Great video Jake. A lot of the material I’ve seen out there when you crimp rye that thick the farmers or habitat guys use one of those expensive drills to plant beans, corn, or seasonal food plots. This is a great reality demonstration for the remaining 98% of us out there. As always your content is appreciated.
Good info.. we have a dairy farm and seed 600 ac rye as cover crop each year. I spend alot of time on plots as well. After you seed your beans into your standing rye.. i bet you could use your disc instead of the crimper. It knocks it down and would scratch some dirt to help it take off. The biomass from the rye keeps the disc from going very deep.
Great Video Jake! Those are great real world examples and tests to compare both planting methods. Very interesting how the soybean germination was stunned that much. I will be trying this same method on very sandy soil, it will be interesting to see the difference.
Thanks for posting. In my humble opinion, one item your missing in order to get the growth on the areas you crimped would be a drill. Using a drill, through the crimped rye, will assure you that you will get proper seed to soil contact. By relying on the broadcast seed to penetrate the thatch you are minimizing the importance of true seed to soil contact.
Thanks for youy honest comments Daron, I may have not made it clear that this was done as a "test project" to see how the broadcast method would work as Ive seen others have good luck not using aa drill. I did however, purchase a drill for all my future planting projects.
Done the same experiment with my spring/ summer plantings. One field I broadcasted a bean and corn mixture, crimped and sprayed (very little germination) and the other field I sprayed, burnt, tilled, planted, and compacted. (I would almost bet 95% germination).
Very interesting. Grant Woods has done well with the technique with poor soil and no till, but seed/soil contact is critical. I would love to have a no till drill, but it’s just not possible so I till, broadcast, or plant with a two row planter on my big seeds. I also keep the deer off them with perimeter enclosure-that alone was a huge difference in growth and allowed them to thrive even on plots less than two acres. Enjoy your content!
Hey Jake another great video. Thank you. This is my 3rd year with the no till method. Brassicas, oat do great but the peas and beans do not. I’m finding the germination rate is low plus it takes 2-3 weeks longer than a dics plot. I’ve had to do the same as you and over seed the area with brassicas then in early September over seed with winter rye. I do not have a planter but I may ask a local farmer to plant my beans and peas. My save a lot of headaches. Please keep the videos coming.
Great video Jake. Be interesting to see the difference if you had no-till drilled those beans instead. Beans just laying on that hard clay just don't have the soil contact they need. Hopefully you took soil samples before and continue ever year to compare the organic matter buildup of your soil. Sadly, every time we disc we lessen it. Thanks for this great video.
Really good job and dedication. I’ve learned you just have to decide what method works for your area. I have the same issue with clay and plant soybeans the 3rd year on new spot so I can grow oats and clover, so I can build that soil. I have a neighbor that rotates corn and soybeans on a couple hundred acres. It’s a huge long bean field. Those years of beans it takes the pressure off my plots and makes for a really good hunt late season. You put together a really good video and I appreciate it.
I had very similar results in Southeast Michigan as well. The soybeans germinated at different times and aloud the deer to overbrowse them pretty quickly. However, the brassicas did very well!!
I have heavy clay soil at my place, been wanting to do more No till but have a bugger of a time getting broadcasted seed to germinate and grow on the clay. If I could build up good soil on top of the clay I think it may work out better doing no till. Clover is about the only thing that has grown well in my clay!
Is there an advantage to spraying plus crimping vs just crimping? I’m interested in this method as I’ve got heavy clay soil as well with limited access with heavy machinery other than some homemade atv implements. Great info!
As they say one man's advantage is anothers disadvantage, Im not sure there is crimping it green preserves more soil moistre and in the rye stems, but I did have a better soybean crop in the sprayed to terminate & then crimped 10-days/2weeks later.
Try crimping your rye green, then the same day use your no till drill to plant desired crop. Good thatch cover from rye, and good seed-soil contact for your seed. The openers on the drill will cut through the rye while still crisp, which will allow faster germination and growth. You can always overseed with other crops as you please.
I knew ideally using a drill would be a winner, however I don't have a drill nor do I plan on buying one. I gave this broadcast/crimper method a try as Its been discussed by many over the years and I wanted to see what my results would be as they video shows.
I have no plans in investing into a drill, I've tried drilling with a no-till drill and found moderate success, nothing compares to my success using minimal tillage.
@@habitatsolutions360llc3 When using no till you must be patient, you must build the soil up over few years, for me the advantage is less time spent in the field so I am willing to wait it out and have better soil from not tilling it constantly and compacting it over and over. Must be patient with no till in clay soil
Jake, thanks for this video (and all of your vids). The popularity of no-till plots is definitely picking up right now. After watching Dr. Woods successfully do it I was all ready to try it. Your video is causing me to have second thoughts. I’m sure there’s a learning curve (rye cover crop rate, chemical vs mechanical termination, timing of termination, drill vs broadcasting, soil type, etc etc). Wouldn’t it be nice to have all the answers before spending all the time and money?! Anyway, thanks for the reality check. Your farm is beautiful. I know how much work it takes to achieve that! Also congrats on a great buck! Please keep the videos coming. They are so appreciated.
I've been testing the soil for 2+ decades and always make adjustments per the recomendations, all three plots have nearly identical soil results. This past spring I went back to minimal tilage and have an incredable soybean crop over 60 inches tall in locations the deer dont hit them hard.
Jake, outstanding video bro.. I wish you had them more regularly but this was worth the wait. Any chance we can get you to do this again next year in at least one of those same areas so we can see if the root tillage from the plants assists with germination? Ive been watching alot of Dr Woods and his soil life/worm stuff and i'm curious if maybe it just gets a bit better with each season when you've started with a more compact clay from tilling every year. Do you think drilling them into the crimped rye would have netted better plots?
I think that the soybeans may do better after a few years of no till & cover crops to improve the soil & reduce or eliminate a hard clay surface that the seeds have to break through
Jake, that rye thatch was really thick. Do you think that maybe a lesser seed rate of rye, maybe 75# per acre would work. Still giving enough cover and be a little easier for the beans to push through? I will be using buckwheat for my cover this year with brassica's. This is the first time trying a cover crop for me. Great video keep them coming. Thank you.
I like the thick rye for my fall plots, cover crop & attraction, in some areas I had thinner rye with less of a thick matt and still the soybeans struggled there as well, I'm convinced its more about the hard heavy clay than the rye coverage.
One of the three locations was sprayed with Gly and then rolled, as a test/control to identify any difference in germination/growth rates, Thanks for watching.
Great video! Soybeans need to have good seed to soil contact for optimal germination, I would think the beans in the crimped rye would have had better success if drilled then crimped, but everything is a learning process!
@@HabitatDave I think you missing the point, can't compare no till to traditional if you are using a seed that can't or should not be just broadcast on the ground is all. Misleads folks.
Agree & was aware of drill success, I tried this broadcast/crimper method as an experiment. I have no plans to purchase a $10K drill so I can duplicate what I'm able to do with the equipment I already have, thanks for your comments always appreciate the feedback.
That's a lot of info but all doing it incorrect. You need to no till the beans into the rye with trash wheels during the dough stage, then when the beans come up in 10days during anthesis you then roller crimp! If done correctly you wont even have to spray any chemicals unless you want it perfectly clean and rye will always out perform conventional. your problem is equipment that just isn't heavy enough and no row cleaners. 30" rows have worked to best for germination on cereal rye for us.
Sprayed with glysophate? That's the end of the video for me. And added in a click on don't share channel for good measure. Good luck to you, just not my bag.
Thanks Jake. Best explanation of the process I have seen. Thanks for the dedication!
Tons of great information. Greatly appreciate the money and work invested into this video.
Always enjoy your videos Jake keep on looking for new ones thanks so much
Thank you for sharing. It's so fun to try new methods and compare results. Keeps us engaged and excited.
Great video Jake. A lot of the material I’ve seen out there when you crimp rye that thick the farmers or habitat guys use one of those expensive drills to plant beans, corn, or seasonal food plots. This is a great reality demonstration for the remaining 98% of us out there. As always your content is appreciated.
Agreed. I’ve seen Grant Woods drill his beans in with the rye still standing…then come back a few days after germination and crimp
Yep
Most successful stories involved a notill drill.
We still do a minimum till (one shallow pass) and have as good food plots as anyone.
Another great video. I appreciate the quality over quantity and very informative. Love seeing the different tests and experiments 😎
Entertaining and informative. Another great presentation.
Good info.. we have a dairy farm and seed 600 ac rye as cover crop each year. I spend alot of time on plots as well. After you seed your beans into your standing rye.. i bet you could use your disc instead of the crimper. It knocks it down and would scratch some dirt to help it take off. The biomass from the rye keeps the disc from going very deep.
Great video Jake! Awesome tractor! Your riding in style and comfort!
Great Video Jake! Those are great real world examples and tests to compare both planting methods. Very interesting how the soybean germination was stunned that much. I will be trying this same method on very sandy soil, it will be interesting to see the difference.
Thanks for posting. In my humble opinion, one item your missing in order to get the growth on the areas you crimped would be a drill. Using a drill, through the crimped rye, will assure you that you will get proper seed to soil contact. By relying on the broadcast seed to penetrate the thatch you are minimizing the importance of true seed to soil contact.
Thanks for youy honest comments Daron, I may have not made it clear that this was done as a "test project" to see how the broadcast method would work as Ive seen others have good luck not using aa drill. I did however, purchase a drill for all my future planting projects.
Thanks for responding. Good stuff!!!
Great presentation. Nice buck too👊
Done the same experiment with my spring/ summer plantings. One field I broadcasted a bean and corn mixture, crimped and sprayed (very little germination) and the other field I sprayed, burnt, tilled, planted, and compacted. (I would almost bet 95% germination).
Very interesting. Grant Woods has done well with the technique with poor soil and no till, but seed/soil contact is critical. I would love to have a no till drill, but it’s just not possible so I till, broadcast, or plant with a two row planter on my big seeds. I also keep the deer off them with perimeter enclosure-that alone was a huge difference in growth and allowed them to thrive even on plots less than two acres. Enjoy your content!
Outstanding video. Thank you
Hey Jake another great video. Thank you.
This is my 3rd year with the no till method. Brassicas, oat do great but the peas and beans do not.
I’m finding the germination rate is low plus it takes 2-3 weeks longer than a dics plot. I’ve had to do the same as you and over seed the area with brassicas then in early September over seed with winter rye. I do not have a planter but I may ask a local farmer to plant my beans and peas. My save a lot of headaches. Please keep the videos coming.
Great video Jake. Be interesting to see the difference if you had no-till drilled those beans instead. Beans just laying on that hard clay just don't have the soil contact they need. Hopefully you took soil samples before and continue ever year to compare the organic matter buildup of your soil. Sadly, every time we disc we lessen it. Thanks for this great video.
Great video Jake !
Really good job and dedication. I’ve learned you just have to decide what method works for your area. I have the same issue with clay and plant soybeans the 3rd year on new spot so I can grow oats and clover, so I can build that soil. I have a neighbor that rotates corn and soybeans on a couple hundred acres. It’s a huge long bean field. Those years of beans it takes the pressure off my plots and makes for a really good hunt late season. You put together a really good video and I appreciate it.
I had very similar results in Southeast Michigan as well. The soybeans germinated at different times and aloud the deer to overbrowse them pretty quickly. However, the brassicas did very well!!
I have heavy clay soil at my place, been wanting to do more No till but have a bugger of a time getting broadcasted seed to germinate and grow on the clay. If I could build up good soil on top of the clay I think it may work out better doing no till. Clover is about the only thing that has grown well in my clay!
Is there an advantage to spraying plus crimping vs just crimping? I’m interested in this method as I’ve got heavy clay soil as well with limited access with heavy machinery other than some homemade atv implements. Great info!
As they say one man's advantage is anothers disadvantage, Im not sure there is crimping it green preserves more soil moistre and in the rye stems, but I did have a better soybean crop in the sprayed to terminate & then crimped 10-days/2weeks later.
Try crimping your rye green, then the same day use your no till drill to plant desired crop. Good thatch cover from rye, and good seed-soil contact for your seed. The openers on the drill will cut through the rye while still crisp, which will allow faster germination and growth. You can always overseed with other crops as you please.
I knew ideally using a drill would be a winner, however I don't have a drill nor do I plan on buying one. I gave this broadcast/crimper method a try as Its been discussed by many over the years and I wanted to see what my results would be as they video shows.
@@habitatsolutions360llc3 ok I thought I saw a not till drill in your video somewhere.
Thanks Jake good information
Learned a lot here. Thanks!
What about using your no till drill into the rye and crimping after
I have no plans in investing into a drill, I've tried drilling with a no-till drill and found moderate success, nothing compares to my success using minimal tillage.
Ok, I thought I saw a no till land pride in video earlier
@@habitatsolutions360llc3 When using no till you must be patient, you must build the soil up over few years, for me the advantage is less time spent in the field so I am willing to wait it out and have better soil from not tilling it constantly and compacting it over and over. Must be patient with no till in clay soil
Jake, thanks for this video (and all of your vids). The popularity of no-till plots is definitely picking up right now. After watching Dr. Woods successfully do it I was all ready to try it. Your video is causing me to have second thoughts. I’m sure there’s a learning curve (rye cover crop rate, chemical vs mechanical termination, timing of termination, drill vs broadcasting, soil type, etc etc). Wouldn’t it be nice to have all the answers before spending all the time and money?! Anyway, thanks for the reality check. Your farm is beautiful. I know how much work it takes to achieve that! Also congrats on a great buck! Please keep the videos coming. They are so appreciated.
Do you think drilling the beans into the crimped rye, would give you better results, over broadcasting them? Thanks
I hired a guy to no-drill soybeans with a great planes drill 2 years earlier with similar good/bad results.
So did you not do a section with roller crimping, then using your drill to drill the soybeans instead of just broadcasting?
Do you have soil test results for the three different plots? Same pH, fertility, etc? Maybe there were more factors than planting method.
I've been testing the soil for 2+ decades and always make adjustments per the recomendations, all three plots have nearly identical soil results. This past spring I went back to minimal tilage and have an incredable soybean crop over 60 inches tall in locations the deer dont hit them hard.
Could you grow other things roller crimping rye? Such as tillage radish, or green forage mix (pats, peas, beans)?
Great video. Are you going to try this again this year now that you have invested in the equipment?
Wonder what would happen if you planted rye and radish for like 3 to 4 yes in one plot with no till how your soil would change
Did crimping completley terminate the crop or did you still need to spray also?
Roller crimper killed it pretty good.
Could you post a link to the cultupacker/crimper combo implement?
Here's a link to the PackerMax combo unit: packermaxx.com/collections/attachments
Thank you so much!! I have been looking for a cost effective crimping method for months!!
Jake, outstanding video bro.. I wish you had them more regularly but this was worth the wait. Any chance we can get you to do this again next year in at least one of those same areas so we can see if the root tillage from the plants assists with germination? Ive been watching alot of Dr Woods and his soil life/worm stuff and i'm curious if maybe it just gets a bit better with each season when you've started with a more compact clay from tilling every year.
Do you think drilling them into the crimped rye would have netted better plots?
Did you have to use any fertilizer?
Yep I sprayed two applications of foliar fertilizer one on mid July, one in early October.
I think that the soybeans may do better after a few years of no till & cover crops to improve the soil & reduce or eliminate a hard clay surface that the seeds have to break through
Jake, that rye thatch was really thick. Do you think that maybe a lesser seed rate of rye, maybe 75# per acre would work. Still giving enough cover and be a little easier for the beans to push through? I will be using buckwheat for my cover this year with brassica's. This is the first time trying a cover crop for me. Great video keep them coming. Thank you.
I like the thick rye for my fall plots, cover crop & attraction, in some areas I had thinner rye with less of a thick matt and still the soybeans struggled there as well, I'm convinced its more about the hard heavy clay than the rye coverage.
@@habitatsolutions360llc3 Thank you.
Why would you use glyphosate instead of just roller crimping?
One of the three locations was sprayed with Gly and then rolled, as a test/control to identify any difference in germination/growth rates, Thanks for watching.
Great video! Soybeans need to have good seed to soil contact for optimal germination, I would think the beans in the crimped rye would have had better success if drilled then crimped, but everything is a learning process!
This is exactly why they didn't do as well as the disced field.
Most of us deer food plotters do not have a drill, appreciate this is for little guy without all the equipment
@@HabitatDave I think you missing the point, can't compare no till to traditional if you are using a seed that can't or should not be just broadcast on the ground is all. Misleads folks.
What Foliar spray do you use
Plot Dr products. www.harpergs.com/
Where are you from?
Is this just to hunt dear? Is it worth all the costs?
Where are you located?
You need a drill for soybeans. Your no till would have turned out much better w a drill.
Agree & was aware of drill success, I tried this broadcast/crimper method as an experiment. I have no plans to purchase a $10K drill so I can duplicate what I'm able to do with the equipment I already have, thanks for your comments always appreciate the feedback.
Roll then drill the beans into terminated beans. Broadcast doesn’t work well with rolling.
50lbs rye, 8lbs Crimson clover in September. Rye was to heavy
Don't let the rye get so tall and it will be better with buckwheat threw summer
That's a lot of info but all doing it incorrect. You need to no till the beans into the rye with trash wheels during the dough stage, then when the beans come up in 10days during anthesis you then roller crimp! If done correctly you wont even have to spray any chemicals unless you want it perfectly clean and rye will always out perform conventional. your problem is equipment that just isn't heavy enough and no row cleaners. 30" rows have worked to best for germination on cereal rye for us.
Sprayed with glysophate? That's the end of the video for me. And added in a click on don't share channel for good measure. Good luck to you, just not my bag.
If you don't have anything nice to say......
@@bowman8316 seems he would find more useful info in "pronoun" video😂