At 27, with a good college degree, I finally woke up and realized that I love building and using tools (as is in our DNA) I’m now joining the local carpenters union and get to learn some cool ass shit. Wood framing, metal stud work, drywall application and finishing, concrete form work, pile driving. Bad ASS!
As a retired Carpenter Foreman/ Superintendent we spent everyday of our lives continuously learning. It is a paid learning experience. There is no limit to pay.
No it’ll just get replaced with low quality and low paid immigrants. In the next 60 years I’ll be impressed if our homes don’t collapse all at one time.
I grew up on a farm in the 50s and 60s. I was enlisted on a submarine and an Unrestricted Line Officer driving Destroyers. Each job provided the opportunity to learn new skills. The most important skill is being trainable.
I understand what you are saying, I get it. Although you dad's and grandfather's generations helped to create this problem. I'll give you an example. I applied for many construction and labor jobs at a very young age. Those employers would tell me that, I don't have any experience, or I wouldn't be a good fit. Fast forward 20 years, I am not a good fit because of my age. Questions such as, why are there gaps in my resume? I'm thinking to myself, how can intelligent people be this dense. If no-one wants to hire me, then obviously I'm going to have gaps. I can't believe questions like this. Or my favorite, your education is in a certain area, but you are doing something different, why? Rubber band much!
Think of this, everything that you have has been on a truck sometime. Might have picked it up at the wharf, might have delivered from the factory to the shop. All of it has been on a truck at some point and likely a lot of times. Further, everything you have and use and touch has had contact with a machinist. Most of the stuff in a car was made by a machinist. Things like panels were made using dies and punches a machinist made, on a machine that some other machinist had to machine. Hand made stuff was made with tools that either were machined or made by a machine. So regarding the importance of trades skilled people you can see how vital they are.
I'm a blue collar worker and for sure white collar is the way to go. I've gone from a aircraft mechanic to a IT engineer and I make more with far less training and far better working hours / work life balance. Blue collar is way too underpaid unless you are a supervisor or manager but then you also have to take the extra responsibility it's a joke.
I work at the local 46 Toronto plumbing union making $40/hr as a 4th year apprentice, once i hit 5th year ill make close to $50. Making over 6 figures as an apprentice doing something i enjoy is worth it for me. I believe a lot of those people who gave the trades a try and dindt pan out were probably mistreated and underpaid (most likely non union) for the labour intensive work that it can be. Unions are the way to go for skilled trades from a financial aspect.
As a machinist, i spent 4 years working in machine shops and i get barely $30 an hour. Can probably get $40 with my skills and if I lie on my resume about my years of experience. ...but my friend self studied for 1 year and got a frontend software dev job for 80k as a remote employee. At this point im staying in it because I love machining. Hopefully this pay imbalance will flip someday when businesses get too desperate for skilled workers like us.
@@Isaac-ye4mm Its almost always better to stick with the thing that gives you meaning in life at the cost of money. If what you enjoy happens to pay you less than other occupations, think of it as the cost of doing what you enjoy. You really don’t need much money to enjoy life. Just don’t get stupid debt or credit cards. There’s a lot of people making 80k+ that don’t have any money in their bank because of extremely poor management.
I disagree… I am new “blue collar” again (put myself through college doing electrics and hvac/r) and I make more than many of the engineers I work with… I almost make as much as I did as a partner in a CPA firm, but I don’t have the stress nor am I working 3,000 hours a year… Doesn't matter if you are blue collar or white collar, if you don't have the aptitude and motivation you won't ever make six figures! But, if you do have the brains and the work ethic you can do just as well regardless of which you choose…
I previously worked blue collar and it’s vastly overrated. There is not enough money in the world to get me to return to skilled trade jobs. The truth is that they are not anymore necessary than some white collar work. In the end, every individual needs to find what is helpful for them, and I don’t mean having a fat paycheck. With that said, I do what works for me and yes I do white collar work now, so whenever those judgemental skilled tradespeople snubs and looks down on me for it, I say now “Judge not least you be judge and May God wake you up and God bless.” I have nothing against anyone who is open to anyone doing jobs that both work for the individual as well as others and who is honest about the downsides of working a skilled trade job. Many will deny it otherwise, but the truth remains.
You sound like a women. These jobs have to be done dawg, I don’t think you understand the commitment because you feel a certain way. No one tells anyone to do any job, you signed up for it. Might as well master the craft, otherwise it’s a wasted opportunity while people are willing to die for your job over the boarder every single day.
White collar work sucks, too. Few people are lucky enough to truly love their work; most of us are indeed trying to secure that fat paycheck, because that's what leads to a better quality of life, in my opinion. No one should be looking down on anybody else tho - I agree with that 100%
Blue collar work sucks. Its always the guys who transitioned out of it who are saying how great it is but look how they themselves dont want to do it anymore
Jocko says he respects the blue collar, but remember, he stopped being enlisted to go officer. He walked from the blue collar because he knew it was subordinate to the other option.
@@jackjack4412 obviously, you can't read. The point was he left a bluecollar position to become an officer because it is a better position and gains more respect. Of course blue collar is important, grunts will always be needed to do the crap work. I respect Jocko for doing that though. He knew he was capable of better and he put in the work to leave the substandard position in his past. He talks about getting turned down for the opportunity the first time, he was a runner up. I forget what the navy calls it, but in the army were I served, it was called green to gold. He knew he was suited better for leadership, not some, hey grunt blue collar bitch, go dig my foxhole job.
that's a natural born follower v. leader dynamic, not a hands vs. brain dynamic. Alot of officers do labor and alot of enlisted also don't. Think before you speak.
@@patrickmeier357 I was in the army. My last duty station was with 4th sq 2nd ACR. Ft Polk. I never saw an officer do to much hard work. They signed for everything though and had that responsibility. Officers got better chow and quarters. Look at ft Benning at airborne school.
Think about stepping outside of your comfort zone. Going college just to better your career and progress. That takes thick skin. Alot of blue collar guys never get outside their comfort zone and work same trade same job no progression. A plumber works for a company instead of starting his own business and hiring other plumbers. My point is this. Its not comfortable to get uncomfortable. So yea Jocko went into management n leadership but he better’d himself and everyone should strive to do so.
At 27, with a good college degree, I finally woke up and realized that I love building and using tools (as is in our DNA) I’m now joining the local carpenters union and get to learn some cool ass shit. Wood framing, metal stud work, drywall application and finishing, concrete form work, pile driving. Bad ASS!
All these guys should become carpenters since it matters so much
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As a retired Carpenter Foreman/ Superintendent we spent everyday of our lives continuously learning. It is a paid learning experience. There is no limit to pay.
Blue collar work is the only work that won't be substituted by AI
No it’ll just get replaced with low quality and low paid immigrants. In the next 60 years I’ll be impressed if our homes don’t collapse all at one time.
@@E-0921I dunno man, there’s a lot of money in inspection and even more money in suing the crap out of companies that took shortcuts
I grew up on a farm in the 50s and 60s. I was enlisted on a submarine and an Unrestricted Line Officer driving Destroyers. Each job provided the opportunity to learn new skills. The most important skill is being trainable.
I’ve been in trades for my whole life. Self employed is the only way to be able to live well. Employee pay for all trades is horrendous
I understand what you are saying, I get it. Although you dad's and grandfather's generations helped to create this problem.
I'll give you an example. I applied for many construction and labor jobs at a very young age. Those employers would tell me that, I don't have any experience, or I wouldn't be a good fit. Fast forward 20 years, I am not a good fit because of my age.
Questions such as, why are there gaps in my resume? I'm thinking to myself, how can intelligent people be this dense. If no-one wants to hire me, then obviously I'm going to have gaps. I can't believe questions like this.
Or my favorite, your education is in a certain area, but you are doing something different, why?
Rubber band much!
Money is the problem
Think of this, everything that you have has been on a truck sometime. Might have picked it up at the wharf, might have delivered from the factory to the shop. All of it has been on a truck at some point and likely a lot of times. Further, everything you have and use and touch has had contact with a machinist. Most of the stuff in a car was made by a machinist. Things like panels were made using dies and punches a machinist made, on a machine that some other machinist had to machine. Hand made stuff was made with tools that either were machined or made by a machine. So regarding the importance of trades skilled people you can see how vital they are.
I'm a blue collar worker and for sure white collar is the way to go. I've gone from a aircraft mechanic to a IT engineer and I make more with far less training and far better working hours / work life balance.
Blue collar is way too underpaid unless you are a supervisor or manager but then you also have to take the extra responsibility it's a joke.
What work were you in?
I work at the local 46 Toronto plumbing union making $40/hr as a 4th year apprentice, once i hit 5th year ill make close to $50. Making over 6 figures as an apprentice doing something i enjoy is worth it for me. I believe a lot of those people who gave the trades a try and dindt pan out were probably mistreated and underpaid (most likely non union) for the labour intensive work that it can be. Unions are the way to go for skilled trades from a financial aspect.
As a machinist, i spent 4 years working in machine shops and i get barely $30 an hour. Can probably get $40 with my skills and if I lie on my resume about my years of experience.
...but my friend self studied for 1 year and got a frontend software dev job for 80k as a remote employee.
At this point im staying in it because I love machining. Hopefully this pay imbalance will flip someday when businesses get too desperate for skilled workers like us.
@@Isaac-ye4mm Its almost always better to stick with the thing that gives you meaning in life at the cost of money. If what you enjoy happens to pay you less than other occupations, think of it as the cost of doing what you enjoy. You really don’t need much money to enjoy life. Just don’t get stupid debt or credit cards. There’s a lot of people making 80k+ that don’t have any money in their bank because of extremely poor management.
I disagree… I am new “blue collar” again (put myself through college doing electrics and hvac/r) and I make more than many of the engineers I work with… I almost make as much as I did as a partner in a CPA firm, but I don’t have the stress nor am I working 3,000 hours a year… Doesn't matter if you are blue collar or white collar, if you don't have the aptitude and motivation you won't ever make six figures! But, if you do have the brains and the work ethic you can do just as well regardless of which you choose…
Go blue collar and work hard and learn. I got into blue collar and love it. You’ll get some hard time but stick with it.
I previously worked blue collar and it’s vastly overrated. There is not enough money in the world to get me to return to skilled trade jobs. The truth is that they are not anymore necessary than some white collar work. In the end, every individual needs to find what is helpful for them, and I don’t mean having a fat paycheck. With that said, I do what works for me and yes I do white collar work now, so whenever those judgemental skilled tradespeople snubs and looks down on me for it, I say now “Judge not least you be judge and May God wake you up and God bless.” I have nothing against anyone who is open to anyone doing jobs that both work for the individual as well as others and who is honest about the downsides of working a skilled trade job. Many will deny it otherwise, but the truth remains.
Electricans make more then most white collar jobs
You sound like a women. These jobs have to be done dawg, I don’t think you understand the commitment because you feel a certain way. No one tells anyone to do any job, you signed up for it. Might as well master the craft, otherwise it’s a wasted opportunity while people are willing to die for your job over the boarder every single day.
White collar work sucks, too. Few people are lucky enough to truly love their work; most of us are indeed trying to secure that fat paycheck, because that's what leads to a better quality of life, in my opinion. No one should be looking down on anybody else tho - I agree with that 100%
Blue collar work sucks. Its always the guys who transitioned out of it who are saying how great it is but look how they themselves dont want to do it anymore
Jocko says he respects the blue collar, but remember, he stopped being enlisted to go officer. He walked from the blue collar because he knew it was subordinate to the other option.
What's your point? All parts are necessary.
@@jackjack4412 obviously, you can't read. The point was he left a bluecollar position to become an officer because it is a better position and gains more respect.
Of course blue collar is important, grunts will always be needed to do the crap work. I respect Jocko for doing that though. He knew he was capable of better and he put in the work to leave the substandard position in his past.
He talks about getting turned down for the opportunity the first time, he was a runner up. I forget what the navy calls it, but in the army were I served, it was called green to gold. He knew he was suited better for leadership, not some, hey grunt blue collar bitch, go dig my foxhole job.
that's a natural born follower v. leader dynamic, not a hands vs. brain dynamic. Alot of officers do labor and alot of enlisted also don't. Think before you speak.
@@patrickmeier357 I was in the army. My last duty station was with 4th sq 2nd ACR. Ft Polk. I never saw an officer do to much hard work. They signed for everything though and had that responsibility. Officers got better chow and quarters. Look at ft Benning at airborne school.
Think about stepping outside of your comfort zone. Going college just to better your career and progress. That takes thick skin. Alot of blue collar guys never get outside their comfort zone and work same trade same job no progression. A plumber works for a company instead of starting his own business and hiring other plumbers. My point is this. Its not comfortable to get uncomfortable. So yea Jocko went into management n leadership but he better’d himself and everyone should strive to do so.