Reading some of these comments, I feel like I made a mistake of not making this even clearer in the video. This AI doesn't, nor could ever predict "who". It doesn't have a database of names or criminal records, only public data of events and locations. It's technically broader than previous algorithms used by some major cities because it quantifies the data into broad clusters rather than streets or political boundaries. TLDR: Even in the farthest stretch of the imagination, nobody would or could be arrested for a "pre-crime" as a result of this algorithm regardless of how it's used.
In Switzerland, just about everyone has a gun. Most are semi-automatics. Result: 48 murders out of 8.6 million people. Chicago -toughest gun restrictions were criminals are most likely the only ones with guns. Result: 16,426 murders for 2.7 million people. Answer to crime: Everyone needs to be lovked and loaded.
Dude, your content is insanely good. It’s a shame that these sorts of videos don’t get the attention they deserve. The range of content you make and the effort you put in is so apparent. Again, really awesome work. I came for music production information and I stayed for dozens and dozens of videos because of you and your delivery. Have a good day mate.
I do also appreciate people who put themselves out there on a wide variety of topics, it gives a personal twist on your work. It really helps people see your perspective
Now that I left my joke comment and actually finished the video, I have to say that I really appreciate what you did here. Your ability to apply logic without abandoning compassion is refreshing. I'm glad to be able to support work like this.
@@hektik7 You'll have to put more effort in than that if you want me to have a conversation with you. If I want vague political rhetoric and open-ended accusations without any explanation, I can just turn on the radio or TV. It's November 3. lol
Benn, please continue this work. I came here for the music tech content originally, but this is so much needed and you execute it brilliantly and compassionately.
As a Chicagoan, this was a very very interesting look into this issue and I appreciate the time and effort you took into making this. Purpose Over Pain - I will be sure to donate to them. That is a great organization.
The list of names at the end was absolutely heartbreaking, I couldn't help picturing my own children and their peers as I read the ages. I can't imagine the fear and trauma that must run through communities in America facing gun violence. I'm so sorry you experienced it yourself as a child, and I'm sorry for anyone else who's experienced anything like it. No-one should have to live with that or die from it. I'm from the UK myself and America's gun problems can often feel bizarre and hard to really comprehend, so I'm very grateful for your insight, clarity and humanity. Keep making videos Ben. Thank you.
It's not that I don't trust technology, but it's really hard to trust people and especially the state. How you interpret and make it sound in the video is cool and resonates with me emotionally, but I can't help but think this kind of technology would inevitably be used for the wrong kind of surveillance.
My grandpa was a master at identifying crime before it happened. I was in awe, but my mom would always hush him and call him “inappropriate” or “old fashioned.” I’ll still never know how he did it or why my mom tried to silence him.
"...criminally underrated" 👌 Maybe youtube could take pointers from that a.i. project then, and predict when the platform's algorithm is about to commit a crime...by not recommending this channel to more viewers. 😁👍✌️
yes, because murderers, criminals and r*pists always stop committing crime when they have x, y and z fulfilled! 🤢🤮🙄 that's why there's zero crime in communist countries, all throughout history! oh wait...
Wait, are you implying that by imposing suffering of not having essential needs be a certainty in life, people are desperate, afraid, and will resort to criminal, not to mention extremely dangerous means of securing that sense of security? Preposterous! /s
Has tbis been proven to stop crime at all? We tried buying homeless people their own homes and the result was junkies tearing the copper out of walls for drug money and squatting in the uninhabitable shell
We had lines of those exact physical trucks rolling through our cities and towns loaded to the brim. People throwing their guns away, for they had no use. Australia has never made a better decision.
With this video you went from being my favorite synthesizer TH-camr to one of the more important people in the world because you are one of the only people having this discussion. What would a post police state look like? What would community policing look like? Nobody is having this discussion. Thank you for bringing this up. You're a bad ass.
I'm a PhD student researching algorithmic biases so seeing the title of this video gave me some apprehension. You did a great job with this, though. Funny that I started watching this channel for the Eurorack videos... those are great too but I'm incredibly glad you're branching out like this.
don't want to knock the entire field, especially since you're interested in systemic bias, but I feel a.i. will be just another tool to perpetuate problems inherent in policing that exist today. Crime statistics supposedly proving that certain people commit crime disproportionaly (Confirmation bias; you find crime where you are looking for it) only now ramped up and justified by science/algorhitms leading to even less personal accountability. th-cam.com/video/Fd_YfwoVaEg/w-d-xo.html
You should maybe move to the hood and then cry about biases… I’ve lived in both the hood and now in a rich suburb and I can tell you this, the hood is where the crime is and it’s not even close. You people live in your ivory towers and act like you want to actually solve shit, but you don’t, you just want to score some points instead of actually solving an issue. Oh and this woman is by far the minority of wanting less police, and the gun violence is because of a broken culture and ivory tower elitists who would rather look like they care. Move to the hood, move to the SS of Chicago and tell me it’s the cops that are the problem
Benn I know me saying this doesn't do a great deal, but your channel deserves to have so much more reach. I've shared some of your videos with friends in the past since you make exceptional content, but this video needs to be seen by as many people as possible. Thanks for the reminder that apathy and nihilism towards productive change doesn't have to be the route we take. Keep up the great work.
Once again, you’ve given us a nuanced window into a complex topic. Like another commenter, I first came to your channel for the eurorack vids and have gotten so much more. Thank you, Benn.
19:17 - the emotion in this line alone, the way it feels like you're so angry and sad and fighting to keep the emotions from overcoming the delivery of the line is so strong I cried from the delivery alone.
It's incredible for me to imagine you're the only person working on this channel. From across the pond, thank you for the great work you are doing. It's always so exciting to see what you will upload next and this was truly important work
Please do not ban me but you did get some points wrong. For example, the reason he did not buy a hand gun was because it is illegal to buy a hand gun in Indiana if you live in Chicago unless you have a foid card then you will need to have a licensed arms dealers bring the gun to Chicago . The reason it is legal to buy a hunting rifle is because a lot of people come from out of state to hunt so they have different laws. I feel like he definitely had to talk to cabella’s staff found this out then was very misleading about why he bought a rifle. Like he is doing a video on this. How would this not be brought up? Plus, it is illegal to take a guns into Illinois unless you are a arms dealer. Guns can only be legally brought in by shipping them through a licensed armed dealer. Also, it was said you could go to the suburbs and just buy a gun. That is not true. You can only buy a gun if you have a foid card in the whole state of Illinois(which requires a background check and a long application process) Also gun homicides in Chicago in 2021 was not 854. Your number might be including suicides or all homicides. This is legitimate criticism so please do not ban me. I know this because I live in Chicago.
This. I posted a comment like this previously. The ATF and the 1968 Gun Control Act stated exactly what you mentioned. I was wondering how he had trouble finding this out regarding federal gun control laws because this was actually pretty easy to find on my own. Him not buying a handgun in Indiana and instead a rifle was odd too, along with his reasoning. If he was worried about a handgun he thought about buying ending up in the streets in Chicago, that implies a lack of care with regards to him owning guns, especially considering he bought a rifle.
So, firstly, you are accusing me of lying. I recorded my interactions and entire transaction at Cabela's, however it isn't entirely safe (legally) to post it on TH-cam without a waiver being signed by Cabela's, which they declined to sign. The answer I got from the dealer was "depending on the handgun". A 22LR revolver was approved. It's still unclear to me which handguns aren't allowed, but according to the floor employee, they just check the UPC and it tells them whether an out of state purchaser can buy it or not. If you don't believe me, go there yourself. Finally, if you look at the 2017 gun trace report, there's a massive gun mule problem. So this doesn't seem to matter much anyway, hence why these groups have fought so hard to simply make a "gun a month" limit that virtually anyone who isn't muling would not be affected by. Just to clear this up.
@@BennJordan I can go to Gary this weekend and see what I am told. Also it says it is illegal on the Indiana state police website. It is easy to find if you google it. You can purchase the gun in IN with a foid card then the gun need to be shipped in by an arm dealers. You should have mentioned the fact that it is illegal to bring a gun into the state of Illinois if you are not a licensed arm dealer. You make it seem like your scheme is legal. Whether people are doing it or not it would important to mention it is illegal. Just leaving that out is suspicious. Please do not ban me. Lol I actually still want to watch your channel.
@@brad.ritzel Yeah, apparently trolls have "reported me to the FBI and ATF" 🙄. I didn't actually bring a firearm back into Illinois, however. I went through IN on my way back to GA. I don't really know what to tell ya, lol. Had I not been able to buy that handgun in particular, I would have not said it. The gun trace reports tell the whole story anyway, I was just genuinely curious because these laws are constantly changing and virtually everyone on the internet is full of bs 🤣
@@BennJordan I appreciate your response. Thanks you for the dialogue with a detractor. I have emailed the Indiana state police for clarification and I will provide an update if I was incorrect. But I am very sure I am correct. It might have been legal since you live in GA not IL. Either way it seems like you understand it would have been illegal to bring it back to Illinois and you refused to mention that. If you took that rifle to Illinois that is very very illegal. As far as going back to Georgia you should be okay. I think it would legal in every state on the way. Anyone who reported your I wrong, from my understanding.
I think American politics could be summarized as "we've found a potential over-engineered solution to a problem whose solution we've known for decades but nobody with power wants to do anything about it"
My understanding of federal gun control laws is that, in adherence to the 1968 Gun Control Act and the ATF, you can cross state lines with a rifle or a shotgun you purchased from a bordering state. You can purchase handguns as well, but they would have to be shipped from the gun store in Indiana to a gun store near your hometown in Illinois before you can process the transaction and obtain the handgun. Otherwise, it would be straw purchasing and therefore a felony. I’m not trying to be contrarian or defend Indiana, but I think this is something worth pointing out.
Thank you so, so very much for this. As a young girl my entire young life was defined by violence, and it felt like music was my only personal escape. You've done a lot of good for a lot of people on quite a few occasions, but especially today.
In 2020, some friends were live streaming a protest and they heard that the police were bringing an LRAD. So, I did some digging to feed them advice on what to do. Which brought me to your video about LRAD and sound cannons. Luckily, my friends didn't get blasted with an LRAD. And I watched some more of your videos and subscribed. So, I appreciate and respect this type of content. You never know what kind of effect it might have, but hope for the best.
Genuinely appreciate the thoughtful video about the AI and its limitations. However, the highly edited gun purchase bit was disingenuous to the actual hurdles to purchasing a gun. For him to realistically have had his thoughts on what gun to buy, process the federal checks, and finalize the sale all in under 7 minutes is very doubtful. Regardless the black on black crime and prejudiced policing is still an issue that plagues not just Chicago but many major cities.
Thanks for mentioning the problem early on - if you look for crime, you'll find crime. Self-fulfilling prophecy, and the biases of the people who design, program, provide data, and analyze the results.
19:30 I swear the politicians and police chiefs would try to use the University data for selective enforcement. Is there a way to only give it to the community centers?
Hey Benn ! I hope you have a chance to read this since its a topic near and dear to my heart. For background I was have a degree in sociology with a concentration in crime and criminal justice system. Interesting enough Chicago specifically is a big topic of study in sociological circles in terms of crime thanks to Clifford R. Shaw and Henry D. McKay who collected 40ish years of crime data in Chicago. They came up with a theory of Social Disorganization. Over the 40 years of data consistently you could tell where crime would take place in Chicago by its geographical data. Very interesting study you should read if you have a chance. Long story short , these locations are all places that have historically been under funded, lack community resource, lack access to school and other basic resources. Over the 40 years the demographic of these places have changed but the crime levels continue to be high here. Okay okay .. what is my point. My point is that these IA prediction of where crime will happen and when are kind of useless. Out side of providing data of where police can come and "Help" as you pointed out in your video doesn't solve much crime. The real solution is address why crime occurs. Why people are committing these crimes comes from a societal break down of providing resources, a history of racism in how we house and education people, and how we police different people. In my opinion these AI or crime prediction tools are dangerous in that way because it makes people thing well we know where crime will occur lets take care of it that way. What we should be doing is saying we know why crime occurs and we will be providing the resources and tooling to prevent it that way. The way where we actually make society better for all those involved. I wanted to add one more point. I 100% agree with you about gun control and that it would make society so much better, but even that is still a bandaid in terms of addressing the real inequality and conditions creating the "need" of people to commit crime.
" Why people are committing these crimes comes from a societal break down of providing resources" not to you, but to all police directors and crime scientists, I would say, ...duh. people (even highly educated ones) seem to forget that 10 years is not enough to change generational impact. as Ben suggested; Ai is not needed to prevent crime. (the scientists basically said it never was meant to) it seems that instead of fixing the roof, police admin and the adjacent sectors want to sell more buckets. collecting data is like figuring out what size vs number of buckets to use to put under the leaks. looking at houses where the roof is broken, would help victims/prevent offenders much more, astronomically so. People who have something to look forward to / something to lose, don't buy guns to commit crime.
@@brmbkl ya it’s really an easy point to wrap you head around. To fix that though it requires program to fix social and racial inequality and long term programs in communities. This is costly both financially and politically since it’s not a quick fix. Politicians campaign on tough on crime and use police statistics to campaign. They don’t care about long term fixes because it long term solutions and spending don’t get them re-elected and seeing problems solved 5-10 years down the line is hard to campaign on.
@@mastermachetier5594 a scary possible result of predictive policing (not identical but similar to the topic of this essay) ; th-cam.com/video/Fd_YfwoVaEg/w-d-xo.html
I tried to post this on Reddit on r/Documentaries and your brilliant title made everyone jump to a conclusion without watching (no sarcasm). I tried to explain that this algorithm is completely different and the way it should be used is just as different. Beyond that, you didn't need that algorithm to see the actual problem, and the point was NOBODY is doing anything to combat it. Brilliant video, very thought-provoking! Also the mods removed the post because they say it wasn't a documentary lol
Man you're such a cool guy. I'm just happy you exist right right now. Fuck yeah. Edit: I've just reached the end of the video; I'm sorry if my tone seems a little weird with all of that. But my sentiment is one of love, no disrespect.
Really like this kind of video and I like how you take time to make things you care about. It's exhausting to watch actual solutions being ignored and police being touted as the one and only answer. It's wild they know literally directly where the guns are coming from down to the store and yet elected officials sit on their hands and act like its a super difficult problem to deal with. Absolutely inspiring to see the work being done by the community in Chicago, they are actually looking for solutions and trying things.
As a Canadian, we have very strict gun laws here. Now, I’m not trying to say that “everyone needs a gun all the time” but we have people being stabbed most days here in Winnipeg. We have stabbing and machete attacks and savage beatings and all matter of ultraviolent antisocial thuggery, coupled with a low saturation of firearms ownership and extreme hurdles to purchase them. My point being, banning guns is not the sole answer. Removing the roadblocks for the youth to succeed and not be forced into a life of crime is the answer. And “how do you do that” you ask? Well… I don’t fucking know, if I did, I would be fixing the world. Edit: not to imply that Benn said that banning all guns would 100% solve the issue. This is just an observation on the US gun control debate from the Canadian murder capital.
Tbh I am actually annoyed at Ubereats recommending itself, sentences autofilling on search (especially when I've talked about something), and Smart thermostats (like the ones that auto shut off in Colorado). I hate the always-on no-privacy modern lifestyle. Edit: does seem like another classic case of insanely engineered solution when there's a glaringly obvious change that isn't done because politics. Also, I don't see how dividing up cities into 1000ft chunks is significantly different than existing (usually grid) neighborhoods. ML models suffer from bias, the same as any person (although somewhat worse, potentially, because they're a black box of information that people trust cause stats). I don't get how a tool like this wouldn't be more-or-less the same as other biased predictive policing tools.
Greetings from Germany. While this was a subject that was not having direct impact on me in any way or form, since we have an incredibly strict gun law, your personal story about being shot as a kid and at the end showing how many kids died at your hometown in one year hit quite hard. It feels surreal to me from outside that this circle of violence continues with no end in sight. I hope your video did impact someone and politics take an interest. Even if it just means someone taking action in community work would be helpful. Thank you for that video, i enjoyed it and wasn't expecting that from a music oriented channel.
I had no idea you experienced gun violence first hand. The amount of trauma inflicted on those who survive is not even statistically measurable. And that's on top of the surreal amount of death casually ignored. Thank you for not being "apolitical". You're doing a good job.
Grew up in Chicago, living in Germany the last 15 years. The sheer insanity of America's relationship with weapons is so difficult to communicate. I commend your efforts to keep the focus on what really matters here - the needless loss of life. I hope I get to see a seismic shift in my lifetime. Thanks for the video.
Whelp... didn't take long for the racists and conspiracy theorists to show. I was almost tempted to engage, but then I remembered, this is a TH-cam comment thread. Y'all just keep mashin' them keys OK?
you're making great points in this. Good content, and a clear voice speaking out on an issue that's becoming worse and worse. I hope you don't have to keep this kind of content up for long, but I fear that without massive cry outs not a lot will change in the US :(
So, disclaimer, I'm still a student in Data science and am by no means an expert. ... However, while in principle I like your conclusion about how this tool could possibly be used to help empower the organizations already trying to help proactively reduce and eliminate the violence occurring. The cynic in me knows that once a tool is made, it's going to be used. Since it lives in software and is an algorithm that is trained, it is easy for this tool to fall into the wrong hands and be abused. Or possibly be a steppingstone/set a precedence to allow for more invasive algorithms/data collection in the future. Even if steps to insure against this have been made. Additionally, unless I am misunderstanding something. This model is based off of data that has been collected (specifically, not in real time). Meaning that while it is predicting and is reactive and not proactive. What I mean by this its predictions are based off of past data and applying that information to the present. Meaning that unless there is a constant stream of data being fed into this algorithm regarding current events, social media activity, sms/call activity and other sources (which would crack open a huge can of worms regarding people's right to privacy) It would simply just be making predictions and not take into account current real time events in the community. Unlike groups like purpose over pain, which are taking in current events in their area and using that to help prevent the causes of violent crime. This could be fine in theory, but it would need to be proven that the algorithm could respond to short term and longer-term trends appropriately and accurately. That brings me to another point I'd like to make regarding its accuracy. To build on my first point from earlier. There is sort of a conflict I could see where they could limit the accuracy to help alleviate the risk of the algorithm being abused (which on its own is a band-aid solution at best), there is an incentive to still make it as accurate as possible to insure it useful groups like purpose over pain. That is a hard balance to find and I'm not sure I trust being able to achieve that over simply giving more resources and funding to groups like purpose over pain. Excellent Video Ben, while I'm not sure yet if I agree with your outlook an A.I and algorithms. I really like you bringing more attention and possibly action for this situation. I know personally I'm going to bookmark purpose over pain as an organization I'd like to donate to once I'm no longer a student and have the ability to do things like donating.
Once again Ben smashing it with this video, please don't be apologetic about broadening people's minds! I love the variety of what you put out, keep doing what you do!
As a Chicagoan thank you for addressing this issue. This is far more thoughtfulness and care that has been put into this problem than our own cities administration.
How was Cabelas supposed to do this? Their zipcode has a 49k avg household income vs St Sabinas 46k, the difference is bigger in Avg Gross Income with 41k vs 35k. Where there is a huge difference is that the public school % enrollment by race in St Sabina's is 97% black (and the zipcode is 0.77% white), while Hammond is 41% black school population, and a zip code total white population at 43%. Almost any policy that Cabela's will follow to prevent Chicago residents (especially in the nearest high crime areas) - is going to look a lot like racial profiling. Since race is such a hot issue in the US - maybe the researchers should seek areas with much more homogenous demographics, and do the research, and learn the lessons there, free from the constant discussion of race....and once that low hanging fruit is collected and iterated, we can then use it to navigate the more problematic demographic discussions of contemporary US high crime areas.
Thank you. I agree fully and vote. If anybody unfollows you over this it’s probably for the best. Thanks again. Educating people is the only path on this subject.
Your channel has the best informative videos i've ever seen on youtube. Incredibly interesting and poignant subjects, treated in a gripping manner. I don't understand how you don't have more views and subscribers. Also, you should probably make a "Flashbulb FL Studio production tricks" deepdive series. That would be amazing too!
Here is the first issue. You take people who do NOT live in these areas, who do NOT go through these conditions everyday,and have them give their 'opinions' about it. You use millions of dollars to 'study' this which could have been used to create positive reinforcement and programs to keep those same people occupied.Understand there's athletes,scholars, musicians, and great minds with those same people committing crimes or the victims of. For example, why are there not better /inexpensive schools, more libraries with public resources, better /more supermarkets with better produce? Why are there not better resources to open business for LOCAL citizens,more resources to learn about finance, economics,etc? I am a person who has implemented and created programs with NO money from that community. People are tired,scared,and do not want research,they want ACTION..period..Let's start there,with actions...
So many great points brought up in this video. As someone who has lived in Chicago since 1978, who grew up in Uptown and Edgewater in the early 80s, when those neighborhoods were still very f*d up! Many decades before the gentrification of those neighborhoods. I just have to mention that a lot of people have this picture in their head that Chicago is like the Wild West and everywhere you turn people are just killing each other. 99% percent of these shootings happen in hopelessly poverty stricken neighborhoods that you and I would never have a reason to step foot in. These area's are where most all the sensationalized news headlines are coming from.
Thank you for dumping some strong emotional stuff on us. It's really sad to hear your own story, it's sad to hear the disconnect between researchers and people doing the work, and lastly thank you for honoring the children who have died.
That was equal parts fascinating and horribly sad. Being in the UK, I simply can't imagine what it's like to live with a societal problem like this. Totally unrelated to gun violence and maybe a little trite to mention in this context, but when I was 8 I fell down a quarry and sliced my left palm very deeply (broke the tendon to my thumb). My awareness of the injury at the time and my most enduring memory of the moments afterwards are eerily similar to yours, Benn - the sensation of heat, all over my legs (I was drenched in blood, it literally filled my wellington boots), was so strong and strange and totally unexpected. Didn't hurt much until after I'd got to hospital (absolutely the adrenaline).
Best thing for people to do in Chicago is to lock up people and stop giving them bail that commit these violent crimes. If these judges and attorney generals release these people and they go out and commit another act of violence then the judges and the attorney general need to be held accountable as well. The police officers are just arresting repeat offenders. When people's jobs are on the line that's when change will come
I’m also wondering why they keep releasing and re-releasing violent criminals in cities like this. Shouldn’t take an AI to figure that one out. This issue is so much more complex than gun control. Our government is actively making the situation worse and crying out that guns are the problem. I have a lot more to say on this subject but have a feeling most people wouldn’t understand
Wow, your story is scary! Great video! Being a European, I can't understand all that gun violence in the US... especially when just north of the border, in Canada, there isn't much gun violence at all! And I believe they also own quite a few guns... Here it's almost impossible to own a gun! Lastly, I know what they a re developing will help and it's far from a Minority Report situation, I hope we never get that far as a Minority Report scenario though...
#1. In comparison to a lot of other cities in the U.S. Chicago isn't even close to the top, in regards to gun violence. #2 These shootings that you hear about are not city wide, they are contained to a few extremely poverty stricken neighborhoods, mostly on Chicago's West and South side. I've lived in Chicago for 44 years, and have never been to a single one of these neighborhoods. These news headlines are sensationalized and have chosen to pick Chicago as the face of gun violence in the U.S. for their own political propaganda agenda.
Not that it's a competition but America population = 330 mil. Homicides = 24 576...... While South Africa population = 59 mil. Homicides = 21 325...... They are busy trying to abolish civilian firearm ownership here. My fear is if they achieve that the number will double.
Criminologist and retired criminal investigator speaking. We did crime analysis and prediction a lot back in my active time. By hand though, with excel sheets at best. We were very successful but I doubt any AI will reproduce our work as half the time we spent on data correction and streamlining - that (the how and why we see what they don't) then had to be explained to the carpet-floor-departement who would or would not give us personnel. 'We put an AI (magic wand, crystal ball) at it' would not have helped. Thank you for this different kind of video. We're happy to have strict gun laws in my country!
Powerful end credit sequence. Well made video. It wasn't where I thought the video was going to go when I read the title. To be fair my brain made a connection between the video game Watch_dogs and their fictional C.T.O.S surveillance system. I thought you were going to say that story was no longer a work of fiction. Watching as a Brit, I was very surprised by that roll-call at the end. Shocking, informative, well presented. Another great doco from Benn Jordan.
Australia introduced very strict gun laws in 1996 and all that happened is there were more murders with knives and blunt instruments and less with guns. You couldn't even see a change in the trend rate. Banning guns changes the weapons used, but the victim is still dead.
The best method I've heard of (just as much a pipe dream as anything else) is that ANY and all "data" that you generate online is (in the first place) stored locally in a "pod" (tiny server), and anyone who wants to access it needs permission. There's about a billion problems with this, but it's the best solution I've heard. Anything you create, on purpose or by accident, is yours first, and can only be used by others with your permission.
Man, great video. You remind me of an old known person of mine (Sounds better in german) who I grew up with, so your videos weirdly enough remind me of my childhood. Really great stuff, it's a shame that after 6 months it has only gotten near above 30k views, TH-cam Algorithm simply sucks.
Maybe I got the wrong impression, but the chat with the two scientists working on the algorithm left me with gesture that descent against the idea was mainly conspiratorial. Personally I believe the worst systems we live in are purely economics/profit driven, as you also showed later in the video regarding gun violence. I'm sure they're doing great work, but nothing will stop the „salesmen,“ I believe that's the primary fear people have with this kind of technology.. for instance if one image AI stops famous people's faces from being generated the next one will become competitive by allowing you to do so freely. Thank you for the wonderful video, well thought out and you were the right person to do it.
fantastic work on this, been watching your videos on and off for a while, but for this one you earned my sub. It's not much, but its the least I can do for someone fighting the good fight.
I am only half way into the video (and I have just watched the scam video), please keep on making these videos! These are basicly Netflix episodes except better, more entertaining and often featuring some music tech. Great stuff!
Wow this video turned pretty dark by now. So I just have to add that I also appreciate videos been real and going deep into serious topics like this one.
Hey Benn, Big camera guy from Knobcon here. Thanks for sharing this! I didn’t think it would be out so quickly. I do hope to see more about this especially since you gave some big perspective about the issue of gun violence and history of police with anecdotal experiences. I look forward to seeing this continued if you do a follow up here! Also going to do what I can to help out Purpose Over Pain as a local Chicagoan!
As a Canadian interested in music, not sure why I'm watching this, except that it is very well done, as captivating as it is heartbreaking. I really hope our southern neighbours some day fix this broken aspect of their culture; you have so much more to offer besides "guns rights."
It’s so refreshing to see and hear how much sense you make (compared to the world. You making sense is not new :P). The care you put into this kind of research is evident and it’s brilliant. I love to see how you always find the people who make things happen so human lives can get back into the frame. It’s a good reminder that some people do want to lead by example and build healthier alternatives to derail destructive loops. It’s too easy to forget these people exist. Thank you for making and sharing this content. 👍
I appreciate you as an audio engineer and former American from East Palo Alto, CA. the U.S. murder capitol of 1992. Benn, I think you are my new favorite youtuber. Keep covering new types of content! You transcend the producer community in all the right ways.
The work You are doing, just by bringing information to your audience, is going to save lives. And hopefully the Akai video is going to save a lot of your audience money! You are doing the good work Mr. Jordan.
I'll be honest, Benn, my first impression when watching this is to be highly impressed. And I remain thankful that someone like yourself (a man-machine of a walker vs a talker ha) is giving a controversial topic like this a go. My 46 yr old side tells me that these things are actually complicated as hell, just like the Human Beings which they involve. (Things) in this case refer to the factors of inner-city violent crime. I've lived in Dallas and Houston btw. A part of me wonders, if guns were somehow (miraculously) removed from the equation of these killings, if these kids would not find some other medieval means of bashing ea other to bits in gang conflicts. I am an expat living in Swden for 17yrs... In Sweden I have seen that the dramatic rise in violent crime has very little to do with guns and much more to do with cultural and social dynamics changing. About algos getting involved: for me the fear is not about the initial phase where the colleges have cranked out a kick ass algo that possesses Honest intentions, rather what this could lead to... Just as we unfortunately discovered with government wire-tapping from the likes of Snowden... or how blasts of sound are used against protestors. When money and Power get a hold of good (honest) tech, eventually thibgs will sour and rights will be eroded. One can barely protest anymore without ending up in some database. Anyway, to be fair, I know nothing about the Intricacies of the situation in Chicago, but still I am very glad and appreciate your insight and concern. Those inner-city orgs def need all the help they can get. Thx for yetzanorher nice doc 👋
"for me the fear is not about the initial phase where the colleges have cranked out a kick ass algo that possesses Honest intentions, rather what this could lead to... " indeed. ai assisted crime prevention, is only as good as the input, and the application by law enforcement. police have always "predicted" crime. not sure if ai will remove some of their bias.
I am a gun owner. I'm continually disappointed that no one in power seems interested in pushing small, sensible changes to gun laws. The one gun a month rule seems like a no-brainer, but I don't think I've seen that ever pushed. It's also disappointing to know that someone is going to get so hung up about the "assault rifle" wording at 16:35 that they'll miss the entire point of the section.
one of the other massive problems with this topic is everyone trying to use unifactorial analysis when trying to include more confounding variables would easily correct you from walking into rakes (like with the erroneous claims that government cant predictably decrease high amounts of violent crime as one example)
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Reading some of these comments, I feel like I made a mistake of not making this even clearer in the video. This AI doesn't, nor could ever predict "who". It doesn't have a database of names or criminal records, only public data of events and locations. It's technically broader than previous algorithms used by some major cities because it quantifies the data into broad clusters rather than streets or political boundaries.
TLDR: Even in the farthest stretch of the imagination, nobody would or could be arrested for a "pre-crime" as a result of this algorithm regardless of how it's used.
Be honest Benn, they’ve manifested Minority Report and you’re one of the oracles JUST BE HONEST
And for that I recommend consulting Brandon Herrera before next such video, as there were few more minor mistakes in this overall great video.
Deffinatly struck a chord with me lol. Saw this and was like NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE. TOO WEIRD.
@@MaDmanEXE always consult with Brandon Herrera.
In Switzerland, just about everyone has a gun. Most are semi-automatics. Result: 48 murders out of 8.6 million people. Chicago -toughest gun restrictions were criminals are most likely the only ones with guns. Result: 16,426 murders for 2.7 million people. Answer to crime: Everyone needs to be lovked and loaded.
Dude, your content is insanely good. It’s a shame that these sorts of videos don’t get the attention they deserve. The range of content you make and the effort you put in is so apparent.
Again, really awesome work. I came for music production information and I stayed for dozens and dozens of videos because of you and your delivery.
Have a good day mate.
I do also appreciate people who put themselves out there on a wide variety of topics, it gives a personal twist on your work. It really helps people see your perspective
Now that I left my joke comment and actually finished the video, I have to say that I really appreciate what you did here. Your ability to apply logic without abandoning compassion is refreshing. I'm glad to be able to support work like this.
Where exactly was logic applied? This video was nothing but leftist propaganda that very conveniently dodges any mention of the heart of the issue.
@@hektik7 You'll have to put more effort in than that if you want me to have a conversation with you. If I want vague political rhetoric and open-ended accusations without any explanation, I can just turn on the radio or TV. It's November 3. lol
Benn, please continue this work. I came here for the music tech content originally, but this is so much needed and you execute it brilliantly and compassionately.
As a Chicagoan, this was a very very interesting look into this issue and I appreciate the time and effort you took into making this.
Purpose Over Pain - I will be sure to donate to them. That is a great organization.
The list of names at the end was absolutely heartbreaking, I couldn't help picturing my own children and their peers as I read the ages. I can't imagine the fear and trauma that must run through communities in America facing gun violence. I'm so sorry you experienced it yourself as a child, and I'm sorry for anyone else who's experienced anything like it. No-one should have to live with that or die from it.
I'm from the UK myself and America's gun problems can often feel bizarre and hard to really comprehend, so I'm very grateful for your insight, clarity and humanity. Keep making videos Ben. Thank you.
Probably those rich people in nice neighborhoods with no police presence committing those hideous crimes
It's not that I don't trust technology, but it's really hard to trust people and especially the state. How you interpret and make it sound in the video is cool and resonates with me emotionally, but I can't help but think this kind of technology would inevitably be used for the wrong kind of surveillance.
This is the correct view
My grandpa was a master at identifying crime before it happened. I was in awe, but my mom would always hush him and call him “inappropriate” or “old fashioned.” I’ll still never know how he did it or why my mom tried to silence him.
Even at over 150k subs you are criminally underrated! I know you only do a handful of these longer form essays a year. But they really are a treat!
"...criminally underrated" 👌
Maybe youtube could take pointers from that a.i. project then, and predict when the platform's algorithm is about to commit a crime...by not recommending this channel to more viewers. 😁👍✌️
Imagine how much crime could be reduced by universal access to food, shelter, and healthcare, all of which should be human rights!
yes, because murderers, criminals and r*pists always stop committing crime when they have x, y and z fulfilled! 🤢🤮🙄
that's why there's zero crime in communist countries, all throughout history! oh wait...
This.
Correct.
Wait, are you implying that by imposing suffering of not having essential needs be a certainty in life, people are desperate, afraid, and will resort to criminal, not to mention extremely dangerous means of securing that sense of security?
Preposterous!
/s
Has tbis been proven to stop crime at all? We tried buying homeless people their own homes and the result was junkies tearing the copper out of walls for drug money and squatting in the uninhabitable shell
12,000 crime guns recovered in 2021. That would exceed the weight limit of a flatbed semi truck. 😮
We had lines of those exact physical trucks rolling through our cities and towns loaded to the brim. People throwing their guns away, for they had no use. Australia has never made a better decision.
Love these videos. Very cool that you're using your platform for good.
With this video you went from being my favorite synthesizer TH-camr to one of the more important people in the world because you are one of the only people having this discussion. What would a post police state look like? What would community policing look like? Nobody is having this discussion. Thank you for bringing this up. You're a bad ass.
I'm a PhD student researching algorithmic biases so seeing the title of this video gave me some apprehension. You did a great job with this, though. Funny that I started watching this channel for the Eurorack videos... those are great too but I'm incredibly glad you're branching out like this.
don't want to knock the entire field, especially since you're interested in systemic bias, but I feel a.i. will be just another tool to perpetuate problems inherent in policing that exist today. Crime statistics supposedly proving that certain people commit crime disproportionaly (Confirmation bias; you find crime where you are looking for it) only now ramped up and justified by science/algorhitms leading to even less personal accountability.
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You should maybe move to the hood and then cry about biases… I’ve lived in both the hood and now in a rich suburb and I can tell you this, the hood is where the crime is and it’s not even close. You people live in your ivory towers and act like you want to actually solve shit, but you don’t, you just want to score some points instead of actually solving an issue. Oh and this woman is by far the minority of wanting less police, and the gun violence is because of a broken culture and ivory tower elitists who would rather look like they care. Move to the hood, move to the SS of Chicago and tell me it’s the cops that are the problem
Benn I know me saying this doesn't do a great deal, but your channel deserves to have so much more reach. I've shared some of your videos with friends in the past since you make exceptional content, but this video needs to be seen by as many people as possible. Thanks for the reminder that apathy and nihilism towards productive change doesn't have to be the route we take. Keep up the great work.
Once again, you’ve given us a nuanced window into a complex topic. Like another commenter, I first came to your channel for the eurorack vids and have gotten so much more. Thank you, Benn.
I know these videos are hard to produce, but explaining the kind of projects you are engaged in brings it to a wide audience; its worth it. Thanks!
19:17 - the emotion in this line alone, the way it feels like you're so angry and sad and fighting to keep the emotions from overcoming the delivery of the line is so strong I cried from the delivery alone.
It's incredible for me to imagine you're the only person working on this channel. From across the pond, thank you for the great work you are doing. It's always so exciting to see what you will upload next and this was truly important work
Please do not ban me but you did get some points wrong. For example, the reason he did not buy a hand gun was because it is illegal to buy a hand gun in Indiana if you live in Chicago unless you have a foid card then you will need to have a licensed arms dealers bring the gun to Chicago . The reason it is legal to buy a hunting rifle is because a lot of people come from out of state to hunt so they have different laws. I feel like he definitely had to talk to cabella’s staff found this out then was very misleading about why he bought a rifle. Like he is doing a video on this. How would this not be brought up?
Plus, it is illegal to take a guns into Illinois unless you are a arms dealer. Guns can only be legally brought in by shipping them through a licensed armed dealer.
Also, it was said you could go to the suburbs and just buy a gun. That is not true. You can only buy a gun if you have a foid card in the whole state of Illinois(which requires a background check and a long application process)
Also gun homicides in Chicago in 2021 was not 854. Your number might be including suicides or all homicides.
This is legitimate criticism so please do not ban me.
I know this because I live in Chicago.
This. I posted a comment like this previously. The ATF and the 1968 Gun Control Act stated exactly what you mentioned. I was wondering how he had trouble finding this out regarding federal gun control laws because this was actually pretty easy to find on my own. Him not buying a handgun in Indiana and instead a rifle was odd too, along with his reasoning. If he was worried about a handgun he thought about buying ending up in the streets in Chicago, that implies a lack of care with regards to him owning guns, especially considering he bought a rifle.
So, firstly, you are accusing me of lying. I recorded my interactions and entire transaction at Cabela's, however it isn't entirely safe (legally) to post it on TH-cam without a waiver being signed by Cabela's, which they declined to sign.
The answer I got from the dealer was "depending on the handgun". A 22LR revolver was approved. It's still unclear to me which handguns aren't allowed, but according to the floor employee, they just check the UPC and it tells them whether an out of state purchaser can buy it or not. If you don't believe me, go there yourself.
Finally, if you look at the 2017 gun trace report, there's a massive gun mule problem. So this doesn't seem to matter much anyway, hence why these groups have fought so hard to simply make a "gun a month" limit that virtually anyone who isn't muling would not be affected by.
Just to clear this up.
@@BennJordan I can go to Gary this weekend and see what I am told. Also it says it is illegal on the Indiana state police website. It is easy to find if you google it. You can purchase the gun in IN with a foid card then the gun need to be shipped in by an arm dealers.
You should have mentioned the fact that it is illegal to bring a gun into the state of Illinois if you are not a licensed arm dealer. You make it seem like your scheme is legal. Whether people are doing it or not it would important to mention it is illegal. Just leaving that out is suspicious.
Please do not ban me. Lol I actually still want to watch your channel.
@@brad.ritzel Yeah, apparently trolls have "reported me to the FBI and ATF" 🙄. I didn't actually bring a firearm back into Illinois, however. I went through IN on my way back to GA.
I don't really know what to tell ya, lol. Had I not been able to buy that handgun in particular, I would have not said it. The gun trace reports tell the whole story anyway, I was just genuinely curious because these laws are constantly changing and virtually everyone on the internet is full of bs 🤣
@@BennJordan I appreciate your response. Thanks you for the dialogue with a detractor. I have emailed the Indiana state police for clarification and I will provide an update if I was incorrect. But I am very sure I am correct. It might have been legal since you live in GA not IL.
Either way it seems like you understand it would have been illegal to bring it back to Illinois and you refused to mention that.
If you took that rifle to Illinois that is very very illegal. As far as going back to Georgia you should be okay. I think it would legal in every state on the way. Anyone who reported your I wrong, from my understanding.
I think American politics could be summarized as "we've found a potential over-engineered solution to a problem whose solution we've known for decades but nobody with power wants to do anything about it"
My understanding of federal gun control laws is that, in adherence to the 1968 Gun Control Act and the ATF, you can cross state lines with a rifle or a shotgun you purchased from a bordering state. You can purchase handguns as well, but they would have to be shipped from the gun store in Indiana to a gun store near your hometown in Illinois before you can process the transaction and obtain the handgun. Otherwise, it would be straw purchasing and therefore a felony.
I’m not trying to be contrarian or defend Indiana, but I think this is something worth pointing out.
Thank you so, so very much for this. As a young girl my entire young life was defined by violence, and it felt like music was my only personal escape. You've done a lot of good for a lot of people on quite a few occasions, but especially today.
In 2020, some friends were live streaming a protest and they heard that the police were bringing an LRAD. So, I did some digging to feed them advice on what to do. Which brought me to your video about LRAD and sound cannons. Luckily, my friends didn't get blasted with an LRAD. And I watched some more of your videos and subscribed. So, I appreciate and respect this type of content. You never know what kind of effect it might have, but hope for the best.
Genuinely appreciate the thoughtful video about the AI and its limitations. However, the highly edited gun purchase bit was disingenuous to the actual hurdles to purchasing a gun. For him to realistically have had his thoughts on what gun to buy, process the federal checks, and finalize the sale all in under 7 minutes is very doubtful. Regardless the black on black crime and prejudiced policing is still an issue that plagues not just Chicago but many major cities.
Thanks for mentioning the problem early on - if you look for crime, you'll find crime. Self-fulfilling prophecy, and the biases of the people who design, program, provide data, and analyze the results.
19:30 I swear the politicians and police chiefs would try to use the University data for selective enforcement. Is there a way to only give it to the community centers?
The only people in the video I have anything bad to say about is those cops that stole money.
But I feel like you'd agree with me.
Hey Benn ! I hope you have a chance to read this since its a topic near and dear to my heart. For background I was have a degree in sociology with a concentration in crime and criminal justice system. Interesting enough Chicago specifically is a big topic of study in sociological circles in terms of crime thanks to Clifford R. Shaw and Henry D. McKay who collected 40ish years of crime data in Chicago. They came up with a theory of Social Disorganization. Over the 40 years of data consistently you could tell where crime would take place in Chicago by its geographical data. Very interesting study you should read if you have a chance. Long story short , these locations are all places that have historically been under funded, lack community resource, lack access to school and other basic resources. Over the 40 years the demographic of these places have changed but the crime levels continue to be high here.
Okay okay .. what is my point. My point is that these IA prediction of where crime will happen and when are kind of useless. Out side of providing data of where police can come and "Help" as you pointed out in your video doesn't solve much crime. The real solution is address why crime occurs. Why people are committing these crimes comes from a societal break down of providing resources, a history of racism in how we house and education people, and how we police different people. In my opinion these AI or crime prediction tools are dangerous in that way because it makes people thing well we know where crime will occur lets take care of it that way. What we should be doing is saying we know why crime occurs and we will be providing the resources and tooling to prevent it that way. The way where we actually make society better for all those involved.
I wanted to add one more point. I 100% agree with you about gun control and that it would make society so much better, but even that is still a bandaid in terms of addressing the real inequality and conditions creating the "need" of people to commit crime.
" Why people are committing these crimes comes from a societal break down of providing resources"
not to you, but to all police directors and crime scientists, I would say, ...duh.
people (even highly educated ones) seem to forget that 10 years is not enough to change generational impact.
as Ben suggested; Ai is not needed to prevent crime. (the scientists basically said it never was meant to)
it seems that instead of fixing the roof, police admin and the adjacent sectors want to sell more buckets. collecting data is like figuring out what size vs number of buckets to use to put under the leaks. looking at houses where the roof is broken, would help victims/prevent offenders much more, astronomically so.
People who have something to look forward to / something to lose, don't buy guns to commit crime.
@@brmbkl ya it’s really an easy point to wrap you head around. To fix that though it requires program to fix social and racial inequality and long term programs in communities. This is costly both financially and politically since it’s not a quick fix. Politicians campaign on tough on crime and use police statistics to campaign. They don’t care about long term fixes because it long term solutions and spending don’t get them re-elected and seeing problems solved 5-10 years down the line is hard to campaign on.
@@mastermachetier5594 a scary possible result of predictive policing (not identical but similar to the topic of this essay) ; th-cam.com/video/Fd_YfwoVaEg/w-d-xo.html
Ben your an ethical man who puts his money where his mouth is….I don’t always agree with you, but I respect you.
heartwrenching. the two unknowns at the end broke me. 🖤
People are literally building guns in their garage
They're called ghost guns
I tried to post this on Reddit on r/Documentaries and your brilliant title made everyone jump to a conclusion without watching (no sarcasm). I tried to explain that this algorithm is completely different and the way it should be used is just as different. Beyond that, you didn't need that algorithm to see the actual problem, and the point was NOBODY is doing anything to combat it. Brilliant video, very thought-provoking!
Also the mods removed the post because they say it wasn't a documentary lol
Man you're such a cool guy. I'm just happy you exist right right now. Fuck yeah.
Edit: I've just reached the end of the video; I'm sorry if my tone seems a little weird with all of that. But my sentiment is one of love, no disrespect.
Really like this kind of video and I like how you take time to make things you care about. It's exhausting to watch actual solutions being ignored and police being touted as the one and only answer. It's wild they know literally directly where the guns are coming from down to the store and yet elected officials sit on their hands and act like its a super difficult problem to deal with. Absolutely inspiring to see the work being done by the community in Chicago, they are actually looking for solutions and trying things.
Soy sociólogo y profesor en la Universidad de Costa Rica, pero llegué a tu canal por los sintetizadores. Gracias por este video! Voy a compartirlo!
Came for synths, stayed for the awesome doc. Keep fighting the good fight!
As a Canadian, we have very strict gun laws here. Now, I’m not trying to say that “everyone needs a gun all the time” but we have people being stabbed most days here in Winnipeg. We have stabbing and machete attacks and savage beatings and all matter of ultraviolent antisocial thuggery, coupled with a low saturation of firearms ownership and extreme hurdles to purchase them.
My point being, banning guns is not the sole answer. Removing the roadblocks for the youth to succeed and not be forced into a life of crime is the answer. And “how do you do that” you ask? Well… I don’t fucking know, if I did, I would be fixing the world.
Edit: not to imply that Benn said that banning all guns would 100% solve the issue. This is just an observation on the US gun control debate from the Canadian murder capital.
This is now one of my favorite videos of yours. I love your work on the ground and interviews. Keep up the good work
Tbh I am actually annoyed at Ubereats recommending itself, sentences autofilling on search (especially when I've talked about something), and Smart thermostats (like the ones that auto shut off in Colorado). I hate the always-on no-privacy modern lifestyle.
Edit:
does seem like another classic case of insanely engineered solution when there's a glaringly obvious change that isn't done because politics.
Also, I don't see how dividing up cities into 1000ft chunks is significantly different than existing (usually grid) neighborhoods. ML models suffer from bias, the same as any person (although somewhat worse, potentially, because they're a black box of information that people trust cause stats). I don't get how a tool like this wouldn't be more-or-less the same as other biased predictive policing tools.
The flags at half mast as you enter Cabela's to buy a gun was quite the....touch.
Bravo Benn. Just… Bravo. Great way to look at an issue that no one wants to look at. Going to look up purpose over pain site now.
This is really well done and one could even say commendable. Good job Benn. Thanks for sharing you awareness and not holding it against us, seriously.
Greetings from Germany. While this was a subject that was not having direct impact on me in any way or form, since we have an incredibly strict gun law, your personal story about being shot as a kid and at the end showing how many kids died at your hometown in one year hit quite hard. It feels surreal to me from outside that this circle of violence continues with no end in sight. I hope your video did impact someone and politics take an interest. Even if it just means someone taking action in community work would be helpful. Thank you for that video, i enjoyed it and wasn't expecting that from a music oriented channel.
thanks so much, benn! important content!
This should be a recurring series.
I had no idea you experienced gun violence first hand. The amount of trauma inflicted on those who survive is not even statistically measurable. And that's on top of the surreal amount of death casually ignored. Thank you for not being "apolitical". You're doing a good job.
Grew up in Chicago, living in Germany the last 15 years. The sheer insanity of America's relationship with weapons is so difficult to communicate. I commend your efforts to keep the focus on what really matters here - the needless loss of life. I hope I get to see a seismic shift in my lifetime. Thanks for the video.
We all hope against those that profit and hope that things don't ever change.There is a war of hopes with human casualties
Maybe you'll change your mind when you figure out what your Government has in mind for you.
Weapons aren't the problem, a quick look at demographic crime statistics will let you know what is.
Whelp... didn't take long for the racists and conspiracy theorists to show. I was almost tempted to engage, but then I remembered, this is a TH-cam comment thread. Y'all just keep mashin' them keys OK?
guns are awesome. you pretend like if we suddenly took them away that no one would ever die.
you're making great points in this. Good content, and a clear voice speaking out on an issue that's becoming worse and worse. I hope you don't have to keep this kind of content up for long, but I fear that without massive cry outs not a lot will change in the US :(
So, disclaimer, I'm still a student in Data science and am by no means an expert.
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However,
while in principle I like your conclusion about how this tool could possibly be used to help empower the organizations already trying to help proactively reduce and eliminate the violence occurring. The cynic in me knows that once a tool is made, it's going to be used. Since it lives in software and is an algorithm that is trained, it is easy for this tool to fall into the wrong hands and be abused. Or possibly be a steppingstone/set a precedence to allow for more invasive algorithms/data collection in the future. Even if steps to insure against this have been made.
Additionally, unless I am misunderstanding something. This model is based off of data that has been collected (specifically, not in real time). Meaning that while it is predicting and is reactive and not proactive. What I mean by this its predictions are based off of past data and applying that information to the present. Meaning that unless there is a constant stream of data being fed into this algorithm regarding current events, social media activity, sms/call activity and other sources (which would crack open a huge can of worms regarding people's right to privacy) It would simply just be making predictions and not take into account current real time events in the community. Unlike groups like purpose over pain, which are taking in current events in their area and using that to help prevent the causes of violent crime. This could be fine in theory, but it would need to be proven that the algorithm could respond to short term and longer-term trends appropriately and accurately.
That brings me to another point I'd like to make regarding its accuracy. To build on my first point from earlier. There is sort of a conflict I could see where they could limit the accuracy to help alleviate the risk of the algorithm being abused (which on its own is a band-aid solution at best), there is an incentive to still make it as accurate as possible to insure it useful groups like purpose over pain. That is a hard balance to find and I'm not sure I trust being able to achieve that over simply giving more resources and funding to groups like purpose over pain.
Excellent Video Ben, while I'm not sure yet if I agree with your outlook an A.I and algorithms. I really like you bringing more attention and possibly action for this situation. I know personally I'm going to bookmark purpose over pain as an organization I'd like to donate to once I'm no longer a student and have the ability to do things like donating.
I knew the content that was going to be in this video and you still made me cry with the ending.
Once again Ben smashing it with this video, please don't be apologetic about broadening people's minds! I love the variety of what you put out, keep doing what you do!
Just a genuine reply from you is entirely enough. Much love.
Puts a lot of things we discuss, quickly in perspective. Thank you for using your platform to educate.
Indoctrinate*
Now IA can also translate brain activity into clean text. Minority report is already here
As a Chicagoan thank you for addressing this issue. This is far more thoughtfulness and care that has been put into this problem than our own cities administration.
This was real good! That you can do anything from politics to GAS-pron to experiments in sound just makes me like your chsnnel more.
UK fella here. My jaw literally dropped when you showed the number of gun crime deaths of 2021. Damn.
Amazing video the end kinda rips the heart out brother
How was Cabelas supposed to do this?
Their zipcode has a 49k avg household income vs St Sabinas 46k, the difference is bigger in Avg Gross Income with 41k vs 35k.
Where there is a huge difference is that the public school % enrollment by race in St Sabina's is 97% black (and the zipcode is 0.77% white), while Hammond is 41% black school population, and a zip code total white population at 43%.
Almost any policy that Cabela's will follow to prevent Chicago residents (especially in the nearest high crime areas) - is going to look a lot like racial profiling.
Since race is such a hot issue in the US - maybe the researchers should seek areas with much more homogenous demographics, and do the research, and learn the lessons there, free from the constant discussion of race....and once that low hanging fruit is collected and iterated, we can then use it to navigate the more problematic demographic discussions of contemporary US high crime areas.
Thank you. I agree fully and vote.
If anybody unfollows you over this it’s probably for the best. Thanks again. Educating people is the only path on this subject.
Your channel has the best informative videos i've ever seen on youtube. Incredibly interesting and poignant subjects, treated in a gripping manner. I don't understand how you don't have more views and subscribers. Also, you should probably make a "Flashbulb FL Studio production tricks" deepdive series. That would be amazing too!
Here is the first issue. You take people who do NOT live in these areas, who do NOT go through these conditions everyday,and have them give their 'opinions' about it. You use millions of dollars to 'study' this which could have been used to create positive reinforcement and programs to keep those same people occupied.Understand there's athletes,scholars, musicians, and great minds with those same people committing crimes or the victims of. For example, why are there not better /inexpensive schools, more libraries with public resources, better /more supermarkets with better produce? Why are there not better resources to open business for LOCAL citizens,more resources to learn about finance, economics,etc? I am a person who has implemented and created programs with NO money from that community. People are tired,scared,and do not want research,they want ACTION..period..Let's start there,with actions...
Beautiful video Benn. I come to you for the GAS, I stay for the philosophy.
So many great points brought up in this video. As someone who has lived in Chicago since 1978, who grew up in Uptown and Edgewater in the early 80s, when those neighborhoods were still very f*d up! Many decades before the gentrification of those neighborhoods. I just have to mention that a lot of people have this picture in their head that Chicago is like the Wild West and everywhere you turn people are just killing each other. 99% percent of these shootings happen in hopelessly poverty stricken neighborhoods that you and I would never have a reason to step foot in. These area's are where most all the sensationalized news headlines are coming from.
Donated and Patreoned. Thanks Benn.
Thank you for dumping some strong emotional stuff on us. It's really sad to hear your own story, it's sad to hear the disconnect between researchers and people doing the work, and lastly thank you for honoring the children who have died.
I love that the opening is shot on a drone. What a great idea.
That was equal parts fascinating and horribly sad. Being in the UK, I simply can't imagine what it's like to live with a societal problem like this. Totally unrelated to gun violence and maybe a little trite to mention in this context, but when I was 8 I fell down a quarry and sliced my left palm very deeply (broke the tendon to my thumb). My awareness of the injury at the time and my most enduring memory of the moments afterwards are eerily similar to yours, Benn - the sensation of heat, all over my legs (I was drenched in blood, it literally filled my wellington boots), was so strong and strange and totally unexpected. Didn't hurt much until after I'd got to hospital (absolutely the adrenaline).
Best thing for people to do in Chicago is to lock up people and stop giving them bail that commit these violent crimes. If these judges and attorney generals release these people and they go out and commit another act of violence then the judges and the attorney general need to be held accountable as well. The police officers are just arresting repeat offenders. When people's jobs are on the line that's when change will come
I’m also wondering why they keep releasing and re-releasing violent criminals in cities like this. Shouldn’t take an AI to figure that one out. This issue is so much more complex than gun control. Our government is actively making the situation worse and crying out that guns are the problem. I have a lot more to say on this subject but have a feeling most people wouldn’t understand
Thanks for this thoughtful and important video, Benn.
Wow, your story is scary! Great video! Being a European, I can't understand all that gun violence in the US... especially when just north of the border, in Canada, there isn't much gun violence at all! And I believe they also own quite a few guns... Here it's almost impossible to own a gun! Lastly, I know what they a re developing will help and it's far from a Minority Report situation, I hope we never get that far as a Minority Report scenario though...
Thank you for making and posting this video Ben
#1. In comparison to a lot of other cities in the U.S. Chicago isn't even close to the top, in regards to gun violence. #2 These shootings that you hear about are not city wide, they are contained to a few extremely poverty stricken neighborhoods, mostly on Chicago's West and South side. I've lived in Chicago for 44 years, and have never been to a single one of these neighborhoods. These news headlines are sensationalized and have chosen to pick Chicago as the face of gun violence in the U.S. for their own political propaganda agenda.
Not that it's a competition but America population = 330 mil. Homicides = 24 576...... While South Africa population = 59 mil. Homicides = 21 325...... They are busy trying to abolish civilian firearm ownership here. My fear is if they achieve that the number will double.
Such an important message. One love from across the ocean 🏴☠
Superb Ben! Like others here, thanks for using your channel for this issue.
Criminologist and retired criminal investigator speaking. We did crime analysis and prediction a lot back in my active time. By hand though, with excel sheets at best. We were very successful but I doubt any AI will reproduce our work as half the time we spent on data correction and streamlining - that (the how and why we see what they don't) then had to be explained to the carpet-floor-departement who would or would not give us personnel. 'We put an AI (magic wand, crystal ball) at it' would not have helped.
Thank you for this different kind of video. We're happy to have strict gun laws in my country!
Powerful end credit sequence. Well made video.
It wasn't where I thought the video was going to go when I read the title. To be fair my brain made a connection between the video game Watch_dogs and their fictional C.T.O.S surveillance system. I thought you were going to say that story was no longer a work of fiction.
Watching as a Brit, I was very surprised by that roll-call at the end. Shocking, informative, well presented. Another great doco from Benn Jordan.
Australia introduced very strict gun laws in 1996 and all that happened is there were more murders with knives and blunt instruments and less with guns. You couldn't even see a change in the trend rate. Banning guns changes the weapons used, but the victim is still dead.
An unfortunately relevant comment
The best method I've heard of (just as much a pipe dream as anything else) is that ANY and all "data" that you generate online is (in the first place) stored locally in a "pod" (tiny server), and anyone who wants to access it needs permission.
There's about a billion problems with this, but it's the best solution I've heard. Anything you create, on purpose or by accident, is yours first, and can only be used by others with your permission.
Rights vs saftey is a tough one, it’s right up there with access to health care and social safety nets. Good luck!
Man, great video.
You remind me of an old known person of mine (Sounds better in german) who I grew up with, so your videos weirdly enough remind me of my childhood.
Really great stuff, it's a shame that after 6 months it has only gotten near above 30k views, TH-cam Algorithm simply sucks.
Maybe I got the wrong impression, but the chat with the two scientists working on the algorithm left me with gesture that descent against the idea was mainly conspiratorial. Personally I believe the worst systems we live in are purely economics/profit driven, as you also showed later in the video regarding gun violence. I'm sure they're doing great work, but nothing will stop the „salesmen,“ I believe that's the primary fear people have with this kind of technology.. for instance if one image AI stops famous people's faces from being generated the next one will become competitive by allowing you to do so freely. Thank you for the wonderful video, well thought out and you were the right person to do it.
fantastic work on this, been watching your videos on and off for a while, but for this one you earned my sub. It's not much, but its the least I can do for someone fighting the good fight.
I am only half way into the video (and I have just watched the scam video), please keep on making these videos! These are basicly Netflix episodes except better, more entertaining and often featuring some music tech. Great stuff!
Wow this video turned pretty dark by now. So I just have to add that I also appreciate videos been real and going deep into serious topics like this one.
Thanks for using your platform for good !
Hey Benn,
Big camera guy from Knobcon here. Thanks for sharing this! I didn’t think it would be out so quickly. I do hope to see more about this especially since you gave some big perspective about the issue of gun violence and history of police with anecdotal experiences. I look forward to seeing this continued if you do a follow up here! Also going to do what I can to help out Purpose Over Pain as a local Chicagoan!
$20 you never leave your apartment and have a neckbeard
As a Canadian interested in music, not sure why I'm watching this, except that it is very well done, as captivating as it is heartbreaking. I really hope our southern neighbours some day fix this broken aspect of their culture; you have so much more to offer besides "guns rights."
It’s so refreshing to see and hear how much sense you make (compared to the world. You making sense is not new :P). The care you put into this kind of research is evident and it’s brilliant. I love to see how you always find the people who make things happen so human lives can get back into the frame. It’s a good reminder that some people do want to lead by example and build healthier alternatives to derail destructive loops. It’s too easy to forget these people exist. Thank you for making and sharing this content. 👍
I appreciate you as an audio engineer and former American from East Palo Alto, CA. the U.S. murder capitol of 1992. Benn, I think you are my new favorite youtuber. Keep covering new types of content! You transcend the producer community in all the right ways.
The work You are doing, just by bringing information to your audience, is going to save lives.
And hopefully the Akai video is going to save a lot of your audience money!
You are doing the good work Mr. Jordan.
That last segment with the dead kids should not be that long with so many names. Rest in peace to all of them
Thank you Benn! This was an interesting video.
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I'll be honest, Benn, my first impression when watching this is to be highly impressed. And I remain thankful that someone like yourself (a man-machine of a walker vs a talker ha) is giving a controversial topic like this a go. My 46 yr old side tells me that these things are actually complicated as hell, just like the Human Beings which they involve. (Things) in this case refer to the factors of inner-city violent crime. I've lived in Dallas and Houston btw. A part of me wonders, if guns were somehow (miraculously) removed from the equation of these killings, if these kids would not find some other medieval means of bashing ea other to bits in gang conflicts. I am an expat living in Swden for 17yrs... In Sweden I have seen that the dramatic rise in violent crime has very little to do with guns and much more to do with cultural and social dynamics changing. About algos getting involved: for me the fear is not about the initial phase where the colleges have cranked out a kick ass algo that possesses Honest intentions, rather what this could lead to... Just as we unfortunately discovered with government wire-tapping from the likes of Snowden... or how blasts of sound are used against protestors. When money and Power get a hold of good (honest) tech, eventually thibgs will sour and rights will be eroded. One can barely protest anymore without ending up in some database. Anyway, to be fair, I know nothing about the Intricacies of the situation in Chicago, but still I am very glad and appreciate your insight and concern. Those inner-city orgs def need all the help they can get. Thx for yetzanorher nice doc 👋
"for me the fear is not about the initial phase where the colleges have cranked out a kick ass algo that possesses Honest intentions, rather what this could lead to... "
indeed.
ai assisted crime prevention, is only as good as the input, and the application by law enforcement.
police have always "predicted" crime. not sure if ai will remove some of their bias.
I am a gun owner. I'm continually disappointed that no one in power seems interested in pushing small, sensible changes to gun laws. The one gun a month rule seems like a no-brainer, but I don't think I've seen that ever pushed. It's also disappointing to know that someone is going to get so hung up about the "assault rifle" wording at 16:35 that they'll miss the entire point of the section.
This is a great video. I appreciate your making it.
I’m pretty sure they made a movie about this like 20 years ago and it did not end well…
Thanks for doing this, and I want more Chicago related content. In a world of BS you bring the data and perspective. Keep it up!
one of the other massive problems with this topic is everyone trying to use unifactorial analysis when trying to include more confounding variables would easily correct you from walking into rakes (like with the erroneous claims that government cant predictably decrease high amounts of violent crime as one example)
When you first showed the University of Chicago with the angelic choir I was like "Uh Oh!" and sure enough... man, that over-the-top laugh.
Thank you for making this video.