Awesome flight. It really demonstrates how easy it is to tune INAV in just 2 flights for fantastic acro performance! And although the XL is a fantastic cruiser, the AR Pro will give you more range nevertheless as it is faster at the same power consumption.
iNav 4.0 is amazing, the plane was quite well trimmed to start with which was just luck I guess but 10 mins in the air with Autotrim and Autotune and it flies really well. I didnt even bother making anymore adjustments after Autotune although I may up the roll rates slightly. Never considered the speed/amps range aspect of the AR Pro over the Dart XLE maybe an LION AR Pro will help me reach my 25K target.
It was like decent weather for one afternoon and now we are back to 25-35mph winds and rain again. I must say I am wholly impressed with how well the wing flew on the stock settings and I have only made very small changes to the PIDs after Autotune and upped my pitch &roll rates a little bit. That said it flew really well on completely stock settings. iNav 4.0 the best so far imo.
@@bluefish3607 I know, just finished a dart 250 build so desperate to get out. Got a day off work Friday but weather isnt looking like it’s in my side 😬😬😬
@@dronehub4984 Thats one of the hazards of living near the North Sea, no wonder there are so many bloody wind turbines :-) Good luck with the 250G I only ever fly mine when the air is calm as they geat chucked all over the place in any amount of wind.
Glenn, yet again there was delight on my face when I saw your upload pop up. Fantastic flying again. I'm interested in how you made the wing supports for the XL. It really does have a weak point there. Did you just literally mould them in while still warm? Cheers. Mick
Hi Mick they are 0.5mm thick not 1.5 as I mistakenly said in the video. At this thickness they are very flexible so I used superglue and stuck the rough side down and held it firmly in the curve for a few minutes till my thumbs ached. I have snt you the STL via Facebook Messanger.
Those wing supports are a good idea! I may do this to mine as like yoh say i dont like how flimsy the winglets are, been watching through some of your old videos mate you have some fantastic crashes :) glad you've got all your modelssorted now and everythings up and flying correct :) 👌
I view those crashes as all part of the learning curve :-) Here is the link to the wing reinforcement plates. drive.google.com/file/d/1a5Rd_PspZGicSQa__kmSdfkf0YWsGidU/view?usp=sharing
I loved that vertical launch! Mind sharing your autolaunch settings? Mine is finicky and every once in a while, will get a real bad torque roll on launch probably due to a poor toss. Great to see you ripping an AR Pro again!
It seems to go straight up when I do overhead, I tried the side arm throw (Hoff Launch) and it had a little torque roll but my throw was bad. Here are my settings: nav_fw_launch_thr = 1850 nav_fw_launch_idle_thr = 1200 nav_fw_launch_velocity = 300 nav_fw_launch_accel = 1863 nav_fw_launch_max_angle = 180 nav_fw_launch_detect_time = 40 nav_fw_launch_idle_motor_delay = 0 nav_fw_launch_motor_delay = 100 nav_fw_launch_spinup_time = 300 nav_fw_launch_end_time = 3000 nav_fw_launch_min_time = 2000 nav_fw_launch_timeout = 10000 nav_fw_launch_max_altitude = 6000 nav_fw_launch_climb_angle = 30
@@bluefish3607 My toss is always bad when I do the side arm throw. From a psychological perspective, I think the overhand throw is less traumatic. If something goes wrong, by the time you get turned around the crash has probably already happened. With the the side arm throw, if something goes wrong, you get the trauma (in slow motion ) of watching it roll too far to one side and trying to get on the controls and think you are going to save it only to have it hit the ground and some some cartwheels LOL
@@BryonGaskin I know exactly what you mean Bryon I have had a few of those horric slow-mo disaster launches. I launch Dhe Dart XL by grasping the front of the fuse and just guiding the wing into the air, but I find grasping the AR pro awkward. I guess if it works keep doing it so overhead for the AR pro it is :-)
@@BryonGaskin Byron, at last I've now realised that im not mad and that there are others out there who undergo the same trauma as me... thanks for confirming that im not the only one with launch problems, especially with the Dart XLe.
I have an FPV proposal. There is nothing more cool than landing FPV. It heightens the experience because things are happening, and the ground is coming up, and it is total immersive experience. Here is the proposal: FPV landing with PAPI lights that shoots the landing decent approach. PAPI lights would give you the proper glide descent angle. I have not yet seen any youtubers make a PAPI light FPV landing approach video. I just think that would be so neat. ===== I personally have not flown rc in 20 years, but I am looking at the turbo timber with its flaps and slats and I want to do FPV touch and go.By the way, PAPI lights are not hard to make. It doesn’t even have to be a ‘light’ It can just be visible white and red paint that is half covered (ie the red is covered up at a certain visual angle and the white at another angle). PAPI lights. ===== So, what do you think? Would you ever consider a PAPI light landing FPV video? Thx.
Hi thats an intersting idea and maybe its something I should consider as my landings can be pretty ropey. I got an FMS Super Cub last summer to practice learning to fly LOS and am really looking forward to getting it out again when the weather improves, I think it is similar to the Turbo Timber www.fmsmodel.com/product/fms-1700mm-67-piper-pa-18-super-cub-pnp/12/
Fantastic flight. It's so satisfying to have such a great flight coming out of a frustrating spell. Half roll to inverted to an outside loop to a full roll on the way back down? Check. What top speeds are you seeing on the 2216? I just swapped my Master Airscrew 8x6 to the APC 8x6 you have and am wondering if I'll gain any top-end speed (haven't flown it yet).
Thanks Jacob, I really enjoyed the flight although a bit rusty after so long but very enjoyable after the disappointing crash. Shame I had an issue with the Blackbox so i could not add the dashware OSD, trying to fix that for the next flight. I was getting around 90 mph or so flat out and level, but too be honest I had so much fun just messing around and enjoying flying that I did not do any sort of review of the new setup or monitor the speed very closely. I will do that on the next flight and see how it compares to the Brotherhobby 2318 1250KV and 9x5 prop. It definitely felt faster with better climb rate and more power in the banked turns. Can't wait to get out again and am watching the weather almost hourly :-)
Great video, I,m still getting to grips with my ARPro, now on iNav 6.1.Have you got any links that describe the process of autotrim then land and adjust to level at 1500 in iNav?
Love the flying just not the durablity of the wing(lol I have one), I much prefer a laminated nicely sparred wing for low proximity flying. That way you are not scouring the landscape for a ll your gear! Side note would you share the music credit for the song?
Here you go, I suggest you practice how you are going to mount it and hold it in place while the glue dries as it is quite springy. I used fast drying superglue and spread a few lines of glue across the rough side of the 3D printed plate then pressed it into place and held it tight with my thumbs until it had bonded. Now its solid. drive.google.com/file/d/1a5Rd_PspZGicSQa__kmSdfkf0YWsGidU/view?usp=sharing
The raw footage is the same flight path and manouveres but just not as smooth as the wing gets buffeted by the wind. Any AR Pro is going to have some vibration in anything but very calm conditions, but I think the point is that the raw HD footage is not representive of what I am seeing in real time when flying the plane. What I see is pretty smooth and more like the stabilised footage than the raw HD footage. So in my opinion viewers get a better experience all round with the smoothed footage as it is more representitive of my real flying experience, and besides that is much more interesting than jittery footage and allows the viewer to appreciate the scenary and the flying itself. But of course if you are interested in seeing what the raw HD footage or DVR looks like I can happily upload some and send you the link, I am not trying to misrepresent anything I am totally open about using Reelsteady Go and explained this to every viewer that asks. I will in fact from now start adding that fact to the video description so there can be no future confusion as to why I do that in future.
@@EnglishTurbines I usually show DVR when flying analogue, I take your point and will add some raw DVR into future videos. But anyone who gets into wings and flys FPV wont have the same experience as raw HD footage and thats what is most important in my view and should be with anyone who flys these types of craft. When flying in the goggles the experience is amazing especially when flying DJI and thats the best part for me personally, I am trying to show that experience in a realastic way.
@@EnglishTurbines I know what I see maybe you should try it sometime so you can make comments based on actual experience. If anyone doesn’t like the content I produce they of course dont have to watch it. This is just fun and entertainment after-all thats why movies use CGI to enhance the experience for the viewer.
Yes Reelsteady Go stabilisation with a GoPro Hero 6 on 1.6 firmware. Looking forward to flying there again from the grassy part as landings were tricky where i was standing.
Explain to me why you land after autotrim and mechanically adjust to 1500 in inav. My understanding is inav points after this is normal to be at 1550 and 1450 more or less is normal due to torque roll.
I always like to have mechanical trim centred as close to 1500 as possible in inav to give me maximum and equal elevon resolution. It just feels much more balanced and also helps in manual mode. Just something I have done for quite a while, the result might just be pschological for all I know :-)
Awesome flight. It really demonstrates how easy it is to tune INAV in just 2 flights for fantastic acro performance!
And although the XL is a fantastic cruiser, the AR Pro will give you more range nevertheless as it is faster at the same power consumption.
iNav 4.0 is amazing, the plane was quite well trimmed to start with which was just luck I guess but 10 mins in the air with Autotrim and Autotune and it flies really well. I didnt even bother making anymore adjustments after Autotune although I may up the roll rates slightly.
Never considered the speed/amps range aspect of the AR Pro over the Dart XLE maybe an LION AR Pro will help me reach my 25K target.
Great to see the Pro back in the air again, great footage, keep the video's coming. 👍
Looks like the perfect weather for a redemption maiden! You've convinced me to give 4.1 a try on my yet to be completed AR Wing 900
It was like decent weather for one afternoon and now we are back to 25-35mph winds and rain again.
I must say I am wholly impressed with how well the wing flew on the stock settings and I have only made very small changes to the PIDs after Autotune and upped my pitch &roll rates a little bit. That said it flew really well on completely stock settings. iNav 4.0 the best so far imo.
Da gusto que las cosas salgan bien, buen vídeo, buenas imágenes y bien piloto!
Gracias, realmente amo el AR Pro y hare todo lo posible para evitar chocar con los arboles esta vez 🌲😀
@@bluefish3607 ya veo que ahora tienes 3, lo tuyo es vicio serio! 😋😋😋, Igual voy a tener que comprar uno!
Awesome flight, nice to see you back in the air!!
Cheers, hopefully can get a few more flights in as we move towards spring and the weather improves.
@@bluefish3607 I know, just finished a dart 250 build so desperate to get out. Got a day off work Friday but weather isnt looking like it’s in my side 😬😬😬
@@dronehub4984 Thats one of the hazards of living near the North Sea, no wonder there are so many bloody wind turbines :-)
Good luck with the 250G I only ever fly mine when the air is calm as they geat chucked all over the place in any amount of wind.
Glenn, yet again there was delight on my face when I saw your upload pop up. Fantastic flying again. I'm interested in how you made the wing supports for the XL. It really does have a weak point there. Did you just literally mould them in while still warm? Cheers. Mick
Hi Mick they are 0.5mm thick not 1.5 as I mistakenly said in the video. At this thickness they are very flexible so I used superglue and stuck the rough side down and held it firmly in the curve for a few minutes till my thumbs ached. I have snt you the STL via Facebook Messanger.
@@bluefish3607 spot on Glenn. Just seen your message on messenger. Thanks mate
Those wing supports are a good idea! I may do this to mine as like yoh say i dont like how flimsy the winglets are, been watching through some of your old videos mate you have some fantastic crashes :) glad you've got all your modelssorted now and everythings up and flying correct :) 👌
I view those crashes as all part of the learning curve :-) Here is the link to the wing reinforcement plates. drive.google.com/file/d/1a5Rd_PspZGicSQa__kmSdfkf0YWsGidU/view?usp=sharing
nice job buddy, glad your back in the skies ..
Cheers John, I enjoyed that and hope we get some decent weather soon.
Pretty damn smoooooth ! Nice
Yes I enjoyed that and looking forward to flying there again.
I click the like button within the first few seconds, is that wrong 😁 You make nice videos ;-)
Thanks! 😃glad you enjoy them as much as i enjoy making them.
Nice to see it back in the air. I've just repaired mine after a (minor) crash, just waiting for some good weather to take it for a spin!
We had a few hours without wind and rain so I took the opportunity to get out, weather sucks here this time of year.
Nice turn of speed.
Shame I could not get the Dashware OSD to work on this flight, I touched 95 mph at times.
Nice Fly😁
Yes it was and no crashes :-)
I loved that vertical launch! Mind sharing your autolaunch settings? Mine is finicky and every once in a while, will get a real bad torque roll on launch probably due to a poor toss. Great to see you ripping an AR Pro again!
It seems to go straight up when I do overhead, I tried the side arm throw (Hoff Launch) and it had a little torque roll but my throw was bad. Here are my settings:
nav_fw_launch_thr = 1850
nav_fw_launch_idle_thr = 1200
nav_fw_launch_velocity = 300
nav_fw_launch_accel = 1863
nav_fw_launch_max_angle = 180
nav_fw_launch_detect_time = 40
nav_fw_launch_idle_motor_delay = 0
nav_fw_launch_motor_delay = 100
nav_fw_launch_spinup_time = 300
nav_fw_launch_end_time = 3000
nav_fw_launch_min_time = 2000
nav_fw_launch_timeout = 10000
nav_fw_launch_max_altitude = 6000
nav_fw_launch_climb_angle = 30
@@bluefish3607 My toss is always bad when I do the side arm throw. From a psychological perspective, I think the overhand throw is less traumatic. If something goes wrong, by the time you get turned around the crash has probably already happened. With the the side arm throw, if something goes wrong, you get the trauma (in slow motion ) of watching it roll too far to one side and trying to get on the controls and think you are going to save it only to have it hit the ground and some some cartwheels LOL
@@BryonGaskin I know exactly what you mean Bryon I have had a few of those horric slow-mo disaster launches.
I launch Dhe Dart XL by grasping the front of the fuse and just guiding the wing into the air, but I find grasping the AR pro awkward. I guess if it works keep doing it so overhead for the AR pro it is :-)
@@BryonGaskin Byron, at last I've now realised that im not mad and that there are others out there who undergo the same trauma as me... thanks for confirming that im not the only one with launch problems, especially with the Dart XLe.
Nice auto launch straight up pity that was not in the picture anymore.
I am planning to film some of my future launches from my DJI Mini 2 that will be hovering above me.
Brilliant stuff! Great flight! Is this dji HD footage from the air unit recording or footage from a secondary HD/ action camera? Cheers mate!
Reelsteady Go stabilisation with a GoPro Hero 6 on 1.6 firmware
@@bluefish3607Cool. Thanks
I have an FPV proposal. There is nothing more cool than landing FPV. It heightens the experience because things are happening, and the ground is coming up, and it is total immersive experience. Here is the proposal: FPV landing with PAPI lights that shoots the landing decent approach. PAPI lights would give you the proper glide descent angle. I have not yet seen any youtubers make a PAPI light FPV landing approach video. I just think that would be so neat.
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I personally have not flown rc in 20 years, but I am looking at the turbo timber with its flaps and slats and I want to do FPV touch and go.By the way, PAPI lights are not hard to make. It doesn’t even have to be a ‘light’ It can just be visible white and red paint that is half covered (ie the red is covered up at a certain visual angle and the white at another angle). PAPI lights.
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So, what do you think? Would you ever consider a PAPI light landing FPV video? Thx.
Hi thats an intersting idea and maybe its something I should consider as my landings can be pretty ropey. I got an FMS Super Cub last summer to practice learning to fly LOS and am really looking forward to getting it out again when the weather improves, I think it is similar to the Turbo Timber www.fmsmodel.com/product/fms-1700mm-67-piper-pa-18-super-cub-pnp/12/
cool
Fantastic flight. It's so satisfying to have such a great flight coming out of a frustrating spell. Half roll to inverted to an outside loop to a full roll on the way back down? Check.
What top speeds are you seeing on the 2216? I just swapped my Master Airscrew 8x6 to the APC 8x6 you have and am wondering if I'll gain any top-end speed (haven't flown it yet).
Thanks Jacob, I really enjoyed the flight although a bit rusty after so long but very enjoyable after the disappointing crash.
Shame I had an issue with the Blackbox so i could not add the dashware OSD, trying to fix that for the next flight. I was getting around 90 mph or so flat out and level, but too be honest I had so much fun just messing around and enjoying flying that I did not do any sort of review of the new setup or monitor the speed very closely. I will do that on the next flight and see how it compares to the Brotherhobby 2318 1250KV and 9x5 prop. It definitely felt faster with better climb rate and more power in the banked turns.
Can't wait to get out again and am watching the weather almost hourly :-)
Great video, I,m still getting to grips with my ARPro, now on iNav 6.1.Have you got any links that describe the process of autotrim then land and adjust to level at 1500 in iNav?
Love the flying just not the durablity of the wing(lol I have one), I much prefer a laminated nicely sparred wing for low proximity flying. That way you are not scouring the landscape for a ll your gear! Side note would you share the music credit for the song?
yerh I get you, they dont like trees or unscheduled hard landings for sure :-) Song: Fly Away by Magnetic Clouds on artlist.io
Can you please share a link to those wing supports 3d parts for the dart xl nice idea! 😀
Here you go, I suggest you practice how you are going to mount it and hold it in place while the glue dries as it is quite springy. I used fast drying superglue and spread a few lines of glue across the rough side of the 3D printed plate then pressed it into place and held it tight with my thumbs until it had bonded. Now its solid.
drive.google.com/file/d/1a5Rd_PspZGicSQa__kmSdfkf0YWsGidU/view?usp=sharing
Some live feed would have been nice. That smoothed out HD doesn't tell the real story...🤔😳🇬🇧
The raw footage is the same flight path and manouveres but just not as smooth as the wing gets buffeted by the wind.
Any AR Pro is going to have some vibration in anything but very calm conditions, but I think the point is that the raw HD footage is not representive of what I am seeing in real time when flying the plane. What I see is pretty smooth and more like the stabilised footage than the raw HD footage.
So in my opinion viewers get a better experience all round with the smoothed footage as it is more representitive of my real flying experience, and besides that is much more interesting than jittery footage and allows the viewer to appreciate the scenary and the flying itself.
But of course if you are interested in seeing what the raw HD footage or DVR looks like I can happily upload some and send you the link, I am not trying to misrepresent anything I am totally open about using Reelsteady Go and explained this to every viewer that asks. I will in fact from now start adding that fact to the video description so there can be no future confusion as to why I do that in future.
@@bluefish3607 No, it's just that the real FPV fans would want to see both.(P in P). You're also misleading the amateur FPV fans...🤔😳
@@EnglishTurbines I usually show DVR when flying analogue, I take your point and will add some raw DVR into future videos. But anyone who gets into wings and flys FPV wont have the same experience as raw HD footage and thats what is most important in my view and should be with anyone who flys these types of craft. When flying in the goggles the experience is amazing especially when flying DJI and thats the best part for me personally, I am trying to show that experience in a realastic way.
@@bluefish3607 You're not showing what you see as you fly though. Your showing sterile smoothed up footage instead...🤔😳
@@EnglishTurbines I know what I see maybe you should try it sometime so you can make comments based on actual experience. If anyone doesn’t like the content I produce they of course dont have to watch it. This is just fun and entertainment after-all thats why movies use CGI to enhance the experience for the viewer.
looks like you've found a great spot there. Is that reelsteadygo stabilisation? at least you didn't crash into a tree this time, always a bonus 🤣
Yes Reelsteady Go stabilisation with a GoPro Hero 6 on 1.6 firmware. Looking forward to flying there again from the grassy part as landings were tricky where i was standing.
Explain to me why you land after autotrim and mechanically adjust to 1500 in inav. My understanding is inav points after this is normal to be at 1550 and 1450 more or less is normal due to torque roll.
I always like to have mechanical trim centred as close to 1500 as possible in inav to give me maximum and equal elevon resolution. It just feels much more balanced and also helps in manual mode. Just something I have done for quite a while, the result might just be pschological for all I know :-)
How many Milliamp Hours did you use for the 4s battery that you used sir?
5000mah
@@bluefish3607 thank you for the reply sir
@@bluefish3607 maraming salamat po
I personally like the original AR way better.
The AR 900 was my first wing love and always will be and I am planning to rebuild mine and fly it again this summer.