11 things they don't tell you about rim brakes
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- We told you the things that 'they' don't tell you about disc brakes. Here are some things they don't tell you about rim brakes.
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0:00 Introduction
0:33 They'll wear out your rims
3:14 They don't work well in the wet
4:16 Braking on carbon is... variable
6:21 Brake pads can be expensive
6:43 You need to choose the right brake pads
7:33 You need to look after those brake pads
8:06 Rim brake tech is stalling
8:58 Tyre size is limited
9:23 Rim brakes can rub + squeal too
10:31 Cable run is imperative to performance
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I've put over 20,000km on my light alloy wheels and they are fine (easy another 10k but not sure about the hubs). Modern rim brake bikes have clearance for 28mm tyres generally, so for road riding in the dry, rim is better - lighter, quieter, cheaper, and far less fuss.
I love my rim brake bike. Unfortunately it can only handle 25s in the back :(
My old 6700 Ultegra-s did about ~50k so far and still going. Well, front hub has a minor pit on the bearing race (not visual, but can feel it with a pen, in a single spot). I've found some other brand and replaced the hub last year. Has nice press-fit bearings and surprisingly, is 50 g lighter. Rim itself is about to last maybe two or three more years, for the wear mark to finally disappear. - I have 2 wheel sets, so no big deal. Will build new one if in need. ;-)
@@madyogi6164 my light alloy wheels didn't last too much longer, but I would have assumed Ultegra wheels would have lasted longer. Bit heavier but hey.
#7 should read .. "manufacturers are forcing rimbrakes out of the market to make the buying public pay double for diskbrakes" lol !!
Rim brakes have stood the test of time. It is the new marketing that is pushing disc brake sales on road bikes that I personally don’t think is necessary.
I have a Mavic, and up to now, 25yrs plus older than my eldest, and still using it.
@@CicadaweeGood point! Keep them. Rim brakes are fine. Specially these Ultegra R-8000 are cool lookers (even if I have old Tektro model, lighter 20 g per side).
People do buy disc brakes way more though, when we had options people bought disc versions more....consumers voted and brands followed suit.
Rim is just a bigger disk. 😂😁
Unless you are getting paid to ride in the rain and bomb descents on a regular basis, rim is more than enough. Disc is a solution-to a problem that doesn’t exist.
don't know how it is where you live, but it rains basically every other day here in Bath. and bombing is what descents are for :-)
Provided you keep the braking surface clean, alloy rims will wear out at a glacial pace. And even when they do, they won’t take you to the poorhouse to replace.
Rim brake for road racing
Disc for mountain, gravel, cyclocross, commuter and winter bikes.
Discs dentists and rims for serious riders.
👍👌🏻😂😂😂
Exactly mate spot on!!!!!
Now do a video on 11 things they don’t tell you about disk brake! Air in the lines, squeaking, not opening all the way, bleeding lines, disk warping , heavier just to name a few. Disk brakes on a bike is not necessary it’s just the bike industry‘s way of making more money!
We have done that video...
Very funny, guys, most of the disadvantages here are valid for discs also..
Riding a disc bike for about a year and considering selling it and get back on an 2016/2017 Trek Emonda rim version.
The braking performance and especially feedback with rim brakes is a hundred times better than that of a disc one.
With my old rim brake bike I went down hills with 80+km/h and was totally confident. Now I'm going a lousy 40km/h and I have no confidence at all.
Don't care! Rim brake forever!!!!
I run disc and rim. I got 30,000 miles on my last rim brake wheels.
I think it's all about the riders preference. Rim or disc, whichever works for the person at that given time. As for rim brakes, if it can win multiple grand tours since it's invention, then I think it's good enough for regular riding.
I tried both, and on road bikes, I prefer the rim brake + alloy rim combination all day. With alloy wheels and decent brake pads ( I'm on Swissstop BXP and 105 brakes ), the braking force is on par with most disc brakes in the dry. In the wet, the traction between the tyres and tarmac reduces, and I'd want my braking force to reduce accordingly. In the wet, if you are not careful, it is not difficult to lock the front wheels with disc brakes. Once you lock that wheel, it doesn't matter how good your brakes are anymore. 10000km, and still on my original alloy wheelset.
Exactly, Durianrider makes this point and shows vidoe of lots of race crashes caused by disc brakes locking up wheels.
I still prefer rim brake bike even in the rain 🙂
So you must only climb up hills.
1. cheap rim brake bike on alloy rims can be lighter than 10k$ superbike :)
@loccojoe666 I think they mean the combination of rim brakes and alloy wheel are lighter than a super bike rims and disc combination
Discs are NOISY. You have to clean discs regularly, I would rather ride all day vs. cleaning these finger cutters! I end up returning to rim brakes. The end.
I own a 1993 Giant Attraction taken decent care of it for over 28 years. Rim breaks heavy as hell steel bike that still stops real well. Regular cleaning and replacement of the pads.
I live in the countryside, I might go 100km without touching the brakes. I will at some point upgrade to discs to have better selection of wheels but I'm in no hurry.
Funny you asked Shimano for brake surface life. I always thought Shimano destroyed the most wheel with its hard like hell brake pads.
Exactly. Replace Shimano immediately with Swiss stop
I don't get the idea of the video. Half of what you said is wrong, like brake pads. They are super cheap, while disk brakes ones are expensive + the disk itself which gets bent and damage quite often
PS: new wheels come with disk only because they are more expensive and money is the ultimate goal for them, facts
Long live rim brakes!
Kool Stop Salmon pads spotted there at the beginning. I like them so much better over the almost plastic feel of the Shimano pads.
The one time I decided to ride on a damp morning after a rainstorm, I was hit with another heavy shower! But, my rim brake bike took it all with aplomb, so I’m convinced that rim brakes still work in the wet, just not as well as discs. Rim brakes all the way, especially because I am not paying more money for an already expensive category of bikes just to get disc brakes
RIM FOR ROAD AND DISC FOR DIRT
Ride mid-tier aluminum wheels, high-quality brake pads, and the best tires you can afford in the widest version you can fit, unless that's wider than 28mm. Clean the rims (off the bike so you can get to the brake pads) every 200 miles or so (more often if you ride in wet or very dusty conditions) with very fine steel wool then wipe them down with a liberal dose of isopropyl alcohol on a fresh microfiber cloth. Face the pads lightly with 400-ish grit sand paper then clean them with the alcohol and an old toothbrush.
Your wheels will suffer negligible braking-surface wear over time, your braking power will be impressive, and you'll pocket enough cash (over carbon wheels and disc brakes) to buy lots of coffee and pastries. Or you can skip the pastries (Who in his or her right mind would skip the coffee?), and by the time you do suffer enough braking-surface wear to warrant a new set of mid-tier aluminum wheels, you'll have banked enough to buy them. Best of all, unless you're being paid to ride fast, you'll suffer insignificant performance loss compared to the more fashionable options.
Being one of the older riders, I have experience of single pivot rim brakes, on both steel and aluminium rims.
Moving to dual pivot rim brakes later was a huge step forward.
V-brakes took it even further.
But disc brakes, above all Hydro or hybrid discs, just take it forward again.
And I don't get all the concern about maintenance...how often do you change out a whole system? As for squealing...pfft, rim brakes do that.
The focus on rim wear is nonsense, though. Far more important is wet weather performance.
As I said before if you ride in the rain maybe it’s worth it. I’ve done one wet weather ride in the last year. I also do a lot of bike building and restoration. For me the expense and the extra work is not worth it.
Well said!
On my old 90s Peugeot I'm using Campag Potenza rim brakes and believe it or not - I can cram 30mm wide Schwalbe One tires AND 35mm wide SKS mudguards in there. And it works. It's a tight fit up front. In the back not so much. Apart from super muddy conditions, there's no rubbing. And in 20 years of riding, I have yet to wear out a single rim with rim brakes. If you look after and clean your pads and if you're not using the hardest compound, there's really no need to be super worried about rim wear.
I have even older Peugeot as a gravel bike. With Tektro R559 calipers I can easily fit a 40mm gravelking front and back.
They also don't tell you most pros would go to rim brakes
in a heartbeat its the sponsors stop that just ask Froome !
Looks like your sponsors pulled your ears because of the other video 😂😂😂😂😂
Or maybe there were complaints about bias? PS the same sponsors also make rim brake stuff
I'll pull back the curtain a little bit. The disc brake video did well so we thought "we should do the same video but for rim brakes". Put the tin hats away 🤣
Watching this after stage 16 of Giro, had to put it on mute after hearing Hugh Carthy descending like a scared giraffe on Kilimanjaro. Disc brakes squealing so loud you could hear them through the moto camera behind him. You could see him wishing he had rim brakes just for the peace and quiet in such serene landscapes.
now i want to know what they don't tell you about disc brakes
th-cam.com/video/SZ-uMif6kjM/w-d-xo.html - your wish is our command
@@roadcc lol thanks
The actual video title should be: We only looked at the disadvantages of rim brakes.
yes, that is kind of the point of the video. thanks for noticing :-)
Love disc brakes on my CX bike, give us rim for the road please! Enough is enough!
I prefer rim brakes the power is more than enough and they feel better than discs and you can get 4 genuine Shimano pads for £8 on the internet cheap as chips takes like 2 minutes to pop them in.
Great info!
My rim brakes work fine and are plenty powerful (ie. can lock wheels if I brake hard), a lot of marketing bushtit abounds to part rich consumers from their cash.
Disc just adds weight unless you fork over the money for a super expensive frame designed to be lighter with disc brakes. I got my Canyon CF SL 8 for under $3k and it weighs just over 7 kg plus has aero carbon handlebars, carbon seatpost, and decent alloy wheelset with dt swiss.
my carbon rim brakes work too good in wet conditions u just need the right brake pads. want to slow down faster? pull harder
The cheap TEKTRO hydraulic disc brakes on my Giant Escape RX amazes me all the time. Specially after changing to "Red Pads" and changing my tires to Continental Ultra Sport III. Before those changes the modulation wasn't that good. Now it is predictable even on wet.
I have a CAAD 8 since 2013 with rim brakes. I've had to change my rims twice. 1 spokes kept busting. 2 got hit by a car. Other than that my rims are just fine.
I think the biggest one for me is No8; I've got a Domane with direct mount rim brakes, and 32mm tyres just about fit; anything more - no chance. If you want wider tyres and rim brakes, you'll need either canti/v-brakes, and how many of them are now made, apart from specialist frame builders?
It’s super easy to still find Avid v’s
yeah alloy or carbon rims will wear eventually, but here is the thing most rider"s own more than one set of wheels. and will swap them out frequently,
Everything you’ve said is true but unless you’re riding a lot in the rain or on mountainous terrain then rim brakes are fine. GCN did a stopping distance test recently and the difference at 40kph to zero was only an bike length in the dry with carbon rims. 2 lengths in the wet.
I use aluminium rims and rarely ride in the wet. I don’t need the complexity or expense of disc brakes and I’ve never had to replace a wheel for brake wear. Unfortunately there are very few new bike options available with rim brakes but I’m going to be fine for a few years yet.
Disc brakes are not more complex in fact they are simpler then rim brakes as there is less to go wrong and they require less maintenance to keep them in tune. Also 2 bikes lengths is the difference between eating a car or not eating a car.
@@coldforgedcowboy We’re probably not going to agree but I can install and set up a rim brake : cables, brake pads etc myself with basic tools. I could not do that with a disc brake. I only quoted the GCN test because the difference is very small. If you need the extra braking performance and you’re happy to pay $1000 or more for it then good for you.
@@shaunhoulahan4080 While disc brakes are more difficult to set up because of the disc brakes hoses once they are set up they require very little maintenance other than changing pads, and occasionally cleaning and lubricating the caliaper piston. With rim brakes you have continually keep adjusting them because of pad wear and cable stretch.
A bike length (2 in the wet)? That's a lot
"Complexity of disc brakes"
Errrr...such as? I have 2.5 disc brake bikes (one has rim at the back, kinky!). Pretty simple, really. Bikes aren't complicated.
Concerning the durabiility issue, isnt most of the high end gear essentially race day tech. Long term durability isnt the focus as it just has to make it through a race with the idea that the bike will be overhauled afterwards.
if youre a light weight rider riding on flat roads, then carbon wheel rim brakes is fine
I'm heavy, ride in the mountains and road race on rim brake carbon wheels without problem. I also MTB and gravel ride with disc brakes for the advantages there.
@@insquares It's all good until you have to make an emergency stop.
So, fine for like 5% of riders?
I've never worn out a rim. The only time I ride in the rain is in a race. Disc brakes are great for racing in the rain. I raced from 1985 to 2017. That last year, I only had one rainy race, where a few riders had disc brakes. I got gapped in every turn of the criterium. The three top riders with disc brakes finally got away from me, because of my rim brakes. When everyone had rim brakes, there was no advantage.
Disc brakes might be necessary in the UK, since it rains 200 days a year, but I get it three or four days a month.
Funny Ollie Gray said how resilient carbon brake tracks are. Hunt told me my rims were goosed after under 2000 miles and offered no solution.
Super easy to maintain and better performance, I don't agree with this. Rim brakes last longer and they're super cheap.
Someone mentioned the Aribrakes can lock your wheels even faster than hydraulic brakes, waiting for that to happen before upgrading.
02:09 "steel used to be common"
It was, and it was horrific. In the wet...🤕
Rim brakes definitely work fine in the rain.. seems like you’ve never actually ridden rim brakes before. Smh.
rim brakes on carbon rims don't work as well in the rain as disc brakes. especially if it's cold.
@@roadcc yeah that’s not true at all. Ridden in cold and wet recently and had better braking performance than all the other riders on disc. And much much quieter at that.
@@roadcc why is the Automatic assumption that a person on rim brakes is riding carbon rims 🤔 Alloys will always be better than carbon, in the dry and the wet🚲☔
Wearing out your rims was literally the first thing "they" told me
In over 30 years of racing / riding I've never heard of anyone wearing down their rim brake wheels to the point that they needed to be replaced . Not one. People ride Eroica on 40+ year old rim wheels with no complaints. How is this even a "thing" that should be mentioned?
l prefer RIM BRAKES on my road bikes and DISC BRAKES on my MTB s . ALLOY WHEELS WITH RIM BRAKES works fine for me for decades and l can fix adjust repair replace all of it myself !! l m a mechanic and have no wish to set up hydro brakes on a bicycle whatsoever !! My MTB s are mechanical too for now :) JUST REMEMBER ALL RACE ROAD BIKES ARE LIGHTER WITH RIM BRAKES !!
More disc brake marketing BS… as someone that rides both and own a bike shop - rim brake is my choice.
rim brakes are great love them
The disc brake is pretty much safer
Last time i otb because my rim brake in the front instantly brake even tho i am not braking
i add oils and wax to my carbon brake track to reduce friction, so they dont bite so much.
i have a 26x13/8 roadster and the wheels are stainless steel rims, the gearhub is marked 1947, so i guess thats how old the rims are! guess what? theyre as good as the day they were made!
I have both and there’s no doubt discs are better, especially on my winter bike in the wet. On my dry weather bike (yes we all have them) rim brakes are fine. We are fortunate that equipment now is better than it’s ever been, It’s called progress but if you listened to most of the old school we’d all still be riding cane rims and twin sprockets.
How long have rim brakes been around????? LOL
most of the time ppl break is not needed. all of my rims fail before the track wears out. i'v been on the same set of pads for 5 years and the rims have long since failed.
The pads are sacrificial. Get a grip.
I used to have steel rims a LONG time age. You could buy brake blocks that would improve the braking by having a piece of leather on the block. It was OK until a piece of leather came away from the block. My alloy rims have lasted over 20 years. They have for 3 reasons. 1) They have a ceramic coating on the braking track. 2) They have over time been stored in the loft as they are practically deadly in the wet. There is not coefficient of drag when they first get wet. Then when the brake block can connect with the rim. It's maximum uncontrolled braking as the rear is locked and 100% of the braking is done using the front wheel.3) I will never use those deadly rims when it's wet. Until I can get a disc road bike I will be having a set of wheels rebuilt with 100% alloy rims.
My first roadbike had a gaspipe frame and steel rims, was a nightmare getting it to brake, had to use my shoe rubber on many occasions.
Coefficent of friction you mean?
Not my experience of ceramic rims AT ALL. They work brilliantly in the wet and dry. Maybe you used the wrong pads. Some people just aren't experienced at braking in the wet because they are fair weather cyclists. Who on earth would think it's a good idea to use the FRONT brake in the wet!!😂
disc rotors and pads are cheap?? and rim brake pads expensive? are you effing kidding me?? LoLoLoL
you don't spend an awful lot of time buying rotors, though. and rotors are cheaper than rims!
lol, rim or discs, cyclists specially westeners buy new bikes and wheelsets every year when the new paint scheme come out. so your argument is false.
Any data to share?
Nuts and bolts for front suspension
Rimbrake tech is stalling BS...rim braketech reached its goal long ago😂
Which Brakes?
Underlying message: Disk brakes are better because if you're still riding rim brakes you aren't buying an overpriced disk brake bike from one of makers that help "influencers" make money.
In the wet, a rider, especially a non-pro, has to ride differently: look further down the road, control speed, brake sooner, etc. In the wet, an overconfident disc brake rider will easily have way more ability to stop the wheel rotating than he or she has grip on the road. Locking up a wheel is way worse than a small loss of braking power.
The supposed "demand" for disk brakes isn't natural demand; it is _induced_ demand. The world tour teams are all riding disk brakes (as well as motorized shifting, through-axles, integrated cockpits, wider tires, hidden cabling, etc.) because they're being ordered to do so by their bike suppliers. Non-pros see all this "tech," UCI says it has to made available to them, and they lap it up.
The claim that disk brake bikes and frames grossly outsell rim brake bikes and frames is true, but not because of high demand; rather, it's because of low supply.
My Enve 4.5 have 20K miles and the brake track is in perfect condition. Also Enve textured track brakes harder than any alu wheel.
Ridden rim brakes with aluminum wheels over 40 years without wearing out any rim routinely over 5000 miles per year. Undoubatably a quality disc brake bike will stop faster particularly when wet. However how many hundreds of thousands of miles have been ridden in grand tours with rim vs disc brakes. Proving that with the best riders in the world under the most challenging conditions, rim brakes are safe. Look at the recent Tour of the Basque Country. Several of the world’s top riders crashed with serious injuries using disc brakes. I contend, they crashed BECAUSE of disc brakes. Riders now approach curves faster expecting their disc brakes to save them. However, this requires more rapid handling under dangerous conditions placing increased stress on the weakest link, tire adhesion. Maneuvering downhill curves with rim brakes required setting up for corners sooner yielding a longer period to adapt to the road. Diving into fast downhills elbow to elbow is now increasingly risky.More will crash and be injured suckered into overcooking corners depending on late braking with disc brakes to save them.
Mercyx, Hinnault, Indurain all won 5 TDF with rim brakes. Do disc brakes make today’s riders safer, or less safe?
Discs are a gimmick. Rube Goldburg Machines.
Rim brakes are easy for DIY
this is pure propaganda who payed for this video, the uci?
Is it propaganda if you make a video on each? 😅 th-cam.com/video/SZ-uMif6kjM/w-d-xo.html
Carbon wheels are unsafe.
hmm i never noticed inconsistent breaking
Are you being paid to push disc brakes? A lot of what you are saying is pretty biased.
We have done the same video about the negatives of disc brakes, so we think that's pretty balanced
This is most awful review this page ever put out. Sold out to marketing is the sake of profit. What a nonsense about rim being expensive ?!? How about disc being expansive and needs to be adjusted all the time ? Costs 100$ at the bike shop. Right brake pads ? Like one for alu another for carbon ? So many choices I'm stunned. And what you don't need to look out after disc brakes ??!?!? Rim tech is stalling or getting stalled by channels like this ???
If your bike shop is charging you $100 to adjust your brakes, you might want to find yourself another bike shop :-)
Why do you wanna put your self at higher risk riding in the rain lol
A bicycle is simplicity itself.... Modern road bikes not so much...... The rim brake is simple, safe and cheap..... The fear mongering over warn rims is pathetic. How many millions of miles have rim brake rims travelled from China to south America and no real issues. Just bad simple maintenance practices
Unsubbed 😂 rim brake for the win
Haha this video.
Disc brakes for road is a psyop
not brake pad its called "brake shoe" for rimbrake
brake pads are for discbrake
i mean, there's 13.5m results for 'rim brake pad' on google, but if you want to choose that as your hill to die on, be our guest
They are crap in the wet. End of.
... although v-brakes aren't so bad
Push the disc brakes way don't you! You are part of the problem with pushing the costs up of bikes and parts.
Jeeze how much did you earn for the disc commercial? BS, most of this.
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Please dislike so people don't believe this nonsense.
you cant see dislikes anymore unfortunately
Sponsored bullshit alert
knee jerk ill-informed youtube comment alert
Nope - lots of opinion here and not fact. Stopped the video after you said rim brakes wear down the rim surface. The more advanced carbon wheels, If you use the recommended carbon specific pads, only the pads will wear - the brake surface is designed to brake without wearing down - the pads are designed to wear instead.
Steel wheels - yes, garbage. But don't mislead riders with that nonsense about rim brakes wear down the rim.
Nobody had a problem with using wheel specific pads.
Additional. Rim brake has the issue of not centering after every ride, it means you need to center it every ride and it sucks.