The Thin Red Line - Nature and Grace | Renegade Cut
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- An analysis of existential themes in the Terrence Malick war epic The Thin Red Line. Want to request an episode or support the show? Patreon: / renegadecut
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Twenty years and still waiting on that 5 hour cut
God I know. I fear we will never get to see it
I’m still waiting… also on the 6 hour version of Once Upon A Time In America…
This movie was SNOOZE fest when I watched it as a young kid. As an adult, it was life changing
I was too immature to understand the meaning of it when I first saw it. Now it's in my top 10 favourite films.
I literally said the exact same thing, took me going to the military myself to really understand this film
@@Tabaskospecial how did your views on it change?
You’ve got good taste these days
I was too young when I first watched it too. Now, older, I understand the themes and appreciate the amazing cinematography but it is still a bit slow
I've read elsewhere that the Japanese soldier is desperately pleading with Witt to surrender saying something to the effect of "You killed my friend, but I don't want to kill you, do you understand?". A sad irony.
Stefan Valkola from a Quora answer, taken from the script:
“降伏しろ Give it up (shout)”
“お前か、俺の戦友を殺したのは？ Is is you who killed my man?”
“俺はお前を殺したくない、分かるか？ I wouldn’t like to kill you, you got it?”
“俺はお前を殺したくない、だから降伏しろ I don’t want to kill you, so you should give it up now.”
“わかるか？ もうすでに囲まれてるんだ、だから素直に降伏しろ Do you get it? You are already surrounded, so be brave and meekly surrender.”
“お前か、俺の戦友を殺したのは、おれは・・・ Oh that was you who killed my man, I …”
“動くな Don’t move (other soldier interrupting)”
“止まれ！ 降伏しろ Stop! Surrender!”
Japanese soldier moves forward; Prv. Witt picks up his rifle and gets shot.
@@darkstar0725 Combat troops who have been through weeks of fighting and rear echelon camp guards aren't the same people.
It's not hard to imagine there were IJN troops who didn't want to kill needlessly.
Louis Silvie Zamperini's life coalesces with the above stated Japanese dialogue, as well as another direction Witt's life could have taken in the film (& if based on Zamperini, closer to a true account). Imagine the lives lost the Japanese could blame on Zamperini, a bombardier.
@@darkstar0725 yo, the americans did some barbarbic things too.
@@darkstar0725 As I said in another comment, it is true that the japanese did crazy things, but in such complex context it's very naive to see only black and white. There are thousands of shades of gray. I feel like the fact that the Japanese soldier doesn't want to kill Witt is an init to the fact that they are very a-like ( we don't see him shoting so it's likely he didn't kill him). There's a strong point here being made in this movie, where you also see the US soldiers committing vile acts of violence on POW.
"War don't ennoble men, it turns 'em into dogs. It poisons the soul"
On an historical note, US and UK carpet bombed and leveled entire cities, days and night for 3 years streight. I'm glad the Allieds won and I can only bow to each one of the men who served to save Europe.
But please let's not portrait the allieds as "saints," They did substantial ammount of damage in the process of liberation as well.
This is one of the most stunningly beautiful, incredibly poetic, heartbreaking films ever made. Not to mention the breathtaking soundtrack. I watch it over and over and weep every time.
right on babe. this is one of those movies i hesitate to re=watch sometimes because it's so moving and i hate crying. still, one of my favorite movies of all time
I watched this movie as a kid, I was maybe 8-10 years old, didn't understand why it was so slow. But now that I learned English, I watched it many times and each time I find something new. This feels like art.
I was around the same age when I watched this. I was drawn to the music and cinematography but had no idea the meaning of the film until my mid 20s
@@maxazzopardi7446 same here
For some reason, I missed this one. I just recently watched it for the first time. When the ending credits rolled, I thought, "I need to see this again."
Oh my god yes! The Thin Red Line is one of my favorite movies of all time. So overlooked. Thanks.
To call the Thin Red Line cliche only makes sense if you look at it from a very shallow viewpoint. That's not me being elitist, it's just the way the story is constructed.
I watched this movie during the time I was in the army, compulsory service. I didn't chose it, I just went to the cinema and thought I might go watch it.
I remember I left the cinema feeling I was another person. Actually I already was, feeling too close to the brutality of war and life. I knew I didn't belong here unless I was going to never surrender to learn from life, learn from even the worst angles of it, and live to tell others, share what I saw and what I learned. Asking myself more questions than I can answer while sensing those who before me left, a void in my family.
As a Military veteran and someone who contemplates the deeper questions and studies the people throughout time who have asked those deep questions, I have to say, Thin Red Line is one of my, if not my favorite war movie of all time... Music, narration, cinematography, combat scenes, depiction of soldier interaction... Simply a masterpiece... People for whom this movie had no resonance, they are not usually deep types... This is a deep movie plain and simple for individuals who contemplate war in multiple dimensions.
The best movie ever made Jim Caviezel is absolutely amazing in this film his eyes say everything. Sean Penn is excellent too
I've spend my entire life saying...you got this movie,life is beautiful and saving private ryan and shakespeare in love wins best picture?!
"Human beings have enough intelligence that they both benefit from and are cursed with the ability to choose and to contemplate their own existence"
A fantastic line that can segue into so much more. Thank you.
The ability to choose is compromised by a fallen nature: original sin. Ye must be born again.
Our beautiful Island Guadalcanal👏🏼
The Thin Red Line was filmed predominantly in the Daintree Rainforest and on Bramston Beach, both in north Queensland, Australia. Actually there was no shooting on Guadalcanal island itself.
@@longhornfatbike It's the thought that counts.
The melanesian village scene is actually shot on west Guadalcanal at Tamboko and Aruligo.
Only Terrence Malick can make those interior monologues work. I’ve never seen another director come close.
Watch this movie when age 20: Wtf, war movies without a good war.. nothing compares to SPR!!!
10 years later, rewatch: This movie was so deep... damn.
Same here.
I found this deep when I was 18 when it came out but at 39 rewatching this movie made me think in ways I always try to avoid, it's incredible the effect it has on you
Same here. As a teen, I remember being disappointed. It doesn't really have a traditional narrative and isn't action packed. As an adult, as a father - I see what this movie is really about. It's about life. It's about the sadness and beauty of humanity. I find everything about it incredibly powerful
@@dealspeed6756 me too. I always liked it.
It was one of the rare original DVDs I had back then, it was an exception as almost all my dvds were pirate ones, I bought when I was maybe 16.
yeah and even the war scenes are amazing. maybe not quite on the level of Saving Private Ryan in sheer spectacle and intensity, but they are very well done. Especially the assault on the hilltop bunker.
You’ve summed up some of the character dynamics really aptly and succinctly, as well as explain some of the rationale and directions the film and filmmaker took to explore certain spiritual and metaphysical ideals. Subscribed!
I did not care for this movie as a teen and enjoyed movies like Saving Private Ryan more. But now that I get Malick's style, I adore this movie. I am planning to watch his film 'The New World' soon.
Make sure you watch the extended cut to get the full experience.
Eh, skip the New World tbh.
Tree of Life
Do not skip the new world or any of Malick’s films. They are all masterpieces and way ahead of their time
read the book
Oh my soul be in me now,
look out through my eyes,
look out at the things you made
all things shining
What a movie...
what a story...
yoo this movie was dope af!! i was high af on amazon video lookin for somethin to watch and stumbled upon this masterpiece.
The opening to this essay was especially well edited. Beautifully done Leon.
Beautiful analysis Leon! I am proud to have sponsored this film on your Patreon. I've seen it many, many times but your analysis opened it up even further for me.
The calm style of your video essay (tone of voice, pacing) fits the low key narration of The Thin Red Line. The movie's camera views nature as it represents what the characters see & remember/imagine. There is a resignation of the reality of existence by the film's narration & I sense an acceptance of the existential view by the commentary of the essay itself. (Maybe I'm wrong but that's my impression.) Well done BTW.
Empire of the Sun and Constantine are a couple of others with lots of symbolic meanings and hidden gems.
I love Terrence Malick and his films.
One of very few life changing films.
Thank you for such a wonderful dissection of the film's themes and central ideas. I enjoyed and appreciated every minute of this.
A Beautiful meditation on the nature and meaning of life and death.Thanks for all your insights on this movie and others.
I watched the film in awe, you're essay helped give it meaning.Thank You.
I think there was further meaning in Witts death. Not just to Witt, but to the War in general. I always felt that it was inevitable that Witt is killed as War kills that in men which is beautiful and transcendent. In order to survive mentally day to day in prolonged conflict one cannot be burdened with deep existential dilemma. Ones life becomes over simplified, in a complicated and chaotic universe. “Kill, or be Killed”.
There is no more basic and natural phenomena. Is that just Nature? is War an inevitable and unavoidable consequence of us being part of the Natural world? Some sort of common genetic yearning for our species to reconnect with the Natural world?
Witt was a reflection of the divinity in man, the transcendent. Something that sets Humans apart from other species, from Nature. And only Nature can bring Man down off his pedestal.
"We are not youth any longer. We don’t want to take the world by storm. We are fleeing. We fly from ourselves. From our life. We were eighteen and had begun to love life and the world; and we had to shoot it to pieces"
-all quiet on the western front
I did an essay similar to this a couple of years ago. Malick is such a great auteur to study. Your effort surpassed mine, though :D
A brilliantly realized film, directed sensitively by a gifted director. Your take on it well stated. Makes one want to watch again
Your reviews are amazing, few critics go where you go, I like your style
Thank you for this great and deep review.
Greatest film ever and the only TH-cam video ever having been worth watched.
More vids on The Thin Red Line please.
Excellent, as always.
Beautiful and profound review, thanks.
As a Vietnam Navy combat vet this movie is a reminder! Since WWII all of our generations have been born into War. My only son served in Afghanistan again and again! Why?
Hauntingly beautiful film!!!
I swear that Jim caviezel always plays a Christain role in every movie lol. Good for him, God bless that actor:)
So I’ve read that in his personal life he is a devote Catholic, so make sense I guess he gravitates to those roles maybe.
Why I love this movie so much it touches on the battles I've had my entire life!
Just thinking about that beautiful film is bringing a tear to my eye.
Thank you on your profound insights on such a beautiful film. I will look into Martin Heidegger. His quote on facing death and accepting it, really challenges my mind but i feel enriched by it. I loved the character of Private Witt. I have noticed that Terrence Mallik films have a dream like quality to them. I have seen some of the deleted scenes from this film and they seem so good also.
Great as always.
Great stuff thank you
Amazing!! Thakyou so so much for this!!
The 'one big soul confronting itself' stuff is straight out of Buddhism. Witt has in fact seen another world, and if we could listen to him we'd do better. Also, if you blink you miss it, but Witt and Welsh are brothers, or at least friends from childhood who might as well be brothers.
And what is it with Malick and bird cages? :-)
Buddhism doesn't believe in souls, since that would violate the doctrine of anatman. Nor is it technically a monist philosophy, since that would also be a violation of anatman.
I never understood why Gibson chose
Caviezel to play Christ until I saw this movie. He is other worldly 😮
The monologue asking where evil comes from is not Witt's monologue, but Ptv. Train. He has a few lines throughout the movie and they are often mistaken as Witt's (as they are here) Pvt. Train is on screen and speaking at the end of the film.
Hii awesome page ☺ Keep it up!
All things shining...
Excellent
The brilliance of Terrence Malick.❤️
i see the pianist enlisted and went to fight the war in the Pacific.
All that atruggle and loss over the guadalcanal when the greatest threat to the Imperial Japan troops that dug in but completely cut off from supplies, was malaria and the jungle itself.
The finest war film ever made.
A beautiful film, not for dumb people.
Awesome movie
I swear i've watched this vid a dozen times. I've watched the movie a dozen more. I dont k ow why i keep coming back here. I really dont. I really, really dont. Peace folks ✌ i'll figure itout
the best war movie I ever seen
war is just the environment
this is about people and what they had to give up
and tons of psychology
Could you do “I, Origins” Renegade Cut?
This mouvie changed me
Transcendence
Detachment
Is that a film crew at 7:38?!
Indeed it is, and thank's to you for pointing out. I've seen the film over 60 times and I just noticed this goof because of your comment, lol!!!
thanks now ill never be able to unsee it^^
Whata... they could have cutted the screen
I agree. Amazing movie. Did I say amazing? What a common way to describe such a movie, a movie that encompasses the beauty and savagery of nature and the beauty and savagery of Man, the most Noble of creatures and at the same time the most savage of beasts.
lemme just subscribe real quick
Great film not many i love ..i give alternative title to this one:The Good The Scared and The Dead.
The book is also good
Staros is Prometheus refusing to bow to Zeus
Ever seen the sun chaser ?
Why is the Colonel dealing in directly with a Captain?...Where is the Major?
A company commander,CPT, will take orders from the Battalion commander a LTC.
8:58 --- Heidegger was a XX century Philosopher. Great video, though...
😭
His men.
would u run into death fore nothing
but your brothers
God? Prove it 😉. That was never the intention, was it?
It's difficult to interpret TTRL through a non-Christian lens. Malick is a Christian. The characters pray and quote Bible passages. The Melanesian choir is singing songs about Jesus. Witt is a Christ-like figure. Penn says "if you die it'll be for nothing." Witt volunteers for the mission, and rather than "dying for nothing" he saves them all.
God tuff boys otheres will not see
this movie is the weed dream of the director and not the movie everyone wanted skip
Paths of Glory to the face of Jesus Christ - true God and True man.
Not a good film. Too long, too boring, and too messy in execution. Had good potential but fumbled it. Maybe if this movie could be re-edited to have a plot it could be a fantastic movie.
It isn't supposed to be a story of action entertainment, dont you get it!?
It doesn't have to be a plot like you want with the beginning, development then all the remaining guys at the end VICTORS! (or survivers) after completing their objective like ALL OTHER SINGLE MOVIE out there, NO.
Its a philosophical critique of war and the humanity.
And dude, you thinking the film as slow I get it, but for that I think you dont appreciate nature's image so much because the photography in this movie is enough to distract one from the "slow" parts, theres always something interesting to look at in this movie.
But its ok, not everybody has the same preferences nor the patience to watch a long movie like this. (I didn't find it boring at all)
My parents who usually liked war movies (mom likes more than dad liked lol), probably wouldn't like this one too (not sure), they didnt like movies who are longer than 100 minutes.
What a wimp sorry bitter men..