Guider Pro & Shiftboard Proxxon Accessories by Shifting Lands Review (Black Magic Craft Episode 055)
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This episode I demonstrate and review the Guider Pro and Shiftboard accessories made by Shifting Lands for use with the Proxxon Thermocut hotwire table.
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There is a 3% chance I will ever use these in my life but I 100% love that they exist, are so useful, and handmade by people.
Gerard is an amazingly talented guy. He brings a lot of love and skill to the hobby.
agree!
I obviously can't recommend these jigs enough. Pro Tip, to keep the jigs from sliding around on you while cutting, lay a small piece of paper towel between the groove of the table and the tab of the jig. This provides enough resistance to keep you from having to hold on to it while cutting, freeing up your second hand.
Oh yea, I remember seeing you do that now. I will have to try it
Interesting, could you get that same resistance gluing some felt to the tab of the jig? Or what that be too thick?
I finally ordered the 2.0 today. Told them BMC sent me. Can't wait to get it. I never thought I'd want one of these until I got my Proxxon and expanded my cutting abilities which has made my projects go faster and with more precision. I see now that the GP 2.0 will only expand and improve my abilities and results even more.
just ordered a full set of the jigs to mod out my new proxxon, can't wait to use 'em and i added a note to my order i was inspired by your vid. keep up the good work buddy.
Great demo, can't wait to see the others!!!
So true about the fence that comes with the table.
Me too!
yup, I'm excited to make all the tools part of my routine
I watched Gerards channel shortly after I realized I wanted a proxxon hotwire table. His accessories were as integral in making me buy a table as your channel was.
Yea, he is a true master
Congratulations, you have single-handedly convinced me to ask for a Proxxon for Christmas!
So I have a useful tip for using various jigs, particularly when production lining large runs of something... So... simply disassemble, remove and recycle the original tightening/clamping mechanism for holding the rip fence in place (you don't need it anymore, man that thing was ugh). It's not too hard to drill a new slot hole to fit the mechanism to your mdf board etc. I use this in particular for actually replacing the original rip fence entirely, but could also be used on other jigs you might frequently use.
Finally pulled the trigger on a guider pro. Gerard was great to deal with and shipping was fast to Canada. Can't wait to set it up and get going. Thanks to BMC for introducing this product and for the great experience purchasing from Shifting Lands. Cheers!
No prob. I have a video about assembling the guider pro 2.0 which may help if you need.
Yup seen all your vids Thanks!
Great guide and advice, I am buying tools from Shifting Lands JUST because of YOU, he should pay you a commission : UPDATE Just bought the Proxxon {because of you and I told them} and the Guider Pro set {also because of you and I told them lol} Thank you againfor the great advice
Just bought a proxon off the back of your recommendation. Well, my wife watches your channel and really wanted one. All good really.
Hope you show lots of demos on how all these cool guides work and cool things to make :)
Great channel.
Great stuff.
Thanks
Just bought the Guider Pro and gave you a shout out on his message! Thanks!
Could you use the angle cutter set at 90 degrees to do the same job AND cut angled cuts? It would mean the foam's sliding on MDF instead of metal, so a bit more friction, perhaps.
instablaster.
I keep bumping into lindy’s comments lol. Love it
Bought one and a proxxon. Work very well together. The shifting sands tool is awesome for those long tall cuts
Shifting lands tools for the hot wire table are invaluable!!!
I have the guider pro and the circle cutter, they are awesome. Well worth it.
I really really love them, I can't believe I've lived this long without them
Black Magic Craft lol I always assumed you had one but didn't use it in the vids in case viewers didn't have one!
Thanks J! I have his Arch Template set which is awesome as well :)... Don't forget to mention he also crafts some AMAZING terrain pieces and buildings too. Super great guy, and glad to see you giving him some more exposure!
That's a really good point I should have mentioned, that these tools were made and designed by a master foam builder who really knows the needs of people building terrain with xps.
I've been wanting that fence since I saw it on TWS- Tabletop Workshop; and then saw John Suski using it in his incredible builds. This is a very good demo on it and makes me want it even more!!! It's definitely on my wish list.... :)
#worthit
Black Magic Craft has already sold me on a proxxon and green stuff world rollers, now I need a bunch of shifting lands stuff AND a mini-table saw. XD
Nice to see some legit aftermarket tools, made for the purpose, entering the scene. Reminds me of a bandsaw fence.
Yea, and they were designed and developed by a guy that is a master foam builder so he really understands the needs.
Gond bless the design-fu of the Dutch.
So I'm watching this. I feel the proxxon for a few years now. The Fatal flaw what's not being able to lock the guide in place is that you cannot use it in a hands-free situation. I actually set up a platform to support 2 by 2 foot 2 inch foam and 34 by 22 in 2in foam. Getting a very straight cut is really important. And yes when you're cutting something that big, that cusses skinny little metal bar does indeed flare out it is indeed enough pressure to make it screw up your work. See your thinking small. But I'm thinking clean edges on the tables that I send to my customers. I buy my phone foam at a hardware store like most people do. For a little while I was able to get the guys in the lumber place fuse that big upright saw table used for plywood and other things dissection out my 8 by 4 foot boards for me. Nice and clean cuts. But there's a problem. They exactly the moratorium on that absolutely no cutting a phone. They claim that it melts to the blade but I've never seen that happen and I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is that they likely sell their sawdust to people who make particle boards pressed wood products. And if there's any Styrofoam in the mix they can't sell it. All that to say that leaves me with a 4-foot t-square a good sharp exacto knife and my proxxon to clean up shift the edges. So in a way This Magnificent attachment and Tool is worth absolutely nothing to me if I can't lock it in place and I can't depend on my hands to not be a little shaky then is a useless thing. It can't be stabilized I can't use it.
I love mine and cutting Styrodur wouldn't be half as much fun without them
at 4:58 The problem that I have with the rip fence is when it deflects mid cut. when trying to cut bigger pieces, I have had it happen to me to the point I have started taping the fence end down at the far end so that I can guide/hold with two hands. Really looking forward to getting my Guider and Shiftboard. And yah, vertical sucks.
Great Video, useful to know!
The Tools are awesome, Met him in Person 👍🏻
Cool! I would love to get the chance to meet him as well, he is both an amazing tool designer but also a top level foam builder.
Just ordered mine now
Finally got around to ordering a Guider Pro! Hyped, should be here in a couple of weeks (had to order from the Euro Store to ship to Eastern Canada).
LOVE THESE JIGS!!!!!! Just started watching and your videos are sssssooooo helpful!! Thinking of getting this cutter and now know I also need jig
Great jigs. If you have that table saw he mentioned and are a woodworker, you could make the tall fence yourself and save the shipping.
Has anyone seen or used his shapeshifter tool for proxxon cutter. It’s amazing. The shapes you can make are flawless.
This is on my xmas wish list!
I kind of wish the 2.0 was around when I bought mine, but all in all I think this thing is an amazing add on item. Even with the shipping included the price is very worth it and reasonable.
Im not entirely convinced the 2.0 upgrades are entirely necessary, but they obviously don't hurt.
Love your videos buddy. You do need to tell people that these products do not come assembled and this is not an out of the box solution. One tool was 40+ pieces that has to be glued together perfectly if not you will not get square cuts.
Didn’t I mention in the video that I hadnt assembled some of the tools yet? I never really thought to explicitly warn about that, maybe because before getting them myself I assumed assembly was required to make them more practical to ship. Anyway as builders and crafters it shouldnt be an issue, but on future reviews of some of the other tools I’ll make sure to note it.
Very nice ! I will order them today ! Now i have a way to cut my foam tiles thinner! Only got 10cm plates to buy in my town
Yea. The guider pro allows you to mill incredibly thin and precise material. I love it!
got almost all tools now ! jay
Just took the plunge and bought the Glider Pro 2.0 and gave a shout to your TH-cam channel. Now the waiting begins...
Tell him to sell on Amazon. He ships a bunch of stock of his items to an Amazon warehouse in the U.S. and they bill him $2 for them to fulfill the order. This way everyone in the U.S. gets free 2-day shipping and he saves on shipping costs to the U.S. because he ships everything at once.
Really curious about the circle cutter!
I'll tell you now....it's great! I love it
Subbed to your channel today, after ordering the proxxon cutter.
Sadly I'm allergic to other forms of social mafia, other then Youtoob.
Conveniantly though, I live in the Nethurlands, so getting these specific tools is going to be easy.
I'll make sure to mention you when I do 😀
I just ordered this guided pro. Nice little bday present for myself lol
Just FYI your links don't work anymore to purchase those Guider pro's etc.
Any plans to do more videos on Shiftinglands products?
FYI, there is now a US shop. The shipping for the Glider Pro 2.0 for me was only $8.99.
Shiftin' Glands!? That's the first thing I saw when I looked at the URL for Shifting Lands. All jokes aside though, these look like great tools.
I'd love to get a Guider Pro but that shipping is a dealbreaker.
now you know how it is for us europeans to get (or not get) anything cool from north america 😬
I really admire Gerard's work. His tools are awesome. However, I use a large LEGO DUPLO cuboid wall and therefore do not really need the slider. Tool no.5 is worth looking into as it facilitates cutting angles. I also like his gothic and roman arch templates. These are difficult to build at home.
Yea some of his tools you can make yourself (guider pro, circle cutter) but some like the multi corner cutter, angle cutter, and tool no 5 would be much harder to do yourself. If he hadn't sent me one as part of the review package I probably would have built my own circle cutter, but bought the other stuff.
I finally broke down and ordered a proxxon after trying to make do with knives and failing over and over to make it work, i cant get straight cuts, certainly can get anything square, the foam snaps and tears if your not super careful and getting consistent size bricks is a lot of work. My xps is hard and brittle too idk why if anyone in australia know where to get the good stuff let me know, this yellow bunnings stuff is garbage. Definitely will want at least the square guide too.
Just got my proxxon ordered but shifting lands shipping to USA is 5 weeks. Yikes. Im just going to make a rip fence.
bought proxxon cutting table and was disappointed with the directions, but the worst is that the guide will only slide half way into groove so I can't get close cuts. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Not available anymore?
BMC my honest opinion about the guider pro and the other products: they are to expensive, as you said the guider pro is just a 90 degree mdf angle and it relies on the users pressure, i would rather spend my time and ressources on finding a tall enough aluminium bar to exchange the proxxon one
No you don't. The Proton one as a whole is really unstable. A larger bar makes it even worse.
Great review, thank you!
cheers
Just ordered guider pro like you said sh#! About to get real lol
Hi, I went on the website to order the tools and they said that they don't ship to the USA. I was ready to buy the whole set. Such a let down. Is there another way I can get these items? Thanks
They do ship to USA normally. Perhaps they’ve temporarily stopped due to the global situation. Email him directly to ask.
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Thanks, I will do that. I love everything you do here thanks for sharing all of your projects and such with us. Wishing you and your family a safe year.
have you had a chance to use the angle cutter? I just got it and unable to find a video on how to use it. Any way you can show how this jig is used
I would love to get one of these, but the cost of shipping is nearly as much as the item (€22 and the item is just under €28) and that is too much. I think I will see what I can make instead
Do these jigs work with the Hercules hot wire cutter model 8500? On amazon the reviews say it is compatible with both i just wanna get some confirmation is this is true
My proxxon struggles to cut a piece of 4mm thick foam with the temperature set to max(6). The wire glows red. Any thoughts about what my be wrong? Thanks, Earl Jones
Wrong foam? That’s not right.
Its 7", but in reality 5.5". I doubt you are the first man to make that claim and have it proven wrong. >D
I honestly thought you had build those guides yourself...I somehow missed this whole set of videos...now I am contemplating spending monies...
Would like to see your thoughts on the
Tool nr.5 Multi Purpose Tool
And the
Dome cutter
If you've had the chance to use them.
This is a great video. I'm trying to figure out what I want to invest in, and this makes the uses extremely clear. But, I do really wish people would stop using inches to describe things. It's such a weird and niche measurement for most people.
Inches are the best measurement for people sized things. Metric for tiny and metric for very big….but inches for medium. Sincerely a Canadian that technically lives in a metric country.
Everyone should know both systems.
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial a reasonable response! But my irrational brain still struggles with imperial.
Just wanted to say that there is cheaper alternatives to some of Shiftinglands items, notably the Guider Pro, the Shiftboard, and Circular Cutting Board. I decided to head to the hardware store and see what I could MacGyver together. First is the guider is limited to straight 90 degree lines but what I did allows you to still use the included guide, keep in mind that what is available to you might not match up with what I found due to different brands or standards so you might need to do a little thinking/experimenting while you're at the store.
Shopping list: 2x ZMAX Galvanized Stringer Connectors ($2.62 each), 1x ZMAX Galvanized Rigid Tie Flat for 2x Lumber ($5.51), 1x 4.5" (11cm) trigger clamp ($12.97), 2x Everbilt #6-32 x 5/8" machine screws ($1.38 for a pack of 6, you could also use bolts and shorter screws), 2x Everbilt #6-32 wing nuts ($1.38 for a pack of 6, could use different nuts), a pair of gloves (I use gardening gloves with rubber palms that were about $8, leather gloves might also work, and a thin sheet of wood or metal (if it's thick enough) that is about 12 in. x 5.5 in. (I used scrap wood so I can't include a price).
Instructions: a) Slide one of the Stringer Connectors under the Proxxon's included guide b) slide the extended part of the Tie Flat under the back of the Proxxon c) align the other Stinger Connector to two of the holes on the Tie Flat, making a pseudo-shelf with a lip, and attach it using the screws and nuts d) you can now use the clamp to hold the Proxxon's guide in place which will also keep the other Stringer Connector in place, it adds a little bit of height but if you put the sheet of wood/metal between it and the Proxxon's guide then it will add the height you need with only a little bit of a difference between it and the foam you're cutting. That replaces the Guider Pro and using the glove will let you use your hand instead of the Shiftboard (if you're worried about burning yourself that is).
As for replacing the Circular Cutting Board, Wyloch's Armory [th-cam.com/video/vq502z27GyY/w-d-xo.html] has a video that shows how to make a foam version of the Guide Pro and a cardboard Circular Cutting Board. So, I'm not going take credit for that and will send traffic his way.
I wish to know what accessories you recommend me to cut perfectly and cut straights and parallel, I wish to do a perfect square, please?
Is there any way to get a Proxxon saw to cut wider than 5.5 inches, like 6 or12"?
can you get cut or burned by touching the wire? Also are you a Dale Hawerchuk fan?
It's a hot wire cutter..so yeah. Cut, I doubt it...the pain from getting burned would prompt you to jerk your hand back way before you could cut yourself :)
Cool stuff, been wondering about how it works.
many more tools to come in future vids
I bought this proxxon and it was working fine but the wire broke and now I can’t get a new piece treaded threw the gold piece. I was wondering if foam melts and it clogs the hole. Do you have this problem and is there a way to clean it out so I can thread it.
yes, that can happen. Drop some acetone in the hole or heat it with a lighter and use. a piece of wire to unclog. Sometimes broken wire can be clogged in there underneath. Flip it upside down, might be wire poking out you can pull.
Well thank for replying but acetone did not work so I had to take the whole brass piece off the back and it was hard to do because the screw close to the proxxon was hard to get off. Well low and behold there was a piece of wire broken off inside the brass piece stuck in the hole. So moral of story if acetone does not work take the brass piece off and see what is inside. Thanks for all your advice and love all the demo pieces you use here for the proxxon. Thanks…..
Thank you!!!
Could you do demos of the other tools as well?
What do you think of the texture rollers at Shiftinglands do they work well with XPS?
They work best of all the texture rollers (on foam)
Thanks for the quick response I purchased the guider pro2 and angle cutter they work great any plans to demonstrate the rest of there products?
Anyway to buy one in the US or any other product from shiftinglands
You have to order it directly from the site. They ship to USA.
Are planning to add this awesome tools and its descriptions to your website?
I probably will
I only see shipping to Europe. Do you know by chance if this updates itself? Perhaps I should direct question direct to them. In any event great review of one of the tools I’m interested in. Would have made choice easier had you did a side by side comp between the two versions.
The lower option is for everywhere outside Netherlands.
"PostNL - with Track & Trace
Delivery time: Europe: 2 to 3 days. Worldwide: 8 to 14 days"
da Jaakolaj thank you!
Are you still using these 4 years later or is there better tools now?
Watch my most recent video 😀
Excuse my name Fabio rolla from Italy if possible to buy?
I was wondering if you have any other videos on the other jigs from shifting. I noticed you have the angle cutter and a circle better like to see these in action. I just ordered the gator pro wish I would’ve got the 2.0 but I didn’t I would like to place an order for the circle cutter and angle to you if you could let me know if you have plans for doing those reviews I would appreciate it
TH-cam has a search function :)
th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=black+magic+craft+shifting+lands
What glue did you use to assemble your guider? (PVA, wood glue, super glue, other?)
Just pva. Wood glue would be good too (its just stronger pva). I would not recomend superglue, its really poor for gluing large peices of mdf together, it just soaks in and barely works. Pva glue, and some tape or clamps to hold pieces while they dry are the best way.
Where did you get your cap??
I would love to have one!!
The Bay
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Just ordered one!! Hopefully it's as cool as yours!!
I vote for seeing the circle cutter...
That is likely next....but here's a hint.....its awesome
Black Magic Craft no doubt!
I don't see the link for a video trying out the guider pro version 2.
guys I just bought some of these awesome tools, I have a question about the assembly, I never used wood so I am in a little empasse, wich glue should I use?
Sulfuria Zumma - go to your hardware store and get some wood glue. It's basically a better version of PVA glue so you could use regular white glue but the wood glue is better. Put a small dab in the grooves and then let it is for a while and wipe away the excess before it sets.
I purchased the Proxxon thermocut some time ago. I have considered buying Shifting lands Guider Pro stuff. Is it worth the money if you only craft from time to time as I do?
I think the guider pro is worth it even as a casual crafter, especially if you've already invested in the proxxon. The other tools are more of a luxury, or time saver for someone who builds a lot.
Very cool
Thanks :)
I just got my proxxon cutter and started making a rather larger city gate with it. looking pretty cool so far.
Is the Tool stable enought against tourque, it looks like 2mm MDF. Isn't it?
What torque? It's a guide for cutting styrofoam.
Skip to 4:28 to bypass all of the disclaimers and fluff.
if I buy the 5 in 1 do I need the guide pro,?
As a crafter, you can build this in about 20 minutes and for like 6 bucks in scrap wood.
Antonius Maximus - I built the circle jig pretty easy and it works great. i would imagine this one can be made easily as well.
You can certainly easily build a few of his jigs like the guider pro and the circle cutter if you want. However some of the more advanced tools would be quite difficult to build yourself.
....and you need to keep in mind for many people time is a higher priority than $$$ so it's often more cost effective just to purchase tools. That being said, I highly encourage homebuilding anything you can to save costs if you've got the skills and time.
Have you already made a video on the other products yet?
Some of them.
I have a question I have similar foam to Gerard but am I still able to make my models the way you do or do I have to do it the way Gerard does. Please respond to this for me.
You can do all my methods with any type of XPS foam.
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial. Thanks for answering my question.
I notice even your cuts have that rippling effect. I still haven't figured out a solution to this.
Push your styrofoam slower or set your wire hotter
Well, I've used the Shifting Lands jig for a month and it is virtually useless. You need two hands to accurately guide the XPS along the cut leaving the Shifting Lands fence to move easily thus ruining the cut. It does nt lock down to the Proxon table. Unless someone can suggest something, this thing is crap.
You don’t have two hands?
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial Please read the comment. I cut 24" long pieces of XPS and it requires two hands to guide the foam and keep it snug to the fence. What i don't have is three hands. But thanks for trying to help out.
Is it christmas already???
Well looks like for you it is.
Nice.
I know right?
Would you know if the Shape Shifter Proxxon Accessory can be fitted to a Hercules 8500 Series Foam Wire Cutter? I mostly model in 1/35 scale or 55 mm. From what I am reading are these accessories primarily for 22 mm modelling?
I think they fit, the Hercules is a direct clone.
They certainly look very similar. I sent a similar message off to the maker but they haven't responded. Thank you for responding so quickly to such an old posting.
Ugh I cant justify this with the shipping being nearly as much as the product. I wish I could though.
Yea, that's the real issue with it being a small company in Europe. The shipping to N.America is expensive and out of his control. BUT its basically flat rate up to a certain point, so if you order a few things it becomes more worth it. Also he often throws in a free extra template or something to make up for the shipping costs.
@@BlackMagicCraftOfficial yeah I'll be looking into it after Christmas... the S.O. was looking for last minute gift ideas. That circular board cutter looks amazing.
also, this guy teaches how to make a home wire cutter.
Sorry that's not in English, but you can use the CCs and try to get what he's doing by context by what you see him do.
it takes a tic-tac box, 2 hashis, a 9v battery, some glue, insulating tape, screws, pins, electric wires (copper) and iron wire (string).
th-cam.com/video/BMxI9rlotas/w-d-xo.html
Anyone know of an alternative to Shifting Lands? I would LOVE a guider, or literally anything they make, but I cannot begin to bring myself to shell out over $70 after shipping to Texas. Its just too much money. It pains me to admit that honestly because I can tell from all the comments just how great these are. Is there even a domestic equivalent ? If not, can anyone tell me what the material is they are made out of? Laminate? Perhaps I can jerry rig something that would work out.
*edited a word
There is no commercially available alternative. The Guider Pro is not a complicated tool though. Get some hardboard or thin mdf and build your own. You could make one for under $10.
That is exactly the plan.
Love your channel, keep em coming
So jelly.... I need to go to Jelly school.
lol
? just build your own. with a sheet of mdf some wood glue and a couple clamps youd have one in about 20 min.
You can make a lot of things instead of buying them.