hollywood ran out of ideas in the first few years. there will always be shitty movies that aren't creative and there will always be great and innovative movies.
winter of 88 my school was on lockdown due to a blizzard so back then we would go in the gym and the whole school would watch a movie... the one we got was Leonard 6... we didnt even come close to finishing it, my principal turned it off just after the killer trout scene and called it the biggest piece of crap he ever saw and put on back to the future instead.
Guess the dumbass principal didn't think, "Hey, Back to the Future is a great film. I'll bet most of the students in my school have seen it, but still it's worth watching again." I'm talking about him putting on that classic first.
Saw this when it originally aired and it's as great as I remembered. Gene Siskel's line at 6:09 cracked me up then and cracks me up now: "Oh yes, the old groin joke. Boy I'm tired of that." Miss both of these guys.
The closest I've come is Filmspotting on NPR. They get a little to into themsleves, but they will actually have an argument about films sometimes rather than just agreeing.
@@yaywhewclips242 Thing is you need people who can work together and really care about the movies they review. They didn't cry wolf about them and what they talked about was wrong with the industry, like the ratings system.
That's what's entertaining about them. They had to waste their time seeing all this garbage and they wonder why did they have to in the first place? Why were these films given green lights? At least now they no longer watch garbage films in heaven.
I think Gene may have had a couple of stiff drinks to prepare for this episode. He's genuinely angry about these godawful movies, needs to get it off his chest, and I love it. You can disagree with either or both of them about this or that particular film, but Siskel and Ebert were always sincere and they were always on our side. Miss them both.
Have you ever seen when Gene goes off on Roger for giving thumbs up to the dreadful flick Cop and 1/2? The movie began and ended Henry Winkler's career as a film director, it was that bad. It's epic and it's awesome.
Thanks for the observation, after reading this comment I watched the rest on .75 speed and it was even more entertaining, especially the two wallets bit!
It used to be on TV all of the time. I liked it when I was a kid. Towards the end of At the Movies they had the categories: See It, Skip It, Rent It. That's one I'd give a "Rent It" to . . .
@@CaptainSpalding72 I dont think George B was saying Secret Success was a good flick..He was saying it represents the 80's in a nut shell with money being secret of success
And even Travolta's director tells him the same thing in "Stayin' Alive". Sly may not be in the movie, but even only in the director's chair, he has to have that scene where the lead character is down on himself and needs a pep talk from someone that explains to them that in life, if you want it, you gotta take it yourself.
S P not to me. I prefer part iii. It wasn’t boring. It was the first I saw but it’s not my favorite. The original is. There is a reason why they put II on their worst of list
Over the Top is one of the best movies ever made. Everyone was arm wrestling in school when it came out back in the day. Just gotta turn that hat around!
Lol. That movie has a special place in my heart. I guess because i saw it when i was a child. At its core, it's about a father-son relationship and i guess it affected me a lot as a kid with a troubled relationship with my dad.
Over The Top is nowhere near one of the best movies ever. It's cheesy and predictable. Plus it's about arm wrestling, like come on! It's one thing to enjoy it, but one of the best movies ever made? In no universe is that even close to being true.
Roger Ebert: "Eddie Murphy's talented is wasted on these awful scripts." Gene Siskel: "In this next one, a man and his son trade brains, so clever. Next thing you know they're gonna make a film about two guys who trade wallets." Roger Ebert: "That's not a bad idea." Eddie Murphy: "Mother****er, ain't you ever seen Trading Places?!"
Also, that was due to those asshole Duke brothers making a one dollar bet. It wasn't what Gene was talking about. However, a few years later there was a film called Taking Care of Business that used that idea, but they didn't see it.
10:30 Siskel: "Oh, they're so clever in Hollywood, next thing you know they're gonna make a movie about two guys who trade wallets and decide to change identities." Gene practically gave Hollywood Pictures the idea for Taking Care of Business, the Charles Grodin and Jim Belushi comedy.
Ugh... Ishtar. My Dad, who ignored reviews, draggedme to see Ishtar. We left like halfway through the film. We led a mass exodus out of the theatre, all of us wanting our money back. And we got it back. Terrible film. Every so often I meet people who *like* Ishtar and I wonder who hurt them so deeply?
I think about what it takes to get a film made and I'm amazed... someone wrote a script about arm wrestling, it got pitched to somebody who said yes, then he ran it up the flagpole and more people said yes, a budget was committed to it and on it goes...no adult supervisor ever stepped up and said "hey, guys....we're talking about a movie about ARM WRESTLING! WTF is wrong with you people!?"
What helped Stallone get that film made was it was a Cannon release and the guy who ran it (Menahem Golan) was a guy who would green light so much stuff at once because he had no control over himself. Also, he directed Over the Top.
It wasn't worth it to discuss. Here are some others they could've put on their worst list: Summer School, Three o"Clock High, Superman 4, Garbage Pail Kids movie, The Lost City of Gold, Disorderlies.
@@petevaldezbc1 Sir Michael Caine made a healthy comeback after a series of unsuccessful flops. Hits like Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, The Muppets Christmas Carol, Little Voice, The Cider House Rules (AA, 2000), Miss Congeniality, The Quiet American (AAN, 2003), Austin Powers 3, Batman Begins, Bewitched, Children of Men among others.
This movie is the most bafflingly bad movie I've ever seen in my life. If I was born in 1987 and saw it in theaters, I would have walked out. I caught it on streaming and cut it off midway. Finished it weeks later and I was surprised that it actually got worse. It's personally the worst movie I've ever seen.
Can't really blame Whoopi, even with the success of The Color Purple it would have been hard for her to get the good top tier roles like Meryl Streep and Kathleen Turner.
They didn't review the Superman film. As for Jaws the Revenge, they said at the beginning that some of the films they could've mentioned weren't worth a second look. I guess this was one of them.
@@str.77 Jaws the Revenge had Michael Caine, and they utterly (and hilariously) trashed the film when it came out. Ebert gave it zero stars, so it was obviously in the realm of films he might have included among his worst of '87. They just for whatever reason decided not to include it on this list.
@@str.77 Just for the record, I've never seen Jaws: The Revenge. I have seen Superman IV--as a kid, and even at that uncritical age I had some awareness of how awful it was. (I am, though, a fan of the first Jaws and the first two Superman films.)
#10 Tough Guys Don't Dance #9 Over The Top #8 Ninja Commandments #7 Howling III #6 Leonard Part 6 #5 Silent Night, Deadly Night Part 2 #4 Superman IV: The Quest For Peace #3 Teen Wolf 2 #2 The Garbage Pail Kids Movie #1 Jaws: The Revenge
TH-cam with a rare W! They left these legendary episodes up for all of us to enjoy. But what happens when your man wants to watch some Jake and the Fatman on here? "STOP! THIEF!"
OMG! Like Father, Like Son! Haha! I haven't seen that movie in 20 years! It used to be one of my childhood favorites. I NEED to go and buy a copy of that one. As well as 'No Holds Barred' and 'Over The Top'!
Years ago I tried to watch Ishtar when there was something or a minor critical re-evaluation going on. I tried, I really tried, but I don't think I even made it to the half hour mark. It was painful.
I didn’t think it was as bad as people said back then, but it wasn’t any masterpiece either. It really should just be a forgotten comedy that wasn’t as funny as it thought it was.
Pryor was suffering from MS, and it was really fucking him up by then. You can see it in his eyes from this movie through Harlem Nights. But a great film he did was Moving, it's insane.
In addition, Mel Brooks' company Brooksfilms who produced lavish comedies that make audiences laugh, cry and think. And the result was "Moving" with Richard Pryor. Released by Warner Bros. in 1988.
It's as wise as a bumper sticker. There's a reason why the Bible is a book, and the people who quote from it really don't understand what it's saying....
Man, I would just LOVE to see these guys reviewing movies from today. Wow. I can only imagine what they would say about the trash like these reboots and these pathetic superhero movies being made today. Some of the worst movies ever made, period.
Totally, I was 7. It’s still in my top 10. I can watch it once a week. And secret of my success is a classic. Territno even put it on his top 5 movies of 1987
WHAT?!?! beverely hills cop2 is excellent!!!! eddie's in top form, ashton & reinhold are great, chief lutz played by allen garfield, brigitte neilson is actually decent, dean stockwell, jurgen prochnow, gil hill, pre-fame paul reiser as jeffrey... all great! but, gilbert gottfried as sidney bernstein is priceless!! oh shit, & the late robert pastorelli as the credit card crook. maaan, sometimes these two really fucked it up.
The best indie films from that year were Matewan, Barfly, and Prick up Your Ears. Between '85 and '89, we fell in love with the indie genre. Baghdad Cafe, Sid and Nancy, Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown, The Bad Lieutenant, Betty Blue, Eddie Murphy's Raw, and My Beautiful are among some of my favorites.
Their _Leonard Part 6_ review is seriously one of the funniest dishings I've ever seen. The only thing that matches it is Mark Twain's _The Literary Offences of James Fenimore Cooper_.
Completely disagree with "Secret of My Success" on this list, although that was a very funny line by Roger. I agree with the rest of their choices. Beverly Hills Cop 2 and 3 were truly awful (although they didn't like the first one either), showing that almost all comedy sequels stink. Never saw "Over the Top", and given the scenes I've seen, and the subject matter, I don't think I'm missing anything. "Burglar" was terrible, and it was during a bad run of flops for Whoopi, ending with "Sister Act" and "Ghost". "Leonard, Part 6" and "Ghost Dad"? Ummm, you make your own opinions about Cosby's career and his off-the-screen problems. And "Ishtar" was voted worst movie by just about all critics.
Producer-director Herbert Ross and producers Ray Stark, Martin Jurow, executive producers Joseph M. Caracciolo, Mary Kay Powell and associate producer Norman Gay whose notable contributions to help make Focus' The Secret of My Success - 1987's low budget film that still has charm today.
Anyone remember if they reviewed "Flowers in the Attic" that year? I found no print reviews from them either. That usually meant they couldn't find time to review it (which was unlikely due to the film's high profile at the time), or they saw it but hated it so much that they walked out of the theater mid-movie and didn't review it. The movie was widely panned at the time, so the latter was likely. S&E had a policy with the studios that if they walked out on a film, they weren't allowed to review it or talk about it -- sort of like a NDA.
I forgot about that film. It nearly ended Victoria Tennant's career (which honestly was only revived due to her soon-to-be romance with and marriage to Steve Martin, who put her in all of his films in the late-80's - early-90's). It did end Louise Fletcher's film career, and nearly her entire acting career until "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" saved it soon afterwards.
I thought "Flowers in the Attic" was just a TV movie not something that got a theatrical run. I liked the movie and its grim dark tone. I have heard the book was even better. If it was just made for TV S&E would not have reviewed it.
10:30 Gene Siskel unknowingly writes the plot of the 1990 Jim Belushi comedy “Taking Care Of Business.” And I bet they didn’t even give him a screenwriting credit. (Note: they didn’t. It’s freakin’ J.J. Abrams. The guy who wrote Regarding Henry.)
Siskel did that a lot, actually, dreamed up joking alternate plots for movies he hated. Hell, half the time his ideas WERE more interesting than the original premise.
I love some of those movies for nostalgic reasons. I was born in 1989 and I know Over the Top since the early 90s, so this one means a lot too me. But even something like Beverly Hills Cop 2 and the Secret of my Success, which I first saw in 2013 and 2017 respectively.
I wouldn't think of calling any of the top ten most grossing movies of 1987 "bombs" or one of the "worst films of the year." Today they advertise to get people into the theater opening weekend. Or a money-making movie might be saved by the overseas market that want to see babes, cars and/or robots. People who saw _Beverly Hills Cop 2_ and _The Secret of My Success_ had a chance to read reviews and hear word-of-mouth to walk away, but they chose not to.
S&E did say that the theme of the show was big stars who bomed big time, in their eyes, in 1987. They must have felt that Jaws The Revenge was already destined to be a bad movie, already flopped big with audiences and critics, and Michael Caine, talented actor he is, was not the big box office name that Michael J. Fox or Whoopi Goldberg were at the time.
@SWill0281 They say it at the top of the show in the review. Helen Brodly was a "trivia question". by that time. Michael Caine's career hadn't reached the pinnacle its at now.
@@orbison Caine actually gave up the opportunity to accept his Oscar for Hannah and Her Sisters because he was filming Jaws 4. I guess he felt that if he had left the set, he couldn't bring himself to come back. So winning an Oscar doesn't make you a big box office name?
Saw Secret of My Success in the theatre opening weekend. Audience loved it! Only years-decades later do I discover how wrong I was for enjoying this “gem.” Oh, ignorance is truly bliss!
Not having Siskel & Ebert, or any worthy successor since Ebert & Roper (despite many attempts), has been a severe cultural disadvantage in America for the last couple of decades.
Agreed, there really is nobody in the culture anymore with a strong intelligent voice e reviewing movies. There’s the still good writers but they don’t have a big audience, and there are a million podcasts and TH-cam channels that just don’t have the critical or artistic eye to do it well.
@@HkFinn83 BTW, the worst example of this cultural deficit that I personally saw was on Roger's own attempt to provide a successor to S&E (after Gene died, "Ebert & Roper" had run its course, and Roger lost his voice to surgery), when his two young proteges contradicted the absolute lowest review to ever appear on any of the S&E programs: "I Spit on Your Grave." Roger and Gene could not have condemned that "film" for its misogynistic violence any more deeply, both agreeing that it was the worst release of that year. But the two MTV-era reviewers, probably having been desensitized by additional decades of mindlessly portrayed cruelty, felt that it had merit. (They do deserve credit for personal integrity for daring to contradict their boss, even if their conclusion was patently wrong.)
And for some reason, people still embrace it. They don't care about the quality. If the film is entertaining in a primitive fashion, that's good enough for them. I strive for movies to be more than that.
They said in the beginning that they were going after the big movies and blockbusters of that year. To quote Roger Ebert @1:12 "Not so much the little bad films, but the big blockbuster bombs." The Garbage Pail Kids Movie only cost 1 million to make and barely made that amount back.
It’s funny that Jean mentions that over the top could be like rocky 55… In the 2006 Rocky Balboa Stallone gives a very similar speech to his son in that movie, as he gives to his young son in Over The Top
Ishtar is good for like the first half hour when it's just about two talentless songwriters finding each other. That was a good enough premise on its own. The whole "adventure" thing just wrecked something that was going pretty well as a light comedy.
Makes you wonder how many great scripts (which we'll never know about) and inspired filmmakers were shooed away by the Hollywood screwheads...just so that they could keep the big movie conveyor belt going.
I don't know what to say, but what I would like to say about watching these movies and seeing which I like the most. For starters, "Beverly Hills Cop 2", "The Secret of My Success", "Like Father Like Son" were doing quite well while "Over the Top", "Burglar", "Critical Condition" were stunning cult favorites and even "Ishtar", "Leonard Part 6" as well as others were not doing better to say the least. Hope you got it, everybody!
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1987: a time when Leonard Part 6 was the worst thing Bill Cosby had ever done.
I always knew something was wrong with that pig. Leonard part 6 was when I realized it!!
I still think Ghost Dad was his greatest crime...
@@rosselliswilkinson leonard part 6 raped my mind..lol
You beat me to it. Mine: "Leonard Part 6 didn't test well among female audiences. They said it was a real snoozer." Bu dump bump tsss.
Still waiting for The Nostalgia Critic, or The Cinema Snob to review this movie.
"Bill Cosby seems like he's in slow-motion throughout the movie".
Must've got the drinks switched.
Outrageously funny comment.
If they thought Hollywood had run out of ideas 32 years ago I can't imagine what they would have thought of movies now.
Shutdown Hollywood...the 1980s were the last great decade of movie making.
No doubt.
They would have killed themselves during Transformers 5.
hollywood ran out of ideas in the first few years. there will always be shitty movies that aren't creative and there will always be great and innovative movies.
Degree7 ok dummy
Cosby did Leonard Part 6 because it was sure to put audiences to sleep.
Dare to be tasteless!
So he could then rape them?
@@sha11235 there ya go!
Hahahahahahahaha
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I still miss watching this show so much.
It must suck when you're so low IQ you can't come up with your own opinions. You have to listen to these two long dead old men.
I'm sure somebody could recreate it with AI voices and thoughtful writing
Funniest line is when Ebert says "drumroll please, but imaginary drums because this movie isn't good enough for real drums"
Ebert should've pulled up his shirt and slapped his belly.
@@titusmccarthy Oh man lol. That sounds like a jab from Gene.
😅😅 I miss Roger. He could be savage. I suspect S and E were always competing for the quotable line.
Yes!! Lmbo
winter of 88 my school was on lockdown due to a blizzard so back then we would go in the gym and the whole school would watch a movie... the one we got was Leonard 6... we didnt even come close to finishing it, my principal turned it off just after the killer trout scene and called it the biggest piece of crap he ever saw and put on back to the future instead.
Guess the dumbass principal didn't think, "Hey, Back to the Future is a great film. I'll bet most of the students in my school have seen it, but still it's worth watching again." I'm talking about him putting on that classic first.
Saw this when it originally aired and it's as great as I remembered. Gene Siskel's line at 6:09 cracked me up then and cracks me up now: "Oh yes, the old groin joke. Boy I'm tired of that." Miss both of these guys.
the beauty of S & E is that they came from newspapers so their ideas for TV were original and different
We tried to sit through "Leonard Part 6" on video back in the '80s...10 minutes in - [EJECT]
I had a similar experience with Ishtar. I heard it was underrated, but I didn't see it.
10 minutes? You're a hero!
Eject in to the trash can.
No doubt.
@@zipgow
I never saw Ishtar. I feel good about that now.
Leonard Parts 1-5 being classified raises all sorts of questions.
LOL! The Secret Of My Success is one of my favorites!!
I miss them so much. 😪😪😪
yea I wish there was a review show like this, but I think we can't find 2 reviewers that R that good.
The closest I've come is Filmspotting on NPR. They get a little to into themsleves, but they will actually have an argument about films sometimes rather than just agreeing.
@@yaywhewclips242 Thing is you need people who can work together and really care about the movies they review. They didn't cry wolf about them and what they talked about was wrong with the industry, like the ratings system.
I don't. They insulted Over the Top. Cunts.
@@ryananon779 OVER THE TOP was a cornball embarrassment... you're calling critics of the movie "cunts" shows the maturity level of its fans.
I demand these two guys be brought back to life and explain why "Who's That Girl" is not on the list.
I think they didn't see it.
@@sha11235
I recall ebert writing a review of it
@@littlekingtrashmouth9219 That doesn't mean they saw it on their show.
@@sha11235 true.
I don't think even Madonna considers that one of her good movies.
I love how savage these guys are: "movies are stupid, but do they have to be THIS stupid?"
Savage or honest?
That's what's entertaining about them. They had to waste their time seeing all this garbage and they wonder why did they have to in the first place? Why were these films given green lights? At least now they no longer watch garbage films in heaven.
@@CoIoneIPanic Well, we'll preferred honest for others.
You'll have to admit that these are bad movies!
I’ll take it from there, that’s all.
"a fragile thing like humor was just beaten out of the script"
what a savage
I think Gene may have had a couple of stiff drinks to prepare for this episode. He's genuinely angry about these godawful movies, needs to get it off his chest, and I love it. You can disagree with either or both of them about this or that particular film, but Siskel and Ebert were always sincere and they were always on our side. Miss them both.
Have you ever seen when Gene goes off on Roger for giving thumbs up to the dreadful flick Cop and 1/2? The movie began and ended Henry Winkler's career as a film director, it was that bad. It's epic and it's awesome.
@@robertslydell6990 I think I did! Another part of their greatness was their willingness to go after each other when they disagreed.
Thanks for the observation, after reading this comment I watched the rest on .75 speed and it was even more entertaining, especially the two wallets bit!
I remembered liking "Secret of My Success;" it didn't aim very high, but it hit the mark and was an hour and a half of good dumb fun.
Its not. Fox's aunt wants to fuck him. Yeesh.
I liked it as well.
It's a guilty pleasure of mine. Not a great one but a fun mindless watch
It used to be on TV all of the time. I liked it when I was a kid.
Towards the end of At the Movies they had the categories: See It, Skip It, Rent It. That's one I'd give a "Rent It" to . . .
Exactly. I'm not going to tell you that it's up there with Lawrence of Arabia but it wasn't bad.
I miss these guys. I used to watch their show every Sunday.👍
this is the reason TH-cam was invented. Thanks for posting!
Nah Janet Jackson’s boob the reason TH-cam was invented
FUN FACT: The actress who played Michael J. Fox's secretary later was the voice of Mrs. Wolowitz in the Big Bang Theory. Carol Ann Susi.
Thought it sounded familiar
I can only imagine what they would've said about The Emoji Movie.....
George Ehret basically what Ebert said about North, x100
Or Sausage Party
joel kendrick Sausage Party was good though, The Emoji Movie was not.
futuremovieactor don’t kid yourself, both equally mediocre.
Or The Room!
lol hold my beer
I would have bet my paycheck that Jaws: The Revenge would have been in there.
@Chris Foster nah that film was just alright despite the cheap special effects and editing
JAWS the Revenge is the mother of the roaring shark, The Asylum patterned their movies after that one.
They did review Jaws Revenge on a different show. That laughed their butts off at it. Ripped it up pretty good.
Wasn't their review on the regular show funny enough? Some movies didn't deserve revisiting.
@@missioncodez I'll have to watch it again, I must have missed that part?
I thought they did give Judge Reinhold’s character a life. He had all these plants and fish and guns in his apartment. It was neat.
His back story is Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Beverly Hills Cop II & The Secret of My Success were both great, fun films
the opening music of the tv shows like this in the 80s was so optimistic...
The Secret of My Success, represents the ethos of the 1980's.
Nope. It's a shitbag, boring film.
@@CaptainSpalding72 I dont think George B was saying Secret Success was a good flick..He was saying it represents the 80's in a nut shell with money being secret of success
@@cheddarcheese7928 thats prolly accurate. Despite the flick stinking.
Like Wallstreet, only not as good
Ethos ???
It was also a year of some great action movies: Lethal Weapon, Predator, Robocop, The Running Man, The Living Daylights, The Untouchables.
Thanks for giving props to the living daylights
did you really say "Running Man?!"
@@stevemccart9109 running man was AWESOME!!!!!!
@@fotinid6638 did you go with mommy or the baby sitter?
Robin Stiff Love those movies too except Lost Boys.
Secret of my success is an 80's guilty pleasure for me. When it's on, I'll still watch it :)
Stallone’s talk with the kid was an early, and much less inspiring version of his GREAT (sunshine and rainbows) speech in Rocky Balboa...
And even Travolta's director tells him the same thing in "Stayin' Alive". Sly may not be in the movie, but even only in the director's chair, he has to have that scene where the lead character is down on himself and needs a pep talk from someone that explains to them that in life, if you want it, you gotta take it yourself.
I liked Beverly Hills Cop II, and it's a hell of a lot better than the third one.
BHC 2 was very fast freewheeling and funny!
@@connarcowanakacliffordoneo9095 No, it wasn't. It was screamingly loud, obnoxious, and very, painfully, agonizingly not funny.
@@bobthebear1246 I disagree. Good action. Funny lines. And has a good story. Great cast too!
S P not to me. I prefer part iii. It wasn’t boring. It was the first I saw but it’s not my favorite. The original is. There is a reason why they put II on their worst of list
The funny part is Judge Reinhold being a Rambo wannabe. "We gotta talk..."
Over the Top is one of the best movies ever made. Everyone was arm wrestling in school when it came out back in the day. Just gotta turn that hat around!
ever made...No!!!! stay off the crack before you post.....
Lol. That movie has a special place in my heart. I guess because i saw it when i was a child. At its core, it's about a father-son relationship and i guess it affected me a lot as a kid with a troubled relationship with my dad.
I liked the movie but the kid was a horrible actor.
Doing his best Demi Moore impression. Not what the script asked for
Over The Top is nowhere near one of the best movies ever. It's cheesy and predictable. Plus it's about arm wrestling, like come on! It's one thing to enjoy it, but one of the best movies ever made? In no universe is that even close to being true.
About half of youtube owe there careers to these two men.
Roger Ebert: "Eddie Murphy's talented is wasted on these awful scripts."
Gene Siskel: "In this next one, a man and his son trade brains, so clever. Next thing you know they're gonna make a film about two guys who trade wallets."
Roger Ebert: "That's not a bad idea."
Eddie Murphy: "Mother****er, ain't you ever seen Trading Places?!"
They didn't trade wallets.
Also, that was due to those asshole Duke brothers making a one dollar bet. It wasn't what Gene was talking about. However, a few years later there was a film called Taking Care of Business that used that idea, but they didn't see it.
@@sha11235 not literally you muppet....
@@standarsh8056 I am NOT a Muppet.
@Kelly Lumac Well, it wasn't reviewed on the show though.
10:30 Siskel: "Oh, they're so clever in Hollywood, next thing you know they're gonna make a movie about two guys who trade wallets and decide to change identities." Gene practically gave Hollywood Pictures the idea for Taking Care of Business, the Charles Grodin and Jim Belushi comedy.
Which they didn't review on the show, but reviewed separately and both liked.
Ugh... Ishtar. My Dad, who ignored reviews, draggedme to see Ishtar. We left like halfway through the film. We led a mass exodus out of the theatre, all of us wanting our money back. And we got it back. Terrible film. Every so often I meet people who *like* Ishtar and I wonder who hurt them so deeply?
Anyone who claims to like Ishtar is *probably* a tiresome, contrarian, "everyone dislikes it, so I'm gonna like it 😏" type
10:29 _Taking Care of Business_ (1990) James Belushi ends up with Charles Grodin’s wallet and has to fill in for him
also isn't trading places essentially this premise?
@@CaiominTwin Yeah, but Taking Care of Business came out after Siskel said this and his idea is closer in story to that one.
I think about what it takes to get a film made and I'm amazed... someone wrote a script about arm wrestling, it got pitched to somebody who said yes, then he ran it up the flagpole and more people said yes, a budget was committed to it and on it goes...no adult supervisor ever stepped up and said "hey, guys....we're talking about a movie about ARM WRESTLING! WTF is wrong with you people!?"
BECAUSE...THE WINNER TAKES IT ALL...THE LOSER HAS TO FALL! 😆
And Kubrick could't get his Napoleon made, just one of thousands of examples. Stupid people.
What helped Stallone get that film made was it was a Cannon release and the guy who ran it (Menahem Golan) was a guy who would green light so much stuff at once because he had no control over himself. Also, he directed Over the Top.
What gets made in Hollywood depends much more on how famous you are and who you know than the quality of the script material or film idea.
_Stop or My Mom Will Shoot_
They may not have forgotten Ishtar, but they've certainly forgotten Jaws: The Revenge. Actually, maybe that's a good thing.
I think Ishtar is funny, to be honest, I love that show. Part of it is that I played low dollar gigs, many times!!.
It wasn't worth it to discuss. Here are some others they could've put on their worst list: Summer School, Three o"Clock High, Superman 4, Garbage Pail Kids movie, The Lost City of Gold, Disorderlies.
The topic is box office bombs with big stars. Jaws the Revenge doesn't have big stars (aside from Michael Caine in a supporting role)
@@petevaldezbc1 Sir Michael Caine
made a healthy comeback after a series of
unsuccessful flops. Hits like Dirty Rotten
Scoundrels, The Muppets Christmas Carol,
Little Voice, The Cider House Rules (AA, 2000), Miss Congeniality, The Quiet American (AAN, 2003), Austin Powers 3,
Batman Begins, Bewitched, Children of Men
among others.
Ishtar was so infamous I heard it referenced in the PC game “Hoyle Casino” in a negative way.
Leonard part 6 taught me that rabbits and trout attack people randomly. It also taught me that hot dogs make heads explode. All because of shampoo.
This movie is the most bafflingly bad movie I've ever seen in my life. If I was born in 1987 and saw it in theaters, I would have walked out. I caught it on streaming and cut it off midway. Finished it weeks later and I was surprised that it actually got worse. It's personally the worst movie I've ever seen.
Sounds every bit as incomprehensible as “Ghost Dad,” whose rules about ghosts are totally inconsistent, seeming to just change on a whim.
It's knowledge like this that will hold you in good stead throughout life 🌭
Can't really blame Whoopi, even with the success of The Color Purple it would have been hard for her to get the good top tier roles like Meryl Streep and Kathleen Turner.
Well, at least do something that is original and not retreaded garbage or a film deal. Whoopi did that for several years until Ghost.
@@sha11235 The only movies she could have done would have been small, independent films. not much money but at least self respect
Miss these 2 guys.
In this comment section: People thinking they're the first to make a Cosby joke.
You put the pills 💊 in the pudding. You put the pudding in the people. You put the p£nis in the people.
I miss watching their shows siskel and ebert are great tv hosts rip gents ❤️🌹🥀🌷
Jaws the Revenge and Superman IV: The Quest For Peace should have been in their list.
They didn't review the Superman film. As for Jaws the Revenge, they said at the beginning that some of the films they could've mentioned weren't worth a second look. I guess this was one of them.
Are there any big stars in those movies? Because that was their premise.
@@str.77 Jaws the Revenge had Michael Caine, and they utterly (and hilariously) trashed the film when it came out. Ebert gave it zero stars, so it was obviously in the realm of films he might have included among his worst of '87. They just for whatever reason decided not to include it on this list.
@@Kylopod Okay. Thanks for the info. Jaws was never my scene, I'm afraid. Nor was Superman.
@@str.77 Just for the record, I've never seen Jaws: The Revenge. I have seen Superman IV--as a kid, and even at that uncritical age I had some awareness of how awful it was. (I am, though, a fan of the first Jaws and the first two Superman films.)
#10 Tough Guys Don't Dance
#9 Over The Top
#8 Ninja Commandments
#7 Howling III
#6 Leonard Part 6
#5 Silent Night, Deadly Night Part 2
#4 Superman IV: The Quest For Peace
#3 Teen Wolf 2
#2 The Garbage Pail Kids Movie
#1 Jaws: The Revenge
Now that's a good worst list, thank you
I hated the final jaws sequel.
Howling III is so bad it's actually entertaining.
Didn’t #5 have that “GARBAGE DAY” scene? Phelous mentioned that in one old video or two.
I can't believe Stallone made a film about arm wrestling, it literally sounds like a joke. 😂
I saw it on a plane and several people walked out
@@fenian123😂😂😂
And directed by half the brains of Cannon Pictures too, lol.
TH-cam with a rare W! They left these legendary episodes up for all of us to enjoy. But what happens when your man wants to watch some Jake and the Fatman on here? "STOP! THIEF!"
OMG! Like Father, Like Son! Haha! I haven't seen that movie in 20 years! It used to be one of my childhood favorites. I NEED to go and buy a copy of that one. As well as 'No Holds Barred' and 'Over The Top'!
Note to self:
Never, ever, under ANY circumstances, use a cement truck in a chase scene.
Why do these movies seem more intriguing than anything made today?
Because everyone is downloading or streaming and losing braincells
Years ago I tried to watch Ishtar when there was something or a minor critical re-evaluation going on. I tried, I really tried, but I don't think I even made it to the half hour mark. It was painful.
Sometimes, the rest of the herd is right! :-)
@@michaeldownstairs Indeed. Taking the counter-culture opinion for the sake of it doesn't always work out.
I didn’t think it was as bad as people said back then, but it wasn’t any masterpiece either. It really should just be a forgotten comedy that wasn’t as funny as it thought it was.
Pryor was suffering from MS, and it was really fucking him up by then. You can see it in his eyes from this movie through Harlem Nights. But a great film he did was Moving, it's insane.
In the Pryor documentary from a few years ago, he's shown openly crapping on Moving on (I think) the Tonight Show.
In addition, Mel Brooks' company Brooksfilms who produced lavish comedies that make
audiences laugh, cry and think. And the result was "Moving" with Richard Pryor. Released
by Warner Bros. in 1988.
Stallone's speech to his bratty kid was actually wise and worthwhile.
i agree
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Stallone was the highest-paid actor in the world. Shut the fuck up.
tommytimp I'd care more about a great screenplay than a great paycheck.
John Breidenthal Come on, it's the sort of stuff you would find on a daytime soap opera.
It's as wise as a bumper sticker. There's a reason why the Bible is a book, and the people who quote from it really don't understand what it's saying....
the secret of my success is a great movie.
Love the typing in the ending credits.
I do, too!
Man, I would just LOVE to see these guys reviewing movies from today. Wow. I can only imagine what they would say about the trash like these reboots and these pathetic superhero movies being made today. Some of the worst movies ever made, period.
Nowadays they'd need a whole week just to review all the bad movies.
Secret Of My Success is a decent movie. One of the many good movies that I saw in a theater in 1987!
I whistle the theme to this all the time while getting ready in the morning 😂
10:30 Gene predicts "Taking Care of Business"/"Filofax" 3 years ahead of time.
Those of us who were 7 or 8 in 1987 love Over the Top!!!!
Totally, I was 7. It’s still in my top 10. I can watch it once a week. And secret of my success is a classic. Territno even put it on his top 5 movies of 1987
WHAT?!?! beverely hills cop2 is excellent!!!! eddie's in top form, ashton & reinhold are great, chief lutz played by allen garfield, brigitte neilson is actually decent, dean stockwell, jurgen prochnow, gil hill, pre-fame paul reiser as jeffrey... all great! but, gilbert gottfried as sidney bernstein is priceless!! oh shit, & the late robert pastorelli as the credit card crook. maaan, sometimes these two really fucked it up.
The best indie films from that year were Matewan, Barfly, and Prick up Your Ears. Between '85 and '89, we fell in love with the indie genre. Baghdad Cafe, Sid and Nancy, Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown, The Bad Lieutenant, Betty Blue, Eddie Murphy's Raw, and My Beautiful are among some of my favorites.
10:30 And three years later Jim Belushi makes Taking Care Of Business
Which *was* a good movie!! 😊
That was a good movie
Which they didn't even review on the show!!!! Guess it wasn't screened for them.
Someone in Hollywood was watching Siskel.
Their _Leonard Part 6_ review is seriously one of the funniest dishings I've ever seen. The only thing that matches it is Mark Twain's _The Literary Offences of James Fenimore Cooper_.
+gspendlove dissings Unless you mean plates, saucers, cups.
@@suzycreamcheesez4371 Well they might have thrown dishes at the screen lol.
@@indy_go_blue6048 uh huh As Metallica says nothing else matters! aloha nui loa We're done!
Twaine's criticism of Cooper is hilarious.
@@indy_go_blue6048Or tins pulled with pies?
I wish Siskel & Ebert will still around to review the Fast and Furious movies.
Ebert reviewed at least the first five. He gave them all positive reviews.
@@connorbrennan4233 Ebert's reviews made no sense.
Completely disagree with "Secret of My Success" on this list, although that was a very funny line by Roger. I agree with the rest of their choices. Beverly Hills Cop 2 and 3 were truly awful (although they didn't like the first one either), showing that almost all comedy sequels stink. Never saw "Over the Top", and given the scenes I've seen, and the subject matter, I don't think I'm missing anything. "Burglar" was terrible, and it was during a bad run of flops for Whoopi, ending with "Sister Act" and "Ghost". "Leonard, Part 6" and "Ghost Dad"? Ummm, you make your own opinions about Cosby's career and his off-the-screen problems. And "Ishtar" was voted worst movie by just about all critics.
"Over the Top" is now on IMDB Freedive. I STILL won't watch it, not even out of curiosity.
Over the Top is actually a really fun movie, guys.
Murphy called Cop 3, Die Hard in Disneyland. Lol
The first Beverly Hills Cop wasn't that good of a movie but Eddie was in top form.
@@ricardocantoral7672 BH Cop 2 was good , not as good as the first but still good on its own imo
Secret of My Success - low budget film that still has charm today....
Producer-director Herbert Ross and producers Ray Stark, Martin Jurow, executive producers
Joseph M. Caracciolo, Mary Kay Powell and associate producer Norman Gay whose notable
contributions to help make Focus' The Secret of My Success - 1987's low budget film that
still has charm today.
Apparently even Bill Cosby disowned Leonard Part Six.
It’s still the thing he’s most ashamed of doing.
@@MrMllx its to he point leonard part 6 has dispwned him
@@MrMllx Same thing happens to "Ghost Dad," three years later in 1990.
He did, but it was too little, too late.
The Secret of My Success was great. Over the Top had a classic '80's soundtrack featuring Kenny Loggins and Sammy Hagar.
Great? Haha, whatever, man.
Mr Furly ,hahaha ,I love it .
Both non stop soundtracks were truly unstoppable. Both were from
Mercury Records (PolyGram) and
Columbia Records (Sony).
There won’t be a Leonard Part 7 lol
Anyone remember if they reviewed "Flowers in the Attic" that year? I found no print reviews from them either. That usually meant they couldn't find time to review it (which was unlikely due to the film's high profile at the time), or they saw it but hated it so much that they walked out of the theater mid-movie and didn't review it. The movie was widely panned at the time, so the latter was likely. S&E had a policy with the studios that if they walked out on a film, they weren't allowed to review it or talk about it -- sort of like a NDA.
I forgot about that film. It nearly ended Victoria Tennant's career (which honestly was only revived due to her soon-to-be romance with and marriage to Steve Martin, who put her in all of his films in the late-80's - early-90's). It did end Louise Fletcher's film career, and nearly her entire acting career until "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" saved it soon afterwards.
It could be that they didn't see it because it wasn't screened for them.
I think it was 1988. Great movie with a surprise ending!
I thought "Flowers in the Attic" was just a TV movie not something that got a theatrical run. I liked the movie and its grim dark tone. I have heard the book was even better. If it was just made for TV S&E would not have reviewed it.
Mine and my cuzzos favorite movie back then. We had shitty families.
10:30 Gene Siskel unknowingly writes the plot of the 1990 Jim Belushi comedy “Taking Care Of Business.”
And I bet they didn’t even give him a screenwriting credit.
(Note: they didn’t. It’s freakin’ J.J. Abrams. The guy who wrote Regarding Henry.)
Siskel did that a lot, actually, dreamed up joking alternate plots for movies he hated. Hell, half the time his ideas WERE more interesting than the original premise.
I love some of those movies for nostalgic reasons. I was born in 1989 and I know Over the Top since the early 90s, so this one means a lot too me. But even something like Beverly Hills Cop 2 and the Secret of my Success, which I first saw in 2013 and 2017 respectively.
I wouldn't think of calling any of the top ten most grossing movies of 1987 "bombs" or one of the "worst films of the year." Today they advertise to get people into the theater opening weekend. Or a money-making movie might be saved by the overseas market that want to see babes, cars and/or robots. People who saw _Beverly Hills Cop 2_ and _The Secret of My Success_ had a chance to read reviews and hear word-of-mouth to walk away, but they chose not to.
No Jaws The REVENGE?
They joked over this and hated It!! What's with these two?
Maybe they felt it wasn't worth looking at again. They already did dump on a sequel anyway.
S&E did say that the theme of the show was big stars who bomed big time, in their eyes, in 1987. They must have felt that Jaws The Revenge was already destined to be a bad movie, already flopped big with audiences and critics, and Michael Caine, talented actor he is, was not the big box office name that Michael J. Fox or Whoopi Goldberg were at the time.
@SWill0281 They say it at the top of the show in the review. Helen Brodly was a "trivia question". by that time. Michael Caine's career hadn't reached the pinnacle its at now.
@@orbison It had Shinji Ikaris voice actor who played Mike Brody
@@orbison Caine actually gave up the opportunity to accept his Oscar for Hannah and Her Sisters because he was filming Jaws 4. I guess he felt that if he had left the set, he couldn't bring himself to come back. So winning an Oscar doesn't make you a big box office name?
Saw Secret of My Success in the theatre opening weekend. Audience loved it! Only years-decades later do I discover how wrong I was for enjoying this “gem.” Oh, ignorance is truly bliss!
Wouldn't call it a gem, but it really wasn't THAT bad.
I love over the top
Good for you. That's called 'having an opinion'. But it was not a good movie. We ONLY remember it for Stalone's involvement.
Not having Siskel & Ebert, or any worthy successor since Ebert & Roper (despite many attempts), has been a severe cultural disadvantage in America for the last couple of decades.
What. People are just dumber these days
Agreed, there really is nobody in the culture anymore with a strong intelligent voice e reviewing movies. There’s the still good writers but they don’t have a big audience, and there are a million podcasts and TH-cam channels that just don’t have the critical or artistic eye to do it well.
@@HkFinn83 BTW, the worst example of this cultural deficit that I personally saw was on Roger's own attempt to provide a successor to S&E (after Gene died, "Ebert & Roper" had run its course, and Roger lost his voice to surgery), when his two young proteges contradicted the absolute lowest review to ever appear on any of the S&E programs: "I Spit on Your Grave." Roger and Gene could not have condemned that "film" for its misogynistic violence any more deeply, both agreeing that it was the worst release of that year. But the two MTV-era reviewers, probably having been desensitized by additional decades of mindlessly portrayed cruelty, felt that it had merit. (They do deserve credit for personal integrity for daring to contradict their boss, even if their conclusion was patently wrong.)
The late 80s...where the inundation of formulaic trash truly flourished.
And for some reason, people still embrace it. They don't care about the quality. If the film is entertaining in a primitive fashion, that's good enough for them. I strive for movies to be more than that.
'87- Like Father, Like Son. '88-18 Again! and Vice Versa. '89 Dream A Little Dream
A lot of these movies were my favorites of that year.
Over the top is stupid but i still love it.
over the top was amazing!
Haha I liked, "Over the Top." 💪🤣
this may be a dumb question but how did "The Garbage Pail Kids Movie" not make this list?
or maybe they just decided not to see it. smarter than most people who saw it lol.
im a little scared to ask what she thought of it lol
They said in the beginning that they were going after the big movies and blockbusters of that year. To quote Roger Ebert @1:12 "Not so much the little bad films, but the big blockbuster bombs."
The Garbage Pail Kids Movie only cost 1 million to make and barely made that amount back.
I don't think it was screened for critics.
Yeah, they might not have seen it.
Ha. If they think Beverly Hills Cop II is bad, wait till they see the third one.
They did.
Or probably the 4th one
I find the best movies are when custody battles are fought thru arm wrestling
Pfft if you know a better way we’d all like to hear it
@@MrMllx Watch David Cronenberg's The Brood. Much better film about custody battles. Hard to watch at times, but excellent.
Graduated high school in 87 - don't think I heard of/remember any of these beside Beverley Hills Cop 2 and Ishtar
Saw most of these in the theatre. I guess a nine year old is easily entertained
God I miss this show.
A guy drinks a quart of motor oil during a competition. Wonder what that did for him. Like this movie, ridiculous.
It gave the movie an excuse to insert an Alka-Seltzer plug.
It’s funny that Jean mentions that over the top could be like rocky 55… In the 2006 Rocky Balboa Stallone gives a very similar speech to his son in that movie, as he gives to his young son in Over The Top
These guys were great.
Ishtar is good for like the first half hour when it's just about two talentless songwriters finding each other. That was a good enough premise on its own. The whole "adventure" thing just wrecked something that was going pretty well as a light comedy.
Makes you wonder how many great scripts (which we'll never know about) and inspired filmmakers were shooed away by the Hollywood screwheads...just so that they could keep the big movie conveyor belt going.
You could say that about the actresses turned off by the likes of Harvey Weinstein.
I don't know what to say, but what I would like to say about watching these movies and seeing which I like the most. For starters, "Beverly Hills Cop 2", "The Secret of My Success", "Like Father Like Son" were doing quite well while "Over the Top", "Burglar", "Critical Condition" were stunning cult favorites and even "Ishtar", "Leonard Part 6" as well as others were not doing better to say the least. Hope you got it, everybody!
I love over the top!
It was good to see once or twice.
44 million a massive budget in 1987 for Ishtar (which I still have not seen!) They make crappy movies all the time now for that amount or more!!
The cement truck scene frigging worked.
beverly hills cop was garbage.
Beverly Hills Cop II had some slick action scenes.
Actually, I kind of liked "Ishtar".
disney fan81 they need to put it on NetFlix