CORRECTION: 120fps capture CAN be done in OBS HDFURY UPDATE: It turns out that, at least currently, the VRROOM can NOT scale VRR in the device, despite being advertised as such. Disabling VRR seems to get a stable 4K120 - 1080p120 signal for me, but I haven't tested thoroughly. The "Key Features" marketing suggests very much that it can and this was a BIG motivator behind me getting the device, so this is very disappointing - but they might be able to get it working in a future firmware update.
To be fair, they've had language on the product page saying that VRR downscaling was a TBD feature since at least December of last year according to Way Back Machine. I was going to purchase earlier this year until I saw that.
wow, 2 frames of lag is pretty damn impressive for a USB device- nice work Elgato! That's on par with my measurements for the Datapath E1s when set to unbuffered mode. Thanks EposVox for consistently great coverage of new streaming tech!
Can you make a video talking about why capture cards don't just.. work perfectly? Something explaining why we can't just have VRR, whatever framerates we want at whatever resolution, and why it is taking so long to see seemingly minor improvements every few years? To me and I assume others it is frustrating getting all these limitations and weird workarounds just to send a video signal. Again I don't have much knowledge in this arena that is why I would love a video explaining why things are so slow and limited.
Largely because the bandwidths involved are too fast to generically capture and encode at a signal rate close enough to the raw signal to not get degradation. So specialised hardware needs to be created to capture and encode, and making custom chips / FPGA is an expensive and complicated market, for a relatively niche product.
@@CrisURace Everyone is different. Depends on your set-up, there are many factors that come into account. Practically speaking however it's ~17-25% additional input lag compared to no-sync. Imagine it like a max pre-rendered frames 2 in a sense.
This card is pretty impressive with VRR, high refresh rate passtrough and low latency preview all in in an external formfactor over standard usb 3. For me however the biggest worry is wether it can passtrough multichannel audio or not. This is kind of a dealbreaker of u play shooters with a surround headset like me and is a problem i currently have with my hd60s. If it does support this feature than this card is basicly a cheaper Avermedia live gamer bolt but if not, than the bolt is still superior albeit at a much higher pricepoint.
I've been using for two days this HD60 X with a GBS-Control (DIY retro scaler). This thing is AMAZING, it is even compatible with the out of spec signal of my modded Super Nintendo running at 59,550hz. Awesome!! My only complaint is the crackling sound while capturing, ONLY while capturing, the final recording is perfect. Let's see if a can fix it... Best channel about this kind of devices, thank you so much.
I just returned my Razer Ripsaw HD (with a day to spare before the return window was up, no less) just so I can order the HD60 X! I just hope it plays nicely with LG OLED TVs.
@@ArashiKageTaro Fwiw, I’m using an LG CX and there have been no issues so far as far as the tv goes. In case you are interested, I made an OSSC video with Sega Genesis th-cam.com/video/cun-nTxiHZI/w-d-xo.html
I "fixed" the issue of no VRR and max 144Hz instead of 240Hz for me (on the gaming monitor) while capturing. I connected the gaming PC to a second 1440p monitor, but this is 60Hz, and I put OBS there with a fullscreen preview of the game capture, then capture that monitor with the capture card on the streaming PC (I use the Elgato 4K60 Pro Mk. 2). In some games even in fullscreen mode, the mouse goes to the second monitor, but Dual Monitor Tool fixed it it seems (I just hold the right Ctrl to let me move my mouse cursor to the second monitor when I need that). Doing it this way is not as clean a setup as I wanted, but it works for what I play. I haven't noticed a performance hit doing this, and VRR works as if I was using a single PC for streaming and recording.
31ms is very playable as a way to play console through PC. Used to play my PS4pro though a ~60ms capture card and apart from the most action intensive games it was already fast enough. 30m s will be good for all but competitive shooters, fighting games and rhythm games.
Why there's only one ancient display port capture card...? I wish you test again Datapath Vision SC -2 in 2022 & give a opinion with modern day perspective.
You can use FreeSync with an Nvidia GPU and VRR capture with the HD60 X, but it requires a laptop with an Nvidia GPU and AMD CPU with integrated Radeon graphics. On most laptops, the iGPU passes through the dGPU output and it is what interfaces directly with the monitor. One of my laptops has an RTX 3050 and AMD iGPU. It works just fine with my Dell FreeSync monitor since the iGPU handles the VRR handshake, not the Nvidia GPU. Even using Nvidia's own G-Sync demos, like the pendulum, the VRR works flawless. My older laptop, with Intel CPU and 1660 Ti GPU, won't do VRR on anything. I captured some VRR gameplay last night and it seemed to work fine. Elgato's capture utility reported the source framerate changing correctly and the captured video looked tear-free as well. It's a very specific solution to the problem, probably too niche for most, but I've been using it to great effect for the past year.
Does the HD60X support Gsync right now? It says so on their website but I need your input on this - Can I use the HD60X for dual PC setup using HDMI passthrough while having Gsync on?
Unfortunately, I have a lot of problem with hd 60 x, I tried a lot of things but I have sluttering/minifreezes in preview with OBS, SLOBS, 4k Capture utility, I contacted the support but at the moment no solution. I used my pc computer and a laptop to test nintendo switch but nothing, all setup is ok. (I tried too with laptop at 1080p/1140p 60FPS without luck) Where the least happens to me is in virtual dub 2, but after 5-8mins starts freezes making uncomfortable to play games sadly. My only purpose is play in preview, no record or streamming.
Im happy to see that i can play in 4K60 HDR now and stream the same time on FullHD60 for the stream. But they could do more 😭 My dream capture card is this: - 4K120 HDR VRR pass trough - 4K60 HDR recording - Integrated switch so you can plug in your PC, PS5 and Nintendo Switch at the same time without the need of switching cables aaaaaall the time - More outputs (switchable) so i can put it into my pc when i want to stream and play on my monitor and one plug into my tv whenever i play on the sofa off stream. So i dont have to switch cables here aswell THIS would be the ultimate capture card for me. Bring this and charge me what you want. Would solve all the problems i have right now..
I got myself the HD60X and what can I say? As far as I am concerned, you can play in OBS without an issue. That being said, I am a casual player, definitely nowhere near competitive gaming. I do not own a gaming display, let alone a 120hz or 240hz monster. So take my comment with a grain of salt. Still… to me, this card is pretty much perfect, even If I don’t use pass through. The difference in delay is there, but it’s negligible to me.
Great review as always on this. Looks like an all around great USB capture option though. I hope Aver media comes out with a proper 2.1 VRR solution this year.
Your older rig that was mentioned to be trashing your recordings, is exactly what's happening to mine -- With FX 8350 and 1060 (6GB Version). It's a shame, because it was fine way before NDI became a thing, even before upgrading from the 6300 to a 8350. Overclocked everything performance wise. The stuttering, even though OBS was not showing any dropped frames or any kind of lag at all, my Elgato Capture Cards just can't handle the outdated rig anymore. Perhaps it had to do with updates from Microsoft, or Elgato themselves. Who knows, but I have no future, for now, to upgrade my streaming/recording system to something more modern. I'm also not looking forward to bring my setup down to a Single PC either. :( Another thing, NDI recently is becoming less and less reliable with either the OBS Plugin or it's own. Same stuttering problems there, and confusing games to go back and forth from 60hz to 144hz all day long, no matter the game. I reinstalled my OS, but that didn't help much. :( Oh well. You're not the only one with such a curse. Lol
Unfortunately the NDI plugin seems to have been abandoned. It still uses an older version of NDI (it uses v4 but we’re on v5 and it’s amazing) and doesn’t support the great compressed NDI HX modes or anything :( I’d recommend installing the new NDI Tools from Newtek’s website and using the Screen Capture tool to send your desktop over NDI to OBS on second PC. Will probably work better for you.
@@EposVox NDI HX seems to be bit buggy. The audio in recordings skip when I check the clip, not quite sure what's up with that. But like the OBS Plugin for NDI (v4) and capturing from capture cards, games don't seem to know what to do with refresh rates -- bouncing from 60 to 144hz. I'm still getting the same kind of stuttering, but less often. Even less stutter when I bring down the refresh rate to 120hz, but.. it feels like an arm and a leg chopping down my refresh rate to even get any smoothness in my recordings. It's probably best that I make do with what I got. The stuttering isn't that extreme anymore, but I wish it would just stop coming back.
I just got a VRROOM delivered a couple days ago, really hoping it'll allow me to use my displays to their almost full potential (still waiting on HDR for cloned displays in Windows) while still capturing 4K60 in my steaming PC.
I honestly hope this capture card doesn’t stutter with the next gen console’s cause the 4k60 pro mk2 started doing that after a while and it only happens with next gen
Thanks for video. Bought this card. Have a question is your secret sauce video is actual now? If yes, will it work with “very fast” or there is no reason. Also when I set color range l realise I dont know what to do with “buffering” parameter. Is it ok to disable it?
@@EposVox thanks for answer. Unfortunately my notebook has only Nvidia 940mx so that is not option for me right now. However I’m thinking about steam deck as a streaming pc, maybe it will handle “Medium” and secret sauce. So secret sauce is still works, am I right?
@@EposVox em i missing something the only way im able to accomplish 144fps is to have Streamlabs open on both my gaming and streaming pc and send a full screen projection to my stream pc. Duplicating displays caps me at 120fps
Thank you for your grateful review. Could you please tell me about "31 ms latency"? This means 2 frame lag , but I got 3 frame lag on my OBS & HD60 X. So I hope that your PC environment and OBS settings when you got 31ms.
if this card can do 4k120 passthrough with vrr and 1080p capture -- its perfect for linux users. VRR is enabled out of the box in KDE wayland (pretty sure it is for gnome too) Now you have me curious about this one. Considering I have a 4k 144hz monitor and several amd cards to try I may give this capture device a try
Awesome video!! I ordered the HD60X the moment it was announced (I have cutting edge tech FOMO, haha!). I'm a huge retro gamer and I'm excited that it's super compatible with retro gaming and can work with both the OSSC's and RetroTink's super duper resolutions! I'm stoked to see how it performs when paired up with the RetroTink 5X-Pro as well!!
I'm confused here, you say you can't use VRR on Nvidia cards because it doesn't support G-Sync just Freesync/VESA VRR, but haven't Nvidia cards supported Freesync/VESA VRR for years now? I thought they renamed the original G-Sync to G-Sync Ultimate and started supporting Freesync/VESA VRR but refer to it as G-Sync (to be extra confusing lol).
Great video man. I just got a Avermedia Live Gamer Ultra a few days ago for $150. Would you say it’s worth returning it in exchange for this new Elgato card?
i have elgado hd60s+ and had a lot or problems with bandwidth, only way i have have it working on my macbook is using tb3 cable straight usbc-usbc that end it black screens and errors
Hi there , can you please have my one request. Can you please make a video testing elgato HD X using ipad 2021 pro 5 generation (with M1) CHIP. You will get a lot of views , you can check on apple and elgato forms or reddit forms people are searching all over but they can’t find a capture card that is compatible with ipad pro 2021 M1 chip. Things required for this video are - 1. Ipad pro 2021 2. Elgato HD X 3. 4k capture utility software (from elgato site). 4. Type c to hdmi apple adapter that’s all please make a video about this
When this is all set up with an xbox series x . Will you notice a lag on the screen whilst playing ? As I play competitive FPS games and then smallest delay is a big problem …?
Can the input lag be reduced if you don't use the pass through and reduce the resolution, I'm wondering if I can use this on my imac and use it as a monitor?
Hey epos, could you tone down on the bloom a little bit? Your content quality is insane to be pushed down with that neon/bloom/glow effect. I can't watch the recent videos because this effect makes things just so hard to focus on and I feel like I have astigmatism. It's really not good in terms of accessibility I know it's a theme of the channel, outrun, synthwave neon stuff but I think it's not being very effective in this case. And you already have a lot of very good effects to pass the feeling of old school stuff. Where this isn't that much needed and doesn't add a lot. Thanks man, thank you for taking your time to make these contents, I know it's hard work.
Just bought this yesterday! and having a problem with HD60x showing as black screen for Mac M1 Pro in OBS using PS5, tried to disable HDCP off and turned on the screen record in privacy & security. Not sure whats the issue.
Can you do a review of a digitnow pcie 4k capture card?? really wondering what you think, since its a 4k pcie card thats only like 130 vs an avermedia or elgato thats 200
What's the best way to capture a PC, whilst also passing through and allowing Gsync, 144hz and 1440p resolution? I'm assuming a 4k capture card like the internal Elgato one, and duplicating my main display onto it?
@@EposVox Thanks for the reply! Do you think we'll see a capture card capable of something like this on the horizon? I don't like the idea of having OBS open to suck up resources, but I understand that this is a necessity for this scenario.
I have Windows 11 and a GTX 1660 Super and I have the same issue where every time I set the resolution to 1440p then the refresh rate to 120 hz it drops to 1080p. Have you found a fix for that yet? I'm debating on returning it.
Thanks for the detail review on this. I just ordered mine today to replace the HD 60S+ on my stream pc. Looking forward to using it. I actually use a 4k 60pro in the game pc so I can output my consoles to it and use OBS on my game PC when playing consoles. Complicated setup, but I love how it works.
If I set my Xbox Series X to 1440p and 120Hz with this capture card set to 1440p 60hz for recording on a M1 MacBook Pro. Should I use a USB-C to USB-A dongle or get a USB-C to USB-C cable and connect it directly? Any other tips for this setup to work good?
Anyone know the HD60 X wont allow me to play on 1440p 120 hz on my Xbox series x. Only maxes out on 1080p 120hz. I always play 1440 120 but once plugged into my elgato, it doesn’t work. Please help.
two pc stream setup here... here are my problems with GSYNC. P1:since there is no gsync compatible capture card atm, i need to duplicate(through display cloning in windows) my 120hz gsync signal to a 120hz hdmi out and capture that output instead. P2: Since i ve hd60 pro only, and its max acepted refreshrate is 60, i need to set both displayport (gysnc) and HDMI(recording) outputs to 60hz. And even that does not solve the issues.. P3: Because gsync to be active, requires your "fps" to stay just beneath the max display refresh rate. . So when my gpu gives 59-60 fps , gsync treats it as a non gysnc signal, and when fps drops to 57(just 2 two frames below max refreshrate) gysnc activates, and when framerate goes back to 59-60 fps, gsync gets inactive and this switching of gysnc-on/off does not yield smooth results. Now, the solution looks like i need a 120hz capture card and this capture card looks like a temporary solution until proper gysnc capturing cards(on which they have display port input and out ports) arrive
Okay so I have a ps5 playing 120 frames and the new hd 60x I’m using an older lab top Ge Force GTX 1050 TI with i5 processor is there specific setting I need to run for it to work right now my stream is all choppy and laggy.
I have Asus Rog strix g17 with 4th gen ryzen 7 and nivida 4gb rtx 3050 and usb 3.0 will elgato hd60 x will. Work with my laptop for streaming capture card captures my xbox series x gameplay
All of elgato capture cards give me micro stutters or screen tear. Is this the card to fix all that? I tried all the troubleshooting from elgato and nothing. Currently using avermedia GC573 that works better than elgato but I want something better. I just want to record smooth gameplay 1080 60fp for ps5 for xbox series x
So I don't want to record or stream but I want it so I can have and use my audio and screen setup from my pc so if I hook a console up to the capture card and into my pc is there any way to view it in real time and play from that just as if I was playing it normally?
Hi, i have 4K60 Pro and it's really awful. Quality creates slow stuttering and cutting the audio. I got one years ago and still has an issue. I think it's because of heating from graphic card below it that causes to inhale inside the heat (similar to 2:39). I don't know. But i've been thinking to get this one and hopefully wouldn't have a mess like this one. I don't have HDR on in game and my monitor supports both FreeSync and GSync with 144Hz and HDR (Dell Q3223Q). Both are turned off because i don't care for extra saturations feature. Did you come accross to any issue with this? I didn't on Elgato Game Capture HD that i used for years till i got in 2018 4K60 Pro. Still to this day that doesn't work right, even with updated RTX 2080Ti.
Update:This capture card doesnt come ready to use off the box. I experienced audio crackling on 2 hd60x cards, image issues and stuttering. Also my image froze and I had to keep messing with the cables in order for it to work. I suggest you skip it and wait until someone else puts out a better product
Hello, can you compare this to the Asus CU4K30, they seem to have a lot of similar features and similar prices or please let me know which is better I’m in the market for a capture card I can play 1080 120fps on my ps5 please
@@EposVox so in summary, the Elgato is better? I mean the reason I’m still considering the Asus is because of the controller and headphone support I don’t know if that’s an edge over the Elgato or it’s still the same thing but I have trouble linking my PC audio (like music, stream alerts) and my console audio to my headphones so I could hear everything
I’ve a question and idk where to ask for help, I have the best settings for streaming and recording and I can only get 720p from it, also the colors look a little bit washed out and I’ve done everything to fix it, it’s better quality if I record the display straight from obs, I need help because it was not plug and play!
Are you able to do audio extraction/pass through from console to pc with low or non-existent delay? I’ve been waiting for hdmi 2.1 audio extractors so I can get the full suite of features with my Series X, but It’d be amazing if I could do that and also have the recording functionality that the hd60x offers as well.
Upon watching your video I stumbled with the same issue of not being able to Passthrough 1440p 120z on my new Dell AW3423DW. I am using my Xbox Series S with a Mac Studio. Do you know of any solution to this problem?
@@EposVox thank you for the quick response. However I am not able to download the 4k capture utility app, since I am a Mac user. Do you know any other method perhaps?
Does anyone know why I can’t put my series X to 4K 60hz using this? I have a 144 hz 4K monitor and my ps5 works fine with this in 4K but the Xbox goes right to 1080 when I put 4K on. Makes no sense
Try setting it manually to 60hz first. It’s probably trying to hit 120hz instead and can’t do that at 4K. May need to manually set the display EDID in the 4K Capture Utility app to 4k60 too
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CORRECTION: 120fps capture CAN be done in OBS
HDFURY UPDATE: It turns out that, at least currently, the VRROOM can NOT scale VRR in the device, despite being advertised as such. Disabling VRR seems to get a stable 4K120 - 1080p120 signal for me, but I haven't tested thoroughly. The "Key Features" marketing suggests very much that it can and this was a BIG motivator behind me getting the device, so this is very disappointing - but they might be able to get it working in a future firmware update.
To be fair, they've had language on the product page saying that VRR downscaling was a TBD feature since at least December of last year according to Way Back Machine. I was going to purchase earlier this year until I saw that.
Well my order was already placed by then lol
You actually can do 120fps in obs? How? Google has failed me 😅
Did you ever get any feedback from HDFURY team on this update eta?
any update?
wow, 2 frames of lag is pretty damn impressive for a USB device- nice work Elgato! That's on par with my measurements for the Datapath E1s when set to unbuffered mode.
Thanks EposVox for consistently great coverage of new streaming tech!
Thank you for including the monitoring latency in the video
The Retro Game Support Sold Me I'm buying one right now!
Can you make a video talking about why capture cards don't just.. work perfectly? Something explaining why we can't just have VRR, whatever framerates we want at whatever resolution, and why it is taking so long to see seemingly minor improvements every few years? To me and I assume others it is frustrating getting all these limitations and weird workarounds just to send a video signal. Again I don't have much knowledge in this arena that is why I would love a video explaining why things are so slow and limited.
Largely because the bandwidths involved are too fast to generically capture and encode at a signal rate close enough to the raw signal to not get degradation. So specialised hardware needs to be created to capture and encode, and making custom chips / FPGA is an expensive and complicated market, for a relatively niche product.
Absolutely amazing thumbnail!
Lmao a halo content creator. I’m here because I ordered mine for h2 OG tutorials lmao
Nvidia added some time ago 'fast vsync". It solved the tearing completely, while I run full fps on the stream pc. 👍
Still has some additional input delay. But yes, it's a good alternative if your hardware can run it.
@@griffin1366 I don't feel any delay. No fancy monitor here just older Asus 144hz. 🤷♀️
@@CrisURace Everyone is different. Depends on your set-up, there are many factors that come into account.
Practically speaking however it's ~17-25% additional input lag compared to no-sync. Imagine it like a max pre-rendered frames 2 in a sense.
I mentioned Nvidia Fast Sync - it doesn’t fix ir
@@EposVox for me it does fix it.
This card is pretty impressive with VRR, high refresh rate passtrough and low latency preview all in in an external formfactor over standard usb 3. For me however the biggest worry is wether it can passtrough multichannel audio or not. This is kind of a dealbreaker of u play shooters with a surround headset like me and is a problem i currently have with my hd60s. If it does support this feature than this card is basicly a cheaper Avermedia live gamer bolt but if not, than the bolt is still superior albeit at a much higher pricepoint.
I've been using for two days this HD60 X with a GBS-Control (DIY retro scaler). This thing is AMAZING, it is even compatible with the out of spec signal of my modded Super Nintendo running at 59,550hz. Awesome!! My only complaint is the crackling sound while capturing, ONLY while capturing, the final recording is perfect. Let's see if a can fix it... Best channel about this kind of devices, thank you so much.
Thank you for covering the support for OSSC resolutions. I ordered one of these immediately, can’t wait!!
I just returned my Razer Ripsaw HD (with a day to spare before the return window was up, no less) just so I can order the HD60 X! I just hope it plays nicely with LG OLED TVs.
@@ArashiKageTaro Fwiw, I’m using an LG CX and there have been no issues so far as far as the tv goes. In case you are interested, I made an OSSC video with Sega Genesis th-cam.com/video/cun-nTxiHZI/w-d-xo.html
I "fixed" the issue of no VRR and max 144Hz instead of 240Hz for me (on the gaming monitor) while capturing. I connected the gaming PC to a second 1440p monitor, but this is 60Hz, and I put OBS there with a fullscreen preview of the game capture, then capture that monitor with the capture card on the streaming PC (I use the Elgato 4K60 Pro Mk. 2). In some games even in fullscreen mode, the mouse goes to the second monitor, but Dual Monitor Tool fixed it it seems (I just hold the right Ctrl to let me move my mouse cursor to the second monitor when I need that).
Doing it this way is not as clean a setup as I wanted, but it works for what I play. I haven't noticed a performance hit doing this, and VRR works as if I was using a single PC for streaming and recording.
A 1440p60 device that works with the OSSC and Linux?! Ive been waiting for this moment for so long! This is the final piece of the puzzle!
Very happy to hear that this works well with the Retrotink, glad I waited for this one.
Please help to decide: Asus cu4k30 vs Elgato HD60 X ?
Video on your davinci export setting willl be highly appreciated.
31ms is very playable as a way to play console through PC. Used to play my PS4pro though a ~60ms capture card and apart from the most action intensive games it was already fast enough. 30m s will be good for all but competitive shooters, fighting games and rhythm games.
Why there's only one ancient display port capture card...? I wish you test again Datapath Vision SC -2 in 2022 & give a opinion with modern day perspective.
Good to know that if my HD60S gives up the ghost (3+ years still chugging along), Elgato has new options available.
Same thought I had. Mine's held up well for close to 5 years now, but you never know if anything could happen.
Like the dark Background 😁😁👍👍
You can use FreeSync with an Nvidia GPU and VRR capture with the HD60 X, but it requires a laptop with an Nvidia GPU and AMD CPU with integrated Radeon graphics. On most laptops, the iGPU passes through the dGPU output and it is what interfaces directly with the monitor. One of my laptops has an RTX 3050 and AMD iGPU. It works just fine with my Dell FreeSync monitor since the iGPU handles the VRR handshake, not the Nvidia GPU. Even using Nvidia's own G-Sync demos, like the pendulum, the VRR works flawless. My older laptop, with Intel CPU and 1660 Ti GPU, won't do VRR on anything.
I captured some VRR gameplay last night and it seemed to work fine. Elgato's capture utility reported the source framerate changing correctly and the captured video looked tear-free as well. It's a very specific solution to the problem, probably too niche for most, but I've been using it to great effect for the past year.
Does the HD60X support Gsync right now? It says so on their website but I need your input on this - Can I use the HD60X for dual PC setup using HDMI passthrough while having Gsync on?
Only if your monitor is HDMI 2.1 as stated here
@@EposVox Thanks! I have the LG Oled TV and I'll try it on that.
@@funkyblackcat Que surpresa! ahah O funky vendo o EposVox!
Elgato is released a newer version “4K X”. Could you do a comparison?
Unfortunately, I have a lot of problem with hd 60 x, I tried a lot of things but I have sluttering/minifreezes in preview with OBS, SLOBS, 4k Capture utility, I contacted the support but at the moment no solution. I used my pc computer and a laptop to test nintendo switch but nothing, all setup is ok. (I tried too with laptop at 1080p/1140p 60FPS without luck)
Where the least happens to me is in virtual dub 2, but after 5-8mins starts freezes making uncomfortable to play games sadly.
My only purpose is play in preview, no record or streamming.
Im happy to see that i can play in 4K60 HDR now and stream the same time on FullHD60 for the stream. But they could do more 😭
My dream capture card is this:
- 4K120 HDR VRR pass trough
- 4K60 HDR recording
- Integrated switch so you can plug in your PC, PS5 and Nintendo Switch at the same time without the need of switching cables aaaaaall the time
- More outputs (switchable) so i can put it into my pc when i want to stream and play on my monitor and one plug into my tv whenever i play on the sofa off stream. So i dont have to switch cables here aswell
THIS would be the ultimate capture card for me. Bring this and charge me what you want. Would solve all the problems i have right now..
You using a diffusion filter? Bit strong IMO, looks like the ol vaselene trick haha. Nice review though.
Right in time! 👍
Amazing review.
:D! I was just looking for a decent upgrade for my Capture card, thanks for the details as always
I got myself the HD60X and what can I say? As far as I am concerned, you can play in OBS without an issue. That being said, I am a casual player, definitely nowhere near competitive gaming. I do not own a gaming display, let alone a 120hz or 240hz monster. So take my comment with a grain of salt. Still… to me, this card is pretty much perfect, even If I don’t use pass through. The difference in delay is there, but it’s negligible to me.
Great review as always on this. Looks like an all around great USB capture option though. I hope Aver media comes out with a proper 2.1 VRR solution this year.
Your older rig that was mentioned to be trashing your recordings, is exactly what's happening to mine -- With FX 8350 and 1060 (6GB Version). It's a shame, because it was fine way before NDI became a thing, even before upgrading from the 6300 to a 8350. Overclocked everything performance wise. The stuttering, even though OBS was not showing any dropped frames or any kind of lag at all, my Elgato Capture Cards just can't handle the outdated rig anymore. Perhaps it had to do with updates from Microsoft, or Elgato themselves. Who knows, but I have no future, for now, to upgrade my streaming/recording system to something more modern. I'm also not looking forward to bring my setup down to a Single PC either. :( Another thing, NDI recently is becoming less and less reliable with either the OBS Plugin or it's own. Same stuttering problems there, and confusing games to go back and forth from 60hz to 144hz all day long, no matter the game. I reinstalled my OS, but that didn't help much. :( Oh well. You're not the only one with such a curse. Lol
Unfortunately the NDI plugin seems to have been abandoned. It still uses an older version of NDI (it uses v4 but we’re on v5 and it’s amazing) and doesn’t support the great compressed NDI HX modes or anything :(
I’d recommend installing the new NDI Tools from Newtek’s website and using the Screen Capture tool to send your desktop over NDI to OBS on second PC. Will probably work better for you.
@@EposVox NDI HX seems to be bit buggy. The audio in recordings skip when I check the clip, not quite sure what's up with that. But like the OBS Plugin for NDI (v4) and capturing from capture cards, games don't seem to know what to do with refresh rates -- bouncing from 60 to 144hz. I'm still getting the same kind of stuttering, but less often. Even less stutter when I bring down the refresh rate to 120hz, but.. it feels like an arm and a leg chopping down my refresh rate to even get any smoothness in my recordings. It's probably best that I make do with what I got. The stuttering isn't that extreme anymore, but I wish it would just stop coming back.
I don't notice any lag or input latency with my EVGA XR Lite and that capture card was only $45. Maybe I'm just not as sensitive to it.
Try testing side by side. Its definently a bit delay
I was waiting for this video. I wonder if they are going update the 4K60 pro 🤔?
Tbh I don't have an issue with tearing.. Barely noticeable, only in very specific titles it might be.
Is there any workaround to use an iPad Pro as a screen/ streaming device with any capture card ?
I just got a VRROOM delivered a couple days ago, really hoping it'll allow me to use my displays to their almost full potential (still waiting on HDR for cloned displays in Windows) while still capturing 4K60 in my steaming PC.
I honestly hope this capture card doesn’t stutter with the next gen console’s cause the 4k60 pro mk2 started doing that after a while and it only happens with next gen
Thanks for video. Bought this card. Have a question is your secret sauce video is actual now? If yes, will it work with “very fast” or there is no reason. Also when I set color range l realise I dont know what to do with “buffering” parameter. Is it ok to disable it?
Those x264 flags will do nothing productive for the VeryFast preset. If you can only do VeryFast (or even Fast) just use gpu encoding
@@EposVox thanks for answer. Unfortunately my notebook has only Nvidia 940mx so that is not option for me right now. However I’m thinking about steam deck as a streaming pc, maybe it will handle “Medium” and secret sauce. So secret sauce is still works, am I right?
Yeah. Don’t expect that much from a steam deck but worth a try I suppose
@@EposVox thank you for all your work.
@@EposVox also what about buffering option in Elgato hd60 x in properties in obs?
Would I be able to use my elgato wave 3 in a ps5 party chat as well as have it recorded in obs? Thanks for this video!
Great video E. I have been seeing a lot about UCEC captures devices on Amazon. I would like to see your take on them.
How does this card perform on USB 2.0?
Will latency be affected?
Will I still get 1080p 120Hz?
Will it even work at all?
We’ll i be able to play at 1440p 144hz
Yes
@@EposVox em i missing something the only way im able to accomplish 144fps is to have Streamlabs open on both my gaming and streaming pc and send a full screen projection to my stream pc. Duplicating displays caps me at 120fps
passthrough/capture at 1080p capture card or passthrough 1440p + capture 1080p. streaming quality different ?
Any update with nvidia cards
all I want is a card that supports dolby digital
Thank you for your grateful review. Could you please tell me about "31 ms latency"? This means 2 frame lag , but I got 3 frame lag on my OBS & HD60 X. So I hope that your PC environment and OBS settings when you got 31ms.
if this card can do 4k120 passthrough with vrr and 1080p capture -- its perfect for linux users. VRR is enabled out of the box in KDE wayland (pretty sure it is for gnome too)
Now you have me curious about this one. Considering I have a 4k 144hz monitor and several amd cards to try I may give this capture device a try
Does ir work wiyh nvidia card and freesync monitor with hdmi 2.0
How did you manage to get 1920x1440 working?
Awesome video!! I ordered the HD60X the moment it was announced (I have cutting edge tech FOMO, haha!). I'm a huge retro gamer and I'm excited that it's super compatible with retro gaming and can work with both the OSSC's and RetroTink's super duper resolutions! I'm stoked to see how it performs when paired up with the RetroTink 5X-Pro as well!!
Does the HD60 X capture 480p and 720p in XRGB?
Just ordered mine, I had the 4k60mk2 but I recently upgraded my pc with a 4090 and there's no room to slot the capture card lol
Ouch
@@EposVox yeah...that lads so freaking large lmao
I'm confused here, you say you can't use VRR on Nvidia cards because it doesn't support G-Sync just Freesync/VESA VRR, but haven't Nvidia cards supported Freesync/VESA VRR for years now? I thought they renamed the original G-Sync to G-Sync Ultimate and started supporting Freesync/VESA VRR but refer to it as G-Sync (to be extra confusing lol).
You can use GSync on FreeSync monitors through a forcing option they allowed - but you can't do it with capture cards here.
It works i make a video how you can do this
As for the external capture board, is this product the best product now? I'm surprised it has faster latency than gc573.
1440p on mac some how very blurry but when i turn it to windows pc is very sharp i have still not found the solution
Great video man. I just got a Avermedia Live Gamer Ultra a few days ago for $150. Would you say it’s worth returning it in exchange for this new Elgato card?
Ultra is still solid, so only really worth the money if you want freeSync support
@@EposVox Thanks man!
i have elgado hd60s+ and had a lot or problems with bandwidth, only way i have have it working on my macbook is using tb3 cable straight usbc-usbc that end it black screens and errors
Would you suggest this over the 4k60 pro MkII?
No
Hi there , can you please have my one request. Can you please make a video testing elgato HD X using ipad 2021 pro 5 generation (with M1) CHIP. You will get a lot of views , you can check on apple and elgato forms or reddit forms people are searching all over but they can’t find a capture card that is compatible with ipad pro 2021 M1 chip. Things required for this video are - 1. Ipad pro 2021 2. Elgato HD X 3. 4k capture utility software (from elgato site). 4. Type c to hdmi apple adapter that’s all please make a video about this
I don’t have a M1 iPad
When this is all set up with an xbox series x . Will you notice a lag on the screen whilst playing ? As I play competitive FPS games and then smallest delay is a big problem …?
No, passthrough is real-time
Can the input lag be reduced if you don't use the pass through and reduce the resolution, I'm wondering if I can use this on my imac and use it as a monitor?
@EposVox How does the latency compare to the AverMedia Bolt (GC555)? Do you have an updated latency chart, please?
Having issues not getting accurate colors all washed out. Any fixes? HDR is off. Using XSX.
is there any videos explaining anything here or does he just ramble box specs?
This video explains the things
can you do a tutorial an about stream in ultra wide 5120x1440p please 🙏
Hey epos, could you tone down on the bloom a little bit? Your content quality is insane to be pushed down with that neon/bloom/glow effect.
I can't watch the recent videos because this effect makes things just so hard to focus on and I feel like I have astigmatism. It's really not good in terms of accessibility
I know it's a theme of the channel, outrun, synthwave neon stuff but I think it's not being very effective in this case. And you already have a lot of very good effects to pass the feeling of old school stuff. Where this isn't that much needed and doesn't add a lot.
Thanks man, thank you for taking your time to make these contents, I know it's hard work.
Hi, is the errors on the Mac with the frame rate still a problem?
Just bought this yesterday! and having a problem with HD60x showing as black screen for Mac M1 Pro in OBS using PS5, tried to disable HDCP off and turned on the screen record in privacy & security.
Not sure whats the issue.
Can you do a review of a digitnow pcie 4k capture card?? really wondering what you think, since its a 4k pcie card thats only like 130 vs an avermedia or elgato thats 200
1:34 I have been looking all over for this game. Epos please tell me what is this game??
Crossfire X on Xbox
@@EposVox ah you’re amazing my man thank you!
What's the best way to capture a PC, whilst also passing through and allowing Gsync, 144hz and 1440p resolution?
I'm assuming a 4k capture card like the internal Elgato one, and duplicating my main display onto it?
If you want to use GSync, obs projector preview is your main usable option. Cloning with gsync is a bad time
@@EposVox Thanks for the reply! Do you think we'll see a capture card capable of something like this on the horizon?
I don't like the idea of having OBS open to suck up resources, but I understand that this is a necessity for this scenario.
Hopefully, as I noted a few times in this video
I clone aon 1080ti the power lost is 2-3 fps about and it works perfect witg g-sync
I have Windows 11 and a GTX 1660 Super and I have the same issue where every time I set the resolution to 1440p then the refresh rate to 120 hz it drops to 1080p. Have you found a fix for that yet? I'm debating on returning it.
Would this have any issues being slotted in a thunderbolt 3 dock ?
i want to connect dslr for client work can you give me recomendation for good video capture for zoom?
Question EposVox; Where do I find a list of capture cards with how much delay it has with audio so I can sync it up properly on OBS?
Thanks for the detail review on this. I just ordered mine today to replace the HD 60S+ on my stream pc. Looking forward to using it. I actually use a 4k 60pro in the game pc so I can output my consoles to it and use OBS on my game PC when playing consoles. Complicated setup, but I love how it works.
Can you send your hd60s
So does hd60x work better with streamlabs ? I get audio delays and input lag in games like ufc 4 which sucks . I need help 😢
Based on the latest GamersNexus video I know that this is a truly gaming product because of the letter X
I have a question: can i record gameplay through Elgato and save it to my pc without using ipad recording app ??
It doesn’t work with iPad
If I set my Xbox Series X to 1440p and 120Hz with this capture card set to 1440p 60hz for recording on a M1 MacBook Pro.
Should I use a USB-C to USB-A dongle or get a USB-C to USB-C cable and connect it directly?
Any other tips for this setup to work good?
Anyone know the HD60 X wont allow me to play on 1440p 120 hz on my Xbox series x. Only maxes out on 1080p 120hz. I always play 1440 120 but once plugged into my elgato, it doesn’t work. Please help.
Do I have to plug it into usb type A to work for 1440p 120hz?
On the device tab try changing the edid from merged to display then hit apply try unplugging the device then replugging it in and see if that works.
Good video, I found the mascara / make up distracting. You're already perfect the way you are, you don't need it.
Yikes
two pc stream setup here... here are my problems with GSYNC.
P1:since there is no gsync compatible capture card atm, i need to duplicate(through display cloning in windows) my 120hz gsync signal to a 120hz hdmi out and capture that output instead.
P2: Since i ve hd60 pro only, and its max acepted refreshrate is 60, i need to set both displayport (gysnc) and HDMI(recording) outputs to 60hz. And even that does not solve the issues..
P3: Because gsync to be active, requires your "fps" to stay just beneath the max display refresh rate. . So when my gpu gives 59-60 fps , gsync treats it as a non gysnc signal, and when fps drops to 57(just 2 two frames below max refreshrate) gysnc activates, and when framerate goes back to 59-60 fps, gsync gets inactive and this switching of gysnc-on/off does not yield smooth results.
Now, the solution looks like i need a 120hz capture card and this capture card looks like a temporary solution until proper gysnc capturing cards(on which they have display port input and out ports) arrive
Okay so I have a ps5 playing 120 frames and the new hd 60x I’m using an older lab top Ge Force GTX 1050 TI with i5 processor is there specific setting I need to run for it to work right now my stream is all choppy and laggy.
So with the HD60s+ i need to put the 4k transfer rate at -2 on the ps5. With this I could do it at Automatic right?
Why can it not record 1080p/120hz? That's just weird, when almost a 4 year old device like Live Gamer Ultra can...
Turns out I was mistaken and it can in OBS
I have Asus Rog strix g17 with 4th gen ryzen 7 and nivida 4gb rtx 3050 and usb 3.0 will elgato hd60 x will. Work with my laptop for streaming capture card captures my xbox series x gameplay
So should i return my hd60 s+ i just got 3 days ago
Thats up to you.
All of elgato capture cards give me micro stutters or screen tear. Is this the card to fix all that? I tried all the troubleshooting from elgato and nothing. Currently using avermedia GC573 that works better than elgato but I want something better. I just want to record smooth gameplay 1080 60fp for ps5 for xbox series x
So I don't want to record or stream but I want it so I can have and use my audio and screen setup from my pc so if I hook a console up to the capture card and into my pc is there any way to view it in real time and play from that just as if I was playing it normally?
8:44 “Shut up lifted youre african water”
Nice content
so i'm guessing it won't accept 5120x1440p either?
Nope, that's ultrawide which as stated doesn't work.
How do I stream or record on this new elgato with a ps5 and 120hz monitor ?
Plug it in, enable 120 hz
Guide linked in description if you need to know how to use a capture card
Hi, i have 4K60 Pro and it's really awful. Quality creates slow stuttering and cutting the audio. I got one years ago and still has an issue.
I think it's because of heating from graphic card below it that causes to inhale inside the heat (similar to 2:39).
I don't know. But i've been thinking to get this one and hopefully wouldn't have a mess like this one.
I don't have HDR on in game and my monitor supports both FreeSync and GSync with 144Hz and HDR (Dell Q3223Q).
Both are turned off because i don't care for extra saturations feature.
Did you come accross to any issue with this? I didn't on Elgato Game Capture HD that i used for years till i got in 2018 4K60 Pro.
Still to this day that doesn't work right, even with updated RTX 2080Ti.
Also i've been thinking to get HD60 X but i'm skeptical about the mess to not be happening again with looking like i wasted money on it.
Update:This capture card doesnt come ready to use off the box. I experienced audio crackling on 2 hd60x cards, image issues and stuttering. Also my image froze and I had to keep messing with the cables in order for it to work. I suggest you skip it and wait until someone else puts out a better product
Hello, can you compare this to the Asus CU4K30, they seem to have a lot of similar features and similar prices or please let me know which is better I’m in the market for a capture card I can play 1080 120fps on my ps5 please
They’re basically the same other than VRR support
@@EposVox so in summary, the Elgato is better? I mean the reason I’m still considering the Asus is because of the controller and headphone support I don’t know if that’s an edge over the Elgato or it’s still the same thing but I have trouble linking my PC audio (like music, stream alerts) and my console audio to my headphones so I could hear everything
If you want the controller support, get the e asus. If you’re using freeSync, get the Elgato
@@EposVox thank you so much, you’re the 🐐
I’ve a question and idk where to ask for help, I have the best settings for streaming and recording and I can only get 720p from it, also the colors look a little bit washed out and I’ve done everything to fix it, it’s better quality if I record the display straight from obs, I need help because it was not plug and play!
Are you able to do audio extraction/pass through from console to pc with low or non-existent delay? I’ve been waiting for hdmi 2.1 audio extractors so I can get the full suite of features with my Series X, but It’d be amazing if I could do that and also have the recording functionality that the hd60x offers as well.
Use a 2.1 splitter before the cap card you will havr audio capture from there i guess
Upon watching your video I stumbled with the same issue of not being able to Passthrough 1440p 120z on my new Dell AW3423DW. I am using my Xbox Series S with a Mac Studio. Do you know of any solution to this problem?
Lots of toggling between Display and Internal EDID mode in the 4K Capture Utility app
@@EposVox thank you for the quick response. However I am not able to download the 4k capture utility app, since I am a Mac user. Do you know any other method perhaps?
Does anyone know why I can’t put my series X to 4K 60hz using this? I have a 144 hz 4K monitor and my ps5 works fine with this in 4K but the Xbox goes right to 1080 when I put 4K on. Makes no sense
Try setting it manually to 60hz first. It’s probably trying to hit 120hz instead and can’t do that at 4K. May need to manually set the display EDID in the 4K Capture Utility app to 4k60 too