I for one am tired of how the media inflates Tomlin as such a great coach. Chuck Knoll had a 4 year spell in between playoff wins. Bill Cowher had a 3 year spell in between playoff wins. Tomlin is now staring down 8 years without a playoff win. I can't even credit him for the SB win in 2008. That team was built by Cowher, and still retained many of the Cowher tenured coaches and staff. So Mediocre Mike inherited a winning team and formula. And if it weren't for some breakdowns in defensive coverage on the last drive, and some spectacular plays by Santonio Holmes and Big Ben, they would have lost that game too. Tomlin ain't the guy. Never will be.
Complete nonsense. There were about 40 different players and staff from Cowhers SB, and Tomlins SB teams. Including I may add ken whisenhunt, who was Cowhers OC, and went to be the HC that Tomlin played against in 43. And also, I remember Nolls 80's Steelers,...... The two have the same w/l record 1-1, no matter how many playoff games were or were not won. They also have about the same win% @.619 -.618.
100%. His career is only impressive at face value. The more you look at it the less impressive it becomes. I really don't understand why the media has such a hard on for him.
I didn't realize that Tomlin has only won a playoff game in 4 of his 18 seasons. That's pretty abysmal considering Cowher matched that by his 6th year.
@anthonyc3306 Empty stats. Only one first down in the first quarter. I think they only crossed the 50 yard line once in the first half, if at all. No points in the first half. When the defense adjusted in the second half, the Ravens only scored once. There were so many 3-and-outs on offense that Russ didn't score enough to keep up. 14 points in a playoff game from an offense led by Russ on the field. And Arthur Smith had plenty of pass catchers open, but Russ didn't use the intermediate parts of the field. It's completely below the bar.
False, because Fields can’t pass. His running can’t make up for that. Look at the team around Lamar, then tell me the Steelers are even close. They’re not. So the right team won the game.
@@keim3548 Fields passes just fine and threw more than 270 several times in the 6 games he played. You smoke pot and must have slept through those games. Looking at first half of games, Fields passed for MORE yards than Wilson.
At some point the Steelers need to figure out what their priorities are. Win 10 games and get bounced first round, or draft the future franchise QB. Running it back is just going to delay that another year. Steelers need to become sellers and acquire draft picks to get the future QB and build around him. Their current business model is outdated. What used to be one of the flagship teams in the NFL is out of touch with how to build a team in 2025.
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draft the future franchise QB only for him to be a bust Steelers fans assuming bottoming out will give them the QB of the future haven't watched how that has worked out for a dozen+ other teams
What they should have done was trade for Bryce Young while his value was low, you get a #1 overall pick in a sense and build around BY... Not to say, Carolina would have traded him, but it would have been a shot at least to give the organization something to root for.
@jhank0cean bottoming out sucks, and it’s long. Same time, it is objectively worth it when your team is not good enough to win a thing, and not bad enough to get better players
"I don't have a QB under contract and I don't know how to draft and develop one. i really don't know what I'm doing. But rest assured that I'll be back to give you more of the same next year".
Steelers are in true NFL purgatory, not good enough to make any noise in the playoffs but also not bad enough to be in position to draft their franchise QB. They either need to go all in like the Rams and trade picks for a big time QB or trade Mike Tomlin and go full rebuild
@DWoodsll He had Big Ben for over a decade, and placated Ben’s desire to not draft a QB high, and instead, give Ben weapons. Tomlin could have said no. He didn’t. He is directly responsible for his lack of QB by being the “cool fun” players coach
Tomlin said the QB for this season was on the roster at the end of last season and they ended up cleaning the entire QB room out. I would take anything said in these end of year press conferences as gospel
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Look at the list of QB's the Steelers drafted/signed from 2008 - 2021. It's not like they didn't try. Drafted Quarterbacks: 2008: Dennis Dixon (5th Round, 156th overall) - A dual-threat QB from Oregon, he spent time as a backup and started a few games. 2013: Landry Jones (4th Round, 115th overall) - Played as a reliable backup for several years. 2017: Joshua Dobbs (4th Round, 135th overall) - Known for his intelligence and mobility, Dobbs was a solid depth option. 2018: Mason Rudolph (3rd Round, 76th overall) - Expected to be a potential successor to Big Ben. Signed Quarterbacks: 2010: Charlie Batch (Re-signed) - A long-time veteran and fan favorite. 2012: Byron Leftwich (Re-signed) - Another experienced veteran who backed up Big Ben. 2015: Michael Vick - Signed to bring veteran presence and versatility to the QB room. 2019: Devlin “Duck” Hodges - Undrafted free agent from Samford who became a cult hero for his unexpected success. 2021: Dwayne Haskins - Former first-round pick signed to rebuild his career and provide depth.
@@DivAgent556 I dunno I kind of disagree about the draft picks. Late 3rd? Maybe you get someone who can learn the ropes but probably unlikely. I do recall Leftwich being a solid fill in for Ben tho and the FAs weren't too bad in your defense. Career backups mostly though. Pittsburgh has only really drafted two good starting QBs in their history which is crazy. They just got really really good ones when they did and they kept em..
That defientely has not been talked about enough. Big Ben played way past his time. He should have been done after 2018 and we should have drafted a successor. Your spot on that face of Big Ben being a baby
The problem is we still prioritze defense to the point we have the highest paid defenese in the NFL, that style doesnt work anymore we need to focus on the other side
Especially in the AFC... You need a QB to even compete within your division (Joe Borrow, Lamar) let alone the conference. Has long they keep "Surviving", they're going to be stuck in the mud.
Bills fan here. No horse in the race. The Steelers should not let Tomlin go. He is an elite coach. Gets a LOT out of his players. Every year, they are a competitive team. Very very hard to do in today’s NFL, especially without a legit game changing QB.
They aren’t competitive. 9-10 wins a year and getting blown out in the playoffs isn’t competitive nor is it getting a “LOT” out of his players. Stop simping for Tomlin.
Sounds like you’re parroting espn. Tomlin sucks. And what do you mean no horse in the race? That doesn’t even make sense. We’re both in the AFC and the Steelers absolutely matter to you in the post season…..which is probably why you’d like to see that clown coach for 20 more years.
@@GGCGAGSG Why does Omar Khan get a pass for blowing nuts at his job? This roster is horrible, and every year I have to listen to media go the Steelers roster so good they have x and x. One good unit isn't a good roster, it's insane that this roster could win 6 games let alone 10.
As a Redskins fan. Tomlin does not suck lol. Steelers fans....how many coaches have you had since the 70s ? How many of those coaches have taken you to super bowls? From what I recall....Steelers wanted Bill Cower out before he final won a super bowl. Tomlin has not had a losing season since when ? I recall people saying even earlier this year that " this might be his year to have a losing record ". That did not happen lol. In a division that has Lamar and Joe. Also...in a division that ...you could say....all of them are good/decent head coachs. Tomlin still finds a way to win. Phil said the same things about Reid....that I hear about Tomlin. He" sucks,he is no good, and stop making excuses for him" ....How is Reid doing now ? Steelers fans....be great full you have good ownership and a great coach. Less your ownership be Dan Synder and you keep hearing "the culture is dam good". With many coachs that sucked badly.
It speaks volume to me that he never rested Patrick Queen (the defender who had the most snaps closely followed by Minkah), teams learned how to nullify Watt and they never adjusted nor took advantage of it and how they continued to try runs with Najee that never worked. In an age of analytics he continues to play it from the heart and acting all macho. He hasn't realized that by the end of the year the other teams are fresher, have a ton of data about the Steelers and are exploiting it.
I dunno. I've been a big Tomlin supporter. But compare him to Andy Reid as in Andy Reid moment? How many of Tomlin's assistants have moved up to head coach? Zero. Andy Reid has I think 10-11 assistants rise to head coach.
I know that Rooney is not getting rid of Tomlin, but it is far past time for him to go somewhere else. His Standard is not the Steelers Standard... but it has become the Standard and that sucks.
Hey Rich, since you love Mike Tomlin so much, justify these numbers: the Steelers were 3rd in rushing attempts and 28th in rushing yards. What kind of an idiot keeps insisting on a failing strategy like this?
Jemis Winston beat us with circus type plays. Lamar just turned our defense into a benny hill soundtrack twice. Patty Mahomes ran circles around our pass rushers while injured on 1 foot. Jalen hurts was doing the shimmy dance around our defense to that blowout win. Lol its almost like you should just play the athletic playmaking type QB and see if he can make magic. But instead we let Wilson put on his best Kenny Pickett impersonation. Spin Sack, Spin Sack, Spin sack🤣
You wear your defense out when you constantly go 3 and out. Our offense over the years hasn’t helped the defense out at all. It’s a team sport. The defense gets stops and turnovers but the offense does nothing with it.
@@chrisburnett8167this is more so the answer. Defense was bad given the circumstances, but the offense was worse. Defense may be more troubling though. More star power and a whole lot more money
Maybe in the short term, but if he’s retained, the draft next year would need to be QB focused to an extent. We need a permanent fixture, the next Big Ben, so to speak. Our woes don’t go away otherwise.
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What they should have done was trade for Bryce Young while his value was low, you get a #1 overall pick in a sense and build around BY... Not to say, Carolina would have traded him, but it would have been a shot at least to give the organization something to root for and build around..
Why are we acting like at the start of the season anyone expected the team to win those extremely difficult games at the end of their season? This team overachieved. Tomlin’s a miracle worker and Russ, while not what he once was, can still lead a team if you improve the talent on BOTH SIDES of the ball. I’m a Jets fan. I’ll take Tomlin and Russ in a heartbeat!
They lost 5 straight games to end the year. That’s not overachieving. Tomlin hasn’t won a playoff game in nearly a decade and he’s won 3 in the last 14 years. That’s not exactly a miracle worker.
Russ is cooked and I’m tired of casual fans acting like he isn’t. The man can’t throw to the middle of the field. He can’t throw a short ball. He can’t escape sacks. It his moon ball, and if that’s not working, you’re not winning. Sean Payton was right in his assessment of Russ last season and is deserving of at least 15 apologies from the media.
Justin Fields gained 8 yards in one play in the first half against the eagles. That one play was MORE yards than the entire first quarter by the entire Steelers offense against the same team. I'll throw in the entire first quarter against the bengals, and those 8 yards was MORE yards than the entire first quarter against the Eagles PLUS the Bengals. Fields had higher 3rd down conversion, red zone pct, time of possession. And if you look at the first half alone, Fields even had more passing yards.
@@ChaosReigns95 5 straight games no one expected them to win. Pre-season, many picked them to finish dead last in the division. Overachieved in my book. Now, are your criticisms valid? Of course. The playoff futility is a major issue. But it all doesn't fall on Tomlin. This team lacks the talent needed to compete against the league's elite. Period.
@@Watssssswelll Is he what he was? Of course not. Is his reluctance to use the middle of the field a major issue? Absolutely. But he still has enough to win if a proper team is placed around him and scheme put into place. Look at other older QBs who found success after their skills diminished. They had teams around them that allowed them to play the role needed for the team to find success. Has Russ declined? Yes. Is he cooked? No.
Tomlin is the coach for the Steelers. Fields would be the guy to bring back while drafting someone to possibly develop such as Will Howard if Fields don't work out, just my opinion
Why are you talking QB here? QB talent is not the issue. The issue is the lack of talent surrounding the QB and the Tomlin philosophy of how a offense should be run.
If he’s a good defensive coach then spend less money on defense and make him overachieve with less instead of underachieve with the highest paid defense in the league. Spend that money on offense and let Tomlin prove he’s actually good on his side of the ball. Otherwise he’s just a good public speaker
Can Fields stop 95,90 and 85 yard TD drives? Remember when Russ fumbled on the 4? The defense then gave up a 96 yard TD drive. Fans didn’t blame the defense they blamed Russell Wilson? Get ready for that Justin. Your team could give up 299 yards rushing, they’ll want YOU gone.
Of course they should move on. What happens if they don’t? Does Tomlin all of a sudden become a good manager? Does Wilson Magically get 10 years younger? When that bus isn’t going to take you to your destination, you get on a different bus.
Fields had more than 40 yards passing in an entire first half and he certainly didn't throw pick sixes like what happened against hte Ravens, and he wasn't throwing into triple coverage on 4th and 15 either.
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Russ played bad in the second half of the season, but don't act like he's the biggest problem on the Steelers. Mike Tomlin only has 3 playoff wins over the last 14 years as HC.
@@mspacegamma John Harbaugh has just 4 playoff wins in the last 13 years and TWICE had home field advantage and TWICE had a MVP QB. Managed 1 playoff win those two years.
Steelers ownership doesn't spend a lot of money on their players. Now occasionally ownership will spend money on lesser players to make sure they have a winning product on the field. So the Steelers are not the cheapest owners in the NFL. That title goes to Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys. That why Bookie's in Las Vegas where telling me Dallas last year and year before that they had no chance of winning the Super Bowl.
The Eagles and Reid both got better when they went their separate ways.... Not sure the Steelers nor Tomlin are worthy of that comparison right now, but the solution likely still fits.
It's bad enough the Steelers have a contract and decided to bring back Mike Tomlin, but to bring back a 6-6 qb who is washed and 36 years old to a team he personally led to a late season collapse. Its no way the Steelers should bring him back not at all. Resign Justin Fields
Because Denver is again paying almost all of his contract for '25, combined with no one else will make Russ much of an offer, he will be the starting QB for the Steelers 9-win team in 2025. At least 22% of the Steeler Nation will be thrilled by this.
Why are they speaking as though Russell Wilson was the problem? Five weeks ago, the Steelers were being referred to as possible Super Bowl contenders. It seems to me that where the team has fallen off since then has been in mostly in the defense and in the running game. From the start, the Steelers were considered a good match for Wilson BECAUSE they had the defense and the run philosophy, so that he wouldn't have to be relied upon to play Hero ball. To my mind, it isn't Wilson who's failed to meet expectations.
I agree as a ardent Wilson disliker. For all his faults you can't earnestly point at him as THE problem on a team where its biggest stars like Watt completely vanished in the final critical month of the season. The team as a whole needs to take ownership for year another disappointing "winning" season. Winning....ha. All they earned was another year where they spun their wheels.
He’s not the sole problem. He also, is a guy who no rational team employees for more than a backup. His 3-4 sacks a game were crucial in killing drives.
If he goes somewhere else, it goes one of two ways. He gets a good QB and has some success, or he gets exposed as another average coach who is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks. Earlier this season, the fact that he had never won coach of the year was being discussed, well, now you know why.
The media is concentrating on Russ intead of the poor playoff play of Darnold and Herbert. Just acting like Russ had a bad game when he actually didn't.
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On the Kirk Cousins staying in Atlanta I don't understand why this issue keeps coming up all the time on this show about needing to get rid of Veteran QB's with guaranteed money and or a huge dead money hit. Baring the QB being a cancer in the locker room what's the downside to having them on the sideline mentoring and ready to go in when the young guy gets hurt. If you can trade them sure go ahead but who's going to agree to that trade? Teams are going to have to pay them regardless so why pay a guy to leave and then have to pay a completely different guy the veteran minimum or more to backup the young guy you decided to go with over your high paid veteran. It doesn't make sense in a league where teams end up cash strapped and having to scramble to come in under the cap. Penix won't be eligible for a contract for 2 more seasons, just keep Cousins and let him collect his money you have to pay him anyway and have a reliable backup.
I’d say get rid of all the coaches and make fields the starting qb find a star wr to put on the opposite side of Pickens and get some better offensive linemen we got nothing to lose with getting rid of all coaching staff and starting fresh
No, but they will anyway. Can't wait for them to go 9-8 next year, while after EVERY SINGLE GAME you guys crown them as AMAZING ALL-TIME CHAMPIONSHIP WINNERS. Seriously, do the Steelers have legit blackmail on these media morons?
Why are they referencing a “no-trade” clause in Tomlin’s contract?? I thought coaches were merely interviewed and signed. Then fired, resign, or retire. Since when do teams ever treat coaches like players?? “No Trade” clause 🤦🏻♂️..that’s funny
Pittsburgh DON'T want ( Sam Darnold ) 🤔 Only Reason DARNOLD had a GOOD year is Bcuz he had ( Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison ) ... DARNOLD was almost out of the League
You still need to throw them the ball. DHop and Josh Gordon weren't exactly magical answers for the clown show of QB's they went through(TJ Yates, Tim Savage, Osweiler, Weeden, Schaub, etc)
Tomlin coached Ben Roethlisberger for 14 seasons. Sub par QB you say? Two super bowl appearances during that period. Although Tomlins first SB appearance was with the Cowher built team of 2008.
Great, another year of 9-8 or 10-7, and either missing the playoffs or going out round one. He better go to a place like Jacksonville where they have an okay quarterback, because he's already proven that he and his staff don't know how to develop one.
Rooney already said Tomlin will be there next year. And he is no Jerry Jones. He doesn't say one thing then do another. And why is it all on Russ? Has no one else seen the atrocity that our OL is? Did no one else notice that in the last few weeks, the defense has been asleep? I'll grant you that Russ is a one trick pony with that "moon ball" bullsh*t, but where is the accountability for the guys who are supposed to protect him? Why not have one of the offensive lineman get up in front of a microphone and have them explain wtf is going on? Why not ask TJ, uhhhhhh... are sacks not your thing anymore? Are forced fumbles not your thing anymore? What happened? Something happened after Cleveland cuz the team hadn't been right since
It's time for Tomlin to go unless the Rooney's want to continue as same ole, same ole, cause once Burrow and Bengals are healthy and the Browns finally eject Watson and enter the QB solution it will get ugly for Steeler fans.
who do they replace him with huh? come on. He did pretty good this year with two garbage QBs. Change the Defense coach, develop a better secondary with a good secondary coach is a good start.
people who say Tomlin is still a great coach need to explain how a great coach in the league for 18 years with one team HAS ZERO COACHING TREE WHATSOEVER in the league lol even Frank Reich has a coaching tree... not one assistant or coordinator who came up through Tomlin's staffs have ever gone on to a HC job in the league, not even an OC / DC job... nobody learns anything about football working under him, he doesn't operate on any philosophical schematic concept that other teams try to emulate, he's literally become nothing but catch phrases and gaslighting and the way he's automatically and blindly defended by just about everyone shows what an elite gaslighter Tomlin has been lol even just look at the Cowher era, it was all about toughness and grit and smash mouth football, now it's about hot head malcontent divas throwing tantrums while Tomlin makes excuses for them and lets guys do whatever they want... explains why once Cowher's players dried up from the roster, so did Tomlin's playoff success and we SERIOUSLY gotta stop acting like Tomlin drags all these scrub teams to the playoffs when they consistently have by far the most expensive defense in the league and have top paid star players at every level of the defense every year, had the Killer B's era with absolutely elite offensive production, again stop letting Tomlin gaslight everybody like this he's all bark and no bite
Great head coaches win more than one title. Great head coaches know clock management. Great coaches don’t let their players take naps in meetings. Great coaches don’t let players skip practice. Great coaches don’t play down to the competition and treat their opponents as lethal, regardless of record. Great coaches don’t coast off past success. Great coaches win playoff games. It’s not agree to disagree. He’s not him.
Yes...QB play wasnt the problem Yes..Coach Tomlin will be back..funny nobody predicted the Steelers to win 4-5 games. They made the playoffs...Almost won the division
I for one am tired of how the media inflates Tomlin as such a great coach. Chuck Knoll had a 4 year spell in between playoff wins. Bill Cowher had a 3 year spell in between playoff wins. Tomlin is now staring down 8 years without a playoff win. I can't even credit him for the SB win in 2008. That team was built by Cowher, and still retained many of the Cowher tenured coaches and staff. So Mediocre Mike inherited a winning team and formula. And if it weren't for some breakdowns in defensive coverage on the last drive, and some spectacular plays by Santonio Holmes and Big Ben, they would have lost that game too. Tomlin ain't the guy. Never will be.
Complete nonsense. There were about 40 different players and staff from Cowhers SB, and Tomlins SB teams. Including I may add ken whisenhunt, who was Cowhers OC, and went to be the HC that Tomlin played against in 43. And also, I remember Nolls 80's Steelers,...... The two have the same w/l record 1-1, no matter how many playoff games were or were not won. They also have about the same win% @.619 -.618.
100%. His career is only impressive at face value. The more you look at it the less impressive it becomes. I really don't understand why the media has such a hard on for him.
I didn't realize that Tomlin has only won a playoff game in 4 of his 18 seasons. That's pretty abysmal considering Cowher matched that by his 6th year.
Shhhh. Quit telling everyone how little you understand football.
It’s funny not even his staunchest supporters can tell you what it is that he does well. His biggest attribute as a coach is we like him lol
Fields could at least have helped the running game with his scrambling ability.
Russ threw 20/29, 270 yards, 2 tds.
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Empty stats. Only one first down in the first quarter. I think they only crossed the 50 yard line once in the first half, if at all. No points in the first half. When the defense adjusted in the second half, the Ravens only scored once. There were so many 3-and-outs on offense that Russ didn't score enough to keep up. 14 points in a playoff game from an offense led by Russ on the field. And Arthur Smith had plenty of pass catchers open, but Russ didn't use the intermediate parts of the field. It's completely below the bar.
@anthonyc3306 garage stats, he did nothing in the first half. Which lead to a 21-0 deficit.
False, because Fields can’t pass. His running can’t make up for that. Look at the team around Lamar, then tell me the Steelers are even close. They’re not. So the right team won the game.
@@keim3548 Fields passes just fine and threw more than 270 several times in the 6 games he played. You smoke pot and must have slept through those games. Looking at first half of games, Fields passed for MORE yards than Wilson.
At some point the Steelers need to figure out what their priorities are. Win 10 games and get bounced first round, or draft the future franchise QB. Running it back is just going to delay that another year. Steelers need to become sellers and acquire draft picks to get the future QB and build around him. Their current business model is outdated. What used to be one of the flagship teams in the NFL is out of touch with how to build a team in 2025.
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draft the future franchise QB only for him to be a bust
Steelers fans assuming bottoming out will give them the QB of the future haven't watched how that has worked out for a dozen+ other teams
Welcome to Bears purgatory.
What they should have done was trade for Bryce Young while his value was low, you get a #1 overall pick in a sense and build around BY... Not to say, Carolina would have traded him, but it would have been a shot at least to give the organization something to root for.
@jhank0cean bottoming out sucks, and it’s long. Same time, it is objectively worth it when your team is not good enough to win a thing, and not bad enough to get better players
Tomlin needs a change of scenery. Let's not complicate this
"I don't have a QB under contract and I don't know how to draft and develop one. i really don't know what I'm doing. But rest assured that I'll be back to give you more of the same next year".
Steelers are in true NFL purgatory, not good enough to make any noise in the playoffs but also not bad enough to be in position to draft their franchise QB. They either need to go all in like the Rams and trade picks for a big time QB or trade Mike Tomlin and go full rebuild
Draft position doesn't stop Kansas city or any other good team from winning. What a crap narrative.
@@73ajd1they drafted Mahomes with a top 15 pick tho ?
@@73ajd1with great qb everything else comes easy.
If I was a Steelers’ fan, I’d settle for Fields getting one TD on the ground, one to the corner, and one over the middle. 😊
Mike tomlin is like doc rivers, they won 1 championship that they live off of and constantly collapse down the stretch
Who. Is. His. QUARTERBACK y’all mfs act like he’s got Burrow and they can’t get it done.
@@DWoodsIIhe can’t draft and develop QB’s. He can’t hire offensive staff. He has absolutely no idea what he’s doing on offense.
@DWoodsll He had Big Ben for over a decade, and placated Ben’s desire to not draft a QB high, and instead, give Ben weapons.
Tomlin could have said no. He didn’t. He is directly responsible for his lack of QB by being the “cool fun” players coach
Tomlin said the QB for this season was on the roster at the end of last season and they ended up cleaning the entire QB room out. I would take anything said in these end of year press conferences as gospel
I'm so tired of hearing Mike Tomlin talk. Which is a shame because he sounds so good.
This comment right here man! Like I’m so over it w this guy but hearing him talk tdy after this wknd has me on a fence again 🤔
U need to build a roster as if you have a mediocre coach and qb, like the ravens did
As a Ravens fan, I'd love to see Tomlin go but he isn't going anywhere.
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Of course you’d love to see him go!
😂 facts. If he does please go to another division 😂
Stop lying. As long as Tomlin is here we pose absolutely no threat to anybody outside of meaningless October games.
@@mrhyde2484 he's probably the only thing keeping them from entering the basement if we're being honest
Shout out to Big ben being insecure and not allowing the team to look for his successor while he was there
Look at the list of QB's the Steelers drafted/signed from 2008 - 2021. It's not like they didn't try.
Drafted Quarterbacks:
2008: Dennis Dixon (5th Round, 156th overall) - A dual-threat QB from Oregon, he spent time as a backup and started a few games.
2013: Landry Jones (4th Round, 115th overall) - Played as a reliable backup for several years.
2017: Joshua Dobbs (4th Round, 135th overall) - Known for his intelligence and mobility, Dobbs was a solid depth option.
2018: Mason Rudolph (3rd Round, 76th overall) - Expected to be a potential successor to Big Ben.
Signed Quarterbacks:
2010: Charlie Batch (Re-signed) - A long-time veteran and fan favorite.
2012: Byron Leftwich (Re-signed) - Another experienced veteran who backed up Big Ben.
2015: Michael Vick - Signed to bring veteran presence and versatility to the QB room.
2019: Devlin “Duck” Hodges - Undrafted free agent from Samford who became a cult hero for his unexpected success.
2021: Dwayne Haskins - Former first-round pick signed to rebuild his career and provide depth.
they could have drafted Lamar, he was available but let's be honest Ben would have lost his mind.
@DivAgent556 that's not exactly a list that says trying. More like trying to sign backups.
@@DivAgent556 I dunno I kind of disagree about the draft picks. Late 3rd? Maybe you get someone who can learn the ropes but probably unlikely. I do recall Leftwich being a solid fill in for Ben tho and the FAs weren't too bad in your defense. Career backups mostly though. Pittsburgh has only really drafted two good starting QBs in their history which is crazy. They just got really really good ones when they did and they kept em..
That defientely has not been talked about enough. Big Ben played way past his time. He should have been done after 2018 and we should have drafted a successor. Your spot on that face of Big Ben being a baby
Steelers have been out scored 73-0 in the first quarter the last 6 playoff games " start me up "
I'm pretty much a comfort seeker.
Good one😅
Steelers need receivers. Relying on one didn't cut it.
How many more times do you need to see this movie, Steelers?
The problem is we still prioritze defense to the point we have the highest paid defenese in the NFL, that style doesnt work anymore we need to focus on the other side
Highest paid defense, and yet when the playoffs hit, TJ and Minkah turn into ghosts.
Especially in the AFC... You need a QB to even compete within your division (Joe Borrow, Lamar) let alone the conference. Has long they keep "Surviving", they're going to be stuck in the mud.
Really? I think the bigger issue is that the defense is the priority and it's still fucking garbage.
Bills fan here. No horse in the race. The Steelers should not let Tomlin go. He is an elite coach. Gets a LOT out of his players. Every year, they are a competitive team. Very very hard to do in today’s NFL, especially without a legit game changing QB.
Tired of Tomlin getting a pass for not having a great QB as if he is not part of the group that has chosen the QBs post Big Ben
They aren’t competitive. 9-10 wins a year and getting blown out in the playoffs isn’t competitive nor is it getting a “LOT” out of his players. Stop simping for Tomlin.
Sounds like you’re parroting espn. Tomlin sucks. And what do you mean no horse in the race? That doesn’t even make sense. We’re both in the AFC and the Steelers absolutely matter to you in the post season…..which is probably why you’d like to see that clown coach for 20 more years.
@@GGCGAGSG Why does Omar Khan get a pass for blowing nuts at his job? This roster is horrible, and every year I have to listen to media go the Steelers roster so good they have x and x. One good unit isn't a good roster, it's insane that this roster could win 6 games let alone 10.
As a Redskins fan. Tomlin does not suck lol. Steelers fans....how many coaches have you had since the 70s ? How many of those coaches have taken you to super bowls? From what I recall....Steelers wanted Bill Cower out before he final won a super bowl. Tomlin has not had a losing season since when ? I recall people saying even earlier this year that " this might be his year to have a losing record ". That did not happen lol. In a division that has Lamar and Joe. Also...in a division that ...you could say....all of them are good/decent head coachs. Tomlin still finds a way to win.
Phil said the same things about Reid....that I hear about Tomlin. He" sucks,he is no good, and stop making excuses for him" ....How is Reid doing now ? Steelers fans....be great full you have good ownership and a great coach. Less your ownership be Dan Synder and you keep hearing "the culture is dam good". With many coachs that sucked badly.
It speaks volume to me that he never rested Patrick Queen (the defender who had the most snaps closely followed by Minkah), teams learned how to nullify Watt and they never adjusted nor took advantage of it and how they continued to try runs with Najee that never worked. In an age of analytics he continues to play it from the heart and acting all macho. He hasn't realized that by the end of the year the other teams are fresher, have a ton of data about the Steelers and are exploiting it.
I am pretty sure George Pickens does not understand what optimistic means.
I'm pretty sure there's a lot of things George Pickens doesn't understand.
You can see growth and not be optimistic for the future. It’s not hard to comprehend.
I dunno. I've been a big Tomlin supporter. But compare him to Andy Reid as in Andy Reid moment? How many of Tomlin's assistants have moved up to head coach? Zero. Andy Reid has I think 10-11 assistants rise to head coach.
I know that Rooney is not getting rid of Tomlin, but it is far past time for him to go somewhere else. His Standard is not the Steelers Standard... but it has become the Standard and that sucks.
Speaking as an unfortunate Jets fan we would commit so many unspeakable crimes to have a coach that has anywhere near a career record Mike T has.
You’ll regret it
Hey Rich, since you love Mike Tomlin so much, justify these numbers: the Steelers were 3rd in rushing attempts and 28th in rushing yards. What kind of an idiot keeps insisting on a failing strategy like this?
It's not Russ fault that they lost 5 games.......Defense lost the last 5 games. Zero time for Offense to do something.
Jemis Winston beat us with circus type plays. Lamar just turned our defense into a benny hill soundtrack twice. Patty Mahomes ran circles around our pass rushers while injured on 1 foot. Jalen hurts was doing the shimmy dance around our defense to that blowout win. Lol its almost like you should just play the athletic playmaking type QB and see if he can make magic.
But instead we let Wilson put on his best Kenny Pickett impersonation. Spin Sack, Spin Sack, Spin sack🤣
You wear your defense out when you constantly go 3 and out. Our offense over the years hasn’t helped the defense out at all. It’s a team sport. The defense gets stops and turnovers but the offense does nothing with it.
If Wilson is the answer, you’re asking the wrong question.
@@chrisburnett8167this is more so the answer. Defense was bad given the circumstances, but the offense was worse. Defense may be more troubling though. More star power and a whole lot more money
Maybe in the short term, but if he’s retained, the draft next year would need to be QB focused to an extent. We need a permanent fixture, the next Big Ben, so to speak. Our woes don’t go away otherwise.
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What they should have done was trade for Bryce Young while his value was low, you get a #1 overall pick in a sense and build around BY... Not to say, Carolina would have traded him, but it would have been a shot at least to give the organization something to root for and build around..
Its like Tomlin teams are built to fall apart as soon as they hit the 8 win mark
WHOS HIS QUARTERBACK
@@DWoodsIIRussell Wilson. The guy he selected.
Why are we acting like at the start of the season anyone expected the team to win those extremely difficult games at the end of their season? This team overachieved. Tomlin’s a miracle worker and Russ, while not what he once was, can still lead a team if you improve the talent on BOTH SIDES of the ball. I’m a Jets fan. I’ll take Tomlin and Russ in a heartbeat!
They lost 5 straight games to end the year. That’s not overachieving. Tomlin hasn’t won a playoff game in nearly a decade and he’s won 3 in the last 14 years. That’s not exactly a miracle worker.
Russ is cooked and I’m tired of casual fans acting like he isn’t. The man can’t throw to the middle of the field. He can’t throw a short ball. He can’t escape sacks. It his moon ball, and if that’s not working, you’re not winning.
Sean Payton was right in his assessment of Russ last season and is deserving of at least 15 apologies from the media.
Justin Fields gained 8 yards in one play in the first half against the eagles. That one play was MORE yards than the entire first quarter by the entire Steelers offense against the same team. I'll throw in the entire first quarter against the bengals, and those 8 yards was MORE yards than the entire first quarter against the Eagles PLUS the Bengals.
Fields had higher 3rd down conversion, red zone pct, time of possession. And if you look at the first half alone, Fields even had more passing yards.
@@ChaosReigns95 5 straight games no one expected them to win. Pre-season, many picked them to finish dead last in the division. Overachieved in my book. Now, are your criticisms valid? Of course. The playoff futility is a major issue. But it all doesn't fall on Tomlin. This team lacks the talent needed to compete against the league's elite. Period.
@@Watssssswelll Is he what he was? Of course not. Is his reluctance to use the middle of the field a major issue? Absolutely. But he still has enough to win if a proper team is placed around him and scheme put into place. Look at other older QBs who found success after their skills diminished. They had teams around them that allowed them to play the role needed for the team to find success. Has Russ declined? Yes. Is he cooked? No.
As a Steelers fan, That college job and booster check 3 years ago looking really good now 😂😂😂
Tomilin seems to enjoy the "urgency" too much...
Tomlin is the coach for the Steelers. Fields would be the guy to bring back while drafting someone to possibly develop such as Will Howard if Fields don't work out, just my opinion
Why are you talking QB here? QB talent is not the issue. The issue is the lack of talent surrounding the QB and the Tomlin philosophy of how a offense should be run.
Damn. I love Mike Tomlin. Probably one of my favorite humans I don’t personally know.
If he’s a good defensive coach then spend less money on defense and make him overachieve with less instead of underachieve with the highest paid defense in the league. Spend that money on offense and let Tomlin prove he’s actually good on his side of the ball. Otherwise he’s just a good public speaker
What’s the saying about doing things the same way over and over and expecting different results?
The only people saying Mike T should leave Pittsburgh is Wypipo in the Media.
Tomlin knows he will never be fired, 8 years without competing in the playoffs.
Can Fields stop 95,90 and 85 yard TD drives? Remember when Russ fumbled on the 4? The defense then gave up a 96 yard TD drive. Fans didn’t blame the defense they blamed Russell Wilson? Get ready for that Justin. Your team could give up 299 yards rushing, they’ll want YOU gone.
Of course they should move on. What happens if they don’t? Does Tomlin all of a sudden become a good manager? Does Wilson Magically get 10 years younger? When that bus isn’t going to take you to your destination, you get on a different bus.
Fields had more than 40 yards passing in an entire first half and he certainly didn't throw pick sixes like what happened against hte Ravens, and he wasn't throwing into triple coverage on 4th and 15 either.
When did he learn to brag about how much he’s compensated???
Russ took a 4-2 team to a 10-8 team. He ended 6-6 as the starter. End that experiment.
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Russ played bad in the second half of the season, but don't act like he's the biggest problem on the Steelers. Mike Tomlin only has 3 playoff wins over the last 14 years as HC.
HAHAHA...The Steelers had one the worst Ds in the league, no Pickens & when he was there he quit.
Russ is washed
@@mspacegamma John Harbaugh has just 4 playoff wins in the last 13 years and TWICE had home field advantage and TWICE had a MVP QB. Managed 1 playoff win those two years.
You are correct, he isn't going anywhere, and neither are the Steelers.
Steelers ownership doesn't spend a lot of money on their players. Now occasionally ownership will spend money on lesser players to make sure they have a winning product on the field. So the Steelers are not the cheapest owners in the NFL. That title goes to Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys. That why Bookie's in Las Vegas where telling me Dallas last year and year before that they had no chance of winning the Super Bowl.
The Eagles and Reid both got better when they went their separate ways.... Not sure the Steelers nor Tomlin are worthy of that comparison right now, but the solution likely still fits.
Run it back with Tomlin & Wilson: Tomlin signed a 3 year extension in 2024; shore up receivers, defense & O Line. Aedin
Yeah bring back Russell Wilson! A guy who can’t throw a football & can’t escape a pass rush.
I’m sorry, your team is cooked.
It's bad enough the Steelers have a contract and decided to bring back Mike Tomlin, but to bring back a 6-6 qb who is washed and 36 years old to a team he personally led to a late season collapse. Its no way the Steelers should bring him back not at all. Resign Justin Fields
Because Denver is again paying almost all of his contract for '25, combined with no one else will make Russ much of an offer, he will be the starting QB for the Steelers 9-win team in 2025. At least 22% of the Steeler Nation will be thrilled by this.
I told everyone Tomlin ain’t going nowhere.
Why are they speaking as though Russell Wilson was the problem? Five weeks ago, the Steelers were being referred to as possible Super Bowl contenders. It seems to me that where the team has fallen off since then has been in mostly in the defense and in the running game. From the start, the Steelers were considered a good match for Wilson BECAUSE they had the defense and the run philosophy, so that he wouldn't have to be relied upon to play Hero ball. To my mind, it isn't Wilson who's failed to meet expectations.
I agree as a ardent Wilson disliker. For all his faults you can't earnestly point at him as THE problem on a team where its biggest stars like Watt completely vanished in the final critical month of the season. The team as a whole needs to take ownership for year another disappointing "winning" season. Winning....ha. All they earned was another year where they spun their wheels.
He’s not the sole problem. He also, is a guy who no rational team employees for more than a backup. His 3-4 sacks a game were crucial in killing drives.
@ Seattle fans like me understand.
If he goes somewhere else, it goes one of two ways. He gets a good QB and has some success, or he gets exposed as another average coach who is nowhere near as good as everyone thinks. Earlier this season, the fact that he had never won coach of the year was being discussed, well, now you know why.
I don't know what more people want Russ to do. Yeah he can't escape as well as he use to. But Justin would've made 10% of the throws Russ did.
If you keep tomlin at least get a OC who can adapt to the times. Move up in draft if needed and get a franchise qb
The media is concentrating on Russ intead of the poor playoff play of Darnold and Herbert. Just acting like Russ had a bad game when he actually didn't.
WTF?? Why didn't TJ get a chance to answer about whether or not Tomlin will be back next year??
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On the Kirk Cousins staying in Atlanta I don't understand why this issue keeps coming up all the time on this show about needing to get rid of Veteran QB's with guaranteed money and or a huge dead money hit. Baring the QB being a cancer in the locker room what's the downside to having them on the sideline mentoring and ready to go in when the young guy gets hurt. If you can trade them sure go ahead but who's going to agree to that trade? Teams are going to have to pay them regardless so why pay a guy to leave and then have to pay a completely different guy the veteran minimum or more to backup the young guy you decided to go with over your high paid veteran. It doesn't make sense in a league where teams end up cash strapped and having to scramble to come in under the cap. Penix won't be eligible for a contract for 2 more seasons, just keep Cousins and let him collect his money you have to pay him anyway and have a reliable backup.
I’d say get rid of all the coaches and make fields the starting qb find a star wr to put on the opposite side of Pickens and get some better offensive linemen we got nothing to lose with getting rid of all coaching staff and starting fresh
MOVE ON!!!! Tomlin needs a fresh start and so do we! If he stays it’ll just be more of the same.
Here's a question put Derek, Henry on Pittsburgh, and does he get all yards he gets with baltimore.The answer is no.
No, but they will anyway. Can't wait for them to go 9-8 next year, while after EVERY SINGLE GAME you guys crown them as AMAZING ALL-TIME CHAMPIONSHIP WINNERS. Seriously, do the Steelers have legit blackmail on these media morons?
We are the PLAY IT SAFE franchise. Look how long it took to get rid of Canada. Even when the player didn’t want him.
love coach Tomlin
Tomlin will match Landry's 20 year winning record and ride off into the sunset.
The steelers should keep Tomlin but just trade everyone for picks, tank next season and get arch
Why are they referencing a “no-trade” clause in Tomlin’s contract?? I thought coaches were merely interviewed and signed. Then fired, resign, or retire. Since when do teams ever treat coaches like players??
“No Trade” clause 🤦🏻♂️..that’s funny
Coaches can be traded. Jon Gruden was traded from Oakland to Tampa Bay in 2002.
Russ needs to go. Build around Fields.
Pittsburgh DON'T want ( Sam Darnold ) 🤔 Only Reason DARNOLD had a GOOD year is Bcuz he had ( Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison ) ... DARNOLD was almost out of the League
You still need to throw them the ball. DHop and Josh Gordon weren't exactly magical answers for the clown show of QB's they went through(TJ Yates, Tim Savage, Osweiler, Weeden, Schaub, etc)
Stay, Tomlin, stay. Proven. Vetted. Now move forward.
You will not find a better coach than Tomlin. Problem is the management continues to try to win at the highest level with subpar QB’s.
Tomlin coached Ben Roethlisberger for 14 seasons. Sub par QB you say? Two super bowl appearances during that period. Although Tomlins first SB appearance was with the Cowher built team of 2008.
@ I was talking about since Ben
TOMLIN NEEDS TO RESIGN NOW!!!!!
No, but they will like the last 8 years...
Nah let Russ walk and run it with JF, offense was on a much better pace with JF and he's young and has potential. I like Russ but his time is done
I want Justin fields to go to Miami. We need a backup or someone to push Tua. Fields would be so great in Miami offense.
Have too move on from one most definitely 3
So basically get rid of Russ, get a Yt QB, then upgrade the OL, RB, and WR positions, then blame Russ
Great, another year of 9-8 or 10-7, and either missing the playoffs or going out round one. He better go to a place like Jacksonville where they have an okay quarterback, because he's already proven that he and his staff don't know how to develop one.
Rooney already said Tomlin will be there next year. And he is no Jerry Jones. He doesn't say one thing then do another. And why is it all on Russ? Has no one else seen the atrocity that our OL is? Did no one else notice that in the last few weeks, the defense has been asleep? I'll grant you that Russ is a one trick pony with that "moon ball" bullsh*t, but where is the accountability for the guys who are supposed to protect him? Why not have one of the offensive lineman get up in front of a microphone and have them explain wtf is going on? Why not ask TJ, uhhhhhh... are sacks not your thing anymore? Are forced fumbles not your thing anymore? What happened? Something happened after Cleveland cuz the team hadn't been right since
As a ravens fan, the only smart move is to get rid of Tomlin, trade watt and Fitzpatrick for the #1 overall pick and draft Jaxson Dart 👀👀
Yes.
Come up for air Rich.
Next story. Failed again on getting rid of Tomlin this year Rich!!
Any other team would have ran him out of town. A total collapse
All he has is words.
Should they? Of course not. Will they? Yup, reruns are all the steelers do anymore.
Tomlin is stuck in his ways. Completely stuck, and doesn't want change. Get off his lawn you punk kids !!
We do not want russ back at QB or tomlin at Coach 🤦
It's time for Tomlin to go unless the Rooney's want to continue as same ole, same ole, cause once Burrow and Bengals are healthy and the Browns finally eject Watson and enter the QB solution it will get ugly for Steeler fans.
who do they replace him with huh? come on. He did pretty good this year with two garbage QBs. Change the Defense coach, develop a better secondary with a good secondary coach is a good start.
“We do not care.”
Keep making excuses for Mike Tomlin🙄
Steelers fans, yes, please run this guy out of town. Sincerely, the rest of the AFC North.
Yes Russ. DEFINITELY no tomlin. GET HIM OUT.
people who say Tomlin is still a great coach need to explain how a great coach in the league for 18 years with one team HAS ZERO COACHING TREE WHATSOEVER in the league lol even Frank Reich has a coaching tree... not one assistant or coordinator who came up through Tomlin's staffs have ever gone on to a HC job in the league, not even an OC / DC job... nobody learns anything about football working under him, he doesn't operate on any philosophical schematic concept that other teams try to emulate, he's literally become nothing but catch phrases and gaslighting and the way he's automatically and blindly defended by just about everyone shows what an elite gaslighter Tomlin has been lol
even just look at the Cowher era, it was all about toughness and grit and smash mouth football, now it's about hot head malcontent divas throwing tantrums while Tomlin makes excuses for them and lets guys do whatever they want... explains why once Cowher's players dried up from the roster, so did Tomlin's playoff success
and we SERIOUSLY gotta stop acting like Tomlin drags all these scrub teams to the playoffs when they consistently have by far the most expensive defense in the league and have top paid star players at every level of the defense every year, had the Killer B's era with absolutely elite offensive production, again stop letting Tomlin gaslight everybody like this
he's all bark and no bite
If I get re-elected I must've done nothing wrong -Trump
If I get to keep my job I must've done nothing wrong -Tomlin
Mike Tomlin is a Great Head Coach! Agree to disagree if you feel differently ✌️
Great head coaches win more than one title.
Great head coaches know clock management.
Great coaches don’t let their players take naps in meetings.
Great coaches don’t let players skip practice.
Great coaches don’t play down to the competition and treat their opponents as lethal, regardless of record.
Great coaches don’t coast off past success.
Great coaches win playoff games.
It’s not agree to disagree. He’s not him.
Yes...QB play wasnt the problem
Yes..Coach Tomlin will be back..funny nobody predicted the Steelers to win 4-5 games. They made the playoffs...Almost won the division
Steelers should sign Russ to a 4 year $200 million deal!
Ciara is that you???
@perryellis1423 lol 😂 I expect she would want 4 years $250 million fully guaranteed 😂
I hope you're being sarcastic
You're a bad man for saying that. Now it's going to happen lol
Dan Hanzus described Squeelers perfectly the other day. They're elite garbage!
I hate the Steelers so I hope they keep Russ and let Tomlin go. Lol
Get him outta here