yeah actually mina really was a big kpop fan before. there are screenshots of her old twitter account where she was using hangul and wrote her name as 민아
*the foreign line actually said that they think korean like the other members and sometimes dream korean, and when they're talking to their relatives they start to talk korean all of a sudden*
That's not surprising ; I'm a native French speaker who can speak English fluently, and I do think and dream in English a lot of the time. Sometimes when I speak with my family I have trouble with some words because I want to say something in French but I can only remember the English word for it. And I don't even live in an English-speaking country, so I guess for the Twice foreign line who have lived in Korea for years it'd be the case even more
Its not surprising, I've been using English a lot in my daily life for years now and I think in both my native language and English now, now that I moved to a different country, I notice that some words only come out in the language of this country, some only in my native language, but most things I can put into words in English, however some words I do still need to "translate" in my head!
when j-line arrived in korea, members said that mina was the fastest to pick up the language since she trained the shortest among all of them (1 year). they also mentioned multiple times from debut until now that mina is the smartest and is the most quick-witted. however i think sana improved rapidly and surpassed mina overtime due to her outgoing, extroverted and outspoken nature. sana is like the most extroverted member and mina is the most introverted member.
This is an interesting idea. Granted, as someone who doesn’t have a firm grasp on all of the things needed to critique it (I’m talking about me), this thought process makes a lot of sense when I think about it. Sana probably spends much more time out and conversing out loud with other people in Korean than Mina does due to her personality. I never really thought about it like that.
@@yomama1717 Nope Nayeon is introverted. She’s just not shy. Just because someone is shy does not mean they are introverted. There are people who are extroverted yet shy too. It’s more of whether you are more energetic with other people or alone.
@@heavenlysunoo that's what we see on camera, Nayeon has said she's introvert and kinda quiet when she's not with Twice members. Well maybe not quite (hard to think of Nayeon like that lol) but shy to approach people
For the Taiwanese, the "ng" sounds are often less audible and morphed into an in between "n" and "ng" sound, this is perhaps why tzuyu makes this mistake. Hearing korean with small hints of their native tongue is definitely unique and adds character. It's almost like hearing a french person speaking American english, quite interesting to listen to. Now here is some unsolicited critique I'd like to offer for your korean. In order to reach native levels, an American needs to talk with a different tone when speaking an Asian language. It's hard to describe, but Asian languages are spoken with a ton of indecision and a lot of pauses and gaps and run-ons. English speakers definitely tend to gravitate towards putting everything they try to say in one perfect sentence, but this is quite awkward sounding in something like everyday Chinese. Best way to describe this is to sound more "stuttery" with a lot of "eh", "hmm", "ah", "mmm" in between sentences. This may seem counterintuitive, but this is definitely one of the subtle reasons foreigners will sound foreign with Asian languages.
I think Taiwanese mandarin speakers make the distinction between n and ng less obvious because in Taiwanese Hokkien the n or ng sounds can change depending on where it is in the sentence. For example lín (you) can be pronounced lín or líng depending on if it’s pronounced using the front or the back of your mouth. And I think this is what is influencing Taiwanese mandarin and thus her Korean (regardless if she speaks Hokkien or not). For example in 행동 the ㅇ is before a ㄷ which is pronounced on this alveolar ridge which is where ㄴ is pronounced and so using Taiwanese Hokkien traits it would probably be pronounced 핸동. And this trait makes Taiwanese mandarin the way it is eg míngzì can be pronounced mínzì because z is pronounced on your alveolar ridge like n is and not as the back of your mouth like ng is. But just my observations lol
Yeah I was about to say--this is a common situation with Mandarin speakers from Southern China in general just due to how the pronunciation of southern dialects has influenced the way many southerners speak Mandarin (e.g. mixing up "n" and "ng" sound).
I'd like to see a (G)I-DLE version of this video. Half of the members are foreigners, it'd be interesting to watch, especially Shuhua's Korean! She was not confident with it, but she's better now! Btw Minnie's Thai Yuqi's Chinese And Shuhua's Taiwanese
@@dariusjack7137 well i think you just being lazy 😂, I stan Kpop this year so it's not even 1 year but I can read Korean and understand some of the word
@@gagahsyuja6931 just because others doesn't have the desire to learn another language means that they're lazy. If you can read korean then congrats, so what's your point?
I'm pretty sure that the Japanese girls all speak to each other in Japanese when they are alone, but use Korean when they are in a group or on camera, so that the audience can understand even if it's just them together. Tzuyu however doesn't have any Chinese speakers in the group, but when she speaks to other Chinese people in Korea, She often uses Mandarin
the girls mentioned that even when theyre alone they dont speak in complete japanese, like a mix of korean and japanese (also the 3 girls dont speak standard japanese but kansai dialect)
@@safi135 Yeah, that happens a lot with people that move to country with a different language. I'm not a native English speaker, but even when I'm talking with just my family, some English slips in.
Tzuyu name sounds like chewie as in the nick name for chewbacca. The twice members made that connection but they think she is more like yoda than chewbacca because she is sensible and she always has wise words so they call her yoda instead.
its more likely bcs shes a brainy gamer. everyone in twice says she's the smartest and most quick-witted. mina is full of talent and intelligence but ppl dont rly notice it due to her very introverted nature
just want to point out, please do not equate social anxiety with being an introvert(I’m saying this because you put a slash, it made me think you are equating the two terms as synonyms). Also, I do agree with what you said, I think being introverted helps, but the other members are introverted too, excluding Sana. Mina is really smart probably because she games a lot since young and it helped her to think and process language differently.
Thank you so much for making this video, it’s so good to see Mina’s Korean speaking skills being analysed! I always find that Mina always think out of the box and that may be why she picks up Korean easily! While Mina is smart I also want to say because Japanese grammar and vocal have similarities with Korean, that may also be why Mina is able to pick up the language easily. If a Japanese speaker were to learn Korean language and vice versa, it would be easier to grasp compared to a Mandarin speaker learning Japanese or Korean. 시간(si-gan) and 時間(ji-kan) are pronounced similar in both languages.
I love how in this video and the one with Momo and Sana, you point out what they do well as well as mistakes, but also explain the reality that the mistakes they do make are so small they don't much matter! You give context to all of this which is really good for people like me who have no background to the context of the korean language and how native speakers would interpret this, so thank you so much for these videos! P.S. I agree with all the comments, we need G(IDLE)'s Minnie, Yuqi and Shuhua next!!
Thank you for taking the time to do such a great video, I was especially curious about Tzuyu’s korean as I’ve heard it’s a bit harder for native mandarin speakers.
Things that are hard: finding serious clips of twice Also thanks dude keep up this series its funny and informative and joins it in with what gave a lot of people an interest in korean culture(kpop), while also using kpop to learn korean in a respectful way(unfortunately a lot of people think korea is just kpop)
Billy, thank you so much! I rely on listening to my favorite idols to help with my listening skills and I love learning about non-native accents and quirks from their mother tongue. please never stop making these! I'd love to see you talk about groups like g-idle!
Maybe you could do a video on IZ*ONE's Japanese members yet, they've been in Korea for only 2 years but they seem to know it decently - especially Sakura
I second this! It's going to be interesting to see comparisons of IZ*ONE Jline's Korean from debut (late 2018) to now (2020). Personally their growth in Korean speaking is quite astonishing considering the Jline didn't really start learning korean until early 2018 when pd48 started
This is a huge one to me, especially since their time is slowly approaching, unfortunately. We've actually seen them go from zero Korean experience to their current state, so the amount of, and quality of, analysis could be crazy. A start to end, however gutting that sounds, would make a lot of sense.
@@cherrydrop9922 to me nako still sounds japanese even if she’s speaking in korean😭 what i’m trying to say she always seemed to keep her japanese intonation.
renjun has been speaking korean for a majority of his life (to some degree) it's not fair to pit him against the other members who didn't grow up around korean language and culture
@@andi01452 But I think Mark and Johnny should be included 'cuz they definitely have slight American accent in Korean especially Mark haha. And to say about Renjun, what you've heard are true but Renjun's korean back then was probably not same as now. Because the Korean-Chinese region that you mentioned has the specific accent in Korean but now Renjun has none of it now so I guess he practiced alot. Sorry for my English tho
I love these kind of videos! Could you maybe grade some of NCT members' Korean? They have 23 members and pretty much half of them are foreigners. Of course, it would take too long to grade every single one but maybe you could do a video on Renjun(Chinese member, grew up speaking Korean as well), Johnny or Mark(American members), Yuta(Japanese member) and Ten(from Thailand). Or you could just look them up and choose someone yourself. It's fine if you don't, this is just a suggestion :)
Tzuyu's accent is very Taiwanese. Different from China's Mandarin, Taiwanese people don't pronounce every word clearly. So like eng and en, zh ch sh and so on. I guess it is because of the influence of Taiwanese and Japanese. ㅇ and ㄴ are also hard for me.
@@aldrinalipio9808 I'm not from Taiwan, but I think they use Mandarin, Hokkien, Teochew, among others. They all fall under "Chinese languages" but are mutually intelligible. I read somewhere that Tzuyu can speak both Mandarin and a Taiwanese language but I haven't seen the clip myself.
@@aldrinalipio9808 I myself speak Mandrian in school, Taiwaness with my father, but my mother tongue is Hakka. Yes, they are quite similar, but it is also imposible to understand each other language without learning it.
@@mapotofu1841 yeah no. Mandarin and Hokkien are completely unintelligible. Major branches (Guan, Yue, Min, Wu, etc) are not intelligible between each other, and within a branch it's at best limited intelligibility. Hokkien might be somewhat similar to Teochew (they're both Southern Min), but Min is itself furthest from every other branch.
Loved this, and I totally understand Tzuyu's 겨드랑이 misinterpretation, for I thought for over a decade that "blood" in Japanese was "chiga" instead of just "chi." Just like in Korean, the subject marker is "ga" (血が出ている "chi ga deteiru" "(one) is bleeding", 피가 나온다) and in the case of blood, is almost always followed by it, hence "chiga." Additionally, just like in Korean, the markers are often omitted, so in the case of "chi ga deteiru," one may have thought that the ga was omitted, and the original sentence would have been "chiga ga deteiru." To even further complicate things, in the case of blood, a lot of times you're just shocked by the sight of it, so you can cut off the sentence midspeech and just exclaim, "Chiga!..." as in "Blood!..." leaving just the subject marker and truncate the rest of the sentence, reinforcing this weird belief of mine that I carried throughout childhood. Anyway, I find this series super fun, Billy. Thanks a lot for these! Maybe you could do other stars like Wendy from Red Velvet, Amber from f(x), or Sam Hammington next?
@@mishapsmakemagic She being my ultimate bias, I know this as I'm sure pretty much every other fan does. That said, it would still be interesting to hear Billy's take on her Korean, as I'm curious as whether her time in Canada and The States is noticeable. Also, any opportunity to see more of Wendy is OK in my book 😀
Love these videos so much!!! (Assuming you like it and it's not too stressful) you should def continue this series! I think it's great for K-pop fans to advanced learners (or both!). I love the nitpicking because I live in Korea and it's hard to find people who WILL nitpick and point out the tiny mistakes in Korean. It really helps my level so much (even though I might make different mistakes from a native Japanese speaker). I totally make the mistake of "잠시만요/기다려 주세요" and "ummmmmm" when I'm speaking in Korean, I didn't realize how awkward I must sound until I saw this. Similarly, as a non-native, I never would have clocked Mina's Japanese pronunciation of tomato or cream. Haha, I'm totally rambling. Love these videos and I love the work you do, Billy!!!
these videos have been really nice to watch. as a big once, and also as someone very interested in linguistics, these are entertaining and informational. and as a fan i’m glad you’ve looked into twice this much for the video!! haha
i could note that i’m not studying korean myself (outside of the basics that you casually pick up over years of immersing in korean music), nor do i have any knowledge of japanese, but i am studying mandarin chinese! and have been for a few years. so your insight into how tzuyu’s chinese pronunciation affects her korean was cool to see!
Twice dynamics as a group is really fun to watch - I hope you had fun watching them as you try to analyze foreign line's Korean =) i'd be excited to watch Stray Kids' Bang Chan & Felix & GOT7's Jackson, Mark & Bambam's korean if you decide to do so. Cheers to you & your channel.
Could you consider doing a video with Blackpinks Rosé, she's Korean but didn't learn Korean until she moved to Korea. I used to see comments in 2016 from kfans saying she was hard to understand and would even rewind clips to re-listen to what she was saying and they would also comment on videos when she was improving to congratulate her for still studying. As someone who is not a native Korean speaker, I can't hear her accent when speaking Korean so I would really love to see what you think of her pronunciation and how you think she's improved since debut. By the way, I love your channel! I made an actual account today so I could subscribe
I'd love to see a video on GOT7's foreign members! They're Thai, Chinese and American so I think an analysis of the difference in their pronunciation could be really interesting! 감사합니다~
Just to clarify Tzuyu speaks Taiwanese Mandarin, Chinese has many dialects which include Mandarin and Cantonese. Since she is from Taiwan her Mandarin is different from China the mainland there are many differences in pronunciation of her native language versus a native Mandarin speaker from China.
I love this series! Please do more foreign idols in the future. Would be cool to see you do NCT, Got7 and Stray Kids. They have a lot of foreign members (relatively speaking).
I like that Mina is speaking Korean and that she started as a teenager and I like that while she's speaking Korean she still giving her Japanese spice to it like the way she pronounce cream and tomato.
Hi! It would be cool if you make a video grading Stray Kids Bangchan and Felix Korean, both are Australian, but Bangchan has live in Korea for more than 10 years, while Felix has live in Korea for about 3 years now and still struggling with the language, may be cool to see the differences.
@@IamStrangreen Her parents speak American since they lived there and she also plays a lot of video games and watches movies so she could of picked up how to pronounce certain words.
i can hear a pronunciation mistake in your japanese, you pronounce "ch" "t" "p" and "k" as "ㅊ" "ㅌ" "ㅍ" and "ㅋ" respectively but really theyre much closer to "ㅈ" "ㄷ" "ㅂ" and "ㄱ". ppl only think of these consonants as aspirated/strong consonants so they can still distinguish them from "j" "d" "b" and "g" which sound like how they do in english(except for "j" which sounds like how it does in russian or how dź sounds in polish and "d" in japanese is also slightly different and is the same as the one in french, spanish or most languages but "b" and "g" are exactly the same as english)
Ye usually Japanese consonants are less aspirated than English and Korean strong consonants but more aspirated than Spanish or Korean tense consonants; right in the middle lol
@@supechube_k I thought tense and aspirated were the same thing 🤔 anyway I said “more aspirated than Spanish (or Korean tense) consonants” meaning “more aspirated than Spanish consonants and Korean tense consonants”, probably should’ve made that more clear 👍
WOW I really really loved this video! And also the one about Sana and Momo! I mean I clicked just because I was curious about their pronunciation and your opinion....but I ended up learning a lot! Omg. This is a really fun way to improve. Thank you Billy! I think you should make a video talking about GOT7 since they have Thai, Hong Kong and American/ Taiwanese members!
It would be interesting to see one of these videos with some foreign NCT members, especially comparing those who grew up speaking Korean at home but have little reading and writing skill such as Johnny or Mark, to members who learned Korean later as a second or third language such as Ten, Yuta, or Chenle (among many others)
please do felix from stray kids !!! it’d be interesting to see his korean since hes gone from originally not going to be able to debut because he wasn’t fluent enough, to now when he’s improved so much !
I love these! What about checking Jessi's or Eric Nam's Korean? Other celebrities and themselves always say they are not fluent in Korean but they've been living there for 10+ years. I would love to understand why they are not considered fluent. Thank you for your work! :)
First of all, thank you for this series; these videos are really interesting and enjoyable. I have a question that is a little of topic. While watching the second clip of Tzuyu, I was reminded that I have often see in kdramas people talk about eating/buying 빵, but they end up eating/buying some kind of pastries. Is that because the word 빵 has a broader meaning?
I'd believe that, as Jessi is an honest queen. She's struggled reading cue cards on her own talk show, and to understand less common terms when appearing on variety shows. Native Korean speakers have also said Jessi has a very thick Korean American accent.
you should do another one of these videos, but instead of grading celebrities’ Korean, you should ask your followers to send in videos of themselves speaking Korean and grade them! i would love to watch that!
nailed on the t JIN a Korean guy living in Japan for like longer than they have been living Korea; said the same thing about her pronunciation. she tends to say stuff in he used the word 訛まる．which means speaks with an accent. he said the same about Tzuyu. vids like this always helps in my journey to fluency in Japanese
these are fun as someone who has been learning korean for a few years and went through years of korean classes in college. could you also look at the foreign members of got7? i’ve always been curious how their korean holds up
I’m curious about Got7 too. They seem the type not to have learned formally but through conversations with natives. But unlike most foreigners, they don’t seem to shy away and are confident (apart from Mark but that’s just his quiet personality)
I really want to see you grading Vivi from Loona! She struggled a lot in the beginning but she improved so much, so I think a video about her would be interesting!!
@@aldrinalipio9808 Mandarin and Cantonese are actually separate languages, not dialects of one Chinese language. Cantonese and Mandarin are not mutually intelligible. So, Tzuyu's native language is Mandarin.
Thank you, that was really fun again! ^^ Now there is a relatively new group under JYP called "NiziU". The members are all Japanese and they're allowed to speak Japanese but since they're in Korea they have to learn Korean and they often try to use it... Wouldn't it be fun to talk about them?
I’ve made a funny mistake like tzuyu’s mistake once... I was chatting with my korean friends, and we were talking about music. I was kind of sleepy since the time difference is 12 hours, so I said케이밥 instead of 케이팝. Everybody bursted of laughing, and so did I.
I'd really like for you to react to Felix from Stray Kids (Twice's little brother group). He's korean but he came from Australia right before he debuted and couldn't speak korean much. I'd like to see what you think about his improvement, he's such a little cinnamon roll ☺ even though he has such a deep rap voice.
P.s. his members once said he speaks in a pretty way or elegant? I was wondering what the difference was seeing as they're native speakers. I'm guessing they are referring to not using as much slang?
I really like this series!!! You could also try Jun, Vernon, The8 and Joshua from Seventeen (Americans and Chinese) or NCT where there are 2 japonese (one only got in the team some months ago and is still learning korean), 1 thai, 1 canadian, 1 american and a lot of chinese members! Ten and Yangyang know 5 languages and Renjun always surprises people when he sais he is chinese because he know more about korea than anyone else, knows A LOT of vocabulary (even names of different rocks and such) and also has a good pronunciation
It would be cool if you did a video about (G)I-dle's foreign members (Shuhua - Taiwanese, Yuqi - Chinese, Minnie - Thai) and iz*one's Japanese line (Nako, Hitomi, Sakura)
I am Korean (born in Korea), but I definitely notice the way she pronounces "cream." In Korean, it's just 크림, but the way she says it, is very subtle, but has that japanese 크리무 style pronunciation. It's not as clear as the japanese way of doing it, but is sort of like a mix. But generally you are right, I don't think many of us would really notice that part. I"m only really aware of it, because I'm listening for differences. I don't know how I got to your video in the first place, but all of the stuff that you're saying is very accurate.
I would be interested in seeing a review of Vivi from LOONA's Korean. Because she debuted early in the project, there's a lot of footage of her from LOONA TV showing her gradual progress and ability in Korean. She's a native speaker of Cantonese (and maybe Mandarin? I know she's from Hong Kong), and I recognised a lot of similar accent and intonation features with Tzuyu's pronunciations in this video. Overall, I think she'd be a great case study in the effectiveness of language immersion. Keep up the amazing work Billy!!!
Sana and Momo said that Mina had already studied on her own and had learnt a lot of Korean when they first met
it's really impressive that mina self-studied and was able to pick up really fast
Well Mina is not just a beautiful penguin Queen but also Intelligent 🥰
Even the Korean trainees thought that she was Korean at first because of how fluent she is
@@debishvebishwish4839 true
yeah actually mina really was a big kpop fan before. there are screenshots of her old twitter account where she was using hangul and wrote her name as 민아
*the foreign line actually said that they think korean like the other members and sometimes dream korean, and when they're talking to their relatives they start to talk korean all of a sudden*
That's not surprising ; I'm a native French speaker who can speak English fluently, and I do think and dream in English a lot of the time. Sometimes when I speak with my family I have trouble with some words because I want to say something in French but I can only remember the English word for it. And I don't even live in an English-speaking country, so I guess for the Twice foreign line who have lived in Korea for years it'd be the case even more
@@tillie_brn it’s exactly the same for me but thankfully some of my friends speak both French and English
Its not surprising, I've been using English a lot in my daily life for years now and I think in both my native language and English now, now that I moved to a different country, I notice that some words only come out in the language of this country, some only in my native language, but most things I can put into words in English, however some words I do still need to "translate" in my head!
@@aldrinalipio9808 Chinese
@@aldrinalipio9808 Yea
when j-line arrived in korea, members said that mina was the fastest to pick up the language since she trained the shortest among all of them (1 year). they also mentioned multiple times from debut until now that mina is the smartest and is the most quick-witted.
however i think sana improved rapidly and surpassed mina overtime due to her outgoing, extroverted and outspoken nature. sana is like the most extroverted member and mina is the most introverted member.
This is an interesting idea.
Granted, as someone who doesn’t have a firm grasp on all of the things needed to critique it (I’m talking about me), this thought process makes a lot of sense when I think about it. Sana probably spends much more time out and conversing out loud with other people in Korean than Mina does due to her personality. I never really thought about it like that.
About the extroverted thing I think Sana and Nayeon are equally the most extroverted in Twice but hey that's just me lol
@@yomama1717 Nope Nayeon is introverted. She’s just not shy. Just because someone is shy does not mean they are introverted. There are people who are extroverted yet shy too. It’s more of whether you are more energetic with other people or alone.
@@PokeTwilight but nayeon is an extroverted person compare to mina
@@heavenlysunoo that's what we see on camera, Nayeon has said she's introvert and kinda quiet when she's not with Twice members. Well maybe not quite (hard to think of Nayeon like that lol) but shy to approach people
For the Taiwanese, the "ng" sounds are often less audible and morphed into an in between "n" and "ng" sound, this is perhaps why tzuyu makes this mistake. Hearing korean with small hints of their native tongue is definitely unique and adds character. It's almost like hearing a french person speaking American english, quite interesting to listen to.
Now here is some unsolicited critique I'd like to offer for your korean. In order to reach native levels, an American needs to talk with a different tone when speaking an Asian language. It's hard to describe, but Asian languages are spoken with a ton of indecision and a lot of pauses and gaps and run-ons. English speakers definitely tend to gravitate towards putting everything they try to say in one perfect sentence, but this is quite awkward sounding in something like everyday Chinese. Best way to describe this is to sound more "stuttery" with a lot of "eh", "hmm", "ah", "mmm" in between sentences. This may seem counterintuitive, but this is definitely one of the subtle reasons foreigners will sound foreign with Asian languages.
I talk about some things related to "tone" a bit in the next episode of this series, which will be up in a week or two.
@@GoBillyKorean hi billy
I think Taiwanese mandarin speakers make the distinction between n and ng less obvious because in Taiwanese Hokkien the n or ng sounds can change depending on where it is in the sentence. For example lín (you) can be pronounced lín or líng depending on if it’s pronounced using the front or the back of your mouth. And I think this is what is influencing Taiwanese mandarin and thus her Korean (regardless if she speaks Hokkien or not). For example in 행동 the ㅇ is before a ㄷ which is pronounced on this alveolar ridge which is where ㄴ is pronounced and so using Taiwanese Hokkien traits it would probably be pronounced 핸동. And this trait makes Taiwanese mandarin the way it is eg míngzì can be pronounced mínzì because z is pronounced on your alveolar ridge like n is and not as the back of your mouth like ng is. But just my observations lol
Yeah I was about to say--this is a common situation with Mandarin speakers from Southern China in general just due to how the pronunciation of southern dialects has influenced the way many southerners speak Mandarin (e.g. mixing up "n" and "ng" sound).
It's probably because there is no "miang" in chinese, only "mian" so it feels weird to say. chinese.yabla.com/chinese-pinyin-chart.php
16:38 Tzuyu has Yoda like ears that's why her nickname is Yoda XD
and huge eyes
I'd like to see a (G)I-DLE version of this video.
Half of the members are foreigners, it'd be interesting to watch, especially Shuhua's Korean! She was not confident with it, but she's better now!
Btw Minnie's Thai
Yuqi's Chinese
And Shuhua's Taiwanese
i was just going to say it! yuqi's korean is just like sana's, i always got amazed with her skills
IKR
@@doublemoon7720 Minnie actually has more knowledge in Korean in the foreign line while Yuqi has good social skills talking in korean
@@juno1765 i second this. minnie also has a fluid speking skills, otherwise yuqi has a fluency advanced level vocabulary
I'd like to see him find a serious clip of Yuqi as well.
Even my mom thinks Mina is the sweetest person ever. So, she is basically perfect.
She is 🥺🥺
@@aldrinalipio9808 I believe they speak a dialect of Chinese in Taiwan.
@@aldrinalipio9808 Yes, her accent is a bit different from Mandarin in Beijing, for example. But yeah, Chinese Mandarin is Tzuyu's native language.
Mina😍❤️🤩😄😇✨👏👍
yes yoda is tzuyu's nickname, yoda from star wars😂😂😂
@@aldrinalipio9808 she use mandarin chinese
@@aldrinalipio9808 yes
Actually Mina is a K-pop fan before she even got to JYPE and i think that contributes to her being in good korean in for just 2 years.
Not all K-pop fan know Korean. I’m stan Kpop more than 6 years but I don’t even know Korean.
@@dariusjack7137 well i think you just being lazy 😂, I stan Kpop this year so it's not even 1 year but I can read Korean and understand some of the word
@@gagahsyuja6931 just because others doesn't have the desire to learn another language means that they're lazy. If you can read korean then congrats, so what's your point?
@@tsuchan5828 Look at the laughing emote. I'm joking...
@@tsuchan5828 And actually i want to use another word but i don't know that word in English
It's great to see how Billy enjoys watching those Twice clips
I'm pretty sure that the Japanese girls all speak to each other in Japanese when they are alone, but use Korean when they are in a group or on camera, so that the audience can understand even if it's just them together. Tzuyu however doesn't have any Chinese speakers in the group, but when she speaks to other Chinese people in Korea, She often uses Mandarin
the girls mentioned that even when theyre alone they dont speak in complete japanese, like a mix of korean and japanese (also the 3 girls dont speak standard japanese but kansai dialect)
@@safi135 Yeah, that happens a lot with people that move to country with a different language. I'm not a native English speaker, but even when I'm talking with just my family, some English slips in.
i thought there was a difference between taiwanese and mainland chinese ?
@@anushka1223 ive read somewhere that tzuyu knows how to speak both.
@@zariyang2595 okie
I knew you would use Tzuyu 's funny clip mixing 지겹다 & 즐겁다 ㅋㅋㅋthis is how I learned both words XD
@@aldrinalipio9808 mandarin
Actually I like how Billy talks, like if Tzuyu was really going to receive his feedback. Amazing!
You never know. A ONCE may just kindly pass along the message :)
@@aldrinalipio9808 I dont't know certainly, but probably Taiwanese Mandarin.
Well, the introvert brainy mina and a gamer.
Tzuyu name sounds like chewie as in the nick name for chewbacca. The twice members made that connection but they think she is more like yoda than chewbacca because she is sensible and she always has wise words so they call her yoda instead.
Plus ears.
she also looks like yoda
Fans started calling her Yoda because of her ears and it sorta stuck.
Her KOREAN name sounds like chewie.
@@aldrinalipio9808 chinese
Mina is really good at reading Korean compared to the other non-Native members.
I guess that has to do with her being an introvert.
its more likely bcs shes a brainy gamer. everyone in twice says she's the smartest and most quick-witted. mina is full of talent and intelligence but ppl dont rly notice it due to her very introverted nature
actually all twice members (except for sana) are introverts
She is smart
just want to point out, please do not equate social anxiety with being an introvert(I’m saying this because you put a slash, it made me think you are equating the two terms as synonyms).
Also, I do agree with what you said, I think being introverted helps, but the other members are introverted too, excluding Sana. Mina is really smart probably because she games a lot since young and it helped her to think and process language differently.
Genius A.S. Brain
Sorn from CLC, the Thai multilingual Queen of TH-cam (also, if possible, this SHOULD be a collab)
Can she speak english fluently??
@@endaime26_52 yes she went to an international school in Thailand I think and she can speak fluent English
Thank you so much for making this video, it’s so good to see Mina’s Korean speaking skills being analysed!
I always find that Mina always think out of the box and that may be why she picks up Korean easily! While Mina is smart I also want to say because Japanese grammar and vocal have similarities with Korean, that may also be why Mina is able to pick up the language easily.
If a Japanese speaker were to learn Korean language and vice versa, it would be easier to grasp compared to a Mandarin speaker learning Japanese or Korean. 시간(si-gan) and 時間(ji-kan) are pronounced similar in both languages.
I love how in this video and the one with Momo and Sana, you point out what they do well as well as mistakes, but also explain the reality that the mistakes they do make are so small they don't much matter! You give context to all of this which is really good for people like me who have no background to the context of the korean language and how native speakers would interpret this, so thank you so much for these videos!
P.S. I agree with all the comments, we need G(IDLE)'s Minnie, Yuqi and Shuhua next!!
I was waiting for this!
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I’m liking these grading videos. They seem to be getting a lot of traction for ya! Nice work!
Yeah it seems so. Thanks! 👍 I never have any idea what videos will get popular when I plan them.
Please do one of these analysis with your old clips. Watching your improvement over the years would be very interesting!
omg XD
I don't follow Twice but I gotta say Tzuyu is my favorite member so far, she seems very outgoing and funny lol
Thank you for taking the time to do such a great video, I was especially curious about Tzuyu’s korean as I’ve heard it’s a bit harder for native mandarin speakers.
Things that are hard: finding serious clips of twice
Also thanks dude keep up this series its funny and informative and joins it in with what gave a lot of people an interest in korean culture(kpop), while also using kpop to learn korean in a respectful way(unfortunately a lot of people think korea is just kpop)
Billy, thank you so much! I rely on listening to my favorite idols to help with my listening skills and I love learning about non-native accents and quirks from their mother tongue. please never stop making these! I'd love to see you talk about groups like g-idle!
Thank you so much for making this ❤️
Maybe you could do a video on IZ*ONE's Japanese members yet, they've been in Korea for only 2 years but they seem to know it decently - especially Sakura
I second this! It's going to be interesting to see comparisons of IZ*ONE Jline's Korean from debut (late 2018) to now (2020). Personally their growth in Korean speaking is quite astonishing considering the Jline didn't really start learning korean until early 2018 when pd48 started
Definitely! I would love to see his opinion of Nako's pronunciation because she sounds so natural
Yes it'd be interesting to watch!
Also Sakura's the oldest among the jline, and she is probably the best in Korean!
Hii-chan also improved a lot
This is a huge one to me, especially since their time is slowly approaching, unfortunately. We've actually seen them go from zero Korean experience to their current state, so the amount of, and quality of, analysis could be crazy. A start to end, however gutting that sounds, would make a lot of sense.
@@cherrydrop9922 to me nako still sounds japanese even if she’s speaking in korean😭 what i’m trying to say she always seemed to keep her japanese intonation.
Tzuyu is such a cutie.
I really wanna see Renjun and Chenle’s Korean grades rated by you
Me, too!
theyre pretty great at korean, it kills me when renjun pulls the 외국인 card even tho he can even play korean word games haha.
Yess the whole NCT is a really good content to this
renjun has been speaking korean for a majority of his life (to some degree) it's not fair to pit him against the other members who didn't grow up around korean language and culture
@@andi01452 But I think Mark and Johnny should be included 'cuz they definitely have slight American accent in Korean especially Mark haha. And to say about Renjun, what you've heard are true but Renjun's korean back then was probably not same as now. Because the Korean-Chinese region that you mentioned has the specific accent in Korean but now Renjun has none of it now so I guess he practiced alot.
Sorry for my English tho
I love these kind of videos! Could you maybe grade some of NCT members' Korean? They have 23 members and pretty much half of them are foreigners. Of course, it would take too long to grade every single one but maybe you could do a video on Renjun(Chinese member, grew up speaking Korean as well), Johnny or Mark(American members), Yuta(Japanese member) and Ten(from Thailand). Or you could just look them up and choose someone yourself. It's fine if you don't, this is just a suggestion :)
Thank you I was waiting for this
Tzuyu's accent is very Taiwanese. Different from China's Mandarin, Taiwanese people don't pronounce every word clearly. So like eng and en, zh ch sh and so on. I guess it is because of the influence of Taiwanese and Japanese. ㅇ and ㄴ are also hard for me.
@@aldrinalipio9808 I'm not from Taiwan, but I think they use Mandarin, Hokkien, Teochew, among others. They all fall under "Chinese languages" but are mutually intelligible. I read somewhere that Tzuyu can speak both Mandarin and a Taiwanese language but I haven't seen the clip myself.
@@aldrinalipio9808 I myself speak Mandrian in school, Taiwaness with my father, but my mother tongue is Hakka. Yes, they are quite similar, but it is also imposible to understand each other language without learning it.
@@mapotofu1841 yeah no. Mandarin and Hokkien are completely unintelligible. Major branches (Guan, Yue, Min, Wu, etc) are not intelligible between each other, and within a branch it's at best limited intelligibility. Hokkien might be somewhat similar to Teochew (they're both Southern Min), but Min is itself furthest from every other branch.
Heyyy i love ur videos and I think Mina is a better speaker
Loved this, and I totally understand Tzuyu's 겨드랑이 misinterpretation, for I thought for over a decade that "blood" in Japanese was "chiga" instead of just "chi." Just like in Korean, the subject marker is "ga" (血が出ている "chi ga deteiru" "(one) is bleeding", 피가 나온다) and in the case of blood, is almost always followed by it, hence "chiga." Additionally, just like in Korean, the markers are often omitted, so in the case of "chi ga deteiru," one may have thought that the ga was omitted, and the original sentence would have been "chiga ga deteiru." To even further complicate things, in the case of blood, a lot of times you're just shocked by the sight of it, so you can cut off the sentence midspeech and just exclaim, "Chiga!..." as in "Blood!..." leaving just the subject marker and truncate the rest of the sentence, reinforcing this weird belief of mine that I carried throughout childhood.
Anyway, I find this series super fun, Billy. Thanks a lot for these! Maybe you could do other stars like Wendy from Red Velvet, Amber from f(x), or Sam Hammington next?
Wendy is actually a native Korean speaker, she didn’t move to Canada until middle school.
@@mishapsmakemagic She being my ultimate bias, I know this as I'm sure pretty much every other fan does. That said, it would still be interesting to hear Billy's take on her Korean, as I'm curious as whether her time in Canada and The States is noticeable. Also, any opportunity to see more of Wendy is OK in my book 😀
i’d love to see you cover the non-native members of seventeen!
@@aldrinalipio9808 mandarin
@@aldrinalipio9808 well i believe it’s called chinese mandarin but i don’t know much more about this, google would be more helpful to you
"This day was so boring"
Savage maknae Tzuyu in the house
Lol
Also "JYP b*tch" 😂😂
Mina is such a softy when speaking in korean but like a rapper when speaking in japanese with deep speaking voice.
Love these videos so much!!! (Assuming you like it and it's not too stressful) you should def continue this series! I think it's great for K-pop fans to advanced learners (or both!). I love the nitpicking because I live in Korea and it's hard to find people who WILL nitpick and point out the tiny mistakes in Korean. It really helps my level so much (even though I might make different mistakes from a native Japanese speaker).
I totally make the mistake of "잠시만요/기다려 주세요" and "ummmmmm" when I'm speaking in Korean, I didn't realize how awkward I must sound until I saw this. Similarly, as a non-native, I never would have clocked Mina's Japanese pronunciation of tomato or cream.
Haha, I'm totally rambling. Love these videos and I love the work you do, Billy!!!
한국어 원어민으로써 19:33 이 부분은 쯔위의 본심이 튀어나온 것이라고 생각했는데, 이 영상을 보고 즐겁다와 지겹다가 발음이 비슷해서 충분히 헷갈릴 수도 있다는 것을 깨달았습니다.
이번에도 영상 정말 재미있게 잘 봤습니다!
I would love to see you look at Eric Nam's Korean! I love him and I know he used to struggle but he's better now! Love this series.
Tzuyu❤️
these videos have been really nice to watch. as a big once, and also as someone very interested in linguistics, these are entertaining and informational. and as a fan i’m glad you’ve looked into twice this much for the video!! haha
i could note that i’m not studying korean myself (outside of the basics that you casually pick up over years of immersing in korean music), nor do i have any knowledge of japanese, but i am studying mandarin chinese! and have been for a few years. so your insight into how tzuyu’s chinese pronunciation affects her korean was cool to see!
Tzuyu so beautiful im in love❤❤
Twice dynamics as a group is really fun to watch - I hope you had fun watching them as you try to analyze foreign line's Korean =)
i'd be excited to watch Stray Kids' Bang Chan & Felix & GOT7's Jackson, Mark & Bambam's korean if you decide to do so.
Cheers to you & your channel.
Could you consider doing a video with Blackpinks Rosé, she's Korean but didn't learn Korean until she moved to Korea. I used to see comments in 2016 from kfans saying she was hard to understand and would even rewind clips to re-listen to what she was saying and they would also comment on videos when she was improving to congratulate her for still studying. As someone who is not a native Korean speaker, I can't hear her accent when speaking Korean so I would really love to see what you think of her pronunciation and how you think she's improved since debut. By the way, I love your channel! I made an actual account today so I could subscribe
but she spoke Korean with her parents it's not like she didn't speak Korean at all
Billy subtly self-promoting made my day! 😁 Love this video series btw~
Mina went on hiatus from July 2019 to February 2020 so she's probably speaking only in Japanese for those months she was in Japan.
@@aldrinalipio9808 Taiwanese Mandarin.
@@aldrinalipio9808 ?
I'd love to see a video on GOT7's foreign members! They're Thai, Chinese and American so I think an analysis of the difference in their pronunciation could be really interesting! 감사합니다~
Yes! I hope he does!
Just to clarify Tzuyu speaks Taiwanese Mandarin, Chinese has many dialects which include Mandarin and Cantonese. Since she is from Taiwan her Mandarin is different from China the mainland there are many differences in pronunciation of her native language versus a native Mandarin speaker from China.
I love this series! Please do more foreign idols in the future. Would be cool to see you do NCT, Got7 and Stray Kids. They have a lot of foreign members (relatively speaking).
Mina😍😁✨🤗❤️😊👏👍
I like that Mina is speaking Korean and that she started as a teenager and I like that while she's speaking Korean she still giving her Japanese spice to it like the way she pronounce cream and tomato.
I really enjoyed this video
Hi! It would be cool if you make a video grading Stray Kids Bangchan and Felix Korean, both are Australian, but Bangchan has live in Korea for more than 10 years, while Felix has live in Korea for about 3 years now and still struggling with the language, may be cool to see the differences.
Mina is so talented
Poor Tzuyu she has the slowest pace on learning korean language among foreign member😢. I hope someday she will improve more like sana💜
Been looking for a good channel to help me with korean, Thanks!
Mina usually pronounce English words with her American accent
I agree
But she lived a lot part of her childhood in Japan, she only live a few years on America...I don't think it wasn't more than 2 years maybe.
@@IamStrangreen Her parents speak American since they lived there and she also plays a lot of video games and watches movies so she could of picked up how to pronounce certain words.
@@apples8872 speak american?? 💀💀 I'm pretty sure you mean English-
@@apples8872 They speak american😭
Thank you so much for taking your time to explain this.... please do more series.... this is very useful
Sana, Mina, Momo, tzuyu
Please do the australian member felix of straykids
also bangchan
yess
@@newbunnie1 yeah I just thought since its been 11 years in april that he moven to korea
i love mina
TZUYU😍😍😍😍😍
I really do love that you were sooooo respectful in this video 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
i can hear a pronunciation mistake in your japanese, you pronounce "ch" "t" "p" and "k" as "ㅊ" "ㅌ" "ㅍ" and "ㅋ" respectively but really theyre much closer to "ㅈ" "ㄷ" "ㅂ" and "ㄱ". ppl only think of these consonants as aspirated/strong consonants so they can still distinguish them from "j" "d" "b" and "g" which sound like how they do in english(except for "j" which sounds like how it does in russian or how dź sounds in polish and "d" in japanese is also slightly different and is the same as the one in french, spanish or most languages but "b" and "g" are exactly the same as english)
jesus this comment blew up fast
Ye usually Japanese consonants are less aspirated than English and Korean strong consonants but more aspirated than Spanish or Korean tense consonants; right in the middle lol
@@justakathings spanish consonants aren't really tense, theyre just unaspirated
@@supechube_k I thought tense and aspirated were the same thing 🤔 anyway I said “more aspirated than Spanish (or Korean tense) consonants” meaning “more aspirated than Spanish consonants and Korean tense consonants”, probably should’ve made that more clear 👍
@@aldrinalipio9808 mandarin
WOW I really really loved this video! And also the one about Sana and Momo! I mean I clicked just because I was curious about their pronunciation and your opinion....but I ended up learning a lot! Omg. This is a really fun way to improve. Thank you Billy!
I think you should make a video talking about GOT7 since they have Thai, Hong Kong and American/ Taiwanese members!
It would be interesting to see one of these videos with some foreign NCT members, especially comparing those who grew up speaking Korean at home but have little reading and writing skill such as Johnny or Mark, to members who learned Korean later as a second or third language such as Ten, Yuta, or Chenle (among many others)
please do NCTs foreigner line next!! You have a lot of members to choose from hahah
please do felix from stray kids !!! it’d be interesting to see his korean since hes gone from originally not going to be able to debut because he wasn’t fluent enough, to now when he’s improved so much !
I love these! What about checking Jessi's or Eric Nam's Korean? Other celebrities and themselves always say they are not fluent in Korean but they've been living there for 10+ years. I would love to understand why they are not considered fluent. Thank you for your work! :)
First of all, thank you for this series; these videos are really interesting and enjoyable.
I have a question that is a little of topic. While watching the second clip of Tzuyu, I was reminded that I have often see in kdramas people talk about eating/buying 빵, but they end up eating/buying some kind of pastries. Is that because the word 빵 has a broader meaning?
I think bread/pastry goods are grouped as baked goods.
빵 includes any "bread" items as well. Just plain bread itself is 식빵.
enjoyed this as much as sana and momo's thank you!
발음진짜 좋으시다..!!
Can you talk about Jessi’s Korean skills? She’s lived in Korea for around 15 years but she claims that she still doesn’t speak Korean very well 😂
I'd believe that, as Jessi is an honest queen.
She's struggled reading cue cards on her own talk show, and to understand less common terms when appearing on variety shows.
Native Korean speakers have also said Jessi has a very thick Korean American accent.
@@aldrinalipio9808 In Taiwan, people speak Mandarin Chinese.
@@aldrinalipio9808 yes :)
you should do another one of these videos, but instead of grading celebrities’ Korean, you should ask your followers to send in videos of themselves speaking Korean and grade them!
i would love to watch that!
He used the "it was very boring" clip 😂
It would be cool to see a video on Bang Chan and Felix from Stray Kids!!
I think Mina is adorable
nailed on the t JIN a Korean guy living in Japan for like longer than they have been living Korea; said the same thing about her pronunciation. she tends to say stuff in he used the word 訛まる．which means speaks with an accent. he said the same about Tzuyu. vids like this always helps in my journey to fluency in Japanese
woow this mina longest speaking, Amazing ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for this Billy! Please analyze NCT’s foreign line next! 😂
these are fun as someone who has been learning korean for a few years and went through years of korean classes in college. could you also look at the foreign members of got7? i’ve always been curious how their korean holds up
I’m curious about Got7 too. They seem the type not to have learned formally but through conversations with natives. But unlike most foreigners, they don’t seem to shy away and are confident (apart from Mark but that’s just his quiet personality)
I really want to see you grading Vivi from Loona! She struggled a lot in the beginning but she improved so much, so I think a video about her would be interesting!!
It was fun to know about Mina and Tzuyu's Korean. Can you please make a video on Aespa's Giselle and Ningning?
literally saw sana and momo’s version yesterday and now this popped up in my feed. perfect timing lmao
Tzuyu so cute😂
Tzuyu's funny mistake is actually a clip from 2016
Yes that was what I thought too.
I really loved the vid! And i would like to see you analize got7 foreign members (mark, bambam, jackson)!
Tzuyu is known as the savage member of Twice, so she may have been honest when she said it was boring.
@@aldrinalipio9808 It would be Mandarin, I believe.
@@aldrinalipio9808 Mandarin and Cantonese are actually separate languages, not dialects of one Chinese language. Cantonese and Mandarin are not mutually intelligible. So, Tzuyu's native language is Mandarin.
Thank you, that was really fun again! ^^ Now there is a relatively new group under JYP called "NiziU". The members are all Japanese and they're allowed to speak Japanese but since they're in Korea they have to learn Korean and they often try to use it... Wouldn't it be fun to talk about them?
Yea that sounds cool! But they're not advanced, so the video might be a little long
its too early
@@safi135
Maybe you're right... But they're more my level ^^
I’ve made a funny mistake like tzuyu’s mistake once... I was chatting with my korean friends, and we were talking about music. I was kind of sleepy since the time difference is 12 hours, so I said케이밥 instead of 케이팝. Everybody bursted of laughing, and so did I.
I'd really like for you to react to Felix from Stray Kids (Twice's little brother group). He's korean but he came from Australia right before he debuted and couldn't speak korean much.
I'd like to see what you think about his improvement, he's such a little cinnamon roll ☺ even though he has such a deep rap voice.
P.s. his members once said he speaks in a pretty way or elegant? I was wondering what the difference was seeing as they're native speakers. I'm guessing they are referring to not using as much slang?
please review yuqi, shuhua and minnie the non-korean from (G)I-DLE
I really like this series!!! You could also try Jun, Vernon, The8 and Joshua from Seventeen (Americans and Chinese) or NCT where there are 2 japonese (one only got in the team some months ago and is still learning korean), 1 thai, 1 canadian, 1 american and a lot of chinese members! Ten and Yangyang know 5 languages and Renjun always surprises people when he sais he is chinese because he know more about korea than anyone else, knows A LOT of vocabulary (even names of different rocks and such) and also has a good pronunciation
19:24
"Here's our next TOTALLY SERIOUS clip"
Then the second I saw what clip it was, I instantly laughed
It would be cool if you did a video about (G)I-dle's foreign members (Shuhua - Taiwanese, Yuqi - Chinese, Minnie - Thai) and iz*one's Japanese line (Nako, Hitomi, Sakura)
I am Korean (born in Korea), but I definitely notice the way she pronounces "cream." In Korean, it's just 크림, but the way she says it, is very subtle, but has that japanese 크리무 style pronunciation. It's not as clear as the japanese way of doing it, but is sort of like a mix. But generally you are right, I don't think many of us would really notice that part. I"m only really aware of it, because I'm listening for differences.
I don't know how I got to your video in the first place, but all of the stuff that you're saying is very accurate.
I would be interested in seeing a review of Vivi from LOONA's Korean. Because she debuted early in the project, there's a lot of footage of her from LOONA TV showing her gradual progress and ability in Korean. She's a native speaker of Cantonese (and maybe Mandarin? I know she's from Hong Kong), and I recognised a lot of similar accent and intonation features with Tzuyu's pronunciations in this video. Overall, I think she'd be a great case study in the effectiveness of language immersion. Keep up the amazing work Billy!!!
Thanks for sharing