Finally, someone speaks up about this issue. Saturday am always gave a fake vibe to me. Trying to prove that they were not a normal corporate publisher they are a “Black Publisher”. Like there’s a difference in that still screwing storytellers and comic creators over, while trying to shake down consumers whatever penny they have. As a black comic artist too I don’t want anime representation I want black culture stories being told I.E. American cultural story’s being told so people can understand their neighborhood and who to fix it if there issues. I love the anime/manga art style so I’ll take it but I don’t know Japan or the east like that. I can feel what the people are going through. How can we demand representation from other countries when we can’t do it for ours? People in America don’t even know what red lining is sooo… All in all we want stories not corporations. Indies have more sway and last longer than corporate money because it comes from the heart.
Thank you so much for the shoutouts! I'm grateful to be part of this video, and happy to see pushback to Saturday AM. There's so much about this I love but first I'll say thank you for highlighting how frustrating their website is. I always shrugged it off as bad web design but no! You're right! It's not made for the average reader, so it doesn't matter if its confusing and difficult to navigate. Your comment about the push for diversity in manga was an interesting new perspective. This was very insightful: “imagine if people from Osaka started demanding that Kendrick Lamar started rapping about the experiences of the Japanese salaryman, even if he studied up on the subject, is he really the best person for that?” Apologies if this comes off as arrogant, but your aside about going to manga for the Japanese experience made me realize that I don’t do that. I first got really into anime by watching shoujo. I thought of it as “cartoons for girls” and I was being really cool and rebellious for seeking out Sailor Moon and Cardcaptors (I also thought of Tenchi Muyo as a “girl show” because of its female-majority cast, which, lol). As a kid, I was genuinely bothered that most cartoons didn’t have a lot of female characters or non-white characters. When I started watching subtitled anime, I saw that as getting the “real” stuff, the “authentic Japanese” product. That novelty wore off once it became the majority of my media diet. I still get that feeling of “I’m indulging in something foreign” when I consume something like a k-drama or Bollywood movies. My brain is so fried by otaku media now that I can’t relate to or enjoy most American media (Again, sorry if this comes off like I’m bragging about a media diet) If a manga has a a Black character, I am more eager to read it. Same with any manga that goes outside the norm in some way (like a shoujo series created by a man). When a mangaka deliberately does something very outsider, it signals to me, as someone who’s an outsider to manga (as in, white guy who didn’t grow up in Japan or speaking Japanese) that this artist is also approaching this art form in a way that’s different. And I want to seek out the outliers. Eventually I realized the heart of being an “otaku” is someone who’s nerdy and shunned by the mainstream. And the core of that identity innately appeals to me. So I've dialed back my fandom purity requirements, I no longer insist on my media having a certain level of diversity or being mold-breaking to deem it worthy of my time. I agree with your point at 22:41 - people will let their art speak for itself. Still, I think it’s nice when media is diverse, when it tries to be different, because as a consumer that’s what I want to see (I am the wrong person to collect this data but I’ve always been interested in why OEL manga seems to be mostly Black artists). But you make a great point with Clock Striker. They should’ve marketed this as a steampunk manga! Everyone can tell there’s a Black protagonist!! One of my favorite animes is Megalobox. When I try to pitch this show to people, I talk about the atmosphere and the incredible soundtrack. All of the in-universe diversity and Black protagonist add a lot to this story, but that’s never going to be my lead for why I think people should watch it. Sorry for long comment but this video unlocked something I wasn’t cognizant of. Thank you. Here’s hoping the Saturday AM gang finds this video next 🥂
First off, thank you so much for leaving this long insightful comment! Also nothing you said sounds arrogant in fact I heavily relate to the Japanese media doesn't feel foreign anymore, as a long time fan. Its interesting that you jumped into shoujo works. Brings me back to when my neighbors used to bring VHS tapes over of it from the library. I also checked out mega lo blox...definitely an interesting artstyle with alot of great fights! I didn't know that show existed so that was a fun rabbit hole. Hearing that some of my ideas sparked this kind of discussion is very inspiring to me. I've kinda been quietly observing the scene for years. Whenever I have thoughts I usually just go along drawing my comic and pushing the desire to connect with other creators into the background. Also nothing you said was arrogant! Very much love hearing people go into detail on their passions as a fellow chatterbox. Sorry for how long it took to leave proper response. The whole few days around making this video as well as finding more information on the topic right after was exhausting and I needed to step away from it for a bit. I myself grew up in a very diverse community which I love, and my artwork is a reflects that because thats naturally how I see the world. It's quite possible that I take diversity, both irl and in media for granted as I seldom think about it intentionally the way I needed to here. Thinking about race in the very boxed in way the Sat Am staff talk is very jarring for me and opened a whole can of worms tbh. Trying to compartmentalize all of the different ways different people see diversity and where I stand on it was a process for everything surrounding this topic and I did want to get this video out at an opportune time before I loss the steam to talk about it but ended up feeling high-strung as a result haha. I definitely agree that the best pro to diverse media is the creative infusion. I also hope more people expand their taste into diverse types and sources of media. Lastly, I love that you pointed out the heart of the otaku. The way your approach to being conscious but not fixating on purity fandom stuff is extremely freeing to watch and has helped me discover ways I can better express myself that has been so relieving. Keep doing you, I think it will inspire others to feel more free aswell!
really good video, people who seek representation in other cultures are very shallow also they always talk about the awards and reconigtion they get but never talk about their sells and artist who use to be with them have said in the past that they never know what their sales were
When I found one of their manga, I thought they were woke, trying to push their identity politics into manga. But I gave one of their books a shot, Titan King and Underground, and those books aren't bad. No Mary Sues and lecturing. Just characters being people. I think how they are marketing their products is their problem.
Per usual. Saturday AM will send their goons to defend against a valid opinion. Also appreciate the quick ONSOL-GO shoutout. Peace to everyone creating and pushing to get their stories out!
Opinions can’t come with rebuttals? 🤔 I don’t think someone should be labeled a “goon” or another inflammatory (dismissive) ad hominem simply for not agreeing with you. Everyone seems to be articulating their points fairly well in the comment section. Maybe you see something that I’m not? 🤔 If they are being rough around the edges, well, sometimes a spirited opinion will receive a spirited reply. 🤷♂️ Happy New Year, btw, from The Glove to The Chi. 🥳🙏
@@STUDIOLUNXCH I got you the first time bro 👍. But she encouraged people to share their opinions. If one is comfortable playing offense, they need to be capable of playing defense. Shout out to her. Wish y’all success on your journeys. I’m out, I guess. 😎✌️💯
SAT AM are books meant for libraries, and I mean that as more of a critique of their interest and impact. When you visit a library there are mangas that have been beat up, pages folded back, drink stains on them; there’s volume 1 and 2s of series that almost never make it back to the shelves. And then there’s Clock Striker or Apple Black: Pristine, near brand new copies, that never move when they’re stocked. They make libraries look good or progressive and fun to trot out on cultural holidays, but that’s about it, in my opinion.
Very insightful. I've actually have had my own experience with Saturday-AM and I will be making a video for it.I approached Frederick in the earlier days of Saturday AM and wanted my series Endlocke to be a part of the brand. At that time, he had Apple Black (Whytmanga), Bully Eater (Ray Brown), and his series Ghost. I wouldn't say I've ever been treated wrong personally, but I've heard tales over the years, I've seen their responses to any criticism they get, and the brand philosophy just always held me back from seriously trying to join. I'll share in my own video. BUT I'm definitely subscribing to your channel! Good insight and detailed.
Good video. I used to want to be a part of satam and even vibed with the whole representation in anime (entirely reasons, but eh). But as i grew, I realized they don't really reflect that message in the slightest nor respect the medium even with the talent there. I fucking love your comments on representation and how you say that the reader should come to that conclusion (s bit iffy on one end but i get the sentiment) in favt you outright explained why you see ma y african americans claim characters like piccolo, yoruichi, etc as black despite not fitting the part its that feel of the character you connebt with that reminds you of yourself or someone you know its a subconscious thing but something that resonates beyond borders. And trust, Im more for more black characters and not just that MAIN characters, the face of a story in anime or just in anything, but how it's done doesn'tt feel authentic or genuine and its gotten so bad that people will see a black character and called it dei crazy huh. Like you said, it needs to be natural, and unfortunately, that just doesn't happen enough even in the indie space. 100% agreed on the desperation for msny indie crestors wanting to look coorprate or professional when the grand appeal of indie creations was it was made by average people who just wanted to share stories without a middleman. They become the very things they break away from, which only stigmatizes this as lesser comics than something entirely different. Last comments i really appreciate how you mentioned how anime was once dejected in the states and thise that consume them just as much ( only in america, other larts of the world were warm to manga) btw you knew what anti-anime was
The name of the website could be something more related to the works present in their platform, like how shonen is a genre for a specific group of readers about a specific grouf of topics and themes, that's why it is more easy to find shonen jump, because it's a genre. Another example of that is manga plus, because it's is a specific structure of layout and rules that the book must follow called manga, so that the reader already knows what is going to consume. The name could be for example Indie Comics, Exotic Comics, Young Fantasy, Nomad Comics, something related to the products of the platform.
I've always thought something was off about Saturday AM, but couldn't quite put my finger on it. I think you perfectly articulated what I find off about it. Good job
Nice video, very informative and well thought, i studying visual design and i can tell that SATURDAY AM doesn't know how to create a first page nice page on the website or comic, it should be the most important page, because you wanna grab the attention of the readers to read, i think it's self-explanatory .
Some of the book covers on the site don't link into the comic chapters or pages, they are just decorations, and the text on their website about politicts, gender and color is not needed and doesn't add any value for the creators on the platform neither to the advertisement of their comics, just useless.
Wow didn’t see this coming first time watching this video. I’m honestly at a loss for words at this point. I puffer to do things on my own when it comes to creating Manga, comics etc.
New sub! Good video. I remember I wanted to join Saturday AM almost 5 years ago. Then I started to become disappointed with the more research I did on them. But I’m looking forward to your videos! Good stuff.
@@sam0300 He's so adament about diversity yet almost evetyone is black. I honestly assumed he would find that an issue. But primarily, we wouldn't get along.
Hello! Creator of the publisher of Lumebento! #1 thank you for the shoutout! #2 This was shared with me by an awesome person and after whatching this you hit a lot of great points! Keep up the great work, I made sure to sub for more content. After your reviews on the website en We have heard the feedback and will be changing out website layout for better reader consumption! Thank you!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! I do really love the characters sliding across the screen in your website its so cool. Goodluck on Penguin Boy and thanks for the sub!
SATURDAY AM, doesn't have a tab about genres, that is terrible, i mean, imagine that similar products in a shopping are all in boxes but you want to buy something very specific, and you have to find each one by the cover or by opening every box on the shopping, because the person that takes care of the shopping doesn't know where specific product are, and if you ever question about specific products, the answer is always going to be "we have comics", end of conversation.
What's the goal or intent behind criticizing Saturday AM (I'm just curious)? While I did hear your point about how other groups might not need to represent Black people (which I more than agree with), however, it's also easy to see (at least from my perspective as a Black creative who has been around the sun about 30 times) that the intent on his end is simply to have Black portrayals, rather than to complain that other groups aren't featuring Black characters.
Thank you for these questions! This will be a long response cuz it touches on some things I read and came to terms with after posting this video! The main point on criticizing Sat Am is to inform people. As for the intent of Frederick Jones the founder, I go into how his actions and his statements go beyond simply having black portrayals in terms of how he runs SatAm. If it was just simply that, as many other works have done, I would have no complaints. I also would encourage you to read the article in the description that goes Jones's reason for creating Sat Am more. I did not read it until I was finishing up the video so I didn't get to comment directly on it but its probably why I had a bad feeling and went on that topic. He says this “Manga cannot become this popular and, then at the same time, send the message to Black and brown kids that they can’t be the hero. They can’t be the pretty, beautiful person, they can’t be the heroic sidekick - the Sasuke [from Naruto] if you will. We can’t even exist,” Jones said. “So I just thought it was really important for Saturday AM to make sure we’re giving young people permission to dream. Permission to imagine scenarios where they can be a Black wizard, a squad of young Black kids like Naruto fighting crime or being ninjas. You have to give them permission to do that.” I'll be real. After reading some of the stuff he says I straight up don't like the guy's intent. His ideal of portrayal is very condescending and misunderstanding black manga fans like me. We don't need to be given permission to dream by a poorly run company: there's plenty of inspiring black artist and role models and the way he represents blackness as having an insecure identity crisis by engaging with other cultures feels xenophobic tbh. Being a Naruto fan never told me I can't be a ninja [funny he says this when there are black ninjas in Naruto, one being a major character and calls Sasuke a sidekick when he's not lol] but he hasn't even read or respects the manga he complains about. Him saying our favorite manga series are telling us we can't exist is a lie. He's trying to create consumer insecurity to sell his product which is business 101. Manga empowers many black fans and creators because we actually have the ability to relate and connect with its characters regardless of what they look like and Fred takes issue with that. His idea of diversity is less diversity and more of his need to enforce American racial boundaries in an art form he's not even a fan of from a culture he probably doesn't understand so he can make money off the dreams of smaller creators looking for an OEL manga brand to be published in. Then when he gets criticism for how he mistreats those diverse creators he tries to hide behind "diversity and blackness" as if he's benevolent. Frankly, it's embarrassing that someone like him is trying to represent manga inspired black creators. Alot of black manga creators do create black manga character portrayals out of a genuine love and understanding of themselves and the artform and honestly Fred's words and business don't rep that. It's something twisted and worth having a place where I and people who may feel similar can express that. I don't expect everyone to agree with me but that's my reasoning.
@@SmolSachi小幸 Firstly thanks for the very well thought out and written response. I definitely have a much better understanding of what the goal of the video was. You've given me a ton of new perspective (while I do follow him and his platform on socials, I haven't been engaged in neither his messaging nor work, so I was curious really curios when I saw this video recommended to me), I'll definitely give that article a read.
Saturday AM seems to have you contemplating quite a bit 😂. Shonen Jump, the model for many “western” artists inspired by manga, has reportedly been around since the 1960s. Japanese manga and anime are both historically backed by their government and large corporations as they are seen as cultural exports. The comparison to “indie manga” versus an established industry, with clear support like Japanese manga, is like comparing a single apple to an apple orchard. As someone who lived in Japan, not visited, I will say that in my experience the comic culture over there is far more mainstream than it has been in the US for generations, probably dating back to the World War era when comics served as tools for government agendas. There is seemingly far more support in Japanese manga than will be shown to American comics as a whole, let alone so called “indie manga”. Again, as someone who lived in Japan and ironically enough, as someone who named their channel “indie manga experience” (searchable title 👍), I see most of what is going on as appropriation of Japanese media. Most creators are so far off from a lived Japanese experience and mindset, that they seem more like obsessed fans who were told about a thing more than anything else. I don’t call myself a “manga” artist, I call myself a comic artist regardless if I lived in Japan and was inspired by Japanese manga artists. To each their own. 🤷♂️ “Indie manga” may grow into something that people can respect, or it may not. However, artists feeling they need to be respected by their peers or need to “police the space” is becoming more visibly a waste of time, imo. Who cares if someone has a one shot or a few chapters out 😂? There are plenty of Japanese artists who didn’t release weekly or even monthly and did fine. Shirow of GITS and Otomo of Akira fame, both come to mind. Everyone has their own process and business model, even Saturday AM. Long message, but a lot to unpack. Cool video, good luck to you.
REAL, they really did! I appreciate the long comment and letting me know your thoughts. Also, really cool to here from someone who's lived in Japan! I'm glad you mentioned this information, particularly about how much infrastructure exist around manga in Japan and how much history it has. It's something a lot of people understate when trying to replicate the success of an artform from the ground up [and one day I'd like the talk about the history of the lesser-known manhwa industry]. I was familiar with this information about the origins of the manga industry as well on how far back western fans of manga go but since it wasn't the focus I didn't feel the need to go into it. I appreciate this comment as it can give viewers of this video further context though. I do not look down on Saturday Am or any creator for not being on the level of the massive manga industry as all throughout the video and especially the end I talk about the charm of being a humble creator and that there's nothing wrong with not being as popular etc. I personally have no desire to police other creators as I spoke on the importance of valuing other's being free. I am speaking plainly about the state of the indie manga space so that others who see what I see can better assess it. I also relate to you about the who manga thing. I'm inspired by manga, but I refer to myself as a comic artist as well. Feels more universal I guess. As for Saturday Am, yes everyone has their own processes and business model. But their business model includes canceling series without telling their creators, poorly communicating with their employees, breeding misinformation with their marketing campaigns amongst other things I covered. This is information I believe people should have and if Sat Am is a business that cares about consumers: will desire feedback. But I feel you on people being overly concerned with other creators. Trust me, I plan go back to fun stuff after this. If I make more videos, this won't be the focus of the channel. Hope that clears up my reasons for posting this video and thanks for the thoughtful and insightful comment! I checked out your TH-cam cuz I like looking for more indie comics to read so good luck on your work!
I will read your webtoons and give you later some comments on the Webtoons chapters page or if you want, i put it in a diferent place to, just say it and thank you for the video.
@@SmolSachi小幸 Yes Oh Yes I really do here are a few Horizon Project, Ye Olde Treehouse, Walesena, No Name Star, Rune Symbol, Black Lotus, Unstoppable All-Star, BlackBlaze, Element, Splicer, Spiral Highway, Endless Sea, Lostworks, Antumbra, Wolf of Silver Moonlight, Magna Ax, Soul Anomaly and Byoto
@@SmolSachi小幸 Sorry for the lengthy recommendations I just want to let someone know about these I'd do it myself but I am shy and not used to making videos on TH-cam and I especially don't want to show my face
@SmolSachi小幸 I am. Like someone else in your comments here said - Im not sure I understand why you are posting this video. I’m also a person that similar TH-camrs have accused of being a homophobe in videos like this. Just trying to understand your goals here. You have an anonymous profile, your 1st ever video is 30 min attacking us for caring about diversity? You’re then giving advice on our series success and I think it would be informative for people to know more about you and your professional qualifications to make such claims? The folks who are responding to this video have tried to join us - I’ve actually spoken to a few of them before and it’s telling that they are supporting this video when they have very little connection to us. All of this just seems awfully strange and a bit obsessive and as I said, I’m not sure what the point here is but to smear us and attract trolls. While you are anonymous the folks at Saturday AM and myself are not. You all seem very well aware of the damage you cause others but don’t seem to care. But, if you’re truly interested in opinions - reach out to me one on one and let’s do an interview. I’d love to understand what motivates someone to do something like this and I’d be happy to answer your questions as well. I’ll be waiting.
Hey, I appreciate your thoughts though tbh I do question if you watched my video first because it would answer your question. I will try to answer all your points in this comment to the best of my ability. 1, I am very pro diversity both in media consumption, creation, and values as shown in my video. 2, I don't know what your intent is by bringing up what other TH-camrs have falsely accused you of. I'm sorry you had to experience that, and I understand the stressful reaction that I might be similar but I have no connections to that. In my video I make clear I am not criticizing the various talents of Sat Am. 3, you can call what I say advice but I see it more of giving the perspective of a prospect consumer. I'm a reader of comics and I think its valuable information to know why someone in their target: a black bi manga reader might be put off by their branding. It's up to them to do with that information what they will. When I get comic criticism or support for my comics I do the same. Listening to others may help me improve or maybe it's worth sticking to my vision. Sat Am has the same choice. If you do not agree with my review I respect that. 4 I don't know the history of those responding to this video with Sat Am. I have no connection to the indie manga space other than looking for things to read. I'm an observer and don't know anyone personally. 5 it's not a smear. If stating my observations about what Sat Am does hurts its reputation than Sat Am needs to know this is how they are perceived and work to portray themselves differently for their own benefit because I'm not the only person who sees what I talk about in this video. Please correct me if my observations are based on misinformation. 6 weird to call a single video obsessive. I made this video to express my feelings and get discussion with others and TH-cam was the best option, so thank you for participating. 7 I talk about my motivations in my video. I'm responding because you're from Sat Am and I want to give your comment my respects but I would love for you to watch my video and address what I have to say because I addressed all of your questions by the end. If you'd like to do an interview I'm not against it? It might be fun and I think you'll realize I'm not out for anyone's neck, turns out I watched some of your vids not long ago haha. But also, I draw my own comics and have my own life so...time. And I'm not sure if your issue with me being anonymous is and want to interview me to get personal info to retaliate for criticizing the company you work for[not saying you are but I have to consider]. But none of my socials are hidden if again, you watch the video. If you'd like to have a casual chat about this all I'd be down! Why not? If we do I hope we'd both get a lot out of it.
@@SmolSachi小幸 You’re seemingly intelligent, and I can admire that in a person. It makes it feel less lonely sometimes when you can identify that in someone you’re talking to 😂. BUT, I do question how sincere you are in some of the things you say. 1) You say you’re not criticizing the various talents of Saturday AM, but in your video description, you say you’re “dissing” Saturday AM. What is a whole, if it is not comprised of its parts? The various talents of Saturday AM are Saturday AM. “I think the LA Lakers are a crap team, but I’m not criticizing the players on it.” 2) You have no connection to the indie manga space other than looking for things to read, you don’t know anyone personally, and it’s not a smear? Yet, you link another creator, “Tapir Clip”, in your video description. A creator who made an almost 2 hour video showing a clear disdain for Whyt Manga of Saturday AM. The thumbnail for the video alone seems more than just a “criticism”, it comes off as inflammatory. I think he even added flame effects around Whyt’s avatar 😂, and started the rant with a video of Whyt’s book being burnt 🤣. It seems rather….convenient….that you linked this person in your description. The so called “indie manga space” is not that big. Anyone who has an interest in it, to the point where they can make a video such as yours, I’m sure is connected…at least a little bit. We are all subject to the algorithm. Also, the formula of “attack Saturday AM” to get views is not new. The reason I say “attack” is because it’s rarely constructive. I give constructive feedback, and reviews. Slander and criticism may both walk on two legs, and you can even try to call them by the same name, but that doesn’t mean they are the same person. You’ve amassed quite a bit of attention, and subscribers for a debut video. Again, those who make videos such as yours against Saturday AM seem to get the most attention, and quickly. I’m not saying that is your intent…and I’m not even upset about it…but there are a lot of…convenient things happening here. 🤔
Clarifying info:1) The title in the description was the original title of the video and I changed it to fit something typical of TH-cam. I'm poking fun at the issues in the company and it reflects my frustration with the things I talk about. If anyone watched the details of the video, its clearly all about the business and brand and the only person I really am really harsh about is the CEO Frederick. It seems neither Jaackie Staar or anyone making assumptions have watched it and I get across my intentions better there. She didn't watch it and we are splitting hairs. Should people not be able to criticize a company simply because not all of its workers partake in the problems? Or should I retitle the video to something? Maybe I should retitle the video to "The Brand of Sat Am sucks" or something like that? But yeah saying I'm criticizing the whole team is like saying I'm criticizing everyone who works for Google when I criticize Google's and their higher ups tactics. I understand that me criticizing the company as a whole isn't good for Sat Am's other artist but I'm mostly talking about things their company could fix. Why should I keep my mouth closed? If for example, the way Fred talks to his former employees or markets his products gets a negative response, you can question my intent on pointing it out but maybe you should question his intent on doing it so people don't point it out publicly. My video is a representation about how a lot of people see the company but aren't saying, regardless if I made a video or not. 2) My connection to Tapir Clip: you're right! maybe I shouldn't have said I don't have any connections in the indie manga space because I didn't see it that way. I don't know Tapir Clip personally, and I felt there was an implication that I'm like close with people from the indie space or have a long history which I do not. But I do watch and read Tapir Clips content and his comics because they're entertaining and I do like his some of his insight on Sat Am. I don't know anyone on a personal level though. For years I was observing Sat AM I knew no one and found Tapir like a month or so ago. So I still think of myself that way. That being said, many of the videos people criticize Sat Am don't take the company seriously or are honestly way more harsh and even anti diversity. So, I wanted there to be a video going over the turn offs to Sat Am that doesn't involve being anti-diversity and is straight forward. Because Saturday Am markets itself as the face of diversity and associates itself so strongly with diverse and black comics, and does some of the things it does in the video: it looks bad on not just their company but the social groups they claim to represent. When Fredrick Jones of Sat AM claims blacks will lose the integrity of their ethnic identity because of our favorite anime and therefore need Saturday AM "diverse" company only to make diversity look bad by mistreating creators, taking advantage of the lack of infrastructure in the OEL manga community, and misrepresenting the art his company is using to make money...I honestly think something needs to spark discussion and openness about what's going on. Some people might not like the style I did so but it clearly worked as we're all here talking about this publicly as everything I talked about was public information in the first place. Yeah, the point was to get views! I want people to see and discuss it. Should I have spoken about Saturday AM in a way where no one can see it? I get that people are antsy of my intentions because this is one video on a lone channel and surprisingly, it picked up steam despite being on a lone channel. If anything, that's the point. I could have actually put the video somewhere where I'd get more engagement on a personal level but I didn't because that wasn't my intent [yeah I threw my comics in there cuz lol why not? but if I already have an audience and have been doing my work long before Sat AM inspired me to make a video. You can lump me in with drama channels but time will show I'm not one of them. in 4 years everyone will have moved on. This video will exist. Discussion passed. On to other things]. I have no plans of becoming some large TH-cam content creator that churns out 10s of videos about Sat if that's what they fear even though I said in the video I was going back to my cave after this. Its simply what is it: a video on TH-cam. You don't need to be a TH-camr to make a TH-cam video. If I ever do, make more videos on here it won't be focused on Sat Am and it'd be rare anyways because I draw comics. And if this video helped boost me who cares? Why does my intent matter more than what I spoke about? Do you personally like Saturday AMs brand and operations? Thats the point of my video. It seems when people don't have any counter to the points people make, they need to focus on my intentions. 3) If people watched the entire video, I think I laid my intentions and thoughts out pretty straight forwardly. The only reason I'm doing a back and forth is because Jackie Star works for Sat Am and has dealt with harassment so I can understand why she might not want to get through the thing not knowing what I talk about. But its disingenuous to say she wants to know why I'd make the video and blatantly doesn't watch it.
You sound kinda biased. I dont know if you had some kind of beef with AM, (like not getting your manga accepted with the company) but it kind of comes across that way. Plus several things what you said isn't true They do have free chapters to read on their website. And they do seem like a very successful brand. Awards are an achievement. It shows that the books have a level of quality. And im willing to bet it's not easy to get an award for any author. Their manga books are in big retail chains, comic stores, etc. That's an achievement too. I dont think it's cool to label them as small and unsuccessful just because they aren't big yet like shonen jump. They are only 10 years old. Isn't Shonen Jump like over 50 years old now? That's not a fair comparison Instead of recommending videos from clowns like tapirclip who have stated they thrive on drama and hate content, do better. Actually research what your talking about before spewing out nonsense. Otherwise you just come across as a hater trying to get attention
Cool. I don't mind being biased. Though, I've never had any interest in publishing to Sat Am nor have I ever interacted with them personally. I don't think you've gotten through the whole video as I went over everything you mentioned and if you did, you'd realized I agree with you on several points like how there's nothing wrong with them not being as big as Shonen Jump and I show they have a few free chapters in my website overview. Anyways, thanks for leaving a comment! Helps my engagement
1) They have chapters to read for free but getting to them with a few clicks is hard when you have to go through the SatAM agenda first. 2) Successful brand is quite a misnomer, SatAM is definitely not successful because they have never, ever given sales numbers or any other statistics for their books, Fred doesn't even want to reveal that to his own artists. 3) Nothing much has changed in 10 years, sadly. I've been following them since 2017. 4 years after they created this 'movement' which is just pushing diversive mangas that not many people are interested in. -Yes they managed to have their mangas in some bookstores 'worldwide' but the question is whether people buy it. Remove Odunze Oguguo from SatAM and the whole company will go down. Because no one reads other SatAM comics than Apple Black or Clock Striker. ------>In the end, they are just thieves when they don't give some a portion of the money from SAIGAMI sales to the author Seny, who voluntarily left and they kept her Manga, and always try to cover her books on social media with stickers so no one can see Saigami books.
@SmolSachi小幸 Hey I'm sending you a DM on Instagram with what I posted. As it is possible that TH-cam blocked the comment even though I see no reason for them to have done so.
@SmolSachi小幸 I wanna know what is your opinion about artists on youtube, their fantasy worlds, stories, designs, and the way they sell and publish their work like Monstergarden, Matt Rhodes, Trent Kaniuga, Neytirix.
Finally, someone speaks up about this issue. Saturday am always gave a fake vibe to me. Trying to prove that they were not a normal corporate publisher they are a “Black Publisher”. Like there’s a difference in that still screwing storytellers and comic creators over, while trying to shake down consumers whatever penny they have. As a black comic artist too I don’t want anime representation I want black culture stories being told I.E. American cultural story’s being told so people can understand their neighborhood and who to fix it if there issues. I love the anime/manga art style so I’ll take it but I don’t know Japan or the east like that. I can feel what the people are going through. How can we demand representation from other countries when we can’t do it for ours? People in America don’t even know what red lining is sooo… All in all we want stories not corporations. Indies have more sway and last longer than corporate money because it comes from the heart.
Thank you so much for the shoutouts! I'm grateful to be part of this video, and happy to see pushback to Saturday AM. There's so much about this I love but first I'll say thank you for highlighting how frustrating their website is. I always shrugged it off as bad web design but no! You're right! It's not made for the average reader, so it doesn't matter if its confusing and difficult to navigate.
Your comment about the push for diversity in manga was an interesting new perspective. This was very insightful: “imagine if people from Osaka started demanding that Kendrick Lamar started rapping about the experiences of the Japanese salaryman, even if he studied up on the subject, is he really the best person for that?”
Apologies if this comes off as arrogant, but your aside about going to manga for the Japanese experience made me realize that I don’t do that. I first got really into anime by watching shoujo. I thought of it as “cartoons for girls” and I was being really cool and rebellious for seeking out Sailor Moon and Cardcaptors (I also thought of Tenchi Muyo as a “girl show” because of its female-majority cast, which, lol). As a kid, I was genuinely bothered that most cartoons didn’t have a lot of female characters or non-white characters.
When I started watching subtitled anime, I saw that as getting the “real” stuff, the “authentic Japanese” product. That novelty wore off once it became the majority of my media diet. I still get that feeling of “I’m indulging in something foreign” when I consume something like a k-drama or Bollywood movies. My brain is so fried by otaku media now that I can’t relate to or enjoy most American media (Again, sorry if this comes off like I’m bragging about a media diet)
If a manga has a a Black character, I am more eager to read it. Same with any manga that goes outside the norm in some way (like a shoujo series created by a man).
When a mangaka deliberately does something very outsider, it signals to me, as someone who’s an outsider to manga (as in, white guy who didn’t grow up in Japan or speaking Japanese) that this artist is also approaching this art form in a way that’s different. And I want to seek out the outliers.
Eventually I realized the heart of being an “otaku” is someone who’s nerdy and shunned by the mainstream. And the core of that identity innately appeals to me. So I've dialed back my fandom purity requirements, I no longer insist on my media having a certain level of diversity or being mold-breaking to deem it worthy of my time. I agree with your point at 22:41 - people will let their art speak for itself.
Still, I think it’s nice when media is diverse, when it tries to be different, because as a consumer that’s what I want to see (I am the wrong person to collect this data but I’ve always been interested in why OEL manga seems to be mostly Black artists).
But you make a great point with Clock Striker. They should’ve marketed this as a steampunk manga! Everyone can tell there’s a Black protagonist!! One of my favorite animes is Megalobox. When I try to pitch this show to people, I talk about the atmosphere and the incredible soundtrack. All of the in-universe diversity and Black protagonist add a lot to this story, but that’s never going to be my lead for why I think people should watch it.
Sorry for long comment but this video unlocked something I wasn’t cognizant of. Thank you. Here’s hoping the Saturday AM gang finds this video next 🥂
First off, thank you so much for leaving this long insightful comment! Also nothing you said sounds arrogant in fact I heavily relate to the Japanese media doesn't feel foreign anymore, as a long time fan. Its interesting that you jumped into shoujo works. Brings me back to when my neighbors used to bring VHS tapes over of it from the library. I also checked out mega lo blox...definitely an interesting artstyle with alot of great fights! I didn't know that show existed so that was a fun rabbit hole. Hearing that some of my ideas sparked this kind of discussion is very inspiring to me. I've kinda been quietly observing the scene for years. Whenever I have thoughts I usually just go along drawing my comic and pushing the desire to connect with other creators into the background. Also nothing you said was arrogant! Very much love hearing people go into detail on their passions as a fellow chatterbox. Sorry for how long it took to leave proper response. The whole few days around making this video as well as finding more information on the topic right after was exhausting and I needed to step away from it for a bit. I myself grew up in a very diverse community which I love, and my artwork is a reflects that because thats naturally how I see the world. It's quite possible that I take diversity, both irl and in media for granted as I seldom think about it intentionally the way I needed to here. Thinking about race in the very boxed in way the Sat Am staff talk is very jarring for me and opened a whole can of worms tbh. Trying to compartmentalize all of the different ways different people see diversity and where I stand on it was a process for everything surrounding this topic and I did want to get this video out at an opportune time before I loss the steam to talk about it but ended up feeling high-strung as a result haha. I definitely agree that the best pro to diverse media is the creative infusion. I also hope more people expand their taste into diverse types and sources of media. Lastly, I love that you pointed out the heart of the otaku. The way your approach to being conscious but not fixating on purity fandom stuff is extremely freeing to watch and has helped me discover ways I can better express myself that has been so relieving. Keep doing you, I think it will inspire others to feel more free aswell!
really good video, people who seek representation in other cultures are very shallow also they always talk about the awards and reconigtion they get but never talk about their sells and artist who use to be with them have said in the past that they never know what their sales were
When I found one of their manga, I thought they were woke, trying to push their identity politics into manga. But I gave one of their books a shot, Titan King and Underground, and those books aren't bad. No Mary Sues and lecturing. Just characters being people. I think how they are marketing their products is their problem.
they need to take a backseat in marketing cause you don’t market to a western audience the same way you market to an eastern one
Per usual. Saturday AM will send their goons to defend against a valid opinion. Also appreciate the quick ONSOL-GO shoutout. Peace to everyone creating and pushing to get their stories out!
Opinions can’t come with rebuttals? 🤔
I don’t think someone should be labeled a “goon” or another inflammatory (dismissive) ad hominem simply for not agreeing with you. Everyone seems to be articulating their points fairly well in the comment section. Maybe you see something that I’m not? 🤔
If they are being rough around the edges, well, sometimes a spirited opinion will receive a spirited reply. 🤷♂️
Happy New Year, btw, from The Glove to The Chi. 🥳🙏
@@ToonsiTalksMedia Yeah I guess.
@@STUDIOLUNXCH Sometimes, we can guess right. 👍
@@ToonsiTalksMedia I guess.
@@STUDIOLUNXCH I got you the first time bro 👍. But she encouraged people to share their opinions.
If one is comfortable playing offense, they need to be capable of playing defense. Shout out to her. Wish y’all success on your journeys. I’m out, I guess. 😎✌️💯
SAT AM are books meant for libraries, and I mean that as more of a critique of their interest and impact. When you visit a library there are mangas that have been beat up, pages folded back, drink stains on them; there’s volume 1 and 2s of series that almost never make it back to the shelves. And then there’s Clock Striker or Apple Black: Pristine, near brand new copies, that never move when they’re stocked. They make libraries look good or progressive and fun to trot out on cultural holidays, but that’s about it, in my opinion.
All of needed to be said in such a clear, straight up way. Great video.
Thanks for watching! I've been a sub of yours for a while!
@@SmolSachi小幸 You're welcome, also thanks!! Ngl, I think I watched this at least 4 times in a row XD
Very insightful. I've actually have had my own experience with Saturday-AM and I will be making a video for it.I approached Frederick in the earlier days of Saturday AM and wanted my series Endlocke to be a part of the brand. At that time, he had Apple Black (Whytmanga), Bully Eater (Ray Brown), and his series Ghost. I wouldn't say I've ever been treated wrong personally, but I've heard tales over the years, I've seen their responses to any criticism they get, and the brand philosophy just always held me back from seriously trying to join. I'll share in my own video. BUT I'm definitely subscribing to your channel! Good insight and detailed.
Good video. I used to want to be a part of satam and even vibed with the whole representation in anime (entirely reasons, but eh). But as i grew, I realized they don't really reflect that message in the slightest nor respect the medium even with the talent there.
I fucking love your comments on representation and how you say that the reader should come to that conclusion (s bit iffy on one end but i get the sentiment) in favt you outright explained why you see ma y african americans claim characters like piccolo, yoruichi, etc as black despite not fitting the part its that feel of the character you connebt with that reminds you of yourself or someone you know its a subconscious thing but something that resonates beyond borders.
And trust, Im more for more black characters and not just that MAIN characters, the face of a story in anime or just in anything, but how it's done doesn'tt feel authentic or genuine and its gotten so bad that people will see a black character and called it dei crazy huh. Like you said, it needs to be natural, and unfortunately, that just doesn't happen enough even in the indie space.
100% agreed on the desperation for msny indie crestors wanting to look coorprate or professional when the grand appeal of indie creations was it was made by average people who just wanted to share stories without a middleman. They become the very things they break away from, which only stigmatizes this as lesser comics than something entirely different.
Last comments i really appreciate how you mentioned how anime was once dejected in the states and thise that consume them just as much ( only in america, other larts of the world were warm to manga) btw you knew what anti-anime was
7:01 He seems chill on TH-cam but on other social media platforms he's a anything but that.
The name of the website could be something more related to the works present in their platform, like how shonen is a genre for a specific group of readers about a specific grouf of topics and themes, that's why it is more easy to find shonen jump, because it's a genre. Another example of that is manga plus, because it's is a specific structure of layout and rules that the book must follow called manga, so that the reader already knows what is going to consume. The name could be for example Indie Comics, Exotic Comics, Young Fantasy, Nomad Comics, something related to the products of the platform.
I've always thought something was off about Saturday AM, but couldn't quite put my finger on it. I think you perfectly articulated what I find off about it. Good job
Nice video, very informative and well thought, i studying visual design and i can tell that SATURDAY AM doesn't know how to create a first page nice page on the website or comic, it should be the most important page, because you wanna grab the attention of the readers to read, i think it's self-explanatory .
Some of the book covers on the site don't link into the comic chapters or pages, they are just decorations, and the text on their website about politicts, gender and color is not needed and doesn't add any value for the creators on the platform neither to the advertisement of their comics, just useless.
i get so easily bored on critic videos, i like learning, so you were a breath of fresh air. Thanks
Wow didn’t see this coming first time watching this video. I’m honestly at a loss for words at this point. I puffer to do things on my own when it comes to creating Manga, comics etc.
New sub! Good video. I remember I wanted to join Saturday AM almost 5 years ago. Then I started to become disappointed with the more research I did on them. But I’m looking forward to your videos! Good stuff.
I wanted to join in 2016 but knew Fred and I wouldn't get along, plus i'm not black.
Weird comment @@aka_zenko
@@sam0300 He's so adament about diversity yet almost evetyone is black. I honestly assumed he would find that an issue. But primarily, we wouldn't get along.
Hello! Creator of the publisher of Lumebento! #1 thank you for the shoutout! #2 This was shared with me by an awesome person and after whatching this you hit a lot of great points! Keep up the great work, I made sure to sub for more content.
After your reviews on the website en We have heard the feedback and will be changing out website layout for better reader consumption! Thank you!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
I do really love the characters sliding across the screen in your website its so cool. Goodluck on Penguin Boy and thanks for the sub!
SATURDAY AM, doesn't have a tab about genres, that is terrible, i mean, imagine that similar products in a shopping are all in boxes but you want to buy something very specific, and you have to find each one by the cover or by opening every box on the shopping, because the person that takes care of the shopping doesn't know where specific product are, and if you ever question about specific products, the answer is always going to be "we have comics", end of conversation.
amazing video
Something to start to the new years. Let's go
What's the goal or intent behind criticizing Saturday AM (I'm just curious)?
While I did hear your point about how other groups might not need to represent Black people (which I more than agree with), however, it's also easy to see (at least from my perspective as a Black creative who has been around the sun about 30 times) that the intent on his end is simply to have Black portrayals, rather than to complain that other groups aren't featuring Black characters.
Thank you for these questions! This will be a long response cuz it touches on some things I read and came to terms with after posting this video!
The main point on criticizing Sat Am is to inform people. As for the intent of Frederick Jones the founder, I go into how his actions and his statements go beyond simply having black portrayals in terms of how he runs SatAm. If it was just simply that, as many other works have done, I would have no complaints. I also would encourage you to read the article in the description that goes Jones's reason for creating Sat Am more. I did not read it until I was finishing up the video so I didn't get to comment directly on it but its probably why I had a bad feeling and went on that topic. He says this “Manga cannot become this popular and, then at the same time, send the message to Black and brown kids that they can’t be the hero. They can’t be the pretty, beautiful person, they can’t be the heroic sidekick - the Sasuke [from Naruto] if you will. We can’t even exist,” Jones said. “So I just thought it was really important for Saturday AM to make sure we’re giving young people permission to dream. Permission to imagine scenarios where they can be a Black wizard, a squad of young Black kids like Naruto fighting crime or being ninjas. You have to give them permission to do that.” I'll be real. After reading some of the stuff he says I straight up don't like the guy's intent. His ideal of portrayal is very condescending and misunderstanding black manga fans like me. We don't need to be given permission to dream by a poorly run company: there's plenty of inspiring black artist and role models and the way he represents blackness as having an insecure identity crisis by engaging with other cultures feels xenophobic tbh. Being a Naruto fan never told me I can't be a ninja [funny he says this when there are black ninjas in Naruto, one being a major character and calls Sasuke a sidekick when he's not lol] but he hasn't even read or respects the manga he complains about. Him saying our favorite manga series are telling us we can't exist is a lie. He's trying to create consumer insecurity to sell his product which is business 101. Manga empowers many black fans and creators because we actually have the ability to relate and connect with its characters regardless of what they look like and Fred takes issue with that. His idea of diversity is less diversity and more of his need to enforce American racial boundaries in an art form he's not even a fan of from a culture he probably doesn't understand so he can make money off the dreams of smaller creators looking for an OEL manga brand to be published in. Then when he gets criticism for how he mistreats those diverse creators he tries to hide behind "diversity and blackness" as if he's benevolent. Frankly, it's embarrassing that someone like him is trying to represent manga inspired black creators. Alot of black manga creators do create black manga character portrayals out of a genuine love and understanding of themselves and the artform and honestly Fred's words and business don't rep that. It's something twisted and worth having a place where I and people who may feel similar can express that. I don't expect everyone to agree with me but that's my reasoning.
@@SmolSachi小幸 Firstly thanks for the very well thought out and written response. I definitely have a much better understanding of what the goal of the video was. You've given me a ton of new perspective (while I do follow him and his platform on socials, I haven't been engaged in neither his messaging nor work, so I was curious really curios when I saw this video recommended to me), I'll definitely give that article a read.
They company is mid
Will you do more videos on this channel about art or about the art industry, indie or not ?
Saturday AM seems to have you contemplating quite a bit 😂. Shonen Jump, the model for many “western” artists inspired by manga, has reportedly been around since the 1960s. Japanese manga and anime are both historically backed by their government and large corporations as they are seen as cultural exports. The comparison to “indie manga” versus an established industry, with clear support like Japanese manga, is like comparing a single apple to an apple orchard.
As someone who lived in Japan, not visited, I will say that in my experience the comic culture over there is far more mainstream than it has been in the US for generations, probably dating back to the World War era when comics served as tools for government agendas. There is seemingly far more support in Japanese manga than will be shown to American comics as a whole, let alone so called “indie manga”. Again, as someone who lived in Japan and ironically enough, as someone who named their channel “indie manga experience” (searchable title 👍), I see most of what is going on as appropriation of Japanese media. Most creators are so far off from a lived Japanese experience and mindset, that they seem more like obsessed fans who were told about a thing more than anything else. I don’t call myself a “manga” artist, I call myself a comic artist regardless if I lived in Japan and was inspired by Japanese manga artists. To each their own. 🤷♂️
“Indie manga” may grow into something that people can respect, or it may not. However, artists feeling they need to be respected by their peers or need to “police the space” is becoming more visibly a waste of time, imo.
Who cares if someone has a one shot or a few chapters out 😂? There are plenty of Japanese artists who didn’t release weekly or even monthly and did fine. Shirow of GITS and Otomo of Akira fame, both come to mind. Everyone has their own process and business model, even Saturday AM.
Long message, but a lot to unpack. Cool video, good luck to you.
REAL, they really did! I appreciate the long comment and letting me know your thoughts. Also, really cool to here from someone who's lived in Japan! I'm glad you mentioned this information, particularly about how much infrastructure exist around manga in Japan and how much history it has. It's something a lot of people understate when trying to replicate the success of an artform from the ground up [and one day I'd like the talk about the history of the lesser-known manhwa industry]. I was familiar with this information about the origins of the manga industry as well on how far back western fans of manga go but since it wasn't the focus I didn't feel the need to go into it. I appreciate this comment as it can give viewers of this video further context though. I do not look down on Saturday Am or any creator for not being on the level of the massive manga industry as all throughout the video and especially the end I talk about the charm of being a humble creator and that there's nothing wrong with not being as popular etc. I personally have no desire to police other creators as I spoke on the importance of valuing other's being free. I am speaking plainly about the state of the indie manga space so that others who see what I see can better assess it. I also relate to you about the who manga thing. I'm inspired by manga, but I refer to myself as a comic artist as well. Feels more universal I guess.
As for Saturday Am, yes everyone has their own processes and business model. But their business model includes canceling series without telling their creators, poorly communicating with their employees, breeding misinformation with their marketing campaigns amongst other things I covered. This is information I believe people should have and if Sat Am is a business that cares about consumers: will desire feedback. But I feel you on people being overly concerned with other creators. Trust me, I plan go back to fun stuff after this. If I make more videos, this won't be the focus of the channel.
Hope that clears up my reasons for posting this video and thanks for the thoughtful and insightful comment! I checked out your TH-cam cuz I like looking for more indie comics to read so good luck on your work!
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I will read your webtoons and give you later some comments on the Webtoons chapters page or if you want, i put it in a diferent place to, just say it and thank you for the video.
I hope you enjoy them[or one of em]! I enjoy any comments left on Webtoon!
Happy New YEar!
Happy new year!
Hey will you also be doing reviews for indie series just asking
I don't have any plans yet but that might be fun! Any recommendations?
@@SmolSachi小幸 Yes Oh Yes I really do here are a few Horizon Project, Ye Olde Treehouse, Walesena, No Name Star, Rune Symbol, Black Lotus, Unstoppable All-Star, BlackBlaze, Element, Splicer, Spiral Highway, Endless Sea, Lostworks, Antumbra, Wolf of Silver Moonlight, Magna Ax, Soul Anomaly and Byoto
@@SmolSachi小幸 Sorry for the lengthy recommendations I just want to let someone know about these I'd do it myself but I am shy and not used to making videos on TH-cam and I especially don't want to show my face
I also forgot Mirror War: Battle Royale. Also would you like to know where you can read them
yes please! Thanks!
Hey I don't judge you for reading your yuri on dynasty reader i'm a yuri fanatic myself
Letsgooo! a fellow yuri fan!!🔥
Excuse me but what exactly is the point of this video?
Oh cool! I checked out your page and you're from Saturday Am! If you watched the whole thing, I'd love to hear your thoughts [positive and negative].
@SmolSachi小幸 I am. Like someone else in your comments here said - Im not sure I understand why you are posting this video. I’m also a person that similar TH-camrs have accused of being a homophobe in videos like this. Just trying to understand your goals here. You have an anonymous profile, your 1st ever video is 30 min attacking us for caring about diversity? You’re then giving advice on our series success and I think it would be informative for people to know more about you and your professional qualifications to make such claims? The folks who are responding to this video have tried to join us - I’ve actually spoken to a few of them before and it’s telling that they are supporting this video when they have very little connection to us. All of this just seems awfully strange and a bit obsessive and as I said, I’m not sure what the point here is but to smear us and attract trolls. While you are anonymous the folks at Saturday AM and myself are not. You all seem very well aware of the damage you cause others but don’t seem to care. But, if you’re truly interested in opinions - reach out to me one on one and let’s do an interview. I’d love to understand what motivates someone to do something like this and I’d be happy to answer your questions as well. I’ll be waiting.
Hey, I appreciate your thoughts though tbh I do question if you watched my video first because it would answer your question. I will try to answer all your points in this comment to the best of my ability. 1, I am very pro diversity both in media consumption, creation, and values as shown in my video. 2, I don't know what your intent is by bringing up what other TH-camrs have falsely accused you of. I'm sorry you had to experience that, and I understand the stressful reaction that I might be similar but I have no connections to that. In my video I make clear I am not criticizing the various talents of Sat Am. 3, you can call what I say advice but I see it more of giving the perspective of a prospect consumer. I'm a reader of comics and I think its valuable information to know why someone in their target: a black bi manga reader might be put off by their branding. It's up to them to do with that information what they will. When I get comic criticism or support for my comics I do the same. Listening to others may help me improve or maybe it's worth sticking to my vision. Sat Am has the same choice. If you do not agree with my review I respect that. 4 I don't know the history of those responding to this video with Sat Am. I have no connection to the indie manga space other than looking for things to read. I'm an observer and don't know anyone personally. 5 it's not a smear. If stating my observations about what Sat Am does hurts its reputation than Sat Am needs to know this is how they are perceived and work to portray themselves differently for their own benefit because I'm not the only person who sees what I talk about in this video. Please correct me if my observations are based on misinformation. 6 weird to call a single video obsessive. I made this video to express my feelings and get discussion with others and TH-cam was the best option, so thank you for participating. 7 I talk about my motivations in my video. I'm responding because you're from Sat Am and I want to give your comment my respects but I would love for you to watch my video and address what I have to say because I addressed all of your questions by the end. If you'd like to do an interview I'm not against it? It might be fun and I think you'll realize I'm not out for anyone's neck, turns out I watched some of your vids not long ago haha. But also, I draw my own comics and have my own life so...time. And I'm not sure if your issue with me being anonymous is and want to interview me to get personal info to retaliate for criticizing the company you work for[not saying you are but I have to consider]. But none of my socials are hidden if again, you watch the video. If you'd like to have a casual chat about this all I'd be down! Why not? If we do I hope we'd both get a lot out of it.
@@SmolSachi小幸 You’re seemingly intelligent, and I can admire that in a person. It makes it feel less lonely sometimes when you can identify that in someone you’re talking to 😂. BUT, I do question how sincere you are in some of the things you say.
1) You say you’re not criticizing the various talents of Saturday AM, but in your video description, you say you’re “dissing” Saturday AM. What is a whole, if it is not comprised of its parts? The various talents of Saturday AM are Saturday AM. “I think the LA Lakers are a crap team, but I’m not criticizing the players on it.”
2) You have no connection to the indie manga space other than looking for things to read, you don’t know anyone personally, and it’s not a smear? Yet, you link another creator, “Tapir Clip”, in your video description. A creator who made an almost 2 hour video showing a clear disdain for Whyt Manga of Saturday AM. The thumbnail for the video alone seems more than just a “criticism”, it comes off as inflammatory. I think he even added flame effects around Whyt’s avatar 😂, and started the rant with a video of Whyt’s book being burnt 🤣. It seems rather….convenient….that you linked this person in your description. The so called “indie manga space” is not that big. Anyone who has an interest in it, to the point where they can make a video such as yours, I’m sure is connected…at least a little bit. We are all subject to the algorithm.
Also, the formula of “attack Saturday AM” to get views is not new. The reason I say “attack” is because it’s rarely constructive. I give constructive feedback, and reviews. Slander and criticism may both walk on two legs, and you can even try to call them by the same name, but that doesn’t mean they are the same person.
You’ve amassed quite a bit of attention, and subscribers for a debut video. Again, those who make videos such as yours against Saturday AM seem to get the most attention, and quickly. I’m not saying that is your intent…and I’m not even upset about it…but there are a lot of…convenient things happening here. 🤔
Clarifying info:1) The title in the description was the original title of the video and I changed it to fit something typical of TH-cam. I'm poking fun at the issues in the company and it reflects my frustration with the things I talk about. If anyone watched the details of the video, its clearly all about the business and brand and the only person I really am really harsh about is the CEO Frederick. It seems neither Jaackie Staar or anyone making assumptions have watched it and I get across my intentions better there. She didn't watch it and we are splitting hairs. Should people not be able to criticize a company simply because not all of its workers partake in the problems? Or should I retitle the video to something? Maybe I should retitle the video to "The Brand of Sat Am sucks" or something like that? But yeah saying I'm criticizing the whole team is like saying I'm criticizing everyone who works for Google when I criticize Google's and their higher ups tactics. I understand that me criticizing the company as a whole isn't good for Sat Am's other artist but I'm mostly talking about things their company could fix. Why should I keep my mouth closed? If for example, the way Fred talks to his former employees or markets his products gets a negative response, you can question my intent on pointing it out but maybe you should question his intent on doing it so people don't point it out publicly. My video is a representation about how a lot of people see the company but aren't saying, regardless if I made a video or not.
2) My connection to Tapir Clip: you're right! maybe I shouldn't have said I don't have any connections in the indie manga space because I didn't see it that way. I don't know Tapir Clip personally, and I felt there was an implication that I'm like close with people from the indie space or have a long history which I do not. But I do watch and read Tapir Clips content and his comics because they're entertaining and I do like his some of his insight on Sat Am. I don't know anyone on a personal level though. For years I was observing Sat AM I knew no one and found Tapir like a month or so ago. So I still think of myself that way.
That being said, many of the videos people criticize Sat Am don't take the company seriously or are honestly way more harsh and even anti diversity. So, I wanted there to be a video going over the turn offs to Sat Am that doesn't involve being anti-diversity and is straight forward. Because Saturday Am markets itself as the face of diversity and associates itself so strongly with diverse and black comics, and does some of the things it does in the video: it looks bad on not just their company but the social groups they claim to represent. When Fredrick Jones of Sat AM claims blacks will lose the integrity of their ethnic identity because of our favorite anime and therefore need Saturday AM "diverse" company only to make diversity look bad by mistreating creators, taking advantage of the lack of infrastructure in the OEL manga community, and misrepresenting the art his company is using to make money...I honestly think something needs to spark discussion and openness about what's going on. Some people might not like the style I did so but it clearly worked as we're all here talking about this publicly as everything I talked about was public information in the first place. Yeah, the point was to get views! I want people to see and discuss it. Should I have spoken about Saturday AM in a way where no one can see it? I get that people are antsy of my intentions because this is one video on a lone channel and surprisingly, it picked up steam despite being on a lone channel. If anything, that's the point. I could have actually put the video somewhere where I'd get more engagement on a personal level but I didn't because that wasn't my intent [yeah I threw my comics in there cuz lol why not? but if I already have an audience and have been doing my work long before Sat AM inspired me to make a video. You can lump me in with drama channels but time will show I'm not one of them. in 4 years everyone will have moved on. This video will exist. Discussion passed. On to other things]. I have no plans of becoming some large TH-cam content creator that churns out 10s of videos about Sat if that's what they fear even though I said in the video I was going back to my cave after this. Its simply what is it: a video on TH-cam. You don't need to be a TH-camr to make a TH-cam video. If I ever do, make more videos on here it won't be focused on Sat Am and it'd be rare anyways because I draw comics. And if this video helped boost me who cares? Why does my intent matter more than what I spoke about? Do you personally like Saturday AMs brand and operations? Thats the point of my video. It seems when people don't have any counter to the points people make, they need to focus on my intentions.
3) If people watched the entire video, I think I laid my intentions and thoughts out pretty straight forwardly. The only reason I'm doing a back and forth is because Jackie Star works for Sat Am and has dealt with harassment so I can understand why she might not want to get through the thing not knowing what I talk about. But its disingenuous to say she wants to know why I'd make the video and blatantly doesn't watch it.
You sound kinda biased. I dont know if you had some kind of beef with AM, (like not getting your manga accepted with the company) but it kind of comes across that way. Plus several things what you said isn't true
They do have free chapters to read on their website.
And they do seem like a very successful brand. Awards are an achievement. It shows that the books have a level of quality. And im willing to bet it's not easy to get an award for any author. Their manga books are in big retail chains, comic stores, etc. That's an achievement too.
I dont think it's cool to label them as small and unsuccessful just because they aren't big yet like shonen jump. They are only 10 years old. Isn't Shonen Jump like over 50 years old now? That's not a fair comparison
Instead of recommending videos from clowns like tapirclip who have stated they thrive on drama and hate content, do better. Actually research what your talking about before spewing out nonsense. Otherwise you just come across as a hater trying to get attention
Cool. I don't mind being biased. Though, I've never had any interest in publishing to Sat Am nor have I ever interacted with them personally. I don't think you've gotten through the whole video as I went over everything you mentioned and if you did, you'd realized I agree with you on several points like how there's nothing wrong with them not being as big as Shonen Jump and I show they have a few free chapters in my website overview. Anyways, thanks for leaving a comment! Helps my engagement
1) They have chapters to read for free but getting to them with a few clicks is hard when you have to go through the SatAM agenda first.
2) Successful brand is quite a misnomer, SatAM is definitely not successful because they have never, ever given sales numbers or any other statistics for their books, Fred doesn't even want to reveal that to his own artists.
3) Nothing much has changed in 10 years, sadly. I've been following them since 2017. 4 years after they created this 'movement' which is just pushing diversive mangas that not many people are interested in.
-Yes they managed to have their mangas in some bookstores 'worldwide' but the question is whether people buy it.
Remove Odunze Oguguo from SatAM and the whole company will go down. Because no one reads other SatAM comics than Apple Black or Clock Striker.
------>In the end, they are just thieves when they don't give some a portion of the money from SAIGAMI sales to the author Seny, who voluntarily left and they kept her Manga, and always try to cover her books on social media with stickers so no one can see Saigami books.
Um, why did you delete my comment?
I didn't delete any of your comments.
@SmolSachi小幸 Hey I'm sending you a DM on Instagram with what I posted. As it is possible that TH-cam blocked the comment even though I see no reason for them to have done so.
@SmolSachi小幸 I wanna know what is your opinion about artists on youtube, their fantasy worlds, stories, designs, and the way they sell and publish their work like Monstergarden, Matt Rhodes, Trent Kaniuga, Neytirix.