at least lions are actually social animals with a hierarchy, no other cats are like that including house cats, you'll notice that vast majority of the animals that we are the most successful at domesticating are very social like dogs, livestock, parrots, poultry, horses, etc.
Domestication is something that is really fascinating to me. I feel like a lot of people assume that domesticated animals would look similar or the same as the wild counterparts but nobody really takes into consideration the amount of anatomical changes that dogs and cats went through the process of domestication. This video is really well done! I kind of want a domestic lion now lol! Too bad that they don’t exist on earth 😔. Also sorry for not being active on the channel recently. This final season was brutal 😖.
Thank you! Yeah from what I was reading a lot of the physiological changes can happen in as little as 3-5 generations based on the fox study, so after over a thousand generations, I figured these lions would be quite distinct from their ancestors.
@@TalesofKaimere But they still just domestic form of their wild ancestors, not a complete specie or not at all a subspecie of their mother specie either ! BTW, are there tamed/domestic fox on kaimere ?
Badass! Big cats being domesticated is such a great concept and you’ve brought it to life pretty effectively. I like how their color patterns are all over the place like with most dog breeds, too.
Here is a domesticated animal you might not expect on Objecia: The aptly named "Domesticated Harold's Whale". They are a subspecies of the Dwarf Harold's Whale, and is the smallest Harold's Whale. Like dogs and cats, there are many breeds of domesticated Harold's Whales. They are like underwater horses, you can ride using a waterproof saddle. They are the only domesticated baleen whales on Objecia. There are 50 breeds of Domesticated Harold's Whales. Largest Breed being the Taurnian Harold's Whale, which is first domesticated not from Objecia, but from a planet in Hurricane Galaxy called "Taurnian".
I love that they have varied coat colors and different proportions to their wild counterparts! It’s something that often gets missed when fantasy authors introduce their own domestic species and I’m so happy to see it so well thought out. I’m curious, are we going to get a full list of the domestic species in Kaimere? This including both unique domestication events in the Known World and the ones brought over from Earth. Domestication is a subject I’m fascinated by.
Thank you!! If I get a sponsored episode on the subject I will try. At the moment there would be too much art I'd have to do. I'm hoping to do clade by clade first (dogs, horses, camelids, and cattle each should get their own episode first). I am planning on a few dinosaurs as well. There's no full list since' it's still in development and people get confused if I make lists while things are still in development because I add and remove things as time goes on.
As Dr. Naish has said in a couple articles, domestication has a lot more potential than is widely understood. While a lot of animals *can* be domesticated given enough time and care, most of them simply aren't worth the effort. These lions were worth it to defend livestock from a wide range of large predators, but dogs are WAY more efficient in terms of upkeep, training, and diet.
I totally get that. Dogs are more about endurance than cats, so they don't waste as much energy when hunting for prey. Even so, a lot of wild dogs eat almost the whole carcass when they make a kill. But what about dinosaurs? Are there some that are worth domesticating, you think?
@@sivanlevi3867 Large theropods are occasionally successfully tamed, but it's really just for the novelty, but none domesticated. I do plan on a domesticated population of the common drake bred for meat. Something that can hit 2 tons in about a year on basically a diet of whatever it can find is the perfect livestock for impoverished people. Their meat is a reflection of their own diet so giving it trash isn't going to give a good yield, but with a mix of grain, grass, ferns, and cycads, they can offer decent meat with minimal upkeep, time, and cost.
I never see Qajar region with many attention to this day, but I must admitt, this region is quite interesting in many ways ! With three separate sub-regions, separated by rivers : The mountains region where the Logger Village is, the Nerotan lands and the Qajarith Republic birth region ! Currently, if I well understood, all these regions are reunited under the same banner after a ancient last conflict, with the Nerotan surenderred because of economic issues ! Complex history but interesting !
The idea of fully domesticated lions is fascinating, and I like how you gave them unique color variations. It makes it much more realistic since we have many color variations with domesticated dogs and cats here on Earth. Great job on these. I do have a few questions, though. 1. Do Nerotan Lions sometimes breed with wild lions, similar to how domestic dogs have been known to breed with wild canids like wolves, coyotes, and dingos? If so, what are those mixed-bred lions like, and how has it affected the wild population? 2. Do they get along with other domesticated species like dogs, cats, and so on? 3. What is the social structure of Qajarith lions like? I know you said that they live in prides, unlike lions outside the Qajarith, but are they like what you see in lions of Africa, or are they more similar to wolf packs with the leaders being a mated pair with the rest being their offspring, or somewhere in between? Since you said that Lady Tomiran took advice from dog breeders, this might help explain how she was able to domesticate them.
Thanks! 1. They do sometimes and it's a serious problem. It makes basically the perfect man-eater: stocky like a domesticated lion but large, subtle, and predatory like wild lions. Most dangerously they are predisposed to be comfortable around people. Livestock guardians are most often exposed to wild cousins. They are fixed after they reach adulthood so they can reach maximum size, but ensuring they grow up strong and aggressive does leave a window wherein they sometimes mate with wild lions. Hunter lions are sometimes not fixed and this can also lead to hybrids. 2. It depends on the individual personalities but yes they are usually amiable with other pets and will usually take on a dominant protector role in pet dynamics. 3. The prides are smaller than some African prides get. Usually 1-3 related females and one mate. This is especially the case with lions living near people. The forests to the north have larger prides. Yes, Lady Tomiran worked not with a Qajarith dog breeder, who tend to breed for both aesthetic and function, and instead went with the Akanuk, known for their dogs being in pristine health and predictable temperament because the priority is on those traits instead of a uniform breed aesthetic. Tomiran chose to do this because she wanted her lions to be healthy and predictable, not necessarily uniform, and that legacy was carried down well.
On earth, the great sizes cats who are the most easier to tame and keep as pets are the African Cheetah (Acionyx jubatus) and the Snow Leopard (Panthera uncia) ! The Ancient Egyptian lords and kings at their time oftently keep cheetahs as pets (and some north afrian populations/tribe currently keep as well cheetah time to time). One of the most famous Cheetah is Chiquita, the favorite pet of the famous Josephine Baker ! The Snow Leopard, him, is quite easy to keep in captivity, and was in ancient era tame as pet, but tht was rare. In modern modern time, all the Big Cats are tamable, but must be extremely tame from their youngest age, and even, people alway must be careful because specimens can have violent and impredictible reactions ! Human alway must have a dominant posture toward them and any freedom must be taken twoward them. Also, at final, despite the our domestic cat were domesticated mainly from Egyptian time, any change on their behavior since this period was made. In fact, house cats have remain like their wild ancestors were, why just their physical appearance having change, for cosmetic use, their mains utilities ones remaining mostly the same in addition of the simple house pet aspect. Overall, house cats are just, in many, a specie who take advantage of human settlement to be keep and feed for free to assure their own life and security ! (yo the point we can put into question their denomination of "domestic". It's should be preferable to call them not as a entire specie or subspecie, but like a captive population in this case). Because, when an animal find a way to make easier and more secure his life, he applied it ! This aspect also increase their killing for pleasure, since they must always "left off steam", and this aspect cause most of the ecologicals disaters domestic cats made around the world ! So, yes, this video open the eyes on a pretty big and important subject !
Honestly the biggest roadblock to taming then domesticating large carnivores on Earth wasn't that they are dangerous, wolves are plenty dangerous apex predators as well, it was that large carnivores like big cats and bears would require too much high quality food (notably meat) for hunter/gatherers to afford to feed them. As large as a wolf is its food requirements are far less than that of a big cat or bear and larger domesticated animals were primarily domesticated because they primarily eat things we can't most notably grass. In another timeline, with a kinder fate that would have afforded it we may have had domesticated lions of our own.
This has got to be one of my favorite videos of Kaimeran fauna yet Keenan! Really inspires me to work harder on my own project's domesticated animals. If I may inquire what kind of Music didya use for this vid? I'd really like to hear it standalone and vibe with it lol
Holy shit this episode was excellent. I have fallen in love with Kaimere and damn domesticated lions are absolutely brilliant. I wish Kaimere existed in real would love to visit it especially Qajar
I gotta be real w u fam, that side wipe transition used a few times in the beginning especially made me feel nauseous. Was glad you switched to different transition effects once I began typing this comment. Page turn I think it best. Oh no there is that wipe only downward this time. Makes me feel vertigo on g my mans
This episode blindsided me with how good it was. Was expecting to like it but not as much as the last few but it went really in depth and got me enamored. 1. Do lions fight with azdarchids often both wild and domestic, and how does it go? 2. Could those perfect man eaters you mention in other comments theoretically be used as a new breed theoretically? (Such as in another war) 3. Is magic used at least partially to alter the lions in any cases?
1. Depends on the azhdarchid. Larger ones have a serious reach advantage, but lions are expert grapplers. Usually the pterosaurs take off when they spot approaching lions, and their takeoff speed combined with their insane field of vision means that they're usually successful in that respect. 2. Possibly. It would really need to be case by case. A very experienced trainer could work with these as war lions but would have to be super careful since they would be more aggressive and unpredictable. Although they would be stronger and more lethal than a domesticated war lion, war lions are already more than capable of overpowering a person, so there isn't much point in a lion with even greater strength, especially if you aren't sure you can control it. 3. There are very few people with magic inclinations in Qajar, but the Nerotans are an exception. They have a lot of herbal witches that use magic to improve people's health, and these potions/tinctures can extend the lives and overall health of lions. Doesn't make them enhanced much physically, but faster healing, endurance, and longer life potential combined with enhanced overall health is used sometimes and can definitely be considered an alteration.
This is interesting! This makes we wish that Kaimere exists and that the Kaimeran people imported domestic lions to Earth as guardian animals and household pets.
In my speculative evolution project, the “Alternate Pleistocene” humans domesticated Scimitar-toothed cats (Homotherium) as hunting companions during the Paleolithic, alongside wolves and falcons. The falcons were used to spot the prey, the wolves were used to harass the prey, and the scimitar-toothed cats were used to dispatch it. Later, their uses would extend to livestock guardianship when agriculture became a thing, and then guard animals and then beloved companions. There aren’t too many different breeds, and most differences are just down to physical size, temperament, and pelt colors and styles. I just think the concept of domesticated Homotherium is pretty cool.
My favorite of the domesticated lion pelt schemes is the spotted house lion. First watching this episode I had remind myself that I am looking at lions and not dogs.
Well since the Nerotans haven't shared their lions outside the family, dogs are definitely more popular. Also dogs need way less food and are a lot easier to maintain.
Great video again! Domestication is a quite interesting subject and seems to be somewhat underrated in speculative evolution projects. 4.23 Did i understand correctly, that there are domesticated dinosaurs on Kaimere?
@@TalesofKaimere I am looking forward to seeing them. I could imagine that some dinosaur species with noticeable display structures, would look even more crazy, if they are domesticated.
See again the Parksosaurs of Kaimere video to better understand ! It's maybe an old video, but still great as an entry, with any inconsistencies ! Also, Kaimeran also use some Alvarezsaurid species against nuisible insects !
Random question : Who is the girl, by her shadow, we see at 1:24 and on all the Magic of Kaimere (pranksters, homunculies, skin-changers and witch of kaimere) title screens videos and who look at, with a torch, the cave paintings ? In what context she is ?
That is Emahari, one of the main characters in my upcoming novel! In that sequence she's going through some ancient caves with a lot of Kaimere's history written on them, which makes for a convenient platform for historical pieces.
@@TalesofKaimere The Hellfighter story look very exciting, with Elijah and Emahari ! Two really well made characters ! I think that Emahari already appear in one of the previous novellas, when she encounter a banished young Kaimeran women in the jungle (I forget her name), but this women being the main protagonist of this story (and also becoming a Skin-changer like Emahari since I see some art showing her becoming an Indrakai !). In any case, it's great to see that Elijah and Emahari were meant to meet them togethers since the early beginning of the story and even the universe of Kaimere itself ! Like this is shown in Elijah and the Hellfighter presentation video ! I also like a lot Emahari, since she's a powerfull d'Oman, the kind to bé almost baddass in every aspects ! A positive woman and feminist depiction (as Lara Croft's Tomb Raider for example).
A bit of a late question, but I am curious: Given both would be closely related (at least, I assume), have there ever been any attempts to either hybridize the Nerotan lions with Arvelith Cave Lions, attempts to domesticate the Cave Lions, or any possibility of both, or are the Arvelith Cave Lions considered too dangerous by even the Nerotans?
On earth, we use many breeds of medium/big dogs to defend livestock against predators like wolves, bears, lynx in Europe, or big cats in Africa. On Kaimere, sure that dogs are use for similars uses but since here most of the predators or more deadly and big than any wolves, bears or lynx, any breed of dog are sufficient enought to face the local megafauna predators. So using already big predators breed again these magafauna carnivores is completely clever and understandable. But it's also interesting that the nerotan use dogs too in hunts. Because lions still feline and feline are ambush predators that can chase the preys during long distances. Dogs and canidae, them, are endurant species. So, it's cool and very clever that Nerotan people, in hunts, use dogs to scare the game away and redirect it towards the lions which stop and kill them ! And at least, that made on of the few case where dogs and cats are equal and must get along well :)
Human: We have successfully domesticated wolves and bred them into dogs. Kaimeran: We have successfully domesticated lions and bred them into war machines. Me: It doesn’t matter. Both are badass!
Good thing that they didn't turn out with the attitude of house cats and are more like dogs in some ways. Otherwise it would be the most disastrous pet ever.
So, overall, there 6 kind of domestic lions the Nerotan have : - the Hunter lion breed : dark brown coat with the tip of the front legs, the forehead and the behind of pure white. Very short mane for males. - the Bodayguard lion(ness) breed : Calico coat (mix of orange, black and white colors as the same time). Any mane (since they're are all females, since calico coat is exclusive to females in felidae species). - the Livestock guardian lion breed : Dark black coat, outside that, overall physical appearance and bodyplan highly similar to wild lions. - the House lion breed : No mane, greysih white color with dark black spots on the body (like a typical cow/cattle XD !) - the War lion breed : No mane. Grey color with tips of the legs, forehead and tail dark black. - and generic looking lions : like we can see in many picture, Nerotan always have generic looking lions among their domestic breeds, looks all like wild lions. The only difference is, of course, their docility and obedience to their masters resulting of selection.
Must have not been clear enough in the episode: there is no link between breed and coat. Black lions are found throughout the breeds, as are calicos, piebald, spotted, and base coats of red, white, black, gold, brown, and grey. The 'Siamese cat' pattern of the war lion is a rare coat but again, not exclusive to war lions. The regular lions of the sketches have a range of these coat colors that just doesn't really come through since it's a sketch.
Hey Keenan little unrelated from the subject in the video but was wondering if there is a list of some of the harvest time periods prior to the dynastic extinction, I’ve always been curious if there might be a few holdovers from the Jurassic or even if there were harvest during the Eocene or not.
"Few Kaimeran animals have been domesticated" I'm assuming the accompanying image is of those few domesticated animals? I would love to know more about the domestication of glyptodon, the beaver and the ankylosaur, are they for meat? How "domestic" are they?
They absolutely can! Such unions are avoided at all costs, since this breeds lions comfortable around humans but larger, more predatory, and a lot more aggressive, basically the perfect man-eater.
Random question : Like you said in this video, Domestic lions who keep livestock animals (mainly the Black Livestock Guardian breed) defend these later and fight against their wild lions counterparts (who are mostly identical to modern earth lions, even if some specimens can be truly giant and monstrous, more bigger than normal lions as stated in your Lion's Day special video), local Cockatrices, Big Pterosaurs such the locals Banshee Gull and Titan Crow, or even leopards. But like we can clearly see on the throne of Tannus nerotov, lions fight aslo time to time homunculies too ! So, outside the fact that must be btw fuckingly exciting, awesome and cool to see I easily presume ;) : 1 - how the fight between lions and homunculies are ? 2 - In general, how the lions manage to win or defend themselves against the homunculies ? 3 - Often, one always has the advantages over the others or is it 50/50 ? 4 - How is the Nerotan relatioship and view on Homunculies/demons ? 5 - Lions who survived an humonculies fight are regarded as heroes and rewarded (and can even became legends) ? 6 - Nothing to see with the subject, but to conclude, Nerotan people are the only persons and country to have domestic lions, right ? So that means that the others Qajarith people outside the Nerotan's country/lands (like the ones of the logger Village in the Mountains region and the birth lands of the Qajarith Republic) have any domestic lions and only dogs to protect them ?
1. Well homunculi are quite rare in the Republic now so these fights aren't common. 2. Depends on the homunculus. Some can be taken down by a single lion, others take a few. They run into the same issue as the ru kel in that they can't actually kill a homunculus, but if they restrain it, their ranger with an enchanted sword can finish the job! 3. Again it depends on the homunculus/demon. Usually homunculi have the advantage. 4. Nerotans view demons and homunculi as dangerous beings to be eliminated. Pretty typical Kaimeran opinion. 5. They absolutely are. 6. House Nerotok are the only ones with lions. Although many have been stolen and smuggled over the years, the secrets of breeding, training, and caring for them means that none of these smuggled lions are good pets or companions for outsiders, especially since they imprint on Nerotans. There are no reliable lions domesticated outside of Nerotan lands, and in the Republic, it is illegal to have them if you aren't certified, since there's a good chance they could mate with wild lions and make the perfect man eater: a wild predatory lion with the genetics to be comfortable around Kaimerans and rely on them for food.
its just an idea but on the subject in domestication an azhdarchid could be domesticated and small people(city wok child labour) can fly them for recon and kaimerians are smaller than earth humans so it could be possible
It's definitely possible! The basic concept of kids riding them is used by one of the thescelosaurs for fast package delivery especially in an urban context where horses aren't as efficient.
Thank you! Yeah it certainly wouldn’t work under the conventional domestication process but I think this way, as a passion project using tame individuals purely for the novelty that later found a range of utility, is the only way I could really think of it working out.
Very interesting the skull changes in the domesticated lions respect their wild counterparts. Who wouldn't have an house lion 😁? Sometimes ask to myself how could be the story of mankind if lions, the only big cats with a social structure, were objects of a serious attempt of taming if not a real domestication. Maybe hadn't the same important consequences of th the horses taming (for example) but is an interesting speculation (at least for me)
@@TalesofKaimere I have considered something similar with the likes of Jaguars and Hyenas. The latter certainly inspired by one theory about the Beast of Gevaudan.
Random question : How many South American harvest, after and excluding the one at 6,9 - 5,9 mya ? Because, there is Llamas on kaimere as you stated here... But these ungulates came in South America only at almsot 2,5 million years ago when the Great American Interchange between the North and South Continent ! But since Kaimeran use the Portal to brought on Kaimere differents humans ethnics during the Antiquity era, is it possible that these Llamas descend from specimens brought involontary on kaimere when they were on boat with Atzec people or others South American ethincs of this time ? And if there if Llamas on Kaimere, are there also Guanaco and Vicuna too ?
The alpacas/llamas of Kaimere were traded by the Olmecs during the Mercantile Age. Both had been domesticated in the Andes 3,000 years before the era of trade. Haven't worked out if only one or both species were traded. That will have to wait to be finalized until the camelid episode.
@@TalesofKaimere I asked this question because : 1 - When kaimerans use the portal to "capture" people on earth at different place during the Antiquity, they capture alway people on boat, and the animals (both domestic and wild) on boat too were also taken too with their originals owners. 2 - if there is Guanaco and Vicuna on Kaimere, you can put them in the Highland of Kaimere region, or put here and here feral Llamas and Alpaca. These two aspects are very interesting ones to explore !
It’s a suprise that the humans of kaimere have managed to succeed at domesticating cats lions out of all cats when we’ve failed multiple times on earth to fully domesticate house ctas
Hey there! I an new to your channel And i am impressed that someone shares the same dream as mine I also am creating my own animals And worlds but i wont publish my work until maybe in a month
The distribution range of the kaimerans lions, depicted here, is wrong ! He's very different from the Lion Day special video and the last Big Cats video ! Lions, on Kaimere, are present on Pakardia north and west borders, all the Free-States territoy's surface and a good big part of Arvel ! But, here, specifiquely, is it the distribution range of the ancestors specimens of the first lions taken by the Nerotan from where all the domestic lions descend and come from ?
I can imagine that if these domesticated Lions have crossbred with wild lions, they will be a nasty monster like how wolfdogs or coyote dog hybrids can be in the wild. I know someone who works for a Rancher in Montana who told me that this can happen with wolf dog and coyote dog hybrids
Absolutely. From what I've read, lots of accounts of man-eater wolves were likely hybrids. Some might have just been wild wolves injured or pressed for territory, but it does make for a serious problem of large predators that have no fear of people. Part of why the nerotans are so careful with their lions was in consultation with Akanuk breeders who have had to deal with wolf hybrids with whale hounds. A 250 pound wolf that views humans as prey is an extremely dangerous prospect, as is a hybrid lion that starts with livestock then graduates to farmers. A lot of the man-eaters in Kaimere are either hybrids of modern domesticates or have heritage from predators domesticated by the First Children.
Yup! Obviously dinosaurs domesticated on Kaimere (currently three species) aren't on Earth, and have one or two camelids also unique to Kaimere. Probably will be more as I develop.
All the Bodyguard lion are females, in fact, since in the cats, and the felidae in general, only the females can have more than 3 colors as the same time ! The most famous pattern is the Calico pattern, aslo called Isabelle pattern or Tortoise Shell pattern. We know that because the genetic determination of coat colors in felines, large or small, is linked to the X chromosome ! On our domestic cats, this pattern is very frequent and even caracteristic of many breed on earth ! Males domestic cats and, here, Kaimeran domestic lions can time to time have a calico pattern, but it's extremely rare (when the cat or the lion have two X chromosomes, making XXY) and are comptelety steriles...
Just to clarify: coats aren't linked to breed. The 'calico' pattern is found throughout the different breeds, not all livestock guardians are black, etc.
To domesticate lions of all things... What did they try to domesticate is the one question that's... Boggling me currently. Did they try to domesticate cockatrices, or megaraptoran? Or... Something else?
Cockatrices haven't been tamed since although young can be quite personable, adults are pretty much across the board too aggressive to domesticate despite many attempts. Megaraptorans are fine for the first ten years or so, happy to take free food, but once they start getting big at like 12-15, they need so much food that keeping them is impractical, and a 6-8 ton predator dependent on settlements for food is, as you can imagine, not a good situation.
@@TalesofKaimere Hey Keenan Taylor I think that your Kaimere is actually portray Pre-Flood World . And also I think that you should do the book called Tales of the Kaimere : The Begining . Here is the story : The Kaimere before Mega Catastrophe ( Massive Flood ) was beatiful planet ( for this you can took inspiration from Pandora (James Cameron Avatar) and Garden of Eden ) filled with various flora and fauna by which some of them beatiful and some of them were strange . The land of pre-flood Kaimere was one single Super Continent called Taah Briiz ( in Proto - Kaimerian language meaning One Earth ) . After the Mega Catastrophe ( wich is actually Mega Flood ) the land masses of Kaimere divided in many continents for themselves . The Proto - Kaimerians were these people : Proto - Kaimerian reason human ( size of the middle tallest people bigger than Earthlings ) . Proto - Kaimerian Giants ( size of the world's tallest humans for example tall as Robert Pershing Wadlow ) Brilliant hunters and climbers through Mega Super Giant Tree's ( after Flood the mountians ) . Proto - Kaimerian Meganors ( super sized Proto - Kaimerian Giants , with the super human strength and Hulk - like body ). Same size as Hulk , even though some of them could grow to the size of Doomsday from Superman , basically around twenty feet tall. Stronger then Proto-Kaimerian normal giants and Proto- Kaimerian Reason Human ( Protohomo Sapiens Kaimeriensis ) . The Flora of Proto- Kaimere ( Taah Briiz ) were Mega Pine Trees , Mega Oaks and Mega Palms . The Fauna of Proto-Kaimere were combinated modern - alien animal hybrids ( for example Garikee Unicorns , quadropedal carnivorus bats , elephant trunk horses , turtlediles , wingless and featherless ratite birds etc ) . The Ocean in Proto - Kaimere was huge and it was called Pârostan in Proto - Kaimerian The Huge Sea ) . One day the Mega Flood happend and everything disapeard , leaving only Garikee Unicorns to survive . And after the Mega Flood the giants trees were destoryed and petrified . And many years later the modern earth humans, plants and animals ( alive and extinct ) came to Kaimere . Here is my idea for book ( The Tales of Kaimere : The Begining ) you can publish my dear Keenan Taylor . It's nice to have you . You are great person and keep going with you channel . Stay cool . ❤❤❤❤
@@TalesofKaimere Well, guess that the first is.. Too dangerous either ways, and the second, awesome as it is, is very impractical, to the point where it does define a white elephant... A shame theropods are either too dangerous to be tamed, much less domesticate...
@@alghoulaj7172 The only way to "tame" with ease and to make docile as the wish of the people a highly dangerous beast or a big animal on Kaimere is to appeal a witch and let him make the animal a familiar ! Familars animals of almost every species should have been very common in ancient kaimere history, especially during the Witch era. But today, no more, they're always witch and familiar animals but their number since this era have highly decrease, and most of the witch prefer to remain hidden...
@@dudotolivier6363 I see. Well, Kaimere is one of the most interesting fictional worlds I had ever read or watched... It's past shrouded in mystery is something... Very intriguing.
Despite that many breeds for specific task were created, at final, most of the breed (except the house one) keep most of their flexibility and can be use in most of the work the nerotans people have to offer them ! Because a Hunter, Bodyguard or War lions must be capable to defend livestock if there any othrs breed present as the same time, or any breeds specimens outside the house breed can be simple pet all their live if their master decide to keep them as well ! After all, the Nerotan who decide to adopt domestic lions as simple interior pet must be not very difficult to choose following their comestic wish (since already there not many). Some will be choose the Black livestok guardian breed for his terrific and thrilling aspect ! Others wil maybe chosse the simple in color but robust War lion for his fiece aspect or the Bodyguard breed for his Calico pattern who give and breath life by his hot orange mixed blakc and whte color ! Or some will maybe choose the generic looking one lion for their primitive and wild vibe ! Who known !? I know, for comparision, a friend who possess greyhound dogs, and he choose them not for they uses but for their shape and colors ! And he care them with high respect and love :)
Despite being domesticated, the Nerotan lion not at all become a complete apart separate specie, or even not become at least a subspecie either, from their wild counterparts ! Because on earth, our modern scientists have tendances to classified domestic animal like dogs, cats, horses or pigs as complete species or subspecies following the case (Ex : dogs = Canis (lupus) familiaris, Cats = Felis (silvestris) catus, Horse = Equus (ferus) caballus etc...). Thus in fact, any of them are, like I said, separate species or subspecies from their mother wild specie ! All of them are just "forms", more precisely "domesticated forms" created by humans in captivity and artificials conditions, and their wild specimens counterparts being representatives of the "Wild/Original base form" of their species, from which the domestic ones descended. If our modern scientists writte the domestic animal like that, it's only, ONLY in order to avoid confusion with ferals population of domestic animals who have returned into nature ! I not like and appreciate that at all ! Since it's not only very lazy like classification, but also because that is by this fact very misleading and disinformation from them ! And that create many confusions ! They should classified them by writting like that : as Canis lupus f. familiaris, Felis silvestris f. catus, Equus ferus f. caballus etc.... Because all of our domesticated animals de have only differs from their wild counterparts by surfaces levels, mainly colors and body shape for comestics uses. Their respective DNA and overall genome of each remaining alsmot identical to the one of their wild counterparts ! It's in reality like that that the things truly are ! And that also open us on many aspects and revelations. Like, from what I explain here, that in reality, the famous Auroch bovid (Bos primigenius) still in fact a living specie and not a historical extinct one ! It's only his wild form who is extinct ! The last known wild pure individual been killed in Poland in 1627... But his Wild form is present on Kaimere ! Btw, if we want to precise from what subspecie the domestic form descended, so in this case, it's Bos primigenius primigenius f. taurus ! (For the cat it's Felis silvestris lybica f. catus, since the first cats were domesticated in Ancient Egypte at almost 4000 before J.C).
Currently they are descended from camelids domesticated by pre-colombian Americans. Likely traded to the Olmecs by Andean peoples. As I get to the camelid episode I will refine this, and they may end up being a translation of other domesticated camelids indigenous to Kaimere. Haven't determined yet.
good video but I have a question: how in the hell they managed to domesticate such dangerous & unpredictable felines when most modern humans failed to “domesticated” them get eaten & torn apart due to those attempts…. (I’m not hating, just asking)
Pretty much the way I outlined in the Tomiran segment: breeding only the most tame individuals, eventually weeding out those who were tame by personality and only keeping those tame by genetics, and from that pool continuing to breed those suited for different tasks. I think it would be doable with real lions, but the process would take so long, demand so many resources, and ultimately produce something that needs way more food, space, and training than dogs that it's pretty rubbish in terms of efficiency. Really only worth doing for the novelty, which is why I had it be a noble's pet project rather than something poor Kaimeran farmers did to make their lives easier or something like that.
Domesticated lions are currently like current earth and kaimeran dogs : docile, obedient to their master and execute with any question all their commands. If Nerotan keep their secret well preserved, one of the key success of the domestication of the Lions must be the fact that, like Wolves for the dogs, lions are social felidae who follow the orders of a alpha. And like in every social species like wolf or lion, like we discovered in captivity and in studies, the alpha can be anything from any others species at the moment that he control the pack. Of course, the specimens concerned must by imprint from their birth or their youngest age to accept and follow this specific alpha. Wolves received any difficulty to follow humans since their respectives hierachies is quite similars. Same for lions ! (even if, in this case, there only one male for many females at the opposite of wolfs and human where groups have many males and females as the same time).
Well even if it's a fantasy universe, domesctic lion have really exist. During the arab gloden age and ottoman empire. Barbary lion were use a guardian. They more use for impressive usage. Roman have tried to use them for war. This didn't work because of the fact that their agressivity. In general the domestic lion where animal use of showing power
What’s with the slide of animals like Tuga, glyptodonts, the wild horse, cockatrice, and turtle-pig there to represent, hypothetically domesticable animals?
@@SupahTrunks7 Actually , after the Flood, the animals were told to “be fruitful and multiply on the earth” (Genesis 8:17). As they did this, natural selection, mutation, and other mechanisms allowed speciation within the kinds to occur. Speciation was necessary for the animals to survive in a very different post-Flood world.
@@SupahTrunks7 But in Bible all 99% life on Earth ( Alive and Extinct ) descendet from " their kinds " . For example , we have 14 true crocodile species from one original crocodile . But what are they ? The crocodile . We have 18 species of Darwin's finches and all of them have the same ancestor .
honestly, im surprised lions or African Wild dogs, or hyenas werent domesticated in Africa. All social predators like wolves. Im curios as to why its didnt happen, but did with wolves
One of the more important traits needed for domestication is an adaptable diet that's easy for people to obtain. Being cats, lions are obligate carnivores and need to feed on meat, which is difficult and/or expensive, and being big also means they need a lot of it. I'd imagine that the people of the Qajarith Republic have an ample amount of livestock to even be able to feed these lions to justify keeping them.
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You know there's real magic in Kaimere when humans managed to domesticate lions while we failed to fully domesticate house cats :D
Tbf, lions are already predisposed to living in groups whereas cats are mostly solitary.
at least lions are actually social animals with a hierarchy, no other cats are like that including house cats, you'll notice that vast majority of the animals that we are the most successful at domesticating are very social like dogs, livestock, parrots, poultry, horses, etc.
Um, actually Kaimerans are not humans since they have pointed ears, long lifespans, and can use magic
@@burksaurus9410aka human
@@ezzeldintamer8779 Well, I just don't call them humans since they're a different species.
The idea of big predatory cats like lions being domesticated is pretty adorable
Never knew I needed to see a ragdoll or calico lion, but hey I'm not complaining. These guys are adorable.
Thanks!!
Domestication is something that is really fascinating to me. I feel like a lot of people assume that domesticated animals would look similar or the same as the wild counterparts but nobody really takes into consideration the amount of anatomical changes that dogs and cats went through the process of domestication. This video is really well done! I kind of want a domestic lion now lol! Too bad that they don’t exist on earth 😔.
Also sorry for not being active on the channel recently. This final season was brutal 😖.
Thank you! Yeah from what I was reading a lot of the physiological changes can happen in as little as 3-5 generations based on the fox study, so after over a thousand generations, I figured these lions would be quite distinct from their ancestors.
@@TalesofKaimere But they still just domestic form of their wild ancestors, not a complete specie or not at all a subspecie of their mother specie either !
BTW, are there tamed/domestic fox on kaimere ?
Badass! Big cats being domesticated is such a great concept and you’ve brought it to life pretty effectively. I like how their color patterns are all over the place like with most dog breeds, too.
Thank you!!
Here is a domesticated animal you might not expect on Objecia: The aptly named "Domesticated Harold's Whale". They are a subspecies of the Dwarf Harold's Whale, and is the smallest Harold's Whale. Like dogs and cats, there are many breeds of domesticated Harold's Whales. They are like underwater horses, you can ride using a waterproof saddle. They are the only domesticated baleen whales on Objecia. There are 50 breeds of Domesticated Harold's Whales. Largest Breed being the Taurnian Harold's Whale, which is first domesticated not from Objecia, but from a planet in Hurricane Galaxy called "Taurnian".
That's really neat! Never heard anyone explore domesticated cetaceans before.
I love that they have varied coat colors and different proportions to their wild counterparts! It’s something that often gets missed when fantasy authors introduce their own domestic species and I’m so happy to see it so well thought out.
I’m curious, are we going to get a full list of the domestic species in Kaimere? This including both unique domestication events in the Known World and the ones brought over from Earth. Domestication is a subject I’m fascinated by.
Thank you!!
If I get a sponsored episode on the subject I will try. At the moment there would be too much art I'd have to do. I'm hoping to do clade by clade first (dogs, horses, camelids, and cattle each should get their own episode first). I am planning on a few dinosaurs as well. There's no full list since' it's still in development and people get confused if I make lists while things are still in development because I add and remove things as time goes on.
This makes me wonder what species I'll have domesticated in my own worldbuilding project.
As Dr. Naish has said in a couple articles, domestication has a lot more potential than is widely understood. While a lot of animals *can* be domesticated given enough time and care, most of them simply aren't worth the effort. These lions were worth it to defend livestock from a wide range of large predators, but dogs are WAY more efficient in terms of upkeep, training, and diet.
I totally get that. Dogs are more about endurance than cats, so they don't waste as much energy when hunting for prey. Even so, a lot of wild dogs eat almost the whole carcass when they make a kill. But what about dinosaurs? Are there some that are worth domesticating, you think?
@@sivanlevi3867 Large theropods are occasionally successfully tamed, but it's really just for the novelty, but none domesticated. I do plan on a domesticated population of the common drake bred for meat. Something that can hit 2 tons in about a year on basically a diet of whatever it can find is the perfect livestock for impoverished people. Their meat is a reflection of their own diet so giving it trash isn't going to give a good yield, but with a mix of grain, grass, ferns, and cycads, they can offer decent meat with minimal upkeep, time, and cost.
Amazing. Have you read James Gurney's Dinotopia books by any chance?
Would love to see the other domestics of Kaimere.
I never see Qajar region with many attention to this day, but I must admitt, this region is quite interesting in many ways !
With three separate sub-regions, separated by rivers : The mountains region where the Logger Village is, the Nerotan lands and the Qajarith Republic birth region !
Currently, if I well understood, all these regions are reunited under the same banner after a ancient last conflict, with the Nerotan surenderred because of economic issues !
Complex history but interesting !
That is absolutely correct! There's basically three factions and tensions are pretty high between them.
The idea of fully domesticated lions is fascinating, and I like how you gave them unique color variations. It makes it much more realistic since we have many color variations with domesticated dogs and cats here on Earth. Great job on these. I do have a few questions, though.
1. Do Nerotan Lions sometimes breed with wild lions, similar to how domestic dogs have been known to breed with wild canids like wolves, coyotes, and dingos? If so, what are those mixed-bred lions like, and how has it affected the wild population?
2. Do they get along with other domesticated species like dogs, cats, and so on?
3. What is the social structure of Qajarith lions like? I know you said that they live in prides, unlike lions outside the Qajarith, but are they like what you see in lions of Africa, or are they more similar to wolf packs with the leaders being a mated pair with the rest being their offspring, or somewhere in between?
Since you said that Lady Tomiran took advice from dog breeders, this might help explain how she was able to domesticate them.
Thanks!
1. They do sometimes and it's a serious problem. It makes basically the perfect man-eater: stocky like a domesticated lion but large, subtle, and predatory like wild lions. Most dangerously they are predisposed to be comfortable around people. Livestock guardians are most often exposed to wild cousins. They are fixed after they reach adulthood so they can reach maximum size, but ensuring they grow up strong and aggressive does leave a window wherein they sometimes mate with wild lions. Hunter lions are sometimes not fixed and this can also lead to hybrids.
2. It depends on the individual personalities but yes they are usually amiable with other pets and will usually take on a dominant protector role in pet dynamics.
3. The prides are smaller than some African prides get. Usually 1-3 related females and one mate. This is especially the case with lions living near people. The forests to the north have larger prides.
Yes, Lady Tomiran worked not with a Qajarith dog breeder, who tend to breed for both aesthetic and function, and instead went with the Akanuk, known for their dogs being in pristine health and predictable temperament because the priority is on those traits instead of a uniform breed aesthetic. Tomiran chose to do this because she wanted her lions to be healthy and predictable, not necessarily uniform, and that legacy was carried down well.
The lions. Let's Go!!!!
Very much enjoyed this one. Domestication of new animals is always fascinating.
Thank you!!
On earth, the great sizes cats who are the most easier to tame and keep as pets are the African Cheetah (Acionyx jubatus) and the Snow Leopard (Panthera uncia) !
The Ancient Egyptian lords and kings at their time oftently keep cheetahs as pets (and some north afrian populations/tribe currently keep as well cheetah time to time).
One of the most famous Cheetah is Chiquita, the favorite pet of the famous Josephine Baker !
The Snow Leopard, him, is quite easy to keep in captivity, and was in ancient era tame as pet, but tht was rare.
In modern modern time, all the Big Cats are tamable, but must be extremely tame from their youngest age, and even, people alway must be careful because specimens can have violent and impredictible reactions !
Human alway must have a dominant posture toward them and any freedom must be taken twoward them.
Also, at final, despite the our domestic cat were domesticated mainly from Egyptian time, any change on their behavior since this period was made. In fact, house cats have remain like their wild ancestors were, why just their physical appearance having change, for cosmetic use, their mains utilities ones remaining mostly the same in addition of the simple house pet aspect.
Overall, house cats are just, in many, a specie who take advantage of human settlement to be keep and feed for free to assure their own life and security ! (yo the point we can put into question their denomination of "domestic". It's should be preferable to call them not as a entire specie or subspecie, but like a captive population in this case).
Because, when an animal find a way to make easier and more secure his life, he applied it !
This aspect also increase their killing for pleasure, since they must always "left off steam", and this aspect cause most of the ecologicals disaters domestic cats made around the world !
So, yes, this video open the eyes on a pretty big and important subject !
Great to get a look at some of the domesticated animal of Kaimere.
Heck yeah!
Man I tell ya this is an amazing concept! I especially love the livestock guardian lion!
Thank you! I’m quite fond of them too.
@@TalesofKaimere your a cool dude for responding, most people would just ignore a comment after so long.
Honestly the biggest roadblock to taming then domesticating large carnivores on Earth wasn't that they are dangerous, wolves are plenty dangerous apex predators as well, it was that large carnivores like big cats and bears would require too much high quality food (notably meat) for hunter/gatherers to afford to feed them. As large as a wolf is its food requirements are far less than that of a big cat or bear and larger domesticated animals were primarily domesticated because they primarily eat things we can't most notably grass. In another timeline, with a kinder fate that would have afforded it we may have had domesticated lions of our own.
This is funny because, I had the same idea with the War Lions of Lion shapeshifting!
This has got to be one of my favorite videos of Kaimeran fauna yet Keenan! Really inspires me to work harder on my own project's domesticated animals. If I may inquire what kind of Music didya use for this vid? I'd really like to hear it standalone and vibe with it lol
Holy shit this episode was excellent. I have fallen in love with Kaimere and damn domesticated lions are absolutely brilliant. I wish Kaimere existed in real would love to visit it especially Qajar
Thank you!!!
I gotta be real w u fam, that side wipe transition used a few times in the beginning especially made me feel nauseous. Was glad you switched to different transition effects once I began typing this comment. Page turn I think it best. Oh no there is that wipe only downward this time. Makes me feel vertigo on g my mans
My bad! I like them a lot (gives an old timey slide reel vibes) but I can definitely tone it down. Little bit goes a long way and all that
I dare someone to put a box in front of the nerotan Lions and see how they react to boxes.
There might be some play but I would be surprised if they just sat in it (assuming its a big enough box).
A lion charging at an azdarchid as it’s about to fly away is so metal
This episode blindsided me with how good it was. Was expecting to like it but not as much as the last few but it went really in depth and got me enamored.
1. Do lions fight with azdarchids often both wild and domestic, and how does it go?
2. Could those perfect man eaters you mention in other comments theoretically be used as a new breed theoretically? (Such as in another war)
3. Is magic used at least partially to alter the lions in any cases?
1. Depends on the azhdarchid. Larger ones have a serious reach advantage, but lions are expert grapplers. Usually the pterosaurs take off when they spot approaching lions, and their takeoff speed combined with their insane field of vision means that they're usually successful in that respect.
2. Possibly. It would really need to be case by case. A very experienced trainer could work with these as war lions but would have to be super careful since they would be more aggressive and unpredictable. Although they would be stronger and more lethal than a domesticated war lion, war lions are already more than capable of overpowering a person, so there isn't much point in a lion with even greater strength, especially if you aren't sure you can control it.
3. There are very few people with magic inclinations in Qajar, but the Nerotans are an exception. They have a lot of herbal witches that use magic to improve people's health, and these potions/tinctures can extend the lives and overall health of lions. Doesn't make them enhanced much physically, but faster healing, endurance, and longer life potential combined with enhanced overall health is used sometimes and can definitely be considered an alteration.
This is interesting! This makes we wish that Kaimere exists and that the Kaimeran people imported domestic lions to Earth as guardian animals and household pets.
I like the tamed one
Now I'm wishing I could have one of these. I love the livestock guardian.
I had so much fun designing them!
In my speculative evolution project, the “Alternate Pleistocene” humans domesticated Scimitar-toothed cats (Homotherium) as hunting companions during the Paleolithic, alongside wolves and falcons.
The falcons were used to spot the prey, the wolves were used to harass the prey, and the scimitar-toothed cats were used to dispatch it.
Later, their uses would extend to livestock guardianship when agriculture became a thing, and then guard animals and then beloved companions.
There aren’t too many different breeds, and most differences are just down to physical size, temperament, and pelt colors and styles.
I just think the concept of domesticated Homotherium is pretty cool.
My favorite of the domesticated lion pelt schemes is the spotted house lion. First watching this episode I had remind myself that I am looking at lions and not dogs.
Thanks! I did look to dogs for a lot of pelt inspiration.
Hey Keenan Taylor when the will you do the video called Mustelids of Kaimere ? I would like to see that video .
It's on the roster!
We have a colossal problem whit feral horses, boars, dogs and cats, imagine the chaos whit feral lions.
Awesome vídeo.
Question: in kaimere what kind of domesticated animal is more popular? Dogs or domestic lions?
Well since the Nerotans haven't shared their lions outside the family, dogs are definitely more popular. Also dogs need way less food and are a lot easier to maintain.
@@TalesofKaimere GOOD man’s best friend is and always will be on top of humans most loyal and amazing friends
Great video again! Domestication is a quite interesting subject and seems to be somewhat underrated in speculative evolution projects.
4.23 Did i understand correctly, that there are domesticated dinosaurs on Kaimere?
There are indeed! Three species of small ornithopod. One for meat, one for racing/package delivery, and one for down.
@@TalesofKaimere
I am looking forward to seeing them. I could imagine that some dinosaur species with noticeable display structures, would look even more crazy, if they are domesticated.
See again the Parksosaurs of Kaimere video to better understand !
It's maybe an old video, but still great as an entry, with any inconsistencies !
Also, Kaimeran also use some Alvarezsaurid species against nuisible insects !
In Kaimere: humans tamed freaking LIONS
On Earth: wildcats tamed humans
Awwsome ( aww + awesome )
Btw wanna hear how domesticated animals are doin in the biodome
Well yes my friend.
The idea of domesticated lions is sopimuksen badass!
I mean so.
Damm phone😅
How are you doing this, Keenan? This is amazing!
How did you know I love lions?
Thank you!!
@@TalesofKaimere Can you try domestic wolves or hyenas?
Could you cover the domestic bears next? I find the neat
Sorry for any confusion: the domesticated bears were a commission for another project. There are no domesticated bears in Kaimere
@@TalesofKaimere no, from another project
Random question : Who is the girl, by her shadow, we see at 1:24 and on all the Magic of Kaimere (pranksters, homunculies, skin-changers and witch of kaimere) title screens videos and who look at, with a torch, the cave paintings ?
In what context she is ?
That is Emahari, one of the main characters in my upcoming novel! In that sequence she's going through some ancient caves with a lot of Kaimere's history written on them, which makes for a convenient platform for historical pieces.
@@TalesofKaimere The Hellfighter story look very exciting, with Elijah and Emahari ! Two really well made characters !
I think that Emahari already appear in one of the previous novellas, when she encounter a banished young Kaimeran women in the jungle (I forget her name), but this women being the main protagonist of this story (and also becoming a Skin-changer like Emahari since I see some art showing her becoming an Indrakai !).
In any case, it's great to see that Elijah and Emahari were meant to meet them togethers since the early beginning of the story and even the universe of Kaimere itself ! Like this is shown in Elijah and the Hellfighter presentation video !
I also like a lot Emahari, since she's a powerfull d'Oman, the kind to bé almost baddass in every aspects !
A positive woman and feminist depiction (as Lara Croft's Tomb Raider for example).
A bit of a late question, but I am curious: Given both would be closely related (at least, I assume), have there ever been any attempts to either hybridize the Nerotan lions with Arvelith Cave Lions, attempts to domesticate the Cave Lions, or any possibility of both, or are the Arvelith Cave Lions considered too dangerous by even the Nerotans?
A livestock guardian lion that would be dope
Like the domesticated lions and the world building to. Now I just want to domesticate any wild animal I see.
They're big kitties
so keenan when will you be doing a video on kaimeres krakens
On earth, we use many breeds of medium/big dogs to defend livestock against predators like wolves, bears, lynx in Europe, or big cats in Africa. On Kaimere, sure that dogs are use for similars uses but since here most of the predators or more deadly and big than any wolves, bears or lynx, any breed of dog are sufficient enought to face the local megafauna predators. So using already big predators breed again these magafauna carnivores is completely clever and understandable.
But it's also interesting that the nerotan use dogs too in hunts. Because lions still feline and feline are ambush predators that can chase the preys during long distances. Dogs and canidae, them, are endurant species.
So, it's cool and very clever that Nerotan people, in hunts, use dogs to scare the game away and redirect it towards the lions which stop and kill them !
And at least, that made on of the few case where dogs and cats are equal and must get along well :)
what kind of dinossaurs have kaimerans domesticated
So far there are three species of thescelosaur planned.
Human: We have successfully domesticated wolves and bred them into dogs.
Kaimeran: We have successfully domesticated lions and bred them into war machines.
Me: It doesn’t matter. Both are badass!
Do you think you could make some dnd stats for some of the animals in kaimere
If any big cats were going to be domesticated, lions make the most sence do to them being social animal like woves
Good thing that they didn't turn out with the attitude of house cats and are more like dogs in some ways. Otherwise it would be the most disastrous pet ever.
haha very true! Will still smack your drink off the table though.
So, overall, there 6 kind of domestic lions the Nerotan have :
- the Hunter lion breed : dark brown coat with the tip of the front legs, the forehead and the behind of pure white. Very short mane for males.
- the Bodayguard lion(ness) breed : Calico coat (mix of orange, black and white colors as the same time). Any mane (since they're are all females, since calico coat is exclusive to females in felidae species).
- the Livestock guardian lion breed : Dark black coat, outside that, overall physical appearance and bodyplan highly similar to wild lions.
- the House lion breed : No mane, greysih white color with dark black spots on the body (like a typical cow/cattle XD !)
- the War lion breed : No mane. Grey color with tips of the legs, forehead and tail dark black.
- and generic looking lions : like we can see in many picture, Nerotan always have generic looking lions among their domestic breeds, looks all like wild lions. The only difference is, of course, their docility and obedience to their masters resulting of selection.
Must have not been clear enough in the episode: there is no link between breed and coat. Black lions are found throughout the breeds, as are calicos, piebald, spotted, and base coats of red, white, black, gold, brown, and grey. The 'Siamese cat' pattern of the war lion is a rare coat but again, not exclusive to war lions. The regular lions of the sketches have a range of these coat colors that just doesn't really come through since it's a sketch.
Hey Keenan little unrelated from the subject in the video but was wondering if there is a list of some of the harvest time periods prior to the dynastic extinction, I’ve always been curious if there might be a few holdovers from the Jurassic or even if there were harvest during the Eocene or not.
Nope.
"Few Kaimeran animals have been domesticated" I'm assuming the accompanying image is of those few domesticated animals?
I would love to know more about the domestication of glyptodon, the beaver and the ankylosaur, are they for meat? How "domestic" are they?
Awesome, an domesticated lion are cool. I am curious can they cross breed with wild lion, like wolf-dog?
They absolutely can! Such unions are avoided at all costs, since this breeds lions comfortable around humans but larger, more predatory, and a lot more aggressive, basically the perfect man-eater.
Now that we have lions, peccaries, and cattle, I would like to know more about that Nerotan chimera entelodont. What happened to it in Qajar?
Was an animal traded to it. Was ridden during the warring lords period and died after a couple decades of old age
We’re do you get the music for your videos because is so good?
It’s all from Epidemic Sounds! Tons of free music that’s mostly instrumental and perfect for this sort of video.
@@TalesofKaimere we’re can I find them?
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Random question : Like you said in this video, Domestic lions who keep livestock animals (mainly the Black Livestock Guardian breed) defend these later and fight against their wild lions counterparts (who are mostly identical to modern earth lions, even if some specimens can be truly giant and monstrous, more bigger than normal lions as stated in your Lion's Day special video), local Cockatrices, Big Pterosaurs such the locals Banshee Gull and Titan Crow, or even leopards.
But like we can clearly see on the throne of Tannus nerotov, lions fight aslo time to time homunculies too !
So, outside the fact that must be btw fuckingly exciting, awesome and cool to see I easily presume ;) :
1 - how the fight between lions and homunculies are ?
2 - In general, how the lions manage to win or defend themselves against the homunculies ?
3 - Often, one always has the advantages over the others or is it 50/50 ?
4 - How is the Nerotan relatioship and view on Homunculies/demons ?
5 - Lions who survived an humonculies fight are regarded as heroes and rewarded (and can even became legends) ?
6 - Nothing to see with the subject, but to conclude, Nerotan people are the only persons and country to have domestic lions, right ? So that means that the others Qajarith people outside the Nerotan's country/lands (like the ones of the logger Village in the Mountains region and the birth lands of the Qajarith Republic) have any domestic lions and only dogs to protect them ?
1. Well homunculi are quite rare in the Republic now so these fights aren't common.
2. Depends on the homunculus. Some can be taken down by a single lion, others take a few. They run into the same issue as the ru kel in that they can't actually kill a homunculus, but if they restrain it, their ranger with an enchanted sword can finish the job!
3. Again it depends on the homunculus/demon. Usually homunculi have the advantage.
4. Nerotans view demons and homunculi as dangerous beings to be eliminated. Pretty typical Kaimeran opinion.
5. They absolutely are.
6. House Nerotok are the only ones with lions. Although many have been stolen and smuggled over the years, the secrets of breeding, training, and caring for them means that none of these smuggled lions are good pets or companions for outsiders, especially since they imprint on Nerotans. There are no reliable lions domesticated outside of Nerotan lands, and in the Republic, it is illegal to have them if you aren't certified, since there's a good chance they could mate with wild lions and make the perfect man eater: a wild predatory lion with the genetics to be comfortable around Kaimerans and rely on them for food.
its just an idea but on the subject in domestication an azhdarchid could be domesticated and small people(city wok child labour) can fly them for recon and kaimerians are smaller than earth humans so it could be possible
It's definitely possible! The basic concept of kids riding them is used by one of the thescelosaurs for fast package delivery especially in an urban context where horses aren't as efficient.
@@TalesofKaimere well too bad they aint skinks
Nice video though I think it quite hard to domesticated lions, but you put such believably in this strange and dangerous world
Thank you! Yeah it certainly wouldn’t work under the conventional domestication process but I think this way, as a passion project using tame individuals purely for the novelty that later found a range of utility, is the only way I could really think of it working out.
Very interesting the skull changes in the domesticated lions respect their wild counterparts. Who wouldn't have an house lion 😁? Sometimes ask to myself how could be the story of mankind if lions, the only big cats with a social structure, were objects of a serious attempt of taming if not a real domestication. Maybe hadn't the same important consequences of th the horses taming (for example) but is an interesting speculation (at least for me)
LOVE IT!!!!!
Man, looking at some of them and you describing the traits, it reminded me of the domesticated foxes in Siberia :)
Indeed! That sort of intentional and meticulous domestication process was pretty heavily inspired by those foxes.
Well it’s official, if I’m going to be reincarnated in Kaimere, it’s going to be a nerotan
There's is something extra regal about domesticated lions.
It is a super fun concept to explore. Very noble.
@@TalesofKaimere I have considered something similar with the likes of Jaguars and Hyenas. The latter certainly inspired by one theory about the Beast of Gevaudan.
this is so badass
wdym? this goodass
Heck yeah!
Are in Kaimere tame chickens, ducks, geese, turkeys, peacocks, pheasants, quails, etc.?????
There are most of those, yes.
@@TalesofKaimere At least ! Good ! Maybe not domesticated, but at least present in the wild !
You know this reminds me a lot of tiger king.
Random question : How many South American harvest, after and excluding the one at 6,9 - 5,9 mya ?
Because, there is Llamas on kaimere as you stated here... But these ungulates came in South America only at almsot 2,5 million years ago when the Great American Interchange between the North and South Continent !
But since Kaimeran use the Portal to brought on Kaimere differents humans ethnics during the Antiquity era, is it possible that these Llamas descend from specimens brought involontary on kaimere when they were on boat with Atzec people or others South American ethincs of this time ?
And if there if Llamas on Kaimere, are there also Guanaco and Vicuna too ?
The alpacas/llamas of Kaimere were traded by the Olmecs during the Mercantile Age. Both had been domesticated in the Andes 3,000 years before the era of trade. Haven't worked out if only one or both species were traded. That will have to wait to be finalized until the camelid episode.
@@TalesofKaimere I asked this question because :
1 - When kaimerans use the portal to "capture" people on earth at different place during the Antiquity, they capture alway people on boat, and the animals (both domestic and wild) on boat too were also taken too with their originals owners.
2 - if there is Guanaco and Vicuna on Kaimere, you can put them in the Highland of Kaimere region, or put here and here feral Llamas and Alpaca.
These two aspects are very interesting ones to explore !
It’s a suprise that the humans of kaimere have managed to succeed at domesticating cats lions out of all cats when we’ve failed multiple times on earth to fully domesticate house ctas
Actually, Kaimerans are not humans. They're their own species being similar to elves given their pointed ears, lifespans, magic, and size
@@burksaurus9410 don’t care I still refer to them as humans because it’s easier
@@rylanbrewer3320 Well, I'm just saying that so I can tell the difference between them.
Hey there! I an new to your channel
And i am impressed that someone shares the same dream as mine
I also am creating my own animals
And worlds but i wont publish my work until maybe in a month
Thank you and best of luck with your publishing!
a lion breed you should add. A sheep like one breed for his furr. Only male prides of those lions are there and the mane covers the whole body!
The distribution range of the kaimerans lions, depicted here, is wrong !
He's very different from the Lion Day special video and the last Big Cats video !
Lions, on Kaimere, are present on Pakardia north and west borders, all the Free-States territoy's surface and a good big part of Arvel !
But, here, specifiquely, is it the distribution range of the ancestors specimens of the first lions taken by the Nerotan from where all the domestic lions descend and come from ?
Yeah sorry about that confusion! That was an outdated slide.
I can imagine that if these domesticated Lions have crossbred with wild lions, they will be a nasty monster like how wolfdogs or coyote dog hybrids can be in the wild. I know someone who works for a Rancher in Montana who told me that this can happen with wolf dog and coyote dog hybrids
Absolutely. From what I've read, lots of accounts of man-eater wolves were likely hybrids. Some might have just been wild wolves injured or pressed for territory, but it does make for a serious problem of large predators that have no fear of people. Part of why the nerotans are so careful with their lions was in consultation with Akanuk breeders who have had to deal with wolf hybrids with whale hounds. A 250 pound wolf that views humans as prey is an extremely dangerous prospect, as is a hybrid lion that starts with livestock then graduates to farmers. A lot of the man-eaters in Kaimere are either hybrids of modern domesticates or have heritage from predators domesticated by the First Children.
Are there any other animals that have been domesticated on kaimere that haven't been domesticated on Earth?
Yup! Obviously dinosaurs domesticated on Kaimere (currently three species) aren't on Earth, and have one or two camelids also unique to Kaimere. Probably will be more as I develop.
All the Bodyguard lion are females, in fact, since in the cats, and the felidae in general, only the females can have more than 3 colors as the same time !
The most famous pattern is the Calico pattern, aslo called Isabelle pattern or Tortoise Shell pattern.
We know that because the genetic determination of coat colors in felines, large or small, is linked to the X chromosome !
On our domestic cats, this pattern is very frequent and even caracteristic of many breed on earth !
Males domestic cats and, here, Kaimeran domestic lions can time to time have a calico pattern, but it's extremely rare (when the cat or the lion have two X chromosomes, making XXY) and are comptelety steriles...
Just to clarify: coats aren't linked to breed. The 'calico' pattern is found throughout the different breeds, not all livestock guardians are black, etc.
@@TalesofKaimere Okay, but the rest of my explanation still right !
Science has again spoke !
To domesticate lions of all things... What did they try to domesticate is the one question that's... Boggling me currently. Did they try to domesticate cockatrices, or megaraptoran? Or... Something else?
Cockatrices haven't been tamed since although young can be quite personable, adults are pretty much across the board too aggressive to domesticate despite many attempts. Megaraptorans are fine for the first ten years or so, happy to take free food, but once they start getting big at like 12-15, they need so much food that keeping them is impractical, and a 6-8 ton predator dependent on settlements for food is, as you can imagine, not a good situation.
@@TalesofKaimere Hey Keenan Taylor I think that your Kaimere is actually portray Pre-Flood World . And also I think that you should do the book called Tales of the Kaimere : The Begining . Here is the story : The Kaimere before Mega Catastrophe ( Massive Flood ) was beatiful planet ( for this you can took inspiration from Pandora (James Cameron Avatar) and Garden of Eden ) filled with various flora and fauna by which some of them beatiful and some of them were strange . The land of pre-flood Kaimere was one single Super Continent called Taah Briiz ( in Proto - Kaimerian language meaning One Earth ) . After the Mega Catastrophe ( wich is actually Mega Flood ) the land masses of Kaimere divided in many continents for themselves . The Proto - Kaimerians were these people : Proto - Kaimerian reason human ( size of the middle tallest people bigger than Earthlings ) . Proto - Kaimerian Giants ( size of the world's tallest humans for example tall as Robert Pershing Wadlow ) Brilliant hunters and climbers through Mega Super Giant Tree's ( after Flood the mountians ) . Proto - Kaimerian Meganors ( super sized Proto - Kaimerian Giants , with the super human strength and Hulk - like body ). Same size as Hulk , even though some of them could grow to the size of Doomsday from Superman , basically around twenty feet tall. Stronger then Proto-Kaimerian normal giants and Proto- Kaimerian Reason Human ( Protohomo Sapiens Kaimeriensis ) . The Flora of Proto- Kaimere ( Taah Briiz ) were Mega Pine Trees , Mega Oaks and Mega Palms . The Fauna of Proto-Kaimere were combinated modern - alien animal hybrids ( for example Garikee Unicorns , quadropedal carnivorus bats , elephant trunk horses , turtlediles , wingless and featherless ratite birds etc ) . The Ocean in Proto - Kaimere was huge and it was called Pârostan in Proto - Kaimerian The Huge Sea ) . One day the Mega Flood happend and everything disapeard , leaving only Garikee Unicorns to survive . And after the Mega Flood the giants trees were destoryed and petrified . And many years later the modern earth humans, plants and animals ( alive and extinct ) came to Kaimere . Here is my idea for book ( The Tales of Kaimere : The Begining ) you can publish my dear Keenan Taylor . It's nice to have you . You are great person and keep going with you channel . Stay cool . ❤❤❤❤
@@TalesofKaimere Well, guess that the first is.. Too dangerous either ways, and the second, awesome as it is, is very impractical, to the point where it does define a white elephant... A shame theropods are either too dangerous to be tamed, much less domesticate...
@@alghoulaj7172 The only way to "tame" with ease and to make docile as the wish of the people a highly dangerous beast or a big animal on Kaimere is to appeal a witch and let him make the animal a familiar !
Familars animals of almost every species should have been very common in ancient kaimere history, especially during the Witch era.
But today, no more, they're always witch and familiar animals but their number since this era have highly decrease, and most of the witch prefer to remain hidden...
@@dudotolivier6363 I see. Well, Kaimere is one of the most interesting fictional worlds I had ever read or watched... It's past shrouded in mystery is something... Very intriguing.
are there subspecies on kaimere
No
Despite that many breeds for specific task were created, at final, most of the breed (except the house one) keep most of their flexibility and can be use in most of the work the nerotans people have to offer them !
Because a Hunter, Bodyguard or War lions must be capable to defend livestock if there any othrs breed present as the same time, or any breeds specimens outside the house breed can be simple pet all their live if their master decide to keep them as well !
After all, the Nerotan who decide to adopt domestic lions as simple interior pet must be not very difficult to choose following their comestic wish (since already there not many).
Some will be choose the Black livestok guardian breed for his terrific and thrilling aspect ! Others wil maybe chosse the simple in color but robust War lion for his fiece aspect or the Bodyguard breed for his Calico pattern who give and breath life by his hot orange mixed blakc and whte color !
Or some will maybe choose the generic looking one lion for their primitive and wild vibe !
Who known !?
I know, for comparision, a friend who possess greyhound dogs, and he choose them not for they uses but for their shape and colors ! And he care them with high respect and love :)
What happens if you stepped on lion?
Despite being domesticated, the Nerotan lion not at all become a complete apart separate specie, or even not become at least a subspecie either, from their wild counterparts !
Because on earth, our modern scientists have tendances to classified domestic animal like dogs, cats, horses or pigs as complete species or subspecies following the case (Ex : dogs = Canis (lupus) familiaris, Cats = Felis (silvestris) catus, Horse = Equus (ferus) caballus etc...).
Thus in fact, any of them are, like I said, separate species or subspecies from their mother wild specie !
All of them are just "forms", more precisely "domesticated forms" created by humans in captivity and artificials conditions, and their wild specimens counterparts being representatives of the "Wild/Original base form" of their species, from which the domestic ones descended.
If our modern scientists writte the domestic animal like that, it's only, ONLY in order to avoid confusion with ferals population of domestic animals who have returned into nature !
I not like and appreciate that at all ! Since it's not only very lazy like classification, but also because that is by this fact very misleading and disinformation from them ! And that create many confusions !
They should classified them by writting like that :
as Canis lupus f. familiaris, Felis silvestris f. catus, Equus ferus f. caballus etc....
Because all of our domesticated animals de have only differs from their wild counterparts by surfaces levels, mainly colors and body shape for comestics uses. Their respective DNA and overall genome of each remaining alsmot identical to the one of their wild counterparts !
It's in reality like that that the things truly are !
And that also open us on many aspects and revelations.
Like, from what I explain here, that in reality, the famous Auroch bovid (Bos primigenius) still in fact a living specie and not a historical extinct one !
It's only his wild form who is extinct ! The last known wild pure individual been killed in Poland in 1627...
But his Wild form is present on Kaimere !
Btw, if we want to precise from what subspecie the domestic form descended, so in this case, it's Bos primigenius primigenius f. taurus !
(For the cat it's Felis silvestris lybica f. catus, since the first cats were domesticated in Ancient Egypte at almost 4000 before J.C).
Are the Qajarith Llamas independently domesticated from Earth Llamas or did they come from Andean Pre-Columbian cultures?
Currently they are descended from camelids domesticated by pre-colombian Americans. Likely traded to the Olmecs by Andean peoples. As I get to the camelid episode I will refine this, and they may end up being a translation of other domesticated camelids indigenous to Kaimere. Haven't determined yet.
good video but I have a question: how in the hell they managed to domesticate such dangerous & unpredictable felines when most modern humans failed to “domesticated” them get eaten & torn apart due to those attempts….
(I’m not hating, just asking)
Pretty much the way I outlined in the Tomiran segment: breeding only the most tame individuals, eventually weeding out those who were tame by personality and only keeping those tame by genetics, and from that pool continuing to breed those suited for different tasks. I think it would be doable with real lions, but the process would take so long, demand so many resources, and ultimately produce something that needs way more food, space, and training than dogs that it's pretty rubbish in terms of efficiency. Really only worth doing for the novelty, which is why I had it be a noble's pet project rather than something poor Kaimeran farmers did to make their lives easier or something like that.
@@TalesofKaimere oh…
Domesticated lions are currently like current earth and kaimeran dogs : docile, obedient to their master and execute with any question all their commands.
If Nerotan keep their secret well preserved, one of the key success of the domestication of the Lions must be the fact that, like Wolves for the dogs, lions are social felidae who follow the orders of a alpha.
And like in every social species like wolf or lion, like we discovered in captivity and in studies, the alpha can be anything from any others species at the moment that he control the pack. Of course, the specimens concerned must by imprint from their birth or their youngest age to accept and follow this specific alpha.
Wolves received any difficulty to follow humans since their respectives hierachies is quite similars.
Same for lions ! (even if, in this case, there only one male for many females at the opposite of wolfs and human where groups have many males and females as the same time).
Do chickens exist on Kaimere? Or was there another bird domesticated for eggs?
There are chickens along with many birds unique to Kaimere.
@@TalesofKaimere Chicken video !!!!!!
Kaimere ice age
what about cheetha ancesstor
are there in kaimere
No cheetahs in Kaimere.
are there any real "feral" domesticated lions?
Occasionally but the nerotans are pretty quick to put down any lions that go rogue.
Well even if it's a fantasy universe, domesctic lion have really exist. During the arab gloden age and ottoman empire. Barbary lion were use a guardian. They more use for impressive usage. Roman have tried to use them for war. This didn't work because of the fact that their agressivity. In general the domestic lion where animal use of showing power
It is quite the flex!
Big fluffy baby's ❤
What if these kitties got the zoomies?
What’s with the slide of animals like Tuga, glyptodonts, the wild horse, cockatrice, and turtle-pig there to represent, hypothetically domesticable animals?
I believe that is a list of all the animals that have successfully been domesticated already in the known world of kaimere
@@SupahTrunks7 Actually , after the Flood, the animals were told to “be fruitful and multiply on the earth” (Genesis 8:17). As they did this, natural selection, mutation, and other mechanisms allowed speciation within the kinds to occur. Speciation was necessary for the animals to survive in a very different post-Flood world.
@@SupahTrunks7 But in Bible all 99% life on Earth ( Alive and Extinct ) descendet from " their kinds " . For example , we have 14 true crocodile species from one original crocodile . But what are they ? The crocodile . We have 18 species of Darwin's finches and all of them have the same ancestor .
@@SupahTrunks7 There was evidence of flood my friend .
@@SupahTrunks7 Any of these have been domesticated ! Keenan have just take a bunch of them by complete hazard and use them in a single screen !
what next
Next up is how to design a speculative biology project!
@@TalesofKaimere whath is that
@@TalesofKaimere Great !!!! Another video as the one about the Coloration of the creatures ! I like this kind of videos !
How much for a Domesticated Lion? Asking for a friend?
Wish from the bottom of my heart that they were for sale
Wait......... Domesticated glyptodont?!
That was just to show the diversity of Kaimere not domesticated animals
@@TalesofKaimere man im stuupid
I would kill for a house lion
Same tbh
cheeth is coming soon any time let me know okay
No plans for cheetahs.
@@TalesofKaimere okay but let me know if cheetha come back okay
🤠👍🏿
honestly, im surprised lions or African Wild dogs, or hyenas werent domesticated in Africa. All social predators like wolves. Im curios as to why its didnt happen, but did with wolves
One of the more important traits needed for domestication is an adaptable diet that's easy for people to obtain. Being cats, lions are obligate carnivores and need to feed on meat, which is difficult and/or expensive, and being big also means they need a lot of it. I'd imagine that the people of the Qajarith Republic have an ample amount of livestock to even be able to feed these lions to justify keeping them.
Where chimp
If there are chimps (not determined yet) they would be in the Seridic jungle, but not likely.
Not first