Proverbs 20:1 KJVS [1] Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Wine IS a mocker, stay away. It’s a tempted don’t even look at it too long. Proverbs 23:29-32 KJVS [29] Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? [30] They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. [31] Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. [32] At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Yes we have liberty but oh to be filled with the words of the Lord!!!
I know that alcohol is wicked and shouldn’t even be looked at, but I have question: when Jesus turned water into wine, was that fermented? A Catholic friend has been giving me trouble on this and I don’t have an answer for it.
Habakkuk 2:15 KJV [15] Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness! If Jesus Christ's wine has any alcohol in it, and considering he made about 120 liters of the stuff, and if 1 person got drunk at the wedding, Jesus Christ would be a sinner. So if your Catholic friend agrees Jesus Christ is perfect, then the wine cannot be alcoholic
@@captainkrajick Saying that Jesus Christ would be a sinner if someone got drunk from his wine is like saying Jesus Christ would be a sinner if the blind man to whom he restored sight lusted with his eyes afterward. That's guilt by association, and it's a weak argument.
@@captainkrajickI guess YT removed my comment. I was saying: Way to be honest and consider an argument. The Scripture you posted is about DRUNKENESS being a sin, not about simply drinking wine being a sin. What you said afterwards is your OPINION as well. Notice the verse you posted: Habakkuk 2:15 [15]Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, *_AND makest him drunken also,_* that thou mayest look on their nakedness! Notice it says "and", not "or". Please see my other comment where I use Scripture to prove that Jesus Christ both drank wine, and that new wine is not ALWAYS in reference to plain grape juice.
It’s funny, because I prayed about this morning and God answered it immediately with this video. But I do have a couple genuine questions, and let me promise you that I’m not being a “smarty pants” or anything when I ask. I just genuinely don’t know. Dr. Ruckman has been an amazing teacher to me and I love the man dearly. This is what I don’t understand though. In the gospels, when the Pharisees accuse our Lord of being a wine bibber and a glutton (obviously he’s not). Wouldn’t the wine have been alcoholic to a certain degree if it’s just what the publicans and sinners had laying around at the dinner table? In Acts 2:13 “Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.””. So what’s the deal that? I feel like maybe I’m missing a couple other verses where new wine could seem alcohol? What am I missing? I just don’t understand. What does the wine mean in the context of Psalm 104:5 mean then? I spent a lot of time as a home brewer so I understand the brew process really well. But I totally don’t think the wine and beer and whathave you in our Lord’s time is the same as it is now. Back then, the alcohol content had to have been much much lower. If the Lord truly didn’t have any wine with alcohol, can a Christian consume it? I’ve been of the stance that drunkeness is a sin but one beer or something isn’t a sin. It’s what a man does with it that makes it sinful. Because I know the scriptures also read that nothing is a sin of itself, and I know the apostle Peter ate the pork although it was unclean at one point in time. However the Bible does have a lot of warning about drunkeness so it’s best to either be responsible or obtain completely. I teetotaled for about 9 months, then had some beer. Then I had a night where I had gotten drunk. And now I really don’t mess with it anymore because I’m a person that can’t handle it. Also, I have a health condition that doesn’t allow me to have any whatsoever. Which, I have really never been a super big drinker to begin with it’s kind of a once in a while gig. Plus, I actively soul win with Chick Tracts and I want to live for Jesus. The Bible warns a lot about falling into sin and the temptations of alcohol, which is another reason I’ve honestly begun just staying away. But here’s the deal, I’ve been telling people my stance (which I listed above) for a long time. I’m kind of right in the middle. And if I’m wrong, I want to know and I want to know why. So if anyone out there maybe knows something I don’t know… I’d really like to know so I can change that view. I’ve always kind of left it off for that person to decide. You know it’s kind of like you can’t say guns are sinful, but if a person uses a gun to shoot in a school or something obviously it’s sinful. And I know within church history and just history in general the water hasn’t been clean to drink. So I’m assuming they used beer and alcohol, I know Luther did. I know the pilgrims did. So, if anyone would want to answer or post a comment that would be great. As always brethren, God Bless. (Once again totally not being a smarter pants, just being totally open and honest.) Follow up question: Is Non-Alcoholic beer okay if alcohol is indeed not for a Christian to consume? I mean, it has a giant 0 on the side of the can and non alcoholic and it’s even called a “malt beverage” I think. So, just trying to get clarification on that too. Thanks!
The Bible condemns drunkenness as you have said not against having any alcohol. The qualifications for a bishop and deacon are not given to much wine not zero alcohol and Paul also tells Timothy he should have some for medicinal purposes. I personally stay away from alcohol because as a lost man I would get drunk and I know my flesh is weak. My advice to you is if it is a temptation for you then you need to abstain from it. 1Cor 10:23 is a verse to think upon.
1. New Wine is indeed non-alcoholic. 2. No, the wine isn’t “new wine” at the Lords supper, and “Drink it new with you” is not referencing to the wine, but the action of drinking the wine. Cross reference to Lamentations 3:23. 3. “Fruit of the vine” is wine. Amos 9:14. 4. In order to have fresh grapes, they must have been able to have been harvested. Harvest season is not the season of Passover, and the grapes or the juice thereof would have been out of season, preserved but prone to fermentation. Jesus drank wine. His disciples drank wine. And the position of non-alcoholic wine is not agreed upon by the historic Christian consensus.
Hosea 4:11 (KJV) Whoredom and wine *_and new wine take away the heart._* Joel 1:5 (KJV) Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, *_because of the new wine;_* for it is cut off from your mouth. Acts 2:12-15 (KJV) And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? Others mocking said, *_These men are full of new wine._* But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: *_For these are not drunken, as ye suppose,_* seeing it is but the third hour of the day. The term "new wine" does not always refer to grape juice, it can also refer to fermented grape juice - _wine._ Also, take a look at John 2: John 2:7-11 (KJV) Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it. When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made *_wine,_* and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good *_wine;_* and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: *_but thou hast kept the good wine until now._* This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him. This is obviously not grape juice being described here. Notice that the term used in this passage is "wine", not "new wine". Fermented wine is an issue of liberty under the New Testament, *_so long as you are not given much to it, and are not getting drunk._* The teaching that it is a sin to drink wine is a rather stupid Baptist doctrine; it's not a Bible doctrine. But I understand why the Baptists teach that way, and I am very much aware of the dangers of wine (a couple of members of my family are alcoholics, very sad situation), and I myself will say that it is BETTER to totally abstain from strong drink (I myself abstain for the most part, I don't really even like wine anyway, I like kombucha); but the idea that the Bible commands total abstinence, or that Jesus never touched wine, or that drinking wine somehow defiles you, is just not true. See the following verses: Matthew 15:10-11 (KJV) And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: *_Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man;_* but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, *_or in drink,_* or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 1 Timothy 5:23 (KJV) Drink no longer water, *_but use a LITTLE wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities._* Be Biblically-minded in all things, and judge all things by the Scriptures, no matter how right and pious it might sound. Ezekiel 44:24 (KJV) And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.
Take note also of this: Luke 1:15 (KJV) For he [John the Baptist] shall be great in the sight of the Lord, *_and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;_* and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. Jesus Christ affirms that John the Baptist did not drink wine or strong drink: Luke 7:33-35 (KJV) For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. But then continuing with the passage, Jesus Christ says this: ...The Son of man is come eating *_and drinking;_* and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! But wisdom is justified of all her children. In context, "and drinking" is in reference to "wine" and "strong drink". Jesus Christ drank wine. But he of course did not sin by being given much to it, or getting drunk.
You cause the grass to grow for the livestock and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth and WINE TO GLADDEN THE HEART OF MAN, oil to make his face shine and bread to strengthen man’s heart. - Psalm 104:14-15
So a man is made glad by drinking fermented hooch? Is that what you think? Do you think that will work with The Lord Jesus Christ at the judgment seat, when He inquires about your justification of self indulgence?
The Pharisees called Christ a winebibber, which doesn’t indicate to me that he was drinking grape juice. It seems that the Bible does not speak against all wine drinking but instead it warns “those who tarry long at the wine”, i.e. those who drink in excess, to drunkenness.
The Pharisees liked slander Jesus. In the verse just before the one you quoted they said John had a Devil. Looks like they say a lot of things that aren't true.
When you are born again you know you are not to drink any alcohol because it is not good for your whole being! Why would you want to drink alcohol??? What for?? It’s very simple. If you want to explain your why, then drink it.
@LastCall777 Ok, unfortunately there are numerous other instances of the Bible qualifying “not to excess” when drinking wine, like in Proverbs 23, 1 Peter 4, and many others. Those are just off the top of my head. Do you have any more examples supporting your position? I’m interested.
Acts 2:13-15 when the people were questioning if the men were full of new wine and Peter responding that they men were not drunken would mean that new wine has alcohol
@@LastCall777I disagree. If that were the case, why say "wine" at all? Why not accuse them of being drunk on water? New wine is wine that has just finished fermentation. Old wine is wine that has been fermented for some time. The wine skins would burst due to the differing levels of fermentation. Wine by definition is a fermented beverage. Furthermore, in Matthew 11:19 the Bible says: 19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children. (KJV) Why would they call Jesus a drunkard or "winebibber" if it were impossible for him to get drunk off what he was drinking? The wine in the time of Jesus was not like the alcohol of today, but it was still fermented, and if a person drank it to excess, they could become drunk. Whether it was new wine or old wine.
@@bubbamac187 You can disagree all you want but the bible says new wine comes in the cluster (Isaiah 65:8), not fermented. And the verse you just quoted comes right after a verse where the same people that called Jesus a winebibber said John the baptist had a devil... soooo seems to me those people like to lie, and that's your alibi?
@@LastCall777 There is no personal alibi for me. Fermented wine also comes from a cluster of grapes. The word used for the wine that Jesus made from water, is the same word for and holding the same meaning as the wine in Ephesians 5:18 where it says: [18] And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; (KJV) The first verse I quoted obviously comes after a verse where Jesus was explaining that John did not drink wine and was still accused of being possessed with demons; whereas, Jesus DID drink wine, although not to excess, and was still accused of being a drunkard.
Brother Pete is correct in respect to Jesus. He didn’t drink wine with alcohol. But the Israelite people could drink strong drink. Deuteronomy 14:26 “And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,”
The context of Deuteronomy 14:26 is a special commandment for a special reason. “Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: and thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, and the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: and the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.” Deuteronomy 14:22-29 KJV The idea is that the lust is covered by something that the Levite has done.
Jesus clearly made alcoholic wine for the wedding. Drunkenness is a sin, being a drunkard is sinful. Simply drinking alcohol is not. If it was Paul would not have told us not to let anyone judge us for it but to have our liberty to ourselves if it puts an occasion for a brother to stumble. Clearly it was a stumbling block for Ruckman because he stated that he was a drunk before he was saved. This is a doctrine that I simply don't agree with Baptists about. Alcohol is very dangerous and ruins lives but they simply aren't being intellectually honest about what the Bible has to say about the subject.
@@JP-ec9rl I agree. I was an independent Baptist for 35 years, saw Brother Pete preach many, many times and love him dearly. Been to his church. But it’s a weird subject for Baptists and they make excuses that are not biblically sound on certain subjects, like alcohol. I don’t dislike them at all, I’ve got several friends and relatives that are Baptist. Obviously, Israelites drank wine and “made the heart merry”. Sampon and John the Baptist couldn’t drink wine, however others could.
Then all Baptist pastors in the South have been wrong for two-hundred years. Pastors vow in never drinking alcohol. They pass that on to the congregation in preaching (or at least they should). Strong drink always causes trouble, and there is nothing good that comes of it. It inebriates and opens you up for spiritual attack because you are not in 100% control of yourself. Yes, even one little sip allows your conscience to fade.
Yes sir they've been wrong. More like 150 years but yes they're wrong. And yes you are correct. Alcohol is bad for you, any amount. I don't drink anymore ( thanks to God) but none of that changes what the Bible clearly says. And doc was wrong on this one. Hate saying that I learned a whole bunch from Dr. Ruckman. If new wine was grape juice it wouldn't burst an old bottle. Of course it was grape juice until it started fermentation which can actually happen in the cluster. The babtist fell right in with a women's movement of abstaining from alcohol. And hey I'm a babtist but they're wrong
@@disconnecteddisconnected I have no problems believing Baptists have read the Bible wrong for 200 years. That's a pretty easy sell to all non-Baptists.
I'm going to make it simple for you. That was a very Intelligent way of using scripture To prove that Jesus never drank alcoholic wine. Let me tell you this There are 17 different words For word wine in the Bible In the Greek and Hebrew but the Bible only translates all of them into the word wine They range from pure grape juice at the bottom To hard liquor at the top, extremely intoxicating and 15 other variations in between. Simply look up the word in your concordance, and you'll see what Jesus was drinking, it's that simple. Your welcome.
thank you for this!! I was looking for it forever last week and gave up!
Proverbs 20:1 KJVS
[1] Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Wine IS a mocker, stay away.
It’s a tempted don’t even look at it too long.
Proverbs 23:29-32 KJVS
[29] Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? [30] They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. [31] Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. [32] At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
Yes we have liberty but oh to be filled with the words of the Lord!!!
I know that alcohol is wicked and shouldn’t even be looked at, but I have question: when Jesus turned water into wine, was that fermented? A Catholic friend has been giving me trouble on this and I don’t have an answer for it.
Habakkuk 2:15 KJV
[15] Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
If Jesus Christ's wine has any alcohol in it, and considering he made about 120 liters of the stuff, and if 1 person got drunk at the wedding, Jesus Christ would be a sinner. So if your Catholic friend agrees Jesus Christ is perfect, then the wine cannot be alcoholic
@@captainkrajick That makes sense. Thank you, brother!
@@captainkrajick Saying that Jesus Christ would be a sinner if someone got drunk from his wine is like saying Jesus Christ would be a sinner if the blind man to whom he restored sight lusted with his eyes afterward. That's guilt by association, and it's a weak argument.
@@AnthonyTuminello Can you not read the verse? I don't care what your opinion is, I care what the Word of God says
@@captainkrajickI guess YT removed my comment. I was saying:
Way to be honest and consider an argument.
The Scripture you posted is about DRUNKENESS being a sin, not about simply drinking wine being a sin. What you said afterwards is your OPINION as well. Notice the verse you posted:
Habakkuk 2:15
[15]Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, *_AND makest him drunken also,_* that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
Notice it says "and", not "or".
Please see my other comment where I use Scripture to prove that Jesus Christ both drank wine, and that new wine is not ALWAYS in reference to plain grape juice.
It’s funny, because I prayed about this morning and God answered it immediately with this video. But I do have a couple genuine questions, and let me promise you that I’m not being a “smarty pants” or anything when I ask. I just genuinely don’t know. Dr. Ruckman has been an amazing teacher to me and I love the man dearly.
This is what I don’t understand though.
In the gospels, when the Pharisees accuse our Lord of being a wine bibber and a glutton (obviously he’s not). Wouldn’t the wine have been alcoholic to a certain degree if it’s just what the publicans and sinners had laying around at the dinner table?
In Acts 2:13 “Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.””.
So what’s the deal that? I feel like maybe I’m missing a couple other verses where new wine could seem alcohol? What am I missing? I just don’t understand.
What does the wine mean in the context of Psalm 104:5 mean then?
I spent a lot of time as a home brewer so I understand the brew process really well. But I totally don’t think the wine and beer and whathave you in our Lord’s time is the same as it is now. Back then, the alcohol content had to have been much much lower.
If the Lord truly didn’t have any wine with alcohol, can a Christian consume it? I’ve been of the stance that drunkeness is a sin but one beer or something isn’t a sin. It’s what a man does with it that makes it sinful. Because I know the scriptures also read that nothing is a sin of itself, and I know the apostle Peter ate the pork although it was unclean at one point in time. However the Bible does have a lot of warning about drunkeness so it’s best to either be responsible or obtain completely.
I teetotaled for about 9 months, then had some beer. Then I had a night where I had gotten drunk. And now I really don’t mess with it anymore because I’m a person that can’t handle it. Also, I have a health condition that doesn’t allow me to have any whatsoever. Which, I have really never been a super big drinker to begin with it’s kind of a once in a while gig. Plus, I actively soul win with Chick Tracts and I want to live for Jesus. The Bible warns a lot about falling into sin and the temptations of alcohol, which is another reason I’ve honestly begun just staying away.
But here’s the deal, I’ve been telling people my stance (which I listed above) for a long time. I’m kind of right in the middle. And if I’m wrong, I want to know and I want to know why. So if anyone out there maybe knows something I don’t know… I’d really like to know so I can change that view. I’ve always kind of left it off for that person to decide. You know it’s kind of like you can’t say guns are sinful, but if a person uses a gun to shoot in a school or something obviously it’s sinful. And I know within church history and just history in general the water hasn’t been clean to drink. So I’m assuming they used beer and alcohol, I know Luther did. I know the pilgrims did.
So, if anyone would want to answer or post a comment that would be great. As always brethren, God Bless. (Once again totally not being a smarter pants, just being totally open and honest.)
Follow up question: Is Non-Alcoholic beer okay if alcohol is indeed not for a Christian to consume? I mean, it has a giant 0 on the side of the can and non alcoholic and it’s even called a “malt beverage” I think. So, just trying to get clarification on that too. Thanks!
The Bible condemns drunkenness as you have said not against having any alcohol. The qualifications for a bishop and deacon are not given to much wine not zero alcohol and Paul also tells Timothy he should have some for medicinal purposes. I personally stay away from alcohol because as a lost man I would get drunk and I know my flesh is weak. My advice to you is if it is a temptation for you then you need to abstain from it. 1Cor 10:23 is a verse to think upon.
@@lettherebelight9987thanks brother I appreciate it.
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@@LastCall777Thanks brother, I’m going to give this a watch. I appreciate you linking it for me!
@@melo2511 Few men of modern times knew the Scriptures like Brother Pete. He is missed.
JESUS CHRIST WAS GOD IN THE FLESH,………….HE WAS PERFECT,………..WE ARE NOT,………..CHRIST DIED FOR THE UNGODLY,………. AMEN TO THAT ❤
1. New Wine is indeed non-alcoholic.
2. No, the wine isn’t “new wine” at the Lords supper, and “Drink it new with you” is not referencing to the wine, but the action of drinking the wine. Cross reference to Lamentations 3:23.
3. “Fruit of the vine” is wine. Amos 9:14.
4. In order to have fresh grapes, they must have been able to have been harvested. Harvest season is not the season of Passover, and the grapes or the juice thereof would have been out of season, preserved but prone to fermentation.
Jesus drank wine. His disciples drank wine. And the position of non-alcoholic wine is not agreed upon by the historic Christian consensus.
Hosea 4:11 (KJV) Whoredom and wine *_and new wine take away the heart._*
Joel 1:5 (KJV) Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, *_because of the new wine;_* for it is cut off from your mouth.
Acts 2:12-15 (KJV) And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? Others mocking said, *_These men are full of new wine._* But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: *_For these are not drunken, as ye suppose,_* seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
The term "new wine" does not always refer to grape juice, it can also refer to fermented grape juice - _wine._ Also, take a look at John 2:
John 2:7-11 (KJV) Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it. When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made *_wine,_* and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good *_wine;_* and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: *_but thou hast kept the good wine until now._* This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
This is obviously not grape juice being described here. Notice that the term used in this passage is "wine", not "new wine".
Fermented wine is an issue of liberty under the New Testament, *_so long as you are not given much to it, and are not getting drunk._* The teaching that it is a sin to drink wine is a rather stupid Baptist doctrine; it's not a Bible doctrine. But I understand why the Baptists teach that way, and I am very much aware of the dangers of wine (a couple of members of my family are alcoholics, very sad situation), and I myself will say that it is BETTER to totally abstain from strong drink (I myself abstain for the most part, I don't really even like wine anyway, I like kombucha); but the idea that the Bible commands total abstinence, or that Jesus never touched wine, or that drinking wine somehow defiles you, is just not true. See the following verses:
Matthew 15:10-11 (KJV) And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: *_Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man;_* but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Colossians 2:16-17 (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, *_or in drink,_* or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
1 Timothy 5:23 (KJV) Drink no longer water, *_but use a LITTLE wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities._*
Be Biblically-minded in all things, and judge all things by the Scriptures, no matter how right and pious it might sound.
Ezekiel 44:24 (KJV) And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.
Take note also of this:
Luke 1:15 (KJV) For he [John the Baptist] shall be great in the sight of the Lord, *_and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;_* and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Jesus Christ affirms that John the Baptist did not drink wine or strong drink:
Luke 7:33-35 (KJV) For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
But then continuing with the passage, Jesus Christ says this:
...The Son of man is come eating *_and drinking;_* and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! But wisdom is justified of all her children.
In context, "and drinking" is in reference to "wine" and "strong drink".
Jesus Christ drank wine. But he of course did not sin by being given much to it, or getting drunk.
You cause the grass to grow for the livestock
and plants for man to cultivate,
that he may bring forth food from the earth
and WINE TO GLADDEN THE HEART OF MAN,
oil to make his face shine
and bread to strengthen man’s heart.
- Psalm 104:14-15
So a man is made glad by drinking fermented hooch? Is that what you think? Do you think that will work with The Lord Jesus Christ at the judgment seat, when He inquires about your justification of self indulgence?
Question. Did the vinegar, Jesus drank at the cross, not contain alcohol?
The Pharisees called Christ a winebibber, which doesn’t indicate to me that he was drinking grape juice. It seems that the Bible does not speak against all wine drinking but instead it warns “those who tarry long at the wine”, i.e. those who drink in excess, to drunkenness.
The Pharisees liked slander Jesus. In the verse just before the one you quoted they said John had a Devil. Looks like they say a lot of things that aren't true.
When you are born again you know you are not to drink any alcohol because it is not good for your whole being! Why would you want to drink alcohol??? What for?? It’s very simple. If you want to explain your why, then drink it.
@@Mmmmm173 We know that a small amount of alcohol is good for you. What do you do with that?
@LastCall777 Ok, unfortunately there are numerous other instances of the Bible qualifying “not to excess” when drinking wine, like in Proverbs 23, 1 Peter 4, and many others. Those are just off the top of my head. Do you have any more examples supporting your position? I’m interested.
Acts 2:13-15 when the people were questioning if the men were full of new wine and Peter responding that they men were not drunken would mean that new wine has alcohol
No, it would mean that they were mocking them for being drunk on something that couldn't get them drunk.
@@LastCall777I disagree. If that were the case, why say "wine" at all?
Why not accuse them of being drunk on water?
New wine is wine that has just finished fermentation.
Old wine is wine that has been fermented for some time.
The wine skins would burst due to the differing levels of fermentation.
Wine by definition is a fermented beverage.
Furthermore, in Matthew 11:19 the Bible says:
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children. (KJV)
Why would they call Jesus a drunkard or "winebibber" if it were impossible for him to get drunk off what he was drinking?
The wine in the time of Jesus was not like the alcohol of today, but it was still fermented, and if a person drank it to excess, they could become drunk.
Whether it was new wine or old wine.
@@bubbamac187 You can disagree all you want but the bible says new wine comes in the cluster (Isaiah 65:8), not fermented. And the verse you just quoted comes right after a verse where the same people that called Jesus a winebibber said John the baptist had a devil... soooo seems to me those people like to lie, and that's your alibi?
@@LastCall777 There is no personal alibi for me. Fermented wine also comes from a cluster of grapes. The word used for the wine that Jesus made from water, is the same word for and holding the same meaning as the wine in Ephesians 5:18 where it says:
[18] And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; (KJV)
The first verse I quoted obviously comes after a verse where Jesus was explaining that John did not drink wine and was still accused of being possessed with demons; whereas, Jesus DID drink wine, although not to excess, and was still accused of being a drunkard.
Amen
Brother Pete is correct in respect to Jesus. He didn’t drink wine with alcohol. But the Israelite people could drink strong drink.
Deuteronomy 14:26 “And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,”
The context of Deuteronomy 14:26 is a special commandment for a special reason.
“Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: and thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, and the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: and the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.”
Deuteronomy 14:22-29 KJV
The idea is that the lust is covered by something that the Levite has done.
Jesus clearly made alcoholic wine for the wedding.
Drunkenness is a sin, being a drunkard is sinful. Simply drinking alcohol is not.
If it was Paul would not have told us not to let anyone judge us for it but to have our liberty to ourselves if it puts an occasion for a brother to stumble.
Clearly it was a stumbling block for Ruckman because he stated that he was a drunk before he was saved.
This is a doctrine that I simply don't agree with Baptists about.
Alcohol is very dangerous and ruins lives but they simply aren't being intellectually honest about what the Bible has to say about the subject.
@@JP-ec9rl I agree. I was an independent Baptist for 35 years, saw Brother Pete preach many, many times and love him dearly. Been to his church. But it’s a weird subject for Baptists and they make excuses that are not biblically sound on certain subjects, like alcohol. I don’t dislike them at all, I’ve got several friends and relatives that are Baptist. Obviously, Israelites drank wine and “made the heart merry”. Sampon and John the Baptist couldn’t drink wine, however others could.
@@privatepilot4064 I 100% agree with 99% things that Ruckman believed, just not that issue and a few others.
@@JP-ec9rl 👍 It’s the Baptist line. I feel the same way.
Jesus Christ never drank Fermented Anything !
Don't think Christ drunk wine either. But wine is wine. The Book is always 100% correct. Doc was way off on wine.
Then all Baptist pastors in the South have been wrong for two-hundred years. Pastors vow in never drinking alcohol. They pass that on to the congregation in preaching (or at least they should). Strong drink always causes trouble, and there is nothing good that comes of it. It inebriates and opens you up for spiritual attack because you are not in 100% control of yourself. Yes, even one little sip allows your conscience to fade.
Yes sir they've been wrong. More like 150 years but yes they're wrong. And yes you are correct. Alcohol is bad for you, any amount. I don't drink anymore ( thanks to God) but none of that changes what the Bible clearly says. And doc was wrong on this one. Hate saying that I learned a whole bunch from Dr. Ruckman. If new wine was grape juice it wouldn't burst an old bottle. Of course it was grape juice until it started fermentation which can actually happen in the cluster. The babtist fell right in with a women's movement of abstaining from alcohol. And hey I'm a babtist but they're wrong
@@disconnecteddisconnected I have no problems believing Baptists have read the Bible wrong for 200 years. That's a pretty easy sell to all non-Baptists.
I'm going to make it simple for you. That was a very Intelligent way of using scripture To prove that Jesus never drank alcoholic wine. Let me tell you this There are 17 different words For word wine in the Bible In the Greek and Hebrew but the Bible only translates all of them into the word wine They range from pure grape juice at the bottom To hard liquor at the top, extremely intoxicating and 15 other variations in between. Simply look up the word in your concordance, and you'll see what Jesus was drinking, it's that simple.
Your welcome.