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I sold my studio during Covid. It was setup just like that, only I had a Mackie 24=8 and 3 MOTU 1224s into my Mac Pro running Logic and Studio ONE.
That Diagram helped a lot! Thank you for that man. Bless up.
I found a pair of 5 inch Powered Mackie speakers, now I’ll have two focusrite amps, a Scarlett 2018 and the focus rite so I’ll have two independent recording setups. I’ll use one for my Korg 16 track and the other for my Mac. I like having the Korg for ease of recording and the garage band for fine adjustments mixing down. It’s taken 15 years for me to finally have the setup I like for recording guitar instrumentals. I really appreciate your video do help me to have a video roadmap. Thank you.
PERFECT! I NEEDED to watch this. In the process of setting up my studio JUST like this. Thank you.
Cool! Have fun recording and mixing!
@@ZedMartyProduction So should I leave my Monitor 1/2 outs, open on both my Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 interfaces? Should my mixer (Soundcraft LX7ii) go to my speakers?
Yes, speakers to the monitor outputs of the mixer.
I have a similar board. Happy to see this ..so once you do you're mix on the board add compressor,effects etc. How will I return the signal back to the DAW..and maintain those effects coz that's all I want. EQ on the board return it and export. No time for too much plugins . Thank you.
You basically just record back the Main Mix output. Create a stereo track in the DAW and set the input wherever the Main Mix is coming into the converters.
@@ZedMartyProduction Thank you. On it
Hi and appreciate your time with demonstrating your hybrid setup.
I also have a similar hybrid setup.
My question if you could advise is I am feeding my line in’s from my interfaces and wonder if I would do better coming into my tape returns?
I’m recording directly into my audio interface.
I’m trying to see what benefit I would have over either.
Of course via the tape returns you have no gain control, but wonder really if that is something that is not required, less of a job gain staging signals into console.
Appreciate your view on the subject and thank you kindly
John.
Hey! I would recommend using the Tape Returns, as they are intended to use for mixing. You also don't introduce another preamp/gain stage and probably have less noise overall then. I always used the Tape Returns with that console and used volume/gain trim in the DAW to feed the mixer with an appropriate signal.
Bro your a legend FINALLY someone who explains the vitals etc .. great diagram too !!
thanks mate :)
Very helpful but I almost feel like it would be easier to get the sounds " I to the box" but then have sends and returns out to the hardware. Also saves on space. Looks awesome having a big console in front though, inspiring.
Exactly what I’ve been looking for! Awesome 👏
Bro amazing series! I've seen every single one! Thanks for sharing. I am just think how this could work with a patch bay connecting the console, external processing, exernal pre amps and an audio interface.
I have one of those boards in storage. Was getting out the old equipment to equip my studio and am planning on selling it, but seeing your rig makes me want to get it out and see how it'd do with my current setup. Was going to go all digi with a presonus board. I do like this console however so maybe I will mimic your setup. It's similar to the plan I had when I got that board.
Sounds good to me! You can always sell it later if you don't like the workflow.
Hey, I used to be the assistant customer service manager at Nakamichi in the mid-1980's. :)
Cool to see great gear still around.
Yes, it is a really great machine! I still have it and it is working perfectly.
can you show overview of how this digital - Analogue- Daw are configured as intial ?
Hi why have you got the sub group displays covered ?? With a keyboard?? Have you got a dead display ?? Iv just bought a lovely unused 8000a like yours and can't get a flicker out of any of the eight displays no matter where I send my signal. Is there a way you can describe for me to test them with step by step route, with say a mic. Thank you for your great video
Dear sir, your demo is very nice and mind clear!!!! I am a beginner to Hybrid mixing. I need to know the meaning of Hybrid mixing???? What's it stand for????
Basically using ur Daw and its pluggins to produce and routing the signal to the analog console and other hardwares,...so basically it means using software and hardware together. .i hope that helps..
Great walk through! I came here because I've got the MX8000. I bought it a year ago. My first real mixer. Began with electronic music in 1990, soon got a synth and another. Not many, summed them together with simple mixers without eq, aux etc. Now I've got 2 x M-Audio Delta 1010LT and obviously need quite a few cables more :D Getting there slowly, to the point where I should have been in the 90's already. I have (reluctantly) tested the aux send with analog distortion pedal and I was surprised: very quiet, very usable! Pre-fader send for 100% wet sound. Today you may get these desks like at 200 eur. Why to get one? For me it was the gear with analog outputs. And it is a cheap course into studio mixing :) My MX8000 had crackling / non-connecting switches. Luckily you can drop contact agent in at the shaft, after lifting the switch caps off. The pots luckily aren't that bad. They can't be "oiled" from the top side. Opening the mixer would be just too much work.
Wouldn't you benefit from a patchbay? So you can easily change the routing from the processors if needed.
Wow amazing setup I have been searching for years
+Jake Gooder can't reply directly to your comment, missing reply button... Anyhow, yes it should work with the SX3242FX. It has no Tape Returns so you will have to use the Line Inputs and adjust the level with the gain knob. You will need an Audiointerface with lots of Analog In- and Outputs. For example I use the Presonus Firestudio Project which is daisy-chainable, which means you can connect up to 4 units giving you a maximum of 32 channels. Basically, what you want is a audio interface that has at least the same amount of analog outputs as your mixing console.
LBmusic So would the Steinberg UR824 would fine for 24 channels?
+GOOD FOR YOU Yes, you could use an Aux channel of the board for the artist's headphone mix.
good vid .. can u explain more specifically how u control yr daw frm yr mixer .. about the connection?
The mixer has no connection to the DAW. In this setup, the DAW is first and foremost acting as a tape machine to record and play back sounds, which get sent out of the converters and through the mixer to be eq'ed and compressed etc. Of course plugins can still be added in the DAW to change what gets sent to the mixer. The faders on the mixer have no connection to the faders in the DAW though.
@@noahmusicnz thanx
Very cool set up I hv the same board and a MOTU24io as my interface. I'm still deciding on how to implement my hardware.
+Scott Osterloh Sounds good! It may take some time to figure everything out, but maybe my Hybrid Setup Series give you some ideas!
@@ZedMartyProduction how did u hook up your interface to your board your bus board can u help
Hi, I was wondering what model desk you have your console/monitors sitting on? Sweet setup and great video.
Thanks! I built the desk and also the Rack myself.
so you are running everything through your console and then running the output to the interface? for mixing. do you then send every track to your interface's output for mixing with analog gear?
+iAmDrigo Steel Only one pass. Every track goes out of the converters into the console, then I send only the Main Mix of the console back to the interface. The outboard gear is inserted on the console subgroups and aux channels.
got it, awesome thanks
:)
Hey man! I am loving your channel. I will be asking a lot of questions soon. Lol! But I will check the comments first before I’ll ask. Keep doing what you’re doing bro! Keep this going! God bless!
Thank you! Sure, no problem!
Hi, how are you? I just bought a 24 channel Sirit live 4 soundcraft. I have a presonus digimax LT and a presonus audiobox 1818 vsl. I have them connected with an adat cable, that way I can record 16 tracks simultaneously. The Audiobox has a main out L / R and the LT has 8 insert points in the back. I have connected the main outs of the Audiobox to one of the stereo channels of the mixer and the main L / R output to my HS7 Yamahas. I would like to know how you connect the monitors since when I put play on my daw reproduces everything and not what I'm routing to my mixer. If you have time to explain, I would thank you very much. Greetings from Argentina.
hey! So you want to mix with the Soundcraft or just use it as a input device? As far as I know the Main Outs on the Audiobox share the same output as 1-2. So whatever you send out of 1-2 on the Audiobox is the same as the Main Out L/R. For mixing I would suggest to connect all the Outputs of the interface (except Main Out L/R) to the Inputs of the Soundcraft and also connect the Yamaha Monitors to the Mix Outputs of the Soundcraft.
For the Mixdown track connect 2 cables from the Rec Out /or Matrix Out back to 2 Inputs of the Audiobox and create a Stereo track with the corresponding inputs.
LB music: you the best man, great tutorials; I am a filmmaker not necessarily a sounds engineer, but I love music. I've been trying to find a cheap convenient way to have my analog mixer connect with my digital workstation, which will allows me to mix my movies, have different musicians comes in to help creates soundtrack, now I understand.. thanks a bunch bro. you just saved a lot of money. once again great tutorials
You're welcome! Great that my video could help you!
No problme my friend and your music sounds wonderful.. keep up the good work my brother
Also can you show how you connect your audio interface to your mixer...?
What console, ad/da, DAW do you have?
+Franklyn Grant Converters are Presonus Firestudio Projects, DAW is Logic Pro X and the console is a Behringer MX8000.
Franklyn Grant I have maschine mk2 from native instruments!!
How does the behringer sound?
I have basically the same set up. The same daw and interface. If I wanted to route my drums thru the analog mixer then to my interface, how would I go about doing that?
First route your drum channel to the output of the audio interface (stereo output)ex channel 1'2or 2'3'3'4 etc.then connect that output to the input of your mixing console.if your mixing console has a dierct output for individual channel route that output to the input of your audio interface or route your main output of your mixing console to the audio interface input.hope u understood
Tbh I’m stuck in choosing the appropriate mixer. I’m in between a Korg MW mixer or the new Tascam Models.
I own a TR8, TB3, Korg KP3, Microkorg, CDJ, MPC, Guitar, Piano, Bass Guitar, a Boss Over-Drive Pedal, and a Boss Sp Sampler as of right now. So for a total of (11) hardware pieces/equipment what mixers are generally suggested? (including channel wise) I’m new to music and producing and would like to learn how to a build a workflow with mixer integration. Thank you!
There's hardly any signal passing onto my Mixing Desk. Could there be a problem with the Mixer? I've checked all my Outputs on both of my interfaces.
I love the way u exsplainethis video I will support you
thank you!
Hi there,
I have been looking all over the internet on how to wire this desk for mixing. Currently i am using this same desk to record. My current signal flow for recording:
Mic > Input on mixer channel > dir out of mixer > trs patch bay > out of patch bay into input of audio interface.
I am assuming your set up is:
Audio interface out > patch bay > input of mixer > stereo master of mixing desk (mixbus) > input of audio interface.
I am wondering if using trs from the patch bay into the inputs of the desk are ok ?
also would i connect outboard/500 series to the patch bay or use them as x/y cable inserts ?
thanks
My signal chain: Audio interface Out -> Line inputs mixer -> Stereo Master Output -> Input Audio interface -> DAW Stereo Print Track -> Audio interface Out -> 2-Track Mixer (Monitoring)
I use the external comps directly on the inserts of the mixer (y-cables)
@@ZedMartyProduction thank you for your reply! It is much appreciated. As I am using a patch bay, is trs ok to plug into the line inputs of each channel? Thanks
Yes, sure - the inputs are all balanced
Does this mixer had have a USB port? If not how you you hock the mixer up to your PC or Mac computer? Im trying to get to work inside of Logic Pro X?
It's an analog mixer, so no digital connections. Every channel gets its input from the digital to analog converter. You basically route your DAW tracks through the converter into the mixer and print back a stereo track once you're happy with the mix.
Thanks a lot for such a great piece of project and illustration.
Is there any other audio interface you would recommend for a setup that does not read that type of fire-wire that you are using right there please...
Have a look at the new Presonus Quantum 4848 - 32 Analog in/out via DB25 connectors. Otherwise the Motu 24 I/O seems also to be decent but it has no inputs. So you need a second interface for that.
I'm trying to figure this out. So what interface do I need to have 8 outputs going into the Line Inputs of the analog mixer? I currently have a Presonus Studio 192 Mobile. How do I set this up or do I need a different interace? If so, which one? I'd like to deal with an interface that has USB. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
If you only need 8 Outputs you can expand your Presonus 192 Mobile with the Presonus DigiMax DP88 via ADAT. It will give you 8 more Analog Outputs with a DB25 cable. So in sum you'll get 12 Outputs. If you don't plan to record with a higher sample rate than 48kHz you can also hook up two of those DigiMax to the ADAT Outputs of the Mobile 192 giving you 16 Analog Outputs- in sum 20.
Ok, so on the DigiMax DB25 outputs...would that be the DB25 Direct outputs that are pre AD Converters or would it be the DB25 DAC outputs. I'm confused about it's direct outputs vs it's DAC outputs. It has both.
+380stroker DB25 direct outputs. The eight balanced DAC outputs expand your interface outputs for monitor mixes or speaker switching. It should be described in the manual you can download on the presonus website.
I have a Roland Boss BR1600 and I sing on a program called SingSnap. SingSnap doesn't have all the effects I need so I want to connect my Boss BR1600 to my computer so I can sing with effects... my question is HOW? By the way ... my computer does not have a mic input... only USB and HDMI
Are you using the bus inserts for your compressors or 3-6 aux sends then return to the buses. Are you running your buses into the DAW? Thanks
+Scott Osterloh Yes, the compressors are inserted on the Subgroups/Bus. On the AUX channels are only the outboard FX units. The Buses go back into the DAW if I want to print stems, but they are usually routed just to the Main Mix.
I just bought behringer xenyx x1222 usb mixer, and i cant find a way to connect it to fl studio,do i need multi audio interface for this,i want to connect is to i can mix each channel like for mixdown.
Hi i have one question. I have Behringer Eurodesk MX2442A analog mixer and behringer fca 610 (possible 4 inputs and 8 outputs) audio interface, is it posible to route all chanells from mixer to audio interface or its obviosly i need another audio interface with more outputs? Thanks!
Hi Zed. Ordered soundcraft gb8. Was arriving tomorrow. But when I asked about getting it into a Mac with a Mackie big knob pro they told me I could only record two track. And not track individual. Is this right?
You need a big audio interface if you want to record multiple tracks. If you want to use all channels of the mixer you need as many analog outputs and inputs on the audio interface. Each channel needs a separate analog output.
Zed Marty Production Thanks, Zed. That’s great. Would you have any recommendations of such an interface. to take the sound-craft 48 to input and take to a Mac?
Heavy studio !
Still use this setup?
This is really interesting , and timely for me , as i just bought a Soundcraft series 600 console for my home studio.Its A desk ive always wanted. I believe analog and digital both have a place in the modern studio. This Vid helps.
@JeffreyJefferson yes ! indeed. I used the big 3200 in a commercial studio yrs ago. We even had the matching 24 track 2" tape recorder. the 600 is exactly one half of the big board. But that British sound..
@JeffreyJefferson nothing done yet. I hope very soon to have it gone over. I know the power supplies have been refurbished. (i have 2) always good to have a spare. its only been here since November. Piece by piece the room is coming together.
Hey Zed, long time subscriber. My setup is pretty much the same as yours, with the exception of combination preamp converters. Where would they go on your Analog Console Signal Flow Chart? I have a Focusrite 8Pre X and an Audient Asp 800. Thanks my friend, keep up the good work!
If those are your audio converters, the outputs go right into the Tape Returns.
Hey Zed what is the mixing console desk that you are using? I am looking for something just like that. I have a mackie 24-8 and the type of desk you got is exactly what I need.
That was my old Behringer MX8000, basically the same console as your Mackie. I have a Soundcraft GB4-32 now.
@@ZedMartyProduction Thank you for the prompt reply and I too am in the process of putting together a hybird setup and looking at your video it was spot on.
What kind of desk do you have that is holding your mixing console ?
This was a desk I‘ve built myself. Just took the measurements of the console and built a basic desk with a monitor bridge on top. For the new Soundcraft console I bought a Zaor Studio Furniture desk. They adapted the Marea model for it.
@@ZedMartyProduction THANK YOU for taking your time to reply back to my questions....I am literally building a similar setup but using the Focusrite 18i20 as my interface with my computer and right now using the Mackie 24-8 bus board , but yeah man you stuff is spot and and love your work. Keep it going.
Those are the M audio (forgot the model) speakers I had years back. No speakers sounds so great and give you more clarity than those. Too bad they went out of production .
You mean the M-Audio Studiophile monitors? Those are actually ESI nEAR Classics - look pretty similar indeed :)
Are you able to do multitrack with this? And how? I'm still very new to this
Yes bcos all the mixer channel has direct output that is going back to the multiple inputs of the audio interface
Hi Loudbox, is there a reason for everything being sent from Logic to the mixer? what is it for exactly, cant everything just be mixed in Logic with the mixer thats already in the DAW?
Hi! It's basically a matter of personal preference and workflow. I like having real faders and EQs right at my fingertips. You also get a little saturation when you overdrive a channel slightly, which can be a nice effect. With a mixer, it's also quite simple to use outboard equipment like compressors, EQs and FX units on the inserts and AUX channels.
However, mixing in the DAW is no problem and I sometimes also do that- depends on the project and how much time is available.
+zed marty, one question: On the diagram you plug mics on the console, but I saw you plug-in your guitar in the A/D converter ? Do you only plug mics on the console ?
You can do both - depends if you need EQ when recording. Sometimes I use the console, other times straight into the converters.
Hey, please help me. did you connect your three presonus interfaces with the adat? can i do that with 3 behringer umc1820's?
+Drumstrocity They are connected via Firewire. I think that's not possible with 3 umc1820's as it only allows to connect one adat interface. But to be sure just contact Behringer about that issue!
Hey, I noticed a Behringer MIC2200 in your rack. How do you use that? Opinions?
Hi! I used that mainly on guitars but I don‘t have it anymore. The tube didn‘t give much saturation or coloration- I swapped it with a used TL Audio 5050.
I know you made this along time ago I have returns on my mackie 8 buss if you are sending the signal back from the channels via the direct out does the direct out still come out with the eq settings and channel settings as I’m not sure as I’m just waiting on delivery of my looms I thought direct out would just output a dry signal or does it just disconnect t it from the main out signal
As far as I remember the Direct outputs are post fader, eq and aux.
Nice video. Do you conect your monitors to your main mix in the console or to the monitor outputs of the audio interface?
thanks! They are connected to the monitor outputs of the console.
Hey, I wanted to get the SX3242FX mixer but I don't want to use any external effects like you have in your racks. Is it possible to have a great recording with out all of those or is it needed? Thanks
+teechelle89 sure, just use the effects in your DAW.
How are you routing all the microphones ? Straight to the Mixer or to the converters? Thanks Love your videos!
Thank you! Straight to the converters.
Thank you.. I was using the Buss outs (and or the direct outs of mixer) to the converters, therefore all my mics going in on the mixer, Like with a tape machine, My thought was I could use the mixer Gains, EQ and Aux's during tracking, but I think straight to the converters would work better
It depends. It can be quite handy to route the signal through a channel first so you can use the fader as volume automation during recording. I did that sometimes when recording vocals.
I have another question. How do you connect a mic preamp to a channel on the console?
I just want to use my analog mixer for input for right now, still want to mix in the box and get my headphone signal and monitor sig. from a firestudio project. when using 2 FSP units chained will second unit receive these signals as normal?
where do you get your headphone and monitor output from?
can I get it from the second firestudio headphone output along with monitor output as though using one unit?
+Danny Vee when you chain 2 firestudios, it becomes one large audio interface. So the outputs of the second unit are 9-16. I monitor from the 2-Track of the console which is connected to output 23-24 of the third Firestudio in the chain. If you mix only ITB, you can use output 1-2 of the first unit for monitoring as well as the headphone output.
All I want is to control my faders after I have recorded it on my daw, the faders work everything but when I record a track into my daw I can no longer control that fader on my mixer :)
i have the same problem
Hey great video! I was wondering I this would be possible to do on the Behringer Eurodesk SX3242FX mixer. also what other equipment would I need, like an audio interface and converters. Thanks!
+Jake Gooder or would you suggest the Behringer Xenyx XL2400 over the Behringer Eurodesk SX3242FX. Thanks again.
Tanks LoudBox for this video!
+sam rfactor you're welcome!
hii, first sorry for my english, I dont speak english, I from Venezuela... One Question, in the basic diagram , The AD/DA converter is the same Interface Presonus Firestudio?... thank you very much , greetings
Hi! Yes, it's the same. But you can also use different ones for the input and outputs. You just have to select them in your DAW.
Can u tell me the name and size of all cables needed for a 24 channel mixer board ty
+roblox Fan boy roblox i use the sssnake mpp8030 multicore cables (3m) for the converters. Standard insert cables for compressors and ts patch cables for fx. All about 2-3 m in length.
Why do you have the Firestudio Project converters daisy chained? I guess why do you need three?
To get 24 analog outputs for the mixer. Each channel of the mixer needs an separate output from the converter.
I have a few question I'm hoping that you can help me with. But first I want to explain what I'm trying to do. I want to accomplish this "hybrid" mixing setup for live streaming at my church. We currently have a Mackie VLZ3-2404 and I want to split the channels either via XLR Y-Adapters, or a snake splitter or using the "first click method" on the line inputs, whatever the budget may allow to go into another mixer which will be for the live stream. I understand the concept of this hybrid setup only to an extent. So my question is, with mics, keyboard/s and other instruments and so forth, I will need more than one AD/DA converters right so that every source can be captured and converted to digital signal right? And if this is correct then how do I get all of that sound into the computer so I can control it with a DAW such as Reaper. 1st mixer>2nd mixer>AD/DA Converters> then I'm lost.
I'm welcoming help from all that can help along with the gentleman that made this video.
Thank you all in advance !
I think I found my answer already. I guess I can get a good laugh at myself. the converters has connections like usb and so forth !
another question though. would tape returns be needed in my situation ?
i make electronic music, does it make sense to run my daw thru my external mixer, for mixing/mastering, and back into daw? im not sure how, or if its even worth the time, im guessing its easier to do everything in the daw.. its an digital mixer with endless routing options
Hello Marty!
Congratulations ! your videos, always a great learning experience.!
I have been following your posts for some time.
I'm preparing to put here an SX4882 in my studio, to make analog mixing (I really like to equalize on the table) besides the sum of the channels seem much more cohesive.
Anyway ...
I would like to ask you, why do you use the TAPES RETURNS from the table, and not the LINE inputs, normally?
Is there a particular reason?
I look forward to returning, a big hug.
Thanks, great I can help! The tape returns are already line level so there is no further gain stage involved coming back out of the converters.
@@ZedMartyProduction Oh, thank you my friend.Very good receive your answer and atention. Great hug, good records for us!!!
i been wanting to add a board to my cubase setup ....but tell me are the faders the only think you can use along with the daw ? Can you turn an EQ knob on the board and have it relate to the EQ on your daw ? im looking for a board and daw to work in sync with each other.....yes theres a presonus board with studio live.... but how about a presonus board with another daw
This console is analog only, so EQ, Faders and Aux work on their own. Have a look at the Allen&Heath GSR24. It's an analog console but it also syncs with the DAW. There's also a version with motorized faders!
wow thanks....thats a killer board !!!
Superb explanation
Quick qustion brother I just bought a analog mixer, and it's running jab to my computer to record my channels and mix, the thing is I want to mix on the mixer not inside the daw but when I record my microphone it records in my daw, but when I play with fader of my analog mixer for the mic channel there is no signal, I want to mix on my analog mixer after I recorded each channel into my daw , how do I mix like that- and I'm using studio one / thanks bro
hi! You'll need an audio interface with multiple outputs so you can route signals to each channel of your mixer from your DAW. Finally, the mix goes back from the mixbus of the mixer through the converter into the DAW.
LoudBox Music I have my sm7 mic running into bus 1, and my Korg running into bus /line 2, my drum machine running into, bus / line 3 . My audio interface has 4 outputs and 2 inputs/ so I have my mic on bus 1 on my mixer, under the xlr in, it says line/inst Tsr cable jack. If somehow I can email you my mixer so you can help me please I'll appreciate your help brother
Great video!! Could you please tell me how you got the Firestudio's connected together? Did you use the ADAT in and out? And how are they connected to the computer? Thank You!
Thanks! Those are the Firestudio Projects- they have no adat. But you can link them together via Firewire. The first one is connected to the computer, second one to the first and so forth... Once the drivers are installed they will sync automatically.
Are you gain staging in the DAW and on the mixer? Thanks
+Scott Osterloh in the DAW, the tape returns on the mixer are line level without a preamp.
Great video but aren't the presonus interfaces (AD/DA converters) coloring the true sound of the outboard analog gear and mixing consol?
+ColinChildsMusic thanks! Well, to some extent every piece of equipment colors the sound. The presonus interfaces are actually quite clean sounding, cant‘t think of a moment where I didn‘t like them!
Great thanks! I was genuinely curious because I was looking into getting a new interface at home.
Thank you very much for posting.
+Warren JG Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!
Where are you connecting your monitor speakers? Out of the console or the interface? Thanks
They are connected to the console, it has a dedicated control room output.
Thanks for sharing!
thanks for watching!
Hello, i have an question about your Presonus Firestudio Projekt Interfaces. Do you still use these with Windows 10? If yes how do you manage the connection via FireWire? I found a cheap one to buy, but i am wondering about the connectivity today.
hey! I use Mac OS and they work fine under Mojave. Don't know about Windows.
@@ZedMartyProduction Hey thanks for the answer! I bought one for 100 euros and i am stund! Still works perfect under windows 10. Had to buy a Firewire Card.
The only thing that bother me is the fact, that outputs 1 and 2 are allways a copy of the main mix. Do you have a workaround for that, so that these are normal outputs? I need 16 outputs total and it would be nice to just by another one and sidechain them insted to buy three of them...
No, 1-2 is always a copy of the main mix. At least I couldn‘t find any way to change that.
@@ZedMartyProduction ah ok, so with your three Interfaces you have total 18 individual outputs without SPDIF? If yes, how do you manage to feed all 25 consol inputs.
Sorry for all these questions but i am curious ^^
I get 24 analog outputs, 1-2 on the other interfaces is working as individual outputs - no copy of the main mix. It‘s only on the first one in the chain that way. But I can still use output 1-2 of the first interface because I have my monitors connected to the analog console and so I feed output 1-2 into channel 1-2 of the console. The main mix of interface one actually goes nowhere, nothing connected. Same on the other units.
Thank you for the video. Can I ask your reasons for getting the external mic pre I have this very same desk I find the mic pre’s to be okay and gets me by but have been weighing up getting an external mic pre. Cheers
+Lucius I use external mic pres to get other tones, especially for vocals. For example having a mic pre with a gain and a volume knob you can saturate the signal and get a thicker sound.
How the noise on the mixer? do you recommend some console for mix on pro tools? to insert EQ OR COMPRESSOR ITS POSSIBLE?
+Micro Doulo Noise floor of the console is ok. The preamps tend to get a little noisy when using gain hungry mics, but I use external preamps. Yes, you can insert EQ or compressors on every channel, subgroup and Main Mix!
nice setup mate! :-) but i still dont get it. i wanna get my 8 stereo tracks (including 2 bus tracks) via interface into an old mackie style mixer (that needs 16 direct outs) and wann put that back in to ableton, but im still not understanding the whole stereo process right. so do i have to make each simple ableton stereo track into two monos ( left and right ), bus this as one track, and than start sending it to my interface, that sends it to the mixer, which also uses two mixer tracks for one ableton track ( which is now a double mono left right bus) ? thanx for ur help
I would do the following: Leave the stereo tracks in Ableton as normal stereo tracks but set their outputs to 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8, ....., 15-16. Connect the 16 interface outputs to the line inputs of the mixer and pan the channels hard left and right. That way you can use 2 mono channels as one stereo channel.
Connect the 2 Bus of the mixer back to 2 inputs of the audio interface and create a stereo track in Ableton with those 2 inputs. If the Mackie has a 2-Track return you can send the 2 Bus track back into the mixer for monitoring. Just use another 2 outputs of the interface for that.
Perform your mix and once you‘re happy with the settings print the mix back onto the 2 Bus track in Ableton.
Hey! So just to make sure I got it: you use some of the input channels of the console for tracking while some other receive the signal back from the D/A converters and you use those for mixing? Thanks!
Yes right! It‘s an inline console with Tape/DAW returns.
How do you connect all 3 of the AD/DA converters together because I only have 1 fire wire?
Each has 2 firewire ports so you can connect them. First one is connected to the computer.
@@ZedMartyProduction THANKS! also, in my situation i have a scarlet 18i20 connected to a behringer ada8000. Would that work?
How does gain staging work with this kind of setup? do you set the gain for the mic pres on the console or on your converters? Also, do you find any of this necessary or is this just a hobby taken to another level? i know if i had the money and the opportunity i would totally do something like this, but does it really make any difference when using a budget console vs a mid priced usb interface?
+Ethan Campbell Gain staging is actually pretty simple as this console has Tape Returns which are already line level. The difference is actually not that big, that's right. But I like the way you can just insert hardware gear without much hassle and latency issues. The EQ and the Aux sends for FX units right at your fingertips is also very convenient. I actually tend to mix a little faster with this hybrid setup.
Interesting, thanks for the quick reply!
+Ethan Campbell no problem!
So you are mixing in and out of the box?
+Scott Osterloh Exactly, plugins and hardware!
Hey !
Interested in how you got the persons studio fires all working in series
I can’t get my Mac / logic setuo to see two at once
1. they need to have the same firmware version, 2. after connecting them to each other, the first one that is connected directly to the computer has to be set as the Master Clock in the Presonus Software, 3. you might have to turn them on one by one and wait for the blue sync light
@@ZedMartyProduction I’m getting some awfully bad latency
Any tips on the settings in logic ?
Try I/O Buffer at 64 samples
I like your setup
Do you use the channel (IO) out of logic? If so how are you dealing with latency? Thanks.
+Sonicology Records you mean the i/o utility for hardware effects? No, the channels are routed to the console through their outputs. Main Mix goes back to a stereo channel.
Same here, thanks for the i/o correction and reply😊
+Sonicology Records no problem mate!
I have a analog mixer (yamaha MC3204II) that I like to use in a setup like yours. But when I look at the ADAT converters you use (Fire studio projects XMAX preamps) I see that these are Mic preamps. So can you use these preamps also as ADAT converters for line (such as keyboards for example)?
Hi there, love these vids, very helpful! I have recently purchased an Allen Heath gl22000 32 channel mixer so am looking to buy a few of the same Presonus Firestudio Projects to use as my A/D converters to record into my DAW. What I was wondering is how you gain stage the A/D converters since the Presonus interfaces have a gain control knob, are they all set equally and if so where abouts are they set to ensure they don't add extra gain to the line levels?! Also I noticed in the vid you said you have them set to 88.2 KH, do they have an option to change this on the interfaces? Many thanks for all the help!! :)
Thank you!! The Firestudios have unity line level gain (0dB) when the knobs are in the 12 o‘clock position. Input 1-2 are Mic/Instruments inputs, so those are a little different!
You can change the sample rate within the DAW or use the Presonus Software that comes with the interfaces. Newest version is on their website as a download.
@@ZedMartyProduction perfect, thank you so much for the fast response, has cleared up all my questions! :)
Sorry i got more questions, do u use the mic inputs for all your instruments or the line inputs before u mix?
+KKLL THE CONUERING RULER I use the Tape Returns for mixing. But you can also use the line inputs if your console doesn't have Tape Returns.
Could you do this with a USB mixer?
Thanks for these amazing videos. Just one question :) Are the main balanced outputs of your mx8000 connected directly to your studio monitors?
You're welcome! The balanced outputs of the main mix go to the converter and I use the control room outputs for the monitors. But of course you can use them for the monitors as well.
when you send you FX out of your Aux channel, where does it come back into your board??? back on a bus input or???
+Bret Bunton DAW FX goes to a stereo channel on the board.
be so kind to tell me how the dbx 266xs compressor to connect my sound card is connected to a mixing console behringer xenyx x1222usb I would be very grateful regards GanS
Great clip. You've just confirmed for me that its possible to daisy chain 3 presonus firestudio projects! Is it usb or firewire connected. .. and if you wanted to expand more could you have an additional 4th firestudio project? Do you have any latency issues when all 3 are in simultaneous operation? I also understand why you prefer your template set up assigning to your analog trax that already have your rack gear inserted but have you considered a patch bay?..whatever suits us I guess.... I am considering options before spending money and have narrowed down to either the focusrite 18i20/ octopres mk2/sapphires or the presonus firestudio projects...and its great to know the chain possibility with it...you cannot chain 3 18i20's ive learned it has to run in conjunction with other focusrite octopres etc like its apparently impossible without the other! which means a hassle in purchasing different types to achieve what you've just shown on this clip with simply 3 firestudios chained. Cheers. So presonus is looking like a leading candidate for my home set up.
Hi, thanks for watching! The Firestudios work great so far, no latency issues. One tip that the manual does not tell when in daisy chain mode: Fire up the interfaces before you switch on the computer, otherwise I had random sync issues with my Mac. That way, they are rock-solid through the whole session!
As far as I know you can daisy chain up to 4 firestudio devices, which will give you a maximum of 32 analog In/Out. They are connected with firewire only, no usb ports on the units! Sample rate is 88,2 kHz at the moment. (Some people say they only work with 44 or 48 kHz when in daisy chain - NOT TRUE)
Yeah, thought about a patchbay, but as I don't have outboard gear on the channels inserted I really don't need one at the moment. I'm pretty happy with my subgroup setup, everything else gets processed with plugins.
LBmusicexperience cheers.. ive seen the firestudio features and on the back are just 2 firewire ports! (Correct me if im wrong).. So I imagine you interconnect the 3 with firewire cable out 1 in 2 out 2 to in 3 then out 3 into your computer firewire port? Ive mixed in the box for past few years and am drawing near to analog mixing hence my curiosity into the multi channels interfaces digital to analog converting and gathering as much 'know how to' information as possible thanks again Your clips are very helpful.
edgeboys Correct, 2 firewire ports on the back of each unit. Port 1 is always the "Receiver" and Port 2 is the "Sender" to the next unit. Computer-> Firestudio Nr.1-> Firestudio Nr.2-> Firestudio Nr.3
i love the meter bridge looks so good!
Hello!
Great channel... I'd like to ask you a suggestion: I have an Allen Heath gl2200 mixer and it has no tape returns, just: line in input, mic input, direct out and insert. Due to the fact that I need the line in input as return from the Daw, do you think is okay to use the insert for external preamp (to bypass the mixer preamp) or is better to use the mic input even if then there will be 2 "preamping" stages?
Thanks and regards!
+Sub Noctem Hm, in that case I would actually go straight from the mic pre into the interface.
Ah, too bad... I really wanted to use the console. Thanks for the answer!
+Sub Noctem you can but you will have to unplug the daw return every time you want to connect the pre.
Got it. Just to know, can you tell me why it would be bad to route the preamps through the inserts? The inserts would bypass the mixer's preamps
+Sub Noctem inserts are designed for send and return devices, like compressors, EQs or FX. To use an insert as in input, you will need a TS cable on the preamp, and a TRS on the insert end, with the ring used for the signal, and the tip connected to the sleeve (grounded) or not connected.
Do the Main Outs lead to the speakers/monitors?
No, there are dedicated monitor outputs for the speakers.
beautiful studio and what a nice setup, simple and powerfull!!!! I see that you are not using any tipe of adat for the conexions, all are jacks.. so simple... do you can make it with 3 adat in and out for 24 channels?
+Toni Palou Thanks! Yes, should be possible. As far as I know one ADAT can handle 8 channels with 44,1kHz sample rate.
thank you!!
Hey i dont have a mac tower, is it possible to still connect my behringer mx8000 to my macbook pro?
Sure, depending on your model you might need a adapter for your audio interface (Thunderbolt, Firewire,..)
hi, really nice studio! i world like to know a thing. I'm using the same setup but when I return in ad/da I'm loosing a lot of stereo image! I'm using a focusrite Pro40 as ad/da... do you loosing some info in your studio? sorry for my eng... :)
+BlackRaven_RecordingStudio thanks! I don't have any problems with the stereo image. Do you pan hard left and right on the console for stereo tracks?
LoudBox Music hi man, Yes but when I return back I get almost a mono track... I think that is because the converter of my pro40 are bad...
+BlackRaven_RecordingStudio oh ok, so when you listen from the console everything is normal but once you print it back into the computer it collapses to mono? Yeah seems like a problem with the converter.
Maybe with an external hardware as a tape machine or some other I could fix my problem! Thanks for your time! :)
+BlackRaven_RecordingStudio or another converter:) no problem, good luck!