Good video! Ultimately, the problem with "sound wars" are the people mixing these things, and not a vinyl vs. CD issue, and not an analogue vs. digital. And they do this for various reasons. In the days of yore, things were mixed to the lowest common denominator...and still are. Then, that was the transistor radio and mono turntables...now we have people listening to music on phones with tiny speakers. Neither one are particular dynamic experiences. What is generally ignored here, mostly in the vinyl vs. CD debate is SIGNAL VS. NOISE RATIO. In this case, digital wins totally. For example, I never heard Carl Palmer's timpani on ELP's "Pirates" until I bought a CD remaster (after years of listening to the vinyl). A great new mix, brought all instruments to the proper volume level, apparently not possible on the vinyl mix. Yes, this example is very dynamic music, and that's where it really counts in regard to this issue. It probably doesn't matter on a Kiss album. The other issues with analogue are many. Turntable rumble, surface noise, etc. The LP was never intended to be an audiophile format, especially with the low dynamic range present at the low 33.3 speed of the disc. It was generally acknowledged that 45s sounded better back in the day, but people still insist that LPs are the only way to truly hear an album the way it was intended. Faster-moving tape sources had an advantage, but had their own problems with issues such as hiss. Ultimately, all analogue sources degrade over time because of friction (diamond stylus vs. vinyl, shaving it bit by bit) and, in the case of tapes, the addition of earth's magnetic field itself further stripping the sound quality over time. I n these cases, enjoy the fidelity while you can. So, as a guy that had hundreds of LPs and tapes...and got rid of them...I'll take the digital versions over anything else. When bands play live, they don't "cut frequencies" like an analogue mixer had to do. I don't want color or imaginary warmth, I want the music to sound like it was supposed to. My suggestion to all is to buy a good home system, one that has a thing called a subwoofer, and also adjust the sound field for the personal listening environment. It makes a big difference :) Thumbs up for the discussion, John!
Excellent post Justin! You make a lot of fantastic points. Like you said there is nothing wrong with CDs in themselves it's the people mixing and mastering the music who are to blame for the overly loud and dynamically compromised music. In some ways this is what drove me to vinyl although I wasn't really conscious of it at the time, the vinyl versions of CDs I had sounded more open and easier on the ears where as the CDs were harsher, later I discovered this was the result of over zealous mastering. Excellent point also about the signal to noise ratio. This is something I don't know much about but your point is spot on. I think what I find disappointing is that the CD format should be the ultimate listening experience with what it is capable of doing but way to many modern CDs and modern remasters just ruing that with loudness and over all bad mastering jobs.
@@LairoftheAlchemist Digitally remastered is not always good. A while back I posted Rainbow song Light in the black (not rising) in a Blackmore group, someone pointed out he didn't like the newer version.... Turned out I didn't either after listening to both versions.. I did notice some of the instruments are louder on the new version.... But it lacked the warmth of the earlier version
@Damon Scott Some people do get it right like those Sabbath Deluxe remasters, Dio had the same treatment done and those sound great also. Unfortunately crushed dynamics is more the norm when buying stuff. Such a shame because it really takes away from the music. A CD with all it's dynamics intact can really be cranked up and enjoyed.
I disagree with a lot of this. First of all, the information on a record in the listenable range is vast. No need to go into analog vs a chopped up digital recreation. Just google that. As for rumble/scratches/hiss...all minute part of the sound and most importantly something for your brain to compare against when it is receiving the vital information. We underestimate this part and that is a shame. Digital is but a small sample compared to a superior sounding vinyl experience. Why?? Because samples in less than 100,000 are never going to capture the lathe that is cut with data points in the billions. What is not up for any debate is that vinyl in its original form is a key part of the puzzle that allows one to get the truth of what was originally mixed as opposed to the latest engineer who has no clue because of being outside the original process. It is true that physics is real and you do lose quality of a record being played...but there is so much infirmation to get, you are not go to hear a significant difference over a lifetime! I smell a digital fanboy and the whole post is not based in any practical truth.
I remember when their where hi-fi stores that sold high end audio equipment. The store owners would let me listen to fifty thousand dollar stereo systems. These are audio experiences that I will never forget. Now all we have is Best Buy. Always left that store disappointed.
Hey man, great job with the explanation using the whiteboard and marker. I love vinyl and CDs just about equally. I don't know man, after all this time, after so many releases on vinyl, CD, re-releases, remasters, digital transfers on to vinyl, etc. etc. ad nauseam... I have finally arrived at the conclusion that many records sound great, many CDs sound great and the opposite is also true, many records sound terrible, many CDs sound terrible. At the end of the day, I love both formats about equally. There are remastering engineers out there who are respectful of the original recordings and do their best to release a quality digital mastering whether it's a new or old recording. There is simply no getting around surface noise, and pops and tics of vinyl and the quality control involved in pressing plant manufacturing. There is nothing worse than spending $30 on a modern vinyl reissue and on one track (or more - gasp!) there is a burst of non-fill noise for a few seconds. There is no worse buzz-kill than that! Record ruined, as far as I'm concerned. Anyway, I look forward to your "digital transfers on vinyl" video (I am not a fan of it. Just get the CD fer cryin' out loud and save about 20 bucks, lol!). BTW are you a member on Steve Hoffman Forums? I'm "Scroller" on there FWIW.
Thanks and I agree with you..the problem is not the medium it's the people mastering the music. I have great sounding CDs and terrible sounding vinyl in my collection.
Spot on , the technicalities of sound production or reproduction gets pretty complicated . Vinyl is usually the go to for me , after all us older farts are analog (analogue) kids .. lol .. Power on John.
Thanks! It's a complicated subject and I'm not sure I did it justice but I felt I needed to address the issue as I'm often mentioning "Dynamic Range" and "Loudness" in my discussions.
What brought me to vinyl is the mixes. The fact that they had to compensate for its limitations is actually a benefit. CD is the superior format, but they’re doing everything they can to make that seem like it isn’t true, it seems.
I think some of the worst examples of super loud albums are some of these newer remasters of 70s and 80s albums. Back in Black for instance is just a solid bar of audio. The amount of compression is just insane.
Agreed, but NOTHING is worse than what they did to Death Magnetic. The destruction of classic albums through modern remasters is what brought me to vinyl.
Thanks for all the great explainations of everything, after YEARS of trail and error recording vinyl to digital i finally learned how and why my early recording sounded terrible! I thought "compression" made audio sound better, i was wrong all along, because i never fully enjoyed them until i learned that its much better NOT to use ANY compression at all, i recorded the same stuff from my vinyl collection with out it , IT WAS A HUGE DIFFERENCE! Thanks to the high end compacitors on my gaming motherboard AND the analog direct feature from my sony reciever, AND the AUDACITY (im able to pick up clippings and fix them) software, the recordings sounds so much nice, clear and crisp picking up every sound of all the instruments equally! Now they all sound FAR better than any streaming sites/CDs combined! "Life is all about learning from our mistakes!"
BTW - per modern CDs (post 1997) Japanese pressings can have better audio quality - often have less or even no brickwalled audio compared to international pressings
@@LairoftheAlchemist often the covers look the same except the clue is to look on the back cover & its will say "Made in Japan" & have the JASRAC logo. Sometimes the price in yen. Otherwise it will say "Made in the EU" or "Made in the USA"
The main argument I have against people who don't seem to think the loudness war exists is this: Most of us discovered it long before we heard the phrase "loudness war" or knew anything about compression. We all just got this "sense" that something was wrong with a lot of music, but some music for some reason sounds amazing. It's a common sentiment that classic music "sounded better," and people will often attribute this to analogue. Nope, it's dynamic crushing that made it bad. Listen to Aether Realm's album _Tarot._ High dynamic range. Power/death metal in the vein of Ensiferum, but possibly better. You're welcome. Normally, incidentally, I recommend a specific song because I usually only like a couple of songs per CD, but I think I liked almost every song from _Tarot,_ so. . . I mean, I'd almost recommend just straight-up buying the album without even listening first if you like Ensiferum; I'm _that_ confident.
Very true...it's like I mention in the video..I knew there was something I didn't like about the newer recordings I was hearing and then found out it's called the loudness war.
There are some albums on that database with a score of '00' throughout, lol. I suppose some genres might be prone to less range than others even without adjustments. That database should have a seperate column for actual year of release for the format, instead of having to click for the specifics. Vinyl always seems to be better than cd or digital. Most lossless digital must be from the same source as cd. I might consider getting future albums on vinyl, but I'd still be wary of wearing them out, although I suppose you can rip your own. I have some vinyl but it's only for collection purposes
Oddly enough, the first time I noticed this phenomenon wasn't even for a metal album. It was Live's Throwing Copper in 1994. I could just tell certain sounds sounded like they were distorting, but not in the good way. I couldn't explain it at the time. Later that year I bought Oasis' Definitely Maybe and it was even worse. Funny thing is, those albums sound a lot better than 99% of modern releases.
In my opinion, it's not just the loudness war, it's also the use of autotune, quantization, and drum machine. I found out that a lot of modern Metal music to be lifeless and boring. The drums are the exact same tempo and same loudness. Autotune, quantization, drum machine, and over-compression (loudness war) are ruining my listening enjoyment especially modern Metal.
I just bought the reissues of 'Eaten Back To Life' and 'Vile'. I'm not the biggest death metal fan, but I like 'The Bleeding' really well. I paid over 25 bucks for an OG. I thought I would try to get into some of the others... 'Vile sounds like it would be a great album but the remaster sounds mashed together to the point where I can't hear what the fuck is going on. 'Eaten Back to Life' is definitely doable, but the 'Vile' remaster is almost unlistenable.
Streaming Services presents another problem. With Streaming Services, you are at the mercy of the companies themselves and they’ll remove a song, album, artist, and band from their catalog over something like license expiring, hurting some employee’s feelings, or even being politically incorrect
Right. The loudness war may not be such a bad thing as you said. However, when it pushes to limits (like every oasis album, RHCP's californication, metallica's death magnetic, and the wholes tame impala, and taylor swift albums) enough, it will ruin the record with excessive distortion even more than the same environmental noise itself, and it will not be as enjoyable at all. In other cases, while listening clipping and/or brickwalling sound on headphones it'll sound "narrow", not distorted, but tight. Some good recordings like Daft Punk's Random Access Memories sound fantastic, but again, louder enough to clip the signals, which also punches would sound saturated.
I could be wrong, and correct me if I am, but I feel like modern production keeps the younger generation from exploring some of the greatest bands that are so responsible for the stuff that followed and is out today. I'm not against newer bands at all, and I'll try just about anything. I just kind of get the idea that the production on stuff like Five Finger Death Punch's albums and the like is so over the top and thumps so hard that these young people are not able to appreciate a simple production from Sabbath and Zep. Could it be that younger metal heads are so into being massively vibrated by a kick drum and not the content of the song. Don't get me wrong... I love bands like Behemoth who are doing well right now and have modern production, but I'm concerned about kids being able to put on an album like 'Hotter Than Hell' to even stuff like 'The Yes Album' and being able to see the good in it. I believe this some how ties into the loudness war theme. Just a concerned music geek... that's all.
I totally agree with you and that is a very good point. Modern "loud" production has caused younger and modern listeners to not be able to appreciate a truly well mixed album. In fact the art of the well mixed album seems to be a thing of the past. Everyone is so used to dynamically crushed and flat sounding music that an album like "Dark Side of the Moon" can sound quaint. I would also argue that younger kids are so used to programmed drums and auto-tuned vocals that "real.played by musicians without the help a computer " music sounds strange to them.
The problem is that you _don't_ get "massively vibrated" by a kick-drum that's been dynamically crushed. You only get the punch of a kick drum if your recording has lots of dynamic range.
You not caring about CDs doesn't make it better, because HDtracks "high resolution" music gets released with crushed dynamic range. I think they do this to hijack prices for Blu-Ray audio releases, which end up with nicer DR.
@@LairoftheAlchemist mixing is when all instrument comes together into one another while mastering is part of the mixing process but it’s more of the mix down while mastering is what I called mis down.
I refuse to listen to anything "remixed" or "remastered". To me, altering the intent of the musicians is vandalism. I watch a Twitch channel that plays ripped DVDs and blurays and the rippers clearly know nothing about subtleties of sound design so their rips completely submerge the dialogue under a literal rumble of bass.
Good video!
Ultimately, the problem with "sound wars" are the people mixing these things, and not a vinyl vs. CD issue, and not an analogue vs. digital. And they do this for various reasons. In the days of yore, things were mixed to the lowest common denominator...and still are. Then, that was the transistor radio and mono turntables...now we have people listening to music on phones with tiny speakers. Neither one are particular dynamic experiences.
What is generally ignored here, mostly in the vinyl vs. CD debate is SIGNAL VS. NOISE RATIO. In this case, digital wins totally. For example, I never heard Carl Palmer's timpani on ELP's "Pirates" until I bought a CD remaster (after years of listening to the vinyl). A great new mix, brought all instruments to the proper volume level, apparently not possible on the vinyl mix. Yes, this example is very dynamic music, and that's where it really counts in regard to this issue. It probably doesn't matter on a Kiss album.
The other issues with analogue are many. Turntable rumble, surface noise, etc. The LP was never intended to be an audiophile format, especially with the low dynamic range present at the low 33.3 speed of the disc. It was generally acknowledged that 45s sounded better back in the day, but people still insist that LPs are the only way to truly hear an album the way it was intended. Faster-moving tape sources had an advantage, but had their own problems with issues such as hiss. Ultimately, all analogue sources degrade over time because of friction (diamond stylus vs. vinyl, shaving it bit by bit) and, in the case of tapes, the addition of earth's magnetic field itself further stripping the sound quality over time. I n these cases, enjoy the fidelity while you can.
So, as a guy that had hundreds of LPs and tapes...and got rid of them...I'll take the digital versions over anything else. When bands play live, they don't "cut frequencies" like an analogue mixer had to do. I don't want color or imaginary warmth, I want the music to sound like it was supposed to. My suggestion to all is to buy a good home system, one that has a thing called a subwoofer, and also adjust the sound field for the personal listening environment. It makes a big difference :)
Thumbs up for the discussion, John!
Excellent post Justin! You make a lot of fantastic points. Like you said there is nothing wrong with CDs in themselves it's the people mixing and mastering the music who are to blame for the overly loud and dynamically compromised music. In some ways this is what drove me to vinyl although I wasn't really conscious of it at the time, the vinyl versions of CDs I had sounded more open and easier on the ears where as the CDs were harsher, later I discovered this was the result of over zealous mastering.
Excellent point also about the signal to noise ratio. This is something I don't know much about but your point is spot on.
I think what I find disappointing is that the CD format should be the ultimate listening experience with what it is capable of doing but way to many modern CDs and modern remasters just ruing that with loudness and over all bad mastering jobs.
@@LairoftheAlchemist Digitally remastered is not always good. A while back I posted Rainbow song Light in the black (not rising) in a Blackmore group, someone pointed out he didn't like the newer version.... Turned out I didn't either after listening to both versions.. I did notice some of the instruments are louder on the new version.... But it lacked the warmth of the earlier version
@@samyou9380 I'm always skeptical when I see something listed as "digitally remastered"..more often then not I'm disappointed.
@Damon Scott Some people do get it right like those Sabbath Deluxe remasters, Dio had the same treatment done and those sound great also. Unfortunately crushed dynamics is more the norm when buying stuff. Such a shame because it really takes away from the music. A CD with all it's dynamics intact can really be cranked up and enjoyed.
I disagree with a lot of this. First of all, the information on a record in the listenable range is vast. No need to go into analog vs a chopped up digital recreation. Just google that. As for rumble/scratches/hiss...all minute part of the sound and most importantly something for your brain to compare against when it is receiving the vital information. We underestimate this part and that is a shame.
Digital is but a small sample compared to a superior sounding vinyl experience. Why?? Because samples in less than 100,000 are never going to capture the lathe that is cut with data points in the billions.
What is not up for any debate is that vinyl in its original form is a key part of the puzzle that allows one to get the truth of what was originally mixed as opposed to the latest engineer who has no clue because of being outside the original process.
It is true that physics is real and you do lose quality of a record being played...but there is so much infirmation to get, you are not go to hear a significant difference over a lifetime!
I smell a digital fanboy and the whole post is not based in any practical truth.
Awesome video man, glad i came upon your channel the other day loving the content so far keep it up dude
Thanks!
This is a fantastic video. Keep up the good content!
Thanks!
I remember when their where hi-fi stores that sold high end audio equipment. The store owners would let me listen to fifty thousand dollar stereo systems. These are audio experiences that I will never forget. Now all we have is Best Buy. Always left that store disappointed.
Hey man, great job with the explanation using the whiteboard and marker. I love vinyl and CDs just about equally. I don't know man, after all this time, after so many releases on vinyl, CD, re-releases, remasters, digital transfers on to vinyl, etc. etc. ad nauseam... I have finally arrived at the conclusion that many records sound great, many CDs sound great and the opposite is also true, many records sound terrible, many CDs sound terrible. At the end of the day, I love both formats about equally. There are remastering engineers out there who are respectful of the original recordings and do their best to release a quality digital mastering whether it's a new or old recording. There is simply no getting around surface noise, and pops and tics of vinyl and the quality control involved in pressing plant manufacturing. There is nothing worse than spending $30 on a modern vinyl reissue and on one track (or more - gasp!) there is a burst of non-fill noise for a few seconds. There is no worse buzz-kill than that! Record ruined, as far as I'm concerned. Anyway, I look forward to your "digital transfers on vinyl" video (I am not a fan of it. Just get the CD fer cryin' out loud and save about 20 bucks, lol!). BTW are you a member on Steve Hoffman Forums? I'm "Scroller" on there FWIW.
Thanks and I agree with you..the problem is not the medium it's the people mastering the music. I have great sounding CDs and terrible sounding vinyl in my collection.
Spot on , the technicalities of sound production or reproduction gets pretty complicated . Vinyl is usually the go to for me , after all us older farts are analog (analogue) kids .. lol .. Power on John.
Thanks! It's a complicated subject and I'm not sure I did it justice but I felt I needed to address the issue as I'm often mentioning "Dynamic Range" and "Loudness" in my discussions.
What brought me to vinyl is the mixes. The fact that they had to compensate for its limitations is actually a benefit. CD is the superior format, but they’re doing everything they can to make that seem like it isn’t true, it seems.
What a fantastic video! Absolutely brilliant. Something else I to educate myself in. Take care.
Glad you dug it!
I think some of the worst examples of super loud albums are some of these newer remasters of 70s and 80s albums. Back in Black for instance is just a solid bar of audio. The amount of compression is just insane.
I agree with you...I also think a lot of modern metal albums are mastered badly, just a brick wall of sound.
Agreed, but NOTHING is worse than what they did to Death Magnetic.
The destruction of classic albums through modern remasters is what brought me to vinyl.
Thanks for all the great explainations of everything, after YEARS of trail and error recording vinyl to digital i finally learned how and why my early recording sounded terrible! I thought "compression" made audio sound better, i was wrong all along, because i never fully enjoyed them until i learned that its much better NOT to use ANY compression at all, i recorded the same stuff from my vinyl collection with out it , IT WAS A HUGE DIFFERENCE! Thanks to the high end compacitors on my gaming motherboard AND the analog direct feature from my sony reciever, AND the AUDACITY (im able to pick up clippings and fix them) software, the recordings sounds so much nice, clear and crisp picking up every sound of all the instruments equally! Now they all sound FAR better than any streaming sites/CDs combined! "Life is all about learning from our mistakes!"
BTW - per modern CDs (post 1997) Japanese pressings can have better audio quality - often have less or even no brickwalled audio compared to international pressings
Interesting …didn’t know that.
@@LairoftheAlchemist often the covers look the same except the clue is to look on the back cover & its will say "Made in Japan" & have the JASRAC logo. Sometimes the price in yen. Otherwise it will say "Made in the EU" or "Made in the USA"
Good video! Have you done one on modern vinyl yet?
thanks..haven't made the modern vinyl video yet..but I was thinking about it recently. Need to get on it.
Great video. Very well explained so the average person can understand. Keep up the great work. 🤘from Australia
Great video and this is so true. When are you going to do the video "Is it worth buying modern vinyl" I can't wait.
Thanks, yeah… I’ve got to make that video. It’s on my list for sure.
The main argument I have against people who don't seem to think the loudness war exists is this: Most of us discovered it long before we heard the phrase "loudness war" or knew anything about compression. We all just got this "sense" that something was wrong with a lot of music, but some music for some reason sounds amazing.
It's a common sentiment that classic music "sounded better," and people will often attribute this to analogue. Nope, it's dynamic crushing that made it bad.
Listen to Aether Realm's album _Tarot._
High dynamic range.
Power/death metal in the vein of Ensiferum, but possibly better.
You're welcome.
Normally, incidentally, I recommend a specific song because I usually only like a couple of songs per CD, but I think I liked almost every song from _Tarot,_ so. . . I mean, I'd almost recommend just straight-up buying the album without even listening first if you like Ensiferum; I'm _that_ confident.
Very true...it's like I mention in the video..I knew there was something I didn't like about the newer recordings I was hearing and then found out it's called the loudness war.
Great video! About the point on vinyl at [21:53] though, have you released that video? I can't find it.
I haven't done a video on that yet but thanks for reminding me as it's a topic I have some opinions on.
There are some albums on that database with a score of '00' throughout, lol. I suppose some genres might be prone to less range than others even without adjustments. That database should have a seperate column for actual year of release for the format, instead of having to click for the specifics. Vinyl always seems to be better than cd or digital. Most lossless digital must be from the same source as cd. I might consider getting future albums on vinyl, but I'd still be wary of wearing them out, although I suppose you can rip your own. I have some vinyl but it's only for collection purposes
At 11:30 it kinda sounds like you’re describing the vocal style of hardcore
Who is it that determines what the remaster should sound like? Is it the record company or the mastering engineer?
Oddly enough, the first time I noticed this phenomenon wasn't even for a metal album. It was Live's Throwing Copper in 1994. I could just tell certain sounds sounded like they were distorting, but not in the good way. I couldn't explain it at the time. Later that year I bought Oasis' Definitely Maybe and it was even worse. Funny thing is, those albums sound a lot better than 99% of modern releases.
That Oasis album is notorious for being one of the early loudness wars albums.
You’re an awesome 😎 TH-cam channel.
thanks
@@LairoftheAlchemist no problem 😌.
@@LairoftheAlchemistfirewalk has an awesome 😎 explaining on what’s the difference between mixing vs mastering.
In my opinion, it's not just the loudness war, it's also the use of autotune, quantization, and drum machine. I found out that a lot of modern Metal music to be lifeless and boring. The drums are the exact same tempo and same loudness.
Autotune, quantization, drum machine, and over-compression (loudness war) are ruining my listening enjoyment especially modern Metal.
I totally agree with you!
Wasn’t Danzig 4 album one of the first albums of loudness war?
I think I remember that one being one of the early victims.
The current Metal Blade re-issues of Cannibal Corpse are so loud that it hurts to listen to them with earbuds
Brave warrior hope your ears are ok
I just heard a new Cannibal Corpse song the other day and it was just plastered sound..really rough on the ears.
@Damon Scott Now some of those early first pressing CDs..especially of the death metal stuff can get pricey to buy.
I just bought the reissues of 'Eaten Back To Life' and 'Vile'. I'm not the biggest death metal fan, but I like 'The Bleeding' really well. I paid over 25 bucks for an OG. I thought I would try to get into some of the others... 'Vile sounds like it would be a great album but the remaster sounds mashed together to the point where I can't hear what the fuck is going on. 'Eaten Back to Life' is definitely doable, but the 'Vile' remaster is almost unlistenable.
Streaming Services presents another problem. With Streaming Services, you are at the mercy of the companies themselves and they’ll remove a song, album, artist, and band from their catalog over something like license expiring, hurting some employee’s feelings, or even being politically incorrect
Right. The loudness war may not be such a bad thing as you said. However, when it pushes to limits (like every oasis album, RHCP's californication, metallica's death magnetic, and the wholes tame impala, and taylor swift albums) enough, it will ruin the record with excessive distortion even more than the same environmental noise itself, and it will not be as enjoyable at all. In other cases, while listening clipping and/or brickwalling sound on headphones it'll sound "narrow", not distorted, but tight.
Some good recordings like Daft Punk's Random Access Memories sound fantastic, but again, louder enough to clip the signals, which also punches would sound saturated.
Great podcast! Recently bought Revolution Saints CD's on Frontiers records - sound awful! Sold them at a loss.
Thanks...it's a shame how many modern recordings are ruined sonically.
I could be wrong, and correct me if I am, but I feel like modern production keeps the younger generation from exploring some of the greatest bands that are so responsible for the stuff that followed and is out today. I'm not against newer bands at all, and I'll try just about anything. I just kind of get the idea that the production on stuff like Five Finger Death Punch's albums and the like is so over the top and thumps so hard that these young people are not able to appreciate a simple production from Sabbath and Zep. Could it be that younger metal heads are so into being massively vibrated by a kick drum and not the content of the song. Don't get me wrong... I love bands like Behemoth who are doing well right now and have modern production, but I'm concerned about kids being able to put on an album like 'Hotter Than Hell' to even stuff like 'The Yes Album' and being able to see the good in it. I believe this some how ties into the loudness war theme. Just a concerned music geek... that's all.
I totally agree with you and that is a very good point. Modern "loud" production has caused younger and modern listeners to not be able to appreciate a truly well mixed album. In fact the art of the well mixed album seems to be a thing of the past. Everyone is so used to dynamically crushed and flat sounding music that an album like "Dark Side of the Moon" can sound quaint. I would also argue that younger kids are so used to programmed drums and auto-tuned vocals that "real.played by musicians without the help a computer " music sounds strange to them.
The problem is that you _don't_ get "massively vibrated" by a kick-drum that's been dynamically crushed. You only get the punch of a kick drum if your recording has lots of dynamic range.
@@Selrisitai I agree...the squashed dynamics removes all the punch from a recording and the bass drum sound usually suffers.
You not caring about CDs doesn't make it better, because HDtracks "high resolution" music gets released with crushed dynamic range. I think they do this to hijack prices for Blu-Ray audio releases, which end up with nicer DR.
1st CD I encountered the brickwalled audio is New Order's "best of" album (1994) - horrid audio
Which is your mixing and mastering video?
try this one..th-cam.com/video/15jXBQzgzmw/w-d-xo.html
@@LairoftheAlchemist thank you lair of the alchemist.
@@LairoftheAlchemist got it thank you ☺️ lair of the alchemist.
@@LairoftheAlchemist mixing is when all instrument comes together into one another while mastering is part of the mixing process but it’s more of the mix down while mastering is what I called mis down.
You are right, that is loudness worse 😆
I refuse to listen to anything "remixed" or "remastered". To me, altering the intent of the musicians is vandalism. I watch a Twitch channel that plays ripped DVDs and blurays and the rippers clearly know nothing about subtleties of sound design so their rips completely submerge the dialogue under a literal rumble of bass.