Hi Mr. Pete. Here in Northern Ontario it's (with the wind chill factor) -38 F. So we have you beat there. The first mill we bought decades ago was a used industrial quality mill/drill with a #30 taper. It only came with 3 arbors, and buying other arbors would have been enormously expensive (there was no used stuff locally). I found, however, the length of a # 30 is just within the travel of the compound of our #9A South Bend lathe! I very carefully turned a bunch of #30 adaptor blanks between centers so I could test them with bluing against the mill spindle, then (again) very carefully made a lathe spindle nose adaptor to the 30 taper so I could turn/thread/bore/whatever was wanted. As a newbie to machine tool work I was vastly proud of the success I had with this, and still am 40 years later!
Thank you Mr. Pete. Do you think there is a possibility of having a dedicated video for collet closers? It would be awfully nice to see them in action and compare the use techniqiue. There must be "please do not ever do this" with regards to collet closers as well.
Nice gifts/ trading items! Like you I really appreciate the extra care some of us use for shipping packaging! I received a 12" four jaw chuck with D1-8 mounting plate and pins attached shipped UPS in a coffee bean sack with twisted neck and tied with wire! Apparently somewhere along its journey the cobbled up, 1/2" particle board, disintegrated. Looks like they just swept it all into the sack, twisted and wired it closed. Luckily no damage was incurred and being sacked, neither were there any back injuries! Kind of heart breaking when you see them drag it to the back of truck and swing it on to the porch with a thud! Lol! Great video, and enjoy the spoils of having a great utube channel! 👍😎
Before mechanical chocks were mathematically defined, no standard for vibration and chock testing, one way was to pack the item, send it to a friend who sent i back. The vibrations, chocks, bangs etc were done by the post. Connecting electrical objects, or running mechanical items told the story. If the items worked they were considered as "well built".....
I'm somewhat deflated, sometime ago, I noticed you could buy Starrett Tools with or without a certificate of accuracy, traceable to the National Bureau of Standards. Never really knew why that was. I found out the other day that Starrett has manufacturing plants in the Chinese National Peoples Republic. Now it all makes sense. I remember when you purchased a new Starrett Tool, if it had any type of scale on it, it was accompanied with a certificate of accuracy. I noticed also that the ones without the certificate were significantly less expensive. I have yet to see any info from them that states country of origin of their product other than Athol, Mass.
I added a royal lever actuated collet closer to my clausing lathe which also has a fiberglass end cover. I bought it on eBay and modified it to fit. I just attached it to the fiberglass cover but put a large aluminum back plate inside the cover which I contoured to match the curve on the outside and inside of the cover to distribute the load-works great. For me it is easier to use the lever actuated closer than the screw on type (have both) as it easily mounts with one pin and tightening one Allen head screw on the spindle. The bigger problem is convincing myself to take the time to remove the chuck so I can use the collets. Laziness is always a problem🤷♂️😉.
Mr Pete, those larger 40 taper tools with the funny flange are cat 40 tools. The flange is to interface with the toolchanger of CNC machines. They are designed to be used with a pull stud rather than a threaded drawbar- though longer drawbars are available to use the holders (sans pull stud) in older NMTB40 machines. CNC machines have a special drawbar with retention balls similar to an air hose. The drawbar and tool are tensioned with a stack of Belleville washers, so at rest the drawbar is retracted in the spindle. An air or hydraulic cylinder simply pushes down on the end of the drawbar to release the tool.
I'm 70, semi-retired. I used the term "centigrade" at work and was promptly told "oh, you mean celcius, that's an old term" to which I replied "yeah and we've been talking about converting to the metric system since I was 7 years old."
@@larryschweitzer4904 The politicians were not the only ones that didn't want it......and f you like metric so much there are TONS of jobs in North Korea and China. Pack it up and go over there and you will never again have to remember that .1875 is three sixteenths or that an inch is actually 25.4000508 mm ....
Who needs a tool auction when your good friends send you such treasures? I hate unboxing as well but enjoyed seeing the belt, suspenders, and elastic waist system of packing, grin...
I so long for your famous exit line of: So long for now. ps. youtube is no longer putting the dates on videos, so if you would, add it in the description box. OK Mr Pete, So long for now.
Off Subject : This summer, will you get in some more casting projects?? If I ever get caught up,,want to ad casting to my learning skills, and you are a great teacher (@@)!
Lyle the 5C collet changer may work but I think you need the out board spindle locking adapter like the one on the Hardinage speed lathe you have. Its Splines edge keeps the collet from loosening or losing adjustment. Just what I need also for my Logan 11" . Hard to find but I think IVE a way to use another part
I do too. I also have a Karger horizontal mill (pre-WWII German) that has a morse style spindle with a drawbar, but also has a steeper taper cut at the very end, and threads on the outside. It just dawned on me that it might have had a similar double taper collet system too. The nut is missing, and there is zero information on these rare mills, but some of their lathes appear to have a similar taper/thread combination at the end of the spindle. I'll have to check to see if the Y or Z collets I have fit at all.
The lever operated collet closer is widely used and convenient but will handles a narrow range of workpiece diameters. If you pull the lever and it is too loss or too tight because this part differs from the previous one, you need to adjust it a little. The hand wheel style is adjusted every time you use it but is not nearly as convenient. The air operated collet closer just pulls with a constant force so it handles any practical size so it is nice on a manual lathe and necessary for an automated one. I use air collet closers on my manual Hardinge lathes for convenience and operator safety.
Mr. Pete!! I have one of those closures for my Clausing lathe but it didn't come with the adapter at all. Hard to find was wondering if you could tell me what the dimensions of that piece is so i can attempt to replicate it on the lathe etc... Any information would be sincerely appreciated!!! PS i am assuming its for 5C collets etc? Thanks again!!!!
Thx for sharing Lyle, nice Valentines gifted from other creators,,,Do you still remember the video I made over a year and an a half, asking if anyone could identify that weird collet that came with my SB 9c? I still get a chuckle ever time I see it,,,,You replied " Looks home made from a revolver six shooter",,,Got love memories :)> Nice alot of Goodies,,,Bear.
I think you are missing a part from the collet closer. There should be a castleated part that connects to the rear of the spindle and locks the the closer. .It may not be too long!
Hello Mrpete222 Glad you liked all the stuff I sent to you .. Tape is cheap but the stuff in the box is not and you need it to get there in one piece ..I have lots more tooling if some one needs anything ... Sorry but I live in Kettering , Ohio Tim Miller like your videos keep up the Great work ...I would have liked you for a shop Teacher ..
good day to everyone. love these videos because you can learn a lot. Mr. Pete do you have a resale shop i just got into machining, and i am looking for a steady rest for a south bend 6 inch i think, one for a atlas 618. i also have a 109, and i am not sure if there is a steady rest made for it. any info or help would be appreciated from you or your fans. thanks for all you do for us here, i have learned a lot about what these machines can do.
Having just got a lathe and tooling to suit i wondered what the pipe with hand wheel was knew it was something to do with the lathe but now i know its a collet draw bar
@@mrpete222 when you say adapter are you talking about the thread protector or drawbar? Or an adapter that fits into the spindle taper to accept a collet if so can you tell me what its called. Im sorry for having so many questions. Thank you.
@@2010bigfathen "irony" to what? Could it be , liberals who claim to be pro union who don't support the workers... unless it is workers causes that they liberals/Democrats/socialist support...don't worry Clarence your a good socialist/Democrat who tows the line well
@@mathewmolk2089 Matt... just watched a incredible video of a protest on the milk river on the Canada, Montana border... the police came to arrest them and the people linked arms recited the Lord's Prayer then, sang lean on me.... beautiful...and yes as your potato himself said on Christmas Eve... let's go Brandon!
@@mrpete222 ask the folks at Rumble if they would copy your videos there ( ask them to help you ) and have utube and Rumble also, the world needs more Mr.Pete this will give you a backup plan when this thing gets sideways we are loosing our freedom more and more everyday.
“The nice thing about Standards is that we have so many to choose from.”
Hi Mr. Pete. Here in Northern Ontario it's (with the wind chill factor) -38 F. So we have you beat there. The first mill we bought decades ago was a used industrial quality mill/drill with a #30 taper. It only came with 3 arbors, and buying other arbors would have been enormously expensive (there was no used stuff locally). I found, however, the length of a # 30 is just within the travel of the compound of our #9A South Bend lathe! I very carefully turned a bunch of #30 adaptor blanks between centers so I could test them with bluing against the mill spindle, then (again) very carefully made a lathe spindle nose adaptor to the 30 taper so I could turn/thread/bore/whatever was wanted. As a newbie to machine tool work I was vastly proud of the success I had with this, and still am 40 years later!
Great idea and accomplishment
Looking forward to seeing all those beautiful tools in action. Don’t worry I can wait till warmer weather.
Thank you Mr. Pete. Do you think there is a possibility of having a dedicated video for collet closers? It would be awfully nice to see them in action and compare the use techniqiue. There must be "please do not ever do this" with regards to collet closers as well.
Nice gifts/ trading items! Like you I really appreciate the extra care some of us use for shipping packaging! I received a 12" four jaw chuck with D1-8 mounting plate and pins attached shipped UPS in a coffee bean sack with twisted neck and tied with wire! Apparently somewhere along its journey the cobbled up, 1/2" particle board, disintegrated. Looks like they just swept it all into the sack, twisted and wired it closed. Luckily no damage was incurred and being sacked, neither were there any back injuries! Kind of heart breaking when you see them drag it to the back of truck and swing it on to the porch with a thud! Lol! Great video, and enjoy the spoils of having a great utube channel! 👍😎
😂
Before mechanical chocks were mathematically defined, no standard for vibration and chock testing, one way was to pack the item, send it to a friend who sent i back. The vibrations, chocks, bangs etc were done by the post. Connecting electrical objects, or running mechanical items told the story. If the items worked they were considered as "well built".....
I'm somewhat deflated, sometime ago, I noticed you could buy Starrett Tools with or without a certificate of accuracy, traceable to the National Bureau of Standards. Never really knew why that was. I found out the other day that Starrett has manufacturing plants in the Chinese National Peoples Republic. Now it all makes sense. I remember when you purchased a new Starrett Tool, if it had any type of scale on it, it was accompanied with a certificate of accuracy. I noticed also that the ones without the certificate were significantly less expensive. I have yet to see any info from them that states country of origin of their product other than Athol, Mass.
Sorry to hear that they have a plant in in Communist China
I added a royal lever actuated collet closer to my clausing lathe which also has a fiberglass end cover. I bought it on eBay and modified it to fit. I just attached it to the fiberglass cover but put a large aluminum back plate inside the cover which I contoured to match the curve on the outside and inside of the cover to distribute the load-works great. For me it is easier to use the lever actuated closer than the screw on type (have both) as it easily mounts with one pin and tightening one Allen head screw on the spindle. The bigger problem is convincing myself to take the time to remove the chuck so I can use the collets. Laziness is always a problem🤷♂️😉.
Yes, laziness. I am very hesitant to change Chucks. Even though it only takes a few minutes
Mr Pete, those larger 40 taper tools with the funny flange are cat 40 tools. The flange is to interface with the toolchanger of CNC machines. They are designed to be used with a pull stud rather than a threaded drawbar- though longer drawbars are available to use the holders (sans pull stud) in older NMTB40 machines. CNC machines have a special drawbar with retention balls similar to an air hose. The drawbar and tool are tensioned with a stack of Belleville washers, so at rest the drawbar is retracted in the spindle. An air or hydraulic cylinder simply pushes down on the end of the drawbar to release the tool.
Thanks 👍👍
Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed.👍👀
Always nice to receive a box of parts and not a box with a hole that used to contain parts.
Hello Brian. I have received my share of empty boxes, lol. And the postman is never embarrassed
Thanks for sharing 👍
I'm 70, semi-retired. I used the term "centigrade" at work and was promptly told "oh, you mean celcius, that's an old term" to which I replied "yeah and we've been talking about converting to the metric system since I was 7 years old."
lol
And it is a shame it wasn't done long ago. Some thought to it was put forward in the 1970s but the politicians got cold feet and wouldn't back it.
We have tooling here, if bought from Japan it is metric. If bought in the U.S., imperial.
@@larryschweitzer4904 The politicians were not the only ones that didn't want it......and f you like metric so much there are TONS of jobs in North Korea and China. Pack it up and go over there and you will never again have to remember that .1875 is three sixteenths or that an inch is actually 25.4000508 mm ....
@@mathewmolk2089 3/16 will always be .1875.
Mr Pete,
you received christmas a little early anyway there are some wonderful people out there and thank you for your video .
😀😀
thanks for the shout out Lyle....best wishes my friend, Paul
👍👍👍👍👍
I just did a video using the formulas you displayed in your gear cutting video. I gave you a big shout out! Thanks for the videos; they are great 👍🏻
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Learned alot about collets, never had seen this type...thanks....Paul
Thanks for the Watch-My-Colletts video Mr. Pete.😁
I enjoy your videos Mr. Pete. Thanks for going to the trouble.
Yep...we used to make some real stuff, including lathe chucks. Thanks for your time
Who needs a tool auction when your good friends send you such treasures? I hate unboxing as well but enjoyed seeing the belt, suspenders, and elastic waist system of packing, grin...
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Thanks Pete, + 4C here in sweden on the east coast.
Great video,
Have a great day
I so long for your famous exit line of: So long for now.
ps. youtube is no longer putting the dates on videos, so if you would, add it in the description box. OK Mr Pete, So long for now.
👍👍
Thanks for sharing like all the tools
That's a nice little Haul you got there Mr Pete.,😂
Off Subject : This summer, will you get in some more casting projects?? If I ever get caught up,,want to ad casting to my learning skills, and you are a great teacher (@@)!
Turn that thing you called an adapter (the arm) upside down and see if it will hit the bolt that is already in the machine?
Lyle the 5C collet changer may work but I think you need the out board spindle locking adapter like the one on the Hardinage speed lathe you have. Its Splines edge keeps the collet from loosening or losing adjustment. Just what I need also for my Logan 11" . Hard to find but I think IVE a way to use another part
Thanks
I've got a Rusnok vertical head that uses the Y collets, not easy to find them at hobbyist pricing..
I do too. I also have a Karger horizontal mill (pre-WWII German) that has a morse style spindle with a drawbar, but also has a steeper taper cut at the very end, and threads on the outside. It just dawned on me that it might have had a similar double taper collet system too. The nut is missing, and there is zero information on these rare mills, but some of their lathes appear to have a similar taper/thread combination at the end of the spindle. I'll have to check to see if the Y or Z collets I have fit at all.
The lever operated collet closer is widely used and convenient but will handles a narrow range of workpiece diameters. If you pull the lever and it is too loss or too tight because this part differs from the previous one, you need to adjust it a little. The hand wheel style is adjusted every time you use it but is not nearly as convenient. The air operated collet closer just pulls with a constant force so it handles any practical size so it is nice on a manual lathe and necessary for an automated one. I use air collet closers on my manual Hardinge lathes for convenience and operator safety.
Yes, you just said it correctly. A minor variation in the size requires an adjustment. That is a real pain in the neck
Mr. Pete!! I have one of those closures for my Clausing lathe but it didn't come with the adapter at all. Hard to find was wondering if you could tell me what the dimensions of that piece is so i can attempt to replicate it on the lathe etc... Any information would be sincerely appreciated!!! PS i am assuming its for 5C collets etc? Thanks again!!!!
Thx for sharing Lyle, nice Valentines gifted from other creators,,,Do you still remember the video I made over a year and an a half, asking if anyone could identify that weird collet that came with my SB 9c? I still get a chuckle ever time I see it,,,,You replied " Looks home made from a revolver six shooter",,,Got love memories :)> Nice alot of Goodies,,,Bear.
lol
I think you are missing a part from the collet closer. There should be a castleated part that connects to the rear of the spindle and locks the the closer. .It may not be too long!
Thanks Mr Pete
My Tree 2UVR mill takes the Z collets i have been looking to buy some of those but seam hard to find and pricy when found.
Very hard to find
Hello Mrpete222 Glad you liked all the stuff I sent to you .. Tape is cheap but the stuff in the box is not and you need it to get there in one piece ..I have lots more tooling if some one needs anything ... Sorry but I live in Kettering , Ohio Tim Miller like your videos keep up the Great work ...I would have liked you for a shop Teacher ..
Sorry I said Indiana
good day to everyone. love these videos because you can learn a lot. Mr. Pete do you have a resale shop i just got into machining, and i am looking for a steady rest for a south bend 6 inch i think, one for a atlas 618. i also have a 109, and i am not sure if there is a steady rest made for it. any info or help would be appreciated from you or your fans. thanks for all you do for us here, i have learned a lot about what these machines can do.
Do not
Having just got a lathe and tooling to suit i wondered what the pipe with hand wheel was knew it was something to do with the lathe but now i know its a collet draw bar
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I have that collet closer on my Clausing 5913. My gear cover is cast aluminum .
Thanks
I’ve got a hole set of those of those z collets I’m gonna sell as soon as I get this er collet chuck
I would be interested in your z collets.
R-8 collets maximum size is .750. 5C go to 1.00 with 1.125 diameter on special order. The 1.125 diameter does not go all the way through the collet.
The smaller collets with the straight section appear to be DA180.
17:11 I see that the letters relate to the hole capacity, but I don't understand the progression of the letters vs the hole sizes.
Thanks for the video.
I rediscovered your” what makes it work” series. Nice video’s about hoists. To all viewers, take a look.
Thanks
The Lyndex collet chuck actually uses a pull stud (instead of a draw bar) and is used on CNC, not manual machines.
Mr Pete would you have an extra 5c collet holder for a SB heavy 10 you would part with? I have the closer thanks
Sorry
@@mrpete222 thanks keep up the good work!!
Morning sir
Can you or anyone tell me what size or family of collets fit a heavy10 lathe its got the 1 3/8" through hole in the spindle.
5C, but you must have the adapter
@@mrpete222 when you say adapter are you talking about the thread protector or drawbar? Or an adapter that fits into the spindle taper to accept a collet if so can you tell me what its called. Im sorry for having so many questions. Thank you.
Stuff centigrade nice chuck made in England
More stuff than anyone could ever use, why not hold a massive yard auction and get rid of most of it. Save your family from the inconvenience later?
Hey why not take that cheap harbor freight lathe and tell us what you can make on it?
Only a few bucks depending on scrap prices.
Only a few bucks depending on scrap prices.
Love Canadian Freedom Truckers!!
The irony
@@2010bigfathen "irony" to what? Could it be , liberals who claim to be pro union who don't support the workers... unless it is workers causes that they liberals/Democrats/socialist support...don't worry Clarence your a good socialist/Democrat who tows the line well
@@chrischapel9165 Duty, Honor, Country and God. - Go Canada and most of all Go Brandon.
@@mathewmolk2089 Matt... just watched a incredible video of a protest on the milk river on the Canada, Montana border... the police came to arrest them and the people linked arms recited the Lord's Prayer then, sang lean on me.... beautiful...and yes as your potato himself said on Christmas Eve... let's go Brandon!
I thought you moved from TH-cam over to Rumble
Yep him and Keith Fenner, oh wait no they’re still here, they can’t leave the Google $.
I have a few videos on Rumble. Absolutely no one watches them
@@mrpete222 ask the folks at Rumble if they would copy your videos there ( ask them to help you ) and have utube and Rumble also, the world needs more Mr.Pete this will give you a backup plan when this thing gets sideways we are loosing our freedom more and more everyday.
Rumble is worthless...
@@tonypike5785 why fix something that’s not broken? It’s all our choice to be here.