UPDATED TIERLIST OF ALL WEAPONS ON BOT TIER 9 MISSIONS | Helldivers 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- On stream I went through all the weapons including the new polar warbond weapons! I wanted to keep this updated with all the changes we have seen over the last couple weeks!
Let me know in the comments what you think! Or come by the stream and have a discussion with me about it. This is my opinion and according to how I play.
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Nice list, but personally I feel the Counter Dilligence deserves to be S tier now. It drops all the smaller units 95% of the time, you can take them all out from afar and they are barely able to react. You can use it 3rd person up close if you have to and its still solid. You can 1 tap medium units in the face, and even missing and hitting their chests etc does nice damage and blows rocket pods/arms off etc.
that weapon takes more skill than a lot of the other weapons, so no, not S tier.
Scorcher will always be good because we had to spend 1200 medals just to get to it on the war bond.
Maybe for you but not for everyone this video is for the player who struggle to pick à weapon and want the advise of an exeperienced player, the scorcher is egual to all the other weapon because its not flawless like it doesnt do good in close combat and have poor ammo capacity, it maybe the most expensive weapon when it comes to medal but it is not a weapon that can do all the things, of course if you like it good for you have fun with it but you cant just tell people its good because it cost à lot of medal (edit: I respect your point and I just want to explain mine)
@@xenobattlestar7327i think you missed the joke
@@xenobattlestar7327 I mean it is not wrong to say it is a good weapon in general. Because it is.
Im a diehard Automaton fan, fiend helldive difficulty all the time. The diligence CS is now ranked right next to the dominator for me. Being able to absolutely smoke devastator heads one after the other behind some good cover from distance is simply god tier. On PC i can click heads like no tomorrow, and its slowly taking the dominators place for everything besides eradicate or defense missions where i cant take the time to land a headshot and need to spray everywhere. Diligence CS is the perfect auto canon sidearm
The purifier is not a a-, it’s not got enough damage to hit the break point to kill in less shots than the scorcher, which fires 2.5x faster.
I will say that its not as bad as I thought initially, versus bots anyway, but you are right in saying that for this weapon to compete, having to hold down the button for 1.something seconds while your team mate spammed the scorcher or breakers its just not worth it, it feels veeery lack luster and you cannot shoot it faster in any way like you can with the Arc Thrower support strategem
I mostly agree but would put the plas punisher higher. It has great damage and can stagger multiple devestators at the same time. Combined with a long range support weapon its stronger than the scorcher in my opinion.
i like to become a mortar with the punisher
Agreed , it's perfect to pair with the amr
Having the diligence CS and the Plasma Punisher in A tier is treason! Punisher plasma has the stagger of the JAR-5 with explosive damage in a decently wide area. You can stun lock entire patrols with this weapon and as long as there's no elite enemies in the patrol, you can kill the whole thing with a mag or two. It also two taps striders to their faceplate. The JAR-5 or scorcher is not going to be able to accomplish these same feats.
The diligence CS can kill scout striders if you shoot them in the leg joints, but being able to one tap devastators with a long range (and quiet) weapon is a super valuable tool. Run it with a shield pack and you're able to go toe to toe with heavy devastators. It's also pretty easy to take out groups of static enemies before they even realize where you are. Plus, with medium pen it's able to easily tear through weakpoints of stronger bots like towers or tanks.
That said, I liked the discussion and I know everyone will have their own opinions on which guns are best, but I do think you are undervaluing these two weapons slightly. If the JAR-5 and Scorcher are S tier, then the Diligence CS and the Plasma punisher should be up there as well.
I don't think you know how A-Tier works
@@Zane12ai I was being a little dramatic for fun, but really those two weapons are at least as strong and versatile as the scorcher and Dominator. No reason they should not be S tier in a bot tier list.
Diligence grew on me since the first buff and ever since I barely switch weapons. I only switched to the Eruptor because it was fun and has a ton of utility, but I love the diligence. It's responsive, fast, long and short ranged... My style. If the Eruptor was a bit quicker I might have preferred it.
Anyways I play as a sniper so I take AMR and either shield or jetpack, except I usually borrow a backpack from a friend to have more stratagems free.
Suggestion for you. Pls be sure to call out the name of weapons and the tier it goes to. In each of your past several tier videos, you didn't call some of the things out. So, not sure what you were referring to. For example, at 6:04, what is that gun? Not everybody bought all warbonds or have all 10 pages unlocked yet
He says "it's the dominator".
But agreed, also nice clarity if anyone is audio-only
I just don’t agree with the Eruptor placement. Sure, utility is fine for a support or secondary but you’re giving up your ability to deal with pretty much any amount of mobbing and that’s just not worth it at all imo. Anything it can do there are weapons that can do the same just as fast if not faster. One shot a devastator? Diligence CS. Wanna snipe a hulk? AMR. Wanna close holes from a distance? Grenade pistol AND grenade launcher-arc is skill issue. It just doesn’t have a place-you even said you wouldn’t run it. When it was a mini support as a primary it enabled us to run things like the stalwart or machine gun for mob clear and build diversity but now? Why run those or the eruptor at all? C-tier at best, my guy.
Love your tier list vids. Makes me break out stuff I usually ignore and enjoy (or stress out) more by changing the gameplay that i'm used to. Have been enjoying the plasma punisher against bots at close range though. The stagger is significant and if you pair it with stun grenades you can close in on heavy devastators while they can't shoot and then you can take them out even when hitting the shield.
I think the only two rankings I disagree with are the plasma punisher and the purifier. I think the plasma punisher is the 3rd S tier weapon. I almost always run the AMR, AC, or (occasionally) the LC against bots and I feel like the thing I’m missing the most with all of these on 9 is the ability to deal with like 5+ devestators at closish range. I think stagger and/or low ttk are essential for this, the plasma punisher has the same amount of stagger as the dominator, insane aoe, and a really high fire rate. If you turn the corner into a devastator patrol you can often stand still and spam them all to death in a magazine. Since it has basically no recoil and huge aoe I don’t think it’s effective range is any detriment either.
The purifier might have a similar AOE but it’s rate of fire is like 20% what the plasma punisher's. The stagger feels a lot less useful to me because I have trouble keeping things stunlocked. In the vast majority of scenarios I personally would swap from the AC to spam aoe with the plasma punisher or start clicking heads with the dominator it felt like my only options with the purifier were run away or die. If I’m trying to kill things at the ranges where the purifier is better I’d kill the same enemies in half the time or less with the AC or AMR. I’d personally put it in C+ or B- tier, it’s low fire rate paired with only decent damage makes it feel pretty bad in most of the cases I’d want to be using my primary.
Breaker Spray and Pray would be cool as a one handed, kinda sawed off variant of the breaker, and would gain a niche without a big stat change
aint no way you think fire breaker is better than regular breaker against bots 🤣
It’s surprisingly good fr😂
Try it. It's pretty damn good for bots
Fr, other than that the fire does nothing to like half of the bots the spread is so bad u need to be up in their face and if u ever played against the bots u know that's not a place u want to be in
@@biggreen8025 AMR is my go to usually for long distance shots. The shotgun is clutch when there’s like 7-8 berserkers right up on you. And it does well at medium distance for most bots.
@@titanjake9058 the breaker is even more clutch since it wont go everywhere like the fire breaker, and has like 100 more dmg per shot. you could even use it at "medium" range and have most pellets hit while fire breaker would be lucky to hit even a third of its pellets beyond hugging range
Staggering is very important against those bots.
Especially for those heavy and rocket devastaters man. Stop em in there tracks
One suggestion: I’d like to see you work off your previous tier list, like from the bottom to the top. It’d be a little more complicated because you’d have to do something like work off a screenshot of the previous version as you moved things around or have two copies of things (place the new one then delete the old one), but I think it would give a much clearer view of how the sandbox has changed.
After 270 hours in mission (not logged but actual game play)and the vast majority of them against bots...close to 50K bot kills versus close to 30K bug kills....
The Plasma Punisher is my hands down pick for the best primary for bots. Far better than the Dominator because of its AoE.
Just about every game I have multiple times where I am getting 8 to 10 kills PER SHOT. Yeah there are only 8 before reload but when bots are grouped the PP is just devastating.
As to range you are thinking of the gun wrong. It has excellent range you just have think of it as a portable mortar. I can consistently snipe things 100 meters out with it you just have to practice with it.
I regularly play with NO support weapon on 7+ with it and just use orbitals, eagles and sentries . What other primaries can do that?
The PP is the tippy top of S tier once you learn how it works. If you haven't given the PP a chance you are missing out.
The thermite is my favorite bulk set it and forget it weapon
punisher plasma and purifier have a damage different in projectile damage, PP has 100 damage light pen and purifier have 100 damage med pen, thats only different, you need 7 dorminator shot with 300 damage to kill minigun on strider, that mean you need 21 shot on purifier to kill it, that why whole mag still not kill it
Tenderizer stops bots from calling reinforcements
This is a good tier list. One name Malevelon Creek.
Sights ARE misaligned on counter sniper! It shoots similar to amr, top left
Scythe, dagger, stun grenade, grenade luncher, ballistic shield, 500k and precision strike was my go to for bots on lvl 9, specifically for terrain missions, scythe kills quickly, and dagger destroy shield devastator with ballistic shield. Was great.
With the new weapons change for a new builds that feel so perfect for bots or bugs, that I don’t have to change.
Pummeler, grenade pistol, stun grenade, grenade luncher, supply box, 500k and precision strike
Really love it 🫶🏻
Scythe should be at the top of the B list. If your aim is good, it melts devastator heads extremely fast. Only reason it's not A tier in my eyes is because the scope holds it back.
I'd love it if they swapped the scopes on the Sickle and Scythe.
It would be a "nerf" for the Sickle; not really changing what it's good at and just limiting its power ceiling, and the magnification on the Scythe would allow it to function better as the precision weapon it is. It would probably compete very effectively with the Counter Sniper with the better scope.
incendiary breaker is so op its not even funny its killing patrols with 3 clicks from distance on bugs, generally i think all quasar meta is done because this weapon is so good at clearing small bugs that only thing u care about is chager/titan. This weapon need nerf, it outclass any weapon with normal penetration on bugs
If they nerf the JAR again Im done with the game. Straight up
Purifier can 3 shot a zerker, ok.
But it takes 5 seconds to do it. the other 6 have killed you.
I wish I found the game fun rn. I still really enjoy your videos though
People dont unserstand that the purifier is a good weapon, its just outclassed by what its competing with.
It does the exact same thing PP does, but objectively worse.
It's a bit slow to charge up for the damage it can do, it's only 50 damage more than the scorcher and medium penetration does not make up for it.
I'm not sure what a good fire rate would be, though I would like to see an "auto-fire" mode where it just automatically fires when charged rather than having to let go of the trigger.
Again, it's a good weapon. It just happens to also be an outclassed weapon.
@@Zane12ai in concept yes, but that's not really saying much.
It, along with the Liberator Concussive struggles to do anything at difficulty 7-9. I would say that it's not outclassed, it is flat out bad and directly hamstrings you.
Purifier blows goats lmao
That Sickle placement is overrated.
You know the guy responsible for balancing these weapons have absolute no clue whatsoever of what he is doing when he said shrapnel had negligible impact on damage dealt by the Eruptor, and the moment he removes the shrapnel while buffing the damage, the weapon lost a lot of its power. And everyone who played the damn game instead of looking at spreadsheets knew the shrapnel which murdered the enemies. They even made a stupid change that allowed the shrapnel to murder us, which caused all subsequent problems.
They fixed a bug that caused ricocheting bullets to not harm anyone including the shrapnel
You are complaining about them adding a feature from helldivers 1
You are complaining about them making the game more realistic
@@Danthepanman1 Bro, it is a game about mindless bugs infecting planets millions of light years across the galaxy cuz reasons. They sure like to make anything that kills the players more realistic and forgetting about what is fun
Feel sad for all the position of all the assault rifles, they should have more damage or stopping power than a SMG, most of them feels like pea shooters against bugs or bots, Arrowhead should stop nerfing everything and work in a different way with the balancing of the game.
scythe and dagger are both dookie tier. 4-5 small bots and the heat cell is cooked. I do more with my level 1 AR. Now, if it were GUARD DOG good...mmm, yes.
Scythe and Dagger are as good as the person's aim. And it also has unlimited ammo.
People are shitting on the purifier, but the fact that it can stagger everything below massive bots makes it an amazing support weapon. You don't have to be Rambo and kill everything in this game to contribute!
What's the point of staggering if you cannot get rid of them in a few shots? If " you dont have to kill everything..." Is the end of everything. There is no point to nerf any gun at all. Stfu AH boi🤡
@@4ek_1 Keep doing 6s, bud.
I think you're right, but the Plasma Punisher kinda already acts as the AOE stagger machine with fewer drawbacks compared to the Purifier.
@@aarongeorgeson2247 totally! The plasma punisher has a bigger skill curve than the purifier tho, so that's the counter balance I like to think of when comparing them. Purifier is babies plasma punisher lol
Putting the crossbow in anything but S tier is a crime
That shi booty
You playing a diffrent game there Cheif?
How do you use the bow? Do you use it primarily for the smaller guys? I wana like it but I feel like it’s in the shadow of others picks
Tenderizer. I've been trying it recently and the extra precision, very low recoil, and high ammo reserves makes it more valuable against bots than the Liberator. Only getting 2 mags off map supply boxes and only getting 5 from super supply boxes is problematic. Double the mags from map supply and maybe around 7 from super (doesn't need a full 10). I think that against bots, the tenderizer is perfectly fine. Against bugs it needs something (triple or quadruple durable damage please).
all Liberators should have 45 round magazines. penetrator should do 50 damage and the concussive needs its recoil reduced and fire massively buffed. breaker should get a 20 round magazine and the spray&pray should get its old magazine capacity of 32 back.
Grenade pistol is S tier for me. Most of the time I'll strategem Fabricators to hell, it's really only a back up weapon against fabricators when I'm jammed or on cooldown leaving most of its ammo available for other encounters.
It's the easiest way to deal with Striders on a lot of load outs fresh out of a drop - 1 shotting them with a hit to the top. It can deal with cannon towers and other vents in a pinch. It is just so strong on utility beyond fabricators and very powerful on raw kills.
It's a swiss army knife of a secondary weapon, hitting any situation you're not equipped to deal with else wise.