I should note that the missing transparency effect at 3:30 actually is in the scene on the pc version- but it has inexplicably been moved down to the base of the platform, orbiting the blue ring with other particles now. Maybe this was a bug in the original, since it still fits when moved like this.
It seems like a highly visible bug that would have been corrected in a patch on the PS5. What I _think_ actually happened is, the rings being positioned high is correct but at some point during the PC porting a Nixxes developer saw the rings rotating high and _they_ thought it was a bug and the rings should be around the base - so they 'fixed' it 🙂
They absolutely break the game for a lot of AMD users. Never mind ray tracing, I can't even get past the file-select screen without the out-of-memory crashing, and when I finally did after hours of tweaking, the first area's floating platform didn't load in, so Ratchet fell right through the level the moment the game started. Shoddy framerate that's unable to maintain 30fps, let alone reach 60, and the moment I switched the overall settings to High-Quality, it crashed, and I was unable to get as far as the settings to revert them. I ended up having to refund the game. For comparison, Halo Infinite didn't crash at all, and it took no time for me to tweak the settings and get it to run at 60fps. Unacceptable on Sony and Nixxes' part.
So my boy Cerny wasn't lying about PS5's SSD at all. So people can finally shut their front doors about those claims ! And wow PS5 is obliterating 2070super according to both this video and NxGamers inspections. Tried with 3080 12gb, without any reconstruction at native 1440p ultra settings, 60 fps locked is impossible. Gamernexus was comparing Ps5 gpu to gtx1060, 2 years ago :D :D.
@@mariodelrio1694 It's been 3 games ported by nixxes within the last year. Plus people on forums/twitter are hoping nixxes port Ghost of Tsushima, Demons souls, Last of us part II(plus fix TLOU P1), Bloodborne, Horizon Forbidden West(
@@mariodelrio1694 I'm not really sure if you can call this a rushed port. A rush job would generally have much bigger issues than what we see here. It's a, generally, solid port that is generally playable across the board with a couple big issues and mostly more minor graphical issues to work out. A month or two delay would definitely have been in order here, just to iron out a few of these issues (and, hopefully, give AMD and Nixxes time to figure out the issue with RT and AMD GPUs) but it doesn't feel like something that Sony forced them to slap together quickly with no regard to quality.
that loading speed test with changing ram speeds, core speed, nvme speed, all of that is what makes me love Alex's review videos! Keep up the good work guys
@@elon6131 Oh yeah and guess what? That didn't change that the game relies most heavily on GPU decompression. And it also didn't change the fact that if you GPU doesn't have it's own decompression engine that the CPU will do more (up to all) of the content decompression.
Blows me away that the ps5 performs so well up against PCz. Bit confused why render comparisons are done in PerformanceRT mode though?! Wouldn't Quality mode give better picture quality comparison or would that be to close to a high end PC and make some people feel uncomfortable. Lol
While it probably always will be for smoothness of loading, they will almost certainly fix the graphical bugs. I think its absolutely worth some minor hitching when the rest of the time its a higher resolution 120fps experience. Plus a much higher chance this game will still be playable on PC long after Sony decided they can't be bothered with backwards compatibility on console.
I truly appreciate all the amazing work DF does. There simply is no other TH-cam channel or publication that is as in depth as DF when it comes to visuals/performance analysis
I am getting really tired of watching "reviews" with 4k MAX Settings and then you see DLSS active, how is it MAX Settings if you use DLSS ??? Bro you are literally LYING and showing inflated numbers !!! I am all for DLSS but show us the REAL numbers with 4K Max Settings and NO DLSS active.
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It's good to see it's not a broken mess. But sad it was semi-rushed to avoid August. Guess it will be a buy later next month after the next patch. Thanks for these great PC port reviews as always Alex
In real time no one can spot the differences. You've gotta pause the game to notice the difference of a $400 console and a $2000 PC. We have definitely hit the point of diminishing returns.
Man the difference the amount of background apps makes is really significant especially for gpu ram.. I guess most applications do use a significant slice of gpu (as well as the windows dwm)
Even in its lowest settings, it looks decent. I'd say good job to Insomniac and especially Nixxes for a good PC port. This year has been rough for PC ports
@@solid_justice5855 I mean yeah. People are still talking about some of those ports months later. I'm probably forgetting some games, but usually when the PC version of a third party is poor, chances are the console version is just as poor. Jedi Survivor comes to mind.
@Ayoul Death space remake, FF7 remake, Arkham knight come to mind wich were all better on console then the PC port. Pretty sure there are more. Especially games running on UE4 seem to have more problems on PC then consoles
Great video as always! I gotta say the HDD/SSD comparison was really fantastic. As someone who played this game through first time on PS5 I don't think it really sunk in at the time just how impressive the portal and loading sequences are.
@bingobongo1615 it's an interesting question I suppose of "where do you stop?" If you're preloading more and more stuff, that's surely resource intensive to have loaded at what point do you just preload the whole level? And with all the possible extra time that'd take you just end up having the load times of a normal HDD at that point. It's really a matter of SSDs being able to load stuff so much quicker which allows this to be unloaded faster as well, but I imagine the architecture of the PS5 also plays a part in it, as it is virtually flawless in its transitions. But yeah, like I said I guess it becomes a question of where do you stop preloading?
Yup, they originally designed it for the PS5, so I assume they knew they could get away with loading at the last possible moment even though there's plenty of time before. Not sure if Nixxes can ever fix that, otherwise they might have to rewrite the whole portal sequence.
I believe the difference in speed between PC and PS5 might largely be due to different memory models: PS5 probably uses unified memory (like Apple M1/M2), whereas PCs have separated "system memory" & "GPU memory". With DirectStorage, on PC data still needs to move from NVMe --> System RAM --> GPU Memory, while on PS5, it's just NVMe --> (Unified) memory. This "one extra hop" on PCs system has to be eliminated to remove data shuttling overhead.
No it doesn't have to be eliminated and likely won't be anytime soon, but thanks for your uninformed comment that can be disproved by watching this very video.
Released 28/07 - Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart PC Patch/Hotfix 1.727.0.0 Release Notes Resolved visual issues with characters occurring on certain GPUs, including AMD Vega based models. Improved the visual quality of vegetation in ray-traced shadows and ray-traced reflections. Implemented a fix to make the Texture Filtering option work as intended.
I wonder if the PS5's ability to share CPU and GPU RAM together gives it an advantage for loading lots of data - a PC has to pipe the data across the PCI slot to the GPU. Maybe not, since a second run on the PC was near flawless, with data already loaded into system RAM, which still needed to be piped to the GPU. All this said, this was the first game I played on the PS5 - and it was like playing a Pixar movie. The graphics were so beautiful everywhere, I couldn't tell what to shoot at sometimes.
Its a HUGE advantage. It decompresses assets straight into memory, whereas on PC it loads the compressed assets into RAM and then the GPU decompresses them into VRAM. So it needs a lot more RAM and adds latency.
While it can likely preload assets into memory to increase speed after it's done loading, I think the whole point of using direct streaming from SSD was to showcase this can now be done on-demand on the PS5 without preloading anything. It gives developers more freedom with PS5 titles (and makes PC ports more difficult to do).
Because PS5 uses Sony drivers and PC uses AMD drivers, completely different. Also how console GPUs work is very different, even though they're based on the same underlying technology.
Watching these PS5/PC comparisons really brings to light, just how optimization Sony devs put into the console. It's always mind blowing what the wizards at Sony can accomplish with less specs. Seeing how heavy it is on PC proves, the differences aren't as stark as you'd imagine either... 😮
Windows and DirectX is also bloated. Windows 11 itself takes up 4GB of RAM and 2 CPU cores while not being in used. DirectX 12 takes up more resources than Vulkan. I really don't understand why Sony doesn't use Vulkan for its pc ports. The PlayStation 5 API is closer to Vulkan then DirectX. Mantle was used as the basis for Vulkan and the PS4 API, which the ps5 API was based upon. It is also why ps5 and Xbox series x performance gap is so less than the 20% it should be. Direct X 12 on Series X/S is also much more bloated than expected at launch. It wasn't until last year Microsoft got Direct X 12 to fit into the slower 2 GB of RAM in the series S.
After testing it on my pc and ps5, is it as seamless as ps5? No. Everything takes 1-3 seconds longer. It doesn't sound like much but its enough to remind you that you're playing a video game where as the ps5 feels like you are actually going through a portal. But honesly considering everthing nixxes did a great job. Porting a ps5 game coded around a fast ssd and mid range specs to work on a variety of PCs is not an easy job. You can play it on a steam deck at a solid 30fps and the game still looks good. Thats impressive. Another 1-2 months and this could have been one of the best pc port ever made. Still definitely worth it. Great game.
@@TheWitch2972:33 the PC version has some weird downgrades though, even when maxed out. I think this port needs some time to be polished, as of now I wouldn't say that the PC version is the definitive way of playing it as we would expect.
@@LuizFernando-li1du I didnt say it was the definitive way to play, but dynamic 4k at a max fps of 40 certainly isnt a definitive experience either. I'm not hopeful for the game on PC either, since sony doesnt do much marketing for their ports. I'd argue Nvidia did a better job at that and they were more interested in marketing their newly added features like rtx io and dlss3. the game only averages around 7k-8k on steam, just 2 days after release...
@@TheWitch297 Instantaneous loading is more important to me than the PS5 missing a few pixels off native 4K. There's a lot more to a game's quality than number of pixels rendered. Many of my childhood games weren't even rendered at 720p
Very interesting video! What I take the most from this video is that PS5 really good machine. I men sure PC is and will always be the best but seeing the difference from PS5 and PC like for price vs performance a PS5 is the best choice, imo. I guess a PC that can handle the high graphic settings costs like three or times more than a PS5 and the graphics difference is not three times better on PC. Sure the last percent of fidelity always costs a lot but it's not that you feel you miss something with a PS5 even when you know and have seen comparisons in graphics from PC.
What you see is a game built for the ps5 vs a lazy port on PC because why optimize PC is way faster so we can botch the port like always with Sony nothing new here
Thank you for being so sensible and realistic. So many pc elitist folks trash talk the ps5 when their machines cost maybe 10x the amount of a digital ps5 (£360 at launch). 😊
@@legros731u pc fanboys eat ps5 leftovers. Ps5 is for experiencing edge tech newest games, and u pc fanboys here hyped for leftovers we have probably played years ago with like 20 more fps.
@@legros731doom had good graphics in 1993 but does it still count as good graphic game today? How good the graphics are is also depends on what year you r playing that thing. Ratchet, a 2 years old leftovers is already living in the past and got beaten by the new spider man 2 just came out, and u poor as pc player does not get a chance to play the new spider man so all u may do is enjoys the leftover that ps5 players have lost interest on years ago😂
@@zihechen3111 doom look perfectly fine even today man Just like many SNES and genesis game look perfectly fine even today and got better gameplay than most crap these day Lol spider man 2 you can keep your crap open world game I will stick to play doom mod
A stunning piece of work Alex. Waiting another month for release would have been preferable for a better day one experience, if not for a stacked August/Sept release schedule.
Just got the game today. I have a system with 5800X3D, with an RX 5700XT, I was playing on high settings @1440p still on first level was consistently getting 65+ FPS. Then made some settings based on Alex's optimisation guide, only thing I don't have is dynamic resolution, I have it off. Still in the early levels, getting 70-95 fps in most areas with some going to 65, nothing lower than 60, so pretty good experince and no crashing. I have Radeon image sharpening set in my amd control panel and have the texture filter set to perfromance. I also have the game installed on an NVME Gen 4 ssd.
Yes, the visuals in this game are still spectacular two years later. Insomniac is really a top tier studio. I've not played all of their games but the games I've played are incredible. I also loved Sunset Overdrive. Great gameplay + single player experience + visuals.
I been playing this game on my RTX 4090 / Ryzen 7950x3d and on my Legion Go. There is something very off about the frame rate. Even where there is no dips, it just feels so heavy. The movements are not spot on.
Yeah agree, using Reflex Boost and disabling dynamic resolution scaling seems to help reduce input latency. It's a bit of a challenge for my laptop in some scenes so having to cap at 50 fps and live with some framerate drops.
You guys are doing great work. I am also loving my new way of being a 'patient gamer'... The difference in experience is worth it for me and you get these game for peanuts a lot of the time.
Yeah I've become the same way. I wait and get these games at great prices. I still have new games in my Steam library I haven't even installed and tried yet. Now there are still a few games I buy when they are new, but there's just not that many new games that truly excite me anymore. Getting kind of old and jaded I guess.
@@jtjones4727 Nah, you're not old and jaded. You just want standards to be met, like in years past. I mean, I used to buy games at launch, but now, I feel like I have to wait about a year because that's how long it takes for a developer to finish patching a game after it's been launched. And by the time it's really finished, you can buy the game at a good discount anyway.
From the test's I've seen it runs pretty good. From multiple tests from people like The Phawx, ETA Prime, MX Gamer, and OhNoItsAlexx have shown it with perfectly playable performance
I’ve put the game on my mini pc with a Ryzen 9 6900HX, installed on a Samsung 980 ssd with 32gb of RAM. And even though it was on an integrated 680M, the game managed to run at high 40s fps @720p. Pretty impressive performance imo. I imagine that on steam deck things might run just as fine.
There are gameplay bugs on the PS5 version. If you jump in certain areas its possible to get stuck. I also had to reload after Ratchet falling through the level into the void after crashing on one of those snail like speed creatures. No big deal, fixed by a quick reload. Some of this video is a bit anal. In regular play most people won't even notice much of this. I am not saying Alex is wrong, it just feels a bit over picky. The game looks great on all platforms. I think when we are zooming in on eyeballs of NPCs for ray traced reflections on characters that most people will see but just walk past its getting a bit much in terms of critique.
Shame to see it lacking in some areas, seems a great port in general but could still be better. Hoping when I finally get round to buying this in sale it's fixed.
@@DaniloBeirne Not yet, last few months have been packed especially BG3 and others. But I'd wager its in the steam sale atm and this would be a great candidate for my OLED deck. Are you tempted to get it or picked it up?
For the raster only crowd, this game runs and looks amazing without RT. As many have said it looks like a Pixar movie at times. Running the game at 4K, very high, HBOA+, FSR 2, I have had zero stutters or crashes so far with a 6800XT, 5800X3D, GEN 4 SSD and 32GB RAM. Great video and analysis.
@@killermoon635 well he would only have access to FSR or xess, and Xess is worse on AMD cards but better on its native Intel cards. So in that instance, I would choose FSR obviously.
I play the game on GTX 1070 and yes, the game is still amazing on medium settings with 16x AF and shadow on medium. 1440p with G-Sync monitor, Ryzen 3600, 32GB ram and ofc the game is on NVME drive. Minimum at around 40, average is around 55-60fps.
Glad Alex is mentioning the flashing making it harde to spot differences when changing options. It's the same with those comparison shots slowing fading over from left to right. Our brains aren't build to handle that well.
Man PS5 SSD is overly powerful and efficient. I believe 12-channels memory make all of those differences. Not to mention an onboard SRAM buffer on I/O die also help the overall throughput of the system. In theory we can build overly powerful system if we take the overall PS5 architecture and swap the entire APU with latest PC tech and swap the GDDR6 with th HBM3 memory. You'll left with a very little overhead on each of those components.
Direct storage is a lie, memory leaks, massive VRAM usage to put in a nutshell ... Alex did a good job but let me sum up : game as issues of texture loading and popping, it crash with sufficient SWAPFILE on the SSD (VRAM is massive) and if you add more SWAPFILE (stutters will be introduced during gameplay) : yeah right - all in VRAM no swapfile or you are dead ! It will be patched and will see in 6 months ... but meanwhile : my first finding (4070ti overclocked, 6400 mhz DDR5 32GB + 13700K) Lower RT, Texture, if the game start swapping game stutters will be introduced and never overpass VRAM quantity and restart your game every hours and half (possible memory leaks) 11 GB of vram DLSS balanced 3440x1440P maxed out (disable DOF, bloom and blurring though) with a 4070ti the game runs pretty decently >> DLSS QUALITY = crash
I thought nixxes was supposed to be good what is going on with the pc ports this year jesus we got the last of us,forspoken,star wars jedi and now this...
I love your testing so much! The amount of testing and research that went into it is insane. The fact that you give tips on what settings are increasing performance with minimal graphical fidelity is a godsent! Thank you so much.
This ran like trash in my 3050 laptop, even using an external monitor. To get close to 60fps I had to run it on very low+dlss. Specs are: 3050 4gb I5 11400H 16gb 3200mhz Game installed on a 2.5' SSD
I'm on 8th minute, but it seems that people who own this on PS5 already played the best version of this game with fidelity on 120hz screen:) u can't have better experience on PC unless you own very best gpus, which is very small percentage of people
I havent tried it on my pc yet but on the ps5 it looked great on a 4k oled tv that supports VRR on fidelity mode. Crazy that the ps5 performs this high for its price.
this is so ridiculous, Sony has had plenty of time to get this right, especially with TLOU's current status??? seems greedy and with no foresight.... i'm done buying day one pc ports of console games. Maybe I missed the part in the DF video, or Sony/Steam promotion where AMD users were warned about RT features not working at launch????
This is another case were it makes me thing, where are the AMD folks? No RT on AMD GPUs, when the game was originally made for their GPUs? And the FSR 2 being used here is not the current version. AMD Dev Support needs to work more.
You missed a lot of games. Bloodborne, demon souls, Horizon forgotten west, GOW Ragnarok, Ghost of Tsushima, until dawn, The last guardian, and Shadow of the Colossus remake, FF16 and order 1886.
@@matkorkes1304 There are always people who want any type of game. That's why even some shovelware games manage to sell a few thousand copies. I want all these games I don't know about others though.
I've had mixed results when it comes to performance with this PC port. Looking forward to the game a lot since I've been playing all the predecessors in my youth on playstation. Before booting it up for the first time I of course checked my trusty DF review to see what settings to go for. Couldn't spot any major issues here like many other ports these days have which was kind of a relief (sad to have to say that nowadays about PC games). Playing it for myself it looks a bit different than in this review here. For the most part, let's say 85%, it runs really good. But there are still a lot of weird stutters every now and then which drastically reduce the fun of a fast paced game like that. I can't really pinpoint where these stutters come from, they sometimes feel like shader compilation stutters but then they also sometimes don't. Hard to put my finger on it. I have a pretty decent machine running a 3080 suprimX, a threadripper 2950X, 32gigs of 3200 CL14 Ram and installed it on a 970 Evo NVME. At first I accidentally installed the game on my SATA SSD and figured I should probably move to something faster. Doing that maybe made things a little better, but not how I would like the game to run. Other than that I also stumbled upon videos which would show a weird performance bug the game has and the solution seems to be to switch between different display resolutions in game until suddenly the performance locks in and gains between 20 and 40fps. I will try that for myself today but I think I might just wait a little longer until some patches make this the experience it deserves to be. Thank you for the awesome video, Alex. Vielen Dank und Gruesse aus Deutschland!
actually yes, kinda. I investigated a couple of things but I am not really sure what exactly helped in the end but it might give you a starting point. First of all there is a know issue with nvidia gpus and direct storage with the game. The latest game and driver update should fix that. Second, I disabled all raytracing (which did not look good anyway. The reflections were super noisy and full of artifacts) and lastly - and this is probably what helped most with my setup - I changed my refreshrate and DLSS target from 75hz (my monitors max) down to 60. This completely got rid of those weird stutters which I didn't have in any other game before. My thinking was that the game engine might handle such refreshrates badly since the engine is optimized for console refreshrates like 30, 60, 120 etc. Hope that helps you a bit. Cheers! @@samjones4772
The HDD bugs is very similar to that of CP2077. You can play CP on a high-end system but if it is installed on an HDD that is nearly full it feels if the bugs increase exponentially.
Ofcourse it's single thread limited because apparently its illegal on pc to use more then 2 cores and 1 thread because everything has to behave like unreal engine
Weird thing is I had the issue with HDD with my SSD ....though after a reboot it was fine so i suspected it was because i was running programs using up memory as some of the programs i was using had memory leak issues
Task manager only shows sequential reads and not random reads. That's why nvme is neccesary because every drive is far slower at random reads and for a game like this reading a bunch of small files and textures the sequential read metric is utterly useless and should never be used as the describing spec for games
I have one of the later release top end gen 3 drives and it's pretty smooth transitions. You can tell it takes a bit longer then if it were gen 4/5 NVMe but more than acceptable speeds. It's nowhere near the level of hitching/pauses you see with any SATA HDD or SSD. It's still just a second or two in most cases
You should try the time trail, on my 4090/13900KS even with a 7.1GB/s NVME the portal transitions there are so bad. Where as the other usual portal transitions are fine. I think it's because it changes so quickly in time trial, and loading multiple at once.
Time trail? On the Savali stage with the hover boots. You realize most of those instant portals are in the same stage, right? I'm not clear on what you're talking about here.
@@VariantAEC No it's where you ride the snail/crab(?) thing, not sure of the name. It's one of the bronze trophy mini games. It is quite literally called a time trial. EDIT: Just looked up the name, it's called Bugtrax. And I believe you ride a Speetle.
@@saricubra2867Its a 13900ks how in earth that would bottleneck a ps5 Game? If that the case its the game problem, dude have a top of the line hardware
Game was sadly unplayable on my end, ray tracing on or off didn’t make a difference in my framerate as I would go from 80-90fps to low 50’s out of nowhere and the constant stutter is a nightmare, running a 3080 12Gb and a Ryzen 9 5900x at 4K with DLSS enabled
Your specs look far better suited for 1440p. Even the RTX 4090 is better suited for 1440p in more demanding games and this will only continue to be the case going forward with UE5, etc.
@@MrDs7777 irrelevant when we are just comparing the visual fidelity of both versions. If the pc runs the game at 200 fps would you ask : " do you want to play at just 60 fps ?" ??
Yep, but it's from Nixxes so they won't put it in that basket intentionally. They would have a much worse sentiment if the exact same port was made by Iron Galaxy.
@@omarcomming722 I agree with that. Like you said, the only reason I'm going to give it a go is well Nixxes made it. Both Spidermans were good ports. Horizon Zero Dawn.....eventually, but like my past comment, I waited to buy that game. I didn't have issues. Though, it was the GPU apocalypse is what put me behind....Thank goodness. Been a fan since Tools of Destruction
I genuinely don't think this port got a lot of QA time, which seems to be an issue with a lot of recent PlayStation PC ports. The issues in here and also ray tracing being unstable on AMD should have easily been picked up in QA. Considering the RT issue on AMD was only caught about a week ago, it makes me think that's probably around the time QA testing started and they didn't get a chance to address that issue and the ones brought up in this video before launch. It's a shame. But at least the port has potential. Lots of features and great use of DirectStorage.
Looks like I'll be picking this up down the line when I have a better setup. My setup is no slouch (a 3700x with a 3070ti and 32 gigs of ram) but It won't play as well as it does on ps5 with RT on. I have the game on ps5 but just never played it because I have a backlog to work through but I was hoping this would convince me to play it on pc.
I should note that the missing transparency effect at 3:30 actually is in the scene on the pc version- but it has inexplicably been moved down to the base of the platform, orbiting the blue ring with other particles now. Maybe this was a bug in the original, since it still fits when moved like this.
I just spotted it as well and wanted to point it out :D
It seems like a highly visible bug that would have been corrected in a patch on the PS5. What I _think_ actually happened is, the rings being positioned high is correct but at some point during the PC porting a Nixxes developer saw the rings rotating high and _they_ thought it was a bug and the rings should be around the base - so they 'fixed' it 🙂
@@KillahMate you’re probably right, actually!
@@KillahMateyeah, the original rings look like a kind of guardrail, now with the rings at the bottom they have no support if they were to fall off lol
@@KillahMate I hope a Nixxes dev reads this comment
I hope many of the issues get fixed in time for PC, they don't break the game but it truly deserves to be a classic release given the tech behind.
They just fixed it today.
@@moho472 a few, not all
Why do you use windows spyware?
@@brokengames9020 Because you can shut up the spying
They absolutely break the game for a lot of AMD users. Never mind ray tracing, I can't even get past the file-select screen without the out-of-memory crashing, and when I finally did after hours of tweaking, the first area's floating platform didn't load in, so Ratchet fell right through the level the moment the game started. Shoddy framerate that's unable to maintain 30fps, let alone reach 60, and the moment I switched the overall settings to High-Quality, it crashed, and I was unable to get as far as the settings to revert them. I ended up having to refund the game.
For comparison, Halo Infinite didn't crash at all, and it took no time for me to tweak the settings and get it to run at 60fps. Unacceptable on Sony and Nixxes' part.
So my boy Cerny wasn't lying about PS5's SSD at all. So people can finally shut their front doors about those claims !
And wow PS5 is obliterating 2070super according to both this video and NxGamers inspections. Tried with 3080 12gb, without any reconstruction at native 1440p ultra settings, 60 fps locked is impossible. Gamernexus was comparing Ps5 gpu to gtx1060, 2 years ago :D :D.
Exactly this.
Sounds like you know nothing. This is just an optimisation issue. Most Sony to PC games are poorly optimized.
For the price the PS5 is an amazing machine
From their track record, I'm confident that Nixxes will quickly patch the game up.
I'd say the rushed port job was due to sony calling the shots
@@mariodelrio1694 My thoughts as well.
@@mariodelrio1694 It's been 3 games ported by nixxes within the last year. Plus people on forums/twitter are hoping nixxes port Ghost of Tsushima, Demons souls, Last of us part II(plus fix TLOU P1), Bloodborne, Horizon Forbidden West(
all we can do is hope for the best
it's kind of sad that we as pc users have to put up with these issues on a constant basis
@@mariodelrio1694 I'm not really sure if you can call this a rushed port. A rush job would generally have much bigger issues than what we see here. It's a, generally, solid port that is generally playable across the board with a couple big issues and mostly more minor graphical issues to work out. A month or two delay would definitely have been in order here, just to iron out a few of these issues (and, hopefully, give AMD and Nixxes time to figure out the issue with RT and AMD GPUs) but it doesn't feel like something that Sony forced them to slap together quickly with no regard to quality.
These Games from Sony on PC just make PS5 more appealing...
Duh ps5 custom i/o is unbeatable
bro it runs good... these small issues will get patched and they already released one today
@@fabolousjada5070 except thats not a issue for pc as it loads just as fast with a good ssd...
Probably made that way. Pc gets a lesser version.
that loading speed test with changing ram speeds, core speed, nvme speed, all of that is what makes me love Alex's review videos! Keep up the good work guys
Yet he didn't underclock his GPU to test that or use a GPU that lacks GPU decompression technologies.
@@VariantAEC that's because the variables are too many. Someone with your name should know
@@user-s8jb3qb6y
DirectS 1.0 - 1.2.1 (just released) all rely most on HW accelerated GPU decompression.
How does DF not know that?
@@VariantAEC they talked about that in the video - not all decompression is GPU decompression, and GPU decompression is plenty fast.
@@elon6131
Oh yeah and guess what? That didn't change that the game relies most heavily on GPU decompression. And it also didn't change the fact that if you GPU doesn't have it's own decompression engine that the CPU will do more (up to all) of the content decompression.
Great video Alex! Very good to show the impact of background programs. Would have never thougth they would impact GPU performance.
16:52
Is that technically irrelevant now because both AMD and Intel have iGPUs?
considering everything is electron hog apps now i'm not surprised
Yeah, background programs occupying VRAM sound so unintuitive to me.
@@weaverquest This is why an ideal system should have both an iGPU and a dGPU.
Blows me away that the ps5 performs so well up against PCz. Bit confused why render comparisons are done in PerformanceRT mode though?! Wouldn't Quality mode give better picture quality comparison or would that be to close to a high end PC and make some people feel uncomfortable. Lol
Alex's content is beyond anything else in the TH-cam PC gaming space. I just love every detail in each video. Excellent work again!
As a PC gamer I must agree Alex videos are fantastic
So the PS5 version is superior, as always. PC gaming never stops making me laugh.
It was a ps5 exclusive, made for ps5.
While it probably always will be for smoothness of loading, they will almost certainly fix the graphical bugs. I think its absolutely worth some minor hitching when the rest of the time its a higher resolution 120fps experience. Plus a much higher chance this game will still be playable on PC long after Sony decided they can't be bothered with backwards compatibility on console.
Great to see a developer offering their own form of upscaling technology
I truly appreciate all the amazing work DF does. There simply is no other TH-cam channel or publication that is as in depth as DF when it comes to visuals/performance analysis
fuel console was u mean lol
I love DF but there most certainly is. NX Gamer a.k.a Michael Thompson does. And he's actually more knowledgable than DF. But they are both great.
wow a normal comment thank you
@@Exlee-dq9uo NX Gamer is great too they are all great
NX Gamer is better than DF
I am getting really tired of watching "reviews" with 4k MAX Settings and then you see DLSS active, how is it MAX Settings if you use DLSS ??? Bro you are literally LYING and showing inflated numbers !!! I am all for DLSS but show us the REAL numbers with 4K Max Settings and NO DLSS active.
PS5 for the win again. Best place to play PS5 games is on a PS5. It is good to have choices though
Max spec PC portal sequences still slower than the PS5 is interesting
Finally, the deep dive is here
Not deep enough, i want 24 hours long videos 😢
Jesus is the only way to heaven
Being a good person won’t get you there
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
1 John 1:9 ESV
Repent from your sin(disobedience to God) and turn to God and follow Him so that you will be saved
“No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”
Luke 13:3 ESV’
Where's the deep dive?
Yet you still can't even end a sentence.
@feetyeet8538 learning a skill or trade is more useful than memorising passages in a man-made book
Shame it's unplayable. Non stop crashing. RTX 4090 i913900k.
It's good to see it's not a broken mess. But sad it was semi-rushed to avoid August. Guess it will be a buy later next month after the next patch. Thanks for these great PC port reviews as always Alex
It's totally broken for me. Just crashes all the time. Totally unplayable.
@@symmetryofzeroGet a refund from steam and wait until it’s fixed then
I'll buy it on first decent sale. Not paying £50 for an over 2 years old game.
In real time no one can spot the differences. You've gotta pause the game to notice the difference of a $400 console and a $2000 PC. We have definitely hit the point of diminishing returns.
You are crazy my mid range pc does not even run this game at 30 fps this port is bad
So the PS5 SSD is no joke 🤔
Man the difference the amount of background apps makes is really significant especially for gpu ram.. I guess most applications do use a significant slice of gpu (as well as the windows dwm)
Even in its lowest settings, it looks decent. I'd say good job to Insomniac and especially Nixxes for a good PC port. This year has been rough for PC ports
Nixxes was one of Sony's best buys in recent years. They seem to be working almost exclusively with insomniac.
@ryanvetter5852 lol what a BS reply. So you are saying 3rd party PC ports weren't rough? Lol
@@solid_justice5855 I mean yeah. People are still talking about some of those ports months later. I'm probably forgetting some games, but usually when the PC version of a third party is poor, chances are the console version is just as poor. Jedi Survivor comes to mind.
@Ayoul Death space remake, FF7 remake, Arkham knight come to mind wich were all better on console then the PC port. Pretty sure there are more. Especially games running on UE4 seem to have more problems on PC then consoles
Loved the HDD/SSD/NVME comparison!
It's an amazing feat just how well this game looks and runs on a PS5. Getting it to run well on PC's with multiple configurations is outstanding.
Yeah I was very impressed with performance and graphics when I played it on PS5
Great video as always! I gotta say the HDD/SSD comparison was really fantastic. As someone who played this game through first time on PS5 I don't think it really sunk in at the time just how impressive the portal and loading sequences are.
Frankly I have no idea why they even did it is this way…?
If you have enough memory why not simply preload a few seconds earlier and have it instant…?
@bingobongo1615 it's an interesting question I suppose of "where do you stop?" If you're preloading more and more stuff, that's surely resource intensive to have loaded at what point do you just preload the whole level? And with all the possible extra time that'd take you just end up having the load times of a normal HDD at that point. It's really a matter of SSDs being able to load stuff so much quicker which allows this to be unloaded faster as well, but I imagine the architecture of the PS5 also plays a part in it, as it is virtually flawless in its transitions.
But yeah, like I said I guess it becomes a question of where do you stop preloading?
Yup, they originally designed it for the PS5, so I assume they knew they could get away with loading at the last possible moment even though there's plenty of time before. Not sure if Nixxes can ever fix that, otherwise they might have to rewrite the whole portal sequence.
Ahh the pc master race, crazy expensive high end hardware, and garbage ports. But hey at least you can play super old games lol.
I believe the difference in speed between PC and PS5 might largely be due to different memory models: PS5 probably uses unified memory (like Apple M1/M2), whereas PCs have separated "system memory" & "GPU memory". With DirectStorage, on PC data still needs to move from NVMe --> System RAM --> GPU Memory, while on PS5, it's just NVMe --> (Unified) memory. This "one extra hop" on PCs system has to be eliminated to remove data shuttling overhead.
Well IF you have 64gigs RAM and more on PC,you can allegedly bypass storage completely by uploading the game into RAM.
It's only 38Gigabytes
@@brummyuk2151 RTX I/O is just branded direct storage xd, like a RT that nvidia calls RTX
No it doesn't have to be eliminated and likely won't be anytime soon, but thanks for your uninformed comment that can be disproved by watching this very video.
Turns out only Xbots have lied this gen. 😂
Really disappointed with this port from nixxes.
Pretty crazy how damn fast that PS5 machine is. Great Job Sony with that SSD and Kraken
The lack of AMD RT at launch is nonsensical, especially since the hardware in the PS5 is AMD and it's supported there...
I am pretty sure RDNA 3/RX 7000 is the problem
@@kotztotz3530 RDNA 3 supports ray tracing.
@@Hickeroar It does but it seems to be a problem with AMD's drivers as indicated by the known issues of AMD's driver software.
Released 28/07 - Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart PC Patch/Hotfix 1.727.0.0 Release Notes
Resolved visual issues with characters occurring on certain GPUs, including AMD Vega based models.
Improved the visual quality of vegetation in ray-traced shadows and ray-traced reflections.
Implemented a fix to make the Texture Filtering option work as intended.
wow to my knowledge that addresses near everything from the 3 way video.
With the patch are people still turning RT shadows off or are they worth it now
oh lol that was fast
lol digital foundry already addressed it in the same video. :P
I'm still scratching my head on why DF used performance RT on PS5 for comparison .
Good thing I was planning to play in English, not Polish
**badum ts**
I wonder if the PS5's ability to share CPU and GPU RAM together gives it an advantage for loading lots of data - a PC has to pipe the data across the PCI slot to the GPU.
Maybe not, since a second run on the PC was near flawless, with data already loaded into system RAM, which still needed to be piped to the GPU.
All this said, this was the first game I played on the PS5 - and it was like playing a Pixar movie. The graphics were so beautiful everywhere, I couldn't tell what to shoot at sometimes.
Its a HUGE advantage. It decompresses assets straight into memory, whereas on PC it loads the compressed assets into RAM and then the GPU decompresses them into VRAM. So it needs a lot more RAM and adds latency.
While it can likely preload assets into memory to increase speed after it's done loading, I think the whole point of using direct streaming from SSD was to showcase this can now be done on-demand on the PS5 without preloading anything. It gives developers more freedom with PS5 titles (and makes PC ports more difficult to do).
How is it possible for a game built for a system using AmD hardware and ray tracing not support RT on AMD hardware at launch?
Because PS5 uses Sony drivers and PC uses AMD drivers, completely different. Also how console GPUs work is very different, even though they're based on the same underlying technology.
Watching these PS5/PC comparisons really brings to light, just how optimization Sony devs put into the console. It's always mind blowing what the wizards at Sony can accomplish with less specs. Seeing how heavy it is on PC proves, the differences aren't as stark as you'd imagine either... 😮
Windows and DirectX is also bloated. Windows 11 itself takes up 4GB of RAM and 2 CPU cores while not being in used. DirectX 12 takes up more resources than Vulkan.
I really don't understand why Sony doesn't use Vulkan for its pc ports. The PlayStation 5 API is closer to Vulkan then DirectX. Mantle was used as the basis for Vulkan and the PS4 API, which the ps5 API was based upon.
It is also why ps5 and Xbox series x performance gap is so less than the 20% it should be. Direct X 12 on Series X/S is also much more bloated than expected at launch. It wasn't until last year Microsoft got Direct X 12 to fit into the slower 2 GB of RAM in the series S.
it's just that devs put out pc ports not giving 2 fucks how it comes out nowadays
PS5 does not have less specs in this regard. it has dedicated hardware for I/O that PC lacks.
@@ryanvetter5852 It has a unit for kraken decompression.
@@ryanvetter5852 PS5 factually has dedicated hardware to speed up loading of data that every PC lacks.
After testing it on my pc and ps5, is it as seamless as ps5? No. Everything takes 1-3 seconds longer. It doesn't sound like much but its enough to remind you that you're playing a video game where as the ps5 feels like you are actually going through a portal. But honesly considering everthing nixxes did a great job. Porting a ps5 game coded around a fast ssd and mid range specs to work on a variety of PCs is not an easy job. You can play it on a steam deck at a solid 30fps and the game still looks good. Thats impressive. Another 1-2 months and this could have been one of the best pc port ever made. Still definitely worth it. Great game.
Crazy how the PS5 still loads the game faster than an ultra high end PC.
at 1800p-4k at 30-40 fps lol. I'd trade 1-2 secs of loadtimes for a high end PC experience anyday.
@@TheWitch2972:33 the PC version has some weird downgrades though, even when maxed out. I think this port needs some time to be polished, as of now I wouldn't say that the PC version is the definitive way of playing it as we would expect.
Feel they downgraded it on purpose so people can say oh My console can beat your 2000 USD PC on this game
@@LuizFernando-li1du I didnt say it was the definitive way to play, but dynamic 4k at a max fps of 40 certainly isnt a definitive experience either. I'm not hopeful for the game on PC either, since sony doesnt do much marketing for their ports. I'd argue Nvidia did a better job at that and they were more interested in marketing their newly added features like rtx io and dlss3. the game only averages around 7k-8k on steam, just 2 days after release...
@@TheWitch297 Instantaneous loading is more important to me than the PS5 missing a few pixels off native 4K. There's a lot more to a game's quality than number of pixels rendered. Many of my childhood games weren't even rendered at 720p
Very interesting video!
What I take the most from this video is that PS5 really good machine. I men sure PC is and will always be the best but seeing the difference from PS5 and PC like for price vs performance a PS5 is the best choice, imo. I guess a PC that can handle the high graphic settings costs like three or times more than a PS5 and the graphics difference is not three times better on PC. Sure the last percent of fidelity always costs a lot but it's not that you feel you miss something with a PS5 even when you know and have seen comparisons in graphics from PC.
What you see is a game built for the ps5 vs a lazy port on PC because why optimize PC is way faster so we can botch the port like always with Sony nothing new here
Thank you for being so sensible and realistic. So many pc elitist folks trash talk the ps5 when their machines cost maybe 10x the amount of a digital ps5 (£360 at launch).
😊
@@legros731u pc fanboys eat ps5 leftovers. Ps5 is for experiencing edge tech newest games, and u pc fanboys here hyped for leftovers we have probably played years ago with like 20 more fps.
@@legros731doom had good graphics in 1993 but does it still count as good graphic game today? How good the graphics are is also depends on what year you r playing that thing. Ratchet, a 2 years old leftovers is already living in the past and got beaten by the new spider man 2 just came out, and u poor as pc player does not get a chance to play the new spider man so all u may do is enjoys the leftover that ps5 players have lost interest on years ago😂
@@zihechen3111 doom look perfectly fine even today man
Just like many SNES and genesis game look perfectly fine even today and got better gameplay than most crap these day
Lol spider man 2 you can keep your crap open world game I will stick to play doom mod
A stunning piece of work Alex. Waiting another month for release would have been preferable for a better day one experience, if not for a stacked August/Sept release schedule.
For god sake, don’t play this on a HDD.
I've seen the falling in place bug a few times on the PS5 version, but that was over a year ago. They may have patched it.
Nope. Happen to a friend of mine who have a PS5 like 3 times this year. But it was very random and not game-breaking thankfully.
No, still there.
It got patched
Falling bug? I've not seen that before (on PS5)
Never seen it before
Just got the game today. I have a system with 5800X3D, with an RX 5700XT, I was playing on high settings @1440p still on first level was consistently getting 65+ FPS. Then made some settings based on Alex's optimisation guide, only thing I don't have is dynamic resolution, I have it off. Still in the early levels, getting 70-95 fps in most areas with some going to 65, nothing lower than 60, so pretty good experince and no crashing. I have Radeon image sharpening set in my amd control panel and have the texture filter set to perfromance. I also have the game installed on an NVME Gen 4 ssd.
I heard ris +rebar might cause issues.
@@ryanvetter5852 I am not interested in RT stuff. So I am happy with it.
@@ryanvetter5852 and? What does that have to do with me not caring about raytracing?
Stunning game. Still looks better than games being released this year!
it looks nice, hardly stunning
@@BattleneterDo tell. What games do you think are stunning?
Yes, the visuals in this game are still spectacular two years later. Insomniac is really a top tier studio. I've not played all of their games but the games I've played are incredible. I also loved Sunset Overdrive. Great gameplay + single player experience + visuals.
@@friedpuddycatgamer4682
Minecraft
@@Battleneteryou've clearly only watched it on TH-cam and not played it in person
I been playing this game on my RTX 4090 / Ryzen 7950x3d and on my Legion Go. There is something very off about the frame rate. Even where there is no dips, it just feels so heavy. The movements are not spot on.
Yeah agree, using Reflex Boost and disabling dynamic resolution scaling seems to help reduce input latency. It's a bit of a challenge for my laptop in some scenes so having to cap at 50 fps and live with some framerate drops.
You guys are doing great work. I am also loving my new way of being a 'patient gamer'... The difference in experience is worth it for me and you get these game for peanuts a lot of the time.
Yeah I've become the same way. I wait and get these games at great prices. I still have new games in my Steam library I haven't even installed and tried yet. Now there are still a few games I buy when they are new, but there's just not that many new games that truly excite me anymore. Getting kind of old and jaded I guess.
@@jtjones4727
Nah, you're not old and jaded. You just want standards to be met, like in years past. I mean, I used to buy games at launch, but now, I feel like I have to wait about a year because that's how long it takes for a developer to finish patching a game after it's been launched. And by the time it's really finished, you can buy the game at a good discount anyway.
Ps5 is King 👑 !!! For price value nothing beats the 400$ ps5 nothinggg no console or pc
People hyped this game to death but only 7000 players peak players on Steam even at launch speaks all about it.
It's a 2 year old game, wtf do you expect ? And not a big title like GOW or Spiderman.
I’m still waiting for Sly Cooper to receive the same love from Sony.
Sly Cooper + Jak and Daxter
Even though I have a pretty high end PC, I'm more interested in how this will run on my Steam Deck tbh.
It is Verified for Steam Deck too which is very interesting. hm
From the test's I've seen it runs pretty good. From multiple tests from people like The Phawx, ETA Prime, MX Gamer, and OhNoItsAlexx have shown it with perfectly playable performance
I’ve put the game on my mini pc with a Ryzen 9 6900HX, installed on a Samsung 980 ssd with 32gb of RAM. And even though it was on an integrated 680M, the game managed to run at high 40s fps @720p. Pretty impressive performance imo. I imagine that on steam deck things might run just as fine.
There are gameplay bugs on the PS5 version. If you jump in certain areas its possible to get stuck. I also had to reload after Ratchet falling through the level into the void after crashing on one of those snail like speed creatures. No big deal, fixed by a quick reload. Some of this video is a bit anal. In regular play most people won't even notice much of this. I am not saying Alex is wrong, it just feels a bit over picky. The game looks great on all platforms. I think when we are zooming in on eyeballs of NPCs for ray traced reflections on characters that most people will see but just walk past its getting a bit much in terms of critique.
I agree but I think maybe they’re trying to look at the “why” and the “how’s” of how things are done, not done or even bugs, by searching and looking.
Shame to see it lacking in some areas, seems a great port in general but could still be better. Hoping when I finally get round to buying this in sale it's fixed.
Have you tried it yet?
@@DaniloBeirne Not yet, last few months have been packed especially BG3 and others. But I'd wager its in the steam sale atm and this would be a great candidate for my OLED deck.
Are you tempted to get it or picked it up?
@@killerfugu2659I’m tempted to get it, but It’s on epic for 21 with the extra discount as opposed to Steams 33. Just gotta decide hah
Not overly impressed with these ports from PS5 to PC. They are not taking the time to ensure each release is optimal.
For the raster only crowd, this game runs and looks amazing without RT. As many have said it looks like a Pixar movie at times. Running the game at 4K, very high, HBOA+, FSR 2, I have had zero stutters or crashes so far with a 6800XT, 5800X3D, GEN 4 SSD and 32GB RAM. Great video and analysis.
Video says avoid fsr and using other upscaller because it looks better in motion
@@killermoon635 well he would only have access to FSR or xess, and Xess is worse on AMD cards but better on its native Intel cards. So in that instance, I would choose FSR obviously.
I play the game on GTX 1070 and yes, the game is still amazing on medium settings with 16x AF and shadow on medium. 1440p with G-Sync monitor, Ryzen 3600, 32GB ram and ofc the game is on NVME drive. Minimum at around 40, average is around 55-60fps.
Why do you keep comparing with Performance RT instead of the quality RT mode?
Glad Alex is mentioning the flashing making it harde to spot differences when changing options. It's the same with those comparison shots slowing fading over from left to right. Our brains aren't build to handle that well.
Man PS5 SSD is overly powerful and efficient. I believe 12-channels memory make all of those differences. Not to mention an onboard SRAM buffer on I/O die also help the overall throughput of the system.
In theory we can build overly powerful system if we take the overall PS5 architecture and swap the entire APU with latest PC tech and swap the GDDR6 with th HBM3 memory. You'll left with a very little overhead on each of those components.
Alex goes balls deep in the pc gaming space guys. Bravo mate.
Direct storage is a lie, memory leaks, massive VRAM usage to put in a nutshell ...
Alex did a good job but let me sum up :
game as issues of texture loading and popping, it crash with sufficient SWAPFILE on the SSD (VRAM is massive) and if you add more SWAPFILE (stutters will be introduced during gameplay) : yeah right - all in VRAM no swapfile or you are dead !
It will be patched and will see in 6 months ...
but meanwhile : my first finding (4070ti overclocked, 6400 mhz DDR5 32GB + 13700K)
Lower RT, Texture, if the game start swapping game stutters will be introduced and never overpass VRAM quantity and restart your game every hours and half (possible memory leaks)
11 GB of vram DLSS balanced 3440x1440P maxed out (disable DOF, bloom and blurring though) with a 4070ti the game runs pretty decently >> DLSS QUALITY = crash
Nice work Alex. Thanks for the effort you put into these videos. Fellow tech nerds like me appreciate it.
I thought nixxes was supposed to be good what is going on with the pc ports this year jesus we got the last of us,forspoken,star wars jedi and now this...
Current gen only games are here...
What a huge amount of work is done. Thanks!
Pc master race my ass lol 😂 you know how hard it is to optimize for all those gpus and cpus ? Lets be real it makes it difficult
I love your testing so much! The amount of testing and research that went into it is insane. The fact that you give tips on what settings are increasing performance with minimal graphical fidelity is a godsent! Thank you so much.
This ran like trash in my 3050 laptop, even using an external monitor.
To get close to 60fps I had to run it on very low+dlss.
Specs are:
3050 4gb
I5 11400H
16gb 3200mhz
Game installed on a 2.5' SSD
The title is wrong. This game fully supports Polish you can switch to it through the game's properties on steam
[kurva intensifies]
Cope
I'm on 8th minute, but it seems that people who own this on PS5 already played the best version of this game with fidelity on 120hz screen:) u can't have better experience on PC unless you own very best gpus, which is very small percentage of people
I havent tried it on my pc yet but on the ps5 it looked great on a 4k oled tv that supports VRR on fidelity mode. Crazy that the ps5 performs this high for its price.
this is so ridiculous, Sony has had plenty of time to get this right, especially with TLOU's current status??? seems greedy and with no foresight.... i'm done buying day one pc ports of console games. Maybe I missed the part in the DF video, or Sony/Steam promotion where AMD users were warned about RT features not working at launch????
How can you miss the Ambient Occlusion glitch ????
Water bodies flicker when anything different than SSAO is selected.
I say "I have not described every Bug i have seen" in the video
@@DigitalFoundry oh sorry, but for me it's a reason to use SSAO, but seeing you recommend RTAO if you have the performance i thought you missed it.
This is another case were it makes me thing, where are the AMD folks?
No RT on AMD GPUs, when the game was originally made for their GPUs? And the FSR 2 being used here is not the current version.
AMD Dev Support needs to work more.
fantastic work Alex and the digital foundry team.
I blame sony if it was pushed out a bit too early. I'll come back in six months.
If you have a good ssd it should run fine, other than that it's a pretty good port
Fantastic Optimisation and comparison Vid 😊💪 Thx👍 For Remnant 2 this would be also great when it goes out of Beta 😁
Astrobot is the only PS5 exclusive left 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bloodborne, ghost of Tsushima ect. Lmao
Demon's Souls isn't on PC yet unless you consider the PS3 verison running under an emulator a port.
You missed a lot of games. Bloodborne, demon souls, Horizon forgotten west, GOW Ragnarok, Ghost of Tsushima, until dawn, The last guardian, and Shadow of the Colossus remake, FF16 and order 1886.
@@rahulpandey9472 Bro named a bunch of games nobody wants lol. Give us bloodborne and keep the rest of that shit.
@@matkorkes1304 There are always people who want any type of game. That's why even some shovelware games manage to sell a few thousand copies. I want all these games I don't know about others though.
I've had mixed results when it comes to performance with this PC port. Looking forward to the game a lot since I've been playing all the predecessors in my youth on playstation. Before booting it up for the first time I of course checked my trusty DF review to see what settings to go for. Couldn't spot any major issues here like many other ports these days have which was kind of a relief (sad to have to say that nowadays about PC games). Playing it for myself it looks a bit different than in this review here. For the most part, let's say 85%, it runs really good. But there are still a lot of weird stutters every now and then which drastically reduce the fun of a fast paced game like that. I can't really pinpoint where these stutters come from, they sometimes feel like shader compilation stutters but then they also sometimes don't. Hard to put my finger on it.
I have a pretty decent machine running a 3080 suprimX, a threadripper 2950X, 32gigs of 3200 CL14 Ram and installed it on a 970 Evo NVME. At first I accidentally installed the game on my SATA SSD and figured I should probably move to something faster. Doing that maybe made things a little better, but not how I would like the game to run.
Other than that I also stumbled upon videos which would show a weird performance bug the game has and the solution seems to be to switch between different display resolutions in game until suddenly the performance locks in and gains between 20 and 40fps.
I will try that for myself today but I think I might just wait a little longer until some patches make this the experience it deserves to be.
Thank you for the awesome video, Alex. Vielen Dank und Gruesse aus Deutschland!
im 12 hours in without any major issues for whatever reason
Where you able to find a fix? On a similar setup with similar issues
actually yes, kinda. I investigated a couple of things but I am not really sure what exactly helped in the end but it might give you a starting point. First of all there is a know issue with nvidia gpus and direct storage with the game. The latest game and driver update should fix that. Second, I disabled all raytracing (which did not look good anyway. The reflections were super noisy and full of artifacts) and lastly - and this is probably what helped most with my setup - I changed my refreshrate and DLSS target from 75hz (my monitors max) down to 60. This completely got rid of those weird stutters which I didn't have in any other game before. My thinking was that the game engine might handle such refreshrates badly since the engine is optimized for console refreshrates like 30, 60, 120 etc. Hope that helps you a bit. Cheers!
@@samjones4772
Not sure if theyve changed this game or not but i cant even get past 40fps most of the time with optimised settings on a 2080 super and 5800x
The HDD bugs is very similar to that of CP2077.
You can play CP on a high-end system but if it is installed on an HDD that is nearly full it feels if the bugs increase exponentially.
That's probably because things aren't loading in properly
No AMD Rt when the game runs on an amd chip on ps5? 😂 what a joke. Guess ill just play it on ps5
That stutter ABSOLUTELY crushes that moment... holy poop. 19:02
Ofcourse it's single thread limited because apparently its illegal on pc to use more then 2 cores and 1 thread because everything has to behave like unreal engine
Weird thing is I had the issue with HDD with my SSD ....though after a reboot it was fine so i suspected it was because i was running programs using up memory as some of the programs i was using had memory leak issues
Task manager only shows sequential reads and not random reads. That's why nvme is neccesary because every drive is far slower at random reads and for a game like this reading a bunch of small files and textures the sequential read metric is utterly useless and should never be used as the describing spec for games
I would really like to see how the loading times scale with pcie gen versions. Gotta test that gpu decompression!
I have one of the later release top end gen 3 drives and it's pretty smooth transitions. You can tell it takes a bit longer then if it were gen 4/5 NVMe but more than acceptable speeds. It's nowhere near the level of hitching/pauses you see with any SATA HDD or SSD. It's still just a second or two in most cases
pretty sure he said it didn't affect it
If someone has 32 gb of system RAM they also have an SSD
You should try the time trail, on my 4090/13900KS even with a 7.1GB/s NVME the portal transitions there are so bad. Where as the other usual portal transitions are fine. I think it's because it changes so quickly in time trial, and loading multiple at once.
Time trail?
On the Savali stage with the hover boots. You realize most of those instant portals are in the same stage, right? I'm not clear on what you're talking about here.
@@VariantAEC No it's where you ride the snail/crab(?) thing, not sure of the name. It's one of the bronze trophy mini games. It is quite literally called a time trial. EDIT: Just looked up the name, it's called Bugtrax. And I believe you ride a Speetle.
7.1GB/s is irrelevant, that is sequential reads, not random.
Also the CPU can be a bottleneck.
@@C0manso
So in the arena mode, right? If I recall correctly it's in the silver cup challenges?
Ok, I'll have to look in to it.
@@saricubra2867Its a 13900ks how in earth that would bottleneck a ps5 Game? If that the case its the game problem, dude have a top of the line hardware
RT Peformance Mode is not the way to play this game. Fidelity at 40fps with 120Hz. Especially not for a PC comparison.
Game was sadly unplayable on my end, ray tracing on or off didn’t make a difference in my framerate as I would go from 80-90fps to low 50’s out of nowhere and the constant stutter is a nightmare, running a 3080 12Gb and a Ryzen 9 5900x at 4K with DLSS enabled
Cap it at 60 and VRR should hide the rest?
It’s the vram. I’m playing at 1440p and it’s using 11.5gb’s with everything maxed out on a 3090 and I’m totally fine
@@steveco1800 didn’t make much a difference, I already refunded it and bought it on PS5 since it’s 29.40$ rn
im dealing with constant stutter too. i9/4090 no clue how to fix this, very frustrating
Your specs look far better suited for 1440p. Even the RTX 4090 is better suited for 1440p in more demanding games and this will only continue to be the case going forward with UE5, etc.
maybe sony does that on purpose so that the games doesn't look better than the PS5
atleast my PC friend can't brag about his 4090 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why are you not comparing it with the Quality mode on ps5?
Do you want to play at 30fps?
@@MrDs7777no buddy its at 60 fps 4k lol for 400 bucks
@@MrDs7777 irrelevant when we are just comparing the visual fidelity of both versions. If the pc runs the game at 200 fps would you ask : " do you want to play at just 60 fps ?" ??
@@fabolousjada5070 PS5 quality isn’t 4k. It’s upscaled.
@@greenergrassgames you make no sense
It’s 2023, if you are still gaming on an HDD on your PC are you really gaming at all? You can get a standard 1 TB SSD for $35
If they iron out some of the kinks, this game can truly be an amazing showcase of scalability on PC
Hahaha, do AMD fans still say AMD GPUs are better because it’s what’s in the consoles?
Not if you modern features I guess.
Another trash porting by sony
Your problem
@@chummygun cracked It and uninstalled after 2 hours, idk
So do we add R&C to the ever growing list of needs to be fixed at launch games for PC? Glad I stopped buying games at launch
Yep, but it's from Nixxes so they won't put it in that basket intentionally. They would have a much worse sentiment if the exact same port was made by Iron Galaxy.
@@omarcomming722 I agree with that. Like you said, the only reason I'm going to give it a go is well Nixxes made it. Both Spidermans were good ports. Horizon Zero Dawn.....eventually, but like my past comment, I waited to buy that game. I didn't have issues. Though, it was the GPU apocalypse is what put me behind....Thank goodness. Been a fan since Tools of Destruction
The major advantage consoles have over PCs is a uniform global architecture, which means only a tiny fraction of it's potential is wasted on overhead.
Alex is a true blessing for PC gamers. Keep up the great work
Indeed. Who else would we look to for pointing out problematic depictions of women in video games?
God, imagine a Mario or Zelda with these graphics..
I genuinely don't think this port got a lot of QA time, which seems to be an issue with a lot of recent PlayStation PC ports. The issues in here and also ray tracing being unstable on AMD should have easily been picked up in QA. Considering the RT issue on AMD was only caught about a week ago, it makes me think that's probably around the time QA testing started and they didn't get a chance to address that issue and the ones brought up in this video before launch. It's a shame. But at least the port has potential. Lots of features and great use of DirectStorage.
QA testing started way before a week ago
@@Phil_529 😁
Looks like I'll be picking this up down the line when I have a better setup. My setup is no slouch (a 3700x with a 3070ti and 32 gigs of ram) but It won't play as well as it does on ps5 with RT on. I have the game on ps5 but just never played it because I have a backlog to work through but I was hoping this would convince me to play it on pc.