Having worked in media production in the past, this is not a surprise. “Waiting on deliverables from third party” is a thing and messes with everyone’s schedules.
even as a developer, I understood this pain like for example in my case, waiting for documentation like FSD, TSD, etc to be out from the client side so I can actually understand what kind of app that my client wants or something along those lines.
Having to wait on them just makes my day so boring. Because I have to wait for 2 separate third parties, I literally spent all day today just cleaning up my department (And playing Pokemon don't tell my boss)
yeah people not getting that 3rd parties are usually what kills a project rather than cover most of the time. When it's covers screw up it tends to lead to delays not canceling.
Deadlines like what Irys is talking about are often abundant, so yeah, it not being Cover's fault makes sense. For example, some of our old washing machines here where I work, which is a laundromat, were leaking and needed new plumbing done. We also had gotten two new machines, which needed to be hooked up at the same time, so we had to wait for those to be delivered first. And then, even after those were delivered and hooked up, someone from the plumbers reused parts from the older hoses we had instead of new ones, and we had them spraying water everywhere, so we had to hold off on letting people use the older machines (even though the new ones were fine). Stuff like that sucks, but there's really not much you can do if something goes wrong and delays the work :( just hope everything works out for our nephilim!
This isn't even a corpo thing. This is inevitable working with companies, or really just people, on any kind of large project. Ever work on a group project in school and have to wait for someone to get their part done? Now imagine there's a hundred people involved.
At least in companies people are being paid so they make literally any effort to get their stuff turned in on time and done correctly-- OH WAIT HAHAHAHA Hopefully Cover has motivated people who do in fact do their best, but in a lot of companies it's just.... yeah....
Reminder that the talents decide how much work they take in. Matsuri literally said she doesnt do any studio work because she wants to be lazy all day. Subaru literally told her manager it was an OFF YEAR for her so she didnt do studio time as much.
I think the concern is talents not feeling comfortable saying no or managers pressuring them to do more work. But hopefully the senpais are taking care of their kouhais and teaching them to say no to management.
I didn't usually follow Holomems as close before but this week I've seen the girls pretty busy with studio work. Zeta, Kiara, Bae and all talking about spending a lot of time there on Twitter. I wonder if this is usual, if the start of the year has a heavier workload or what. I just hope they don't burnout!
Working as a software developer, this happens all the time. You have multiple things to do, but scheduled in a pretty chill way so that you don't have to do too many things at once. But then task 1 gets delayed due to delivery issue from other companies, and suddenly the stuff I have to do for task 1 and task 2 overlap in timing when they originally didn't.
In a company there's a lot involved But the "Disagreement with management", siunding so direct and passive agressive raises suapicions But we still don't know what's going on anyways, there literally could be just 1 single person causing issues while everything else is perfectly fine
The word IRyS is looking for is "outsourcing". Projects live and die by it. SUPER convenient and excellent use of one's network, knowing a guy-a specialist, hopefully-for each facet of the project. But each guy has their own projects to deal with, and no one really knows how tight everyone else's schedule is surrounding their contributions. Someone might be working on only that thing, others might cram their part into the next 24h because they already agreed to 2 other projects starting immediately after. God forbid you need them to revise something later. Ever heard a Holomem "wonder if someone in-house" can do something or has a certain skill when brainstorming projects? That's to avoid outsourcing when possible.
And this work crunch, when you depend on the work of third parties to get through your own slice of action, is why time and resource _buffers_ are so important. You gotta give yourself extra breathing room because no matter what, SOMEONE is gonna drop the ball and tighten that belt. Anyone that's ever dealt with administration knows what I mean and what she is going through.
yeah having worked with multi department and the hurry up and wait watching your lead time vanish. I feel for the BTS staff that are likely having to crunch constantly to finish their part on a project while loosing time on the next one do to delays. This isn't even touching on multi talent project where you have even more individual parts that need to be done at various points.
There's never a big enough buffer when you're running multiple projects and not just one. Sooner or later you're gonna have the worst delays that just make your schedule hell.
Waiting for the 3rd parties works to be done until you can actually start working on the project yourself is pain in the ass. I can see why COVER start to do everything in-house nowaday.
I like hearing details like this and appreciate how hard it can be to not overstep on sharing. It’s just nice to get some info on how stuff goes on. Sometimes work sucks and there’s a crunch-it is what it is.
The talents can decisde how much works they take, so most likely either Irys didn't think too much when she took all the jobs, or after she took the jobs, the scheduling just become too cramped
I mean she literally said in the video, step 1 of something gets delayed due to outside reasons, and then suddenly things get cramped together b/c of rescheduling
@@SacredFaerie yeah, these things happen, imagine if you're making a 3D live, and you need a new 3D costume, but the artist didn't deliver the design in time, and then everything will be delayed
They decide how much work they take but also it's not their fault when things gets delay and then the time gets mix with other projects and they have to do it all at the same time. This is classic in an entertaining company, the problems most of the time are never on the company or the talent, it's always external problems
Like yeah that's understandable. If you have a huge project that relies on 3rd parties doing their part inorder for you to do your part one small delay can cascade to multiple delays. Especially when it comes to logistics.
Planning for those delays in advance and inserting mitigation measures for them in the plan is the key difference between a good administrator and a kid with a clipboard.
@@GoodOleDFTYou're acting as if they're only running a single project at a time. If you have a real multi-project calendar then no matter how well you schedule things and how much buffer you add sooner or later you're gonna have overlaps from the most random delays.
I mean this is common for most line of work I work on construction design that tackle a specific system but you just can't make your work without the corresponding outputs from other trades or specialist for example if you work for electrical system you can't make the design without the plan layout (from Civil and architectures) and loads you need to supply power to (mechanical and electronics) and if even one of those has changes or delays it will become a domino that will affect the whole project you may say 'just extend the deadline' but that's easier said than done, shit will cost money, resources and manpower
Everybody involved in the projects also have their own schedules, and it's gonna be full if they're in high demand. So any single person delaying their part of work can easily cause more and more delay down the line.
I literally think of the "Why is it not possible" patrick bateman meme as soon as she says that she wish there's a magical person that can do all the things but that's just not possible
yeah, obviously the best thing would be to be able to do everything yourself obviously impossible next best would be to have one other guy you can rely on for bigger projects, thats also not gonna cut it and soon you have to add more and more cogs to the machine and when one of them jams...
You know the company is good when the talents defend it. Bad schedualing is something I can relate to, I thought my first aid was due month.... it not, it's THIS month. Line manager is being a pain about it.
There is something what people just dont get. No matter what the truth may be to some it wouldn't matter. You don't need to convince anti's, doom posters, trolls etc. Those types exist to just spread misinformation, lies, rumours, hate. For what? Fun,clout or simply without thought. The best is just to ignore them, report them, block them. If they cross the line? Sue them. Don't feed them what they seek.
Yeah, I feel they're trying to make it clear how things work as much as they can because of how wild theories became from last year's graduations, but people will try to read between the lines and keep making assumptions anyway.
@@ZanesZygot yeah, you cant convince true antis, but there are also enough people who simply dont know any better and need these thigs literally spelt out that its worth it to explain.
It's understandable, this is like if you are working with a firm and you are stuck between the government & your client, you need to submit this form to the government by this date but your client still haven't give you the needed documents until the last second and when you are late you get blasted by both parties
My job is at the "Get it done" end of a very long train of planning and logistics. So I usually don't have to deal with 3rd party issues because that's done at the planning level. But even so I'm occasionally dealing with all sorts of issues from within my own company and it FEELS like I'm dealing with a 3rd party 😂
The fact the girls have to clarify this isn't their company's fault every damn time thanks to how badly Nijisanji fumbled is forever a pain in the ass. Let them be. Please. Even flesh streamers who have managers have once or twice commented what is like to have schedule issues, this is also so fucking normal in everyone's work, anyone who doesn't understand this has never worked in a high pressure industry.
I can see why some talents can get stressed...so much behind the scenes going on. Im mean at this point Holo is literally a movie production company with how much stuff their working on. And the holomems are like celebrites lol...especially Sei-chan and her comcrts and appearancrs shes been doing. Crazy how far yhe company has come. Still wondering what theyre cooking up eith the unreal engine stuff in the future, im sure they want the top of the line models so theyre probs looking lots of ppl with dev experience.
People commented before me saying that "This is common for a big company," but I have to remind you, this is IRyS who is saying she wants less studio time, more streaming time, who debuted as someone that should be doing more studio time and less studio time, which makes the context imply that they are pushing way too much studio time on people. Similarly, if the talent has to say no as vociferously as talents seem to be having to, it implies that there is a change of focus towards studio time to a point that they don't like. Either way, as long as it is the choice of the talent and their health and will is respected then I don't see a problem with it, although cover might want to take a step back and realize Hololive is for vtubers, not idols and those are different things, because it might harm them to push them into an idol role.
confirmation that streaming is becoming a secondary activity for Hololive. They should make a streaming/gaming branch. I don't have issues with Holo turning more towards idol activities, but I started watching Hololive because of the streams and I am not much into idol culture.
From what she's saying this sounds ok. Just normal busy time and scheduling hiccups, and she and the other girls are getting more comfortable with speaking up if it gets too much.
So, technically, schedule logistics? Idk and also my bad for saying this. Everyone here involved should fix scheduling. If something is waiting, it should be put on the back of the queue or something. (especially if you are already working on something) Because this current process will disrupt time, and money, of everyone
I mean it just happens in every other work and every other thing that involves a lot of people. It's like traffic, all it takes is a lil bit of slow down and it dominoes into a jam. Sure, the company and talents should try to improve some points that causes these issues but I think fans should also do their part and just not jump to conclusions and assumptions, concerns like that do more harm than good coz that's just another stress that the talents have to carry.
@@DefinitelyNotaHertaPuppet okay, but idk why are you telling me that. Cause 1.) I mostly different from most people. 2.) I'm only giving opinions. 3.) I don't doom post, or in particular some of my comments or posts, should be taken in the context I provided them. *If there is anything I forgot, I'll just write it later And also I don't speak for everyone else.
@@kissena3830 because your suggestion simply doesnt work. what irys is talking about is projects that involve a lot of independent contractors. all it takes is literally just one of them becoming sick, unable to work for a week, to delay the whole project. then, suddenly, instead of having a week off between your own work on this project and another project, you have two weeks of work back to back. and they work on a lot of projects in parallel, sometimes they are in the works for about a year. nothing about that can be "fixed", you can only hope to have enough room to work on multiple projects and get the delayed ones back on track.
@srkares it can work, why did they try it? Also 1.) Some of my suggestions did work. 2.) It is called an opinion suggestions. So yes not all of them will work. But they should try if they want the best for their talents and company. (It doesn't need to be my suggestions). 3.) This or your kind of thinking is like underestimating if people gone through the same experience. 4.) Asian people are mostly traditional in their work culture, that's why most of their working culture doesn't change. Which they should, if they don't want to decline. 5.) If they have multiple independent contractors. It much better if they build a much better relationship and decreasing what is not needed. (Especially if a company changes a lot of IC everytime)
@srkares you don't need to fix everything you just fix something. Your thinking is kind of bad. Because some people or companies or freelancers can fix or somewhat fix these problems.
'You can always say no.' 'You can leave whenever you want.' How much emotional pressure is put on them to take on the work though? 'Your'e too busy? But everyone was really looking forward to this project! X and Y have already done their parts.' I do not trust Japanese corpo culture to not take advantage of people.
I guess you also don’t trust the talents on their words that they’re fine or their ability to take care of themselves. They’re grown ass strong willed women who deal with dumbasses online daily. They’ll be fine.
this has absolutely 0 to do with how these projects work. if you agree to participate, you participate. you decide in advance if you want to participate, so all the stuff you were writing does not apply. also you have literally dozens of talents that already talked in the past about taking on less projects to not stress themselves out too much, that they themselves decided to take on more and more before, because _they_ wanted to work on these projects. this is something that always happens with them in their 2nd and sometimes 3rd year, because they are really excited about all the possibilities open to them, but they all eventually learn to slow it down.
It's a hint to why some talents decides to graduate. Some have a family, some have VA obligations outside of hololive, some are just not interested in becoming an vitural idol when they are already an idol irl. This corpo vision of turning them into an idol group to cater to stockholders ... isn't what the talents signed up for.
What the hell are you smoking, Yagoo was going around saying it's a company of virtual idols since the early gens. If someone went in expecting to just do chill every day streaming they screwed up but have nobody but themselves to blame
so the "hint" as to why decide to graduate is reasons that anyone would have to quit any job? family matters, another work/ hobby-turned-work or losing interest in the job? fascinating. thank you for your gracious insight. wait, also what is that insane leap from "corpo vision of idol group" to "cater to stockholders" when hololive already stated they were an idol group far before they went public. also as far as im aware, stockholders dont give a damn about what the company does, only that it makes them money, as evidenced by several instances of investors asking if they have to pay the talents so mcuh and yagoo telling them to F off, in essence, so not sure how that fits together either. do you people even spend 5 seconds thinking about what you write down?
IRys mentioned work being done by outside companies, which often holds things up. I can't speak for COVER, but where I work we've currently got an order for 100 machines to be built and ready for shipment by April. Okay, cool. Except, the number of machines was doubled on us and then we get a call from a supplier saying that a cellular modem we use will have its shipment delayed by 15 weeks. Our management had initially planned things out in a reasonable time frame and was getting everything we needed shipped in, but due to circumstances beyond their control, things are now very tight and they aren't able to negotiate more time to work on the order. It's easy to blame management from the outside, management does make mistakes and should be held accountable, but things rarely ever go to schedule in the real world and it isn't always due to maliciousness or incompetence.
@@residentevilman64 yep, your management is good, really good if I take your word for it. but it's sounds like the other side ain't . thank for your input 👍
Kinda funny that people immediately assume it "cover corp" that has bad management (I only said it in a general sense). well I can't blame you people knowing the recent events. also, defending a million dollar company (not the talent) is a concept I don't understand.
This is what made Aqua, Fauna, and Chloe made them leave. You can't stream and chill. When I was at management in the past, schedules were so toxic that there were so many deadlines and sleep is almost non existent. Destroyed my health and for 2 years I gave up. Rush work isn't my style and can't barely keep up.
Oh look someone who comments without actually watching it. THE TALENTS DECIDE HOW MUCH WORK THEY DO. Chloes reason is her health is getting too bad. BOTH Fauna and Aqua literally said they don't regret the idol path THEY CHOSE to take. You're literally wrong on all points. Management my ass.
Yeah I didnt watch the clip and sorry for misunderstanding. I commented on this when I was about to sleep not thinking straight. I'm so tired of work but this doesn't mean I should comment without understanding the clip. Sorry guys😅
@@myrtlekenazjanairo9411 Don't delete your original comment. Your comment will serve other impatient ones as a note to not comment w/o watching/listening first.
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Having worked in media production in the past, this is not a surprise. “Waiting on deliverables from third party” is a thing and messes with everyone’s schedules.
even as a developer, I understood this pain like for example in my case, waiting for documentation like FSD, TSD, etc to be out from the client side so I can actually understand what kind of app that my client wants or something along those lines.
Having to wait on them just makes my day so boring. Because I have to wait for 2 separate third parties, I literally spent all day today just cleaning up my department (And playing Pokemon don't tell my boss)
Logistics, the eternal nightmare.
and then they all get back to you at the same time
yeah people not getting that 3rd parties are usually what kills a project rather than cover most of the time. When it's covers screw up it tends to lead to delays not canceling.
Deadlines like what Irys is talking about are often abundant, so yeah, it not being Cover's fault makes sense. For example, some of our old washing machines here where I work, which is a laundromat, were leaking and needed new plumbing done. We also had gotten two new machines, which needed to be hooked up at the same time, so we had to wait for those to be delivered first. And then, even after those were delivered and hooked up, someone from the plumbers reused parts from the older hoses we had instead of new ones, and we had them spraying water everywhere, so we had to hold off on letting people use the older machines (even though the new ones were fine).
Stuff like that sucks, but there's really not much you can do if something goes wrong and delays the work :( just hope everything works out for our nephilim!
This isn't even a corpo thing. This is inevitable working with companies, or really just people, on any kind of large project. Ever work on a group project in school and have to wait for someone to get their part done? Now imagine there's a hundred people involved.
@@realNoMee Construction work is an exceptional example of that.
At least in companies people are being paid so they make literally any effort to get their stuff turned in on time and done correctly-- OH WAIT HAHAHAHA
Hopefully Cover has motivated people who do in fact do their best, but in a lot of companies it's just.... yeah....
Reminder that the talents decide how much work they take in. Matsuri literally said she doesnt do any studio work because she wants to be lazy all day. Subaru literally told her manager it was an OFF YEAR for her so she didnt do studio time as much.
I think the concern is talents not feeling comfortable saying no or managers pressuring them to do more work. But hopefully the senpais are taking care of their kouhais and teaching them to say no to management.
Most of them also have day jobs.
I didn't usually follow Holomems as close before but this week I've seen the girls pretty busy with studio work. Zeta, Kiara, Bae and all talking about spending a lot of time there on Twitter. I wonder if this is usual, if the start of the year has a heavier workload or what. I just hope they don't burnout!
@@ED-yy4te Not in Hololive. The boys maybe, other corpos frequently, but not Hololive.
@@ZanesZygot It's building up to Fes. Everything is busy.
Working as a software developer, this happens all the time. You have multiple things to do, but scheduled in a pretty chill way so that you don't have to do too many things at once. But then task 1 gets delayed due to delivery issue from other companies, and suddenly the stuff I have to do for task 1 and task 2 overlap in timing when they originally didn't.
what she says "its not covers fault"
what doomers hear " its (static noise) covers fault"
A certain fan base is going to come after you because you didn't validate their oshi
In a company there's a lot involved
But the "Disagreement with management", siunding so direct and passive agressive raises suapicions
But we still don't know what's going on anyways, there literally could be just 1 single person causing issues while everything else is perfectly fine
The word IRyS is looking for is "outsourcing". Projects live and die by it. SUPER convenient and excellent use of one's network, knowing a guy-a specialist, hopefully-for each facet of the project. But each guy has their own projects to deal with, and no one really knows how tight everyone else's schedule is surrounding their contributions. Someone might be working on only that thing, others might cram their part into the next 24h because they already agreed to 2 other projects starting immediately after. God forbid you need them to revise something later.
Ever heard a Holomem "wonder if someone in-house" can do something or has a certain skill when brainstorming projects? That's to avoid outsourcing when possible.
And this work crunch, when you depend on the work of third parties to get through your own slice of action, is why time and resource _buffers_ are so important. You gotta give yourself extra breathing room because no matter what, SOMEONE is gonna drop the ball and tighten that belt.
Anyone that's ever dealt with administration knows what I mean and what she is going through.
yeah having worked with multi department and the hurry up and wait watching your lead time vanish. I feel for the BTS staff that are likely having to crunch constantly to finish their part on a project while loosing time on the next one do to delays. This isn't even touching on multi talent project where you have even more individual parts that need to be done at various points.
There's never a big enough buffer when you're running multiple projects and not just one. Sooner or later you're gonna have the worst delays that just make your schedule hell.
@@homiga1 Again, it's much better to have ones that MAY be insufficient over having none at all.
Waiting for the 3rd parties works to be done until you can actually start working on the project yourself is pain in the ass.
I can see why COVER start to do everything in-house nowaday.
I like hearing details like this and appreciate how hard it can be to not overstep on sharing. It’s just nice to get some info on how stuff goes on. Sometimes work sucks and there’s a crunch-it is what it is.
Im sure the bilingual talents also have more work because they have more options
Thank you clipper, very informative and direct. 😊
The talents can decisde how much works they take, so most likely either Irys didn't think too much when she took all the jobs, or after she took the jobs, the scheduling just become too cramped
I mean she literally said in the video, step 1 of something gets delayed due to outside reasons, and then suddenly things get cramped together b/c of rescheduling
@@SacredFaerie yeah, these things happen, imagine if you're making a 3D live, and you need a new 3D costume, but the artist didn't deliver the design in time, and then everything will be delayed
They decide how much work they take but also it's not their fault when things gets delay and then the time gets mix with other projects and they have to do it all at the same time. This is classic in an entertaining company, the problems most of the time are never on the company or the talent, it's always external problems
Like yeah that's understandable.
If you have a huge project that relies on 3rd parties doing their part inorder for you to do your part one small delay can cascade to multiple delays. Especially when it comes to logistics.
Planning for those delays in advance and inserting mitigation measures for them in the plan is the key difference between a good administrator and a kid with a clipboard.
@@GoodOleDFTYou're acting as if they're only running a single project at a time. If you have a real multi-project calendar then no matter how well you schedule things and how much buffer you add sooner or later you're gonna have overlaps from the most random delays.
@@homiga1 Indeed, there are times where they aren't enough, but it's MUCH worse when you don't have any from the start.
Theres a lot of moving parts in entertainment and snarls can occur anywhere and any time along the production line
Basically it's the old adage of "feast and famine". That's just a universal constant when it comes to jobs.
That Holo grid is something else
For the love of god watch the clip first before making up stuff in the comments.
I like this open yapping easily for us to understand
stomp that foot, IRyS.
Gently though
harder
on me.
I mean this is common for most line of work
I work on construction design that tackle a specific system but you just can't make your work without the corresponding outputs from other trades or specialist
for example if you work for electrical system you can't make the design without the plan layout (from Civil and architectures) and loads you need to supply power to (mechanical and electronics) and if even one of those has changes or delays it will become a domino that will affect the whole project
you may say 'just extend the deadline' but that's easier said than done, shit will cost money, resources and manpower
Everybody involved in the projects also have their own schedules, and it's gonna be full if they're in high demand. So any single person delaying their part of work can easily cause more and more delay down the line.
I literally think of the "Why is it not possible" patrick bateman meme as soon as she says that she wish there's a magical person that can do all the things but that's just not possible
yeah, obviously the best thing would be to be able to do everything yourself
obviously impossible
next best would be to have one other guy you can rely on
for bigger projects, thats also not gonna cut it
and soon you have to add more and more cogs to the machine and when one of them jams...
You know the company is good when the talents defend it. Bad schedualing is something I can relate to, I thought my first aid was due month.... it not, it's THIS month. Line manager is being a pain about it.
There is something what people just dont get.
No matter what the truth may be to some it wouldn't matter.
You don't need to convince anti's, doom posters, trolls etc.
Those types exist to just spread misinformation, lies, rumours, hate.
For what? Fun,clout or simply without thought.
The best is just to
ignore them,
report them,
block them.
If they cross the line? Sue them.
Don't feed them what they seek.
Yeah, I feel they're trying to make it clear how things work as much as they can because of how wild theories became from last year's graduations, but people will try to read between the lines and keep making assumptions anyway.
@@ZanesZygot yeah, you cant convince true antis, but there are also enough people who simply dont know any better and need these thigs literally spelt out that its worth it to explain.
It's understandable, this is like if you are working with a firm and you are stuck between the government & your client, you need to submit this form to the government by this date but your client still haven't give you the needed documents until the last second and when you are late you get blasted by both parties
My job is at the "Get it done" end of a very long train of planning and logistics. So I usually don't have to deal with 3rd party issues because that's done at the planning level. But even so I'm occasionally dealing with all sorts of issues from within my own company and it FEELS like I'm dealing with a 3rd party 😂
Oh uh, here we go again...
yay project management/perms/delay/etc issues...
The fact the girls have to clarify this isn't their company's fault every damn time thanks to how badly Nijisanji fumbled is forever a pain in the ass. Let them be. Please. Even flesh streamers who have managers have once or twice commented what is like to have schedule issues, this is also so fucking normal in everyone's work, anyone who doesn't understand this has never worked in a high pressure industry.
I can see why some talents can get stressed...so much behind the scenes going on. Im mean at this point Holo is literally a movie production company with how much stuff their working on. And the holomems are like celebrites lol...especially Sei-chan and her comcrts and appearancrs shes been doing. Crazy how far yhe company has come. Still wondering what theyre cooking up eith the unreal engine stuff in the future, im sure they want the top of the line models so theyre probs looking lots of ppl with dev experience.
Yeah, delays happens all the time when your work involves more than 1 person 😂
Waiting for 3rd parties is so annoying...
and then some single cell things wont believe it because Cover is corpo
well clearly manager need to remind them every single day to stress them out so the manager is lazy. /s
Literally a couple comments below this one (with more to come)
The talents are also known for procrastinating, so...
People commented before me saying that "This is common for a big company," but I have to remind you, this is IRyS who is saying she wants less studio time, more streaming time, who debuted as someone that should be doing more studio time and less studio time, which makes the context imply that they are pushing way too much studio time on people. Similarly, if the talent has to say no as vociferously as talents seem to be having to, it implies that there is a change of focus towards studio time to a point that they don't like. Either way, as long as it is the choice of the talent and their health and will is respected then I don't see a problem with it, although cover might want to take a step back and realize Hololive is for vtubers, not idols and those are different things, because it might harm them to push them into an idol role.
step 1 is proposal which is yeah...
They should just cut off their contract with third parties that are slow.
confirmation that streaming is becoming a secondary activity for Hololive. They should make a streaming/gaming branch. I don't have issues with Holo turning more towards idol activities, but I started watching Hololive because of the streams and I am not much into idol culture.
From what she's saying this sounds ok. Just normal busy time and scheduling hiccups, and she and the other girls are getting more comfortable with speaking up if it gets too much.
Desert and reward seldom keep company.
So, technically, schedule logistics?
Idk and also my bad for saying this.
Everyone here involved should fix scheduling.
If something is waiting, it should be put on the back of the queue or something.
(especially if you are already working on something)
Because this current process will disrupt time, and money, of everyone
I mean it just happens in every other work and every other thing that involves a lot of people. It's like traffic, all it takes is a lil bit of slow down and it dominoes into a jam. Sure, the company and talents should try to improve some points that causes these issues but I think fans should also do their part and just not jump to conclusions and assumptions, concerns like that do more harm than good coz that's just another stress that the talents have to carry.
@@DefinitelyNotaHertaPuppet okay, but idk why are you telling me that.
Cause
1.) I mostly different from most people.
2.) I'm only giving opinions.
3.) I don't doom post, or in particular some of my comments or posts, should be taken in the context I provided them.
*If there is anything I forgot, I'll just write it later
And also I don't speak for everyone else.
@@kissena3830 because your suggestion simply doesnt work.
what irys is talking about is projects that involve a lot of independent contractors. all it takes is literally just one of them becoming sick, unable to work for a week, to delay the whole project.
then, suddenly, instead of having a week off between your own work on this project and another project, you have two weeks of work back to back.
and they work on a lot of projects in parallel, sometimes they are in the works for about a year.
nothing about that can be "fixed", you can only hope to have enough room to work on multiple projects and get the delayed ones back on track.
@srkares it can work, why did they try it? Also
1.) Some of my suggestions did work.
2.) It is called an opinion suggestions. So yes not all of them will work. But they should try if they want the best for their talents and company. (It doesn't need to be my suggestions).
3.) This or your kind of thinking is like underestimating if people gone through the same experience.
4.) Asian people are mostly traditional in their work culture, that's why most of their working culture doesn't change. Which they should, if they don't want to decline.
5.) If they have multiple independent contractors. It much better if they build a much better relationship and decreasing what is not needed. (Especially if a company changes a lot of IC everytime)
@srkares you don't need to fix everything you just fix something.
Your thinking is kind of bad.
Because some people or companies or freelancers can fix or somewhat fix these problems.
grad?
'You can always say no.' 'You can leave whenever you want.' How much emotional pressure is put on them to take on the work though? 'Your'e too busy? But everyone was really looking forward to this project! X and Y have already done their parts.'
I do not trust Japanese corpo culture to not take advantage of people.
I guess you also don’t trust the talents on their words that they’re fine or their ability to take care of themselves. They’re grown ass strong willed women who deal with dumbasses online daily. They’ll be fine.
this has absolutely 0 to do with how these projects work.
if you agree to participate, you participate. you decide in advance if you want to participate, so all the stuff you were writing does not apply.
also you have literally dozens of talents that already talked in the past about taking on less projects to not stress themselves out too much, that they themselves decided to take on more and more before, because _they_ wanted to work on these projects.
this is something that always happens with them in their 2nd and sometimes 3rd year, because they are really excited about all the possibilities open to them, but they all eventually learn to slow it down.
It's a hint to why some talents decides to graduate. Some have a family, some have VA obligations outside of hololive, some are just not interested in becoming an vitural idol when they are already an idol irl. This corpo vision of turning them into an idol group to cater to stockholders ... isn't what the talents signed up for.
What the hell are you smoking, Yagoo was going around saying it's a company of virtual idols since the early gens. If someone went in expecting to just do chill every day streaming they screwed up but have nobody but themselves to blame
so the "hint" as to why decide to graduate is reasons that anyone would have to quit any job? family matters, another work/ hobby-turned-work or losing interest in the job? fascinating. thank you for your gracious insight.
wait, also what is that insane leap from "corpo vision of idol group" to "cater to stockholders" when hololive already stated they were an idol group far before they went public.
also as far as im aware, stockholders dont give a damn about what the company does, only that it makes them money, as evidenced by several instances of investors asking if they have to pay the talents so mcuh and yagoo telling them to F off, in essence, so not sure how that fits together either.
do you people even spend 5 seconds thinking about what you write down?
take your model and leave COVER, let the capitalists pay dearly
"comes at inconvenient time"
"unlucky scheduling"
sounds like bad management to me 🤔
IRys mentioned work being done by outside companies, which often holds things up.
I can't speak for COVER, but where I work we've currently got an order for 100 machines to be built and ready for shipment by April. Okay, cool. Except, the number of machines was doubled on us and then we get a call from a supplier saying that a cellular modem we use will have its shipment delayed by 15 weeks.
Our management had initially planned things out in a reasonable time frame and was getting everything we needed shipped in, but due to circumstances beyond their control, things are now very tight and they aren't able to negotiate more time to work on the order.
It's easy to blame management from the outside, management does make mistakes and should be held accountable, but things rarely ever go to schedule in the real world and it isn't always due to maliciousness or incompetence.
You never worked huh
did you even actually watch the damn clip? she said its due to third parties.
@@residentevilman64 yep, your management is good, really good if I take your word for it. but it's sounds like the other side ain't .
thank for your input 👍
Kinda funny that people immediately assume it "cover corp" that has bad management (I only said it in a general sense).
well I can't blame you people knowing the recent events.
also, defending a million dollar company (not the talent) is a concept I don't understand.
This is what made Aqua, Fauna, and Chloe made them leave. You can't stream and chill. When I was at management in the past, schedules were so toxic that there were so many deadlines and sleep is almost non existent. Destroyed my health and for 2 years I gave up. Rush work isn't my style and can't barely keep up.
L takes.
Did you actually watched the clip?
Oh look someone who comments without actually watching it. THE TALENTS DECIDE HOW MUCH WORK THEY DO. Chloes reason is her health is getting too bad. BOTH Fauna and Aqua literally said they don't regret the idol path THEY CHOSE to take. You're literally wrong on all points. Management my ass.
nijikeks and phasekeks at it again trying to make drama where it doesnt exist because holo lives rent free in their head
Yeah I didnt watch the clip and sorry for misunderstanding. I commented on this when I was about to sleep not thinking straight. I'm so tired of work but this doesn't mean I should comment without understanding the clip. Sorry guys😅
@@myrtlekenazjanairo9411 Don't delete your original comment. Your comment will serve other impatient ones as a note to not comment w/o watching/listening first.
Its their fault