I've got a friend who wants to use the AI to make the most souless, low-effort, IKEA-decorations. She came to me asking some strategies for using AI. I suggested maybe having ChatGPT write a Python script for Grasshopper to generate parametric sculptures that could be CNC'd. She's like, "no, that's too much effort. I want the machine to do everything and just bang out meaninglessness." I'm like, fine, whatever, that's your process; not for me, but whatever. And then she had the nerve to ask me to take time out of my own practice to research how to do this for her, and then teach her how to do it. And then get this, afterwards she wanted to have a manufactured beef, an "AI battle" on social media. So let me get this straight? You want me to figure out how to get the machine to bust off vapid works for you, then you want me to teach you how to do it, and then you want me to keep doing it so that you have have a battle against me? Thanks, but no. ....sorry for venting in your comments section; seemed relevant, not deleting.
@te9591 Not deleting? I'm not sure. I was doubting at the end whether this was worth sharing, decided I might as well, and if it's dumb, oh well. Not for me? K-strategy vs r-strategy; I'd rather invest effort into a few beloved works like a large mammal would, than pump out a million no-effort no-love works like a reptile would. Not take the job? Even with K/r thing, I considered it, but then I remembered that I did a gig for her a few years ago and she never paid me for it; when I asked if I was misremembering and maybe she had paid me, she was like "show me where I said I would pay you for that job" (our contract was verbal, there was enough evidence to point to that contract in emails when I delivered what she asked for, but no, I can't point to the conversation you had with me in WhatsApp from your old number to my old number, only to the delivery and all the source images that you supplied me with and your approval of the delivery). Or not what?
This is a bigger problem than A.I. itself. it is the disease of our time. It's the Wall-E disease... errr maybe its THE disease of all time. it's one of the cardinal sins, Sloth.
This fits for music so well, modern digital synths are so sterile and there are loads and loads of audio plugins that simulate old analogue gear behavior to fuck up the sounds from subtle to extreme ways like introducing noise, pitch variations, etc.
We cherish the ones we love in spite of the imperfections, but in truth I think it's often that we love *because* of those imperfections. It's those vulnerabilities that draw us closer to each other. In the same way with art, it's these imperfections and stumbles that make the art relatable, it's that human quality. And often these little errors also provide some unconscious evidence of the process or struggle that the work was constructed upon. I've actually tried to prompt this kind of image from AI, with this human quality, but it's unable to do so; it seems as though the machine takes the wrong approach. It tries to create a perfectly iterated construction of fine-tuned imperfections, which itself seems equally lifeless and sterile.
thanks for posting these. slowly moving through them, you've resparked a lot of inspiration and, well, studio practice. sometimes i watch your videos and get paranoid that they're entirely AI and that you're not real and that AI is actually much further ahead than I had initially suspected.
I think there's something to be said about the earnest in which an artist may brush up against their own limitations as a craftsperson in their attempt to express authenticity. While the output of an artist might be complete dogshit from a technical perspective, there is almost certainly more authenticity in watching somebody who is obviously expressing fully at the limits of their capability than there is in some of the play-it-safe technically proficient slop that kinda seems to be in vogue. Somebody said on Twitter a while back(it might have been Tao Lin I don't remember) "it is easy to create art that isn't bad, but it is very very difficult to create art this isn't mid" and I think this is very true about the bell curve nature of artists in general. By avoiding the 'mid' category it seems you are automatically in a much more interesting latent space that isn't marred by rote standards and expectations. I think that from this space you actually can achieve a much more resonant piece of art, be it unintentional or not. Anyway great video as always! you're one of my favorite channels on here so thank you very much and keep up the great work!!
i've also never really researched the work of jean michal basquiat, but the first time i saw the works, i never thought of it as some "childhood" "post-idiocy" "outsider" thing, i just thought it was a painter painting in his style. could be that i live in an entirely post-basquiat world so some of the initial "shock" is gone
If culture is being inundated by the idiocy of intelligence, how might we inject our work with the intelligence of idiocy? Thanks for this productive line of inquiry, Elliott. Time to go chew on it for a while.
Narnar isn’t real art either brings you feelings you want or it doesn’t. Narnar is just phrase the intelligent use to justify finding something stupid likable.
One commonly pointed out but very rarely explored part of these artists is their delusional level of confidence, often to the point where a "no" man is unable to influence them. A perfect example of this would be Kanye West. You can almost in real time see him lose the ability to listen to others across albums to the point where he is essentially king of the universe and anything he says goes no matter how bad of an idea it is.
@@StudioPractice1 It'll be really interesting to see what happens when it can genuinely "out-think" humans, and not just beat us in mimicry. Not likely to happen in our lifetimes!
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"...it is about as compelling and about as interesting as a fucking root canal" iconic.
I've got a friend who wants to use the AI to make the most souless, low-effort, IKEA-decorations. She came to me asking some strategies for using AI. I suggested maybe having ChatGPT write a Python script for Grasshopper to generate parametric sculptures that could be CNC'd. She's like, "no, that's too much effort. I want the machine to do everything and just bang out meaninglessness." I'm like, fine, whatever, that's your process; not for me, but whatever. And then she had the nerve to ask me to take time out of my own practice to research how to do this for her, and then teach her how to do it. And then get this, afterwards she wanted to have a manufactured beef, an "AI battle" on social media. So let me get this straight? You want me to figure out how to get the machine to bust off vapid works for you, then you want me to teach you how to do it, and then you want me to keep doing it so that you have have a battle against me? Thanks, but no. ....sorry for venting in your comments section; seemed relevant, not deleting.
Why not?
@te9591 Not deleting? I'm not sure. I was doubting at the end whether this was worth sharing, decided I might as well, and if it's dumb, oh well. Not for me? K-strategy vs r-strategy; I'd rather invest effort into a few beloved works like a large mammal would, than pump out a million no-effort no-love works like a reptile would. Not take the job? Even with K/r thing, I considered it, but then I remembered that I did a gig for her a few years ago and she never paid me for it; when I asked if I was misremembering and maybe she had paid me, she was like "show me where I said I would pay you for that job" (our contract was verbal, there was enough evidence to point to that contract in emails when I delivered what she asked for, but no, I can't point to the conversation you had with me in WhatsApp from your old number to my old number, only to the delivery and all the source images that you supplied me with and your approval of the delivery). Or not what?
This is a bigger problem than A.I. itself. it is the disease of our time. It's the Wall-E disease... errr maybe its THE disease of all time. it's one of the cardinal sins, Sloth.
This fits for music so well, modern digital synths are so sterile and there are loads and loads of audio plugins that simulate old analogue gear behavior to fuck up the sounds from subtle to extreme ways like introducing noise, pitch variations, etc.
We cherish the ones we love in spite of the imperfections, but in truth I think it's often that we love *because* of those imperfections. It's those vulnerabilities that draw us closer to each other. In the same way with art, it's these imperfections and stumbles that make the art relatable, it's that human quality. And often these little errors also provide some unconscious evidence of the process or struggle that the work was constructed upon.
I've actually tried to prompt this kind of image from AI, with this human quality, but it's unable to do so; it seems as though the machine takes the wrong approach. It tries to create a perfectly iterated construction of fine-tuned imperfections, which itself seems equally lifeless and sterile.
On point. It might be the work were you can see the strive for perfection/transcendence in the work.
thanks for posting these. slowly moving through them, you've resparked a lot of inspiration and, well, studio practice. sometimes i watch your videos and get paranoid that they're entirely AI and that you're not real and that AI is actually much further ahead than I had initially suspected.
I think there's something to be said about the earnest in which an artist may brush up against their own limitations as a craftsperson in their attempt to express authenticity. While the output of an artist might be complete dogshit from a technical perspective, there is almost certainly more authenticity in watching somebody who is obviously expressing fully at the limits of their capability than there is in some of the play-it-safe technically proficient slop that kinda seems to be in vogue.
Somebody said on Twitter a while back(it might have been Tao Lin I don't remember) "it is easy to create art that isn't bad, but it is very very difficult to create art this isn't mid" and I think this is very true about the bell curve nature of artists in general. By avoiding the 'mid' category it seems you are automatically in a much more interesting latent space that isn't marred by rote standards and expectations. I think that from this space you actually can achieve a much more resonant piece of art, be it unintentional or not.
Anyway great video as always! you're one of my favorite channels on here so thank you very much and keep up the great work!!
Great response and I agree with the sentiment. We talk about that a lot here.
i've also never really researched the work of jean michal basquiat, but the first time i saw the works, i never thought of it as some "childhood" "post-idiocy" "outsider" thing, i just thought it was a painter painting in his style. could be that i live in an entirely post-basquiat world so some of the initial "shock" is gone
“Point behind drawing like this” with arrow pointed to chatgpt portrait… the line is indeed fine
Oy... kinda frightening
"here's Corey shredding....."😂
If culture is being inundated by the idiocy of intelligence,
how might we inject our work with the intelligence of idiocy?
Thanks for this productive line of inquiry, Elliott.
Time to go chew on it for a while.
Love your comment. "The Intelligence of Idiocy."
"I don't know if I'm too smart or too dumb" - Captain Beefheart, Interview with Paul Moyer (1980)
Captain Beefheart was in beast mode.
Corey Feldman is a post-modern performance artist method acting his own persona. That's genius.
that's not new it's just celebrity
@@numberonedad
Exactly, that’s why so many celebrities are narcissists.
I'll start counting dat money, because I'm well situated for the future you propose.
Nice... you're already well positioned.
"Be dumber" is my new wallpaper.
pffff... ha ha....
Narnar isn’t real art either brings you feelings you want or it doesn’t. Narnar is just phrase the intelligent use to justify finding something stupid likable.
That's fair... it is intellectualizing shit (figuratively) you like. You need a "reason."
No Cory goes so hard
That's for sure. I can't look away
@@StudioPractice1Mant to type *New Cory* but yes it is quite amazing
One commonly pointed out but very rarely explored part of these artists is their delusional level of confidence, often to the point where a "no" man is unable to influence them. A perfect example of this would be Kanye West. You can almost in real time see him lose the ability to listen to others across albums to the point where he is essentially king of the universe and anything he says goes no matter how bad of an idea it is.
Kanye... is an idiot. (I appreciate you) LOL
OMG, he looks so much like Michael Jackson!
Uh...lol... (not... really) lol
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Well he does seem to think so himself🍻
Root Canals are interesting.
The more I think about this the more I think you're right.
A root canal?? I see you chose poetry over prose and I'm all for it.
LOL... not sure it was the best analogy. but it served the purpose. LOL
David Lee Roth = Best Van Halen!
Let's combine narnar with wabisabi. We can say the west invented it.
are you a genius?
ask the mirror that
Yes
@@StudioPractice1 based.
@@StudioPractice1 shines through at 5:23 (although this would be appropriate during Feldman segment)
I'm so sorry I wasted my time on your video
Me too
AI will get better. This is just the beginning.
I know... that's the problem.
@@StudioPractice1 It'll be really interesting to see what happens when it can genuinely "out-think" humans, and not just beat us in mimicry. Not likely to happen in our lifetimes!