This was another very interesting lecture, about which I was totally unaware. My major in university was Comparative Religions (today's Religious Studies). Unfortunately, I didn't have a course on Church History, until graduate school... and it was not mentioned. Thank you. I really appreciated this lecture, because I was totally unaware of this action taken by early church fathers against the Jews (and Judaism). It is really unfortunate that the teaching of Augustine was lost to later church theologians and officials. That said, however, I would like to point out a important fact. There is one topic which is universally misrepresented when talking about the history of the Church: Constantine the Great. In 313, Constantine I, shared the Empire with the then Eastern Emperor, Licinius. The Roman Empire for centuries had allowed the religions of their conquered territories to remain and be tolerated. In some cases, as Romans had a proclivity for adopting things about other cultures, some foreign gods were assumed into the Roman Pantheon. Then, after years of persecution of Christians, Constantine and Licinius promulgated The Edict of Milan, which declared all religions in the Empire were to be tolerated. Constantine, when he became sole Emperor, was generous toward Christianity, financing the building of many spectacular churches in the Empire. There was a significant impediment affronting his becoming a Christian, in that as the Pontifex Maximus, a Roman Emperor must publicly offer sacrifices to the Roman gods. Therefore, it is believed that he wasn't baptized until on his deathbed. This is why Church historians teach that it was not until Emperor Theodosius (379-395) that Christianity became the official religion of the Empire. Theodosius refused the title of Pontifex Maximus, supreme guardian of the Roman Cults, and in turn began the transformation of the Empire into a Christian domain.
When it comes to interfaith differences there's room for endless discussions. However, the whole humanity owes umpayable tribute to the Jews throughout all ages. Having being blessed with Jewish and Catholic forefathers I was raised with a dearest love for Jews. Modern days catholic doctrine, expressed in official doctrinal documents, praise the Jews and prays for interfaith closeness. Pope John Paul II called the Jews "Our eldest brothers in faith". Meaning that we, christians, are sort of newcommers in the faith in the only one God. It was after having formal education in Biblical Catholic Theology that I understood how much rooted is christianism in judaism and that the Jew's role in God's plan for salvation is far from over.
Thank you Dr. Abramson for highlighting the point of "what does it matter to you, what I want to call myself/identify with" If we in this society could only think like that there would be so much more peace. As always, love these overviews:-)
Since I'm teaching on this topic tomorrow, I offer this modest correction: Christianity became a religio licita under Constantine (Edict of Milan, 313). It became a state religion only at the end of the century under Theodosius. This quibble takes nothing away from a thoroughly engaging, accurate, and important presentation. I hope many watch your excellent exposition. Thank you!
R. Jonah and R. Yose went before Ursicinus, [the governor] in Antioch. When he saw them he stood up. They [his courtiers] said to him, “Why do you stand up for these Jews?” He said to them, “I see their faces in a vision when I go out to battle and [on account of that vision] I am victorious. Yerushalmi Berochot chapter 5 Theses are 4th century Amoroim. Pretty much sums it up, the Jews had a standing in Antioch but the clergy worked hard to diminish that .
its nice that st agustine had a more temperate attitude toward the jews since antisemetic views in the eastern byzantine orthodox church and the western papacy was so dangerously high its really sad that so much conflict between christians and jews with the jews being assulted by the church like a scapegoat any way thanks henry
Thank you so much for your teaching Professor Abramson. I am so sad that people cannot keep negative comments to themselves. I think your a wonderful individual..
St.John Chrysostom was of course addressing his flock as their Archpastor. He could do no less. So, obviously his sermon (s) wasn't for general public consumption, like all the things of the Orthodox Church. What is noteworthy is that, as you rightly pointed out, there seemed to be a thriving Jewish community in Antioch or Constantinople (I'm not sure which) that was freely and openly worshipping in the 3rd and early 4th century C.E.. To me, when I first comprehended it, this seems to fly in the face of the widely accepted historical narrative.
Very interesting info on Chrysostom. FYI the Lippi painting is proto-Renaissance. He was Botticelli's teacher, and an unwilling monk, who ran off with a nun. Vasari has a very entertaining description of Fra Lippi. His son Filippino Lippi was also a fine painter.
Another great video! I Agree 100% about those who may be confusing their fascination of cultural adaptation with inherited history. When the masks all fall away, the faces will still remain.
Patristic origins of Medieval antisemitism. Dr. Abramson is very helpful elucidating this. A few years back I came across a Christian writer, James Carroll'z book, Constantine's Sword: The Church and the Jews: A History. For much of its history, Christianity has been far more bigoted and antisemitic than Islam.
Wonderful lecture as usual Dr. Abramson, thank you so much! I was wondering if you might recommend a book about the development of early Christianity. This is one of my favorite periods of history (Late Second Temple - aftermath of the Bar Kochba Revolt) but I know very little about the development of early Christianity and especially it's relationship with early Judaism. There are scant references to the early Christians in the mishna and the gemara, I would love to have a historical framework within which to understand and view those statements. Any recommendations? Thanks again for the fabulous lectures! Just the right blend of academics, narrative and humor (well maybe a few more jokes would be in order ;-)
Thanks for the kind words. Lots more bibliographic info planned for the print version of these lectures, but I guess I would start with Schaefer, who is the most up to date. I also really enjoyed Parkes, Reuther, and the Jewish Annotated NT.
Although there are definitely exceptions to this rule, in a general sense, it seems Roman Catholicism has historically been less overtly anti-Semitic than Eastern Orthodox Christianity. (I say this as neither a Jew, a Catholic, or an Orthodox Christian. This is simply my third party, Protestant observation.) Augustine is certainly the intellectual godfather of Latin Christianity, just as Chrysostomos is the same to the Eastern Church. How interesting that the trajectories of two competing sects within the same faith tradition veered away from one another so sharply based on the ideas of one man. Also, on the topic of Christian involvement in Jewish practices in the 4th century, you might consider the fascinating NT concept of the "God-fearing Gentile." These were non-Jewish Greek and Roman citizens who were not converts to Judaism, but who were loosely attached to local synagogues and had some cognizance of the God of Israel. Cornelius, the first non-Jew baptized into the nascent Christian movement, was identified as one of these people. I’m sure the scholars behind the Jewish Annotated New Testament have some valuable insight into the subject.
Ladies and gentlemen, I advise you to read Church Fathers--they truely explain the Bible (Old Testament and New Testament). Roman Kolyuka, an Orthodox Christian from Russia.
hey henry abramson i left somemessages on your last recent video stay safe cause going through lockdown whilefacing loss isnt easy for me i hope for the best in days ahead HAPPY PURIM IN ADVANCE
Augustine although Hashem through him somehow a remnant survived. His intention ,was to answer the biggest difficulty the church faced ,how is it that from all the people the Jews ,who were considered intelligent, didn’t except their saviour . So he comes up with the witness theology.
What would be the general era when the Talmud addressed seven universal laws for non-Jews? Was this just a continuation of proselytizing converts and God-fearing Gentiles, prior to 70 C E.?
Thank you Dr. Hillel Abramson! I have studied the Christian Bible with many different churches! After many years of studying it, I came to the conclusion that the Christian Bibles were corrupt! I don't agree with what they are teaching! The King James Version is one of the worst! I finally found some book that I agree with! If you have time read, "Let's Get Biblical" By Rabbi Tovia Singer! Why Doesn't Judaism Accept the Christian Messiah? Totally agree with Rabbi Singer!!!
Gerald Warnken: you must read Septuagint--a translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) from ancient Hebrew to ancient Greek. The Orthodox Church consider Septuagint as an etalon of the Old Testament--because Hebrew text of the Old Testament (Tanakh) was corrupted during the Massoretic reform which was made in the first centuries AD.
The ideological cultural struggle between Esaw and Yaakov is in the past, reconciliation is the future: Gen 33:1-4 And Jacob lifted up his eyes, and looked, and, behold, Esau came, ... And Esau ran to meet him, and embraced him, and fell on his neck, and kissed him: and they wept.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD thinking about ideas of Augustine; some are on the right track but mark of Kain is wrong, not Biblical. The idea that i suggested previously i.e. that Jews in the past 2000 years are the "saweer azazel" that is scapegoat for the sins of the world is the correct Biblical explanation, see Day of Atonement in Lev 16:5, and the Esaw Yaakov story in Gen ch 27
It matters to them what you call yourself because they believe there's only one god and if they got it right that means you got it wrong (and they must fix you). You know, just like Jews did when they were the majority, like in that episode when a bunch of people (philistines? not sure right now) were forcibly circumcised. (I'm an atheist so it's all BS to me.)
Is it really that unfair of a characterization? You have videos about Talmudic rabbis obsessing about whether you can carry a bunch of sticks on the Sabbath, as long as you put a spoon under them first. At the same time St. Augustine was writing his confessions. P.S. For a normal person, claiming that Constantine made Christianity the state religion, or that the Council of Nicaea moved the Sabbath to Sunday, wouldn't be a big deal, but I expect better from a professional historian.
Sorry you're not enjoying the lectures. I have no idea what you're talking about with the sticks and spoons. Maybe switch to some cat videos for a while?
This was another very interesting lecture, about which I was totally unaware. My major in university was Comparative Religions (today's Religious Studies). Unfortunately, I didn't have a course on Church History, until graduate school... and it was not mentioned. Thank you.
I really appreciated this lecture, because I was totally unaware of this action taken by early church fathers against the Jews (and Judaism). It is really unfortunate that the teaching of Augustine was lost to later church theologians and officials.
That said, however, I would like to point out a important fact. There is one topic which is universally misrepresented when talking about the history of the Church: Constantine the Great. In 313, Constantine I, shared the Empire with the then Eastern Emperor, Licinius. The Roman Empire for centuries had allowed the religions of their conquered territories to remain and be tolerated. In some cases, as Romans had a proclivity for adopting things about other cultures, some foreign gods were assumed into the Roman Pantheon. Then, after years of persecution of Christians, Constantine and Licinius promulgated The Edict of Milan, which declared all religions in the Empire were to be tolerated. Constantine, when he became sole Emperor, was generous toward Christianity, financing the building of many spectacular churches in the Empire. There was a significant impediment affronting his becoming a Christian, in that as the Pontifex Maximus, a Roman Emperor must publicly offer sacrifices to the Roman gods. Therefore, it is believed that he wasn't baptized until on his deathbed. This is why Church historians teach that it was not until Emperor Theodosius (379-395) that Christianity became the official religion of the Empire. Theodosius refused the title of Pontifex Maximus, supreme guardian of the Roman Cults, and in turn began the transformation of the Empire into a Christian domain.
When it comes to interfaith differences there's room for endless discussions. However, the whole humanity owes umpayable tribute to the Jews throughout all ages. Having being blessed with Jewish and Catholic forefathers I was raised with a dearest love for Jews. Modern days catholic doctrine, expressed in official doctrinal documents, praise the Jews and prays for interfaith closeness. Pope John Paul II called the Jews "Our eldest brothers in faith". Meaning that we, christians, are sort of newcommers in the faith in the only one God. It was after having formal education in Biblical Catholic Theology that I understood how much rooted is christianism in judaism and that the Jew's role in God's plan for salvation is far from over.
Glad you found the lecture useful!
Such conviction. Thank you Humberto.
Thank you Dr. Abramson for highlighting the point of "what does it matter to you, what I want to call myself/identify with" If we in this society could only think like that there would be so much more peace. As always, love these overviews:-)
Thank you as always Melody H!
Since I'm teaching on this topic tomorrow, I offer this modest correction: Christianity became a religio licita under Constantine (Edict of Milan, 313). It became a state religion only at the end of the century under Theodosius. This quibble takes nothing away from a thoroughly engaging, accurate, and important presentation. I hope many watch your excellent exposition. Thank you!
"Payens" means pagans. Great lectures, by the way!
St. Augustine nailed it. Thank you, Dr. Abramson for the shedding lights on some spiritual issues that I need to know also.
Thank you.
Wow. Thanks again. This is some of the kind of stuff I have always wondered about.
Glad it was helpful!
The alligator line cracked me up. Love your work, Dr. Abramson!
R. Jonah and R. Yose went before Ursicinus, [the governor] in Antioch. When he saw them he stood up. They [his courtiers] said to him, “Why do you stand up for these Jews?”
He said to them, “I see their faces in a vision when I go out to battle and [on account of that vision] I am victorious.
Yerushalmi Berochot chapter 5
Theses are 4th century Amoroim.
Pretty much sums it up, the Jews had a standing in Antioch but the clergy worked hard to diminish that .
ty
its nice that st agustine had a more temperate attitude toward the jews since antisemetic views in the eastern byzantine orthodox church and the western papacy was so dangerously high its really sad that so much conflict between christians and jews with the jews being assulted by the church like a scapegoat any way thanks henry
You are welcome!
Thank you Dr Abramson .... lots of thoughts ... you wake me up!
Good morning!
Thank you so much for your teaching Professor Abramson. I am so sad that people cannot keep negative comments to themselves. I think your a wonderful individual..
Glad you appreciate the videos, Janice H.
Thank you Dr. Abramson for your answer.
Dr. Marcelo Menahem Weksler
No problem
Great lectures
Glad you like them!
Great Lecture.
Many thanks!
St.John Chrysostom was of course addressing his flock as their Archpastor. He could do no less. So, obviously his sermon (s) wasn't for general public consumption, like all the things of the Orthodox Church. What is noteworthy is that, as you rightly pointed out, there seemed to be a thriving Jewish community in Antioch or Constantinople (I'm not sure which) that was freely and openly worshipping in the 3rd and early 4th century C.E.. To me, when I first comprehended it, this seems to fly in the face of the widely accepted historical narrative.
Thanks for your comment!
Thank God for Augustine, sorry it's been such a sad relationship between the Abrahamic faiths. Thank you once again for a great lecture.
Very interesting info on Chrysostom. FYI the Lippi painting is proto-Renaissance. He was Botticelli's teacher, and an unwilling monk, who ran off with a nun. Vasari has a very entertaining description of Fra Lippi. His son Filippino Lippi was also a fine painter.
Fascinating!
Another great video! I Agree 100% about those who may be confusing their fascination of cultural adaptation with inherited history. When the masks all fall away, the faces will still remain.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@HenryAbramsonPhD Thank you Dr. Abramson. Keep up the great work!
Patristic origins of Medieval antisemitism. Dr. Abramson is very helpful elucidating this. A few years back I came across a Christian writer, James Carroll'z book, Constantine's Sword: The Church and the Jews: A History. For much of its history, Christianity has been far more bigoted and antisemitic than Islam.
This was very interesting, thank you
You're very welcome
Hi the word payen is French for Pagan.
Ah, of course! Thank you.
Wonderful lecture as usual Dr. Abramson, thank you so much! I was wondering if you might recommend a book about the development of early Christianity. This is one of my favorite periods of history (Late Second Temple - aftermath of the Bar Kochba Revolt) but I know very little about the development of early Christianity and especially it's relationship with early Judaism. There are scant references to the early Christians in the mishna and the gemara, I would love to have a historical framework within which to understand and view those statements. Any recommendations?
Thanks again for the fabulous lectures! Just the right blend of academics, narrative and humor (well maybe a few more jokes would be in order ;-)
Thanks for the kind words. Lots more bibliographic info planned for the print version of these lectures, but I guess I would start with Schaefer, who is the most up to date. I also really enjoyed Parkes, Reuther, and the Jewish Annotated NT.
Oh boy Hillel, you sure know how to pick em.
Ty?
Well said. Thank you.
Very welcome
Although there are definitely exceptions to this rule, in a general sense, it seems Roman Catholicism has historically been less overtly anti-Semitic than Eastern Orthodox Christianity. (I say this as neither a Jew, a Catholic, or an Orthodox Christian. This is simply my third party, Protestant observation.) Augustine is certainly the intellectual godfather of Latin Christianity, just as Chrysostomos is the same to the Eastern Church. How interesting that the trajectories of two competing sects within the same faith tradition veered away from one another so sharply based on the ideas of one man.
Also, on the topic of Christian involvement in Jewish practices in the 4th century, you might consider the fascinating NT concept of the "God-fearing Gentile." These were non-Jewish Greek and Roman citizens who were not converts to Judaism, but who were loosely attached to local synagogues and had some cognizance of the God of Israel. Cornelius, the first non-Jew baptized into the nascent Christian movement, was identified as one of these people. I’m sure the scholars behind the Jewish Annotated New Testament have some valuable insight into the subject.
Absolutely! Fascinating stuff.
The true God of Abraham bless his holy true servant John Chrysostomos . Amin ☦️
2:59 “Payens” … believers in paganism? I love these lectures. 💐
Ladies and gentlemen, I advise you to read Church Fathers--they truely explain the Bible (Old Testament and New Testament).
Roman Kolyuka, an Orthodox Christian from Russia.
hey henry abramson i left somemessages on your last recent video stay safe cause going through lockdown whilefacing loss isnt easy for me i hope for the best in days ahead HAPPY PURIM IN ADVANCE
Got it
i like the show
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reminder set 😉
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Augustine although Hashem through him somehow a remnant survived.
His intention ,was to answer the biggest difficulty the church faced ,how is it that from all the people the Jews ,who were considered intelligent, didn’t except their saviour .
So he comes up with the witness theology.
ty
Pagens?
Spelling?
My local synagogue is very friendly
What would be the general era when the Talmud addressed seven universal laws for non-Jews? Was this just a continuation of proselytizing converts and God-fearing Gentiles, prior to 70 C E.?
Why? The whole point of the 7 laws is that non-Jews are not required to become Jewish. General era would be roughly 3rd century CE.
Brilliant insight as always!
Glad you think so!
John Chrysostom called the Golden mouth
עפרא לפומיה
Correct
Thank you Dr. Hillel Abramson! I have studied the Christian Bible with many different churches! After many years of studying it, I came to the conclusion that the Christian Bibles were corrupt! I don't agree with what they are teaching! The King James Version is one of the worst! I finally found some book that I agree with! If you have time read, "Let's Get Biblical" By Rabbi Tovia Singer! Why Doesn't Judaism Accept the Christian Messiah? Totally agree with Rabbi Singer!!!
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Gerald Warnken: you must read Septuagint--a translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) from ancient Hebrew to ancient Greek. The Orthodox Church consider Septuagint as an etalon of the Old Testament--because Hebrew text of the Old Testament (Tanakh) was corrupted during the Massoretic reform which was made in the first centuries AD.
The ideological cultural struggle between Esaw and Yaakov is in the past, reconciliation is the future: Gen 33:1-4 And Jacob lifted up his eyes, and looked, and, behold, Esau came, ... And Esau ran to meet him, and embraced him, and fell on his neck, and kissed him: and they wept.
Thanks for the positivity!
@@HenryAbramsonPhD thinking about ideas of Augustine; some are on the right track but mark of Kain is wrong, not Biblical.
The idea that i suggested previously i.e. that Jews in the past 2000 years are the "saweer azazel" that is scapegoat for the sins of the world is the correct Biblical explanation, see Day of Atonement in Lev 16:5, and the Esaw Yaakov story in Gen ch 27
It matters to them what you call yourself because they believe there's only one god and if they got it right that means you got it wrong (and they must fix you).
You know, just like Jews did when they were the majority, like in that episode when a bunch of people (philistines? not sure right now) were forcibly circumcised.
(I'm an atheist so it's all BS to me.)
Is it really that unfair of a characterization? You have videos about Talmudic rabbis obsessing about whether you can carry a bunch of sticks on the Sabbath, as long as you put a spoon under them first. At the same time St. Augustine was writing his confessions.
P.S. For a normal person, claiming that Constantine made Christianity the state religion, or that the Council of Nicaea moved the Sabbath to Sunday, wouldn't be a big deal, but I expect better from a professional historian.
Sorry you're not enjoying the lectures. I have no idea what you're talking about with the sticks and spoons. Maybe switch to some cat videos for a while?
Men are not perfect this includes religion cultural
Payens are pagans.
TY