIM
It runs at a steady speed most of the time (with only 8 pre-selected speeds for the engineer to choose from). All engines run most efficiently at a steady speed.
Great ideas. I'm not particularly knowledgable on engine mechanics as the people on here. It would be great to have a website dedicated to this technology where you all could collaborate and inform others if there already isn't.
+Adrian Cutter - do not believe everything some people posted against this man, who offered something for nothing. Some of the people here are absolute idiots that have more pride and ignorance than knowledge. The system works, yet it must be customized to achieve "perfect" (which means, btw, "made for" in Latin).
I drive 45 miles one way to work and I am very interested in this. I would like to be kept in the loop on your testing and findings and results. If I can save money on gas going to and from work it would make my life a lot easier.
You should also look into the new concept car made by Elio Motors. They are proposing a 2 person commuting car that gets 84 mpg, base price less than $7000. They are planning on going into production for the public by the end of 2016
Have you ever found a solution? Ive been searching for a year, as my commute is actually double that... and pf chose Princess are now at an all time high
this is very similar to smokey yunick fiero he referred to it as a hot air engine heating the engine and a/f mix to 250 though 180 was the minimal for any benefit and a turbo was added in there to ”homogenize” through a box full of coarse steel wool with copper pipe coil connected to coolant... smokey yunick fiero
Or you can change your exhaust to a much bigger setup to eliminate or drastically reduce exhaust backpressure and therefore eliminating or minimizing overlap purge (scavenging period) since the exhaust gas velocity is non existant to drastically reduced. (If overlap purge (scavenging) is the only issue that is)
the fact that humanitarian inventors/engineers and their efforts towards clean highly efficient energy go missing and their work steifeled really makes me sad and even want to cry when i think about the fact that they could be dead, all because they were doing a good deed for the benefit of others. regardless thankyou for the re-upload.
it's ton/mile per gallon ... and CSX runs with steel wheels on steel rails ... each box car has a total of roughly 1 square inch contact with the rail -- not much rolling resistance, next to no flex in either the wheel or the rail and, now that the fleet has been converted to roller bearings, not much friction at the axles. A diesel locomotive is essentially a diesel motor powering an electrical generator (to drive the axles) and an air compressor to operate the brakes.
PreDistilling the gas will eliminate the complexity of cleaning the fuel as you go IE: seperating and storing the residue or using an injector to put the cleaning agents through the engine. Get the vaporizer running first then deal with continuous operation with off the shelf fuel.
In the hummvee the injector pump would over heat and the only way I could make it stop was to add motor oil to the fuel to absorb the heat. Never had a problem with the valves on the F250 to F550 pickups running them on JP8. The reason we used JP8 instead of diesel is because there was plenty of it and the military did not want to waist money on shipping two different types of fuel when one would do.All that was necessary was to add motor oil to the fuel to remove some of the excess heat and to lubricate the top of the engine and the high pressure pump or injector pump.Trust me I spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to make JP8 work in a diesel engine with almost nothing to work with.It was hard on things like high pressure pumps or injector pumps that required lubrication from the fuel. JP8 had little to no lubrication.
Love u 4 sharing the knowledge. Cleaner burn and high mileage is the way 2 go. Going 2 build one. Need more knowledge. Cam specs 4 instance and best dia. 4 a evaporation tube 4 a 2.5liter engine. Would like 2 stand on your shoulders and see farther :-)
I wanna throw up when I see a late model Merc or BMW drive down the road, cars can reverse park them selves now and they have the same fuel consumption as of 40 years ago AND THE PUBLIC STILL BUYS THEM never ever buy a new car
Twin cam engines have two belt driven pulleys. my race car came with vernier gears so that the cam timing could easily be adjusted, a crude way would be to just move the cam pulleys around until there is no overlap in the valves. If you dont want a high performance engine just some thing that runs then perhaps that would work. Naphthalene has 10 carbons and 8 hydrogen's, so you can mix hydrogen into the fuel, this will reduce emissions too. these engine mods can be used if you running on hydrogen as a fuel so the more hydrogen you can get into the liquid before using it the better.
I've done this before and modern US gasoline at-the-pump has been engineered by adding surfactants and heavy molecular chains that always return to a liquid during the compression cycle. Liquid does not burn, but it does absorb heat, expand, and drive the cylinder. Replacing your spark plugs with a Herman Pleasant Anderson & injector hybrid design may deliver the MPG sought. Professor Ricketts (sp) was last known to be near Murfreesboro
+nectarsniffer now there was a true engine bulider his hot vaper engine cut/ wote a new chapter in fuel/air temp buy the time the mixture reach the cylinder it was 440* F and the engine got 60 mpg using points & carb- and Gas flash temp is a round 500* F
I don't understand the part where it says that your camshaft has to be modified, how in the world would you know how much to shave off the top it looks like he did it on a regular mill not a cnc and why would you have to do that to run the same fuel in your vehicle?
I guess nobody wants to point out the fact that the vapor engine was designed by Smokey Yunick .....but a lot of people try to claim it ? Adiabatic engines have been around a while Thomas how and when did you “invent “ this?
I've always felt that the only way any kind of technology that undermines oil profits will make it into mainstream is if the inventor is willing to share it freely without trying to get rich . Besides, whoever invents and distributes a technology that frees the world and turns the energy industry on its head will likely never have to worry about anything ever again, as they would probably be one of the most popular people in the world, especially if their intentions are pure.
All Diesel engines will run on jet fuel without any modification, we ran all our diesels on JP8, from Hummvees to tanks to APC's and ASV's to civilian tractor trailers and pickup trucks. This was in the entire Iraq AOR. The gasoline vehicles were run on Mogas.
Pure Kro will burn the valves in a diesel unless you have a modern diesel which the military should have with a computer operated timing system, I was talking about a regular diesel, and yes it will burn the valves, but the military has lots of engines and plenty of replacement parts and engines. Also the Hummers and tanks you operated over there was all "flex fuel" engines and not ready avail. to the public here. An A1 tank will run on anything short of water so don't start acting like you know how all this stuff runs and operates internally, by your statement you don't.
jeff dye you wouldn't want to put an extremely high octane fuel in such a low compression engine... Just doesn't make any sense and would do more damage than good anyways. If it was done it must have been done out of desperation because diesel is a very cheap fuel, although it's marketed as a much more expensive product you can make your own diesel pretty dang easily in a bathtub with some fat and fire....
Joshua DeMott , don't let this get too wild here, I grew up in trucking and diesel runs in the blood. The reason the military developed an engine that will run on anything so in the field they could take fuel (no matter what it was) and put it in the fuel tank and keep going. This confab is very old, not sure why you are in this today, as my last comment to Jeff was 8 months ago. Jeff has displayed little knowledge or history of fuels so don't let him con you into the idea he has all the knowledge......... not by a long shot. I bet he did not know you can run a model T on pure grain alcohol, yeah in the south it's called White Lightning. A jet will burn anything short of gas as it will explode instead of burn in the expan, chamber, unless you can mix a lot of used oil with it to slow the bang down to a burn, then it will run fine.
I am a diesel mechanic and own my own Freightliner. You need to add one quart of oil to every 10 gals. of Kero to make sure the lubrication is there. Peter is correct. It might run on it but not for long. I also have a plane and it can run on the new gas but you have to change the float needle and seat to all metal like that had on a Model A carb, then you are ready to go. Note to the FAA: My plane has metal tanks, not rubber.
CNC is just a regular mill + computers & sensors. The lobes are essentially circles that are off-set from center. Look at the left end of his fixturing, at the dividing head. There's the secret. He explained why and he knew how much because he did the math. Now it's your turn.
I know it is not your intention, but please make a diy version available of both the vapor chamber with fuel control and the throttle body. Make any buyer sign a hold harmless and as a kit ou should be good to go. Please consider this Thanks.
Glad I could help. I was waiting for his follow-up video and noticed the MIB got him.... er something - I suspect patent claims. RealPlayer has a really simple TH-cam download function. When you see something you don't want to see disappear like this video, then "Download Video" it is. And then when it disappears, you can put it right back up. Now, you can thank me by making another copy. Be vigilant!
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SCREW AROUND WITH THE CAM AND TIMING. MY ENGINE WORKED SUPER ON VAPOR AND IT RAN BETTER. WHEN I CONVERTED BACK TO THE REGULAR SYSTEM THE ENGINE RAN BETTER FOR ABOUT ONE WEEK!!!!
no way does not suck most people dont even know about burning up your valves for simple fact they dont know much about motors ive foubd it hard to eliminate valve float at high RPMs its almost impossible its a question on ASE test I like that pic of mill set up GET"ER DONE LOL great video trying to explain it to some of these good people LOL COOL!
I know a guy who does a lot of business being the middle man in stuff. He worked with a lot of people who disappear after coming up with stuff like this.
Seach google for Smokey Yunick's Adiabatic Engine. He wasn't the first to think of the idea, but I think he was the first to make a workable system out of it.
Great designed and much appreciated for sharing it. Could you please quote me the amount for the complete FVS kit. Thanks and glad to hear from you soon Romeo.
All what you present looks good but I have a question: why when an engine is converted for running on lp gas it is not necesary to modify the valve timing?
It is, 427 ford engine in the company's F600 burned valves AND seats before they found a co in california that sold a completely diff cam , then 4 years later we pulled the engine apart because when it was put in it already had 150 thousand miles, inside looked like new but for old bearing wear!
I need to get my focus in on one serious projrct at a time. I love what you are doing though. Your Ideas are well developed.You are open source you should leave out a key that only you and some trusted people know: for good backup. You understand? There are ruthless people out here on the net that will gladly take your innovations and start up Billion dollar companies. Protect your plans, youtbe in itself is one way to proove date of concept. Mail it to yourself save POSTDATE Leave SEALED. Peace
A big bonus with using propane, your oil will still look like new after many hours, Ive torn down propane engines after 75,000 miles of use & the insides look new. Engines will last 5X longer burning 100% propane. Only about 35% of gasoline that goes down yer engines throat is burned & used, the rest goes out the exhaust pipe & into the oil.
No. I never saw the other video parts. Only this one which I happened to copy. The original poster deleted his account shortly thereafter which is why I put it back up. I noticed I get a lot of subscribers due to this video. Glad others are taking notice also.
Even if you do not patent this creation you should keep a record of the dates of design to have them so you are not jilted by someone deciding to patent it as their creation, assuming yours is unique in design.... thanks for sharing. Peace.
I understand the dangers of the valve timing. The hot exhaust gas coming in contact with the intake fuel works well for fuel droplets but is asking for trouble with vapor. So with that said, has anyone tried simply changing the timing of the can shaft gears/belt? I'm no expert on engines or mathematics (for calculating timing,) but it seems to me that this may be a very much simpler work around.
The piston might crash into an open valve if the needed valve position v ignition v exhaust is acquired,though changing the cam to a better profile cam would be better,a simple flash arestor would be easier to implement,such as that used in the "DAVY LAMP" INVENTED BY SIR HUMPHRY DAVY for use in coal mines that allowed gas to permeate a gauze filter to make a candle or wick burn brighter but would not allow a flame front to ignite stopping the lamp from igniting explosive gases in the mine and warning the miners of deadly gasses that had no smell.when set up properly with ceramic coated valves the engine will run on LPG(liquid petroleum gas),just like fork lift truck do.
Why couldn't you simply adjust the timing to TDC to get the timing adjustment rather than milling the CAM Shafts? I am also going to question the size of your vaporization tank and especially the outlets. Is that really enough volume to run a large V-8 engine? I can believe it would run a lawn mower. The throttle body on my V-8 is of much larger diameter than what he's showing. It's nice that you tell people how internal combustion engines work. This video was from almost 7 years ago and there's NO follow up showing a finished product and test drive. What happened? Did you put your modified CAM shafts back in the engine only to find out you could have and should have just advanced the timing? Didn't run maybe? OR was this video set up to mislead people and waste their time? I checked your page and learned that there is NO Part I, II, III, IV. How is it you jumped to Part V? So noble of you to spare us the basics or have I called this video BS correctly?
The issue with ethanol is its ability to vaporize, coupled with less BTU's. Gasoline has properties that make it easier to work with like -40 F vapor temp. Its not to say you can't, but your intake temperatures will have to be higher to maintain a gaseous state. All in all, more work for less btu's.
He says minimal changes... while modifying the cam shaft. Maybe i'm biased as a father of two little ones, but this system isn't something that can be built by anyone who works full time and does anything else outside of work.
so a couple of things have you tried this with alt fuel like e-85, it would be nice to see alcohol being used, as its by product is mainly water and co2, with very little hydrocarbons or so2. The other question is how did you heat treat cam after machining.
Timing of valves is really confusing because how it works in reality is the same way he spoke about it and I sow that on too many engines so 4 strokes starting with intake stroke valve opens up and close then compression then firing then exhaust and once you miss the timing of firing there won’t be any power in that piston so can any mechanic explain what the guy is talking about in this video!!!????
It may very well be a simple design, but it always seems to be an exact science. Obviously the motor company's are in bed with the oil companies. So this design was immediately off the shelves... . I can't understand why both valves would be open just before the intake stroke? Everything could be changed with a cam designed like the one you made? That alone might take care of heating problems when running a lean mixture? On-top of that... if they incorporated reed valves with a higher intake (I'd go with a carb), that too would atomize the gas and air to a huge extent, allowing to run a real lean mixture, and more fuel mileage! . Does the gas go bad, or is it all literally vaporized?
The idea is to literally vaporize ALL the gasoline. Every bit of it. Eagle Research has the best sources of knowledge on this topic. Its a lot more complex than most people think.
Thomas Paine, it is not right to show this and not communicate how efficient it was. If it worked 'show us', if not 'tell us'. One could inject mist/water between each stoke to greatly delay exposure to incoming gases and eliminate heat expiration by a large radiator. If done correctly will creat power from the steamed water.
Let me see if I have this right- a normal car engine burns off of gas mist...as opposed to these extra mileage designs that burn the gas vapors...the difference being that vapor is less dense,less molecules , thus you get get more mpg by using less gas overall????
Part V only? Where are parts 1234? Modify CAM shaft? How about simply adjust the timing? Where is part 6 that would show the final result? 7 years is long enough, no? I wonder where you are coming from? Maybe TPTB have silenced you? Let us know at least.
+pat galloway why don't you check out what you typed and fix it so it actually tells us something. I tried to look this up and all it did was bring me back to this video. look at your spelling pal
What I gather from this comment is that I should forget converting my gasoline generator to propane, right? Ruin the valves and head...?? Any suggestions? Would this same problem occur if I run my car engine on vapor? I would appreciate your input on this. Thank you.
converting a car to run on gas vapors? ... shoudnt have any effect on the valve train. Propane burns at a higher heat level than gasoline vapor. Generator to propane?.... it will run just fine, if you wanna keep it for a long time, id talk to a machine shop about installing hardened valves & seats. How long standard factory valves will last is anyone's guess. Hope this helped?
This video was posted over 5 years ago, should we comb the deserts to find Thomas's body? He said he would be back with the results... Hope he's not in a lot of Paine... If this is "Part V" where are part I to IV? Did the government took them off? OYG!!!
I used to convert vehicles to propane & dual fuel systems. Propane is approx 130 octane (if memory is right). I replaced more heads & burnt valves than I can remember. The engines we built used sodium valves & hardened valve seats, other wise it would eat valve's. That seemed to cure that problem.
It'd be interesting to hear from Mr Paine as to if he ever got any further with this project.
Thank you Mr. Thomas. You are truly one of the few genuionly good minded people on earth.
You DESERVE a place in heaven.
It's a good thing you didn't apply for a patent because you could easily wind up missing shortly after. With the advent of the internet, these systems are becoming more difficult to contain. But people have invented and patented this in the past, which led to their demise.
Great info, though and love the design! Keep up the good work!
This video is a repost of a very old video (back when the iPhone 3G was new). The original TH-camr, was “The Backyard Physicist”. I doubt that Thomas Paine is “the Backyard Physicist”. His channel has been long gone.
We are getting our freedom back and of course they're going to do something to stop us but it is a requirement to collect all the information we can and spread it far and wide as fast as we can but you're right when you use the patent office and all that crap the government gets a red flag on your idea and they suppress it and kill you and of course learn your intellectual secrets for their self gain if you don't patent it then the government can regulate it and on top of that even if there is a patent on that idea as long as you do not make it for financial gain they cannot do anything about it so if you give it freely to the world these monarchy people will fall apart and we can go and kill him for the injuries they inflicted upon us I never had this much information at the touch of my fingers I come from the lower class community and I've been wanting so much information on the net from the world and I have a couple people that I want to kill now that I know there really is no law and the Fourteenth Amendment citizen is non-existent and that I'm no United States citizen there is no Maritime contract I never agreed all fraud and now I am their enemy I study I learn all I can from the internet as fast as I can I just wish I could archive a lot of the information I found just in case they try to prevent others from getting this in the future so spread learn spread learn teach free others
Excellent. I've been obsessed with these ideas.
Wow ! So nice to hear from you ! I can actually understand what you are doing since you are kind enough to explain your system, the modifications needed and the reasons why they are needed. Your clear understanding of how an engine works is so refreshing !
Fuel vapor, Water vapor, and HHO. So many things to test with so many possibilities!
Nice work I am trying to eliminate the need to regulate the vapors by simply using an air pump to pressurize fuel vapor and use a large injector to allow electronic control which would be easier than mechanical control it is sad the original up loader dispersed. I learned some valuable information from this video. THANK YOU.
Great job. Very nice presentation. I am an experienced engine builder and your on track. Cheers
David A. Puchta
I like the quality of your build and the controls. Give us an update on how it works.
Don't forget to distill the gasoline to romove the high temp liquids which make 1/7 to 1/4 of total gasoline volume.
See "Distilling Gasoline" (dangerous but necessary) to make this work.
Absolutely NOT NECESSARY to distill any fuel.. This concept has always worked on simple ordinary pump gas.!!
NOPE I built one and went from 15 miles per gallon to 40 miles per gallon an increase of 150%. Now I need to simply control the process and then it will be finished. Nobody has done it like I have. IT WORKS!!!!!
astromanism that's right, just need to control the process now.
Control the process??
Instead of a bubbler to create gas vapor, how about running a metal fuel line through a 12v induction heater coil. Obviously, it must be regulated or you will torch the fuel line. I'm thinking set up with a blinker switch to pulse the power supply to the heater. But this way white gasoline vapor is produced instantly and can be directed anywhere in the manifold you choose. What do you think?
This is a great starting base that can be improved apon. I have been doing alot of research on this and have found this video extemely helpful. This is almost a 300 mile to the gallon system. The thing I can see that would make it go further is to heat the gas even more. 400 or higher. That would vaporize every hydocarbon in the gasoline mixture. At 600 it is close to spontaneous combustion. At that temperature you can use just about anything as fule. That means waste and more drive time.
Anybody else curious why this guy hasn't posted a single video on his channel after 6 years?... especially after a video describing how to get better gas mileage...🤔
NPC S/N 1579325 I ran and drove my car on petrol/gas vapour and it actually worked! If your interested, I posted a video of the whole thing.
th-cam.com/users/NathanR1995
@John Miller John.. Would you please contact me... I knew Nelson Pogue personally...
@John Miller I was posting in the thread about evap carburetors, and noticed about your Dad.. he seemed rather knowledgeable on the subject.. Sorry to hear of his passing.. What happened..??
@John Miller Interesting... I personally knew both Nelson Pogue as well as another gentleman who worked for him, building these Evap carbs, as well as built one for his own Straight-8 car,, Apparently it got amazing gas mileage just as Pogue had advertised. The mystery was when a demo carb on display at a technology exhibition in Winnipeg was stolen, and that was the excuse to not pursue any further development. At that time there had already been a couple of successful field trials on small trucks operating on the streets.
A strange twist was that as long as I knew Nelson, he owned an older late 60's Dark green Pontiac with a hasp and padlock securing the hood..!! He would NEVER discuss anything about the carburetor he invented, , but he always seemed to be financially sound and in fact assisted our church to pay off the mortgage. Art, the gentleman who worked for him told me a lot of details about the carb, and I have a pretty good understanding of the science behind it. It is sound and would be easy to replicate, except it cannot work with fuel injection, which I think the auto industry deliberately moved over to, to ensure that the carburetor would never be a factor.
I am aware a a few small gas-powered devices as well as several gas and diesel powered large trucks that have successfully used the same concept in a crude form to operate at high mileage on the highway. One day I would love to experiment with it and prove its worth.... JIM
@John Miller interesting..!!
this was a great video, thank you very much for posting! You have really inspired me!
Dude you just made it seem so much more complicated than it really is.
and how many of these devices have you built that successfully performed on any significant gas-powered vehicles or equipment..??
It runs at a steady speed most of the time (with only 8 pre-selected speeds for the engineer to choose from). All engines run most efficiently at a steady speed.
Great ideas. I'm not particularly knowledgable on engine mechanics as the people on here. It would be great to have a website dedicated to this technology where you all could collaborate and inform others if there already isn't.
+Adrian Cutter - do not believe everything some people posted against this man, who offered something for nothing. Some of the people here are absolute idiots that have more pride and ignorance than knowledge. The system works, yet it must be customized to achieve "perfect" (which means, btw, "made for" in Latin).
adrin cutter
go away spy.
I drive 45 miles one way to work and I am very interested in this. I would like to be kept in the loop on your testing and findings and results. If I can save money on gas going to and from work it would make my life a lot easier.
You should also look into the new concept car made by Elio Motors. They are proposing a 2 person commuting car that gets 84 mpg, base price less than $7000. They are planning on going into production for the public by the end of 2016
Have you ever found a solution? Ive been searching for a year, as my commute is actually double that... and pf chose Princess are now at an all time high
@@turningwrenchesonoldcars4091 Those things are uglier than Teslas
@@brianheath5091 yeah my comment from 6 years ago did not aged well. The elio is a pipe dream.
this is very similar to smokey yunick fiero he referred to it as a hot air engine heating the engine and a/f mix to 250 though 180 was the minimal for any benefit and a turbo was added in there to ”homogenize” through a box full of coarse steel wool with copper pipe coil connected to coolant... smokey yunick fiero
Thank you, very clear explanation 👍
Or you can change your exhaust to a much bigger setup to eliminate or drastically reduce exhaust backpressure and therefore eliminating or minimizing overlap purge (scavenging period) since the exhaust gas velocity is non existant to drastically reduced.
(If overlap purge (scavenging) is the only issue that is)
the fact that humanitarian inventors/engineers and their efforts towards clean highly efficient energy go missing and their work steifeled really makes me sad and even want to cry when i think about the fact that they could be dead, all because they were doing a good deed for the benefit of others. regardless thankyou for the re-upload.
it's ton/mile per gallon ... and CSX runs with steel wheels on steel rails ... each box car has a total of roughly 1 square inch contact with the rail -- not much rolling resistance, next to no flex in either the wheel or the rail and, now that the fleet has been converted to roller bearings, not much friction at the axles. A diesel locomotive is essentially a diesel motor powering an electrical generator (to drive the axles) and an air compressor to operate the brakes.
PreDistilling the gas will eliminate the complexity of cleaning the fuel as you go IE: seperating and storing the residue or using an injector to put the cleaning agents through the engine.
Get the vaporizer running first then deal with continuous operation with off the shelf fuel.
Add a hollow metal ball between carb and intake manifold atomizes and vaporizes gas doubles gas mileage and cleans up emissions
Robert, can you give more info on what you said and what luck you've had?
Thank-you
Do you have more detailed instructions on how to build this? I've been wanting to build one for my Honda, it already gets 35mpg, I want to get 70mpg.
In the hummvee the injector pump would over heat and the only way I could make it stop was to add motor oil to the fuel to absorb the heat. Never had a problem with the valves on the F250 to F550 pickups running them on JP8. The reason we used JP8 instead of diesel is because there was plenty of it and the military did not want to waist money on shipping two different types of fuel when one would do.All that was necessary was to add motor oil to the fuel to remove some of the excess heat and to lubricate the top of the engine and the high pressure pump or injector pump.Trust me I spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to make JP8 work in a diesel engine with almost nothing to work with.It was hard on things like high pressure pumps or injector pumps that required lubrication from the fuel. JP8 had little to no lubrication.
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THIS VIDEO IS SO INGENIOUS. YOU WOULD`T UNDERSTAND.
Love u 4 sharing the knowledge. Cleaner burn and high mileage is the way 2 go. Going 2 build one. Need more knowledge. Cam specs 4 instance and best dia. 4 a evaporation tube 4 a 2.5liter engine. Would like 2 stand on your shoulders and see farther :-)
I wanna throw up when I see a late model Merc or BMW drive down the road, cars can reverse park them selves now and they have the same fuel consumption as of 40 years ago AND THE PUBLIC STILL BUYS THEM never ever buy a new car
Thanks I started on a 13 hp generator project, and will try some of your suggestions,thanks again Dominic.
Twin cam engines have two belt driven pulleys. my race car came with vernier gears so that the cam timing could easily be adjusted, a crude way would be to just move the cam pulleys around until there is no overlap in the valves. If you dont want a high performance engine just some thing that runs then perhaps that would work.
Naphthalene has 10 carbons and 8 hydrogen's, so you can mix hydrogen into the fuel, this will reduce emissions too. these engine mods can be used if you running on hydrogen as a fuel so the more hydrogen you can get into the liquid before using it the better.
what do you mean "my racecar"
+EVZebra "more precisely adjusted" i think you mean.
MrHabitat009
Fiat 131 Abarth, it was The World Rally Champion for 4 years in a row.
+EVZebra that's awesome I didn't know that. right on!
Where are you now Thomas? You are a genius!
I've done this before and modern US gasoline at-the-pump has been engineered by adding surfactants and heavy molecular chains that always return to a liquid during the compression cycle. Liquid does not burn, but it does absorb heat, expand, and drive the cylinder. Replacing your spark plugs with a Herman Pleasant Anderson & injector hybrid design may deliver the MPG sought. Professor Ricketts (sp) was last known to be near Murfreesboro
Are you still working on mileage Stuff ??? Please let me know Sir and thanks too.
Reminds me of Smokey Yunicks engine in the early 80's.....
+nectarsniffer
now there was a true engine bulider his hot vaper engine cut/ wote a new chapter in fuel/air temp buy the time the mixture reach the cylinder it was
440* F and the engine got 60 mpg using points & carb- and Gas flash temp
is a round 500* F
I don't understand the part where it says that your camshaft has to be modified, how in the world would you know how much to shave off the top it looks like he did it on a regular mill not a cnc and why would you have to do that to run the same fuel in your vehicle?
I guess nobody wants to point out the fact that the vapor engine was designed by Smokey Yunick .....but a lot of people try to claim it ? Adiabatic engines have been around a while Thomas how and when did you “invent “ this?
I've always felt that the only way any kind of technology that undermines oil profits will make it into mainstream is if the inventor is willing to share it freely without trying to get rich . Besides, whoever invents and distributes a technology that frees the world and turns the energy industry on its head will likely never have to worry about anything ever again, as they would probably be one of the most popular people in the world, especially if their intentions are pure.
All Diesel engines will run on jet fuel without any modification, we ran all our diesels on JP8, from Hummvees to tanks to APC's and ASV's to civilian tractor trailers and pickup trucks. This was in the entire Iraq AOR. The gasoline vehicles were run on Mogas.
Pure Kro will burn the valves in a diesel unless you have a modern diesel which the military should have with a computer operated timing system, I was talking about a regular diesel, and yes it will burn the valves, but the military has lots of engines and plenty of replacement parts and engines. Also the Hummers and tanks you operated over there was all "flex fuel" engines and not ready avail. to the public here. An A1 tank will run on anything short of water so don't start acting like you know how all this stuff runs and operates internally, by your statement you don't.
jeff dye you wouldn't want to put an extremely high octane fuel in such a low compression engine... Just doesn't make any sense and would do more damage than good anyways. If it was done it must have been done out of desperation because diesel is a very cheap fuel, although it's marketed as a much more expensive product you can make your own diesel pretty dang easily in a bathtub with some fat and fire....
Joshua DeMott , don't let this get too wild here, I grew up in trucking and diesel runs in the blood. The reason the military developed an engine that will run on anything so in the field they could take fuel (no matter what it was) and put it in the fuel tank and keep going. This confab is very old, not sure why you are in this today, as my last comment to Jeff was 8 months ago. Jeff has displayed little knowledge or history of fuels so don't let him con you into the idea he has all the knowledge......... not by a long shot. I bet he did not know you can run a model T on pure grain alcohol, yeah in the south it's called White Lightning. A jet will burn anything short of gas as it will explode instead of burn in the expan, chamber, unless you can mix a lot of used oil with it to slow the bang down to a burn, then it will run fine.
"jet fuel" is kerosene...so is lamp oil...
I am a diesel mechanic and own my own Freightliner. You need to add one quart of oil to every 10 gals. of Kero to make sure the lubrication is there. Peter is correct. It might run on it but not for long. I also have a plane and it can run on the new gas but you have to change the float needle and seat to all metal like that had on a Model A carb, then you are ready to go. Note to the FAA: My plane has metal tanks, not rubber.
CNC is just a regular mill + computers & sensors. The lobes are essentially circles that are off-set from center. Look at the left end of his fixturing, at the dividing head. There's the secret. He explained why and he knew how much because he did the math. Now it's your turn.
The original posting of this video disappeared - so here's a copy.
Very good music (for a change)
I know it is not your intention, but please make a diy version available of both the vapor chamber with fuel control and the throttle body. Make any buyer sign a hold harmless and as a kit ou should be good to go. Please consider this Thanks.
Glad I could help. I was waiting for his follow-up video and noticed the MIB got him.... er something - I suspect patent claims.
RealPlayer has a really simple TH-cam download function. When you see something you don't want to see disappear like this video, then "Download Video" it is. And then when it disappears, you can put it right back up.
Now, you can thank me by making another copy. Be vigilant!
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SCREW AROUND WITH THE CAM AND TIMING. MY ENGINE WORKED SUPER ON VAPOR AND IT RAN BETTER. WHEN I CONVERTED BACK TO THE REGULAR SYSTEM THE ENGINE RAN BETTER FOR ABOUT ONE WEEK!!!!
You must be the smartest man alive. I submit. Hey youtube, look at this guy ^.. hes very smart and powerful
Propane (LPG)..has similar problems in burning valves and seats,rather than changing camshafts,hardened valves and seats are fitted to gas(LPG) heads
no way does not suck most people dont even know about burning up your valves for simple fact they dont know much about motors ive foubd it hard to eliminate valve float at high RPMs its almost impossible its a question on ASE test I like that pic of mill set up GET"ER DONE LOL great video trying to explain it to some of these good people LOL COOL!
+Nena Pike true
I know a guy who does a lot of business being the middle man in stuff. He worked with a lot of people who disappear after coming up with stuff like this.
Seach google for Smokey Yunick's Adiabatic Engine. He wasn't the first to think of the idea, but I think he was the first to make a workable system out of it.
that vaporiser looks like its made for Volkswagen transporter /Caravelle
it will seat perfectly instead of my fuel filter same size and shape
Hello Thomas. Can You make an instruction, and material list I would need to accomplish all the things to make what You are showing in this video???
Great designed and much appreciated for sharing it. Could you please quote me the amount for the complete FVS kit.
Thanks and glad to hear from you soon
Romeo.
All what you present looks good but I have a question:
why when an engine is converted for running on lp gas it is not necesary to modify the valve timing?
It is, 427 ford engine in the company's F600 burned valves AND seats before they found a co in california that sold a completely diff cam , then 4 years later we pulled the engine apart because when it was put in it already had 150 thousand miles, inside looked like new but for old bearing wear!
Steven Meyers did no cam shaft adjustments when using hydrogen gas... Propane and natural gas also need no cam work done....
+Guy Schneider acorns
Don't you mean Stanley Meyers?
I need to get my focus in on one serious projrct at a time. I love what you are doing though. Your Ideas are well developed.You are open source you should leave out a key that only you and some trusted people know: for good backup. You understand? There are ruthless people out here on the net that will gladly take your innovations and start up Billion dollar companies. Protect your plans, youtbe in itself is one way to proove date of concept. Mail it to yourself save POSTDATE Leave SEALED. Peace
A big bonus with using propane, your oil will still look like new after many hours, Ive torn down propane engines after 75,000 miles of use & the insides look new. Engines will last 5X longer burning 100% propane. Only about 35% of gasoline that goes down yer engines throat is burned & used, the rest goes out the exhaust pipe & into the oil.
nice work
let THOMAS PAINE BE AN EXAMPLE TO ALL OF YOU WELL INTENDED FOLKS.
DO NOT POST NOTHING SECRET UNTIL YOU HAVE COMPLETED EVERYTHING.
Fumes don't knock. It's fumes bro. I thought a lot about this.
Oh yeah, I liked the soundtrack too.
Would running gasoline vapor in a car (instead of propane) eventually cause burned valves and head problems just as propane has proved to do?
thanks for the video!!!
were already sick of this shit, the real question is when we going to RISE UP, everybody talking but nobody doing nothing
No. I never saw the other video parts. Only this one which I happened to copy. The original poster deleted his account shortly thereafter which is why I put it back up. I noticed I get a lot of subscribers due to this video. Glad others are taking notice also.
Even if you do not patent this creation you should keep a record of the dates of design to have them so you are not jilted by someone deciding to patent it as their creation, assuming yours is unique in design.... thanks for sharing. Peace.
I understand the dangers of the valve timing. The hot exhaust gas coming in contact with the intake fuel works well for fuel droplets but is asking for trouble with vapor. So with that said, has anyone tried simply changing the timing of the can shaft gears/belt? I'm no expert on engines or mathematics (for calculating timing,) but it seems to me that this may be a very much simpler work around.
The piston might crash into an open valve if the needed valve position v ignition v exhaust is acquired,though changing the cam to a better profile cam would be better,a simple flash arestor would be easier to implement,such as that used in the "DAVY LAMP" INVENTED BY SIR HUMPHRY DAVY for use in coal mines that allowed gas to permeate a gauze filter to make a candle or wick burn brighter but would not allow a flame front to ignite stopping the lamp from igniting explosive gases in the mine and warning the miners of deadly gasses that had no smell.when set up properly with ceramic coated valves the engine will run on LPG(liquid petroleum gas),just like fork lift truck do.
Please send me an update on your progress as I am adapting your design for my own experiment. Thankyou
Why couldn't you simply adjust the timing to TDC to get the timing adjustment rather than milling the CAM Shafts? I am also going to question the size of your vaporization tank and especially the outlets. Is that really enough volume to run a large V-8 engine? I can believe it would run a lawn mower. The throttle body on my V-8 is of much larger diameter than what he's showing. It's nice that you tell people how internal combustion engines work. This video was from almost 7 years ago and there's NO follow up showing a finished product and test drive. What happened? Did you put your modified CAM shafts back in the engine only to find out you could have and should have just advanced the timing? Didn't run maybe? OR was this video set up to mislead people and waste their time? I checked your page and learned that there is NO Part I, II, III, IV. How is it you jumped to Part V? So noble of you to spare us the basics or have I called this video BS correctly?
I'm kind of curious to know if that E85 gas might get better mileage out of one of these Vapor kits
The issue with ethanol is its ability to vaporize, coupled with less BTU's. Gasoline has properties that make it easier to work with like -40 F vapor temp. Its not to say you can't, but your intake temperatures will have to be higher to maintain a gaseous state.
All in all, more work for less btu's.
He says minimal changes... while modifying the cam shaft. Maybe i'm biased as a father of two little ones, but this system isn't something that can be built by anyone who works full time and does anything else outside of work.
so a couple of things have you tried this with alt fuel like e-85, it would be nice to see alcohol being used, as its by product is mainly water and co2, with very little hydrocarbons or so2. The other question is how did you heat treat cam after machining.
Any plan for cold start... any replacement for choke?
So how come cars run on propane gas ? And vapor ruin the valves up?
Timing of valves is really confusing because how it works in reality is the same way he spoke about it and I sow that on too many engines so 4 strokes starting with intake stroke valve opens up and close then compression then firing then exhaust and once you miss the timing of firing there won’t be any power in that piston so can any mechanic explain what the guy is talking about in this video!!!????
7 years later no more uploads. What happened?
can you please share the camshaft modification details? have you made any written document you wanna share ?
Very good it can be done but fuel company's don't like it .
It may very well be a simple design, but it always seems to be an exact science. Obviously the motor company's are in bed with the oil companies. So this design was immediately off the shelves...
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I can't understand why both valves would be open just before the intake stroke? Everything could be changed with a cam designed like the one you made? That alone might take care of heating problems when running a lean mixture? On-top of that... if they incorporated reed valves with a higher intake (I'd go with a carb), that too would atomize the gas and air to a huge extent, allowing to run a real lean mixture, and more fuel mileage!
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Does the gas go bad, or is it all literally vaporized?
The idea is to literally vaporize ALL the gasoline. Every bit of it. Eagle Research has the best sources of knowledge on this topic. Its a lot more complex than most people think.
I didnt lean out the fuel or change jets in carb. I believe it stops condensation on intake manifold still experimenting.
Thomas Paine, it is not right to show this and not communicate how efficient it was. If it worked 'show us', if not 'tell us'. One could inject mist/water between each stoke to greatly delay exposure to incoming gases and eliminate heat expiration by a large radiator. If done correctly will creat power from the steamed water.
Let me see if I have this right- a normal car engine burns off of gas mist...as opposed to these extra mileage designs that burn the gas vapors...the difference being that vapor is less dense,less molecules , thus you get get more mpg by using less gas overall????
If we modified camshaft so the intake valve open at at least 1 deg after TDC...We will not get the same power like when the valve open before TDC....
this old idea check out the old cars, pre 1930;s had all this type of camshaft , piston aero engines is another example
start a donations fund, You can keep it or give it to your favorite charities.
When I leaned out my 1964 MG Midget engine the exhaust valves burnt, not the intake.
Replace w stainless. Srsinless becsme common in the 70's w unleaded...
thanks
Has anybody built one of these? I know I'm late to this information but I am learning
CAM TIMING INFO BEAUTIFUL. WHERE ARE THOSE FALLS?
Part V only? Where are parts 1234? Modify CAM shaft? How about simply adjust the timing? Where is part 6 that would show the final result? 7 years is long enough, no? I wonder where you are coming from? Maybe TPTB have silenced you? Let us know at least.
413rb Dodge 8 cylinder, will this work for me?
Valves wont be burned. Theyve been stainless steel since the 70s and intro of unleaded fuel.
Thank you ! Have you considered a propane mixer / air cleaner for a 4 barrel carburetor like the IMPCO 300A ?
Is the motor woken. ..? Dom a dynor test.
TAKE A LOOK AT A SYSTEM THAT DOES WORK GEDCO395 PAT GALLOWAY
+pat galloway why don't you check out what you typed and fix it so it actually tells us something. I tried to look this up and all it did was bring me back to this video. look at your spelling pal
youtube pat galloway i guess?
What I gather from this comment is that I should forget converting my gasoline generator to propane, right? Ruin the valves and head...?? Any suggestions? Would this same problem occur if I run my car engine on vapor? I would appreciate your input on this. Thank you.
converting a car to run on gas vapors? ... shoudnt have any effect on the valve train. Propane burns at a higher heat level than gasoline vapor. Generator to propane?.... it will run just fine, if you wanna keep it for a long time, id talk to a machine shop about installing hardened valves & seats. How long standard factory valves will last is anyone's guess. Hope this helped?
This video was posted over 5 years ago, should we comb the deserts to find Thomas's body? He said he would be back with the results... Hope he's not in a lot of Paine... If this is "Part V" where are part I to IV? Did the government took them off? OYG!!!