I may start a grading graded cards company... Case Cracks 10 Plastic Quality 10 Corners 9 Label Centering 9 Then slab that slab in a slab and boom! A graded graded card!
Anyone else watching this after yesterday's video about PSA stopping taking new cards because all the Timmy's are sending in every new card they have? lol. Rudy knows his stuff!
Yet Rudy also made a video a couple years ago that nobody collects complete new sets and a few months ago that nobody is placing real big dollar investment in the newer sets due to the volatility.
My girlfriend usually buys a nice rare card for me on my birthday. I’ll send them out to get graded. I never plan on selling them. They look nice in the case. And I don’t have to worry about them getting damaged accidentally.
To be fair to Timmy though, every word of this is exactly what people said about grading moxes when grading started up. Whoever slabs 10s of modern stuff will have the only 10s of modern stuff 20 years from now precisely because nobody should pay $30 to slab a $50 card, nobody cares/everyone just plays with them, etc. Main difference is mox slabbing already paid off and looks brilliant in hindsight, modern slabbing is tbd if anyone still plays 20 years from now. But if that's how somebody gets their jollies then okay, enjoy your hobby. You always have to be thinking though, where does the whale money go after ABUR/horsemen supply dries up? Will they just trade each other the same handful of cards infinitely or start buying up more sets? And if they start buying other sets will they stop being grade snobs when they do it? I guess maybe this is the whales telling us when supply runs out they'll cash it all out and the game is over. But if I know rich people I don't think they have it in them to stop chasing unregulated gains and they definitely have it in them to bully wizards into promising not to reprint what they're collecting, so maybe Timmy will be laughing at us all 20 years from now.
Fear not, I graded my championship deck collection... I mean gold border or not, I've got a mint early artwork 'birds of paradise' that's something they can't take away from me! (Literally, they can't take it away from me because in these past 11 years nobody has come close to offering my reserve price on eBay)
If i were to grade a more modern magic card it would only be for personal collection reasons to preserve the card. Like i like the theros gods and would want to grade a set one day.
I don't grade cards but I do buy graded 9 to 10 PSA/BGS cards from the newest and any sets. Buying graded cards at good prices when people are fire selling them and owning something unique feels so good and thats the point of collecting. Some people like to invest in the old stuff to be safe and others want to get ahead of the curve and buy new graded cards before they go up in price over time. Great cards even if reprinted are one thing but great cards that have great gradings become collectors items when you add time into it. What's new today, is old tomorrow. I am thankful that people do crack packs and then submit cards for grading because all I do is find them on Ebay and buy them and put them away in my collection. Buying graded cards from recent sets is something I enjoy and its relatively inexpensive while still getting the feel and rush of owning something that is unique, especially since I only buy graded 9 to 10's of the top 2 most expensive foil/non foils in a set. Those top cards are expensive for a reason and will create their own legacy over time. You don't need to buy graded Alpha to have an appreciating investment, any investment bought at a good price with a relatively liquid market is fine. Owning something unique is a grand thing and there is always someone out there willing to pay good coin for something they deem interesting. Just like sealed product I believe highly graded cards that are in the top 3 in terms of price of any set will go up in value over time.
"you know there are more variants, wild products, special products coming! "... Rudy predicted Dominaria United and the variant diarrhea to sustain "value"
He will be right about comparing MTG to sports cards....numbered cards, tons of variants, probably autographs and I wouldn't doubt "Pro player game worn gear". I was into sport cards since the 80's. It went from collecting sets, collecting your favorite player and trading extras at recess to spending hundreds of bucks a pack to possibly hit a money card. Companies don't care about you at all.....their mission is to get every penny they can from you and they are very good at it.
It is interesting to note that the TCG with the least variety levels (ignoring Eldraine-present), is the one that attracts the most for grading. Polkamon and Yuglioh have a whole lot more rarity levels and flashy variants. Timmy Theory 69: Less variants makes the higher rarity ones that do exist, more rare and thus more desirable to grade when they've aged a bit at the back of the pantry behind the extra bottles of taco sauce.
Good luck, I have an extended art foil mythic from Eldraine and I am wondering if I should get it graded. I feel like these collectors pack are the new normal.
Very interesting take on this subject. Doesn't the situation change with the masterpiece cards? Aren't they unique enough to be graded, not now, maybe in 5-10 years? Especially the "chase" cards.
Set - Return to the throne of Rudy Lotto card - foil "Phyrexian tacostand" artifact (Tap and slap your opponent with a floppy taco for each card in their graveyard. That player loses life equal to the tacos taken to the face)
I'd wager that perhaps it's because Magic is a living game and prices and value are directly related to *_playability_* and *_demand as a game piece._* If it's graded and sealed, it's *_no longer a game piece_* and technically loses value in a hard plastic case. You can't cast a graded Jace the Mind Sculptor in a game.
There were less Japanese Lilianas and apparently mythic full art foils from Eldraine than alpha lotus printed. That's a pretty amazing starting point for collecting.
I think part of the difference is that no mtg card printed in the last 5-10 years has value outside of its playability. If you look at the $500 charizard card from the recent Pokemon set, no one is paying $500 for that card because they need it to play in a deck, expensive graded Pokemon cards have added value for collectability. Current magic is not a collectors card game. People want to collect and play Pokémon cards, people just want to play magic cards.
Been getting your vids recommended to me even though I don't play lol. I do stack silver and gold coins/rounds/bars though, and there is some fascinating similarities between our two areas. The convalescence of investment, art, and hobby/fun is a WILD place that will never be tamed!
Very interesting video Rudy, thank you for the insight. I see a lot of trends in the MTG collecting world also carry into the car collecting world. I had a thought while watching though, and I’d be interested in your thoughts: You said that MTG collectors and “whales” don’t believe new cards will hold value. But can’t you say the same thing about Alpha/Beta 25 years ago? Back then, nobody though these cards would be worth anything. How many Black Lotus and Power 9 cards were ripped up, thrown out, and heavy played without a card sleeve? My point is, how can we really tell that 20-25 years from now these cards won’t have value?
This actually brings up a question I've been wanting to ask. let's say I wanted some dumb random card but highly rated that I just happen to love from my childhood for my own personal whim? How would I get one? What would be the best way to get a graded 9 or 10 Laccolith Titan, and how much would that cost? should I find a collector who has it or would I have to open boxes and send it myself?
In numismatics, the big Third Party Graders have done a lot to generate a market for graded bullion coins (coins struck solely for precious metal content), by creating a "First Strike" designation for coins received within 30 days of issuance and offering limited time opportunities to have their graded bullion coin label signed by designer, or some other person associated with the minting of the coins. There really shouldn't be a premium market for these slabbed chunks of silver, but there is. I am surprised the card graders haven't tried to generate similar gimmicks for new foil or mythic cards.
Great and informative video! Hmmm I recently sent 5 cards from "War of the Sparks" in for grading... X-) Anyway, I sent them in for my own to display a few of my favourite cards nicely at home - not planing to resell them. I just love "War of the Sparks", so many great looking cards in there like Nicol Bolas or Gideon.
a little off subject but....would the thrones of eldraine "collector booster" be worth collecting because once they run out of stock id assume they rise from the 20-30$ price tag per pack. Id guess....60$+ per pack eventually? not necessarily grade the pack but still just curious
Have you ever considered buying a few cases of 1st edition yugioh cases. Yugioh still does a first edition run, and those tend to hold value especially sealed boxes after 5+ years you even see return which is similar to magic.
some people pay a premium for graded new magic cards. particularly foils. Yea its common to get a 9.5+ or even 10. But it takes time and money to actually send them in for grading.
I think the only card that's like new that makes sense to grade for me is the yoshitaka amano lilianas in foil, I saw a good bunch of those graded and like regulars go for or at least were 1k so yeah.
I’m thinking that the reason why the newer set cards shouldn’t be graded is that there isn’t really any excuse not to keep them in mint or near mint condition. We have sleeves and binders and that good stuff now :) I’m sure that if the people playing back in the Alpha/Beta era knew that some of those cards were going to be worth thousands of dollars someday, they’d be very careful with them. I was talking to a neighbor who sold a Black Lotus (I’m not sure what edition) for $50 and was mind boggled that someone paid that much for it back in the day. Hahah!
I know more 'whales' in pokemon but PKMNTCG is dialed to milk as much money as possible from the consumer and they only put something together in a card that transcends $100 in value rarely and they keep it that way for a reason, to milk that money from the investors, stores and in general third parties. If you're an investor and you're throwing real money at stuff you're actually a volume buyer on $250-750 CIB, NIB and SNIB cartridges from the main game series. We're in it for the long haul too because until we buy 80% of the stuff on the market up you can't get more than a 10% return on anything per year with one or two exceptions. When you take these things into consideration and you compare the two you might not even see where your money comes from as someone who is accustomed to only messing with $1,000+ items investing with no more than $50,000 in one given thing that has a market cap of maybe around $2-5m? With Pokemon investing the biggest item over the next 20 years will have a market cap of what I guess to be about 160,000 items still out there worth messing with and the current average going rate of this specific item that I'm thinking of is on average around $375 each, so a $ market cap of $60m give or take. After 10 years of hunting this item every time I find one that is maybe a hair undervalued I can say, with a good margin of confidence, that we've still only accomplished buying up 65% of the market but as we get past 90% of them no longer available to the public and the remaining items being $1000+ then people will realize they wished they still had their copy which will drive demand nuts because of the level of sentiment to this specific thing. on this one item I've managed to put about $5000 in over 10 years and currently I could probably offload at around $30,000 overnight if I wanted but I would never sell what I have now for less than $250,000 and I figure that will take about 15-20 more years for things to get to those black lotus levels of stupid, though, I am nearly certain they will get there... Call it 90% certainty. Also I should note, there are 3 types of third party consumers for pokemon and they're split nearly into perfect thirds (probably intentional). You have collectors, players and investors and they're about a 1:1:1 ratio with Pokemon where something like Magic is probably Collectors, Investors, Players in a 1:5:40 ratio (Collector, Investor, Player). When's the last time you met a person who has collected every normal Magic card ever printed while spending less than $50,000 total, what's the cheapest you can get a legit black lotus?? There were only 1,100 to begin with anyways that alone with money aside means there can only be 1,100 true "Collectors" in the world. Magic is built to be played. Pokemon is balanced to keep money out of the hands of the third party.
Thumbs up for mentioning "My Pony". But to be sure, sir, it is My LITTLE Pony, and yes I will have 100 copies of all 3 cards graded PSA9 for my retirement plan.
how long will it take to grade stuff if i send in 2 or 3 cards? I've never graded before but i have some mirrodin cards i want graded that are sentimental to me. price isnt an issue...
I was waiting for you to mention the value aspect...I remember Craterhoof Behemoth being the worst mythic in Avacyn Restored but is now one of the most expensive...and vice versa for many other cards in many other sets...no point in paying 20, or even 5, to grade a card and have it plummet in value a couple years later. No one will want it unless just to have as a novelty.
I've seen people play with oversized cards as their commanders. Graded commanders are for the ballers who have little room to continue pimping out their decks.
Couple things. Fancy magic cards except foils are fairly new so beyond the old school stuff a framed perfect card doesn't have much prestige. Old foils in perfect condition are worth grading... or would be if they weren't warped almost straight out of the pack.
Yes, but no one ever cares about the MIDDLE of history. They want the new shit and the beginning. That is what stupid Timmys do not understand about grading their useless Teferi.
@@jerryw3805 That is like saying a graded Obstinate Balof will be. When the game power-creeps away from shitty standard crap, it is forgotten and no one wants it. Reserved list and old shit is all people will always want.
My thought is go with your gut... If you think a card will have value and you’re willing to pay for grading then go for it. If people are wrong in 25 years you’ll make some money. If your wrong then you’re out a few bucks for grading.
Thank you Rudy. Your insight in this video is right on target. These passionate reviews have helped me direct not only my investments in cards, but to understand peoples (including mine) nostalgia and how it can protect a market from pure commodification decimation.
Thank you. I've been sitting on the fence about sending some cards for grading but wasn't really sure of the market acceptance or if the cost was worth it. Now I know
It is becausea lot of Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh! People, are looking to collect certain singles and they can afford them once they have the money. You can have your Gardevoir ultra mega hyper art and pay all your money because you want THAT card. Even though a similar thing happens with some Mtg cards, it's not the same scale. Magic people usually want them to play, not to just show them. Yes, there are people that wants judge promos and box toppers, but rarely is just to have an altar to your collection. It's for playing with them. In pokemon a lot of people want all versions of Pikachu to have next my plushies and T shirts and anime and manga an Books.
It's hard to want to spend money on a graded new card, as the price fluctuates over time. A card could be worthless now, but years down the line will become expensive as a new combo is printed, a new meta shift, or a new rules interactions pops up. Older cards are more of a known quantity, so it is more likely to be established if it is a true investment with growth potential.
Wizards, 2023: "Thousand dollar booster packs are here! With gold plated super foily super stretched, wrap around, extended full art front&back diamond crested ultra-lotto cards!!"
I just sent the Godzilla Death Virus card off for grading and I'll be making millions of dollars! No, but seriously, I actually sent off a set of all Godzilla variants to PSA, not because I think I will make a lot of money, but because I am a huge Godzilla fan and I want those cards in a beautiful case for display without the risk of them being damaged. And I don't care if it takes PSA 6 months or even a year to return them to me, I just want them to be graded with the lowest cost possible on my side, because - as you said - it's just not worth it getting new cards graded if you want to make profit out of it.
@@vaderic1982 Same, I don't think the Godzilla cards will ever see a reprint. I don't think however it is worth it, sending them to PSA. I'm not that much into Magic grading, I normally only grade Pokémon cards. But from what I've seen, newer Magic cards don't really hold extra value when graded. I just sent my Godzilla cards off because I want them in a cool case.
Outside the full art foils from the newest set and honestly only maybe the top 5 cards from that i cant phantom why someone would want to grade the newer cards. And then only because in 5-10 years you have a nitch market to delve because there wont be anyone else doing it. Also thanks to collectors editions from here out regular magic cards will not have the monetary worth to invest in singles because everyone will want the flashy cards. Its sad because i like the direction magic is going dynamically as a game but there is no reward for me to open several booster boxes worth of cards anymore because theres not going to be a healthy market for non full art/alt frame cards until wizards stips doing that...
Found this video today. Coming from mostly buying and selling pokemon graded cards and sealed products these last few years now I'm trying to get into buying and selling magic. This video definitely helped me see the differences in magic buying and selling vs pokemon. I think the big difference is that pokemon has always had a huge emphasis on collecting and playing kinda took a backseat for awhile in the beginning which I think is particularly unique to pokemon. I think yugioh and magic etc etc mostly focuses on playing the game and that was from day one. then later on they half way and sometimes hardly try to embrace and reward collectors who really don't play the game or have any interest in actual game play. I do plan to start buying and selling magic but it's kinda tragic that Magic has failed to bring in people that care more about collecting and get people excited not only for playing the game but to also collect every card or chase that big hit.
Also worth noting, that the vast majority of magic collectors hang onto for, or trade cards out to *play.* Pokemon is probably collectors. Sports cards are all collectors. At least some might be that people have onto new magic, to use it.
Well thanks for the insight Rudy, I was gonna send my box topper Garruk and Oko off but now I'm just gonna hold onto them. Fact is I'm just a regular collector. So I'm just gonna keep collecting and enjoy it for what it is.
Damn man I moved to a new city where I don't know 2 many people... The way you make your vids, when I listen to you I feel like I have a friend XD. I have fammilly and people I am not alone at all but I just feel like listenig to a passionate friend talking about stuff I should not even care for XD. I love magic but I don't collect and I know nothing about most of what you talk abut but 4 some reason Im addicted to your vids... Anyway I love how you talk about gardening the love for your craft, very inspiring!. Have a good one Bro
It's as simple as this... sports cards collectors are after specific players or teams and graded copies of those cards fetch premium prices. Pokemon is similar that people are after specific characters and the rarest version of that character. Outside of planeswalkers and legends mtg doesnt have anything to offer for true collectors. Mtg is all about current card values and those values tend to fluctuate, especially on newer cards.
“Wow”..did Rudy just pay out half his subscribers @ 9:30? Considering that a large part of his bread and butter from Magic was made from this in 2019, i think he's getting (evn more) arrogant.
Back in the late 90s I predicted die cut cards. I still see that possible. They won't be playable unless it's your commander, but I still believe it will happen.
Tbh I can only see grading being worth it for oddities like the Comic-con promos. They already fetch a Vintage-like price point, so seeing them be worth it graded in 10+ years wouldn't shock my land.
Not long after kaladesh came out, I traded for a bgs 9.5 mana crypt, 9.5 sol ring, a 9.5 chrome mox and a 9.5 mana vault masterpiece. I paid maybe $150-$200 for each of them and I certainly don't regret it.
It's pretty much impossible to own an 8 figure collection of pokemon, because even the most expensive card, the base set holo charizard, is only worth a fraction of the price of the black lotus, or even many alpha tens. You would have to have a massive amount of sealed old product to get that amount in Pokemon.
I had a college customer confused why mtg players don't grade magic cards and why I don't know Pokemon; I responded I was10 in 1994, pokemon was for kids when it came out much later and nobody played magic by then; our two time national math bee champ had stopped caring about playing mtg by then, too much luck involved in competitive play
People are grading a lot of the new Pokémon cards because they are very optimistic of future values of the cards going up. They have seen all the older stuff increase in value and believe the new stuff will as well. I don’t think it will be as drastic as vintage Pokémon cards but lots of new generations are getting into Pokémon and in 15-20 years when they get to the age of buying collectibles the cards that are new now will probably be worth a good bit.
I acquired a bunch of force of negations all foiled. If I don’t see a reprint in a few years. Probably get a few graded. Felt like it was unique enough. Not so sure now
I agree most people just want to play. But I have no problem with investors. In fact they play an important role to help build interest in the game as well. They help people who don't understand the game at all see there is value here. Then they play the game and find they like it.
I’d send in the etched foil fetch lands from modern horizons 2 or urza’s saga from that set. There is definitely a few modern cards that should be preserved
I have a foil Lions Eye Diamond with a Kaladesh symbol that is off centered and white..should I get it graded? Also should I flop my taco in Dr. Beckett’s face and call it Hamburger Helper? Shizen.
Holy shit 274k subs......I have been watching for at least a couple years, and I never realized how this channel has grown! Makes we wanna post videos from a top my pile of money in Guam!!!
I may start a grading graded cards company...
Case Cracks 10
Plastic Quality 10
Corners 9
Label Centering 9
Then slab that slab in a slab and boom! A graded graded card!
This is what the world needs. It needs it yesterday
"Phyrexian flop taco" I'm going to build a deck and name it this!
Scars of Mirrodin is my favorite block ever.
Anyone else watching this after yesterday's video about PSA stopping taking new cards because all the Timmy's are sending in every new card they have? lol. Rudy knows his stuff!
Yet Rudy also made a video a couple years ago that nobody collects complete new sets and a few months ago that nobody is placing real big dollar investment in the newer sets due to the volatility.
You know this video is serious when Rudy takes in the effort to pronounce Yu-Gi-Oh correctly lol...
Idk it's not too hard lol
Yougleeoh?? 🤔
But not polkamon...
@@magicpesto There has to be at least one giggity, otherwise that is a signal that rudy is in danger or out of taco sauce.
Instablaster...
My girlfriend usually buys a nice rare card for me on my birthday. I’ll send them out to get graded. I never plan on selling them. They look nice in the case. And I don’t have to worry about them getting damaged accidentally.
14:45 called it. The 1/1 ring is the testing of the waters
To be fair to Timmy though, every word of this is exactly what people said about grading moxes when grading started up. Whoever slabs 10s of modern stuff will have the only 10s of modern stuff 20 years from now precisely because nobody should pay $30 to slab a $50 card, nobody cares/everyone just plays with them, etc. Main difference is mox slabbing already paid off and looks brilliant in hindsight, modern slabbing is tbd if anyone still plays 20 years from now. But if that's how somebody gets their jollies then okay, enjoy your hobby.
You always have to be thinking though, where does the whale money go after ABUR/horsemen supply dries up? Will they just trade each other the same handful of cards infinitely or start buying up more sets? And if they start buying other sets will they stop being grade snobs when they do it?
I guess maybe this is the whales telling us when supply runs out they'll cash it all out and the game is over. But if I know rich people I don't think they have it in them to stop chasing unregulated gains and they definitely have it in them to bully wizards into promising not to reprint what they're collecting, so maybe Timmy will be laughing at us all 20 years from now.
The one thing Timmy has is time
So I’m grading all these planeswalker deck Oko’s for nothing???
As long as youre grading like 1000 of them for the $5 each deal!
Fear not, I graded my championship deck collection... I mean gold border or not, I've got a mint early artwork 'birds of paradise' that's something they can't take away from me! (Literally, they can't take it away from me because in these past 11 years nobody has come close to offering my reserve price on eBay)
@@fomoran and no one ever will and because of this youre sitting on worthless cardboard while everyond else is sitting on money.
@@thedarkness125 I can't tell whether my insincerity was picked up or not...are you not being serious either?
@@Scorch428 $5 a card HAHAHAH
I'm loving these more long form type videos Rudy. I can listen to these while I do other things for a lengthy amount of time. Keep it up!
3% lady in the streets, 100% Timmy in the sheets. Giggity.
Next from WOTC, Graded Booster Packs! All cards come pre graded and slabbed!
I'm going to start a slab grading company
This is already a thing. First edition booster base boosters from Pokémon go for nearly 1500$ at this point.
If i were to grade a more modern magic card it would only be for personal collection reasons to preserve the card. Like i like the theros gods and would want to grade a set one day.
I loved theros….. I stopped playing shortly after ! I had an amazing heroic deck that one in 4 turns
I don't grade cards but I do buy graded 9 to 10 PSA/BGS cards from the newest and any sets. Buying graded cards at good prices when people are fire selling them and owning something unique feels so good and thats the point of collecting. Some people like to invest in the old stuff to be safe and others want to get ahead of the curve and buy new graded cards before they go up in price over time. Great cards even if reprinted are one thing but great cards that have great gradings become collectors items when you add time into it. What's new today, is old tomorrow. I am thankful that people do crack packs and then submit cards for grading because all I do is find them on Ebay and buy them and put them away in my collection. Buying graded cards from recent sets is something I enjoy and its relatively inexpensive while still getting the feel and rush of owning something that is unique, especially since I only buy graded 9 to 10's of the top 2 most expensive foil/non foils in a set. Those top cards are expensive for a reason and will create their own legacy over time. You don't need to buy graded Alpha to have an appreciating investment, any investment bought at a good price with a relatively liquid market is fine. Owning something unique is a grand thing and there is always someone out there willing to pay good coin for something they deem interesting. Just like sealed product I believe highly graded cards that are in the top 3 in terms of price of any set will go up in value over time.
Rudy much love respect gratitude and appreciation thank you for all you do!
"you know there are more variants, wild products, special products coming! "... Rudy predicted Dominaria United and the variant diarrhea to sustain "value"
That’s it...I’m going to corner the market on basic mountains graded!!!!
He will be right about comparing MTG to sports cards....numbered cards, tons of variants, probably autographs and I wouldn't doubt "Pro player game worn gear". I was into sport cards since the 80's. It went from collecting sets, collecting your favorite player and trading extras at recess to spending hundreds of bucks a pack to possibly hit a money card. Companies don't care about you at all.....their mission is to get every penny they can from you and they are very good at it.
"...Why is that? "
Rudy: "well i dont have an actual answer" lol just poking fun
Why not be first one to have graded oko
I have this HP Storm Crow 8th Edition. Once its graded, I'll sell it to you, Rudy.
It is interesting to note that the TCG with the least variety levels (ignoring Eldraine-present), is the one that attracts the most for grading. Polkamon and Yuglioh have a whole lot more rarity levels and flashy variants.
Timmy Theory 69: Less variants makes the higher rarity ones that do exist, more rare and thus more desirable to grade when they've aged a bit at the back of the pantry behind the extra bottles of taco sauce.
I like how he said "17 minutes" right as the timer said 17:00
Since Amonkhet, I have been grading all the Mythics and Lottery Cards in each set. 90% of them are 9.0-10.0. sitting on them for 20 years.
Good luck, I have an extended art foil mythic from Eldraine and I am wondering if I should get it graded. I feel like these collectors pack are the new normal.
because people actual play with the cards.
not here, this is an investment channel
@@fsmoura exactly. and without those timmys who buy cards so they can play with em, greedy fuckfaces would have nothing to invest in.
You can actually play with them?
Why you mad, soyboy?
@@fargnbastage go home snowflake
Happy Thanksgiving from Canada... eh?!
One of the best business men of our time.
4:08 that was funny. Rudy pretending like he lets anyone know where his collection is! Priceless
Very interesting take on this subject. Doesn't the situation change with the masterpiece cards? Aren't they unique enough to be graded, not now, maybe in 5-10 years? Especially the "chase" cards.
Set - Return to the throne of Rudy
Lotto card - foil "Phyrexian tacostand" artifact
(Tap and slap your opponent with a floppy taco for each card in their graveyard. That player loses life equal to the tacos taken to the face)
I'd wager that perhaps it's because Magic is a living game and prices and value are directly related to *_playability_* and *_demand as a game piece._*
If it's graded and sealed, it's *_no longer a game piece_* and technically loses value in a hard plastic case.
You can't cast a graded Jace the Mind Sculptor in a game.
New Collector's sets are moving that direction and grading those full art foils
There were less Japanese Lilianas and apparently mythic full art foils from Eldraine than alpha lotus printed. That's a pretty amazing starting point for collecting.
I think part of the difference is that no mtg card printed in the last 5-10 years has value outside of its playability. If you look at the $500 charizard card from the recent Pokemon set, no one is paying $500 for that card because they need it to play in a deck, expensive graded Pokemon cards have added value for collectability. Current magic is not a collectors card game. People want to collect and play Pokémon cards, people just want to play magic cards.
This needed to be said thanks Rudy, we know of so many ppl sending literal bulk to psa to get graded no wonder they’re like a year back logged
Been getting your vids recommended to me even though I don't play lol. I do stack silver and gold coins/rounds/bars though, and there is some fascinating similarities between our two areas. The convalescence of investment, art, and hobby/fun is a WILD place that will never be tamed!
Dear Rudy, I’m a Timmy wash my taco throne of eldraine cost me my hot tub.
phyrexian flop taco - we love the long form video's rudy...never stop!
4:00 personally I think it will, but over a few years. The pokemon majority are younger than the Magic players.
Very interesting video Rudy, thank you for the insight. I see a lot of trends in the MTG collecting world also carry into the car collecting world. I had a thought while watching though, and I’d be interested in your thoughts:
You said that MTG collectors and “whales” don’t believe new cards will hold value. But can’t you say the same thing about Alpha/Beta 25 years ago? Back then, nobody though these cards would be worth anything. How many Black Lotus and Power 9 cards were ripped up, thrown out, and heavy played without a card sleeve? My point is, how can we really tell that 20-25 years from now these cards won’t have value?
The reserve list is the primary thing preventing the price of new cards from being bananas
This actually brings up a question I've been wanting to ask. let's say I wanted some dumb random card but highly rated that I just happen to love from my childhood for my own personal whim? How would I get one? What would be the best way to get a graded 9 or 10 Laccolith Titan, and how much would that cost? should I find a collector who has it or would I have to open boxes and send it myself?
In numismatics, the big Third Party Graders have done a lot to generate a market for graded bullion coins (coins struck solely for precious metal content), by creating a "First Strike" designation for coins received within 30 days of issuance and offering limited time opportunities to have their graded bullion coin label signed by designer, or some other person associated with the minting of the coins. There really shouldn't be a premium market for these slabbed chunks of silver, but there is. I am surprised the card graders haven't tried to generate similar gimmicks for new foil or mythic cards.
Great and informative video! Hmmm I recently sent 5 cards from "War of the Sparks" in for grading... X-) Anyway, I sent them in for my own to display a few of my favourite cards nicely at home - not planing to resell them.
I just love "War of the Sparks", so many great looking cards in there like Nicol Bolas or Gideon.
Oversaturation of sets. Standard gotta be the biggest money pit with cards rotating out every couple years crashing the prices
a little off subject but....would the thrones of eldraine "collector booster" be worth collecting because once they run out of stock id assume they rise from the 20-30$ price tag per pack. Id guess....60$+ per pack eventually? not necessarily grade the pack but still just curious
One possible exception: I see a BGS black label Simplified Chinese foil Wrenn and Six listing for about 12K USD. I'll let you know if it's sold.
Have you ever considered buying a few cases of 1st edition yugioh cases. Yugioh still does a first edition run, and those tend to hold value especially sealed boxes after 5+ years you even see return which is similar to magic.
Large Phyrexian floptaco in the back of your face. These longer videos are very soothing somehow
some people pay a premium for graded new magic cards. particularly foils. Yea its common to get a 9.5+ or even 10. But it takes time and money to actually send them in for grading.
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I think the only card that's like new that makes sense to grade for me is the yoshitaka amano lilianas in foil, I saw a good bunch of those graded and like regulars go for or at least were 1k so yeah.
I would buy a graded set of the Japanese alt arts in foil. Although knowing that only 2 to 3 of them would ever increase in value.
wtf would you get graded form the dark??
What about a foil ext art questing beast? if youre saving it longterm, would it be worth grading?
I’m thinking that the reason why the newer set cards shouldn’t be graded is that there isn’t really any excuse not to keep them in mint or near mint condition. We have sleeves and binders and that good stuff now :) I’m sure that if the people playing back in the Alpha/Beta era knew that some of those cards were going to be worth thousands of dollars someday, they’d be very careful with them. I was talking to a neighbor who sold a Black Lotus (I’m not sure what edition) for $50 and was mind boggled that someone paid that much for it back in the day. Hahah!
Rewatching this after a poop-soup of collector boxes just makes me chuckle.
I know more 'whales' in pokemon but PKMNTCG is dialed to milk as much money as possible from the consumer and they only put something together in a card that transcends $100 in value rarely and they keep it that way for a reason, to milk that money from the investors, stores and in general third parties. If you're an investor and you're throwing real money at stuff you're actually a volume buyer on $250-750 CIB, NIB and SNIB cartridges from the main game series. We're in it for the long haul too because until we buy 80% of the stuff on the market up you can't get more than a 10% return on anything per year with one or two exceptions. When you take these things into consideration and you compare the two you might not even see where your money comes from as someone who is accustomed to only messing with $1,000+ items investing with no more than $50,000 in one given thing that has a market cap of maybe around $2-5m? With Pokemon investing the biggest item over the next 20 years will have a market cap of what I guess to be about 160,000 items still out there worth messing with and the current average going rate of this specific item that I'm thinking of is on average around $375 each, so a $ market cap of $60m give or take. After 10 years of hunting this item every time I find one that is maybe a hair undervalued I can say, with a good margin of confidence, that we've still only accomplished buying up 65% of the market but as we get past 90% of them no longer available to the public and the remaining items being $1000+ then people will realize they wished they still had their copy which will drive demand nuts because of the level of sentiment to this specific thing. on this one item I've managed to put about $5000 in over 10 years and currently I could probably offload at around $30,000 overnight if I wanted but I would never sell what I have now for less than $250,000 and I figure that will take about 15-20 more years for things to get to those black lotus levels of stupid, though, I am nearly certain they will get there... Call it 90% certainty.
Also I should note, there are 3 types of third party consumers for pokemon and they're split nearly into perfect thirds (probably intentional).
You have collectors, players and investors and they're about a 1:1:1 ratio with Pokemon where something like Magic is probably Collectors, Investors, Players in a 1:5:40 ratio (Collector, Investor, Player). When's the last time you met a person who has collected every normal Magic card ever printed while spending less than $50,000 total, what's the cheapest you can get a legit black lotus?? There were only 1,100 to begin with anyways that alone with money aside means there can only be 1,100 true "Collectors" in the world.
Magic is built to be played. Pokemon is balanced to keep money out of the hands of the third party.
Thumbs up for mentioning "My Pony". But to be sure, sir, it is My LITTLE Pony, and yes I will have 100 copies of all 3 cards graded PSA9 for my retirement plan.
I wonder what the opinion on this topic is right now given the chase cards in Kamigawa collector boosters.
how long will it take to grade stuff if i send in 2 or 3 cards? I've never graded before but i have some mirrodin cards i want graded that are sentimental to me. price isnt an issue...
I was waiting for you to mention the value aspect...I remember Craterhoof Behemoth being the worst mythic in Avacyn Restored but is now one of the most expensive...and vice versa for many other cards in many other sets...no point in paying 20, or even 5, to grade a card and have it plummet in value a couple years later. No one will want it unless just to have as a novelty.
Sports cards ment to look at, tcg are ment to play.
I've seen people play with oversized cards as their commanders. Graded commanders are for the ballers who have little room to continue pimping out their decks.
I can't agree with that, new Pokemon cards are so flashy with these new full arts.
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This has been helpful, thanks.
Couple things. Fancy magic cards except foils are fairly new so beyond the old school stuff a framed perfect card doesn't have much prestige. Old foils in perfect condition are worth grading... or would be if they weren't warped almost straight out of the pack.
New magic cards eventually become old magic cards
Yes, but no one ever cares about the MIDDLE of history. They want the new shit and the beginning. That is what stupid Timmys do not understand about grading their useless Teferi.
tygonmaster 50 years from now if magic is still around that teferi graded will be nice
@@jerryw3805 That is like saying a graded Obstinate Balof will be. When the game power-creeps away from shitty standard crap, it is forgotten and no one wants it. Reserved list and old shit is all people will always want.
tygonmaster in 50 years teferi wont be old shit?....we need to look past our noses
My thought is go with your gut...
If you think a card will have value and you’re willing to pay for grading then go for it. If people are wrong in 25 years you’ll make some money. If your wrong then you’re out a few bucks for grading.
Thank you Rudy. Your insight in this video is right on target. These passionate reviews have helped me direct not only my investments in cards, but to understand peoples (including mine) nostalgia and how it can protect a market from pure commodification decimation.
Thank you. I've been sitting on the fence about sending some cards for grading but wasn't really sure of the market acceptance or if the cost was worth it. Now I know
People also send cards off for grading on the perception that they will be worth more down the road.
Please report on the new mystery pack!!!!! Rudy was right, now let's hear about another set where they reprint every rare over $40 again.
PSA GRADED BOOSTER BOXES!!!!!
It is becausea lot of Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh! People, are looking to collect certain singles and they can afford them once they have the money.
You can have your Gardevoir ultra mega hyper art and pay all your money because you want THAT card.
Even though a similar thing happens with some Mtg cards, it's not the same scale. Magic people usually want them to play, not to just show them.
Yes, there are people that wants judge promos and box toppers, but rarely is just to have an altar to your collection. It's for playing with them.
In pokemon a lot of people want all versions of Pikachu to have next my plushies and T shirts and anime and manga an Books.
Tell that to my priceless psa 10 teferi hero of dominaria mythic edition.
A psa 10 Phelddagrif sold for a lot over the weekend... I didn't believe in flying hippos before seeing that.
It's hard to want to spend money on a graded new card, as the price fluctuates over time. A card could be worthless now, but years down the line will become expensive as a new combo is printed, a new meta shift, or a new rules interactions pops up. Older cards are more of a known quantity, so it is more likely to be established if it is a true investment with growth potential.
Great job and good luck
Always fun to get a peak into the financial world. Also, I do love phyrexian flop tacos. 🌮
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Where do I reserve these
@@paradisemime At your local town dump.
I just sent the Godzilla Death Virus card off for grading and I'll be making millions of dollars!
No, but seriously, I actually sent off a set of all Godzilla variants to PSA, not because I think I will make a lot of money, but because I am a huge Godzilla fan and I want those cards in a beautiful case for display without the risk of them being damaged. And I don't care if it takes PSA 6 months or even a year to return them to me, I just want them to be graded with the lowest cost possible on my side, because - as you said - it's just not worth it getting new cards graded if you want to make profit out of it.
I was thinking about this, too. I've got a Foil Full Art Mothra. I could see them reprinting Luminous Broodmoth but not a Mothra variant.
@@vaderic1982 Same, I don't think the Godzilla cards will ever see a reprint. I don't think however it is worth it, sending them to PSA. I'm not that much into Magic grading, I normally only grade Pokémon cards. But from what I've seen, newer Magic cards don't really hold extra value when graded. I just sent my Godzilla cards off because I want them in a cool case.
Outside the full art foils from the newest set and honestly only maybe the top 5 cards from that i cant phantom why someone would want to grade the newer cards. And then only because in 5-10 years you have a nitch market to delve because there wont be anyone else doing it.
Also thanks to collectors editions from here out regular magic cards will not have the monetary worth to invest in singles because everyone will want the flashy cards. Its sad because i like the direction magic is going dynamically as a game but there is no reward for me to open several booster boxes worth of cards anymore because theres not going to be a healthy market for non full art/alt frame cards until wizards stips doing that...
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Found this video today. Coming from mostly buying and selling pokemon graded cards and sealed products these last few years now I'm trying to get into buying and selling magic. This video definitely helped me see the differences in magic buying and selling vs pokemon. I think the big difference is that pokemon has always had a huge emphasis on collecting and playing kinda took a backseat for awhile in the beginning which I think is particularly unique to pokemon. I think yugioh and magic etc etc mostly focuses on playing the game and that was from day one. then later on they half way and sometimes hardly try to embrace and reward collectors who really don't play the game or have any interest in actual game play. I do plan to start buying and selling magic but it's kinda tragic that
Magic has failed to bring in people that care more about collecting and get people excited not only for playing the game but to also collect every card or chase that big hit.
Also worth noting, that the vast majority of magic collectors hang onto for, or trade cards out to *play.*
Pokemon is probably collectors. Sports cards are all collectors.
At least some might be that people have onto new magic, to use it.
Well thanks for the insight Rudy, I was gonna send my box topper Garruk and Oko off but now I'm just gonna hold onto them. Fact is I'm just a regular collector. So I'm just gonna keep collecting and enjoy it for what it is.
Rudy, the messiah of the NEW ERA
Damn man I moved to a new city where I don't know 2 many people... The way you make your vids, when I listen to you I feel like I have a friend XD. I have fammilly and people I am not alone at all but I just feel like listenig to a passionate friend talking about stuff I should not even care for XD. I love magic but I don't collect and I know nothing about most of what you talk abut but 4 some reason Im addicted to your vids... Anyway I love how you talk about gardening the love for your craft, very inspiring!. Have a good one Bro
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Totally agree with you Rudy, I was just thinking about this the other day on the bus while I was opening my pokemon cards and eating tacosbell
It's as simple as this... sports cards collectors are after specific players or teams and graded copies of those cards fetch premium prices. Pokemon is similar that people are after specific characters and the rarest version of that character. Outside of planeswalkers and legends mtg doesnt have anything to offer for true collectors. Mtg is all about current card values and those values tend to fluctuate, especially on newer cards.
“Wow”..did Rudy just pay out half his subscribers @ 9:30? Considering that a large part of his bread and butter from Magic was made from this in 2019, i think he's getting (evn more) arrogant.
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Back in the late 90s I predicted die cut cards. I still see that possible. They won't be playable unless it's your commander, but I still believe it will happen.
I’m curious what grade Rudy would receive? NM? EX?
Tbh I can only see grading being worth it for oddities like the Comic-con promos. They already fetch a Vintage-like price point, so seeing them be worth it graded in 10+ years wouldn't shock my land.
Not long after kaladesh came out, I traded for a bgs 9.5 mana crypt, 9.5 sol ring, a 9.5 chrome mox and a 9.5 mana vault masterpiece. I paid maybe $150-$200 for each of them and I certainly don't regret it.
It's pretty much impossible to own an 8 figure collection of pokemon, because even the most expensive card, the base set holo charizard, is only worth a fraction of the price of the black lotus, or even many alpha tens. You would have to have a massive amount of sealed old product to get that amount in Pokemon.
I had a college customer confused why mtg players don't grade magic cards and why I don't know Pokemon; I responded I was10 in 1994, pokemon was for kids when it came out much later and nobody played magic by then; our two time national math bee champ had stopped caring about playing mtg by then, too much luck involved in competitive play
People are grading a lot of the new Pokémon cards because they are very optimistic of future values of the cards going up. They have seen all the older stuff increase in value and believe the new stuff will as well. I don’t think it will be as drastic as vintage Pokémon cards but lots of new generations are getting into Pokémon and in 15-20 years when they get to the age of buying collectibles the cards that are new now will probably be worth a good bit.
I acquired a bunch of force of negations all foiled. If I don’t see a reprint in a few years. Probably get a few graded. Felt like it was unique enough. Not so sure now
Is anyone worried about sending your cards into these companies and the possibility of shadyness happening to your cards?
I agree most people just want to play. But I have no problem with investors. In fact they play an important role to help build interest in the game as well. They help people who don't understand the game at all see there is value here. Then they play the game and find they like it.
Would expanding the reserved list help the product or hurt the product?
I’d send in the etched foil fetch lands from modern horizons 2 or urza’s saga from that set. There is definitely a few modern cards that should be preserved
I have a foil Lions Eye Diamond with a Kaladesh symbol that is off centered and white..should I get it graded? Also should I flop my taco in Dr. Beckett’s face and call it Hamburger Helper? Shizen.
What about expeditions and other treasure cards?
Holy shit 274k subs......I have been watching for at least a couple years, and I never realized how this channel has grown! Makes we wanna post videos from a top my pile of money in Guam!!!