I do think she will be a Skywalker just because of what you stated.The average movie goer isn't the hardcore fan who are drooling for every nugget.They will keep it simple.Unless they are going for the same shock that ep5 had.Lucas did the same thing.All of the movies have been kid and family friendly with enough substance for the hardcore to chew on.They need to sell toys bottom line.
You're right: The bottom line is they want to make money... and they will do whatever they think will make them the most. Don't get me wrong, I think Disney has done a fine job with Star Wars so far. But I don't try to kid myself, they purchased Lucasfilm to make a lot of money and for no other reason.
BROTHER SAID I would love that !!!! But sadly I don't think they will go that route but damn wouldn't that be an incredible story👍🏻 that's a bad ass fanfic story idea for sure!!!
Yeah, they won't go that route, but when you think about it, they'd benefit hugely if they did. If you're in the Star Wars story telling business, and you REALLY want a story line featuring a new heroine Rey as a super powerful force welder BUT you want to transition from the Skywalker storyline to a new one - what better way to do it?! Revan and Bastilla are two of the MOST popular characters in the whole Star Wars universe.You don't lose fans, you reinforce the existing fan base and come off looking quite cool and savvy. Besides, the Revan/Bastilla storyline is now canon, SO you wouldn't have to strain at the exposition: Bastilla and Revan disappeared for years at some point. You could easily say they had children who they hid for their safety (Ala Luke and Leia being hidden for their safety). That the Revan/Bastilla line leads to Rey, but her parents and grand-parents and great-great- grand parents actually forgot their ancestry. That shit would be the BOMB!
The Revan/Bastilla as Rey's ancestors storyline would be fantastic and reinforce the fan base's trust in Disney's stewardship of the Star Wars brand. Besides, the story almost writes itself! Imagine how easily it could be explained in a pivotal moment of truth scene (Snoke perhaps is battling Rey: "Have you ever wondered why your parents deserted you on Jaku? They were summoned by Skywalker - but I intercepted and destroyed them first!". "You killed them!" Rey screams. "I had to kill them lest they discover the truth. I had no idea however, they left a child behind. " Snoke replies."Why would Luke summon my parents?!" Rey demands."To reveal to them a truth he had discovered." Snoke snarls ." Your parents were the descendants of two of the most powerful force welders in the history of the galaxy!"....blah, blah, blah you get the point) ,
fine if they want to make her "nobody" but why the hell would they emphasize luke/Anakin's lightsaber "calling" to her they could have done a hundred different things to make her realize she's force sensitive but instead they hammer it home with a lightsaber that was built and weilded by a skywalker and disney was subtle as a hand grenade with what maz says , she easily could have just said this was belonged to luke skywalker, but instead goes on to mention his father everything is done for a reason they know how deeply scrutinized every last detail of this movie would be, just my 2 cents can't wait for December or better yet 2 more weeks until celebration
Maybe we viewed that the wrong way. Maybe the saber went to Rey over Kylo Ren (who we know is a Skywalker) simply to avoid falling in his hands. So it wasn't picking one Skywalker over another, but rather simply staying out of the hands of one who is unworthy of it.
claire S she's related to anakin and the force and in a way to the skywalkers because they are anakins kids and grandchildren. she's the second coming of the chosen one in a new body
It's a Disney movie, and if there is any die-hard theme Disney stands by it is that parents must be killed off or left behind. It would make no sense to somehow tie her back in to parents. Maz isn't telling Rey that her parents are gone, Maz was telling us not to expect and look for them.
6:25 The very reason everyone calls her a Mary Sue. That means Anakin was a Gary Sue...in that logic. What's the ONLY difference? Anakin is veiwed as the "chosen one" in prophecies. There were no prophecies about Rey...or were there?
I agree i think the simplest, will be the best. In an interview, Daisy Ridley said in her mind, (supposedly not told the parentage, at time of the interview), that Rey's father was Luke. Till it's said, that is what i'll go with. She Played the part, so i think she'd probably know better than anyone. other than the screen writers, of course
crazyjr Want to post a link to that interview I'd like to see it in writing. I know she said in an interview that, "she thought it was clear who her parents were. I've never seen any interview or article if her stating Rey was Luke's daughter. I mean if you want to get that technical I can find you a link to the interview with one of the actresses who tried out for the part of Rey which Back them was a casting call for "Kiera Kenobi" who they renamed Rey granddaughter or grand niece of Obiwan Kenobi. So funny how often a characters heritageband trajectory can change under a writers sword of a pen stroke or hammer on a keyboard.
I understand your theory, but you could make the same argument about Luke. Was he great because he developed many skills on his own or was it "because he was a Skywalker"? Did that make him disappointing or minimize what he accomplished on his own? I just can't see her being no one and being called on in such a very specific way. But who knows....
tylergirl1970 Luke's story is very different from Rey's because he was on a heros journey, Rey is on a heroines journey. The two tropes are extremely different and that's an understatement.
Janet Rubio No, that's like saying a male pirate and a female pirate are two different pirates even though they do the exact same thing. And by saying Luke and Rey's story are different because of gender, you're implying that Rey can't handle a man's journey.
I like your #3 theory (other than #1 Luke's daughter and #2 Han Solo's daughter) of her just being a growing up orphaned girl, never knowing her parents (or parents in the dark side of the Force like Luke and Vader parallel)! She then became self-motivated to become who she is vs who her lineage is!
I think the title of Episode 7 spoils the parenthood a little bit. The awakening in the force came from rey. If rey was a Skywalker or a Skywalker-Solo there wouldn't be a awakening because the force were already in her family. So if she was a no-one and there were no force users in her family before, there would be a awakening. Thats why I think she is really a no-one.
Or perhaps it is that of Harry Potter. Son of a famous wizard couple who had his powers awaken at a certain age. Do not assume that the Force is inherently awakened. Otherwise, Vader would have found Luke a long time ago.
Another great video. Even though a backstory like Palpatine or Qui-Gon would be interesting, it does tend to present lot of problems and would create many more questions that a reveal would normally create. I believe a good "origin" store would obviously answer who her parent(s) are, but leave the "okay, so what happened that she was left on Jakku?". One example could be to have her be a new character, yet have her origins loosely explained to her by Luke. He could've known her parent(s) and that they have a child, but didn't know that their child, Rey, survived when something horrible happened.
It'd be interesting if we never get it explained as to how and why she got left on Jakku. Perhaps, as you say, Luke did know her parents and doesn't know why they left her on Jakku. Who knows? But I think it's going to be very hard to explain why anyone took her to Jakku and left her there. Much easier to explain that she was born there and someone left her behind.
Like you said, there will be people disappointment no matter what. But, a great storyline would definitely help out both sides regardless of who she truly is.
I don't understand why people say making her Luke's daughter would be "lazy storytelling". Yes it has been done before, but it is exactly because it has been done before that making her Luke's daughter is, out of everything they could do, the most difficult thing to pull of and to make work. It would actually be the ballsiest move they could do, anything else than that would be an easier story to tell. It would be so difficult to pull of that I can't imagine them doing it, despite all the hints pointing out to it. I don't know who she will end up being, and I love that I don't know. It is sad that you are 100% right in this video, The Force Awakens was never going to satisfy every Star Wars fan, and The Last Jedi probably has even less of a chance of doing it because so many are unable to keep an open mind about what's next. I can already picture myself reading hundreds of comments on the internet next December claiming that the story we got sucks and that what they had in mind for it would have been better.
I personally love the fact that I'm not 100% sure who she'll be. I'm willing to give Disney the benefit of the doubt no matter what direction they take the story in. I don't think it'll be lazy if Rey is a Skywalker... the problem with it now is that by making it a 'mystery' (instead of just knowing who she is all along) the reveal now needs to be something special or why make it a reveal at all? Disney is in a no win situation. No matter who or what she is the internet is going to be littered with hate from angry people that the story didn't go as they want it. The greatest thing about the internet is that it gives everyone in the world a voice... and the worst thing about the internet is that it gives everyone in the world a voice.
Thor Skywalker ITA with you Thor. If she was a Skywalker why not just be upfront about it in the first place. I don't want her to be Luke's because I want her to be unique, the story has plenty of Skywalkers time for some new blood!
Dude, Rey is Lukes daughter. There are SO many Luke easter eggs in her house, her reoccuring dream is literally about the island Luke is on, when Kylo and Rey had a force pull duel for the Skywalker jedi saber Rey won. Anyone who can't see Rey is Luke's daughter is in for a painful awakening. Why would Rey go find Luke?? Why not his sister, Leia? Because Leia knows Rey is Luke's daughter. Not Finn, or whatever other wild BS people are so desperately pushing.
You seem to be desperate to convince us who she isn't rather than who she is and have disregarded other "clues" within The Force Awakens that points to her being a Skywalker or descendant thereof. Some possible clues that come to mind: Kylo's obvious interest in Rey and the power she has. The conversation between Han and Maz about who Rey is, that is cut short. Why Leia makes such a fuss to comfort Rey with the embrace at the end of the movie and the fact that Rey heads off with Chewbacca in the Falcon to find Luke. Why Chewbacca and not a member of the Resistance? Why the Falcon and not a Resistance ship? Are they subtle hints at her connection with her family or are they merely a coincidence? The whole Force dream sequence that involves a fight between Luke and Vader on Bespin, Yoda's comment, Obi Wan's comment, Unkar Plutt dragging her away as a ship flies off etc, etc. You can't simply present these sequences and not address them sometime in the future, they have to mean something. It would be nonsense to use them as clues or hints and then just turn around and go "Nah, Rey has no connection whatsoever to any of those things in the Force dream, all red herrings." Rey may not be a Skywalker, but there is more evidence in favour of her being related in someway rather than not.
As someone pointed out in another video, every single part of that force vision was essentially from the lightsaber's point of view. It was actually there or most likely there for every one of those events. So the vision doesn't really demonstrate anything about who she is, other than the lightsaber choosing her as its bearer. One big plot hole that plays strongly against her being a Solo or Skywalker: Kylo Ren doesn't know who she is. If a relative was born, wouldn't he hear about it? "Congrats, Ben, you have a new baby sister!" or "Have you met your new cousin yet?" She's old enough that she would have been born before he fell to the dark side. But he's clueless about who she is. All he knows is that she's very powerful, and she has "his" lightsaber. They're not related.
Another clue: *When Kylo is force-interrogating Rey, he sees what Rey dreams of when she's "desperate to sleep at night" -an ocean, and an island.* So yeah, Rey pretty much dreamed of Luke's location without even knowing it, and freaking Kylo Ren saw where to find Luke, and he didn't even notice he already had the information he was trying to take out of Rey xD That's a pretty big confirmation right there.
I don't get why making her a Skywalker makes her less strong as a woman. The contrary, it's saying that despite Leia wasn't the person who had the big adventures, there can also be female Skywalkers that fight, and jump and move things with their mind.
You shouldn't have read those books. Too many cooks spoil the broth. It's reasonable that Lucas shared his complete vision with Kasdan, because they know each other, as coworkers and friends. But I seriously doubt the novel and comic writers are inside enough to have been given the same vision. It's just a kitchen full of cooks, each whipping up their own recipe. As for complications, Rey finding out who her parents are is a hell of a lot less complicated than her being no one. And being Luke's daughter is a hell of a lot less complicated than her being a Solo or Kenobi. The thing about deep intricate plots, the simplistic viewer only sees the journey from point a to point b. Now, we can get from point a to point b with a complex plot or a pointless plot. The simplistic viewers aren't going to be following the story anyway, just the bright shinies. It doesn't matter to them if the path from point a to point b is masterful or nonsensical, but it matters to us who need more from it than Bugs & Daffy. There's no law that says good feasible stories have to give up the bright shinies.
If Rey's parents are irrelevant to the story, it's still a better revelation than her being Luke's daughter. But for me it's best if she's a Kenobi descent or Palpatine descent, and this wouldn't make the movie too complex since Disney can make an explanation in movie about Obi Wan being a legendary Jedi master who helped Anakin and Luke, or being a very powerful force user like Emperor Palpatine that almost brought wreck to the galaxy. Why it's not too complex? In Episode VII there's even Darth Vader's mask and my friends who watched Episode VII as first Star Wars were okay with it.
I still think one of Disney's main goals is to show that Rey is a self created character, if you will. That her story is before her, not behind. That what she'll become is important, not where (or who) she came from.
I don't think she's a Skywalker but I do think that if her parents' identity was truly irrelevant then Rey's force vision in Awakens wouldn't have included them. I suspect that at least one of them will be a character who is so well known that even if this is you're first Star Wars film you'll have some idea who it is and that there will be some exposition in the plot. I'm hoping that she's Obi Wan's granddaughter and for one of her parents (face to face or via a recording or even written letter) to reveal this. Maybe they have sent Luke a message explaining why they left her on Jakku and asking him to find her when the time is right and "as my father started you on your path in the force, guide her on the journey".
I'm all ready for Rey Phasma. Captain Phasma acted mighty strange for a dedicated member of the First Order. We already know she practically raised Finn and the others of his unit, and while she was an FO hardliner back then, she still acted like Finn's mother. Now clearly they're not related, but this attitude is also shown towards Rey. Remember, Phasma is a soldier, probably the single most talented First Order stormtrooper. She *taught* Finn, so she would know how to take on both Finn and Rey when she's instead captured. Why then did she *let* herself be captured? What's her motivation? I can't see any personal gain in it; the only thing that makes sense is sentiment. It's her treatment of Rey that really surprised me however. I can understand her letting Finn leave, if she subconsciously considers him a son, but Rey is an unknown. Why did she treat Rey the same? My thoughts are that she knows who Rey is, and who Rey is to *her*.
Her being a nobody makes this much more interesting, because it makes the Galaxy that much bigger. She already said she though Luke Skywalker was a myth. She would've been old enough to know him when she was dumped on Jakku.
I'm not sure what kind of "misuse of the Force" is being implied by Chris manaloe here. I think what we will all see as the final trilogy continues is that the Force is more than Jedi and Sith. Maz even makes the case of seeing evil in many forms over her 1000 year life: The Sith (no doubt referencing the Jedi/Sith War, when there was a company of Sith Lords before Bane instituted the "Rule of Two"), The Empire (with no reference to the Sith behind its formation) and the First Order, which, while being led by a darksider is not Sith at all. I think this makes the story much bigger.
Honestly, if Rey comes from a lineage that is in no way related to past characters, her character will become stronger and more complex, as she won't be shaped by her past, but by her future
With the trailer out now, I was side tracked on who Rey was only, where she and Luke would be going. I'm thinking that's exactly what they plan to do, that you're right and they aren't going to relate her to her past but her future. Great video!!!
ultimate answer..luke at an young age..had a had time to lift the lightsaber out of the snow on hoth..rey mind triks and get the lightsaber out of the snow in the end.. too much force power
I couldn't agree more with this video. Hearing these theories about Rey being the embodiment of the Force, or Rey being a clone of Palpatine/Vader/Luke, or the daughter/granddaughter of Obi-Wan Kenobi, I can't help but think how convoluted they are. Each one of these theories would require a MASSIVE amount of exposition, which would cause the narrative to be so clunky and messy. Simplicity is key and would be required to tell the leanest, most-punchy story possible.
Simplicity is the key. The more complex her origin, the more screen time is devoted to it and the more likely you are to lose people. What people often forget is there can be beauty in simplicity, and if the story itself is interesting and done right she doesn't need to be the clone of Anakin's reincarnation... who had a child with Obi-Wan....
somebody on TH-cam got it right! i actually never saw the "nobody" parents theory before so i ddint even expect that when she said that she was sold for booz
They have stated quite clearly, this is a continuation of the Skywalker story. Now, regardless of Ben and Luke. Rey is the main protagonist, this has been stated clearly. So, if the main character of this film isn't a Skywalker family member, then it's not a continuation. Really, it's that simple. You can analyse little things all day. But simple is the best, and she's Anakin's grand daughter, that's nice and simple.
She can be a huge part of the Skywalker story without having to be a Skywalker. The prequels were as much Obi-Wan's story as they were Anakin's and he wasn't a Skywalker. The same way this sequel trilogy could be as much Kylo/Ben's story (not to mention Luke) without Rey being a Skywalker. I just think her being a Skywalker would also be overkill. Sure, it is the Skywalker saga but not everyone has to be from that family to matter in the galaxy.
George Lucas was clearly intending Anakin to be the main protagonist of the Prequel Trilogy. The reason why he put more emphasis on the love story between Anakin and Padme in Attack of the Clones was because he realize that it was becoming more of an Obi-Wan story rather than Anakin. He must learned his lesson after The Phantom Menace, namely that the movie had no central protagonist. Whether you like it or not, this is a Skywalker story and Rey is going to be our main protagonist for the entire Sequel Trilogy. They are not going to shift it to Kylo Ren like they did with Anakin. Besides, I don't think it's an overkill. Skywalkers always have a strange phenomenon of attracting coincidences to an absurd degree. That's the charm of Star Wars, is it not?
One thing I'm still not sure why it's not even considered is the fact that she could be Del Toro's daughter. I get we know nothing about his character, but it's still a strong possibility.
I personally think Finn's story will be more about taking on the First Order, that his main advisory in these movies will be Phasma (who will get a bigger role) and that he won't see Rey again till Episode IX. I don't think he'll have anything to do with being a Jedi, that him with the lightsaber was just a huge distraction they used leading up to Episode VII to hide the fact that Rey was going to be our new Jedi.
I'm a hardcore fan, I have star wars tattooed on me. your theories are amazing and I can completely agree with you on everything you say but I agree that Disney will not ruin these movies by not making Rey a Skywalker or a Kenobi, if she's just a nobody and a new lead I'm all for it and think it makes the story amazing
Great video. Solid theory and well thought out. I'm a hard-core fan, but I love the simplicity of star wars for the newbies as much as I love the most minute detail like we all do! Thanks for posting!
Rey IS the chosen one. She was force-born. The prophecy will finally be fulfilled. If that's disappointing to anyone then screw them. Balance is coming to the force, like it or not.
I like what you've said and I never thought of how Rey being related to Luke or Obi Wan taking away what's been established of her from her learning to be strong or self sufficient on her own. And i think I'll love Rey more as a character if it turns out her parents aren't relevant to the story or not related to anyone we know
Everything ive seen has pointed to her being a Skywalker. I want her to be a skywalker i don't understand the people saying it would make her character weak.
Thank you for saying what I couldn't ut into words. I feel the same as you on this. Star Wars fans forget about that first time they sat in awe watching their first Star Wars movie or series, and how great it was.
I still think shes a Skywalker. Her being a main character and just being a nobody doesn't make sense when most of the movies have been about the Skywalker family feud. Seems to be some kind of dark revenge to have the children of Luke and Leia battle it out.
Michael Jackson makes sense for her to be Rey Random. More sense than it does for her to be a Skywalker and wayyyyyyyyyyyy wayyyyyyyyyyyy easier to explain.
Nah actually the opposite. The whole movie saga has revolved around a family. Makes more sense for Finn to be a nobody. You think they will just ignore the whole family Skywalker feud? Ren is obviously the replacement for Vader so someone has to replace Luke. Its only logical and predictable for Rey to be related to Luke and Ren.
Why would the movie and all the marketing make a huge deal out of who Rey's parents are if the answer is "no one"? If I had to put money on it, Rey is Luke's daughter (that he didn't know he had).
I'm not sure the marketing made a big deal of her origin, other than that one line in the trailer "I'm no one" which for all we know was the first hint they tried to give that she will indeed be no one... Most of the huge deal about her origin was created by the fans leading up to the movie and certainly since it's come out.
She is the clone of Luke. It was taken out of the hand that Luke lost in the ESB. She is strong with the force, she is a good pilot, and in her flashbacks she had this vision of cloud city hall where Luke lost his hand. Ta ra..., mistery solved. That is why there was going to be a scene of Luke's hand floating in space.
I just don't see why _"making herself strong and capable"_ would suddenly imbue her with a strength in The Force that even _Luke_ couldn't muster until after he had trained for several weeks with Yoda. Also, it doesn't go anywhere to explain the presence of Lor San Tekka and the map to finding Luke Skywalker, being conveniently on the _same planet._
Wait I disagree that giving Rey "lineage" cheapens her accomplishments. Genetics lays a HUGE part in what we're capable of accomplishing, will and determination take genetics to its potential but they can't be denied either.
well, that weird lady.. ya know the one when rey finds lukes saber... says that rey knows the truth, the ones she's waiting for wont ever come... so, her parent's are dead.
Thank you for brining that up. Maz Kanta is the new "Yoda" of this trilogy, the old and wise one, so I'm pretty sure she knows what she's talking about in that scene: That Rey's parent's truly are not coming back.
I agree. The more complex the theory, the less likely Disney would use it. The easiest would be if Rey was, well, Rey. Second easiest would be if she was a Skywalker or Solo. Then it gets considerably more complex. I don't think Disney wants to spend that much time in the movie explaining things. How much is too much time? Your guess is as good as mine. Personally, I don't think they'll spend more than 15 minutes worth of explanation. Then, any other part of the explanations needed will be worked into the film as part of the overall plot, with small "reveals" along the way. I would be totally cool with some of the more exotic theories, but, as I said, I think they're less likely for sure.
Time is so very precious in a Star Wars movie. You bring up a great point: the more complicated you make it the more time you have to spend explaining... the less time you have for everything else they need to get into this movie.
Rey's not a Skywalker or a Solo. The Force Awakens and the canonized materials have already debunked any possibility of that. However, I do think there's something about Rey's lineage. She could be from an Imperial Dark Side family. But anyway, she could also be a random, which is not so bad. Great video.
I think that your point about how "Star Wars isn't for the hardcore fans" is, by far, your most valid one, and by itself, could both carry this video, and explain many other aspects of the SW universe and its development. I also feel that your arguments in favor of Rey's parents being unknowns, are perfectly reasonable. I can never pronounce ANY argument to be infallible, since logic can be overwritten by the whims of Disney and JJ Abrams, but your reasonings are perfectly sound, particularly regarding the revelations in Rey's pre-TFW appearances, and how preoccupation with her ancestry could overshadow her accomplishments. Having said that, I'd assert two things. First, that while you worry about Rey's ancestry invalidating her strengths somehow, many fans may be of the opinion that a certain kind of origin story is needed to *explain* them somehow. After all, what Rey's accomplished is still pretty remarkable, maybe even stretching credulity. And with the only parallel sort of character development being someone like Anakin or one of the other Jedi characters, viewers may be naturally primed to look in that direction. "Blood never lies" may not be a very modern or democratic concept, but it's driven much of Star Wars storytelling for two generations. Also, we mustn't forget that Rey's ancestry could potentially open up critical *story possibilities* that might otherwise not materialize. For example, your own theory that Rey's origin on Jakku is the key, leads us towards exploring the planet's history and importance, and possibly, a final showdown there. The Kenobi and Skywalker theories could open up issues of Rey coping with a legacy that's bigger than she is. Ditto my favorite, the Palpatine theory, which not only does that, but brings up the issue of a "spawn of evil" who may or may not want the job, may be treated unfairly, and so on. So there are some reasons to tie Rey into the story through ancestry.
Excellent points. However I almost think you need a better explanation for some of the things Rey did (mainly the reversal of the mind probe on Kylo Ren and the ability to 'channel the Force' at the end of her duel with Kylo) than just being a Skywalker. Yes, Anakin as a boy was already an incredible pilot that could compete in pod racing (the only human that could do it) and he 'lucked' into blowing up the droid control ship at the end of Episode I... and Luke was able to blow up the death star with a 'lucky' shot with like only ten minutes of training from Obi-Wan... but what Rey does goes above and beyond any of that. Not even trained do we ever see Luke or Anakin channel the Force or become possessed by it, whatever truly happened there, yet Rey was able to do that with no apparent training of any kind. You're also right that Rey's ancestry could open up some really new and cool story possibilities... and I could be dead wrong, and maybe Disney/Lucasfilm gives their audience the benefit of the doubt and we'll get a little more 'story heavy' with these next two movies. I certainly hope they do but I don't think they'll go too far with it.
Great video man. Much appreciated. With all the theories floating around out there. I am now leaning towards two ideas. One that she is a reincarnated chosen one (explaining why the light saber out to her and called to her and why everything is easy for her and why she could fight back against Kylo and why kylo fears her) OR whatever Palpatine was uncovering on Jakku in the Aftermath Novels from ancient times (force shrine, nexus, whatever) has somehow planted or done something to Rey in terms of the force.
I think your two theories (or even a combination of them) could be on the right track and neither one is too difficult to explain. She could be somehow another 'chosen one' type that was born on Jakku because of the light side nexus at the center of the planet. Again, that wouldn't be the hardest thing for the audience to understand.
I am not a fan of the Rey Skywalker for many reasons, one of them is the fact that if she is a Skywalker, two of the main characters (Rey and Kylo) would be Skywalkers, and it gives the impression that only the Skywalkers matter, as if the protagonist has to be a Skywalker and if a character is not from that family, she/he's not worth being an important character (that's just my opinion, also sorry if it didn't make sense). In both the original trilogy and the prequels, the main characters are Skywalkers (which is normal) and I know that it's supposed to be the Skywalker saga but I would like to see something new as for the protagonist while still following the Skywalkers as important characters as well. If she's a Skywalker, i'll be dissapointed but they know what they're doing.
That actually makes a lot of sense. If Rey is a Skywalker they are pretty much saying that they are the only ones that matter or can have an impact in the galaxy. I'm ready for something new in the galaxy.
cuz the original trilogy wasn't about 2 Skywalkers...smh...are you for real? I know, we can make another Friday the 13th movie and instead of Jason in a Hockey mask it can be Gordie Howe killing campers. a sequel to Nightmare on Elm Street with one of the witches from the Craft who invades your dreams...it might be the first Nightmare on Elm Street some of these people have seen and they won't know the difference. let's do another Chuckey movie but have a devious looking care bear in the starring role instead. you people irritate the hell out of me.
when I was younger I read a book that l. and han solo had twins. I wonder if that was going to happen.... when rey told han her name didn't you see a weird face expression, by leia didn't so I am not sure what to make of that situation.
There has to be a new generation Skywalker. Skywalker-Solo doesn't quite fill that order. If Rey is not a Skywalker, they will have to introduce Ben Skywalker. Or, since they're switching that around, Jacen or Jaina Skywalker, or both.
the book the empires end makes quite clear Ben is a skwalker and Liea kept her name organa and when Ben was born the solo name was taken ... Luke was there... Pablo and the books both confrim Ben is the skywalker Grandeur you are correct ... and JJ has said this saga is driven by Ben;s backstory and not Reys.
Winter Star Yes, exactly! Ben wants to be like his grandfather...Who was Anakin SKYWALKER. I believe this trilogy will focus on his redemption and taking his rightful place in the Skywalker legacy. I think in the end he will indeed wield Anakin's and Luke's lightsaber.
WanagiAkicita I don't know. I think Rey IS suppose to be Jaina. Jaina did have a purple light saber, and Rey used both the light and the dark side of the Force throughout The Force Awakens.
Leah had an affair with an unknown Kenobi. Rey is both a Skywalker and a Kenobi, a blending of the two most powerful force sensitive bloodlines. that why Luke's saber called to her, why obi wan talked to her, why Leah recognized her. she is Kylo Rens half sister, they went uncle Luke's academy together. when Kylo turned, Luke and Leah together dropped her off on jakku. that's why she says her "family" is coming back, not her "parents".
I think it's because people love talking and speculating about Star Wars... and it gives them a way to share their love for it in between the yearly movie releases. For some, the journey to the next movie is almost as fun and exciting as the movie itself.
Speculation is what leads to let downs, like yeah it's cool to theorize but don't go into the theater expecting what you've molded the perfect movie to be. That's why people are hating on Episode VIII so much now.
The "bigger, better Death Star" tells me that these people didn't think much more complicated than her being Luke's daughter. I am all for any of the above explanation. But the "Death Star planet" thing just tells me they didn't think too hard about this. They will default to what works. And what works is, she is a Skywalker.
we;ve discussed her "being" a Palpatine at length, and it would be dope... but i think she is gonna be some kind of "reincarnation" of a chosen one type... i dont think she will have special parents... i like the palpatine link though, cuz then her possibly going ot the darkside, or extra temptation, can really be explored more
I LOVE the idea of her being a Palpatine or his creation. It's probably my favorite. But she is going to be something simple, like another 'vengeance'' in the Force meant to bring balance.
was just talking to my brother about all this, like literally right now... he's into star wars big time too, at one point more than me, as he read a lot, had a ton of comics, etc...but he stays within the story, doesnt go off and theorize and talk to others about it, like me/us... anyway... we somehow got to the "will rey and ren/ben ever break bread, bone, and have a kid?"...they have some connection, people think that Ren can't be redeemed, people think Rey will go Dark, who knows...BUT... if somehow they make it happen, and pull it off and they wind up together... i can see them going into the next trilogy with something LIKE the Yuuzahn(?) Vong, this crazy alien race or threat or whatever, that is going to wipe out the whole galaxy, is force resistant, and finally only the child of Rey/Ren has enough Force power to wield it in a way that the Vong finally succumb to it... PLUS, if they are going Grey for sure, and accepting both sides of the force in these new movies, both light and dark, the child of those 2, WITH skywalker blood in him too, would, i'd say, be the most pwoerful force user ever for real, even more than luke... anyway, i know it's WAYYY out there, but the reason i even say it here, is because i think that Rey's origin might have a HUGE impact on what she does with/to Kylo Ren, AND any offspring will be tremendously important in the next trilogy (which i think we KONW they will do, after all, there's $$$$$$$ to be made!)
I agree with the both of you. If "Reylo" does happen and they end up having a child... that's going to be one hell of a powerful child. Also the next trilogy has to have a different kind of threat than just 'someone trying to take over the galaxy'. I'd have to imagine The First Order will be defeated at the end of this trilogy... so it'd be terrible when the new trilogy comes out if a new "Empire" tries to come about again. THAT would be lazy storytelling. I think the next trilogy (or whatever happens in the future of Star Wars) is something that has to threaten the galaxy or life itself. Maybe there's something crazy that exists out in the Unknown Regions or a threat emerges from beyond their galaxy.
right, and that's why i think the Yuzaahn Vong (i should really stop being lazy and get the right spelling of them)...because it's not like just an army, or some all powerful being...it's a whole new race, that has a great back story, what with the Force pretty much "kicking them out" of their will, their disdain for technology, and destroying all droids and ships and stuff...their use of biotechnology, and their ships and stuff kinda resembling the chitauri in avengers (as i write that, i think THAT comparison may be why we don't see them on screen), and overall, their brutal nature, and desire to not just "rule the galaxy," but to purge it of the life that currently inhabits it, so they can settle in, especially after their brutality pretty much ravaged their world and way of being and that's why they're there... doesnt necessarily have to be THEM to a "T," but could be some variation of them, inspired by Legends.... they can also tie it in nicely with the "presence of immense power" that Sidious felt in the outer/unknown region, and how he wanted to see if it was a threat, an ally, or someone he can dominate and use for himself and consume THEIR power. However, cuz i am THOROUGH and love the sound of my hands typing (as opposed to my own voice, as it's said lol), is that that could in essence make Palpatine look like the GOOD GUY after all this time, as he would have been drawn to that power, and ramping up to protect HIS GALAXY from invasion and extinction! Im sure a group of talented writers can of course get around this somehow....
hmm, maybe this is what Luke and Ben saw that freaked them out, that made Ben go dark and Luke go..wherever he went? Maybe Ben thought it was the best way to get the desired outcome against them? Dark side is after all a fast track to immense power. I remember the yuzaahn vong, they were crazy difficult to defeat in the EU and Anakin Solo (Leia and Han's youngest son) died fighting them if i recall...
Again another great video. I love the real world logic and high level overview you bring to this universe. As you said, it is a much different thing that the die hard fan wants versus what the business needs to be able to sell successfully. That being said, I think that Disney has more up their sleeve than they are letting on. I think that they absolutely want to do all of the things you mentioned. But, they also want to create and perpetuate even more fervor in the fan base understanding the value and the underlying loyalty. Therefore, they (IMO) are dead set on delivering us some major twists that will tie in the new with the old while keeping it simple as you noted for newer fans. This approach makes the most total sense as they do as much as they can to bring along the loyal fan base while building on it exponentially. How does this impact the storytelling? That remains to be seen however we can all agree that Rey is at the epicenter of it all and how her story goes so goes the future of the SW universe. I'm not sure how it will turn out and obviously all we can do is speculate. But I do believe that Disney is working and will will continue to laboriously sculpt an all-inclusive story for newbies and die hards alike. In the mix some will get lost for sure but I feel confident they are going to take measures to ensure that happens at a minimum level.
You're absolutely right. Disney will do their best to keep the hardcore fans happy... and yet keep these movies (and the franchise as a whole) easily accessible. There has to be a fine line between making stories that generate new fans while keeping the old ones happy, and that has to be no easy task. I wouldn't be surprised if, at every meeting (or however these things get decided) they don't stop at points and ask: will this make the diehard fans happy while still being something newbies can understand? There will be twists in these next two movies, ones that I think hardcore fans will appreciate and yet won't confuse newcomers. I have a lot of faith in Disney and that they didn't spend all this money to mess up Star Wars, but to do right by fans while still making themselves a lot of money.
this is the most positive channel honestly about rey. most sw male fans wanna just call her a mary sue and say it's unrealistic. the entire series is fiction ffs it's disney let people just enjoy it
Malachi 4 Luke and Anakin were powerful from the get go, so that argument is moot. She's not perfect, she has a struggle..it's just within....emotionally.
I personally think that the title, "The Force Awakens" is a clear message that the The Force has some kind of collective conscious and has taken upon itself to balance out life energy by creating another Chosen One. Remember that Anakin, who is The Chosen One do no more than have keenly alert senses enough to pilot a racer (and not even that good in his previous race loses). Likewise Rey would not know of her inner powers. Both smart and crafty, both born to seemingly to planets that didn't have Force recognizing systems actively monitoring children (side note, some children in the Star Wars Universe are unfound by the Jedi Order, not training them at an early age and end up becoming Sith. Darth Maul's mother gave him to Sidious, not the Jedi.) The key I think is that the force needs to equalize itself. When Qui-Gon says, " He is the Chosen One, he will bring balance." He refers to a prophecy . It is said that Anakin will bring balance just doesn't say how. The corrupt evil that had taken a 1000yrs to unbind the balance was so strong that it would take more than Anakin, his children and grandchild to bring the Darkside to balance hence another Chosen One. Even Neo wasn't he first in The Matrix.
Sadly there is major flaw with the whole basis of your argument here. George Lucas drafted this story decades ago. Kathleen Kennedy came aboard as he was sales pitching the draft to Disney and Michael Ardnt did the first screen play to proove proof of concept to Disney. JJ Abrams only modified bits of it with Lawrence Kasdan once he got on board, at its core though the story always remained Lucas'. Lucas's big complaint about Ep 7 was it was a copy of IV, not that they changed the core characters. Anyways Kathleen was hired since she was a personal friend of Lucas and he knew she'd follow the core of his drafts, even if she had to change minor details of them because of Disney or any Director. So the original idea for Rey was never a strong female lead, it was always the conclusion to the Skywalker family saga and the conclusion of the prophecy of the Chosen One. Lucas based Star Wars upon stories like Dune and King Arthur which are both family sagas. Sure John Carter of Mars and Flash Gordon got thrown in and Hidden Fortress, but the protagonist's journeys have always been tied to the first two mentioned. Rey will be related to someone, as long as Lucasfilm doesn't drastically alter Lucas's drafts. My bet is Luke, though I see Palpatine or Snoke as other contenders (not Kenobi or Han/Leia though) either solely or shared with Luke. Thematically, I think it works best if she's both a Skywalker and another known bloodline too. I personally see Vader more akin to Uther Pendragon, Luke more akin to Paul Atreides, Kylo as Mordred, and Rey as a mash-up of Leto II & Ghanima Atreides. Leia is more of an Alia Atreides to me. I'm personally hoping Rey's mother is Mara Jade, but I'm expecting to get a more Morgan Le Fay type character instead (though Mara could easily be rewritten that way with little actual changes to her character from legends). I'm not saying that they'll follow all the paths of these characters, just that thematically there are parallels. Rey isn't a nobody, she just believed she was one. This trilogy wasn't penned by Kathleen Kennedy for the sake of creating a strong female character, it was penned by Lucas concluding his story and bowing out. He just let Kathleen play a bit with his strong female character who is related to someone, most likely Luke though I see her being a Palpatine also as a possibility. Her being related to Snoke is the wild card based on what they do with him in 8 and 9. Rey being a girl was simply likely because Lucas had a new baby girl when this was happening, plus he had 2 adopted daughters as well... and he knew Kathleen Kennedy would love to make a strong female character but she, being a friend, would also honor his story. The stories Kathleen can do what ever the heck she wants with are the Anthology films, like Rogue One.
Jonathan Ryan Right because Rey can't be a character all her own and Kylo be the Skywalker in the saga. The story always has to be about Luke. We can't love Rey as her own character apart from the Skywalker family. If she's the main Protagonist than she has to be Luke's because then that makes him once again the central focus of the story. I'm sorry I don't agree with your statement about her being a Skywalker. It's like your saying, "yeah I love Rey! Now how does she relate to Luke because he's the main character of the saga and that can't ever change." It can change and I'm sorry but Kylo is the last Skywalker and is just as important a character as Rey making it still a Skywalker story. I'm happier if she is Rey Random, and remains a unique and intriguing character all her own. If she's a Skywalker I'm ok but it's very boring and predictable story then with very low stakes. If she is I'm not expecting much from this trilogy because then it's just a replay of the original as many have already accused it of being and that's sad. I respect you but I respectfully agree to disagree.
Khepera Bowlin-Jones Everyone has their own opinion. I happen to love her character, she's a bad ass girl kicking Kylo's ass every time he turns around and I'm for seeing a woman be strong enough to kick a guys ass lol but I respect your opinion it's all cool.
Janet Rubio The story is not about Luke. It's about Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. Luke's entire character revolves around his father. How to live up to his father's Jedi legacy and how to avoid the evil path of Darth Vader. That's why people want Rey to be a Skywalker. Because it fits the family theme started with Luke and Anakin. It also prevents people from accusing Rey of being a Mary Sue.
Evan Pan-Bao I don't think Rey is a Mary Sue if she's not a Skywalker, and you just proved my argument but twisted it from Luke to Anakin/Vader. "Rey is great, but how does she relate to Anakin and Luke?" I'm sorry like I said agree to disagree. I just don't see the story that way. I see Kylo as being the main Skywalker in the story. Solo or not his mom is a Skywalker. I also see him as a huge parallel to both Luke and especially Anakin. Do they really need another Skywalker ? I'm not being disrespectful towards anyone for their view of the story I promise. I'd like for her to be her own persona apart from the Skywalker family. That's just my wish and apparently the wish of millions of other fans as well. There are many who feel the way you do also and that's ok. Hey you never know they might make her his long lost kid that will take up so much screen time explaining that we don't have more than 10 minutes of all the other characters to explain how that happened lol I'm sorry I just don't see her being a Skywalker. You're entitled to your opinion though and if she is I'm happy for Luke and for you and the millions of fans out there who think that will be a good story. If (and that's a HUGE IF!) that happens I'll be one of the disappointed fans out there. No matter who she is in the end there's going to be a lot of people upset by it, right? JJ Mr. Abrams, Sir you built that mystery box all WRONG! And way way to big lol good luck to you I hope you have a good week 😊👍🏻
I honestly don't have much sympathy for Rey at the moment, she seems too shallow. I just don't like the idea of her being too good at everything for no particular reason because to me, all great characters have both strengths *and* weaknesses. This is what makes a character believable and relatable to the general audience regardless of gender, race, or whatever. As for her being a completely new and original character, I'm absolutely fine with that! She just doesn't have to be good at everything to be a great character.
***** if you read my comment you'd know I said "at the moment" which means I'm very open to her character development in the upcoming stories. Luke in ANH was not good at everything. He required assistance in order to succeed. Obi-wan had to tell him what to do with an unexpected come back from Han Solo otherwise he would have failed and died with the rebellion over Yavin IV. You're supposed to show a characters potential in the first movie and have them learn what they're capable of. Their great moments are meant to be saved for their developed future to show how they've risen above. My point is, potential and outcome are two very different things. I didn't say she was without fault, I said she has too many strengths. She's able to do more than a believable character can, it's called being human when you're good at some things but also bad at others. My point has nothing to do with her accepting her own future. I've also never made any accusations about Rey and Anakin, I'm focusing on the alleged similarities between her and Luke, not Anakin. You're answering things I haven't even said, don't put words into peoples mouths and expect to be right. Now I suggest less kindly, you shut up.
Hey man, remember me? I am one of your first 1000 subs and I have got to admit your channel is making progress. Regarding the idea that many fans will be disappointed with Rey's origin once it's revealed no matter what it is, I couldn't have said it better myself. That's the issue with having such hugely popular movie franchises in the modern era of the Internet and TH-cam etc. either someone will guess the mystery or everyone will be mad that the mystery wasn't what they though it was. By the way are you a full-time youtuber? You must be super committed if you have time to do all the things that you mentioned at the beginning of the video. I'd love to see you do some collaborations with other star wars youtubers.
I'm not a full time TH-camr, I actually have a full time job and family.... and pretty much no free time anymore, lol. But you're absolutely right that one of the problems with the internet and TH-cam is that it builds expectations to unrealistic levels... meaning there are going to be a lot of disappointed people when the movie comes out and is either nothing like we've all been guessing... or is exactly like we've all been guessing. As much as I love doing this, it does in a way contribute to the problem... But anyway, yes I do remember you. And I do thank you for all your early support.
the fact that Daisy Ridley said that she thought it was obvious who her parents were in the original tells me that it has to be somebody that we know. I think she needs to be a Skywalker. I hope she is Luke's daughter. I know a lot of people say that that would be lazy this and and what not but I think that's the wrong way to look at it. Being Luke's daughter would be the logical thing to do. these episodes being Skywalker trilogy means you need to bring in the next generation of Skywalkers period I get that kylo Ren is a Skywalker but Daisy is much more the main character therefore she should be a Skywalker as well. I'd be totally fine with her being Han and Leia's daughter but I think being Luke's daughter would have much more of an impact and do much more for this movies themselves. We get to see a relationship that we never had with Anakin, Darth Vader comma and Luke. Ray has the potential to be one of the strongest Jedi, like her father before her. giving us the strongest Jedis fighting side-by-side. again something Luke had missed out on when he was a young adult. the one positive of being Han and Leia's child would be that Rey and kylo would be brother and sister and I think that dynamic going up against each other stronger than cousins battling. although I think that would work as well for the simple fact that it's family against family.
Good subject Thor. We need to remind ourselves from time to time of this point. We hardcore types want and crave deeper and more complex stories with rich history steeped deep in the SW lore. Of course we also know that would require a lot of screen time even for us and would never make any sense to the rest of the audience. There is a way, however, for them to do both. I'm not speaking of specifics here but they can give us a simple story that the casuals can follow but yet can give us details that connect dots giving us the complexity and depth we desire but without any of that being anything more than Easter eggs. So long as none of that is required for the audience to follow and keep up and so long as they never get a sense of being lost or on the outside of an inside joke, so to speak. They have been doing this quite well and they can do the same with subjects like Rey and Snoke.
They did that exact thing very well in Rogue One. I remember when Gold & Red leader showed up in that movie and I wanted to literally cheer... while others around me had no reaction at all because they didn't connect the dots to Episode IV. I'd love it if they do more of that in the future... or even with the novelizations of the movies go far more into depth than they do in the movies themselves. Not so much that it changes the story, but just gives that little bit of extra depth we more passionate fans want.
Another great video. I agree with you on Rey and great point on Star Wars theory and speculation. Definitely another part of Star Wars entertainment. Absolutely love fan theories and speculating over characters/storylines. You've got a great channel and well thought out videos.
i love hearing your theories as they are well composed and explained. I'm on the fence on Rey's origin and, truthfully, after hearing all the different fan theories, i feel the official parentage reveal will not be a surprise. in my opinion, the safest course is to default, as you mention, to abandonment with no origin. I'd love to see if you can find support in your vast understanding of the star wars universe to convince folks she is related to our beloved jar jar binks. if anything, it would be an entertaining piece.
The point has been made before that if Rey is either not related to some powerful force user, or we just don't learn of who they are, then it makes for a stronger message to the younglings in the audience. The message being that she can be this powerful, important, relevant, and exciting regardless of her lineage. That way every kid recognizes that they have unlimited potential and their futures are not already mapped out, with boundaries, from birth.
A reasonable theory but it doesn't make sense with how much of a big deal TFA made about her identity. Everyone was concerned about who she was and that information was hidden from us in such a way as to yell at us "We're not telling you who she is yet." When Maze asked and the scene cut is the example that comes to mind immediately. She has to have some significant identity because they went out of their way to show us that they were hiding that identity from us. If she really was to be a nobody who just made her self strong then they would have left that dialog out or they would have shown the answer "I don't know.." Further a staple in Star Wars is that the bad things that happen are often initiated by the good characters. IE Obi Wan training Anakin "You'll be the death of me." "Don't say that Master." and Bobba Fet being set off by Obi Wan as well. It would make sense that something about Rey will be tied back to some action of Obi Wan.
Did the movie make that big of a deal about her identity? Or did it show a clip of someone abandoning her on Jakku and then in the very next seen our new old, wise Yoda like character tells her that "whoever they are, they're never coming back"? Was that maybe supposed to be a big clue that her parents are not relevant to the story? That maybe whatever is ahead of her is more important than what is behind....
I agree. That's why I think she'll be a Kenobi, cause it's a simple explanation. Obiwan hooked up with someone at the cantina in episode 4 in secret and then that person flew to cloud city and had her child put into carbonite storage and then the child was found 20 years later. Simple, elegant, easy to follow. Not convoluted at all.
Another great video Thor & I think you're spot on with your continued insistence that the main story must remain simple. JJ mentioned as much in some of his earliest interviews prior to the release of TFA. It seems to me the way the first couple of years under Disney has panned out that the films & TV series will remain pretty simple & easy for the masses to follow. What I think we hardcore fans will continue to get are teasers & easter eggs in the on screen stuff with the novels exploring the intricate details we more hardcore fans love. Thanks again for all your great content Thor.
I agree, I think they will always keep Star Wars pretty simple so the masses can watch and enjoy it, but they will always put little things in there for the hard core fans to find and enjoy. Rogue One was already a perfect example of this.
I have to agree with your theory. Correct me if I am wrong (since I am not your average SW fan-boy, I merely enjoy all the stories about the franchise), but aren't there plenty of Star Wars characters who were gifted force users while none in their family lineage were force sensitive at all? Rey could be just similar case - just being born as force sensitive (although the flash-backs of her being left on the planet probably have deeper meaning)
Absolutely Marek, all things are still possible with Rey's lineage. That's why there are so many plausible theories banging around out there. Personally I really enjoy all the different theories, even the ones I don't agree with. The facts are none of us really know, but I have a lot of fun listening to people like Thor who post these great videos exploring all the different possibilities.
At this stage I do believe Rey is Luke's daughter, or at least connected to her in a major way...either through blood, or some weird force connection. The first thing that people often say to this is why did Luke leave her, or why didn't Han and/or Leia recognise her, or if Luke thought she was dead, wouldn't the strong Skywalker force usage allow him to know she was alive. Well, my thought is more that if she is Luke's daughter, he believes her dead...and as for not detecting her...Anakin/Darth Vader was inches away from Leia and still never picked up on her being his daughter and she is just as much a Skywalker as Luke. Now, why the strong connection to Luke...the obvious is the lightsaber, and probably the thing that would make many believe she is a Skywalker...but for me, the connection to Luke is shown mostly when Kylo is trying to search her mind for the map...and she has seen it...but instead he sees the island where Luke is, something Rey should not have known. There is also the fact that R2 finally finds the rest of the map and wakes up at the same time that Rey actually gets close to where he is...but that can probably be explained away. Oh, and they never have to go into any great detail of Rey's mother...we didn't find out who Luke's mother was until the prequels came out, and knowing Obi Wan knew his father closely, that he would have known the identity of his mother. With all that being said, will I be disappointed if she isn't Luke's daughter?..maybe a little, but I am sure I am going to love whatever they come up with!
Great video Thor. I see no one has touched on Rey just being dumped on Jakku because she WAS force sensitive. I believe those kids (and possibly the parents) were being hunted and killed at the time. Food for thought.
An untrained amateur fighting other untrained amateur should not be able to take on anyone with training especially when it comes to armed combat. I used to do Tae kwan do in college and I’ll tell you right now there are many nuances you’ll never guess on your own by swinging a stick around
Being a Skywalker would not take away from who Rey is or her abilities to survive what she has went through. And being a Skywalker would not mean her skills were automatically a given. Luke struggled to control The Force and his skills were not a given, he had to be trained and was still erratic using it. So her being a Skywalker would not ensure her being able to survive on Jakku, that survival is a skill she learned on her own no thanks to The Force. The Force was dormant inside of her just like it was in Luke because she did not realize she had it and neither did he. Once they realized it, then they were able to grasp it and begin to use it. It may be stronger in her because she has not had to deal with the dark evils of the dark side so at this point she is pure and why she is stronger at this initial stage than Luke was, her dad was not Vader so the pull to the dark side is not there as strong. Where Luke had Daddy issues and Yoda issues for dark and light, she has only light at the moment and her experience with the dark side is just purely evil from the destruction of plants to the "death" of Han, there is no draw to the dark side at this point. When Ren had her in the room questioning her he was telling her " Your so lonely, so afraid to leave. At night desperate to sleep, you imagine an ocean, I see it I see the island" She had never seen an island or an ocean but at the end of the movie we see Rey find Luke on an island in an ocean.... And he has been tormented from his failures, lonely, afraid to leave, desperate to sleep. So was Rey channeling Luke and Ren seeing Luke's pain and location without realizing it? Rey being a Skywalker may be too easy generally speaking but the story of her journey and what lead up to her being on Jakku would be one to tell. All that being said, I do not think she is a Skywalker though, I think Leia would sense that. But she could have been a student that survived and was hidden... So many options, I love it...
People who say that Rey is "no one" and doesn't have an important backstory are dead wrong. Watch that movie again. Han *clearly* knew who she was. Kylo also clearly knows, and in the "Novelization" he even says "It IS you!" when she gets the lightsaber in the final fight. Luke also may well have recognized her. They even throw in hints like Maz saying "who is the girl", and do a joke where she says it's a "big secret" who her family is. I guarantee she is someone, it's just a question of who
I don't think it would be a complex thing if it was revealed that Rey is for example Palpatine's granddaughter. Everyone knows who Palpatine/Sidious was, and in the movie it's usually explained for another time in the context that Rey questions this and has only heard "stories" about this person. In TFA there is heavy references to Darth Vader constantly, what's the logic behind talking about Darth Vader if the audience wouldn't get it? because people get it, the Star Wars characters are very famous and your avarage watcher knows them.. Also if the movies connect, it would mean more new watchers would come back to the old movies, some maybe rewatch them.
I disagree that her being from a known family line will lessen her strength or the perception of her strength in fans eyes. Placing her in a Jedi family line will strengthen the story of Ray from which means more films and more money. If she is from no family then her history ends and so does possible revenue from those films. The very fact that her origin is asked about within the film itself should be a sign to us viewers that her origin is important and will unlikely be ordinary.
Disney and Lucasfilm has made it very clear. These Trilogies are about the Skywalker Saga. I believe Rey is Luke's daughter because of her connection to the force and Anakin's lightsaber in particular. The fact that she was hidden on Jakku, a planet similar to Tatooine, a desert world where both Anakin and Luke grew up, learning to survive in a harsh environment. And it is no coincidence that the Millennium Falcon just happened to be sitting there for Rey to use to escape Jakku. Maybe she was left there because Luke had a vision of Rey's eventual escape from Jakku and her meeting up with Han and Chewie. If she isn't a Skywalker/Solo, this film will lose all credibility because of all the councindence.
what if she is mace windo' s daughter? I don't know but I love how luck as film is keeping her orgin on the hush hush I hope it's something we haven't seen before in the star wars flims. I hope it is very diffrent from the original series of movies.
and as in "WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEAS" What you don't get is that making her NOT be a Skywalker makes her less interesting in that it makes her one dimensional. Let me explain. The most compelling aspect of Star Wars for me, and what DIFFERENTIATED it from every other Sci Fi yarn was it's attention to interpersonal relationships and FAMILY.Also, it makes characters like Luke Skywalker more vulnerable and has sonething to LOSE in having a daughter. Not to mention character tension between Rey and luke. Think about it. If luke left Rey behind for whatever reason, it would make a really compelling drama between these two characters. Now, I'm not in the Skywalker or bust camp, but what irritates me the most is that so much intentional mystery, intrigue and emphasis was placed on Rey's parentage in The Force Awakens, that one would logically assume that her back story is an important thread linking the old and the new. one that we can care about. To set up all of this mystery to make her related to Joe nerfherder is disingenuous, lame, and the biggest carrot and the stick in the history if film. So, do I think she will be a Skywalker? no. but not for the reasons you mentioned. Well, maybe one. cash. Disney wants to make money and leave options open to create more merchandise and spinoffs, cartoons, books etc. got that reason I understand. for the reasons that count, I dont.
Very good and sound reasoning. However, a few things to point out I must. > Star Wars is a trilogy and a saga. As such, to change the pattern for the last three would destroy that. It is the story of the Skywalkers, and each part of the trilogy centers on a generation of the Skywalkers. Therefore, Rey is a Skywalker and the main protagonist of the last three episodes. I don't think even Di$ney would dare break the fundamental storyline...although on second thought... And if they do change the foundation of the trilogy, it isn't a true trilogy any longer. > Think about it... three protagonists, each being the alleged chosen one (well Rey will be), each living their youth on a desert planet and each strong with the force. The force is strong in Rey not because she is a nobody but because she is a Skywalker. > If Rey's parents were nobodies, why not reveal that in TFA? And if Daisey Ridley says the identity of her parents should be easy to figure out, that means they are known characters. How can anyone figure out the identity of unidentified nobodies. > In the first two parts of the trilogy, a parent of the protagonist is a strong part of the storyline. Maybe Luke is going to end the Jedi. Rey rights the wrong of the parent and defeats evil by convincing Luke to do otherwise; just as Luke convinced Darth Vader he had good in him and Vader/Anakin then disposed of the emperor and came back to the light. In the first three, Anakin's mother and her torture and death was his first encounter with hatred and revenge, and his first and maybe biggest step toward the darkside. There is a strong parent-child connection in the first two parts of the trilogy, why not the third? > If Luke is Rey's father, he wasn't necessarily the one who left her. She may have been born on the planet and left in the care of the mother or other caretakers. Luke knows that he, now the last Jedi is hunted and must separate himself from his daughter at all costs. Who left the and why can have a number of answers. Anyway, just my opinion. Wherever they take the story, they already have. It's isn't a question of what I prefer to see, but what I believe the Star Wars Trilogy Saga is all about. Three generations of Skywalkers who will ultimately defeat the purveyors of the dark side and bring peace to the galaxy. Thanks!
I have done a lot of research also, but you have to take into consideration how Rey uses the force like Obi Wan. They also used a lot of mirrors and parallels between The Force Awakens and the movie Obi Wan is in. I still do believe she might be her own but it would make more sense by bringing back someone from an earlier movie to connect it. Obi Wan and Rey are also very similar with clothing and their British accents. Also in real life Finn has a British accent but they made him have an American one for the movie which for some reason they were connecting the British accents. An example of a mirror is the fight scene between Kylo and Rey completely mirrors Obi Wan's fight scene with Darth Vader just i different settings. So if she is a Kenobi her duel with Kylo would have much more significance because they are basically reliving the duel their grandfathers once fought. My last piece is another mirror of how Obi Wan and Rey both were lonely in their desert homes. However I do see how her parents were not in Star Wars at all.
the one thing I have trouble with is the "with nothing but free time on her hands" part. Someone surviving out there in a desert community would not have any free time, because they'd always be busy finding what they need next to survive.
If the story turns out like you said it will be totally awesome, but I would also like her to be a nobody but at the same time that she already knew kylo Ren from Luke's academy which could explain why he knows her... In the end she would have learned something about the force but Luke sent her back to jaku and made her forget everything for some reason... And maybe to jaku because it was the place he was born
I like the video and understand where you are coming from. But here is how i see the first meeting going down. I don't necessarily like it. "Ok how we going to handle the new generations of Skywalkers." "Lets make Luke's child a girl." "Oh, and lets have a child of Han and Leia as well." "How about if we have one on the light side and the other on the dark. Maybe a conflicted dark side user."
In my opinion I'm leaning more towards Skywalker or Solo. Plus Daisy Ridley said it was obvious who her parents were in The Force Awakens & that it was hiding in plain sight. Honestly in my opinion I wish they used the Expanded Universe material with the Solo Twins Jaina & Jacen Solo along with Anakin Solo & Ben Skywalker.
Her actual quote was more along the lines that she thought much was revealed in The Force Awakens, not that it was obvious who her parents were. That quote has been twisted by many (myself included) to make it sound like she said her parents were in the movie or revealed in it. Still, I'm all for them going more along the EU route if they can do it in a way that's easy to understand for everyone.
Thor Skywalker I think if they went the EU route they could've adapted a story like maybe they used the Yuuzhan Vong War or Second Galactic Civil War storyline, or if they did an original story to keep the Expanded Universe still canon they could've made the cancelled Sword Of The Jedi Trilogy, that could've been a way to show that the Expanded Universe was in continuity with the movies. If they did something involving the EU, it would've a win win for both sides of the fandom.
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well, it turns out you were right.
you're not wrong, and I hope they do.. honestly it wouldn't surprise me at this stage they've already spat in our faces every chance they could get.
it would just be so against what they're trying to accomplish I think.
SPOILER ALERT!
oh how right you were
I do think she will be a Skywalker just because of what you stated.The average movie goer isn't the hardcore fan who are drooling for every nugget.They will keep it simple.Unless they are going for the same shock that ep5 had.Lucas did the same thing.All of the movies have been kid and family friendly with enough substance for the hardcore to chew on.They need to sell toys bottom line.
You're right: The bottom line is they want to make money... and they will do whatever they think will make them the most. Don't get me wrong, I think Disney has done a fine job with Star Wars so far. But I don't try to kid myself, they purchased Lucasfilm to make a lot of money and for no other reason.
Rey is a descendant ofBastilla and Revan!
BROTHER SAID
I would love that !!!! But sadly I don't think they will go that route but damn wouldn't that be an incredible story👍🏻 that's a bad ass fanfic story idea for sure!!!
Yeah, they won't go that route, but when you think about it, they'd benefit hugely if they did. If you're in the Star Wars story telling business, and you REALLY want a story line featuring a new heroine Rey as a super powerful force welder BUT you want to transition from the Skywalker storyline to a new one - what better way to do it?! Revan and Bastilla are two of the MOST popular characters in the whole Star Wars universe.You don't lose fans, you reinforce the existing fan base and come off looking quite cool and savvy. Besides, the Revan/Bastilla storyline is now canon, SO you wouldn't have to strain at the exposition: Bastilla and Revan disappeared for years at some point. You could easily say they had children who they hid for their safety (Ala Luke and Leia being hidden for their safety). That the Revan/Bastilla line leads to Rey, but her parents and grand-parents and great-great- grand parents actually forgot their ancestry. That shit would be the BOMB!
The Revan/Bastilla as Rey's ancestors storyline would be fantastic and reinforce the fan base's trust in Disney's stewardship of the Star Wars brand. Besides, the story almost writes itself! Imagine how easily it could be explained in a pivotal moment of truth scene (Snoke perhaps is battling Rey: "Have you ever wondered why your parents deserted you on Jaku? They were summoned by Skywalker - but I intercepted and destroyed them first!". "You killed them!" Rey screams. "I had to kill them lest they discover the truth. I had no idea however, they left a child behind. " Snoke replies."Why would Luke summon my parents?!" Rey demands."To reveal to them a truth he had discovered." Snoke snarls ." Your parents were the descendants of two of the most powerful force welders in the history of the galaxy!"....blah, blah, blah you get the point) ,
BROTHER SAID revan isnt canon anymore
I think that’d be really interesting, but all of the past stuff about KOTOR or just the expanded universe itself isn’t considered canon anymore. :(
fine if they want to make her "nobody" but why the hell would they emphasize luke/Anakin's lightsaber "calling" to her they could have done a hundred different things to make her realize she's force sensitive but instead they hammer it home with a lightsaber that was built and weilded by a skywalker and disney was subtle as a hand grenade with what maz says , she easily could have just said this was belonged to luke skywalker, but instead goes on to mention his father everything is done for a reason they know how deeply scrutinized every last detail of this movie would be, just my 2 cents can't wait for December or better yet 2 more weeks until celebration
Maybe we viewed that the wrong way. Maybe the saber went to Rey over Kylo Ren (who we know is a Skywalker) simply to avoid falling in his hands. So it wasn't picking one Skywalker over another, but rather simply staying out of the hands of one who is unworthy of it.
Wow, you really called this one.
I love Rey no matter who she is related or not related to
claire S she's related to anakin and the force and in a way to the skywalkers because they are anakins kids and grandchildren. she's the second coming of the chosen one in a new body
It's a Disney movie, and if there is any die-hard theme Disney stands by it is that parents must be killed off or left behind. It would make no sense to somehow tie her back in to parents. Maz isn't telling Rey that her parents are gone, Maz was telling us not to expect and look for them.
HOLY CRAP YOU WERE RIGHT
6:25 The very reason everyone calls her a Mary Sue. That means Anakin was a Gary Sue...in that logic. What's the ONLY difference? Anakin is veiwed as the "chosen one" in prophecies.
There were no prophecies about Rey...or were there?
I agree i think the simplest, will be the best. In an interview, Daisy Ridley said in her mind, (supposedly not told the parentage, at time of the interview), that Rey's father was Luke. Till it's said, that is what i'll go with. She Played the part, so i think she'd probably know better than anyone. other than the screen writers, of course
crazyjr
Want to post a link to that interview I'd like to see it in writing. I know she said in an interview that, "she thought it was clear who her parents were. I've never seen any interview or article if her stating Rey was Luke's daughter. I mean if you want to get that technical I can find you a link to the interview with one of the actresses who tried out for the part of Rey which Back them was a casting call for "Kiera Kenobi" who they renamed Rey granddaughter or grand niece of Obiwan Kenobi. So funny how often a characters heritageband trajectory can change under a writers sword of a pen stroke or hammer on a keyboard.
Disney watching after Rise of Skywalker be like: Well yes, but actually no
I understand your theory, but you could make the same argument about Luke. Was he great because he developed many skills on his own or was it "because he was a Skywalker"? Did that make him disappointing or minimize what he accomplished on his own? I just can't see her being no one and being called on in such a very specific way. But who knows....
tylergirl1970 Luke's story is very different from Rey's because he was on a heros journey, Rey is on a heroines journey. The two tropes are extremely different and that's an understatement.
Janet Rubio No, that's like saying a male pirate and a female pirate are two different pirates even though they do the exact same thing. And by saying Luke and Rey's story are different because of gender, you're implying that Rey can't handle a man's journey.
I like your #3 theory (other than #1 Luke's daughter and #2 Han Solo's daughter) of her just being a growing up orphaned girl, never knowing her parents (or parents in the dark side of the Force like Luke and Vader parallel)! She then became self-motivated to become who she is vs who her lineage is!
I think the title of Episode 7 spoils the parenthood a little bit. The awakening in the force came from rey. If rey was a Skywalker or a Skywalker-Solo there wouldn't be a awakening because the force were already in her family. So if she was a no-one and there were no force users in her family before, there would be a awakening. Thats why I think she is really a no-one.
That makes a great deal of sense.
Or perhaps it is that of Harry Potter. Son of a famous wizard couple who had his powers awaken at a certain age. Do not assume that the Force is inherently awakened. Otherwise, Vader would have found Luke a long time ago.
Another great video. Even though a backstory like Palpatine or Qui-Gon would be interesting, it does tend to present lot of problems and would create many more questions that a reveal would normally create. I believe a good "origin" store would obviously answer who her parent(s) are, but leave the "okay, so what happened that she was left on Jakku?". One example could be to have her be a new character, yet have her origins loosely explained to her by Luke. He could've known her parent(s) and that they have a child, but didn't know that their child, Rey, survived when something horrible happened.
It'd be interesting if we never get it explained as to how and why she got left on Jakku. Perhaps, as you say, Luke did know her parents and doesn't know why they left her on Jakku. Who knows? But I think it's going to be very hard to explain why anyone took her to Jakku and left her there. Much easier to explain that she was born there and someone left her behind.
Like you said, there will be people disappointment no matter what. But, a great storyline would definitely help out both sides regardless of who she truly is.
I don't understand why people say making her Luke's daughter would be "lazy storytelling". Yes it has been done before, but it is exactly because it has been done before that making her Luke's daughter is, out of everything they could do, the most difficult thing to pull of and to make work. It would actually be the ballsiest move they could do, anything else than that would be an easier story to tell.
It would be so difficult to pull of that I can't imagine them doing it, despite all the hints pointing out to it.
I don't know who she will end up being, and I love that I don't know. It is sad that you are 100% right in this video, The Force Awakens was never going to satisfy every Star Wars fan, and The Last Jedi probably has even less of a chance of doing it because so many are unable to keep an open mind about what's next. I can already picture myself reading hundreds of comments on the internet next December claiming that the story we got sucks and that what they had in mind for it would have been better.
I personally love the fact that I'm not 100% sure who she'll be. I'm willing to give Disney the benefit of the doubt no matter what direction they take the story in. I don't think it'll be lazy if Rey is a Skywalker... the problem with it now is that by making it a 'mystery' (instead of just knowing who she is all along) the reveal now needs to be something special or why make it a reveal at all?
Disney is in a no win situation. No matter who or what she is the internet is going to be littered with hate from angry people that the story didn't go as they want it. The greatest thing about the internet is that it gives everyone in the world a voice... and the worst thing about the internet is that it gives everyone in the world a voice.
Thor Skywalker
ITA with you Thor. If she was a Skywalker why not just be upfront about it in the first place. I don't want her to be Luke's because I want her to be unique, the story has plenty of Skywalkers time for some new blood!
Dude, Rey is Lukes daughter. There are SO many Luke easter eggs in her house, her reoccuring dream is literally about the island Luke is on, when Kylo and Rey had a force pull duel for the Skywalker jedi saber Rey won. Anyone who can't see Rey is Luke's daughter is in for a painful awakening. Why would Rey go find Luke?? Why not his sister, Leia? Because Leia knows Rey is Luke's daughter. Not Finn, or whatever other wild BS people are so desperately pushing.
You thought wrong
lol you were wrong dummy
You seem to be desperate to convince us who she isn't rather than who she is and have disregarded other "clues" within The Force Awakens that points to her being a Skywalker or descendant thereof.
Some possible clues that come to mind:
Kylo's obvious interest in Rey and the power she has.
The conversation between Han and Maz about who Rey is, that is cut short.
Why Leia makes such a fuss to comfort Rey with the embrace at the end of the movie and the fact that Rey heads off with Chewbacca in the Falcon to find Luke.
Why Chewbacca and not a member of the Resistance?
Why the Falcon and not a Resistance ship?
Are they subtle hints at her connection with her family or are they merely a coincidence?
The whole Force dream sequence that involves a fight between Luke and Vader on Bespin, Yoda's comment, Obi Wan's comment, Unkar Plutt dragging her away as a ship flies off etc, etc.
You can't simply present these sequences and not address them sometime in the future, they have to mean something.
It would be nonsense to use them as clues or hints and then just turn around and go "Nah, Rey has no connection whatsoever to any of those things in the Force dream, all red herrings."
Rey may not be a Skywalker, but there is more evidence in favour of her being related in someway rather than not.
As someone pointed out in another video, every single part of that force vision was essentially from the lightsaber's point of view. It was actually there or most likely there for every one of those events. So the vision doesn't really demonstrate anything about who she is, other than the lightsaber choosing her as its bearer.
One big plot hole that plays strongly against her being a Solo or Skywalker:
Kylo Ren doesn't know who she is. If a relative was born, wouldn't he hear about it? "Congrats, Ben, you have a new baby sister!" or "Have you met your new cousin yet?" She's old enough that she would have been born before he fell to the dark side.
But he's clueless about who she is. All he knows is that she's very powerful, and she has "his" lightsaber.
They're not related.
He does know who she is. He says "it is you" when he sees her.
Another clue:
*When Kylo is force-interrogating Rey, he sees what Rey dreams of when she's "desperate to sleep at night" -an ocean, and an island.*
So yeah, Rey pretty much dreamed of Luke's location without even knowing it, and freaking Kylo Ren saw where to find Luke, and he didn't even notice he already had the information he was trying to take out of Rey xD
That's a pretty big confirmation right there.
I don't get why making her a Skywalker makes her less strong as a woman. The contrary, it's saying that despite Leia wasn't the person who had the big adventures, there can also be female Skywalkers that fight, and jump and move things with their mind.
You shouldn't have read those books. Too many cooks spoil the broth. It's reasonable that Lucas shared his complete vision with Kasdan, because they know each other, as coworkers and friends. But I seriously doubt the novel and comic writers are inside enough to have been given the same vision. It's just a kitchen full of cooks, each whipping up their own recipe.
As for complications, Rey finding out who her parents are is a hell of a lot less complicated than her being no one. And being Luke's daughter is a hell of a lot less complicated than her being a Solo or Kenobi. The thing about deep intricate plots, the simplistic viewer only sees the journey from point a to point b. Now, we can get from point a to point b with a complex plot or a pointless plot. The simplistic viewers aren't going to be following the story anyway, just the bright shinies. It doesn't matter to them if the path from point a to point b is masterful or nonsensical, but it matters to us who need more from it than Bugs & Daffy. There's no law that says good feasible stories have to give up the bright shinies.
They could do a better job. The movies alone have a long list of continuity errors.
WanagiAkicita TOO MANY COOKS!!!
This is why Snoke isnt some vague character from prequels or deep lore cause most moviegoers wont know or care.
If Rey's parents are irrelevant to the story, it's still a better revelation than her being Luke's daughter.
But for me it's best if she's a Kenobi descent or Palpatine descent, and this wouldn't make the movie too complex since Disney can make an explanation in movie about Obi Wan being a legendary Jedi master who helped Anakin and Luke, or being a very powerful force user like Emperor Palpatine that almost brought wreck to the galaxy.
Why it's not too complex? In Episode VII there's even Darth Vader's mask and my friends who watched Episode VII as first Star Wars were okay with it.
I still think one of Disney's main goals is to show that Rey is a self created character, if you will. That her story is before her, not behind. That what she'll become is important, not where (or who) she came from.
I don't think she's a Skywalker but I do think that if her parents' identity was truly irrelevant then Rey's force vision in Awakens wouldn't have included them. I suspect that at least one of them will be a character who is so well known that even if this is you're first Star Wars film you'll have some idea who it is and that there will be some exposition in the plot.
I'm hoping that she's Obi Wan's granddaughter and for one of her parents (face to face or via a recording or even written letter) to reveal this. Maybe they have sent Luke a message explaining why they left her on Jakku and asking him to find her when the time is right and "as my father started you on your path in the force, guide her on the journey".
I'm all for Rey Nobody. It makes her that much more powerful and interesting
galaxyedits i agree with you
I'm all ready for Rey Phasma.
Captain Phasma acted mighty strange for a dedicated member of the First Order. We already know she practically raised Finn and the others of his unit, and while she was an FO hardliner back then, she still acted like Finn's mother. Now clearly they're not related, but this attitude is also shown towards Rey.
Remember, Phasma is a soldier, probably the single most talented First Order stormtrooper. She *taught* Finn, so she would know how to take on both Finn and Rey when she's instead captured. Why then did she *let* herself be captured? What's her motivation? I can't see any personal gain in it; the only thing that makes sense is sentiment.
It's her treatment of Rey that really surprised me however. I can understand her letting Finn leave, if she subconsciously considers him a son, but Rey is an unknown. Why did she treat Rey the same? My thoughts are that she knows who Rey is, and who Rey is to *her*.
That'd make her character make even less sense.
Her being a nobody makes this much more interesting, because it makes the Galaxy that much bigger. She already said she though Luke Skywalker was a myth. She would've been old enough to know him when she was dumped on Jakku.
I'm not sure what kind of "misuse of the Force" is being implied by Chris manaloe here. I think what we will all see as the final trilogy continues is that the Force is more than Jedi and Sith. Maz even makes the case of seeing evil in many forms over her 1000 year life: The Sith (no doubt referencing the Jedi/Sith War, when there was a company of Sith Lords before Bane instituted the "Rule of Two"), The Empire (with no reference to the Sith behind its formation) and the First Order, which, while being led by a darksider is not Sith at all. I think this makes the story much bigger.
You were right.
Honestly, if Rey comes from a lineage that is in no way related to past characters, her character will become stronger and more complex, as she won't be shaped by her past, but by her future
And I think that's what she needs to be. Let her be shaped by the story to come, not to the one that was already told.
exactly! on all Honesty, I feel like her future will be more compelling than her past
Paul Leow
Love your comment!
thank you!
Paul Leow your welcome 😊👍🏻
With the trailer out now, I was side tracked on who Rey was only, where she and Luke would be going. I'm thinking that's exactly what they plan to do, that you're right and they aren't going to relate her to her past but her future. Great video!!!
I agree. I think Rey's story is ahead of her, not behind.
Thor Skywalker it's incredible because Maz kanata said it from the beginning!!
Exactly. So many people just kinda ignored that for some reason.
ultimate answer..luke at an young age..had a had time to lift the lightsaber out of the snow on hoth..rey mind triks and get the lightsaber out of the snow in the end.. too much force power
I agree. Rey being a Skywalker doesn't answer how powerful she is. Something else pretty much has to.
I couldn't agree more with this video. Hearing these theories about Rey being the embodiment of the Force, or Rey being a clone of Palpatine/Vader/Luke, or the daughter/granddaughter of Obi-Wan Kenobi, I can't help but think how convoluted they are. Each one of these theories would require a MASSIVE amount of exposition, which would cause the narrative to be so clunky and messy.
Simplicity is key and would be required to tell the leanest, most-punchy story possible.
Simplicity is the key. The more complex her origin, the more screen time is devoted to it and the more likely you are to lose people. What people often forget is there can be beauty in simplicity, and if the story itself is interesting and done right she doesn't need to be the clone of Anakin's reincarnation... who had a child with Obi-Wan....
Wow, you nailed this one!!
somebody on TH-cam got it right! i actually never saw the "nobody" parents theory before so i ddint even expect that when she said that she was sold for booz
They have stated quite clearly, this is a continuation of the Skywalker story. Now, regardless of Ben and Luke. Rey is the main protagonist, this has been stated clearly. So, if the main character of this film isn't a Skywalker family member, then it's not a continuation. Really, it's that simple. You can analyse little things all day. But simple is the best, and she's Anakin's grand daughter, that's nice and simple.
She can be a huge part of the Skywalker story without having to be a Skywalker. The prequels were as much Obi-Wan's story as they were Anakin's and he wasn't a Skywalker. The same way this sequel trilogy could be as much Kylo/Ben's story (not to mention Luke) without Rey being a Skywalker. I just think her being a Skywalker would also be overkill. Sure, it is the Skywalker saga but not everyone has to be from that family to matter in the galaxy.
George Lucas was clearly intending Anakin to be the main protagonist of the Prequel Trilogy. The reason why he put more emphasis on the love story between Anakin and Padme in Attack of the Clones was because he realize that it was becoming more of an Obi-Wan story rather than Anakin. He must learned his lesson after The Phantom Menace, namely that the movie had no central protagonist.
Whether you like it or not, this is a Skywalker story and Rey is going to be our main protagonist for the entire Sequel Trilogy. They are not going to shift it to Kylo Ren like they did with Anakin.
Besides, I don't think it's an overkill. Skywalkers always have a strange phenomenon of attracting coincidences to an absurd degree. That's the charm of Star Wars, is it not?
One thing I'm still not sure why it's not even considered is the fact that she could be Del Toro's daughter. I get we know nothing about his character, but it's still a strong possibility.
I wouldn't say that's impossible. You don't get Benicio Del Toro for your movie and not have him in a major, important role.
You were right!
what do u think of finn becoming a jedi theory! urban acolyte is getting on my nervz blabering about it
I personally think Finn's story will be more about taking on the First Order, that his main advisory in these movies will be Phasma (who will get a bigger role) and that he won't see Rey again till Episode IX. I don't think he'll have anything to do with being a Jedi, that him with the lightsaber was just a huge distraction they used leading up to Episode VII to hide the fact that Rey was going to be our new Jedi.
I'm a hardcore fan, I have star wars tattooed on me. your theories are amazing and I can completely agree with you on everything you say but I agree that Disney will not ruin these movies by not making Rey a Skywalker or a Kenobi, if she's just a nobody and a new lead I'm all for it and think it makes the story amazing
Great video. Solid theory and well thought out. I'm a hard-core fan, but I love the simplicity of star wars for the newbies as much as I love the most minute detail like we all do! Thanks for posting!
Rey IS the chosen one. She was force-born. The prophecy will finally be fulfilled. If that's disappointing to anyone then screw them. Balance is coming to the force, like it or not.
I like what you've said and I never thought of how Rey being related to Luke or Obi Wan taking away what's been established of her from her learning to be strong or self sufficient on her own. And i think I'll love Rey more as a character if it turns out her parents aren't relevant to the story or not related to anyone we know
Everything ive seen has pointed to her being a Skywalker. I want her to be a skywalker i don't understand the people saying it would make her character weak.
Thank you for saying what I couldn't ut into words. I feel the same as you on this. Star Wars fans forget about that first time they sat in awe watching their first Star Wars movie or series, and how great it was.
I still think shes a Skywalker. Her being a main character and just being a nobody doesn't make sense when most of the movies have been about the Skywalker family feud.
Seems to be some kind of dark revenge to have the children of Luke and Leia battle it out.
Michael Jackson
makes sense for her to be Rey Random. More sense than it does for her to be a Skywalker and wayyyyyyyyyyyy wayyyyyyyyyyyy easier to explain.
Nah actually the opposite. The whole movie saga has revolved around a family. Makes more sense for Finn to be a nobody.
You think they will just ignore the whole family Skywalker feud?
Ren is obviously the replacement for Vader so someone has to replace Luke. Its only logical and predictable for Rey to be related to Luke and Ren.
Why would the movie and all the marketing make a huge deal out of who Rey's parents are if the answer is "no one"? If I had to put money on it, Rey is Luke's daughter (that he didn't know he had).
I'm not sure the marketing made a big deal of her origin, other than that one line in the trailer "I'm no one" which for all we know was the first hint they tried to give that she will indeed be no one... Most of the huge deal about her origin was created by the fans leading up to the movie and certainly since it's come out.
Let's really blow their minds and make her a Tarkin.
Jay Taylor Tarkin standin' by
no granddaughter of Darth plagues
She is the clone of Luke. It was taken out of the hand that Luke lost in the ESB. She is strong with the force, she is a good pilot, and in her flashbacks she had this vision of cloud city hall where Luke lost his hand. Ta ra..., mistery solved. That is why there was going to be a scene of Luke's hand floating in space.
wow +1 for prediction
I just don't see why _"making herself strong and capable"_ would suddenly imbue her with a strength in The Force that even _Luke_ couldn't muster until after he had trained for several weeks with Yoda. Also, it doesn't go anywhere to explain the presence of Lor San Tekka and the map to finding Luke Skywalker, being conveniently on the _same planet._
Nice foresight!
Wait I disagree that giving Rey "lineage" cheapens her accomplishments. Genetics lays a HUGE part in what we're capable of accomplishing, will and determination take genetics to its potential but they can't be denied either.
well, that weird lady.. ya know the one when rey finds lukes saber... says that rey knows the truth, the ones she's waiting for wont ever come... so, her parent's are dead.
Thank you for brining that up. Maz Kanta is the new "Yoda" of this trilogy, the old and wise one, so I'm pretty sure she knows what she's talking about in that scene: That Rey's parent's truly are not coming back.
Justin M Good theory. Makes sense to me, at least.
Didn't Master Yoda failed to see that Darth Sidious was really Palpatine all this time? Omniscient, they are not.
I agree. The more complex the theory, the less likely Disney would use it. The easiest would be if Rey was, well, Rey. Second easiest would be if she was a Skywalker or Solo. Then it gets considerably more complex. I don't think Disney wants to spend that much time in the movie explaining things. How much is too much time? Your guess is as good as mine. Personally, I don't think they'll spend more than 15 minutes worth of explanation. Then, any other part of the explanations needed will be worked into the film as part of the overall plot, with small "reveals" along the way. I would be totally cool with some of the more exotic theories, but, as I said, I think they're less likely for sure.
Time is so very precious in a Star Wars movie. You bring up a great point: the more complicated you make it the more time you have to spend explaining... the less time you have for everything else they need to get into this movie.
Rey's not a Skywalker or a Solo. The Force Awakens and the canonized materials have already debunked any possibility of that. However, I do think there's something about Rey's lineage. She could be from an Imperial Dark Side family. But anyway, she could also be a random, which is not so bad. Great video.
PadmeXoXo really? Cuz i havent seen anything canon that debunks shit...
PadmeXoXo true and J.J Said Her parents aren’t in the force awakens...
I think that your point about how "Star Wars isn't for the hardcore fans" is, by far, your most valid one, and by itself, could both carry this video, and explain many other aspects of the SW universe and its development.
I also feel that your arguments in favor of Rey's parents being unknowns, are perfectly reasonable. I can never pronounce ANY argument to be infallible, since logic can be overwritten by the whims of Disney and JJ Abrams, but your reasonings are perfectly sound, particularly regarding the revelations in Rey's pre-TFW appearances, and how preoccupation with her ancestry could overshadow her accomplishments.
Having said that, I'd assert two things. First, that while you worry about Rey's ancestry invalidating her strengths somehow, many fans may be of the opinion that a certain kind of origin story is needed to *explain* them somehow. After all, what Rey's accomplished is still pretty remarkable, maybe even stretching credulity. And with the only parallel sort of character development being someone like Anakin or one of the other Jedi characters, viewers may be naturally primed to look in that direction. "Blood never lies" may not be a very modern or democratic concept, but it's driven much of Star Wars storytelling for two generations.
Also, we mustn't forget that Rey's ancestry could potentially open up critical *story possibilities* that might otherwise not materialize. For example, your own theory that Rey's origin on Jakku is the key, leads us towards exploring the planet's history and importance, and possibly, a final showdown there. The Kenobi and Skywalker theories could open up issues of Rey coping with a legacy that's bigger than she is. Ditto my favorite, the Palpatine theory, which not only does that, but brings up the issue of a "spawn of evil" who may or may not want the job, may be treated unfairly, and so on. So there are some reasons to tie Rey into the story through ancestry.
Excellent points. However I almost think you need a better explanation for some of the things Rey did (mainly the reversal of the mind probe on Kylo Ren and the ability to 'channel the Force' at the end of her duel with Kylo) than just being a Skywalker. Yes, Anakin as a boy was already an incredible pilot that could compete in pod racing (the only human that could do it) and he 'lucked' into blowing up the droid control ship at the end of Episode I... and Luke was able to blow up the death star with a 'lucky' shot with like only ten minutes of training from Obi-Wan... but what Rey does goes above and beyond any of that. Not even trained do we ever see Luke or Anakin channel the Force or become possessed by it, whatever truly happened there, yet Rey was able to do that with no apparent training of any kind.
You're also right that Rey's ancestry could open up some really new and cool story possibilities... and I could be dead wrong, and maybe Disney/Lucasfilm gives their audience the benefit of the doubt and we'll get a little more 'story heavy' with these next two movies. I certainly hope they do but I don't think they'll go too far with it.
Kylo speaks: "Rey, I am your Brother"
Great video man. Much appreciated. With all the theories floating around out there. I am now leaning towards two ideas. One that she is a reincarnated chosen one (explaining why the light saber out to her and called to her and why everything is easy for her and why she could fight back against Kylo and why kylo fears her) OR whatever Palpatine was uncovering on Jakku in the Aftermath Novels from ancient times (force shrine, nexus, whatever) has somehow planted or done something to Rey in terms of the force.
I think your two theories (or even a combination of them) could be on the right track and neither one is too difficult to explain. She could be somehow another 'chosen one' type that was born on Jakku because of the light side nexus at the center of the planet. Again, that wouldn't be the hardest thing for the audience to understand.
I am not a fan of the Rey Skywalker for many reasons, one of them is the fact that if she is a Skywalker, two of the main characters (Rey and Kylo) would be Skywalkers, and it gives the impression that only the Skywalkers matter, as if the protagonist has to be a Skywalker and if a character is not from that family, she/he's not worth being an important character (that's just my opinion, also sorry if it didn't make sense). In both the original trilogy and the prequels, the main characters are Skywalkers (which is normal) and I know that it's supposed to be the Skywalker saga but I would like to see something new as for the protagonist while still following the Skywalkers as important characters as well. If she's a Skywalker, i'll be dissapointed but they know what they're doing.
That actually makes a lot of sense. If Rey is a Skywalker they are pretty much saying that they are the only ones that matter or can have an impact in the galaxy. I'm ready for something new in the galaxy.
Finn and Poe exist though?
Yeah but I said the protagonist.
The original trilogy - protagonist: Luke SKYWALKER, antagonist: Anakin SKYWALKER aka Darth Vader.
cuz the original trilogy wasn't about 2 Skywalkers...smh...are you for real? I know, we can make another Friday the 13th movie and instead of Jason in a Hockey mask it can be Gordie Howe killing campers. a sequel to Nightmare on Elm Street with one of the witches from the Craft who invades your dreams...it might be the first Nightmare on Elm Street some of these people have seen and they won't know the difference. let's do another Chuckey movie but have a devious looking care bear in the starring role instead. you people irritate the hell out of me.
when I was younger I read a book that l. and han solo had twins. I wonder if that was going to happen.... when rey told han her name didn't you see a weird face expression, by leia didn't so I am not sure what to make of that situation.
There has to be a new generation Skywalker. Skywalker-Solo doesn't quite fill that order. If Rey is not a Skywalker, they will have to introduce Ben Skywalker. Or, since they're switching that around, Jacen or Jaina Skywalker, or both.
WanagiAkicita Leia is just as much a Skywalker as Luke is. Which means Ben is as well.
the book the empires end makes quite clear Ben is a skwalker and Liea kept her name organa and when Ben was born the solo name was taken ... Luke was there... Pablo and the books both confrim Ben is the skywalker Grandeur you are correct ... and JJ has said this saga is driven by Ben;s backstory and not Reys.
Winter Star Yes, exactly! Ben wants to be like his grandfather...Who was Anakin SKYWALKER. I believe this trilogy will focus on his redemption and taking his rightful place in the Skywalker legacy. I think in the end he will indeed wield Anakin's and Luke's lightsaber.
we agree lol
WanagiAkicita I don't know. I think Rey IS suppose to be Jaina. Jaina did have a purple light saber, and Rey used both the light and the dark side of the Force throughout The Force Awakens.
Leah had an affair with an unknown Kenobi. Rey is both a Skywalker and a Kenobi, a blending of the two most powerful force sensitive bloodlines. that why Luke's saber called to her, why obi wan talked to her, why Leah recognized her. she is Kylo Rens half sister, they went uncle Luke's academy together. when Kylo turned, Luke and Leah together dropped her off on jakku. that's why she says her "family" is coming back, not her "parents".
Why do people have to come up with theories? why can't we just let it be and wait until the next movie comes out?
I think it's because people love talking and speculating about Star Wars... and it gives them a way to share their love for it in between the yearly movie releases. For some, the journey to the next movie is almost as fun and exciting as the movie itself.
i agree with you LGBT Boy lets just watch movies and series when they come out its the same as doctor who with all the theory videos
Speculation is what leads to let downs, like yeah it's cool to theorize but don't go into the theater expecting what you've molded the perfect movie to be. That's why people are hating on Episode VIII so much now.
The "bigger, better Death Star" tells me that these people didn't think much more complicated than her being Luke's daughter. I am all for any of the above explanation. But the "Death Star planet" thing just tells me they didn't think too hard about this. They will default to what works. And what works is, she is a Skywalker.
we;ve discussed her "being" a Palpatine at length, and it would be dope... but i think she is gonna be some kind of "reincarnation" of a chosen one type... i dont think she will have special parents... i like the palpatine link though, cuz then her possibly going ot the darkside, or extra temptation, can really be explored more
I LOVE the idea of her being a Palpatine or his creation. It's probably my favorite. But she is going to be something simple, like another 'vengeance'' in the Force meant to bring balance.
was just talking to my brother about all this, like literally right now... he's into star wars big time too, at one point more than me, as he read a lot, had a ton of comics, etc...but he stays within the story, doesnt go off and theorize and talk to others about it, like me/us... anyway... we somehow got to the "will rey and ren/ben ever break bread, bone, and have a kid?"...they have some connection, people think that Ren can't be redeemed, people think Rey will go Dark, who knows...BUT... if somehow they make it happen, and pull it off and they wind up together... i can see them going into the next trilogy with something LIKE the Yuuzahn(?) Vong, this crazy alien race or threat or whatever, that is going to wipe out the whole galaxy, is force resistant, and finally only the child of Rey/Ren has enough Force power to wield it in a way that the Vong finally succumb to it... PLUS, if they are going Grey for sure, and accepting both sides of the force in these new movies, both light and dark, the child of those 2, WITH skywalker blood in him too, would, i'd say, be the most pwoerful force user ever for real, even more than luke... anyway, i know it's WAYYY out there, but the reason i even say it here, is because i think that Rey's origin might have a HUGE impact on what she does with/to Kylo Ren, AND any offspring will be tremendously important in the next trilogy (which i think we KONW they will do, after all, there's $$$$$$$ to be made!)
I agree with the both of you. If "Reylo" does happen and they end up having a child... that's going to be one hell of a powerful child. Also the next trilogy has to have a different kind of threat than just 'someone trying to take over the galaxy'. I'd have to imagine The First Order will be defeated at the end of this trilogy... so it'd be terrible when the new trilogy comes out if a new "Empire" tries to come about again. THAT would be lazy storytelling. I think the next trilogy (or whatever happens in the future of Star Wars) is something that has to threaten the galaxy or life itself. Maybe there's something crazy that exists out in the Unknown Regions or a threat emerges from beyond their galaxy.
right, and that's why i think the Yuzaahn Vong (i should really stop being lazy and get the right spelling of them)...because it's not like just an army, or some all powerful being...it's a whole new race, that has a great back story, what with the Force pretty much "kicking them out" of their will, their disdain for technology, and destroying all droids and ships and stuff...their use of biotechnology, and their ships and stuff kinda resembling the chitauri in avengers (as i write that, i think THAT comparison may be why we don't see them on screen), and overall, their brutal nature, and desire to not just "rule the galaxy," but to purge it of the life that currently inhabits it, so they can settle in, especially after their brutality pretty much ravaged their world and way of being and that's why they're there... doesnt necessarily have to be THEM to a "T," but could be some variation of them, inspired by Legends.... they can also tie it in nicely with the "presence of immense power" that Sidious felt in the outer/unknown region, and how he wanted to see if it was a threat, an ally, or someone he can dominate and use for himself and consume THEIR power. However, cuz i am THOROUGH and love the sound of my hands typing (as opposed to my own voice, as it's said lol), is that that could in essence make Palpatine look like the GOOD GUY after all this time, as he would have been drawn to that power, and ramping up to protect HIS GALAXY from invasion and extinction! Im sure a group of talented writers can of course get around this somehow....
hmm, maybe this is what Luke and Ben saw that freaked them out, that made Ben go dark and Luke go..wherever he went? Maybe Ben thought it was the best way to get the desired outcome against them? Dark side is after all a fast track to immense power.
I remember the yuzaahn vong, they were crazy difficult to defeat in the EU and Anakin Solo (Leia and Han's youngest son) died fighting them if i recall...
Again another great video. I love the real world logic and high level overview you bring to this universe. As you said, it is a much different thing that the die hard fan wants versus what the business needs to be able to sell successfully.
That being said, I think that Disney has more up their sleeve than they are letting on. I think that they absolutely want to do all of the things you mentioned. But, they also want to create and perpetuate even more fervor in the fan base understanding the value and the underlying loyalty. Therefore, they (IMO) are dead set on delivering us some major twists that will tie in the new with the old while keeping it simple as you noted for newer fans. This approach makes the most total sense as they do as much as they can to bring along the loyal fan base while building on it exponentially.
How does this impact the storytelling? That remains to be seen however we can all agree that Rey is at the epicenter of it all and how her story goes so goes the future of the SW universe.
I'm not sure how it will turn out and obviously all we can do is speculate. But I do believe that Disney is working and will will continue to laboriously sculpt an all-inclusive story for newbies and die hards alike. In the mix some will get lost for sure but I feel confident they are going to take measures to ensure that happens at a minimum level.
You're absolutely right. Disney will do their best to keep the hardcore fans happy... and yet keep these movies (and the franchise as a whole) easily accessible. There has to be a fine line between making stories that generate new fans while keeping the old ones happy, and that has to be no easy task. I wouldn't be surprised if, at every meeting (or however these things get decided) they don't stop at points and ask: will this make the diehard fans happy while still being something newbies can understand?
There will be twists in these next two movies, ones that I think hardcore fans will appreciate and yet won't confuse newcomers. I have a lot of faith in Disney and that they didn't spend all this money to mess up Star Wars, but to do right by fans while still making themselves a lot of money.
this is the most positive channel honestly about rey. most sw male fans wanna just call her a mary sue and say it's unrealistic. the entire series is fiction ffs it's disney let people just enjoy it
Malachi 4
Luke and Anakin were powerful from the get go, so that argument is moot. She's not perfect, she has a struggle..it's just within....emotionally.
I personally think that the title, "The Force Awakens" is a clear message that the The Force has some kind of collective conscious and has taken upon itself to balance out life energy by creating another Chosen One. Remember that Anakin, who is The Chosen One do no more than have keenly alert senses enough to pilot a racer (and not even that good in his previous race loses). Likewise Rey would not know of her inner powers. Both smart and crafty, both born to seemingly to planets that didn't have Force recognizing systems actively monitoring children (side note, some children in the Star Wars Universe are unfound by the Jedi Order, not training them at an early age and end up becoming Sith. Darth Maul's mother gave him to Sidious, not the Jedi.) The key I think is that the force needs to equalize itself. When Qui-Gon says, " He is the Chosen One, he will bring balance." He refers to a prophecy . It is said that Anakin will bring balance just doesn't say how. The corrupt evil that had taken a 1000yrs to unbind the balance was so strong that it would take more than Anakin, his children and grandchild to bring the Darkside to balance hence another Chosen One. Even Neo wasn't he first in The Matrix.
Sadly there is major flaw with the whole basis of your argument here. George Lucas drafted this story decades ago. Kathleen Kennedy came aboard as he was sales pitching the draft to Disney and Michael Ardnt did the first screen play to proove proof of concept to Disney. JJ Abrams only modified bits of it with Lawrence Kasdan once he got on board, at its core though the story always remained Lucas'. Lucas's big complaint about Ep 7 was it was a copy of IV, not that they changed the core characters. Anyways Kathleen was hired since she was a personal friend of Lucas and he knew she'd follow the core of his drafts, even if she had to change minor details of them because of Disney or any Director.
So the original idea for Rey was never a strong female lead, it was always the conclusion to the Skywalker family saga and the conclusion of the prophecy of the Chosen One. Lucas based Star Wars upon stories like Dune and King Arthur which are both family sagas. Sure John Carter of Mars and Flash Gordon got thrown in and Hidden Fortress, but the protagonist's journeys have always been tied to the first two mentioned.
Rey will be related to someone, as long as Lucasfilm doesn't drastically alter Lucas's drafts. My bet is Luke, though I see Palpatine or Snoke as other contenders (not Kenobi or Han/Leia though) either solely or shared with Luke. Thematically, I think it works best if she's both a Skywalker and another known bloodline too.
I personally see Vader more akin to Uther Pendragon, Luke more akin to Paul Atreides, Kylo as Mordred, and Rey as a mash-up of Leto II & Ghanima Atreides. Leia is more of an Alia Atreides to me. I'm personally hoping Rey's mother is Mara Jade, but I'm expecting to get a more Morgan Le Fay type character instead (though Mara could easily be rewritten that way with little actual changes to her character from legends). I'm not saying that they'll follow all the paths of these characters, just that thematically there are parallels.
Rey isn't a nobody, she just believed she was one. This trilogy wasn't penned by Kathleen Kennedy for the sake of creating a strong female character, it was penned by Lucas concluding his story and bowing out. He just let Kathleen play a bit with his strong female character who is related to someone, most likely Luke though I see her being a Palpatine also as a possibility. Her being related to Snoke is the wild card based on what they do with him in 8 and 9. Rey being a girl was simply likely because Lucas had a new baby girl when this was happening, plus he had 2 adopted daughters as well... and he knew Kathleen Kennedy would love to make a strong female character but she, being a friend, would also honor his story. The stories Kathleen can do what ever the heck she wants with are the Anthology films, like Rogue One.
Jonathan Ryan
Right because Rey can't be a character all her own and Kylo be the Skywalker in the saga. The story always has to be about Luke. We can't love Rey as her own character apart from the Skywalker family. If she's the main
Protagonist than she has to be Luke's because then that makes him once again the central focus of the story. I'm sorry I don't agree with your statement about her being a Skywalker. It's like your saying, "yeah I love Rey! Now how does she relate to Luke because he's the main character of the saga and that can't ever change." It can change and I'm sorry but Kylo is the last Skywalker and is just as important a character as Rey making it still a Skywalker story. I'm happier if she is Rey Random, and remains a unique and intriguing character all her own. If she's a Skywalker I'm ok but it's very boring and predictable story then with very low stakes. If she is I'm not expecting much from this trilogy because then it's just a replay of the original as many have already accused it of being and that's sad. I respect you but I respectfully agree to disagree.
Janet Rubio Rey isn't that good of a character anyway
Khepera Bowlin-Jones
Everyone has their own opinion. I happen to love her character, she's a bad ass girl kicking Kylo's ass every time he turns around and I'm for seeing a woman be strong enough to kick a guys ass lol but I respect your opinion it's all cool.
Janet Rubio
The story is not about Luke. It's about Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. Luke's entire character revolves around his father. How to live up to his father's Jedi legacy and how to avoid the evil path of Darth Vader. That's why people want Rey to be a Skywalker. Because it fits the family theme started with Luke and Anakin.
It also prevents people from accusing Rey of being a Mary Sue.
Evan Pan-Bao
I don't think Rey is a Mary Sue if she's not a Skywalker, and you just proved my argument but twisted it from Luke to Anakin/Vader. "Rey is great, but how does she relate to Anakin and Luke?" I'm sorry like I said agree to disagree. I just don't see the story that way. I see Kylo as being the main Skywalker in the story. Solo or not his mom is a Skywalker. I also see him as a huge parallel to both Luke and especially Anakin. Do they really need another Skywalker ? I'm not being disrespectful towards anyone for their view of the story I promise. I'd like for her to be her own persona apart from the Skywalker family. That's just my wish and apparently the wish of millions of other fans as well. There are many who feel the way you do also and that's ok. Hey you never know they might make her his long lost kid that will take up so much screen time explaining that we don't have more than 10 minutes of all the other characters to explain how that happened lol I'm sorry I just don't see her being a Skywalker. You're entitled to your opinion though and if she is I'm happy for Luke and for you and the millions of fans out there who think that will be a good story. If (and that's a HUGE IF!) that happens I'll be one of the disappointed fans out there. No matter who she is in the end there's going to be a lot of people upset by it, right? JJ Mr. Abrams, Sir you built that mystery box all WRONG! And way way to big lol good luck to you I hope you have a good week 😊👍🏻
I've watched many Star Wars breakdowns by other creators, but yours are the best! You've hit the nail on the head; Star Wars is for everyone.
I honestly don't have much sympathy for Rey at the moment, she seems too shallow. I just don't like the idea of her being too good at everything for no particular reason because to me, all great characters have both strengths *and* weaknesses. This is what makes a character believable and relatable to the general audience regardless of gender, race, or whatever. As for her being a completely new and original character, I'm absolutely fine with that! She just doesn't have to be good at everything to be a great character.
little boy anakin was good at everything, just saying. It wasn't til he got all hot headed teenager did he start to have faults.
***** if you read my comment you'd know I said "at the moment" which means I'm very open to her character development in the upcoming stories.
Luke in ANH was not good at everything. He required assistance in order to succeed. Obi-wan had to tell him what to do with an unexpected come back from Han Solo otherwise he would have failed and died with the rebellion over Yavin IV.
You're supposed to show a characters potential in the first movie and have them learn what they're capable of. Their great moments are meant to be saved for their developed future to show how they've risen above. My point is, potential and outcome are two very different things.
I didn't say she was without fault, I said she has too many strengths. She's able to do more than a believable character can, it's called being human when you're good at some things but also bad at others. My point has nothing to do with her accepting her own future.
I've also never made any accusations about Rey and Anakin, I'm focusing on the alleged similarities between her and Luke, not Anakin.
You're answering things I haven't even said, don't put words into peoples mouths and expect to be right. Now I suggest less kindly, you shut up.
Hey man, remember me? I am one of your first 1000 subs and I have got to admit your channel is making progress. Regarding the idea that many fans will be disappointed with Rey's origin once it's revealed no matter what it is, I couldn't have said it better myself. That's the issue with having such hugely popular movie franchises in the modern era of the Internet and TH-cam etc. either someone will guess the mystery or everyone will be mad that the mystery wasn't what they though it was. By the way are you a full-time youtuber? You must be super committed if you have time to do all the things that you mentioned at the beginning of the video. I'd love to see you do some collaborations with other star wars youtubers.
I'm not a full time TH-camr, I actually have a full time job and family.... and pretty much no free time anymore, lol. But you're absolutely right that one of the problems with the internet and TH-cam is that it builds expectations to unrealistic levels... meaning there are going to be a lot of disappointed people when the movie comes out and is either nothing like we've all been guessing... or is exactly like we've all been guessing. As much as I love doing this, it does in a way contribute to the problem...
But anyway, yes I do remember you. And I do thank you for all your early support.
the fact that Daisy Ridley said that she thought it was obvious who her parents were in the original tells me that it has to be somebody that we know. I think she needs to be a Skywalker. I hope she is Luke's daughter. I know a lot of people say that that would be lazy this and and what not but I think that's the wrong way to look at it. Being Luke's daughter would be the logical thing to do. these episodes being Skywalker trilogy means you need to bring in the next generation of Skywalkers period I get that kylo Ren is a Skywalker but Daisy is much more the main character therefore she should be a Skywalker as well. I'd be totally fine with her being Han and Leia's daughter but I think being Luke's daughter would have much more of an impact and do much more for this movies themselves. We get to see a relationship that we never had with Anakin, Darth Vader comma and Luke. Ray has the potential to be one of the strongest Jedi, like her father before her. giving us the strongest Jedis fighting side-by-side. again something Luke had missed out on when he was a young adult. the one positive of being Han and Leia's child would be that Rey and kylo would be brother and sister and I think that dynamic going up against each other stronger than cousins battling. although I think that would work as well for the simple fact that it's family against family.
Good subject Thor. We need to remind ourselves from time to time of this point. We hardcore types want and crave deeper and more complex stories with rich history steeped deep in the SW lore. Of course we also know that would require a lot of screen time even for us and would never make any sense to the rest of the audience. There is a way, however, for them to do both. I'm not speaking of specifics here but they can give us a simple story that the casuals can follow but yet can give us details that connect dots giving us the complexity and depth we desire but without any of that being anything more than Easter eggs. So long as none of that is required for the audience to follow and keep up and so long as they never get a sense of being lost or on the outside of an inside joke, so to speak. They have been doing this quite well and they can do the same with subjects like Rey and Snoke.
They did that exact thing very well in Rogue One. I remember when Gold & Red leader showed up in that movie and I wanted to literally cheer... while others around me had no reaction at all because they didn't connect the dots to Episode IV. I'd love it if they do more of that in the future... or even with the novelizations of the movies go far more into depth than they do in the movies themselves. Not so much that it changes the story, but just gives that little bit of extra depth we more passionate fans want.
Another great video. I agree with you on Rey and great point on Star Wars theory and speculation. Definitely another part of Star Wars entertainment. Absolutely love fan theories and speculating over characters/storylines. You've got a great channel and well thought out videos.
i love hearing your theories as they are well composed and explained. I'm on the fence on Rey's origin and, truthfully, after hearing all the different fan theories, i feel the official parentage reveal will not be a surprise. in my opinion, the safest course is to default, as you mention, to abandonment with no origin. I'd love to see if you can find support in your vast understanding of the star wars universe to convince folks she is related to our beloved jar jar binks. if anything, it would be an entertaining piece.
It's going to be bad to the last 2 fans who care
The point has been made before that if Rey is either not related to some powerful force user, or we just don't learn of who they are, then it makes for a stronger message to the younglings in the audience. The message being that she can be this powerful, important, relevant, and exciting regardless of her lineage. That way every kid recognizes that they have unlimited potential and their futures are not already mapped out, with boundaries, from birth.
I've been saying this all along. It all has to make sense to fans that have only seen the film.
A reasonable theory but it doesn't make sense with how much of a big deal TFA made about her identity. Everyone was concerned about who she was and that information was hidden from us in such a way as to yell at us "We're not telling you who she is yet." When Maze asked and the scene cut is the example that comes to mind immediately.
She has to have some significant identity because they went out of their way to show us that they were hiding that identity from us. If she really was to be a nobody who just made her self strong then they would have left that dialog out or they would have shown the answer "I don't know.."
Further a staple in Star Wars is that the bad things that happen are often initiated by the good characters. IE Obi Wan training Anakin "You'll be the death of me." "Don't say that Master." and Bobba Fet being set off by Obi Wan as well.
It would make sense that something about Rey will be tied back to some action of Obi Wan.
Did the movie make that big of a deal about her identity? Or did it show a clip of someone abandoning her on Jakku and then in the very next seen our new old, wise Yoda like character tells her that "whoever they are, they're never coming back"?
Was that maybe supposed to be a big clue that her parents are not relevant to the story? That maybe whatever is ahead of her is more important than what is behind....
I agree. That's why I think she'll be a Kenobi, cause it's a simple explanation. Obiwan hooked up with someone at the cantina in episode 4 in secret and then that person flew to cloud city and had her child put into carbonite storage and then the child was found 20 years later. Simple, elegant, easy to follow. Not convoluted at all.
Another great video Thor & I think you're spot on with your continued insistence that the main story must remain simple. JJ mentioned as much in some of his earliest interviews prior to the release of TFA. It seems to me the way the first couple of years under Disney has panned out that the films & TV series will remain pretty simple & easy for the masses to follow. What I think we hardcore fans will continue to get are teasers & easter eggs in the on screen stuff with the novels exploring the intricate details we more hardcore fans love. Thanks again for all your great content Thor.
I agree, I think they will always keep Star Wars pretty simple so the masses can watch and enjoy it, but they will always put little things in there for the hard core fans to find and enjoy. Rogue One was already a perfect example of this.
I have to agree with your theory. Correct me if I am wrong (since I am not your average SW fan-boy, I merely enjoy all the stories about the franchise), but aren't there plenty of Star Wars characters who were gifted force users while none in their family lineage were force sensitive at all? Rey could be just similar case - just being born as force sensitive (although the flash-backs of her being left on the planet probably have deeper meaning)
Absolutely Marek, all things are still possible with Rey's lineage. That's why there are so many plausible theories banging around out there. Personally I really enjoy all the different theories, even the ones I don't agree with. The facts are none of us really know, but I have a lot of fun listening to people like Thor who post these great videos exploring all the different possibilities.
At this stage I do believe Rey is Luke's daughter, or at least connected to her in a major way...either through blood, or some weird force connection. The first thing that people often say to this is why did Luke leave her, or why didn't Han and/or Leia recognise her, or if Luke thought she was dead, wouldn't the strong Skywalker force usage allow him to know she was alive.
Well, my thought is more that if she is Luke's daughter, he believes her dead...and as for not detecting her...Anakin/Darth Vader was inches away from Leia and still never picked up on her being his daughter and she is just as much a Skywalker as Luke.
Now, why the strong connection to Luke...the obvious is the lightsaber, and probably the thing that would make many believe she is a Skywalker...but for me, the connection to Luke is shown mostly when Kylo is trying to search her mind for the map...and she has seen it...but instead he sees the island where Luke is, something Rey should not have known. There is also the fact that R2 finally finds the rest of the map and wakes up at the same time that Rey actually gets close to where he is...but that can probably be explained away.
Oh, and they never have to go into any great detail of Rey's mother...we didn't find out who Luke's mother was until the prequels came out, and knowing Obi Wan knew his father closely, that he would have known the identity of his mother.
With all that being said, will I be disappointed if she isn't Luke's daughter?..maybe a little, but I am sure I am going to love whatever they come up with!
yea i have to agree with you on why she should't be a skywalker
i mean wasn't that the whole point of the "i am your father" thing in the first place?
I keep what I think... so THANK YOU this is a great video to prepare us for whatever is coming.
Great video Thor. I see no one has touched on Rey just being dumped on Jakku because she WAS force sensitive. I believe those kids (and possibly the parents) were being hunted and killed at the time. Food for thought.
An untrained amateur fighting other untrained amateur should not be able to take on anyone with training especially when it comes to armed combat. I used to do Tae kwan do in college and I’ll tell you right now there are many nuances you’ll never guess on your own by swinging a stick around
Being a Skywalker would not take away from who Rey is or her abilities to survive what she has went through. And being a Skywalker would not mean her skills were automatically a given. Luke struggled to control The Force and his skills were not a given, he had to be trained and was still erratic using it. So her being a Skywalker would not ensure her being able to survive on Jakku, that survival is a skill she learned on her own no thanks to The Force. The Force was dormant inside of her just like it was in Luke because she did not realize she had it and neither did he. Once they realized it, then they were able to grasp it and begin to use it. It may be stronger in her because she has not had to deal with the dark evils of the dark side so at this point she is pure and why she is stronger at this initial stage than Luke was, her dad was not Vader so the pull to the dark side is not there as strong. Where Luke had Daddy issues and Yoda issues for dark and light, she has only light at the moment and her experience with the dark side is just purely evil from the destruction of plants to the "death" of Han, there is no draw to the dark side at this point. When Ren had her in the room questioning her he was telling her " Your so lonely, so afraid to leave. At night desperate to sleep, you imagine an ocean, I see it I see the island" She had never seen an island or an ocean but at the end of the movie we see Rey find Luke on an island in an ocean.... And he has been tormented from his failures, lonely, afraid to leave, desperate to sleep. So was Rey channeling Luke and Ren seeing Luke's pain and location without realizing it? Rey being a Skywalker may be too easy generally speaking but the story of her journey and what lead up to her being on Jakku would be one to tell. All that being said, I do not think she is a Skywalker though, I think Leia would sense that. But she could have been a student that survived and was hidden... So many options, I love it...
People who say that Rey is "no one" and doesn't have an important backstory are dead wrong. Watch that movie again. Han *clearly* knew who she was. Kylo also clearly knows, and in the "Novelization" he even says "It IS you!" when she gets the lightsaber in the final fight. Luke also may well have recognized her. They even throw in hints like Maz saying "who is the girl", and do a joke where she says it's a "big secret" who her family is. I guarantee she is someone, it's just a question of who
I don't think it would be a complex thing if it was revealed that Rey is for example Palpatine's granddaughter. Everyone knows who Palpatine/Sidious was, and in the movie it's usually explained for another time in the context that Rey questions this and has only heard "stories" about this person. In TFA there is heavy references to Darth Vader constantly, what's the logic behind talking about Darth Vader if the audience wouldn't get it? because people get it, the Star Wars characters are very famous and your avarage watcher knows them.. Also if the movies connect, it would mean more new watchers would come back to the old movies, some maybe rewatch them.
I disagree that her being from a known family line will lessen her strength or the perception of her strength in fans eyes. Placing her in a Jedi family line will strengthen the story of Ray from which means more films and more money. If she is from no family then her history ends and so does possible revenue from those films. The very fact that her origin is asked about within the film itself should be a sign to us viewers that her origin is important and will unlikely be ordinary.
She's Luke's daughter.
Disney and Lucasfilm has made it very clear. These Trilogies are about the Skywalker Saga. I believe Rey is Luke's daughter because of her connection to the force and Anakin's lightsaber in particular. The fact that she was hidden on Jakku, a planet similar to Tatooine, a desert world where both Anakin and Luke grew up, learning to survive in a harsh environment. And it is no coincidence that the Millennium Falcon just happened to be sitting there for Rey to use to escape Jakku.
Maybe she was left there because Luke had a vision of Rey's eventual escape from Jakku and her meeting up with Han and Chewie.
If she isn't a Skywalker/Solo, this film will lose all credibility because of all the councindence.
what if she is mace windo' s daughter? I don't know but I love how luck as film is keeping her orgin on the hush hush I hope it's something we haven't seen before in the star wars flims. I hope it is very diffrent from the original series of movies.
and as in "WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEAS" What you don't get is that making her NOT be a Skywalker makes her less interesting in that it makes her one dimensional. Let me explain. The most compelling aspect of Star Wars for me, and what DIFFERENTIATED it from every other Sci Fi yarn was it's attention to interpersonal relationships and FAMILY.Also, it makes characters like Luke Skywalker more vulnerable and has sonething to LOSE in having a daughter.
Not to mention character tension between Rey and luke. Think about it. If luke left Rey behind for whatever reason, it would make a really compelling drama between these two characters.
Now, I'm not in the Skywalker or bust camp, but what irritates me the most is that so much intentional mystery, intrigue and emphasis was placed on Rey's parentage in The Force Awakens, that one would logically assume that her back story is an important thread linking the old and the new. one that we can care about. To set up all of this mystery to make her related to Joe nerfherder is disingenuous, lame, and the biggest carrot and the stick in the history if film.
So, do I think she will be a Skywalker? no. but not for the reasons you mentioned. Well, maybe one. cash. Disney wants to make money and leave options open to create more merchandise and spinoffs, cartoons, books etc. got that reason I understand. for the reasons that count, I dont.
Very good and sound reasoning. However, a few things to point out I must.
> Star Wars is a trilogy and a saga. As such, to change the pattern for the last three would destroy that. It is the story of the Skywalkers, and each part of the trilogy centers on a generation of the Skywalkers. Therefore, Rey is a Skywalker and the main protagonist of the last three episodes. I don't think even Di$ney would dare break the fundamental storyline...although on second thought... And if they do change the foundation of the trilogy, it isn't a true trilogy any longer.
> Think about it... three protagonists, each being the alleged chosen one (well Rey will be), each living their youth on a desert planet and each strong with the force. The force is strong in Rey not because she is a nobody but because she is a Skywalker.
> If Rey's parents were nobodies, why not reveal that in TFA? And if Daisey Ridley says the identity of her parents should be easy to figure out, that means they are known characters. How can anyone figure out the identity of unidentified nobodies.
> In the first two parts of the trilogy, a parent of the protagonist is a strong part of the storyline. Maybe Luke is going to end the Jedi. Rey rights the wrong of the parent and defeats evil by convincing Luke to do otherwise; just as Luke convinced Darth Vader he had good in him and Vader/Anakin then disposed of the emperor and came back to the light. In the first three, Anakin's mother and her torture and death was his first encounter with hatred and revenge, and his first and maybe biggest step toward the darkside. There is a strong parent-child connection in the first two parts of the trilogy, why not the third?
> If Luke is Rey's father, he wasn't necessarily the one who left her. She may have been born on the planet and left in the care of the mother or other caretakers. Luke knows that he, now the last Jedi is hunted and must separate himself from his daughter at all costs. Who left the and why can have a number of answers.
Anyway, just my opinion. Wherever they take the story, they already have. It's isn't a question of what I prefer to see, but what I believe the Star Wars Trilogy Saga is all about. Three generations of Skywalkers who will ultimately defeat the purveyors of the dark side and bring peace to the galaxy. Thanks!
My question is is the 2nd teaser from the force awakens where Luke talks just misdirection?
I have done a lot of research also, but you have to take into consideration how Rey uses the force like Obi Wan. They also used a lot of mirrors and parallels between The Force Awakens and the movie Obi Wan is in. I still do believe she might be her own but it would make more sense by bringing back someone from an earlier movie to connect it. Obi Wan and Rey are also very similar with clothing and their British accents. Also in real life Finn has a British accent but they made him have an American one for the movie which for some reason they were connecting the British accents. An example of a mirror is the fight scene between Kylo and Rey completely mirrors Obi Wan's fight scene with Darth Vader just i different settings. So if she is a Kenobi her duel with Kylo would have much more significance because they are basically reliving the duel their grandfathers once fought. My last piece is another mirror of how Obi Wan and Rey both were lonely in their desert homes. However I do see how her parents were not in Star Wars at all.
the one thing I have trouble with is the "with nothing but free time on her hands" part. Someone surviving out there in a desert community would not have any free time, because they'd always be busy finding what they need next to survive.
If the story turns out like you said it will be totally awesome, but I would also like her to be a nobody but at the same time that she already knew kylo Ren from Luke's academy which could explain why he knows her... In the end she would have learned something about the force but Luke sent her back to jaku and made her forget everything for some reason... And maybe to jaku because it was the place he was born
I like the video and understand where you are coming from. But here is how i see the first meeting going down. I don't necessarily like it.
"Ok how we going to handle the new generations of Skywalkers."
"Lets make Luke's child a girl."
"Oh, and lets have a child of Han and Leia as well."
"How about if we have one on the light side and the other on the dark. Maybe a conflicted dark side user."
In my opinion I'm leaning more towards Skywalker or Solo. Plus Daisy Ridley said it was obvious who her parents were in The Force Awakens & that it was hiding in plain sight. Honestly in my opinion I wish they used the Expanded Universe material with the Solo Twins Jaina & Jacen Solo along with Anakin Solo & Ben Skywalker.
Her actual quote was more along the lines that she thought much was revealed in The Force Awakens, not that it was obvious who her parents were. That quote has been twisted by many (myself included) to make it sound like she said her parents were in the movie or revealed in it. Still, I'm all for them going more along the EU route if they can do it in a way that's easy to understand for everyone.
Thor Skywalker I think if they went the EU route they could've adapted a story like maybe they used the Yuuzhan Vong War or Second Galactic Civil War storyline, or if they did an original story to keep the Expanded Universe still canon they could've made the cancelled Sword Of The Jedi Trilogy, that could've been a way to show that the Expanded Universe was in continuity with the movies. If they did something involving the EU, it would've a win win for both sides of the fandom.