Thanks for this. My father served on Javelin from Jan 1942 to July 1943. He was only 16 when he joined the navy (having given a false date of birth) and 17 when posted to Javelin. On his first day, she went out for sea trials from Plymouth and two shipmates were washed overboard and lost. Some introduction. He was in touch with some of the crew of HMAS Nestor for most of his life. He said Javelin was known as 'a lucky ship' and I guess she was, however, my father's service in The Med had a dramatic affect on him that reverberated throughout his life and by defaul, on his family. They were a tough generation. I miss him.
Very interesting but you miss out that in 1939 Javelin was part of the 5th Destroyer Flotilla. Capt. D was Mountbatten and the flotilla leader was HMS Kelly. My father was flotilla signals officer and after Kelly was torpedoed Mountbatten moved his flag to Javelin and my father went with him. After Javelin was torpedoed and towed back to the Tyne, my father and Mountbatten returned to Kelly whose repairs had been completed.
I've heard many stories of warships getting their hulls blown or cut off, and some involving their sterns. But Javelin went above and beyond by losing both her bow and stern, and she survived that as well. Tough little ship.
Aboard one of the german destroyers involved, Z20 Karl Galster, there was a fresh war correspendent named Leutnant der Matrosenartillerie Lothar Günther Buchheim, who wrote his first news article on the "british destroyer torn to pieces" which was somewhat more optimistic in tone than his famous novel ;)
The feeling of space on an open bridge is fantastic. The panoramic views with no need to go on to the bridge wing make life easier. Sailing the Pacific during thr middle watch wearing nothing but a pair of shorts with the record player playing the beach boys. Being in a force 10 gusting 11 and the waves breaking green over the bridge which has a height of 60 foot above sea level. Being on watch in home waters, freezing cold when the boatswains mate brings you a mug of ki. All of which I experienced. I recognise that today for many reasons we have to have enclosed bridges but I still have wonderful memories of my time spent on an open bridge.
Look at the Tribal class destroyer HMS Zubian - she was made from parts of HMS Zulu and HMS Nubian - Zulu had lost her stern and Nubian lost her bows hence Zubian.
Shy..another great video from an under rated content provider..you deserve so many more subs/views..this ship i have never heard of is why i subbed..great job..
Given the period spend being rebuilt, it was probably significantly quicker that actually building a new ship from the keel up and stripping the original for useful parts. Plus the rebuild would use different facilities, likely a dry dock, vs the slipways needed to produce new destroyers. Which can then be used to produce another ship in parallel with the repairs.
As Skynea says, there's a certain morale value to being able to say your ship was just damaged, not sunk. Take, for example, USS Cassin and USS Downes, which were definitely NOT lost in the Pearl Harbor raid, just damaged and repaired....by putting their machinery into totally new hulls.
The narration has a weird and unnatural cadence, but the rest of the video is pretty good. Like Drachinifel. I look forward to seeing where this channel goes.
"Towed off for repairs. I'm sure this was a morale boost..." After 2 eyes swollen shut & a nose needing complete reconstruction along with having an arm & leg pulverized then still pull through for another round... I'd say so... Sounds like the British version of the USS Laffey...
My father in law served on Javelin during which time he operated sonar and comms. He said that although forbidden he and a shipmate used to put their wages up for a raffle. As long as enough crew entered the raffle they made a lot more than they lost in wages. The ship has a mascot: a cat. He saw an oil tanker ablaze and said it was a very disturbing sight. But most troubling was trying to keep the peace between Jews and Arabs in what was to become Israel. That was scarier than fighting at sea.
@@AlanWild-c2z My guess is he was assigned when she was towed to Middlesbrough for repairs, as that's where we're from, but I know nothing of his time on there.
@@kyntac187 2 weeks is not much of a difference when the timescale is "a couple months". 2.8 vs 3.3 to be somewhat more exact. And especially as the Germans did it prearranging it with the Russians.
Oh but it’s an important 2 weeks, from a political standpoint it can be used to cast the Soviets as either vultures swooping in to take advantage of another’s hard work or desperate people moving forward to protect themselves from the Nazi’s, I’ve seen both in propaganda, and on a technical side when referencing dates the way it is done in this video it’s absolutely necessary to be accurate with when the events of the war happened and where.
@@drewjohnson-85 And yet neither of those 2 "arguments" work when you've actually gained the very base level of education and thus learned what the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact is/was. Especially the "protecting themselves" stupidity as they were quite literally ALLIED at this point in history, jfc dude
Damage control is something that they push hard in the US Navy!!! If ships like the Titanic had that kind of training with the crew she might have survived!!!
First RN destroyer in the first set of Axis & Allies War at Sea Unfortunately she doesn't have an ability reflecting her ability to survive torpedo hits. She does have "Lay Smoke Screen" & "Sub Hunter"
You have to remember that a lot of these operations took place in total darkness when no ship was using lights and at a time when not all ships had radar. Imagine a flotilla of destroyers charging about at over 40 mph in the pitch black while trying to work out who was friend and who was foe and shells are dropping all over the place. Collisions were not uncommon, but Javelin does seem to have been unlucky.
Because she's British. Look up any Royal Navy ship, 50-50 you'll find at least 1 collision. Hood? Collision. Renown? Collision. Repulse? Collision. Warspite? Collision. Valiant? Collision. Barham? Collision. Malaya? Collision. Illustrious? Collision. Formidable? Collision. And so on.
It's a hallmark of Royal Navy ships. Pick any RN ship you know, chances are that you will find one collision. Hood collided with Renown. Repulse collided with HMAS Australia. Illustrious collided with Formidable. King George V collided with Punjabi. Warspite collided with Barham, Valiant, Greyhound, unknown destroyer, Romanian passenger ship, and a mud bank. Indomitable collided with seabed. Amazon collided with Aracataca. Rodney collided with Topaze. The J class alone: Jervis collided with Jupiter, Tor and a tanker. Jackal collided with Janus and Storfos. Jaguar collided with Latona and an islet. Juno collided with an oiler. Jersey collided with Javelin and the Rosyth boom (in the same operation too). 100% collision rate on the J class.
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TY-great account. She must have re-payed her losses many times over in the butcher of ...armed children , I mean the tiny gunboats. I can imagine what the quad pom pom 40mm alone would do once in range, sweep the decks, or seas against dangerous swimmers, and lifeboats.. ..Italians never had great luck in the Med.
Thanks for this. My father served on Javelin from Jan 1942 to July 1943. He was only 16 when he joined the navy (having given a false date of birth) and 17 when posted to Javelin. On his first day, she went out for sea trials from Plymouth and two shipmates were washed overboard and lost. Some introduction. He was in touch with some of the crew of HMAS Nestor for most of his life. He said Javelin was known as 'a lucky ship' and I guess she was, however, my father's service in The Med had a dramatic affect on him that reverberated throughout his life and by defaul, on his family. They were a tough generation. I miss him.
My father they would have been shipmates , he was leading Stoker Malta
"Hours of boredom with moments of shear terror."
"Boats are safe in port, but that's not why we build boats."
My two favorite statements.
guess it's sheer
What a great tribute to British ship engineering & damage control.
The Royal Navy was still using that "Damage Control Saved HMS Javelin" picture when I was in training in the 1970's, it remained stuck in my mind.
My man, best warship channel on TH-cam by far hands down
Very interesting but you miss out that in 1939 Javelin was part of the 5th Destroyer Flotilla. Capt. D was Mountbatten and the flotilla leader was HMS Kelly. My father was flotilla signals officer and after Kelly was torpedoed Mountbatten moved his flag to Javelin and my father went with him. After Javelin was torpedoed and towed back to the Tyne, my father and Mountbatten returned to Kelly whose repairs had been completed.
Big salute to your Dad!--and his shipmates
I've heard many stories of warships getting their hulls blown or cut off, and some involving their sterns. But Javelin went above and beyond by losing both her bow and stern, and she survived that as well. Tough little ship.
Aboard one of the german destroyers involved, Z20 Karl Galster, there was a fresh war correspendent named Leutnant der Matrosenartillerie Lothar Günther Buchheim, who wrote his first news article on the "british destroyer torn to pieces" which was somewhat more optimistic in tone than his famous novel ;)
I still love how RN loved their open turrets like they did their open bridges
Having served in a destroyer with an open bridge I guarantee it's much better than an enclosed one even in some really nasty seas.
@@derekadams8977 Why is that?
@@Paladin1873 pre RADAR at least it gave far better visibility especially against submarines than a closed bridge particularly at night
The feeling of space on an open bridge is fantastic. The panoramic views with no need to go on to the bridge wing make life easier. Sailing the Pacific during thr middle watch wearing nothing but a pair of shorts with the record player playing the beach boys. Being in a force 10 gusting 11 and the waves breaking green over the bridge which has a height of 60 foot above sea level. Being on watch in home waters, freezing cold when the boatswains mate brings you a mug of ki. All of which I experienced. I recognise that today for many reasons we have to have enclosed bridges but I still have wonderful memories of my time spent on an open bridge.
@@derekadams8977 All good reasons why I joined the Air Force instead. 🙂
Look at the Tribal class destroyer HMS Zubian - she was made from parts of HMS Zulu and HMS Nubian - Zulu had lost her stern and Nubian lost her bows hence Zubian.
So they kept the lucky bits 😊
And the opposite situation, HMS Porcupine who broke in half, and became HMS Pork and HMS Pine.
Shy..another great video from an under rated content provider..you deserve so many more subs/views..this ship i have never heard of is why i subbed..great job..
Can't believe that they bothered to repair her after damage as extensive as that!
Well, you just weld a bit of tin on here and there. A little body filler and then paint. 😂
Given the period spend being rebuilt, it was probably significantly quicker that actually building a new ship from the keel up and stripping the original for useful parts. Plus the rebuild would use different facilities, likely a dry dock, vs the slipways needed to produce new destroyers. Which can then be used to produce another ship in parallel with the repairs.
As Skynea says, there's a certain morale value to being able to say your ship was just damaged, not sunk. Take, for example, USS Cassin and USS Downes, which were definitely NOT lost in the Pearl Harbor raid, just damaged and repaired....by putting their machinery into totally new hulls.
You would be amazed what the British boffins can buff out when they have to, especially in times of war.
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The narration has a weird and unnatural cadence, but the rest of the video is pretty good. Like Drachinifel. I look forward to seeing where this channel goes.
Your channel has quickly become one of my favorites! Really enjoy your content! Keep it coming!!
always enjoy you narratives on naval history ⚓️⚓️
Nice story very well done great job as always looking forward to the next one
My New Zealand Uncle desribed his service in the NZ Navy the same way: "Long periods of boredom, punctuated by momements of sheer terror"
"Towed off for repairs. I'm sure this was a morale boost..."
After 2 eyes swollen shut & a nose needing complete reconstruction along with having an arm & leg pulverized then still pull through for another round...
I'd say so...
Sounds like the British version of the USS Laffey...
The J class were used to being damaged, often through collisions, and often collisions with sister ships.
@@SennaAugustus I'm starting to think the Royal Navy's greatest enemy was, in fact, the Royal Navy.
"If the ship sinks we're swimming home boys!" "But it's November sir" "Then don't let it sink." "Yes sir."
My father in law served on Javelin during which time he operated sonar and comms. He said that although forbidden he and a shipmate used to put their wages up for a raffle. As long as enough crew entered the raffle they made a lot more than they lost in wages. The ship has a mascot: a cat.
He saw an oil tanker ablaze and said it was a very disturbing sight. But most troubling was trying to keep the peace between Jews and Arabs in what was to become Israel. That was scarier than fighting at sea.
"Hours of boredom with moments of shear terror" = Das Boot
my dad served on javlin. the crew loved her. she was classed as a lucky ship. alan w
My grandfather served on her too. Really happy to have come across this video.
@@robmarwood7821 its nice to hear from someone else who had family that served on javlin. my dad often talked about his time on her. alan w
@@AlanWild-c2z My guess is he was assigned when she was towed to Middlesbrough for repairs, as that's where we're from, but I know nothing of his time on there.
my dad sailed out of the clyde round the isle.of man on sea trials then down to the med. that would be 1944i guess.
10:55 return to Britain the country is called England
Will you make a video about the shipwrecks of Iron Bottom sound?
Good video, thank you.
Good story. Well done Javelin. More plusses than minuses.
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Hope you cover HMS Kelly's story as well
Good starter ship. Although Laffey is probably better.
Wouldn't "Germany *AND* Soviet Russia went on their Polish adventure" be more accurate?
Germany invaded Poland weeks before the soviets did, he was referencing that date.
@@kyntac187 2 weeks is not much of a difference when the timescale is "a couple months". 2.8 vs 3.3 to be somewhat more exact. And especially as the Germans did it prearranging it with the Russians.
Oh but it’s an important 2 weeks, from a political standpoint it can be used to cast the Soviets as either vultures swooping in to take advantage of another’s hard work or desperate people moving forward to protect themselves from the Nazi’s, I’ve seen both in propaganda, and on a technical side when referencing dates the way it is done in this video it’s absolutely necessary to be accurate with when the events of the war happened and where.
@@wilkatis 🤓
@@drewjohnson-85 And yet neither of those 2 "arguments" work when you've actually gained the very base level of education and thus learned what the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact is/was.
Especially the "protecting themselves" stupidity as they were quite literally ALLIED at this point in history, jfc dude
Hello, anything about H M S Tynedale?.
Damage control is something that they push hard in the US Navy!!!
If ships like the Titanic had that kind of training with the crew she might have survived!!!
First RN destroyer in the first set of Axis & Allies War at Sea
Unfortunately she doesn't have an ability reflecting her ability to survive torpedo hits. She does have "Lay Smoke Screen" & "Sub Hunter"
Attractive design, `cept for all the hull portholes....
Not like it was armoured at all.
The correct name for ‘portholes’ in the Royal Navy is actually ‘scuttles’. 😊
Well, they weren`t called TIN CANS for nothin, hey ?!@@katrinapaton5283
She was J class, they don't die so easy.
Read about HMS Jervis, or 'Lucky Jervis.' 13 Battle Honours and no casualties from enemy action.
you have missed the bit about the mutiny on javlin in 1944 alan w
You should talk about Le Fantasque… really fast :)
Or just fast destroyers in WWII
She had sister ships that could use her parts.
well some bodywork and a respray may be neccessary .
Lived near the beach all my life. I'm not interested in seeing how long I can tread water for. In a real life and death test.
Why so many collision?
Rum ration.
You have to remember that a lot of these operations took place in total darkness when no ship was using lights and at a time when not all ships had radar. Imagine a flotilla of destroyers charging about at over 40 mph in the pitch black while trying to work out who was friend and who was foe and shells are dropping all over the place. Collisions were not uncommon, but Javelin does seem to have been unlucky.
Because she's British. Look up any Royal Navy ship, 50-50 you'll find at least 1 collision. Hood? Collision. Renown? Collision. Repulse? Collision. Warspite? Collision. Valiant? Collision. Barham? Collision. Malaya? Collision. Illustrious? Collision. Formidable? Collision. And so on.
It's a hallmark of Royal Navy ships. Pick any RN ship you know, chances are that you will find one collision. Hood collided with Renown. Repulse collided with HMAS Australia. Illustrious collided with Formidable. King George V collided with Punjabi. Warspite collided with Barham, Valiant, Greyhound, unknown destroyer, Romanian passenger ship, and a mud bank. Indomitable collided with seabed. Amazon collided with Aracataca. Rodney collided with Topaze.
The J class alone: Jervis collided with Jupiter, Tor and a tanker. Jackal collided with Janus and Storfos. Jaguar collided with Latona and an islet. Juno collided with an oiler. Jersey collided with Javelin and the Rosyth boom (in the same operation too). 100% collision rate on the J class.
we all know what a bunch of people know her for...
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Oh yes HMS JAVELIN
The royal navy most unluckiest destroyer
She's not unlucky at all. She survived the war where many didn't, including 6 of her sisters.
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Javelin is the fastest Destroyer
British grit or magnetism? 😂
Itd be more than enough for me😂😂😂😂😂 my lovely Liza has a vacuum cleaner for a mouth
TY-great account. She must have re-payed her losses many times over in the butcher of ...armed children , I mean the tiny gunboats. I can imagine what the quad pom pom 40mm alone would do once in range, sweep the decks, or seas against dangerous swimmers, and lifeboats.. ..Italians never had great luck in the Med.