Where is the cost to councils when they add that cost to rates? Yes there is a big upfront expense in setting up these facilities but they will in turn start making money from the sale of the products produced but how is that different from building a new road on taxes then start charging tolls? Tolling a road is a new tax but turning waste into products is environmental sound business but then again this government has no interest in protecting the environment, just destroying the last of our virgin native land & sea beds for profit. National wants to privatise every aspect of government for profit with the appearance of reducing government interference & spending so it doesn't want to foot the bill for these council developments.
Pensioner here, forced to pay $75 on my rates for something i dont need or use. Have my own veggie garden & make my own compost, have done for years. The waste is another thundering rubbish truck coming down the road & where its carted off too. Ratepayers should at least have the option to return bins & entitled to opt out. Laugh, but $75 is alot of money to me these days.
National will promote it being sold to a private owner that will increasing charge us to collect our waist & over price the goods produced, you know; Help get the economy going again (to benefit the already rich)
@@KiwiVsTheInternet Yes they are not stopping it but they are also not assisting it as councils will need government money to pay the major upfront costs which is against Nationals policy of ending government spending.
@@TheFalconerNZ and that's my point, why should we be spending any of our limited tax dollars on recycling something that has a value? If it can be used for a purpose that makes money (I.e power generation, growing etc) then the companies (even if that company is the council) should use the money they make from the end product to pay off the infrastructure required to generate the product.
Stupid idea. What do you do when vigilante types add oil, household chemicals, plastics and unwanted cologne to their unwanted food scraps? Opposite outcome and more expenses! Someone planned to get rich just from peddling tiny green bins.
No, i don't want rats and I don't have the ability to generate methane. The government does, so it makes sense the government does this and turns it into an industry. Scrapping it is bone-headed. Also, not everyone has the space to compost...
This is actually a good move as the uptake on this scheme was disappointing. What is sad is the waste of taxpayer money for all the expensive feasibility studies that would have been carried out before the scheme was launched plus the investment into the running of the scheme itself.
He’s not looking at the big picture, the amount of fuel used to collect next to no bins is doing more harm than any return. If you care, put them scraps in your own compost bin in your own garden. It should never have been implemented in the first place, huge cost, with no real benefit to rate payers, and questionable gain vs costs. There is however a huge environmental cost of driving trucks around to collect a very small number of scraps, in most the streets around me, you’ll be lucky to see 20 used in total. Large companies forget the harder you make recycling the less people will recycle.
Whilst your comment has some merit, you neglect to take into consideration the fuel cost that is already incurred in carrying food waste away in rubbish bins, not to mention the potential adverse impact on the environment from having organic waste breakdown in inorganic landfill (I.e., the production of methane gas, which is well documented in peer reviewed research articles).
@ it’s not a separate truck, it has more pickups making it more economical, so I have taken that into account. We have three rubbish trucks now one of each type of waste. There was a time we had a single truck.The methane gas is still captured in a typical landfill and burnt off to produce energy, Mighty River Power for example have two plants that do this one on North-shore and one in East Tamaki. The concept is if you separate the items the methane is generated quicker, and there is an element of truth to that. However it comes at huge costs with questionable returns, and existing tech can already utilise the methane within standard landfills. Then there are many documentaries that show the cost of recycling is so high the majority of it still ends up in standard landfills.
All my food scraps go in a compost bin, which now has a huge avocado tree growing in it. It loves all the fruit and vege and egg shells, tea bags and coffee grounds.
Nobody uses the bins (Australia). If people don't feed their scraps to their chooks, gardens and compost, they won't leave a stinking mouldy plastic container on their benchtops. I asked my neighbours to donate their food scraps because I had animals and worked in the community garden. Lots of people donated.
There is lack of uptake because the council was charging users for scraps to be collected. You were being charged for something you could get rid of for free in your garden, then the council wpuld go and make money from those scraps. Id rather not pay anything, generate 2x plastic bins, not buy those composting bags, and get free nurtients for my garden. Lots of other people share that sentiment hence the low uptake in Auckland. I agree that this works well for people in apartments, but its not worth is for the vast majority of the country so making this a requirement on councils is stilly. If councils still want to do it, they can, and if people care about reducing landfil waste , they still will. The other people, probably dont use the bins anyway.
2 points; 1- you are charged to have your rubbish collected & 2- how many properties in Auckland have sections large enough to have gardens or owners that want to do gardening?
@TheFalconerNZ 1- yes but you are charged an additional 75 dollars annually for food scraps collection. 2- I would say at least 80% of people in AKL have enough room to compost their food scraps. Whether you want to garden not related. 3- I would argue that those people who don't want to compost don't really care about reducing their waste footprint they just like feeling like their helping and too be honest, if they want to pay $75 to do that then all power to them, but don't charge the others who don't want the service.
Nothing is stopping councils from recycling food scraps. National had just removed the requirement. Councils that already collect them will likely keep collecting. No wasted plastic bins
I saw many of them have been run over by cars the past few months. Maybe it gives you some ideas of how to get rid of your one. 😂 We wanted to save the environment but ended up creating more rubbish. 😅
There is nothing wrong with having a separate bin for our food scraps and get rid of them this government is so super thick the food waste can be made into stuff that we can use
Nothing is stopping councils from recycling food scraps. National had just removed the requirement. Councils that already collect them will likely keep collecting
Leaving bins accessible to kids and pets for a week or in a closed garage if you're lucky to have ,is objectionable in all ways.think chicken bones for dogs,choking hazzards for kids.Nah pretty dangerous
Dumb plan anyway I don't know why people think Saving Scraps for 2 weeks is Cool cos it ain't, I never use my Green Scraps Bin I just throw it out to the Birds😂
So what positive actions has the environment minister actually done for the environment in the last year.
none
Where is the cost to councils when they add that cost to rates? Yes there is a big upfront expense in setting up these facilities but they will in turn start making money from the sale of the products produced but how is that different from building a new road on taxes then start charging tolls? Tolling a road is a new tax but turning waste into products is environmental sound business but then again this government has no interest in protecting the environment, just destroying the last of our virgin native land & sea beds for profit. National wants to privatise every aspect of government for profit with the appearance of reducing government interference & spending so it doesn't want to foot the bill for these council developments.
We should demand lower rates. Im suck of paying fir the cathedral rebuild. Because surely the Church had insurance on that building!!
Pensioner here, forced to pay $75 on my rates for something i dont need or use. Have my own veggie garden & make my own compost, have done for years. The waste is another thundering rubbish truck coming down the road & where its carted off too. Ratepayers should at least have the option to return bins & entitled to opt out. Laugh, but $75 is alot of money to me these days.
@@normandunckley3926 totally agree! Can you opt out
Or better yet funded by Govt.
not everyone is a boomer with a house to compost food waste, grow up and wake up dementia man
So what happens to all the investment so far?
yes, so much for saving money
Nothing is stopping councils from recycling food scraps. National had just removed the requirement
National will promote it being sold to a private owner that will increasing charge us to collect our waist & over price the goods produced, you know; Help get the economy going again (to benefit the already rich)
@@KiwiVsTheInternet Yes they are not stopping it but they are also not assisting it as councils will need government money to pay the major upfront costs which is against Nationals policy of ending government spending.
@@TheFalconerNZ and that's my point, why should we be spending any of our limited tax dollars on recycling something that has a value? If it can be used for a purpose that makes money (I.e power generation, growing etc) then the companies (even if that company is the council) should use the money they make from the end product to pay off the infrastructure required to generate the product.
If this process is economical …… how come it needs subsidising?
Stupid idea. What do you do when vigilante types add oil, household chemicals, plastics and unwanted cologne to their unwanted food scraps? Opposite outcome and more expenses! Someone planned to get rich just from peddling tiny green bins.
Just make compost yourself. Why people rely on government is crazy.
okay liberatarian.
No, i don't want rats and I don't have the ability to generate methane. The government does, so it makes sense the government does this and turns it into an industry. Scrapping it is bone-headed.
Also, not everyone has the space to compost...
So true
This is actually a good move as the uptake on this scheme was disappointing. What is sad is the waste of taxpayer money for all the expensive feasibility studies that would have been carried out before the scheme was launched plus the investment into the running of the scheme itself.
He’s not looking at the big picture, the amount of fuel used to collect next to no bins is doing more harm than any return. If you care, put them scraps in your own compost bin in your own garden.
It should never have been implemented in the first place, huge cost, with no real benefit to rate payers, and questionable gain vs costs. There is however a huge environmental cost of driving trucks around to collect a very small number of scraps, in most the streets around me, you’ll be lucky to see 20 used in total. Large companies forget the harder you make recycling the less people will recycle.
Whilst your comment has some merit, you neglect to take into consideration the fuel cost that is already incurred in carrying food waste away in rubbish bins, not to mention the potential adverse impact on the environment from having organic waste breakdown in inorganic landfill (I.e., the production of methane gas, which is well documented in peer reviewed research articles).
@ it’s not a separate truck, it has more pickups making it more economical, so I have taken that into account. We have three rubbish trucks now one of each type of waste. There was a time we had a single truck.The methane gas is still captured in a typical landfill and burnt off to produce energy, Mighty River Power for example have two plants that do this one on North-shore and one in East Tamaki. The concept is if you separate the items the methane is generated quicker, and there is an element of truth to that. However it comes at huge costs with questionable returns, and existing tech can already utilise the methane within standard landfills. Then there are many documentaries that show the cost of recycling is so high the majority of it still ends up in standard landfills.
Council are soo dumb
Add more rates to pay
Is that stupid
All my food scraps go in a compost bin, which now has a huge avocado tree growing in it. It loves all the fruit and vege and egg shells, tea bags and coffee grounds.
Nobody uses the bins (Australia). If people don't feed their scraps to their chooks, gardens and compost, they won't leave a stinking mouldy plastic container on their benchtops. I asked my neighbours to donate their food scraps because I had animals and worked in the community garden. Lots of people donated.
Sure, we all got chooks in our inner city apartments, whats with the virtue signalling??
You don't leave it on the bench unless you're an idiot...
This is so true and but doesn't fit with the narrative
I can't be bothered. So the damn thing has been sitting on the porch since I moved in here.
People need to stop looking to the government to stuff for them that they can do themselves. If you care about, then just do it!
Was forced on public by Labour Gov & cost added to rates
No it’s not silly. People can’t afford to pay more on their rates.
There is lack of uptake because the council was charging users for scraps to be collected. You were being charged for something you could get rid of for free in your garden, then the council wpuld go and make money from those scraps.
Id rather not pay anything, generate 2x plastic bins, not buy those composting bags, and get free nurtients for my garden. Lots of other people share that sentiment hence the low uptake in Auckland. I agree that this works well for people in apartments, but its not worth is for the vast majority of the country so making this a requirement on councils is stilly. If councils still want to do it, they can, and if people care about reducing landfil waste , they still will. The other people, probably dont use the bins anyway.
2 points; 1- you are charged to have your rubbish collected & 2- how many properties in Auckland have sections large enough to have gardens or owners that want to do gardening?
@TheFalconerNZ 1- yes but you are charged an additional 75 dollars annually for food scraps collection.
2- I would say at least 80% of people in AKL have enough room to compost their food scraps. Whether you want to garden not related.
3- I would argue that those people who don't want to compost don't really care about reducing their waste footprint they just like feeling like their helping and too be honest, if they want to pay $75 to do that then all power to them, but don't charge the others who don't want the service.
So I have to pay to give them my scraps? Then I have to pay for the gas they produce? You are joking
They've cut rubbish collecting to fortnightly so we're expected to keep those little bins for 2 weeks now? Not in this household.
And every river i see is brown from all the farms run off what the hell do we pay environment southland for?!!
stop with the virtue signalling. Lets get productive and moving. Stop asking the greens what to do they were voted out by a landslide.
Get an insinkerator. No muss, no fuss, no cost.
I think this is a good call. I think it's costing us more having it.
Now we have to get rid of all the plastic bins
Nothing is stopping councils from recycling food scraps. National had just removed the requirement. Councils that already collect them will likely keep collecting. No wasted plastic bins
I saw many of them have been run over by cars the past few months. Maybe it gives you some ideas of how to get rid of your one. 😂
We wanted to save the environment but ended up creating more rubbish. 😅
There is nothing wrong with having a separate bin for our food scraps and get rid of them this government is so super thick the food waste can be made into stuff that we can use
Nothing is stopping councils from recycling food scraps. National had just removed the requirement. Councils that already collect them will likely keep collecting
Forced to pay this on my rates - no thanks, i'll use my food waste the way i want to use it
Its a bad idea nobody was using it anyways. And the bins were terrible i will not use it. I would use more colourful language but YT censors it
I think this is good
Leaving bins accessible to kids and pets for a week or in a closed garage if you're lucky to have ,is objectionable in all ways.think chicken bones for dogs,choking hazzards for kids.Nah pretty dangerous
$75 for a bin on my boat.
More "Wasted" Money, Time and Resources from Council ... Arghhhh !!!
Garden waste or food scraps?
Decriminalise cannabis
And it would do more for the economy 😂
Wow already getting rid of it? 😂😂
Absolutely ridiculous dirty unsanitary health Hazzard
Petty projects. If they don’t force it on your rates that’s fine
Well it's good for the environment and would create jobs?
Dumb plan anyway I don't know why people think Saving Scraps for 2 weeks is Cool cos it ain't, I never use my Green Scraps Bin I just throw it out to the Birds😂