Charles Murray Author, "Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010" Delivered at Hillsdale College's Free Market Forum San Diego, California November 14, 2013
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Marriage creates stable children and self-sufficient families. That would leave certain social service agencies much less to do and declining budgets. Said healthy families raising highly functional individuals are also far more difficult to herd around like complacent farm animals. I don't think this is intentional, but it is certainly profitable and prone to inertia.
This man, Dr. Murray, has been made a pariah by the armies of the politically correct. He was even threatened by outraged students at a private university a few years ago. I don't think he was injured, but a professor guiding him to safety sustained a neck injury. The man catches a lot of FLAK because he's cruising over the target; the United States is lousy with a money- and privilege-drunk, rent-seeking ruling class scarcely touched by the harm its policies cause. Charles Murray sees and explains this with deadly clarity.
The class divider has been in Britain for a long time and she doesn't have colonies to ship the people too. The US has had a class system from day one along with slavery.
Here is what seem to be ignored in all of these discussions: There has ALWAYS been class dividing lines: The "haves" and "have-nots", if you will. Traditionally, the working class, as a whole, was largely willing to keep to themselves, make a living (if albeit barely), raise their families and not make waves (provided that they remained in a position to make a living, that is. Greed on the part of companies/corporations being a powerful motivator and all.). The difference is, the effects of wage disparagement are now more obvious. With automation, cheaper labor found overseas and a myriad of other factors the working class has started seeing such jobs become increasingly scarce. To put it plainly, the American working class simply has not been able to compete as a whole, with these overwhelming factors. Add in mass media and you have an already existing condition brought to light. It's not like it hasn't always been there, the public in the past could just chose to ignore it. Now, the situation is so obvious, no amount of pretending will make it disappear.
Raymond King would you say the working class was/is the middle class? Or in your opinion is the working class, then and now, the lower classes? You see in my opinion, the working class will always eventually become the middle class. The middle class can never come from anywhere else, it is a direct result of the working class climbing the ladder and reaching the “American Dream”. The middle class has never and will never be made up of people that hv made a living through “rent money”, Wall Street or enough higher learning that affords them 6 figure salaries. I work in a town where the average home is 2.5 million dollars and when I am in conversation with many of these town folks, they consider themselves middle class! Either they are afraid of calling themselves wealthy and privileged or they really do believe they are middle class. Regardless, the disappearance of blue collar work in America is deeply connected to the lawlessness of open borders and greedy, un American companies, and small business including hospitals, restaurants, mom&pop establishments, who decided to break the law and hire any and all illegal people so they could save a buck. The only reason folks chose to “ignore it” was because they could always find a job within their experience and those jobs afforded many people with decent pay, benefits, pensions, Unions, steady work without fear of being laid off, fired or the loss of a job from overseas competition. Hip Hip Hurray for the working class.
Lol, in the first 3 minutes he literally explained there's always been rich and poor people that live in different parts of town etc. The point is the upper classes were still alot more connected to lower class people than they are now.
my health is gone i was a over the road trucker all my life 32 years over the road. i have not been able to work now for 7 years and now with insurance cost ,my wife and i are going to get a divorce . being married they want her to pay 800.00 a month with 6,500 deducible ,we have been married 23 years and we find our self about to divorce her insurance will only be 200 a month with 2,500 deductible so were getting a divorece . i can't work so even if they fine me i still cant pay the fine ,not being able to work is sad i have breathing problems if i lift anything i cant breath at all its scary. i will be 59 next year
If public schools today were like they were in his and Thomas Sowell’s day, it would be fine to send your kids there, but they’re not. My kids do private for elementary & middle, and I allowed them to go public for high school, only because they’d gotten the English and math fundamentals so I felt it wouldn’t hurt them. He’s so right, but we live in a paradigm that doesn’t permit it, because of the stranglehold of the unions. Sigh
That was listened to and acted upon. You can see it at the Trump rallies where everyone has the same objective which is to safeguard the freedom of the United States which is the hallmark of the Keep America Great movement.
At 46 minutes and 2 seconds into the video, Dr. Murray is asked what I believe to be the most relevant question asked by any member of the audience. He was asked, essentially, that given that there is a statistically significant difference in mean IQ between different racial groups and given that the racial groups having the lowest mean IQ (blacks and hispanics) are increasing as a percentage of the population while the present majority racial group with one of the highest mean IQ (caucasian) is decreasing as a percentage of the population, what are the foreseeable ramifications and consequences to the United States in the years in decades to come? Dr. Murray completely avoided the question and instead took it as an opportunity to criticize book reviewer’s for having mischaracterized the primary crux of his earlier book, The Bell Curve. I can’t think of a more relevant question than “what will happen to the United States as the average IQ of the entire heterogeneous population declines?” I respect and admire Dr. Murray, but it was either ego or his cowardice that precluded him from responding to this question with a serious assessment of what our future looks like given the inexorable decline in our population‘s overall mean IQ.
I lived three years in the Beltway, when I was deployed at Ft Belvoir. It's one thing to tally this as a statistic, another to see the outrageous wealth and bombastic privilege and arrogance it fosters firsthand. Charles Murray isn't saying anything the DC elite have not been well aware of for decades. They created the situation.
Someone help me understand what his joke at 36:45 is about when referencing 1937. I did some reading and think he is joking about social security. What does it have to do with Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson. I look forward to getting a response in a few years being this is an old video. Thank you.
In his book "By The People", he goes into great detail on Hamilton and his desire for a huge central government, and his disputes with Madison and Jefferson. He also goes into depth on the supreme court rewriting of the constitution between 1937-1942, including social security, which was previously declared unconstitutional. When the supreme court rewrote the constitution to allow Congress unlimited powers of spending and alternative legislation through the creation of independent departments, they effectively destroyed the constitution, the constitutional republican, and created the congressional elite.
my belief is that this started during the Vietnam War, where the rich / or politically powerful said that their sons were TOO GOOD to serve i or even during n 'Nam...yet the poor whites and blacks and such HAD to if drafted.
Minimum wage has never been a living wage, that’s the first thing. Jobs where you received benefits and pensions or 401ks where the employer participated and included raises with incentives to climb the ladder to better positions within the company were the jobs that created the real middle class in this country. Those were the folks who paid the Union dues and still had enough monies, after a number of years, to buy a humble home, start a family, buy a car, fridge, washer/dryer, bikes for the kids, save for future college funds, give your kids an option to become white collar, hv Mom stay at home. See this is what made America great. But nooooooooo, employers are always looking for slaves or cheap labor. Take away the manufacturing base of America and give it to the Asians!!!! They promise they won’t steal intellectual blah blah blah from us. Yes, it’s good!!! Everyone will enjoy buying cheaper crap and lots of it. Yes, those manufacturers saving all that money from these sons-of-*%%#^, Americans, that wanted Unions and benefits and pensions will dry up, die! Die! Die! Once again we will hv the poor and the rich. The best social system that has ever existed. Serfdom. All we need now is a Papal system of government that rules from a god-like belief of infallibility. Don’t worry be happy.
The family generation measurement of income and opportunity. Less economic opportunity and more organizational cronyism within our government. Then vs now. " If the past is at fault for who, what and where we are today in life and if the past can't be changed then we are programmed to stay where we are and or what we are in life." Elizabeth Warren did several talks on the subject about the middle class.
I'll admit if my wife and I weren't well off on the income scale our marriage probably would not have survived some bouts of bad money decisions and layoffs weve had the last couple years.
The luxury towers in Dubai are constructed with this future embodied. Twin worlds, both elite and servant, are linked only by special doors with timeclocks on the servant side. The help enjoys their own hallways, recreation rooms, common kitchens, etc.
I am an unmarried male. I have a lot of unmarried friends. Most are successful business owners or professionals. Most are excellent athletes. Most are bright (much higher than median IQ) . We do happen to live in the Rocky Mountain West of the USA, which is quite expensive, and extremely competitive. So some filter and selection bias has occurred. Just as Murray says once upon a time men without a good job were considered bums, I wish things were so easy here. Here, anybody not in top notch physical condition and unable to (extreme) ski, or participate in other demanding physical sports, unable to do some form of art or music, along with their ability to acquire wealth, seem to be considered losers. We have a lot of illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America here. I find it noteworthy that once acclimated, many of these immigrants, in their own ways are adapting the Spartan health/fitness/ wealth attitude of this area. Gotta run. (literally)
Some degrees are just lame. Imagine geting a degree in medevial literature or gender studies and then going into the business world and fail. Companies are starting to drop the needs for degrees. Great lecture.
This is a significant strength of the US and needs to be a lot more esoteric... What if an enemy starts a eugenic program to breed top military or political strategists? I realize how silly that sounds but in a thousand years from now it could mean the world, literally.
I imagine it has to do with international competition and the increased marketplace value of IQ due to technological change. It's what happens when you have a relatively functional merit-based selection system.
Not grade inflation and people arent getting smarter. Its just that for universities there is a lot higher supply of students to choose from. Most kids in the US today go to college after high school. On top of that, they're competing with students all over the world. Given this huge supply of students, universities no longer only evaluate candidates based on their grades but on other factors as well. For example: athletic abilities, previous leadership roles, how many languages they speak and their rankings on competitions such as spelling bee, math olympiads, computer science competitions and debates. Only someone that is very smart can have good grades and be good in one or more previously mentioned.
I think that school vouchers would be helpful in the area of "integrating" our children. The wealthy are, for good reason, sending their kids to the best schools they can afford. If poorer kids could go to those good private schools both "classes" would benefit.
I think your heart is in the right place but we should make sure that ALL public schools provide a top notch education. We want to have the economic and cultural benefits that an elite school brings to the surrounding area remain local. PAY TEACHERS MORE! It works in Europe.
He's blaming social decay on declining marriage rates. Sounds as if he grew up in an overly religious family. Plus, he's a libertarian! Why doesn't he look around and see how anti-family his beloved business community is?
The best way to incapacitate anyone is by inculcating them with the kind of self-victimising nonsense you have rattling around in your head instead of knowledge.
Forget money, riches, the only way America will make it is if we get back to God. Quit letting people teach us money is all we need to educate, to heal, to home, to feed everyone. Man has yet to accomplish it after all these years. If man gives, man can take it back. Protect your home and family by using the wisdom of God in Deut. 6:8-9 Psalms 119:151 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth. Jesus is The Word, John 1:1-5 The Word God spoke: Exodus 20:1 The Word God wrote: Deuteronomy 4:13 and The Word God made flesh John 1:14. He is our example of The Trinity. He is The Law that hung on the cross and The Law that is written in the heart. Psalms 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. With obedience to The Father in Deut.6:8-9, The Father anoints us with His Word, putting us in His Son, The Holy Spirit. Build up the body of Christ by 'putting on' The Lord. Cling to, dwell in the law (Ten Commandments) and testimony (Sermon on the Mount). We know His voice. His words are spirit and they are life. Hear Him. Prepare for your future and the life of your loved ones. As Paul tells us, "put on Jesus." Cling to, dwell in the Truth.
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To think America will continue to be wealthy and powerful without the virtues that made it that way is naive
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Watching this 7 years later…shows he was correct. Our government hasn’t a clue
Fully agreed 👍
An inspiring, comforting, humorous, educational, positive, and hopeful talk plus a well-considered Q&A.
Weird.... this doesn't have more views fascinating speech watched the entire thing.
I went to some average to lousy K-12 schools but got into some of the best engineering colleges in the US.
Marriage. Hear what he said ? Why are they doing everything they can to get rid of or diminish it ?
Marriage creates stable children and self-sufficient families. That would leave certain social service agencies much less to do and declining budgets. Said healthy families raising highly functional individuals are also far more difficult to herd around like complacent farm animals. I don't think this is intentional, but it is certainly profitable and prone to inertia.
Whats more important than cramming a bunch of info down kids throats is to give them a spirit for learning and thinking critically.
I am working class and enjoyed watching this immensely. Talking the truth,and I am british.Its the same in the uk.
This man, Dr. Murray, has been made a pariah by the armies of the politically correct. He was even threatened by outraged students at a private university a few years ago. I don't think he was injured, but a professor guiding him to safety sustained a neck injury. The man catches a lot of FLAK because he's cruising over the target; the United States is lousy with a money- and privilege-drunk, rent-seeking ruling class scarcely touched by the harm its policies cause. Charles Murray sees and explains this with deadly clarity.
The class divider has been in Britain for a long time and she doesn't have colonies to ship the people too. The US has had a class system from day one along with slavery.
@@bnic9471 Those goddamn, rotten sonsofbitches.
Here is what seem to be ignored in all of these discussions: There has ALWAYS been class dividing lines: The "haves" and "have-nots", if you will. Traditionally, the working class, as a whole, was largely willing to keep to themselves, make a living (if albeit barely), raise their families and not make waves (provided that they remained in a position to make a living, that is. Greed on the part of companies/corporations being a powerful motivator and all.). The difference is, the effects of wage disparagement are now more obvious. With automation, cheaper labor found overseas and a myriad of other factors the working class has started seeing such jobs become increasingly scarce. To put it plainly, the American working class simply has not been able to compete as a whole, with these overwhelming factors. Add in mass media and you have an already existing condition brought to light. It's not like it hasn't always been there, the public in the past could just chose to ignore it. Now, the situation is so obvious, no amount of pretending will make it disappear.
Raymond King would you say the working class was/is the middle class? Or in your opinion is the working class, then and now, the lower classes? You see in my opinion, the working class will always eventually become the middle class. The middle class can never come from anywhere else, it is a direct result of the working class climbing the ladder and reaching the “American Dream”. The middle class has never and will never be made up of people that hv made a living through “rent money”, Wall Street or enough higher learning that affords them 6 figure salaries. I work in a town where the average home is 2.5 million dollars and when I am in conversation with many of these town folks, they consider themselves middle class! Either they are afraid of calling themselves wealthy and privileged or they really do believe they are middle class. Regardless, the disappearance of blue collar work in America is deeply connected to the lawlessness of open borders and greedy, un American companies, and small business including hospitals, restaurants, mom&pop establishments, who decided to break the law and hire any and all illegal people so they could save a buck. The only reason folks chose to “ignore it” was because they could always find a job within their experience and those jobs afforded many people with decent pay, benefits, pensions, Unions, steady work without fear of being laid off, fired or the loss of a job from overseas competition. Hip Hip Hurray for the working class.
Lol, in the first 3 minutes he literally explained there's always been rich and poor people that live in different parts of town etc. The point is the upper classes were still alot more connected to lower class people than they are now.
my health is gone i was a over the road trucker all my life 32 years over the road. i have not been able to work now for 7 years and now with insurance cost ,my wife and i are going to get a divorce . being married they want her to pay 800.00 a month with 6,500 deducible ,we have been married 23 years and we find our self about to divorce her insurance will only be 200 a month with 2,500 deductible so were getting a divorece . i can't work so even if they fine me i still cant pay the fine ,not being able to work is sad i have breathing problems if i lift anything i cant breath at all its scary. i will be 59 next year
So sorry to hear that.
Women always drop their men when the times are the worst.
@@rickb06 I think he is saying they’re getting divorced to save on their bills.
I hope things have worked out better for you
If public schools today were like they were in his and Thomas Sowell’s day, it would be fine to send your kids there, but they’re not. My kids do private for elementary & middle, and I allowed them to go public for high school, only because they’d gotten the English and math fundamentals so I felt it wouldn’t hurt them. He’s so right, but we live in a paradigm that doesn’t permit it, because of the stranglehold of the unions. Sigh
That was listened to and acted upon. You can see it at the Trump rallies where everyone has the same objective which is to safeguard the freedom of the United States which is the hallmark of the Keep America Great movement.
At 46 minutes and 2 seconds into the video, Dr. Murray is asked what I believe to be the most relevant question asked by any member of the audience. He was asked, essentially, that given that there is a statistically significant difference in mean IQ between different racial groups and given that the racial groups having the lowest mean IQ (blacks and hispanics) are increasing as a percentage of the population while the present majority racial group with one of the highest mean IQ (caucasian) is decreasing as a percentage of the population, what are the foreseeable ramifications and consequences to the United States in the years in decades to come? Dr. Murray completely avoided the question and instead took it as an opportunity to criticize book reviewer’s for having mischaracterized the primary crux of his earlier book, The Bell Curve. I can’t think of a more relevant question than “what will happen to the United States as the average IQ of the entire heterogeneous population declines?” I respect and admire Dr. Murray, but it was either ego or his cowardice that precluded him from responding to this question with a serious assessment of what our future looks like given the inexorable decline in our population‘s overall mean IQ.
Most everyone living in the beltway is in the top 5% of income in the US.....that says it all.
I lived three years in the Beltway, when I was deployed at Ft Belvoir. It's one thing to tally this as a statistic, another to see the outrageous wealth and bombastic privilege and arrogance it fosters firsthand.
Charles Murray isn't saying anything the DC elite have not been well aware of for decades. They created the situation.
Eff 'em all.
Women having sex before marriage takes away any incentive to marry.
Someone help me understand what his joke at 36:45 is about when referencing 1937. I did some reading and think he is joking about social security. What does it have to do with Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson. I look forward to getting a response in a few years being this is an old video. Thank you.
In his book "By The People", he goes into great detail on Hamilton and his desire for a huge central government, and his disputes with Madison and Jefferson. He also goes into depth on the supreme court rewriting of the constitution between 1937-1942, including social security, which was previously declared unconstitutional. When the supreme court rewrote the constitution to allow Congress unlimited powers of spending and alternative legislation through the creation of independent departments, they effectively destroyed the constitution, the constitutional republican, and created the congressional elite.
my belief is that this started during the Vietnam War, where the rich / or politically powerful said that their sons were TOO GOOD to serve i or even during n 'Nam...yet the poor whites and blacks and such HAD to if drafted.
Minimum wage has never been a living wage, that’s the first thing.
Jobs where you received benefits and pensions or 401ks where the employer participated and included raises with incentives to climb the ladder to better positions within the company were the jobs that created the real middle class in this country. Those were the folks who paid the Union dues and still had enough monies, after a number of years, to buy a humble home, start a family, buy a car, fridge, washer/dryer, bikes for the kids, save for future college funds, give your kids an option to become white collar, hv Mom stay at home. See this is what made America great. But nooooooooo, employers are always looking for slaves or cheap labor. Take away the manufacturing base of America and give it to the Asians!!!! They promise they won’t steal intellectual blah blah blah from us. Yes, it’s good!!! Everyone will enjoy buying cheaper crap and lots of it. Yes, those manufacturers saving all that money from these sons-of-*%%#^, Americans, that wanted Unions and benefits and pensions will dry up, die! Die! Die! Once again we will hv the poor and the rich. The best social system that has ever existed. Serfdom. All we need now is a Papal system of government that rules from a god-like belief of infallibility.
Don’t worry be happy.
The family generation measurement of income and opportunity. Less economic opportunity and more organizational cronyism within our government. Then vs now. " If the past is at fault for who, what and where we are today in life and if the past can't be changed then we are programmed to stay where we are and or what we are in life." Elizabeth Warren did several talks on the subject about the middle class.
I'll admit if my wife and I weren't well off on the income scale our marriage probably would not have survived some bouts of bad money decisions and layoffs weve had the last couple years.
The luxury towers in Dubai are constructed with this future embodied. Twin worlds, both elite and servant, are linked only by special doors with timeclocks on the servant side. The help enjoys their own hallways, recreation rooms, common kitchens, etc.
THIS IS THE MOST INCREDIBLE DEBATE I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!
It wasn't a debate you clown. It was an educational speech.
I am an unmarried male. I have a lot of unmarried friends. Most are successful business owners or professionals. Most are excellent athletes. Most are bright (much higher than median IQ) . We do happen to live in the Rocky Mountain West of the USA, which is quite expensive, and extremely competitive. So some filter and selection bias has occurred. Just as Murray says once upon a time men without a good job were considered bums, I wish things were so easy here. Here, anybody not in top notch physical condition and unable to (extreme) ski, or participate in other demanding physical sports, unable to do some form of art or music, along with their ability to acquire wealth, seem to be considered losers. We have a lot of illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America here. I find it noteworthy that once acclimated, many of these immigrants, in their own ways are adapting the Spartan health/fitness/ wealth attitude of this area. Gotta run. (literally)
When real wages are declining for 20 years, many people figure out its a losing proposition.
Endo Alley Great male-to-female ratio there in Vail, lots and lots of handsome, healthy men.
Amazing ! I want to live like you guys.
Endo Alley it’s all about you.
You probably don’t go to the other side of town
Very sad. This speech was very painful to listen to, as well.
Some people grew up in integrated diverse schools and it was a nightmare...that’s why they send their own to private schools or homeschool.
Some degrees are just lame. Imagine geting a degree in medevial literature or gender studies and then going into the business world and fail. Companies are starting to drop the needs for degrees. Great lecture.
9:05 Marriage civilizes women too. And thats gone the way of the Dodo.
This is a significant strength of the US and needs to be a lot more esoteric... What if an enemy starts a eugenic program to breed top military or political strategists? I realize how silly that sounds but in a thousand years from now it could mean the world, literally.
Well, this talk was given in a real slum.
46:31 Incredible burn...ouch. XD
How can the sat scores of "The best and brightest" getting into ivy league schools be going up so much? It seems like grade inflation to me
I imagine it has to do with international competition and the increased marketplace value of IQ due to technological change. It's what happens when you have a relatively functional merit-based selection system.
Cindy Tepper no one is getting smarter, they are just cheating more and bullying the teachers for better grades that they did not earn.
Not grade inflation and people arent getting smarter. Its just that for universities there is a lot higher supply of students to choose from. Most kids in the US today go to college after high school. On top of that, they're competing with students all over the world.
Given this huge supply of students, universities no longer only evaluate candidates based on their grades but on other factors as well. For example: athletic abilities, previous leadership roles, how many languages they speak and their rankings on competitions such as spelling bee, math olympiads, computer science competitions and debates. Only someone that is very smart can have good grades and be good in one or more previously mentioned.
I think that school vouchers would be helpful in the area of "integrating" our children. The wealthy are, for good reason, sending their kids to the best schools they can afford. If poorer kids could go to those good private schools both "classes" would benefit.
I agree.
I think your heart is in the right place but we should make sure that ALL public schools provide a top notch education. We want to have the economic and cultural benefits that an elite school brings to the surrounding area remain local. PAY TEACHERS MORE! It works in Europe.
I wonder what Murray thinks about #BullshitJobs
He's blaming social decay on declining marriage rates. Sounds as if he grew up in an overly religious family. Plus, he's a libertarian! Why doesn't he look around and see how anti-family his beloved business community is?
I once watched Charles Murray run upstairs naked except for a thong.
Fringlumz For some reason I hope this is true
this is right wing libertarian take on class warfare. this is a message toward rich 1% whites from other conservates in their own race and party.
The best way to incapacitate anyone is by inculcating them with the kind of self-victimising nonsense you have rattling around in your head instead of knowledge.
@Fringlumz This whole long sentence is great. I'm going to have to memorize.
Forget money, riches, the only way America will make it is if we get back to God. Quit letting people teach us money is all we need to educate, to heal, to home, to feed everyone. Man has yet to accomplish it after all these years. If man gives, man can take it back. Protect your home and family by using the wisdom of God in Deut. 6:8-9
Psalms 119:151
Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.
Jesus is The Word, John 1:1-5
The Word God spoke: Exodus 20:1
The Word God wrote: Deuteronomy 4:13
and The Word God made flesh John 1:14. He is our example of The Trinity. He is The Law that hung on the cross and The Law that is written in the heart.
Psalms 40:7
Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me
Hebrews 10:7
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
With obedience to The Father in Deut.6:8-9, The Father anoints us with His Word, putting us in His Son, The Holy Spirit.
Build up the body of Christ by 'putting on' The Lord. Cling to, dwell in the law (Ten Commandments) and testimony (Sermon on the Mount). We know His voice.
His words are spirit and they are life. Hear Him. Prepare for your future and the life of your loved ones. As Paul tells us, "put on Jesus." Cling to, dwell in the Truth.