btw, I always try to use the Chinese pronunciations of the characters' names, in case anyone is wondering why I pronounce some of the characters' names differently to how they are pronounced in Monkie Kid (the show doesn't always use the right pronunciation). also that clip I used of Azure and Ne Zha had background music, but I removed it because background music can cause copyright claims
@@mancat1994 Hopefully sometime in season 5! Although, it is possible he may just try to ignore it because he wants things to go back to normal. They also need to figure out wrong with him too - maybe it is too risky for him to use his monkey form?
Wukong can NOT be Jade emperor after all the shit he's given the celestial realm. Nezha is the best canditad. His loyalty to the jade emperor is unmatched. And he would have the Monkie gang and the demon bull family as major suport
It's very possible that Erlang Shen will be the new Jade Emperor. And maybe that was his plan all along. Remember this theory i found on tumblr, which said that Erlang could possibly be the one who orchestrated Azure Lion's freedom and also that he could be the mysterious seventh member of the Brotherhood in the LMK show? Also, if i recall correctly, didn't Erlang in the OJTTW burn Sun Wukong's mountain, while he was on the journey, just for his own entertainment? He must have hated his uncle's rule and ideologies and needed a way to overthrow him, without becoming suspicious.
Yeah, Erlang Shen did indeed burn down parts of Flower Fruit Mountain, after Sun Wukong had already been captured 😬 And Erlang Shen being the seventh member of the Brotherhood is a really interesting idea! Erlang Shen definitely could have motive for overthrowing the Jade Emperor, as his backstory is that his mother was exiled for adultery and for Erlang's illegitimate birth 👀
@@Dimitsune I've seen a few people talk about it, but it's also mentioned in the footnotes of the Anthony C. Yu translation of JTTW (I believe Erlang Shen was a pre-existing mythical character, so the backstory came before JTTW, but it's referenced in the text). This website has the PDFs of the Anthony C. Yu translation (which is regarded as the most accurate): journeytothewestresearch.com/2019/06/07/archive-10-journey-to-the-west-2012-revised-edition/
I don’t know if he will become a villain. He’s a mythical hero who would give his life protecting the celestial realm and the earth since he was born half human. The only time he had a villain role was in an alternate story called the Magic Lotus Lantern. He imprisoned his sister for marrying a mortal and his nephew Chenxiang fought him and rescued her afterwards. Some adaptations say Chenxiang was trained under Wukong but I don’t think that was canon to the JTTW timeline.
@@bluebelt1235 Well, maybe not a villain, but an anti-villain. As you recall, Azure in the LMK show served the Celestial Realm. However, he hated the fact that the celestials only cared for themselves instead of the Mortal Realm. Maybe, that is not just Azure's opinion, it is also Erlang's since he is a celestial and a mortal as you say.
(My English is not good, so I use a translator) I'm Chinese and I don't think anyone can take the place of Jade Emperor, including Erlang Shen. Because if the Jade Emperor does die in season 5, all Chinese viewers will think it's a hilarious adaptation, and the Jade Emperor is the highest and most widely circulated being in China in both folk belief and mythology. In all the Chinese movies and cartoons I've watched since elementary school, there hasn't been a single person who could really take the Jade Emperor's place. I think it's the third possibility, or the Jade Emperor isn't dead at all but just hiding, otherwise my jaw would have dropped to the floor when the animation aired
That is a good point - perhaps he isn't dead. But there would need to be a really good explanation for why it looked like he died and how Azure got the Jade Emperor's power. When watching season 4, I did think it was an odd choice to have the Jade Emperor die. I'm definitely curious to see what the writers will do.
Already the Jade Emperor had lived for 14 billion years, he had experienced so much. I'm more inclined to believe that he has a better way of handling the situation, such as letting the incident fester to the point where he has to deal with it himself. Or maybe he's just a wily old man who just wants to wait until the ulcer on his arm is so bad he can't bear to look at it before he cuts it off in one fell swoop🤣@@RVSketch
Oh no. The LATAM presidents. OK NOOO.. xdxdxd Tengo una teoría que no tiene nada que ver con el vídeo pero que es muy tierna. Se imaginan que Mo (el gato de Sandy) sea un regalo de su psicólogo. Ya que en las fotos de Pigsy no se lo ve con un gato. Y pues, Pigsy recuerda a Sandy como alguien un poco mas turbio o nose, pero gracias a Mo, este se lo ve mas feliz. También se imaginan que en la 5ta temporada de LMK, todos los personajes ayuden a MK a qué se controle, es decir, en casi todos los momentos ( por no decir todos), los personajes recuerdan principalmente a MK. Así que, UWU, podría ser, QUIEROOO LA 5TA TEMPORADA. Saludos
It would definitely make sense if Mo, or one of Sandy's other cats, was a gift from his therapist! And yeah, I definitely think MK's friends will support him in season 5!
I know right but mostly though I want to know more about MK's past and what is he and who are villains going to be in season 5 and when is the release date cause I'm so anxious to know what happens next
@@RVSketch That actually begs the question about the new season. I know that the set is to celebrate the 5 years of LMK. However, what if in the new season the gang might end up in an alternative universe. Basically, journey to the west but in the modern world. And the demons are normal people, who use different methods to come on top. 😮
Definitely not MK, he has no experience in ruling or taking charge the way the JE does. His power is currently unstable and his only interest is protecting the mortal realm not ruling over it. Ne Zha is a much better candidate than MK.
I could totally see heaven holding like a meeting on who should be the new Jade Emperor and while they would probably eventually land on Erlang, I could totally see Nezha being their plan B. He’s powerful enough to contain the Jade Emperor’s power, he’s loyal to heaven, he’s Taoist, responsible, a pretty formidable fighter and leader, and he’s already royalty. It’s just that Nezha would never agree to this because he knows he has other responsibilities cus even though he’s no longer guarding the map he’s still head of heaven’s armies and the only member of the celestial court that does his job💀
I wonder if Ne Zha could actually become an outlaw - he is guarding the Jade Emperor's power, but what if he disagrees with who Heaven chooses and refuses to give the power to them? I can see him obeying orders and putting aside his personal opinions, but what if it was clear Heaven chose someone corrupt? 🤔
My money would be on either Erlang Shen or Xi Wangmu becoming the new Jade Emperor/Empress by the end of season 5, although I wouldn’t be surprised if we have another Azure Lion situation that leads into season 6, and then have a Jade Emperor properly chosen
@@RVSketchhmm maybe the whole idea is that instead of having just one person in charge again (that caused a lot of problems AKA not treating mortals with respect) they might decide to actually have a democracy. So it won’t be just one person, deciding what happens, they’ll be taking in everyone’s interests to try and get the fairest outcome
I may have fangirled like crazy at the appearance of Nezha when he showed up 😂 um please let me know where the lion guy and his brothers come from. I want to try to do more research to see if i can anticipate any other characters from the JTTW and the connected stories may appear in this show’s future.
In Journey to the West, Azure Lion, Peng, and Yellow Tusk are the Three Demons at Camel Lion Ridge - they are not Sun Wukong's sworn brothers in the book. What is rather weird is that Azure Lion is actually the Lion-Lynx Demon, the steed of the Bodhisattva Manjusri. And the Golden-Winged Peng is actually a brother of the peacock Mahamayuri (the Buddha's godmother). And the Yellow Tusked Elephant is actually the white elephant that the Bodhisattva Samantabhadra rides on. There's actually a weird trend of demon characters in Journey to the West being revealed to have other identities/a different true identity. The Gold and Silver Horned Demons were revealed to actually be two boys in charge of watching Taishang Laojun's furnaces.
I think zha or wukong should be the new jade emperor i Mostly choose wukong because he is immoral and no one can beat him but wukong would also lose control next is zha zha is not that powerful but he do have amazing defense so he would hold it but he young so he want hold it for that long so maybe wukong mostly
I agree! Especially since she's often associated with Taoism! And the first information about her comes from Oracle Bone Script, a language which has featured heavily in LMK (LBD uses it, and it's on the Scroll) 👀 - although idk how significant that is, since Oracle Bone Script is pretty historically important in general, and is an ancient form of the Chinese language.
Because sometimes I have shorter/less-extensive theories. I don't want to try to drag out a video and add unnecessary stuff just for the sake of making it longer. I've got plenty of longer videos planned though 🥰
Banger video :333 Those would all be really interesting routes (also I NEED erlang to have a speaking role at least once),, personally what I think might happen is that the energy gets like?? Reabsorbed into the atmosphere maybe?? Since there are so many themes of rejecting fate and stuff maybe the show might go the route of "keeping the universe together is probably too much responsibility for one person" or something
@@RVSketchyes! Exactly this! In fact just from the trailer alone I don’t think he’ll end up becoming the jade emperor due to how they are setting him up, but he definitely wants to.
This website has PDFs of Journey to the West in different languages: journeytothewestresearch.com/2023/08/08/archive-42-pdfs-of-journey-to-the-west-translations/ There are two English ones: the Anthony C. Yu translation (regarded as the most accurate translation - it has extensive footnotes and an introduction by the translator explaining a lot of stuff) and the W. J. F. Jenner translation (might be easier to read? Also, it seems to be cheaper if you want to buy a physical copy). Edit: direct link to the page containing the PDFs of the Anthony C. Yu translation: journeytothewestresearch.com/2019/06/07/archive-10-journey-to-the-west-2012-revised-edition/
No, he's a full god, in religion and in Journey to the West (JTTW). I don't think there's such thing as a half or demi god in Chinese mythology/religion or in JTTW. You either are one or you aren't. But why someone is a god depends, because on one hand, JTTW is a fictional book, but on the other hand, some characters in JTTW are gods from actual religions. There are also two main religions in JTTW: Buddhism and Taoism. I think Buddhist deities (like Buddha) aren't usually referred to as gods, but Taoist deities (like Erlang Shen and the Jade Emperor) definitely are. But it's complicated, and I haven't done a ton of research on this lol.
@@ilhamimanidris1027 I think that's just not a thing in Chinese mythology/religion. I could be wrong though - it's hard to find information on all this stuff in English. You can become a god by earning it (like through cultivation), so it's not 100% to do with genetics. Because it's part of mythology and folk religion, there aren't necessarily clear/canon answers. I think it can also just depend on who irl people decided to worship.
Unfortunately, I do not know. Monkie Kid doesn't have a very consistent release schedule, and we rarely get the air dates in advance or far in advance. A lot of the time, the next season will drop unexpectedly (usually not in English).
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btw, I always try to use the Chinese pronunciations of the characters' names, in case anyone is wondering why I pronounce some of the characters' names differently to how they are pronounced in Monkie Kid (the show doesn't always use the right pronunciation).
also that clip I used of Azure and Ne Zha had background music, but I removed it because background music can cause copyright claims
Good on u for trying, but it is really funny for me to listen to both English and Mandarin names and then hearing the in between lol
That’s fine mate 😊 the way they say names is probably different for the sake of the children watching 😅 but that’s my guess
@@Hexan_Flare yeah, I try my best, but I definitely can't speak Chinese 😅
When will MK begin training on his monkey form?
@@mancat1994 Hopefully sometime in season 5! Although, it is possible he may just try to ignore it because he wants things to go back to normal. They also need to figure out wrong with him too - maybe it is too risky for him to use his monkey form?
No new jade emperor would be wild- who’s Wukong gonna bully in his spare time?
Macaque probably 😅
@@RVSketch Feel like it would be the other way round
@@saysikeern202 True 😅
Wukong can NOT be Jade emperor after all the shit he's given the celestial realm. Nezha is the best canditad. His loyalty to the jade emperor is unmatched. And he would have the Monkie gang and the demon bull family as major suport
Yeah, I feel like Sun Wukong would make a terrible Jade Emperor lol.
@@RVSketchsun Wukong literally wanted to just relax his whole life. I don't see him as an the emperor of the realm, that's too much work
It's very possible that Erlang Shen will be the new Jade Emperor.
And maybe that was his plan all along.
Remember this theory i found on tumblr, which said that Erlang could possibly be the one who orchestrated Azure Lion's freedom and also that he could be the mysterious seventh member of the Brotherhood in the LMK show?
Also, if i recall correctly, didn't Erlang in the OJTTW burn Sun Wukong's mountain, while he was on the journey, just for his own entertainment?
He must have hated his uncle's rule and ideologies and needed a way to overthrow him, without becoming suspicious.
Yeah, Erlang Shen did indeed burn down parts of Flower Fruit Mountain, after Sun Wukong had already been captured 😬
And Erlang Shen being the seventh member of the Brotherhood is a really interesting idea!
Erlang Shen definitely could have motive for overthrowing the Jade Emperor, as his backstory is that his mother was exiled for adultery and for Erlang's illegitimate birth 👀
@@RVSketch I didn't know that!
Everything i know about the JTTW comes from OSP and any legitimate information i find online.
@@Dimitsune I've seen a few people talk about it, but it's also mentioned in the footnotes of the Anthony C. Yu translation of JTTW (I believe Erlang Shen was a pre-existing mythical character, so the backstory came before JTTW, but it's referenced in the text).
This website has the PDFs of the Anthony C. Yu translation (which is regarded as the most accurate):
journeytothewestresearch.com/2019/06/07/archive-10-journey-to-the-west-2012-revised-edition/
I don’t know if he will become a villain. He’s a mythical hero who would give his life protecting the celestial realm and the earth since he was born half human. The only time he had a villain role was in an alternate story called the Magic Lotus Lantern. He imprisoned his sister for marrying a mortal and his nephew Chenxiang fought him and rescued her afterwards. Some adaptations say Chenxiang was trained under Wukong but I don’t think that was canon to the JTTW timeline.
@@bluebelt1235 Well, maybe not a villain, but an anti-villain.
As you recall, Azure in the LMK show served the Celestial Realm. However, he hated the fact that the celestials only cared for themselves instead of the Mortal Realm.
Maybe, that is not just Azure's opinion, it is also Erlang's since he is a celestial and a mortal as you say.
I would love sandy being jade emperor
Actually I would love to see Ne Zha becoming the new jade emperor
I do think he'd be good for the job, but if he becomes the Jade Emperor, I feel like we won't see him as much in the show 😔
@@RVSketchyes I just hope he has some character development aka giving up his post
He is a warrior not a emperor
Well, apparently his father, wanted the role more😅
(My English is not good, so I use a translator)
I'm Chinese and I don't think anyone can take the place of Jade Emperor, including Erlang Shen. Because if the Jade Emperor does die in season 5, all Chinese viewers will think it's a hilarious adaptation, and the Jade Emperor is the highest and most widely circulated being in China in both folk belief and mythology.
In all the Chinese movies and cartoons I've watched since elementary school, there hasn't been a single person who could really take the Jade Emperor's place.
I think it's the third possibility, or the Jade Emperor isn't dead at all but just hiding, otherwise my jaw would have dropped to the floor when the animation aired
That is a good point - perhaps he isn't dead. But there would need to be a really good explanation for why it looked like he died and how Azure got the Jade Emperor's power.
When watching season 4, I did think it was an odd choice to have the Jade Emperor die. I'm definitely curious to see what the writers will do.
Already the Jade Emperor had lived for 14 billion years, he had experienced so much. I'm more inclined to believe that he has a better way of handling the situation, such as letting the incident fester to the point where he has to deal with it himself.
Or maybe he's just a wily old man who just wants to wait until the ulcer on his arm is so bad he can't bear to look at it before he cuts it off in one fell swoop🤣@@RVSketch
Li Jing will be the next acting Jade Emperor
There’s also gonna be something about getting stones and finding Nuwa to repair the pillar of heaven I think
Oh no. The LATAM presidents. OK NOOO.. xdxdxd
Tengo una teoría que no tiene nada que ver con el vídeo pero que es muy tierna. Se imaginan que Mo (el gato de Sandy) sea un regalo de su psicólogo. Ya que en las fotos de Pigsy no se lo ve con un gato. Y pues, Pigsy recuerda a Sandy como alguien un poco mas turbio o nose, pero gracias a Mo, este se lo ve mas feliz.
También se imaginan que en la 5ta temporada de LMK, todos los personajes ayuden a MK a qué se controle, es decir, en casi todos los momentos ( por no decir todos), los personajes recuerdan principalmente a MK. Así que, UWU, podría ser, QUIEROOO LA 5TA TEMPORADA. Saludos
It would definitely make sense if Mo, or one of Sandy's other cats, was a gift from his therapist! And yeah, I definitely think MK's friends will support him in season 5!
I know right but mostly though I want to know more about MK's past and what is he and who are villains going to be in season 5 and when is the release date cause I'm so anxious to know what happens next
I say nezha should succeed the jade emperor
People!
A new set has been revealed on the LMK wiki page!
I repeat, a new set has been revealed!
Lol why is Macaque a window cleaner with a baseball cap? 😅
@@RVSketch They are not doing my man justice!
🤣
But, at least finally we have Macaque with a hoodie...even though he is a window cleaner.
@@RVSketch That actually begs the question about the new season.
I know that the set is to celebrate the 5 years of LMK.
However, what if in the new season the gang might end up in an alternative universe. Basically, journey to the west but in the modern world.
And the demons are normal people, who use different methods to come on top.
😮
@@Dimitsune that would be pretty cool!
@@RVSketch Update on Macaque's outfit.
He is a street artist (and a thief apparently)!
They did my man justice!
I think it might be mk or nezha
Definitely not MK, he has no experience in ruling or taking charge the way the JE does. His power is currently unstable and his only interest is protecting the mortal realm not ruling over it. Ne Zha is a much better candidate than MK.
@@saysikeern202 I feel like Ne Zha would be more willing than MK - he definitely wouldn't want MK doing it anyway.
@@RVSketch I think Monkey King would disagree with it too 😅
I could totally see heaven holding like a meeting on who should be the new Jade Emperor and while they would probably eventually land on Erlang, I could totally see Nezha being their plan B.
He’s powerful enough to contain the Jade Emperor’s power, he’s loyal to heaven, he’s Taoist, responsible, a pretty formidable fighter and leader, and he’s already royalty.
It’s just that Nezha would never agree to this because he knows he has other responsibilities cus even though he’s no longer guarding the map he’s still head of heaven’s armies and the only member of the celestial court that does his job💀
I wonder if Ne Zha could actually become an outlaw - he is guarding the Jade Emperor's power, but what if he disagrees with who Heaven chooses and refuses to give the power to them? I can see him obeying orders and putting aside his personal opinions, but what if it was clear Heaven chose someone corrupt? 🤔
@@RVSketch He would never go along with it if it was someone like Wukong😭
@@pipopiipo lmbo Ne Zha would be so outraged if they chose Sun Wukong 😅
@@RVSketch he’d probably just take the Jade Emperor’s power and dip🥲
My money would be on either Erlang Shen or Xi Wangmu becoming the new Jade Emperor/Empress by the end of season 5, although I wouldn’t be surprised if we have another Azure Lion situation that leads into season 6, and then have a Jade Emperor properly chosen
Without the jade emperor the world would be chaos Without to keep in order balance
But is it in chaos at this very moment, when there isn't a Jade Emperor? 👀
@@RVSketchhmm maybe the whole idea is that instead of having just one person in charge again (that caused a lot of problems AKA not treating mortals with respect) they might decide to actually have a democracy. So it won’t be just one person, deciding what happens, they’ll be taking in everyone’s interests to try and get the fairest outcome
I may have fangirled like crazy at the appearance of Nezha when he showed up 😂 um please let me know where the lion guy and his brothers come from. I want to try to do more research to see if i can anticipate any other characters from the JTTW and the connected stories may appear in this show’s future.
In Journey to the West, Azure Lion, Peng, and Yellow Tusk are the Three Demons at Camel Lion Ridge - they are not Sun Wukong's sworn brothers in the book.
What is rather weird is that Azure Lion is actually the Lion-Lynx Demon, the steed of the Bodhisattva Manjusri. And the Golden-Winged Peng is actually a brother of the peacock Mahamayuri (the Buddha's godmother). And the Yellow Tusked Elephant is actually the white elephant that the Bodhisattva Samantabhadra rides on.
There's actually a weird trend of demon characters in Journey to the West being revealed to have other identities/a different true identity. The Gold and Silver Horned Demons were revealed to actually be two boys in charge of watching Taishang Laojun's furnaces.
Amazing theory, and yea i think erlang is will be very nice Jade Emperor
I do believe he has to apologize to Wukong tho. For burning his mountain and therefor killing HALF of his ( around 47,000) monkeys this one time.
I think zha or wukong should be the new jade emperor i Mostly choose wukong because he is immoral and no one can beat him but wukong would also lose control next is zha zha is not that powerful but he do have amazing defense so he would hold it but he young so he want hold it for that long so maybe wukong mostly
I think Queen Mother of West is a good candidate despite not being introduced in LMK just for her set of abilities
I agree! Especially since she's often associated with Taoism!
And the first information about her comes from Oracle Bone Script, a language which has featured heavily in LMK (LBD uses it, and it's on the Scroll) 👀 - although idk how significant that is, since Oracle Bone Script is pretty historically important in general, and is an ancient form of the Chinese language.
No idea, but someone who’s strong enough to do anything
Probably Li Jing will become the new emperor
Ooo I’m excited to see who will replace him 🤔
Why the video so small?
Because sometimes I have shorter/less-extensive theories. I don't want to try to drag out a video and add unnecessary stuff just for the sake of making it longer. I've got plenty of longer videos planned though 🥰
👀
Banger video :333 Those would all be really interesting routes (also I NEED erlang to have a speaking role at least once),, personally what I think might happen is that the energy gets like?? Reabsorbed into the atmosphere maybe?? Since there are so many themes of rejecting fate and stuff maybe the show might go the route of "keeping the universe together is probably too much responsibility for one person" or something
Thanks! And the power just going into the atmosphere/back into the universe would be pretty cool!
MONKEY KING OBVI!!!
It's Ne Zha 's Father
Watch the season 5 trailer
I did. But just because he wants to be the Jade Emperor doesn't mean he'll become it.
@@RVSketchyes! Exactly this! In fact just from the trailer alone I don’t think he’ll end up becoming the jade emperor due to how they are setting him up, but he definitely wants to.
@@RVSketch Ohhhh l understand now
Where can I read this book in 3:57 I need to read journey to the west badly
This website has PDFs of Journey to the West in different languages:
journeytothewestresearch.com/2023/08/08/archive-42-pdfs-of-journey-to-the-west-translations/
There are two English ones: the Anthony C. Yu translation (regarded as the most accurate translation - it has extensive footnotes and an introduction by the translator explaining a lot of stuff) and the W. J. F. Jenner translation (might be easier to read? Also, it seems to be cheaper if you want to buy a physical copy).
Edit: direct link to the page containing the PDFs of the Anthony C. Yu translation:
journeytothewestresearch.com/2019/06/07/archive-10-journey-to-the-west-2012-revised-edition/
Wait, Erlang is a demi god?!?!
No, he's a full god, in religion and in Journey to the West (JTTW). I don't think there's such thing as a half or demi god in Chinese mythology/religion or in JTTW. You either are one or you aren't.
But why someone is a god depends, because on one hand, JTTW is a fictional book, but on the other hand, some characters in JTTW are gods from actual religions.
There are also two main religions in JTTW: Buddhism and Taoism. I think Buddhist deities (like Buddha) aren't usually referred to as gods, but Taoist deities (like Erlang Shen and the Jade Emperor) definitely are. But it's complicated, and I haven't done a ton of research on this lol.
@@RVSketch I see but Erlang being the son of a mortal and Jade Emperor's sister caught me off guard.
@@ilhamimanidris1027 yeah, and it was quite the scandal too lol
@@RVSketch But why Erlang isn't label as demi god when he has a mortal dad?
@@ilhamimanidris1027 I think that's just not a thing in Chinese mythology/religion. I could be wrong though - it's hard to find information on all this stuff in English.
You can become a god by earning it (like through cultivation), so it's not 100% to do with genetics. Because it's part of mythology and folk religion, there aren't necessarily clear/canon answers. I think it can also just depend on who irl people decided to worship.
When is season 5 releasing?
Unfortunately, I do not know. Monkie Kid doesn't have a very consistent release schedule, and we rarely get the air dates in advance or far in advance. A lot of the time, the next season will drop unexpectedly (usually not in English).