The Invictor is a decent unit and not a bad choice. However I have not yet seen him in top meta lists or top tables... the problem is the missing dreadnought (and phobos) keyword and the current ruleset allowing the initiative seizing. In an IH list I would always prefer the dreadnoughts over the warsuits (esp the current forgeworld ones, pre nerf haha). RG currently tends to use cents as they are a bigger threat and more worth the CP investment.
I did not use an Invictor the other day but I did use a 10 wound Dark Talon against a heavy Psychic Tzeentch Army. The Dark Talon was far forward making him casts all his smites at it. Armour of contempt was a God send. He actually survived some 5 or 6 psychic assaults and was still there the next turn. So I would think a forward deployed Invictor with 3 more wounds would serve as well if not better in that scenario. Dark Angel Invictors are awesome with that 18 inch super flamer range. You can actually shoot the unit behind your assault target and lessen the chance of a counter charge in your opponent's turn.
I just bought 3 a week ago, I just need to paint them under the Ultramarine banner. Big fan of your work, in a way I don’t want anyone to know about this high level data, but in truth it needs to be known to keep the scene strong
OK. OK. Hold on. It has a heavy bolter as a side arm. Cool. In melee combat it can shoot the heavy bolter as if it were a pistol. Cool. Cool cool cool. Then it punches with its fist. So... what exactly is shooting the heavy bolter? Is he juggling the damn thing? Is there a cod-piece mount? What am I missing here?
He has a holster. He just sticks it in the holster to punch and pulls it out to shoot. If you look at his hip you can see the little metal holster he can stick the heavy botler into. You can even model it holstered.
There's a bunch of weird oddities in how models handle weapons. Captains have: 1 Bolt Pistol, 1 MC Boltgun, and 1 Chainsword. You can replace his boltgun with a pistol--say Plasma for maximum Cypher silliness--and his chainsword with a Thunder Hammer, a 2-handed melee weapon. So your captain can whip out two pistols, fire them in close quarters, then holster them, draw his big Thunder Hammer, and then smash the enemy.
I at least use 2 of these bad boys for my Scars. They are a great threat and they have to get focused turn 1 leaving my Bikes pretty much untouched and can roll up turn 1 and start opening fire. My Bikes are the heart of my Army so losing these guys isn't to bad. I love them.
@@auspextactics Exactly. And you know as well as I do that putting heavy pressure on your enemy makes them mess up. That's all my focus for my scars. Hit Hard and fast so they cant really figure out what to target haha.
When you do these analysis videos can you give suggestions on how to counter the unit. My friend is using 2 of these so I need to know how to counter it.
I fell it has like it needs more wonds way two ezy two kill in my meta one gd disco lord and it's gone I just find the giv first blood way two ezaly is all same gose for all the none dred not caricktor
I'm hoping GW rebalances all this primaris crap in ninth edition. The reason these things are so good is to make people buy the models, anyone remember grav-guns in seventh?
@@samthompson7568 That will always be the case with 40K. Every single edition, and its different phases, will have built-in OP units to increase the sale of the product. Now, it is all things Primaris.
I'm hoping GW rebalances all this primaris crap in ninth edition. The reason these things are so good is to make people buy the models, anyone remember grav-guns in seventh?
marc arthur I suppose you want to keep your cake and eat it too ....... Like are you serious ? It has 5 more wounds than a normal dread , infiltration , heaps of dakka and T6 is fine for what is effectively an open topped walker
@@mathewkelly9968 no I just find most modals in the space marens are a bit under costed and some but I fell drednots need more wonss thats all in are meta that's all
The Invictor is a decent unit and not a bad choice. However I have not yet seen him in top meta lists or top tables... the problem is the missing dreadnought (and phobos) keyword and the current ruleset allowing the initiative seizing. In an IH list I would always prefer the dreadnoughts over the warsuits (esp the current forgeworld ones, pre nerf haha). RG currently tends to use cents as they are a bigger threat and more worth the CP investment.
I did not use an Invictor the other day but I did use a 10 wound Dark Talon against a heavy Psychic Tzeentch Army. The Dark Talon was far forward making him casts all his smites at it. Armour of contempt was a God send. He actually survived some 5 or 6 psychic assaults and was still there the next turn. So I would think a forward deployed Invictor with 3 more wounds would serve as well if not better in that scenario. Dark Angel Invictors are awesome with that 18 inch super flamer range. You can actually shoot the unit behind your assault target and lessen the chance of a counter charge in your opponent's turn.
I just bought 3 a week ago, I just need to paint them under the Ultramarine banner. Big fan of your work, in a way I don’t want anyone to know about this high level data, but in truth it needs to be known to keep the scene strong
Cheers man, glad you're enjoying!
yay my favorite unit in codex space marines. I hate the model but love the rules.
They are fun to use, not going to lie, strong shooting, powerful melee and interesting deployment
Check out pop goes the monkey on shapeways, he has alternate front plates :)
What do you have against the model?
Are you going to continue your analyses of the inquisitors? I'd love to hear your thoughts on Eisenhorn and his daemon "friend".
Definitely at some point, will try and keep them coming!
I plan to run three in my Blood Angels army
OK. OK. Hold on. It has a heavy bolter as a side arm. Cool. In melee combat it can shoot the heavy bolter as if it were a pistol. Cool. Cool cool cool. Then it punches with its fist.
So... what exactly is shooting the heavy bolter? Is he juggling the damn thing? Is there a cod-piece mount? What am I missing here?
Its got the fastest power fists in the western sector
He has a holster. He just sticks it in the holster to punch and pulls it out to shoot. If you look at his hip you can see the little metal holster he can stick the heavy botler into. You can even model it holstered.
There's a bunch of weird oddities in how models handle weapons. Captains have: 1 Bolt Pistol, 1 MC Boltgun, and 1 Chainsword. You can replace his boltgun with a pistol--say Plasma for maximum Cypher silliness--and his chainsword with a Thunder Hammer, a 2-handed melee weapon. So your captain can whip out two pistols, fire them in close quarters, then holster them, draw his big Thunder Hammer, and then smash the enemy.
I at least use 2 of these bad boys for my Scars. They are a great threat and they have to get focused turn 1 leaving my Bikes pretty much untouched and can roll up turn 1 and start opening fire. My Bikes are the heart of my Army so losing these guys isn't to bad. I love them.
Yeah, they're kind of a win either way. Either they draw a ton of fire and leave your other stuff safe or they make a big impact on the enemy army :)
@@auspextactics Exactly. And you know as well as I do that putting heavy pressure on your enemy makes them mess up. That's all my focus for my scars. Hit Hard and fast so they cant really figure out what to target haha.
When you do these analysis videos can you give suggestions on how to counter the unit. My friend is using 2 of these so I need to know how to counter it.
Its like a dreadnought for fully functional space marines
I've got 2 of them with my Raven guard
I have 3 with my iron hands :)
Thanks for doing the mathhammer for me auspex tactics
You didn't mention their synergy with the Phobos characters and warlord traits?
Oh I hope they don't get nerfed into oblivion, I really want to use them once I get too it.
Is 3 in a Blood Angels list bad? :)
I'd say three in a BA list is 'scary' :D
Three in any space marine list is good
lets be real it has to many wounds
Possibly, it certainly doesn't look like it should have more wounds as a predator tank for example..
I fell it has like it needs more wonds way two ezy two kill in my meta one gd disco lord and it's gone
I just find the giv first blood way two ezaly is all same gose for all the none dred not caricktor
I'm hoping GW rebalances all this primaris crap in ninth edition.
The reason these things are so good is to make people buy the models, anyone remember grav-guns in seventh?
@@samthompson7568 That will always be the case with 40K. Every single edition, and its different phases, will have built-in OP units to increase the sale of the product. Now, it is all things Primaris.
It's the same stat line as a Redemptor Dread, but -1T and +2" to move.
I'm hoping GW rebalances all this primaris crap in ninth edition.
The reason these things are so good is to make people buy the models, anyone remember grav-guns in seventh?
i thind them way two ezy two kill for there ponts they need +1 tufnis i feel or 2 more wonds for its ponts
marc arthur I suppose you want to keep your cake and eat it too ....... Like are you serious ? It has 5 more wounds than a normal dread , infiltration , heaps of dakka and T6 is fine for what is effectively an open topped walker
@@mathewkelly9968 no I just find most modals in the space marens are a bit under costed and some but I fell drednots need more wonss thats all in are meta that's all