Dear Rudy: Why is grading new magic UNACCEPTABLE?

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  • @asterphyll
    @asterphyll ปีที่แล้ว +2

    14:45 called it. The 1/1 ring is the testing of the waters

  • @abelincoln1094
    @abelincoln1094 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This aged well.

  • @trshaw52
    @trshaw52 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "you know there are more variants, wild products, special products coming! "... Rudy predicted Dominaria United and the variant diarrhea to sustain "value"

  • @soniczero532
    @soniczero532 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This has been helpful, thanks.

  • @finalshade14
    @finalshade14 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Crazy looking back on this now huh

  • @Cory-G-chan
    @Cory-G-chan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Anyone else watching this after yesterday's video about PSA stopping taking new cards because all the Timmy's are sending in every new card they have? lol. Rudy knows his stuff!

    • @djdrack4681
      @djdrack4681 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yet Rudy also made a video a couple years ago that nobody collects complete new sets and a few months ago that nobody is placing real big dollar investment in the newer sets due to the volatility.

  • @muffinland
    @muffinland 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Phyrexian Flop Taco is my MtG themed grunge band.

  • @metaparcel
    @metaparcel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't grade cards but I do buy graded 9 to 10 PSA/BGS cards from the newest and any sets. Buying graded cards at good prices when people are fire selling them and owning something unique feels so good and thats the point of collecting. Some people like to invest in the old stuff to be safe and others want to get ahead of the curve and buy new graded cards before they go up in price over time. Great cards even if reprinted are one thing but great cards that have great gradings become collectors items when you add time into it. What's new today, is old tomorrow. I am thankful that people do crack packs and then submit cards for grading because all I do is find them on Ebay and buy them and put them away in my collection. Buying graded cards from recent sets is something I enjoy and its relatively inexpensive while still getting the feel and rush of owning something that is unique, especially since I only buy graded 9 to 10's of the top 2 most expensive foil/non foils in a set. Those top cards are expensive for a reason and will create their own legacy over time. You don't need to buy graded Alpha to have an appreciating investment, any investment bought at a good price with a relatively liquid market is fine. Owning something unique is a grand thing and there is always someone out there willing to pay good coin for something they deem interesting. Just like sealed product I believe highly graded cards that are in the top 3 in terms of price of any set will go up in value over time.

  • @paintballgod33
    @paintballgod33 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He will be right about comparing MTG to sports cards....numbered cards, tons of variants, probably autographs and I wouldn't doubt "Pro player game worn gear". I was into sport cards since the 80's. It went from collecting sets, collecting your favorite player and trading extras at recess to spending hundreds of bucks a pack to possibly hit a money card. Companies don't care about you at all.....their mission is to get every penny they can from you and they are very good at it.

  • @MTGMOXMAN
    @MTGMOXMAN 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yep Mox Amber Roxx

  • @mikehunt3436
    @mikehunt3436 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    In numismatics, the big Third Party Graders have done a lot to generate a market for graded bullion coins (coins struck solely for precious metal content), by creating a "First Strike" designation for coins received within 30 days of issuance and offering limited time opportunities to have their graded bullion coin label signed by designer, or some other person associated with the minting of the coins. There really shouldn't be a premium market for these slabbed chunks of silver, but there is. I am surprised the card graders haven't tried to generate similar gimmicks for new foil or mythic cards.

  • @danw3735
    @danw3735 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jeweled Lotus? Neon Red Ink?

  • @nichmiller4251
    @nichmiller4251 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rewatching this after a poop-soup of collector boxes just makes me chuckle.

  • @josephs.4813
    @josephs.4813 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    So I’m grading all these planeswalker deck Oko’s for nothing???

    • @Scorch428
      @Scorch428 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      As long as youre grading like 1000 of them for the $5 each deal!

    • @fomoran
      @fomoran 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Fear not, I graded my championship deck collection... I mean gold border or not, I've got a mint early artwork 'birds of paradise' that's something they can't take away from me! (Literally, they can't take it away from me because in these past 11 years nobody has come close to offering my reserve price on eBay)

    • @thedarkness125
      @thedarkness125 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fomoran and no one ever will and because of this youre sitting on worthless cardboard while everyond else is sitting on money.

    • @fomoran
      @fomoran 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thedarkness125 I can't tell whether my insincerity was picked up or not...are you not being serious either?

    • @ozmond
      @ozmond 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Scorch428 $5 a card HAHAHAH

  • @thatmtgnerd
    @thatmtgnerd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agreed personally I hate the concept of grading cause it just makes this hobby feel more and more like stock trading than collecting and playing

  • @ObstagoonGuy
    @ObstagoonGuy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just sent the Godzilla Death Virus card off for grading and I'll be making millions of dollars!
    No, but seriously, I actually sent off a set of all Godzilla variants to PSA, not because I think I will make a lot of money, but because I am a huge Godzilla fan and I want those cards in a beautiful case for display without the risk of them being damaged. And I don't care if it takes PSA 6 months or even a year to return them to me, I just want them to be graded with the lowest cost possible on my side, because - as you said - it's just not worth it getting new cards graded if you want to make profit out of it.

    • @vaderic1982
      @vaderic1982 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was thinking about this, too. I've got a Foil Full Art Mothra. I could see them reprinting Luminous Broodmoth but not a Mothra variant.

    • @ObstagoonGuy
      @ObstagoonGuy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vaderic1982 Same, I don't think the Godzilla cards will ever see a reprint. I don't think however it is worth it, sending them to PSA. I'm not that much into Magic grading, I normally only grade Pokémon cards. But from what I've seen, newer Magic cards don't really hold extra value when graded. I just sent my Godzilla cards off because I want them in a cool case.

  • @Poke_Garage
    @Poke_Garage 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    curious on thoughts now...

  • @superunature
    @superunature 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    some people pay a premium for graded new magic cards. particularly foils. Yea its common to get a 9.5+ or even 10. But it takes time and money to actually send them in for grading.

  • @SOLtoo
    @SOLtoo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    we're all ladies like you, Rudy.

  • @matthewbryant2972
    @matthewbryant2972 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a college customer confused why mtg players don't grade magic cards and why I don't know Pokemon; I responded I was10 in 1994, pokemon was for kids when it came out much later and nobody played magic by then; our two time national math bee champ had stopped caring about playing mtg by then, too much luck involved in competitive play

  • @qzy97
    @qzy97 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    One possible exception: I see a BGS black label Simplified Chinese foil Wrenn and Six listing for about 12K USD. I'll let you know if it's sold.

  • @sideshowonacid
    @sideshowonacid 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy shit 274k subs......I have been watching for at least a couple years, and I never realized how this channel has grown! Makes we wanna post videos from a top my pile of money in Guam!!!

  • @doctordistracto8390
    @doctordistracto8390 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    To be fair to Timmy though, every word of this is exactly what people said about grading moxes when grading started up. Whoever slabs 10s of modern stuff will have the only 10s of modern stuff 20 years from now precisely because nobody should pay $30 to slab a $50 card, nobody cares/everyone just plays with them, etc. Main difference is mox slabbing already paid off and looks brilliant in hindsight, modern slabbing is tbd if anyone still plays 20 years from now. But if that's how somebody gets their jollies then okay, enjoy your hobby.
    You always have to be thinking though, where does the whale money go after ABUR/horsemen supply dries up? Will they just trade each other the same handful of cards infinitely or start buying up more sets? And if they start buying other sets will they stop being grade snobs when they do it?
    I guess maybe this is the whales telling us when supply runs out they'll cash it all out and the game is over. But if I know rich people I don't think they have it in them to stop chasing unregulated gains and they definitely have it in them to bully wizards into promising not to reprint what they're collecting, so maybe Timmy will be laughing at us all 20 years from now.

    • @Silver-Freddy
      @Silver-Freddy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The one thing Timmy has is time

  • @magu94
    @magu94 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for the phyrexian taco rudy.

  • @TheBoxBreakers
    @TheBoxBreakers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Rudy much love respect gratitude and appreciation thank you for all you do!

  • @ducgenkitran
    @ducgenkitran 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    thinking backwards to this video the jeweled lotus is one of those outliners

  • @jayinthedark
    @jayinthedark 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video Rudy

  • @drippy4622
    @drippy4622 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Prices of all card games will fall dramatically once our generation has aged up. New kids could give a fuck about whatever the first couple sets of magic, yugioh,or pokemon were because their is no nostalgia. Which is what card games run off of. No one sees it's literally just collectors selling to collectors . No one actually is gonna pay 10000 for a cardboard card.

  • @abefroman8528
    @abefroman8528 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whether it's baseball cards or magic people have been claiming for years grading will stop being valuable because of increased card quality. Years and years prove this video wrong. It's pretty simple bruh...supply and demand.

  • @brianseguel5308
    @brianseguel5308 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is becausea lot of Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh! People, are looking to collect certain singles and they can afford them once they have the money.
    You can have your Gardevoir ultra mega hyper art and pay all your money because you want THAT card.
    Even though a similar thing happens with some Mtg cards, it's not the same scale. Magic people usually want them to play, not to just show them.
    Yes, there are people that wants judge promos and box toppers, but rarely is just to have an altar to your collection. It's for playing with them.
    In pokemon a lot of people want all versions of Pikachu to have next my plushies and T shirts and anime and manga an Books.

  • @nine1690
    @nine1690 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tbh I can only see grading being worth it for oddities like the Comic-con promos. They already fetch a Vintage-like price point, so seeing them be worth it graded in 10+ years wouldn't shock my land.

  • @mike9574
    @mike9574 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The difference between Pokémon and magic is that magic IS the game and meta relevant cards are where the value lies and Pokémon is more collected for the characters and specific characters display value. There’s way more character association in Pokémon rather than only wanting the card for its playability

  • @TheMrSlyxx
    @TheMrSlyxx 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rudy. You are literally injecting your own bias into this. There is no reason people shouldn't grade their cards, new or old. It's a matter of preference. Just cuz Rudy wants only his alpha 10's to have value doesn't mean you can't have your own graded set of your favorite stuff. Stop telling them what to do. Go shave, sit in the basement with all your pallets of crap, and cry in the dark.

  • @ThaDirtyG
    @ThaDirtyG 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m just here for the phyrexian flop taco in my face.

  • @budd1331
    @budd1331 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree most people just want to play. But I have no problem with investors. In fact they play an important role to help build interest in the game as well. They help people who don't understand the game at all see there is value here. Then they play the game and find they like it.

  • @bak2grave4u
    @bak2grave4u 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Large Pherexian Flop Taco

  • @murrax7639
    @murrax7639 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm loving these more long form type videos Rudy. I can listen to these while I do other things for a lengthy amount of time. Keep it up!

  • @satchelthurston3219
    @satchelthurston3219 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's pretty much impossible to own an 8 figure collection of pokemon, because even the most expensive card, the base set holo charizard, is only worth a fraction of the price of the black lotus, or even many alpha tens. You would have to have a massive amount of sealed old product to get that amount in Pokemon.

  • @GobiQc
    @GobiQc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn man I moved to a new city where I don't know 2 many people... The way you make your vids, when I listen to you I feel like I have a friend XD. I have fammilly and people I am not alone at all but I just feel like listenig to a passionate friend talking about stuff I should not even care for XD. I love magic but I don't collect and I know nothing about most of what you talk abut but 4 some reason Im addicted to your vids... Anyway I love how you talk about gardening the love for your craft, very inspiring!. Have a good one Bro

  • @toomanyhobbiestocount8850
    @toomanyhobbiestocount8850 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's as simple as this... sports cards collectors are after specific players or teams and graded copies of those cards fetch premium prices. Pokemon is similar that people are after specific characters and the rarest version of that character. Outside of planeswalkers and legends mtg doesnt have anything to offer for true collectors. Mtg is all about current card values and those values tend to fluctuate, especially on newer cards.

  • @philipc3262
    @philipc3262 4 ปีที่แล้ว +190

    You know this video is serious when Rudy takes in the effort to pronounce Yu-Gi-Oh correctly lol...

    • @2030bleach
      @2030bleach 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Idk it's not too hard lol

    • @derekwalter4238
      @derekwalter4238 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yougleeoh?? 🤔

    • @magicpesto
      @magicpesto 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      But not polkamon...

    • @djdrack4681
      @djdrack4681 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@magicpesto There has to be at least one giggity, otherwise that is a signal that rudy is in danger or out of taco sauce.

    • @paulcullen5712
      @paulcullen5712 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Instablaster...

  • @crispycaveman9164
    @crispycaveman9164 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    long story short if you want some graded cards go with vintage reserve list or go with pokemon or sports cards

  • @tuckersossaman4485
    @tuckersossaman4485 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Key forge is a thing!

  • @SOLtoo
    @SOLtoo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    when you summon the Phyrexian Dread Taco, bury it unless you sacrifice chalupa's with total power of 12 or more.

  • @GradedGems
    @GradedGems 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Long answer short is that pokemon market has a much larger reach and breath than MTG...not that the market is an amateur market like Rudy said imo. Pokemon will get to MTG level eventually but its behind because he forgot to take into account that it's a younger market/game therefore the collector base in general does not have as much money. If pokemon came out at the same time as MTG, it would be ahead at this point. Big whales of pokemon are not buying psa 10 Guzman btw lol

  • @MindOverManaX
    @MindOverManaX 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder what the opinion on this topic is right now given the chase cards in Kamigawa collector boosters.

  • @locokrazy
    @locokrazy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Outside the full art foils from the newest set and honestly only maybe the top 5 cards from that i cant phantom why someone would want to grade the newer cards. And then only because in 5-10 years you have a nitch market to delve because there wont be anyone else doing it.
    Also thanks to collectors editions from here out regular magic cards will not have the monetary worth to invest in singles because everyone will want the flashy cards. Its sad because i like the direction magic is going dynamically as a game but there is no reward for me to open several booster boxes worth of cards anymore because theres not going to be a healthy market for non full art/alt frame cards until wizards stips doing that...

  • @sirfishslayer5100
    @sirfishslayer5100 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You mean the Poke'Tims will buy anything graded because they are young and susceptible to shiny things?
    In other words...buy your cards...take care of them. Play them in sleeves and one day, if the card jumps up in price to an amount that makes it worth getting it graded, THEN do it. Especially if you want to sell it.
    What I think we have lost, because of the massive amounts of cards they create is the thoughtfulness of the cards created and the loss of play-ability and interaction with other cards. A lot of the new stuff is just cranked out and is just a rehash of older stuff with new fancy art and a different name...consider the Masters sets. That is just a money grab.
    I wish they would just slow the hell down, put out better cards, with new well thought out mechanics and kept it to the Core set (maybe once every other year) one new set about 150-200 cards and 1 or 2 small supplemental sets a year, then give people time to play them. Most of the cards we get NEVER GET PLAYED! It is just cardboard filler in people's binders in between the actual cards they play....if they play that set at all since by the time we get the set, another one is on it's heels! I remember we used to challenge each other to play the commons or cards people thought were stupid...and build a deck around them. Beat someone's expensive rare deck with a common stupid card deck was awesome!

  • @TheGenXGeek
    @TheGenXGeek 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Next from WOTC, Graded Booster Packs! All cards come pre graded and slabbed!

    • @poxpower
      @poxpower 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm going to start a slab grading company

    • @christopherbownes494
      @christopherbownes494 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is already a thing. First edition booster base boosters from Pokémon go for nearly 1500$ at this point.

  • @richardboss2892
    @richardboss2892 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not long after kaladesh came out, I traded for a bgs 9.5 mana crypt, 9.5 sol ring, a 9.5 chrome mox and a 9.5 mana vault masterpiece. I paid maybe $150-$200 for each of them and I certainly don't regret it.

  • @Chyeahokay
    @Chyeahokay 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They should let small business with reputable people like Rudy do grading under their name. Or with a different name that spa recognizes as an equal, with the same grading system.

  • @onegiantradish323
    @onegiantradish323 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excuse me, Rudy, but my 100 copies of pie in the sky will only rise in price, now I must get back to double sleeving all my scars of mirrodin common and uncommon. Sincerely -Timmy Timmerson

  • @mikeynma
    @mikeynma 4 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    I may start a grading graded cards company...
    Case Cracks 10
    Plastic Quality 10
    Corners 9
    Label Centering 9
    Then slab that slab in a slab and boom! A graded graded card!

  • @absoluteclownworld
    @absoluteclownworld 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Grading is shit in any situation. The grades are all over the place. Not consistent at all.

  • @fgregerfeaxcwfeffece
    @fgregerfeaxcwfeffece 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's it with the 3% lady Rudy talking about phyrexian phallus replicas?

  • @justinsnider9772
    @justinsnider9772 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    People are grading a lot of the new Pokémon cards because they are very optimistic of future values of the cards going up. They have seen all the older stuff increase in value and believe the new stuff will as well. I don’t think it will be as drastic as vintage Pokémon cards but lots of new generations are getting into Pokémon and in 15-20 years when they get to the age of buying collectibles the cards that are new now will probably be worth a good bit.

  • @jordan9503
    @jordan9503 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always just assumed most magic players are just that players where as pokemon is majority collectors

  • @Ratchetfan321
    @Ratchetfan321 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    If i were to grade a more modern magic card it would only be for personal collection reasons to preserve the card. Like i like the theros gods and would want to grade a set one day.

    • @DasherX_OG
      @DasherX_OG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I loved theros….. I stopped playing shortly after ! I had an amazing heroic deck that one in 4 turns

  • @Pandahboymtg
    @Pandahboymtg 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My commander deck is all graded cards. I throw them into a cardboard box and shake them around so I can draw cards into my hand.

  • @Drayco0220
    @Drayco0220 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    "Phyrexian flop taco" I'm going to build a deck and name it this!

    • @L0j1k
      @L0j1k 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Scars of Mirrodin is my favorite block ever.

  • @splugereport
    @splugereport 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    28% capital gains on collectibles

  • @dozi3r
    @dozi3r ปีที่แล้ว

    All thank the algorithm

  • @Nerdbuilt
    @Nerdbuilt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That’s it...I’m going to corner the market on basic mountains graded!!!!

  • @volrathgaming2525
    @volrathgaming2525 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I acquired a bunch of force of negations all foiled. If I don’t see a reprint in a few years. Probably get a few graded. Felt like it was unique enough. Not so sure now

  • @brandonsnider5871
    @brandonsnider5871 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My gut reaction before watching the video is that mostly because MTG cards aren't as nice to look at.

  • @qlcrane8019
    @qlcrane8019 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What came to mind to me is that in Pokemon the characters pretty much stay the same no matter if its a 1999 or 2019 card. Nobody in MTG cares to really grade the random +2/+2 spell number 1000. In Pokemon the 2019 pikachu is still as collectible as the oldest versions. The characters that stay the same is pretty much akin to the popularity of the older MTG cards and the powerful cards that have become so iconic and format defining that people happily grade in mtg. If we would get a 2019 black lotus? That would go to the grader instead the random cards that come from the newest standard test. Only thing that comes to mind for me is that some card types in MTG are popular to keep a collection of for example lands so those could be graded no matter if they are new cards. Sorry for bad english but I tried to explain how I feel about it

  • @Promatim
    @Promatim 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you open a box of valuable Baseball cards - what else are you going to do with them? Can't put it in a deck and play Baseball the Gathering. Might as well send it off for grading, since for a lot of card collectors, finding out exactly what you have IS the game.
    In Magic, if you open a set's chase Mythic, that's great - standard season is short, jam it into a deck, go play.

  • @peteryankowsky
    @peteryankowsky 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    And we thought grading was expensive then.....

  • @shinyhaunter6019
    @shinyhaunter6019 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The reason why you can grade new Pokemon cards is pretty much directly behind the Pokemon itself. As new magic sets come up we see new cards every time, with the exception of maybe planeswalkers, staples, ect. Blah blah blah.. But for the pokemon community example, charizard.. It's been around since the beginning.. So it's almost like a backwards reserve list... If that makes sense... As most gen 1 Pokemon Appear in almost every generation of Pokemon and are playable in a video game.. There tied to a very popular anime (again the older ones more so, legendary pkm ) so you have a lot more sentimental value for the Pokemon collectors.. Nostalgia is the best way to sell anything and time is what is making things appreciate.. Think of anything.. Pawn stars, all the coin collectors.. Like we collect what we are interested in.. But as magic is perpetually throwing 100+ cards at us every second lol.. It's kinda hard to appreciate anything when you are getting overwhelmed.. That why we have a slow process of evaluation of the sets years after.. But I guess it's just a better thing monetarily to be following what Ruby is saying here. If you want to grade some cards because you love them that's fine! But it's probably not going to pay off for... A long time .
    The only thing I'm thinking benefiting from the sooner the better is that the prices of grading no doubt will go up... ? So the sooner the better maybe... But again the risk involved is.. High!
    Great video you Pokemon noob rood

  • @crispycaveman9164
    @crispycaveman9164 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    you know i thought grading modern cards was really dumb until i saw there were tons of damaged and heavy play pokemon cards that are chase 100 dollar cards raw in near mint.. theres tons of kids who get pokemon cards and beat the hell out of them just like when it first came out. i thought no one did that in magic anymore but at neon dynasty i played against a kid who was playing with no sleeves and no mat it was tough to watch but especially with the shit print quality i would say the pop of psa 10 cards in magic is pretty low even in modern sets. i pulled a borderless card that had an inch of whitening on the bottom of the card VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT

  • @rallyrobb943
    @rallyrobb943 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree and disagree. EBay sales on graded cards picks up around BattlebThats that's only a few years ago. The older stuff will ALWAYS gain value quicker, but on a longer time line? There is profit to be made.

  • @JV-ko6ov
    @JV-ko6ov 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a psa 10 garbage fire, it's symbolic

  • @GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli
    @GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    WotC's print quality is so all over the fucking place and abysmal, that you'd think it would be *_incredibly smart and valuable_* to get new cards graded if they by some miracle have good surface, corners, and centering.

  • @cardboardu6019
    @cardboardu6019 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is some truth to this, and obviously you can't make the same argument about there not being many whales when it comes to sports cards, but what you see in sports cards is dealers and stores only grading new cards because a market has developed selling those things to the stampede of new investors coming into the hobby. The only reason I would ever want a new card graded is if I am buying a high-dollar card over the internet the slab assures me that the card is authentic, but otherwise I believe Rudy's theory is correct. Sports, like magic, has tons of these middle aged guys with good jobs that have insane collections, and I don't see that same group of people in Pokemon.

  • @coling1258
    @coling1258 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    On the Pokemon thing, it could be argued that it's because the new stuff tends to BE the desirable stuff. Power creep hit Pokemon pretty hard, and if you're collecting with the intent to play, you generally don't want the older, weaker Pokemon (Trainer cards are slightly different, where the old good ones are still good, and hold a half-decent price, but still nothing crazy).

    • @lukepayne2734
      @lukepayne2734 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      our standard rotation only allows the most recent sets making any card a year-and-a-half-old Worth nothing unless it has collectability.

  • @stuflames4769
    @stuflames4769 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It wasn't intentional, but magic made many of its most powerful cards, ever, at its inception. And then WotC put them on the reserve list.
    Power creep is a thing in Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Magic (and the rest) - but only in Magic do you really have the most powerful cards at the very start, which adds a special legitimacy to those starting cards in general.

    • @Scapegoat-po2ou
      @Scapegoat-po2ou 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The most powerful banned cards in Yu-Gi-Oh are all really old as well, with some being from the very first set. Pot of Greed, Graceful Charity, Painful Choice, Delinquent Duo, Change of Heart, etc.

  • @PlayedbyInstinct
    @PlayedbyInstinct 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My observation would be that Magic prices are often driven by players who use the cards in actual games, thus increasing demand for certain cards. Pokemon card prices are driven by collectors, who chase their favourite pokemon; you can verify this, because the same kinds of pokemon are always more valuable from set to set; Magic doesn't have this kind of continuity and instant recognition of what will be popular. You don't grade new magic because it's often hard to tell which cards are chaff; at some point someone will unearth a broken card combo and that cards value will go up accordingly as everyone builds similar decks around that combo; or a particular set will prove to be strong, and so more valuable as a whole over time, as it is tested in play. In pokemon, if you really love Gengar, of course you will want the Gengar in the new set, duh; price goes up, there's nothing else you need to know, go grade the card.

  • @crispycaveman9164
    @crispycaveman9164 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i laughed when i saw my first edition decks of keyforge are less value than the latest set

  • @mtgdog5657
    @mtgdog5657 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree that collector Timmy products aren't going to be the next MTG gold rush. And for power and black border duals, I agree that they'll continue to skyrocket.
    But Revised Duals? There's over a quarter million of each Revised Dual. Unless we enter into some crazy era where Wall Street starts taking MTG seriously, they're never going to be worth thousands of dollars.

  • @GreenThumbSyndrome
    @GreenThumbSyndrome 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pokemon is just newer so less established incomes from the OG players to drop more money on the cards/increase the cards value as high as magics. Also people more collect in pokemon than magic (gotta catch em all) so the condition is way more important to a higher % of the active engaged audience imo. Magic it seems like only the old old stuff anyone cares about the condition or how collectible it is.

  • @stereodark
    @stereodark 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rudy is 3% lady?!
    Modern and Standard singles value is very dependent on playability of the card. Look at Tarmogoyf, look at Goryo’s Vengance. These aren’t cards that keep going up in value, they oscillate up and down (giggity?) based on decks popularity. The risk of grading these newer stuff is you now send a fool Mox Opal to PSA and due to reprints, deck changes, bans the card goes from 200$ to 20$ and your graded piece will just crush into the ground

  • @ratatataraxia
    @ratatataraxia 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Obviously you’re incentivized to believe this. If investors allowed newer collectors to profit from newer items, they would lose their status naturally over time. Best way to counter becoming obsolete. Tell you’re competitors that what they are trying to do is hopeless and to just give up.

  • @joshuayoung1231
    @joshuayoung1231 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please don't call me names Rudy

  • @thomasstout25
    @thomasstout25 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rudy I know you can't answer this now, but it's 2019 now lets say I have a Booster Box of 2020 Core Set. I really don't think Magic will die, but the market as you have said will go up and down. so 30 Years from now in 2049 would spending $100 today, and I do this for say 5 years on all the new booster boxes and I let them sit for 30 years. So there is what maybe 4 or 5 sets in a year I think so 25 booster boxes in that 5 years a total of $2500 in 5 years and when im 64 in 2049 Sell them. OR Save up money in those 5 years so in the span of that 5 years of saving money go out and buy from ABU, and the first 4 sets, or some revised duel lands, and saving those for 30 years and making money on my investment.

  • @turkeyguy0
    @turkeyguy0 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know more 'whales' in pokemon but PKMNTCG is dialed to milk as much money as possible from the consumer and they only put something together in a card that transcends $100 in value rarely and they keep it that way for a reason, to milk that money from the investors, stores and in general third parties. If you're an investor and you're throwing real money at stuff you're actually a volume buyer on $250-750 CIB, NIB and SNIB cartridges from the main game series. We're in it for the long haul too because until we buy 80% of the stuff on the market up you can't get more than a 10% return on anything per year with one or two exceptions. When you take these things into consideration and you compare the two you might not even see where your money comes from as someone who is accustomed to only messing with $1,000+ items investing with no more than $50,000 in one given thing that has a market cap of maybe around $2-5m? With Pokemon investing the biggest item over the next 20 years will have a market cap of what I guess to be about 160,000 items still out there worth messing with and the current average going rate of this specific item that I'm thinking of is on average around $375 each, so a $ market cap of $60m give or take. After 10 years of hunting this item every time I find one that is maybe a hair undervalued I can say, with a good margin of confidence, that we've still only accomplished buying up 65% of the market but as we get past 90% of them no longer available to the public and the remaining items being $1000+ then people will realize they wished they still had their copy which will drive demand nuts because of the level of sentiment to this specific thing. on this one item I've managed to put about $5000 in over 10 years and currently I could probably offload at around $30,000 overnight if I wanted but I would never sell what I have now for less than $250,000 and I figure that will take about 15-20 more years for things to get to those black lotus levels of stupid, though, I am nearly certain they will get there... Call it 90% certainty.
    Also I should note, there are 3 types of third party consumers for pokemon and they're split nearly into perfect thirds (probably intentional).
    You have collectors, players and investors and they're about a 1:1:1 ratio with Pokemon where something like Magic is probably Collectors, Investors, Players in a 1:5:40 ratio (Collector, Investor, Player). When's the last time you met a person who has collected every normal Magic card ever printed while spending less than $50,000 total, what's the cheapest you can get a legit black lotus?? There were only 1,100 to begin with anyways that alone with money aside means there can only be 1,100 true "Collectors" in the world.
    Magic is built to be played. Pokemon is balanced to keep money out of the hands of the third party.

  • @sodorflubbs5000
    @sodorflubbs5000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you know what will people will pay for?

  • @CohlTrain
    @CohlTrain 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The reason is pokemon are collectable and mtg cards are used to actually play that's why the prices of mtg cards are only good on playable cards

  • @adamchampion7686
    @adamchampion7686 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a foil Lions Eye Diamond with a Kaladesh symbol that is off centered and white..should I get it graded? Also should I flop my taco in Dr. Beckett’s face and call it Hamburger Helper? Shizen.

  • @shredgnar8242
    @shredgnar8242 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Phyrexian Flop Tacos!

  • @harrisonhinton4859
    @harrisonhinton4859 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think part of the difference is that no mtg card printed in the last 5-10 years has value outside of its playability. If you look at the $500 charizard card from the recent Pokemon set, no one is paying $500 for that card because they need it to play in a deck, expensive graded Pokemon cards have added value for collectability. Current magic is not a collectors card game. People want to collect and play Pokémon cards, people just want to play magic cards.

  • @mrlucky704
    @mrlucky704 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    a little off subject but....would the thrones of eldraine "collector booster" be worth collecting because once they run out of stock id assume they rise from the 20-30$ price tag per pack. Id guess....60$+ per pack eventually? not necessarily grade the pack but still just curious

  • @paper.display1980
    @paper.display1980 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    3% of ladies have floppy taco faeces ?? i probly that got wrong....

  • @Tdcwanted
    @Tdcwanted 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Personally I think the Pokemon market and Magic market are very different. The Magic market is more people that want to use the cards to play and compete. The Pokemon market, imo, has more people that just want to collect instead of play similar to the sports card world. Just my opinion tho and obviously this is just an birds eye overview of the two complicated markets.

  • @VeGiTo3Po2
    @VeGiTo3Po2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "3% ladys like me"

  • @Drager00
    @Drager00 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    New stuff not worth grading makes sense, but why is that not true for pokemon?
    I really do like the showcase frames with the alternate arts. The stretched art extended art not so much, but eh those are cheaper to make since don't have to commission extra art.

  • @tyrantx11laboucan26
    @tyrantx11laboucan26 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Happy Thanksgiving from Canada... eh?!

  • @djdrack4681
    @djdrack4681 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is interesting to note that the TCG with the least variety levels (ignoring Eldraine-present), is the one that attracts the most for grading. Polkamon and Yuglioh have a whole lot more rarity levels and flashy variants.
    Timmy Theory 69: Less variants makes the higher rarity ones that do exist, more rare and thus more desirable to grade when they've aged a bit at the back of the pantry behind the extra bottles of taco sauce.

  • @markymarko7
    @markymarko7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rudy keeps those taco's floppy out there.

  • @blaze556922
    @blaze556922 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If money were no object for me I would be grading every single mythic and rare I open that isn't going right into a deck. Why wouldn't you if you plan on keeping this investment long-term and knowing that not doing so right away will ensure it not getting a perfect score in the future. The time to grade, is always immediately. You will regret having this stance 50 years from now. Trust me

  • @SuicidelG
    @SuicidelG 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you imagine if people felt this way in lets say 2000