Intelligencer Simeon Foxe’s Dagger-Trap Pleated Letter sent from Venice, Italy (1601) (UH0072)

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  • Modelled after Simeon Foxe’s letter to Sir Robert Cecil but addressed to Thomas Wilson (29 August 1601), the National Archives (TNA), Kew Gardens, England, SP 101/81 fols. 344/345.
    Model found in the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Libraries (MIT), Unlocking History Research Group archive, MC 0760.
    This letter is one of the most secure, complicated, and time-consuming letterlocking variations we have reverse-engineered and modelled. It has a hidden attached paper lock that "trips" upon opening. On the outside, the letter passes as an unassuming pleated letter, an intimate format. Inside, there are several anti-tamper devices that "self-destruct" as the letter opens. To open the letter, the attached "dagger"-shaped paper lock tears apart at its polar ends-the base of the attached lock at the point where its locked with sealing wax and at the opposite end where the narrow tip of the paper lock is secured shut with silk floss and a second wax seal.
    Samuli Kaislaniemi tells us, "The letters survive in the TNA SP 101/81 which are designated "newsletters" from Venice - but the volumes contain diverse material, from 'proper' newsletters to (more or less) personal correspondence, notes, drafts, reports, and intelligence/spy letters. Simeon Foxe's letters fall in this last category. One could call them intelligence letters (rather than spy letters), since Foxe was not in Italy primarily to spy, and the letters contain general news (compiled from various sources) rather than inside reports of court intrigue, or the like. Foxe was recruited by Sir Robert Cecil in summer 1601 and sent to Italy - or possibly he was going to Italy anyway, and was hired to write intelligence reports from thence. He spent time in Venice and Padua, coming back to England in 1605. Although the letters are addressed to Thomas Wilson, this was in fact a ruse - that is to say, Wilson's name was used as misdirection. Foxe's letters are endorsed by Levinus Munck, who was the secretary of Sir Robert Cecil, and the endorsements make it clear that the letters were intended for Cecil. This evidence is supported by the fact that Wilson was in Italy when many of the letters were written (1601-2) (he also definitely met up with Foxe in Italy)."
    The dagger-trap historical manuscripts at the TNA differ from standard flossed pleated letters in that they have sealing wax applied over the floss on only one of the letterpacket outer panels. Typical pleated letters tend to have two wax seals applied over the floss, one on each outer panel of the letterpacket. Perhaps the "Portrait of Constantijn Huygens and his (?) Clerk" (1627, Thomas de Keyser, The National Gallery, UK) shows Huygens receiving from his clerk a dagger-trap locked letter instead of an undressed pleated letter since the letter pictured lacks a seal over the floss.
    Produced by MIT Video Production. Directed and demonstrated by Jana Dambrogio. Funded by the Gladys Krieble Delmas Foundation and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Libraries in support of our project, “Unlocking History.” Special thanks to Samuli Kaislaniemi for bringing the letter to our attention and for providing the background information about Foxe and Wilson’s correspondence, Ayako Letizia, Annie Dunn, Emily Hishta Cohen, MIT Video Production staff, Mary Uthuppuru, Brien Beidler, and Daniel Starza Smith.
    Citation information: Authors: Jana Dambrogio and the Unlocking History Research Group. Title: "Intelligencer Simeon Foxe’s Dagger-Trap Pleated Letter Sent from Venice ( 1601)," Letterlocking Instructional Videos. Unlocking History number 0072/Letterlocking Unique Video number: 072. Date filmed: October 2016. Duration: 12:11. Date posted: October 2016. Video URL: [Insert URL]. Date accessed: [Date].
    Copyright 2016-present. Jana Dambrogio, the Unlocking History Research Group, and theMassachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). All rights reserved. The following copyrighted material is made available under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0) License creativecommons.org/licenses/.... Contact the MIT Technology Licensing Office for any other licensing inquiries.
    NB: Letterlock responsibly. Be mindful of open flames or hot tools.
    To find out more about letterlocking, visit letterlocking.org and follow us on social media @letterlocking and our collaborator for this video, @samklai.
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  • @HERiTAGE-ew7pf
    @HERiTAGE-ew7pf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    "Quick, send an urgent letter to Sir Barristane!"
    3 weeks later...

  • @Sohrleas
    @Sohrleas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    my poor, poor D&D players thought I was a terror when I had just wax and a sealing stamp.
    Boy howdy are they in for a treat

  • @thecocktailian2091
    @thecocktailian2091 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Love this sort of stuff. I have to say this one really went the extra step I could NEVER be bothered with. What a process. Spend five minutes writing your message and spend the next half day sealing it.

  • @crycket
    @crycket 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    classroom letter passing just got epic!!!

  • @vdp5837
    @vdp5837 5 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    This relaxes me and gives me anxiety at the same time

    • @dontimberman5493
      @dontimberman5493 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      VD P it’s the lack of dexterity. I love watching how she does it and the end product but it’s hard to watch someone fumble with anything and not be able to help. Or give advice to someone less practiced using there hands.

    • @eugeniobonello418
      @eugeniobonello418 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Absolutely

    • @bluewren65
      @bluewren65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I"m ok as long as I turn off the sound. That almost dolby quality crisp letter folding sound makes my teeth quiver.

    • @gray_mara
      @gray_mara 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dontimberman5493 I agree. I followed along and it wasn't nearly as hard as it looked.

    • @Matty002
      @Matty002 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      aka the worst kind of asmr lol

  • @naoidfpaiourej3299
    @naoidfpaiourej3299 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Spend 10 minutes carefully opening... "You may be eligible to enter our prize draw...."

    • @seanhall8686
      @seanhall8686 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      "We've been trying to reach you about your vehicle's extended warranty."

    • @thecalicoheart7946
      @thecalicoheart7946 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂

  • @fallinginthed33p
    @fallinginthed33p 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    This is more like a hash to detect message tampering. The text inside would still need to be encrypted using a cipher to prevent unauthorized eyes from reading and understanding it.

  • @VaelkyrieGaming
    @VaelkyrieGaming 5 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    512-bit encrypted snail mail 🧐

  • @Sweenece
    @Sweenece 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I've no idea how I got here.... But.. I am loving this x 100000

  • @roverlux
    @roverlux 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Truly wonderful. I have just read "Shadow of the Tower" by Peter Tonkin, he describes this procedure in the book and it is amazing to be able to see his words made plain. Highly recommend Tonkin and his books.

  • @turinggirl10
    @turinggirl10 5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Really fascinating early tamper evident mechanism. Thank you for demonstrating!

  • @bluewren65
    @bluewren65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I love the triple security of this one and the lovely thread detail.

  • @gimme80s
    @gimme80s 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    i'd probably rip the letter to shreds trying to open it.

  • @darkfireeyes7
    @darkfireeyes7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The sounds in this video are like ASMR.

    • @bluewren65
      @bluewren65 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I hate the sounds. Like finger nails on a blackboard. I have to turn the sound off.

    • @veryberry39
      @veryberry39 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree, I keep watching these videos now just because I love all the crinkly paper sounds!

  • @melodyseverything6999
    @melodyseverything6999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The note fold fairly screams "I'm holding very important information that only the recipient can see, but I want everyone else to be totally intrigued by it!"

    • @cathryncampbell8555
      @cathryncampbell8555 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My thought precisely! The elaborate thread & seal ties would suggest to any postmaster en route to England from Italy that this must be Important Stuff. Either an illicit love letter or a spy's document....

  • @GEGE-bx3fj
    @GEGE-bx3fj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How cool is that. Luv it. Thnx 4 sharing
    Be well

  • @gerardjagroo
    @gerardjagroo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh my God! These people must be so paranoid yet so ingenious at the same time

  • @rowkayzg
    @rowkayzg ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I find these videos weirdly calming. The idea of secrecy being controlled in this ingenious way is just fascinating, and I wish I had something so say that was so sub-rosa, or so passionate, to send to someone this way. But alas, I do not, and if I did I could probably just dash off an e-mail.

  • @user-fc6je9kf3b
    @user-fc6je9kf3b 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I sent 19 secured emails watching this

  • @thebobbyflores
    @thebobbyflores 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    So cool to see what was done in the past to secure privacy! Thanks for the video!

  • @PriscillaAustin
    @PriscillaAustin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I want a pen pal so i can send letters like these... a

    • @LightbringerDesigns
      @LightbringerDesigns 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I see no way to send a PM, but I volunteer! PM me on Etsy to exchange addresses, I make wax seals with 3D printing. www.etsy.com/shop/LightbringerDesigns

  • @hensonm
    @hensonm ปีที่แล้ว

    This was such a JOY to watch. I was gasping at each twist and turn of this one.
    I feel like it is SUCH a miss that period filmmakers aren’t familiar with these intricate techniques. It’s always just a simple fold and a wax seal. So boring! The elaborate artwork of these is incredible. I feel transported!
    I read that letter locking goes back to the 1300s. How amazing would it have been to have seen some use of these technologies and skills on a show like Game of Thrones!? Just pure joy. I am almost heartbroken when you open it at the end. Thank you!

  • @jonathanraven5939
    @jonathanraven5939 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Quite remarkable, and beautiful.

  • @alexandraesmond7518
    @alexandraesmond7518 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Fantastic! They were so clever. Thank you for sharing!

  • @prva9347
    @prva9347 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Interesting, enjoyable and somehow relaxing to watch. Many years ago I learned at a solicitor's firm how to sew together documents for Court with coloured ribbon, had to be done a particular way - a tradition or convention that arose from the need in times past (and present!) to ensure documents couldn't be tampered with. That's why, for instance, you're not supposed to use staples on an engrossed and signed Will because someone could then argue that a codicil existed. A separate topic is that people used to write private letters in code.

    • @rowkayzg
      @rowkayzg ปีที่แล้ว

      This is really interesting. I have a spool of that pink cotton 'ribbon' that I've seen used to tie legal papers in British TV shows. But I didn't know there's a certain way to tie it. Can you explain it?

    • @prva9347
      @prva9347 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rowkayzg Has to be tied/sewn so that it cannot be undone or cut without it being clear that's happened. Different firms had their own preferences (as in a senior would teach a junior etc) but very similar as there are only so many ways you can do it. Basically sew up, through, up, through etc then same downwards, and nice to leave some "tails" dangling which my firm joined together with those self-adhesive red stickers (sticker back to back against another sticker with the ribbon inbetween) used to represent seals in engrossed deeds for signing (as opposed to the large seals that you then impress with a company seal). It's many years since I did it and I wasn't/am not an expert in either knowledge or doing it. Easiest if you google the subject, there might even be a video to show you. Different colours were for different things like docs for court or probate - pink, green, black. I believe white was a colour but I never worked on anything that required white nor, though I did some work for the probate department, black.

    • @rowkayzg
      @rowkayzg ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@prva9347 FASCINATING! Thank you for replying. I'll take a look around for videos. P.S.: I have a real 'thing' for legal stickers/seals of every sort!

  • @oakhousejournals
    @oakhousejournals 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just happened on your video and was fascinated. This is right up my street. I was mesmerised seeing you seal the letter but almost mortified that you opened it after all that painstaking work to seal it. But then it was intro see how it would be opened correctly when received. TFS, I’ll certainly be watching more. C xx

  • @orangequant
    @orangequant 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you! Satisfying.

  • @ltvanburen
    @ltvanburen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love this! Fascinating!

  • @Mabelita
    @Mabelita 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hooooo loved it definitely one of my favorites

  • @ImCarolB
    @ImCarolB 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fascinating!

  • @thePronto
    @thePronto 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I see they are using the 256 bit seal. That will take 100,000 years to open...

  • @TheLunaLockhart
    @TheLunaLockhart 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I can almost hear you saying "just stay OPEN!!!"

  • @karenh-e6342
    @karenh-e6342 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think I know how pop-up greeting cards started now.

  • @msoh5172
    @msoh5172 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The graphic artist, quilter, librarian, English teacher and researcher in me are all screaming with delight & awe at the discovery of these obscure and arcane methods for letterlocking! I cannot adequately explain how this discovery of the art and science of letterlocking feels like the apex of my inclinations, interests, creativity and artistic skills. Thank you for sharing these unique, mysterious and utterly enchanting letterlocking practices. 👍👍👍🫶

  • @gletamendi5439
    @gletamendi5439 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It took longer to fold this letter than to write it!

  • @Ragnarocker999
    @Ragnarocker999 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Propnomicon sent me down this rabbit hole of secret paper folding. Who knew?

  • @lynneprobyn6228
    @lynneprobyn6228 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing

  • @loves2spin2
    @loves2spin2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is amazing!

  • @verasscott
    @verasscott 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you.

  • @mariandirda
    @mariandirda 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Love it! Thanks for a window into an ancient time. Good sound effects too.

  • @rosbergs3
    @rosbergs3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The sound of the paper is satisfying on so many levels. Lol

    • @rowkayzg
      @rowkayzg ปีที่แล้ว

      That's SO TRUE!!!! Even in movies, there's something about the way paper sounds when it's folded and unfolded that is particularly lovely to me. I LOVE that sound. And ironically, it never sounds that way when one opens an actual piece of paper. There's a crispy, crunchy wonderfulness to it that you never quite get in real life.

    • @rosbergs3
      @rosbergs3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rowkayzg Paper sounds ate actually a thing TH-cam "amsr paper" or just " amsr". you'll find tons of satisfying sounds

    • @rowkayzg
      @rowkayzg ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rosbergs3 Oh my god! THANK YOU!!!!

    • @veryberry39
      @veryberry39 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rowkayzg I don't know about that, I've often put myself into a daze just folding and manipulating notebook paper that I've written on. XD Being written on seems to be the key, unless we're talking tissue paper. But flipping through a notebook of filled pages? Ugh, it's so good, lol. I wish everyone could hear it the same way! (I'm thinking about the people who hate asmr...which is totally fine, I just wish they could hear it like we do. :P)

    • @rowkayzg
      @rowkayzg ปีที่แล้ว

      @@veryberry39 Hi. I never even knew what asmr was until someone mentioned it in a reply. I truly wonder which part of the brain is responsible for the reaction some of these sounds cause. Some nights, I actually listen to paper being folded before I go to sleep. It just elicits some sort of tension release. Fascinating stuff!

  • @DavidVallieres
    @DavidVallieres 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It saddened me to see her open it. It was beautiful locked.

  • @UnderASwiftSunrise
    @UnderASwiftSunrise 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was hoping for an actual dagger in there.

  • @kukumaku6498
    @kukumaku6498 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm here after I've read news that Mary queen of Scott used the spiral locking technique before execution. If I had so many tools before execution, I would cut my veins for it to be over. So creepy.

    • @carag2567
      @carag2567 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's how I learned what letter locking is! I had no idea such a skill existed and I'm a MASSIVE history buff, especially 16th century history. This is just fascinating!
      One of the articles I saw about MQOS mentioned that all her personal belongings had been confiscated, including her writing utensils, so she most likely composed the letter to her brother-in-law using tools borrowed from her ladies maids so she probably didn't have all that fancy stuff from the video available to her. And if her letter included a plea for martyrdom, there's no WAY she would have even considered taking her own life. It would have defeated the purpose.
      But this is so much fun discovering something from the past that I never knew before! I hope you're enjoying learning about letter locking as much as I am! 😊

    • @tweaker1bms
      @tweaker1bms 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The execution would probably be quicker for royalty.

    • @carag2567
      @carag2567 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tweaker1bms Royalty was always executed by way of beheading because it was the quickest and (from what we can tell) pain-free. However, the execution of Mary Queen of Scots was famously botched. It took three strokes of the axe to kill her. The first one missed her neck and hit the back of her head and the second one didn't go all the way through her neck. Sadly, it wasn't until the third stroke of the axe that the job was finally completed.

  • @Bartyron
    @Bartyron ปีที่แล้ว

    10:40 I was like: "NOOOOO!" So much effort.

  • @MateusSFigueiredo
    @MateusSFigueiredo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That's pretty cool

  • @alessandrolai6526
    @alessandrolai6526 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow in 1601 they liked very complicated letter locking that is why I prefer Victorian style letter locking way more simple and elegant too

  • @VEVOJavier
    @VEVOJavier 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i hope i wasnt the only one who thought the letter when opened would spring an actual dagger to the person opening the letter.

  • @milwaukeegregg
    @milwaukeegregg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The guy that invented gum was licking his chops after seeing this, all the way to the bank.........

  • @Peraou
    @Peraou 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    What I'm really curious about is, what would have happened if the letter was opened improperly and they had 'sprung' the actual dagger trap??

    • @wasweiich9991
      @wasweiich9991 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Make one and try it out? xp

    • @TheAkashicTraveller
      @TheAkashicTraveller 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Seems unlickly that someone attempting to intecept the letter would do so. Even if they did all it would do is tear the paper some and they'ed still be able to read it. This is so that the recipient can know whether the letter has been read by someone else. Presuming said someone else can't mimic handwriting beyond the ability of the recipient to detect that is.

    • @wasweiich9991
      @wasweiich9991 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@TheAkashicTraveller Not only that. Mimicking the handwriting AND the seal .. AND maybe certain clues hidden within the text give away more information.

    • @lancedraven
      @lancedraven 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It would usually sprung a powerful written jutsu against spies

  • @noelbraseth2210
    @noelbraseth2210 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I think this is the best one yet! I wonder what the dimensions are of the paper, and how flexible those dimensions are? I guess I will just have to experiment

  • @shawnettajones75
    @shawnettajones75 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Way more intricate than the Mary Queen of Scott's fold but I understand why hers had no seals and such. She was working with nothing.

  • @melinor8618
    @melinor8618 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Where could I find a curved, pointed bone folder like the one being used here?

  • @lordbruce2720
    @lordbruce2720 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank god for email

  • @faradaysage15
    @faradaysage15 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I fell asleep waiting for this to finish.
    Jesus fucking christ

  • @ValkyrieVal3
    @ValkyrieVal3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    That is some serious paranoia

  • @canberradogfarts
    @canberradogfarts 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Jana, I somehow migrated through most all oh the work on this "channel" and landed on this, the most complicated of letter locks.
    Would it be possible to get a pdf of the layout of the sheets in this lock so that I could recreate your brilliant work with wasting half of a tree or tonne of linen? Thank you.

    • @canberradogfarts
      @canberradogfarts 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Letterlocking Videos . Thank you.

  • @georgehaslehoffshacklebolt7566
    @georgehaslehoffshacklebolt7566 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Good evening letter locking. I was wandering if this is the most secure method of letter locking in your opinion and if not than which would you say it was? Thank you.

  • @rpinarreta
    @rpinarreta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Believe you would find employment with Medici of renaissance Florence. This after watching Netflix Medici series and noticing many wax sealed letters sent and received of secrecy. Thanks

  • @rowkayzg
    @rowkayzg ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to try to do this. I notice that there appear to be special tools for this art, and I do have Xacto knives and bone folders. But I don't have the pointy bone tool that seems to be very useful. Can you recommend a source for ordering lette rlocking tools?

  • @larryenglish8900
    @larryenglish8900 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    those guys apparently had all day to kill

  • @muneerahdulloo2840
    @muneerahdulloo2840 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would be so annoyed opening this letter....

  • @ladyargiopesvanity
    @ladyargiopesvanity 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't understand the utility to overcomplexity of this scheme. Someone please break it down for me?

  • @djchestybumps5270
    @djchestybumps5270 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting to watch and watched a few videos, but is it wrong that I get bothered by the poor quill use and tiny blobs of wax?

  • @Trondur
    @Trondur 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think it would just be faster to invent the internet and send an email tbh.

  • @hjxkyw
    @hjxkyw 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I tend to think letterlocking was also, or especially, a marker of style, or fashion

  • @loutorres212
    @loutorres212 ปีที่แล้ว

    What type of paper is it ? Where can we find it ?

  • @laurahall4015
    @laurahall4015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where do you get all those tools?

  • @tweaker1bms
    @tweaker1bms 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So...when do you spring load the dagger? 🤔

  • @lGalaxisl
    @lGalaxisl 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    If someone opens this incorrectly, what happens? The letter is teared, but readable, right?

    • @ubiq
      @ubiq 5 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      It's proof to the intended recipient it has been tampered with; it doesn't destroy the letter itself, so it'd be readable, yeah.
      It doesn't protect the contents from being read, it just assures it *hasn't* been read along the way.

    • @julietfischer5056
      @julietfischer5056 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@ubiq - Or anything added.

    • @JamieRobles1
      @JamieRobles1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@julietfischer5056 or scratched out . . . . It would also show, if tampered with, the line of communication is compromised and the ends would have to figure out where the compromise was located at.

    • @julietfischer5056
      @julietfischer5056 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@JamieRobles1 - Or find a new carrier for future messages. Not sure there was a postal service, as we'd know it, in the late 16th/early 17th centuries. If there wasn't, and the letters were carried by servants or associates of senders or recipients, it would be relatively easy to read or tamper with insecure letters. Bribe or blackmail the carriers, or wait until they're asleep or distracted, then take the missives to read or change.

    • @LightbringerDesigns
      @LightbringerDesigns 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JamieRobles1 The thing I don't get is, if I intercept and open a letter like this, I'm going to know that I've done the damage, why would I continue to pass it on to the intended recipient instead of just keeping or destroying it? I'm sure it wasn't unheard of for messages to get lost in the mail back then.

  • @mbsheisey
    @mbsheisey 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please tell me what that implement is that looks like curved bone that you're using to punch holes! Thank you. Now that was impressive!

    • @b.w.22
      @b.w.22 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pretty sure it’s an “awl.”

    • @veryberry39
      @veryberry39 ปีที่แล้ว

      The pointy thing is an awl, but the curved bone is a bone folder!

  • @theartsbymeryll
    @theartsbymeryll 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So.. when I watched a historical tv series/movies where they send encrypted letters with haste and then handing it to the messenger, it was all a lie because they did not show any of this part at all, just the seal.👀🤣

  • @mrbiznessguy
    @mrbiznessguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    should add asmr tag

  • @alaingiguere9197
    @alaingiguere9197 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You need a cutting mat.

  • @janicesumantri
    @janicesumantri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ASMR in 3:10

  • @HandiworksbyClyne
    @HandiworksbyClyne 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A woman is like a sealed letter.

  • @liberispuritatem
    @liberispuritatem 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    These people in 1601 trying to be fancy... Just send an e-mail. Smh...

    • @mftripz8445
      @mftripz8445 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If this was a joke, it was horrible

    • @CarrotConsumer
      @CarrotConsumer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I liked it.

    • @miloesalazar
      @miloesalazar 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Always that one smartass.

  • @BASH_ANGEL
    @BASH_ANGEL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When folding the paper took ages than writing the letter.

  • @scout1160
    @scout1160 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The whole trick is not to cut through the words of the letter

  • @chrisconnolly57
    @chrisconnolly57 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In todays world of Covid lockdowns, the message in this letter probably read "I know where we can get a pint"..

  • @scarabin
    @scarabin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good lord. That’s so destructive and needlessly complex

  • @p4961
    @p4961 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Is this asmr what?

    • @AKorigami
      @AKorigami 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      NO

    • @mandyme8990
      @mandyme8990 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      This was my exact same thought! 😂

    • @christineparayno6929
      @christineparayno6929 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahahahah same thought

    • @Anwelei
      @Anwelei 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Unintentional asmr! My favorite kind

  • @kylefenrick293
    @kylefenrick293 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The enjoyment I would have of sending letters, almost makes me forget about the non-ideal living conditions.
    Sometimes I wonder how people could live in a place where people throw excrement into the streets.
    Fun fact, the chamber pots being thrown out the window, is what started men walking on the outside. Suits were worth pennies, since everyone wore them, but dresses could be worth more than people's houses with near impossibility to clean, at least the very exquisite ones.
    So now I pose a question. Do men or woman now, on average, wear cloths that are more expensive than the other? I notice men wearing more expensive clothing on average now, so should woman walk on the outside now, since the whole basis for who was on the outside, stemmed from the price of the cloths?
    I always walk on the outside, since I have a high level or reaction time, and generally, am on my phone far less(I don't even have a phone at the moment) and pay more attention toy surroundings, than most of my friends.
    Anyways, thank you for the video. I find all of these fascinating, and great insight, to the diversity which we started losing due to modernization

    • @carag2567
      @carag2567 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Before answering your question, are you able to offer a source that it was specifically chamber pots being emptied out windows that resulted in men walking on the outside? That seems to make little sense as windows are located on buildings whereas walking on the outside puts the man closer to the street, away from the mess of a tossed chamber pot.
      I do see what you're saying and I think there is some historical truth to it but not necessarily for those reasons. Men's suits did not come into popular use until the late 1800s. Prior to that, both men's and women's attire were largely comprised of multiple layers and individual pieces that could be used to create unique looks because they were interchangeable.
      You are correct, I believe, in the assertion that men walking on the outside was brought about by a desire to protect both the safety and the attire of the women they were walking with. Until the major cultural and societal changes that arrived post-WWI, women historically wore long, layered skirts that could easily be soiled or even destroyed by mud, dirt, passing carriages, urine/feces, street debris, etc. Not to mention that fabric getting too close and then caught on a moving wheel or horse's hoof could be a catastrophe. Men, on the other hand, wore pants and boots outdoors, which were much easier to clean and presented no risk of getting stuck on anything. Hence why men walked on the outside.
      But it was not specifically due to the emptying of chamber pots or that men's clothing cost "pennies", which was never the case in terms of historical fashion. The price of one's garments was in direct proportion to what one could afford and that was simply the result of the circumstances of one's birth. If you were a member of the noble class, your clothes were expensive.
      As far as your question goes, I think the idea of the man walking closer to the road is outdated and unnecessary in the modern world. If the woman is wearing pants, which is the case more often than not, do you flip a coin? Do you compare price tags and the walker wearing the more costly garment goes on the inside? How should same sex couples orient themselves when walking together? Again, outdated. And I don't think the price of a person's clothing has (or should have) any bearing whatsoever on where they feel most comfortable walking with another person or how deserving they are of protection (whether they want it or not and whether they've asked for it or not). It seems kind of silly and superfluous for modern sensibilities.

  • @tamarachristie1554
    @tamarachristie1554 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I suggest reading this article, for those who don't see the value in video creations like this one: www.atlasobscura.com/articles/what-did-people-do-before-envelopes-letterlocking

  • @grinninggoat5369
    @grinninggoat5369 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This seems overkill. Is there any evidence that extra tamper steps were added by the enemy to obfuscate, ones not employed by the sender, in order to hide the tampering they had done?
    I mean, in what way was it pre-agreed by the sender and recipient that any letter would be letter-locked in such a way so a fair analysis could be done by the recipient that tampering had taken place? (For instance, color of thread and number and type of seals in what order.)
    The more steps involved without a pre-agreement of exact steps taken on the letter lock would make a good manual examination by the recipient quite an iffy affair to say the least. Did both sender and recipient of any letters keep a known good seal of every person they could possibly receive a letter from in a library of seals? If not, finding a known good seal or an individual's method of letter locking could prove time consuming if impossible to verify. If so, just traveling with a library of enemy seals would be incriminating if not highly suspicious. Were not subversive and inconspicuous seals and fake names/middle man addresses used as a measure of no reason for an enemy intercept attempt to suspect or identify a specific couriered letter to begin with?

    • @K9TheFirst1
      @K9TheFirst1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The very act of opening the letter destroys it, making it pretty obvious that someone tried or succeeded in opening the letter before it reached the receiver. Meaning that a spy - if he wanted to hide the fact that the letter was intercepted by sending the letter onward - would need to completely refabricate the letter down to the hand writing. And - I assume, and we know what that means - if a sender is going to go through the effort of letter locking, they are likely going to do it only one way unless there is a very good reason to do otherwise, so a receiver would be confident that it was from who it appeared to be.
      Secondly, seals were almost always miniature examples of the sender's coat of arms or a similarly well documented symbol. Forging a seal was punishable by death, making it rarely worth the effort. While a 'lighter' sentence would be given to imperfect forgeries, that meant that the receiver could usually tell at a glance that it wasn't genuine.
      As someone elsewhere mentioned - this is the perfect way to prevent what in computer security is called a 'Man In The Middle Attack: Where someone intercepts the information, copies it, then sends the packet on its way with neither ends knowing about it.

    • @grinninggoat5369
      @grinninggoat5369 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@K9TheFirst1 , fine and dandy but... you didn't answer my original question as to the original letter this video was based on. Thanks for trying though :)

  • @sullivanmcwhirter3943
    @sullivanmcwhirter3943 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    .

  • @sarabunn1082
    @sarabunn1082 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just use an envelope

  • @viridian4388
    @viridian4388 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had to watch it at double speed and it is still not fast enough. Should have been editing for all the false starts and fiddling around.

  • @robertmoon1
    @robertmoon1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There's a character in the FX comedy series What We Do in the Shadows who is an energy vampire--a creature who purposely frustrates others in order to feed off their agitated energy. This woman clumsily fumbling around for 12 minutes is one such creature. I just wanted to snatch that letter out of her hand and finish folding the damn thing. Also, cool video.

  • @tombarber21
    @tombarber21 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wouldn’t it be easier to buy an envelope and stick it in there?

    • @en1909s9iah
      @en1909s9iah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      then the person who violated the letter could put in another envelope and fake it as being unopened, this way the piece that is cut from the beginning can be checked to see if the letter has been opened before, not to mention that the whole thing cannot be done without showing signs of tears and stuff. the person would have to be a good forger to redone the whole letter, and the seal.

    • @deidrebee1
      @deidrebee1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a recreation from history before envelopes were factory made.

  • @purpleidea
    @purpleidea 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I don't see these techniques as particularly useful, since you can just steal the letter, read it, and not deliver it. There aren't *that* many reasons where the non-delivery or knowledge that something is secret is useful. So just steal the letters and learn the secrets, and don't deliver them.

    • @brucewoolman9881
      @brucewoolman9881 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      If plans are intercepted and not delivered then they can be changed. Intelligence is most valuable when one's enemy does not know one has it. Tamper evident messaging like this is critical to preventing covert interception; that is, a classic man in the middle attack. Analog of course d:-b

    • @RaptorsReport
      @RaptorsReport 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brucewoolman9881 You could intercept the message, study the handwriting and the locking mechanism and then send a replica.

    • @brucewoolman9881
      @brucewoolman9881 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@RaptorsReport I agree. One would have to work fast as a practical matter to create the replica. Not to mention replicating the signet seal. It would be better if one had the handwriting and letter locking and the seal ready and waiting beforehand at the time of the interception (or at least, perhaps, the handwriting). But either way this could be a successful MITM attack. Hmmm. Guess we will stick with AES in our family.

    • @guildofsayntlukemedievalar9024
      @guildofsayntlukemedievalar9024 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      If the letter contents were highly secret then codes can and were used. This was letter closing to show evidence of tampering. Many survive so it was evidently used. Consider that many letters were taken by servants to the recipient or along an organised chain of communication. In some cases the letters were hidden in other packages and mentioned in letters, see Pastons 1450-1500.
      There are medieval recipes for duplicating seals, a putty is made from chalk and glue and the seal is covered in fine onion skin and the putty pressed on it for future casting.

  • @meredithlindsey3835
    @meredithlindsey3835 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why does that sound bother me so much? It's like nails on a chalkboard

  • @gertie2454
    @gertie2454 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just get on with it. Criminy!

    • @caelidhg6261
      @caelidhg6261 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      patience

    • @gertie2454
      @gertie2454 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lack of patience is my biggest flaw.

  • @alexwoolz5339
    @alexwoolz5339 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jesus I remember when ASMR shit was ABnormal. Now it's like everyone has this need to be 'different'.
    To all you normal folks out there who have this need please understand that as someone who is in fact 'different' your insecurities only make the lives of those of us who are 'weird' more difficult.
    Also, I swear to God I would do ANYTHING to be a frat guy who loves football and crappy beer and all those things....
    I want that so damn bad.
    But that ain't me.
    I'm one of the weirdos.
    And I hate it.

    • @magpie92766
      @magpie92766 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      💔😟

    • @veryberry39
      @veryberry39 ปีที่แล้ว

      Uh. What? I have no idea what you're trying to say here. You don't like ASMR? You like it but wish you didn't? I only wish ASMR hadn't become mainstream because it's opened it up to people who like to make fun of it, for the simple reason that they don't experience and therefore think it's "dumb." Everyone's got their thing. Unless your thing is violence or ignoring someone's consent/privacy, there's nothing wrong with any of it.

  • @oneitalia2312
    @oneitalia2312 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    enough is enough! too much is just too much! your letter recipient will not appreciate, or know, how much time y
    ou put into sealing up the letter so the KGB can't even
    open it! There's a point in stopping with just a beautiful wax seal (which, by the way, your seals are not pretty at all).

    • @julietfischer5056
      @julietfischer5056 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      This was a letter sent by an intelligence agent. And yes, the recipient would have cared that he took the time to ensure that nobody could tamper with it.

    • @Thrillhouse911
      @Thrillhouse911 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      sue moore no one cares

    • @AlexK-jp9nc
      @AlexK-jp9nc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Literally the last comment by rating
      Wonder why

    • @moeskido
      @moeskido 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      This dates from the 17th century, if not earlier. I don't imagine the KGB existed then.

    • @rebeccaneal4336
      @rebeccaneal4336 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The person demonstrating the folding technique also is the person who initially coined the term "letterlocking"- Jana Dambrogio. She recognized patterns in creases, folds, wax seals, cuts, and other markings in letters and has been documenting the variety of letterlocking techniques ever since. Read: www.janadambrogio.com/about/#bio-1