I was thinking this in my dreams ngl And it's yes its good I knew it cuz anni was tbh balanced Idk why people r saying its annoying Go run yourself yk what I mean Primeape is soo glassy that gets melted with fms And anni is like stuck with nuke which debuffs itself so not like go straight sb Its cc
I think a lesson to learn is if anything becomes meta relevant midseason, just hold off on building it or spending elites at least until you see the next season updates.
I know the move updates were already covered by other content creators but for some reason I just can't get into it unless it is HSH breaking it down to me.
Thanks for doing this deep dive! Love these changes. After the huge meta shakeup of last season, I am very happy to see that they've added some limited-meta-useful sidegrades and some new anti-meta threats vs shaking it all up again
watched this in the background while drawing so ty for giving me something to listen to! As for the changes, they're fine overall. Which is to be expected, I think the Rage Fist nerf is a slap in the face but generally nothing to good besides that. Bulldoze is scary though, cause Zygarde just needed a buff. Holiday cup being Little cup only though is an L, but Mega Masters being back is such a W.
I thought the Rage Fist change would be because of some upcoming change, like giving the move to another Pokemon and pre-emptively making sure it isn't broken... but only the Apes learn Fist in main series, so yeah just a weird oopsie-doopsie to change it so soon after release
haha 😂 i have a 2/13/15 purified bibarel just sitting in my storage, time to finally use it (I named it The Godfather, as it’s the father of god, bidoof)
I’ve been walking my hundo shado electivire for XLs for months, and still have a while to go. But hopefully this will make it a fun anti-meta pick whenever ML Premier comes back
Nerfing Rage Fist is absolutely atrocious... so many people (myself included) spent an elite TM on Primape to use it for just 1-2 weeks. Pathetic move from Niantic, as usual, Rage Fist didn't even have time to shine.
I got a rank 8 great league Mightyena. I know Mightyena isn't good, but I still enjoy playing with it once in a while. Seeing how all the elemental fangs got buffed, it made me really stocked, (since Mightyena can learn all of them). So even though I still predict to lose alot, I still want see how much better it becomes. Problem is now; which move should I use? (I might team it up with my Bibarel). Does anyone have any predictions on which Fang might work best for the new meta?
The problem with Rage Fist is that Primeape should not be able to beat Azumarle but it does, which means the move is broken. But speaking about nerfs, WHEN will they nerf Aura Wheel?? That move is stupid busted
Does anyone know how to input the buffed versions of moves on pvpoke? I looked up ive punch on the matrix, and I can't seem to find the buffed version. I want to see psycho cut medicham buff.
22:00 actually the sims r wrong kinda You should run thunderbolt over thunder like no reason to run thunder So in 0s you loose anyway vs feraligatr atm
I think the comparisons are not totally correct right? Because the win rate is compared to the old meta mons, while with this update the meta may shift.
Thank you for your work HomeSlice! Niantic should pay you a fee, because you make the fights interesting. Can I ask you a favour? If it is possible to insert a imagine of the Pokémon in the video, when you talk about it, because often the English name of the Pokémon isn't equal to my native language!
You can get to ace or veteran with just 4 or 3 star high attack Pokémon you like. As long as the all three have decent coverage, one heavy hitting, and one spam charge move on all three, you can and will move up pretty easy. Im 2519, mainly playing 2500 with a mix of perfect iv Pokémon. Its darn near impossible to cover every weakness with a 3 Pokémon team, so you will run into bad match ups and bad leads its just the game, but if you keep heavy hitting mons in mind you will win a lot more than you think even if you dont have good pvp ivs.
@elijones1007. A mix of like 10. My main line is 2500, and it's Groudon with p blades and fire punch, Dialga with iron head and roar of time, and Kommo-o with close combat and brick break, but i swap in a few different ones like Lugia, darkria, Goodra, or Blaziken to name a few. I just focus on pokemon I like that have a good fast charge move, and a nuke move and build around it. My first lineup with Kommo-o, Dialga, and Groudon doesn't have a lot of weaknesses and a decent chunk of resistances. Again no team can be perfect for coverage both offense and defense wise, with only 3 mons. My 1500 team is kind of all over the place with what I want to try with mixed results, and my 500 team has a decent win rate with just shadow Nidoking, shadow Whiscash, and shadow Jumpluff. The 500 team is more about fast moves hammering them down quickly and less about the charge moves.
I just got to the master league implications of ice fang section and I'm hoping to hear galarian Darmanitan as i have had a level 51 for ages but it is so terrible in ML 🤣 I still unfortunately don't have many ML mons, yet I have a BB hundo level fiddy snowman.
Indirect nerf with thunder shock, thunder punch, thunder fang buffs. I agree though. I think the best way to do would be nerf ice beam. Hit azu at the same time
Next time pls just show us the list of the changes before diving deep into everything. I personally dont enjoy knowing everything about the meta before it even comes out and just feeling stuff on my own
Sick and tired of nerfs, buffs and all this garbage. GBL needs to switch to all equal base damage, ditch the energy charge system by using a count down timer system on the "charged" attacks. For balance purposes make the timer increase by 1 to 3 seconds each time their used to stop spamming. This clock affects both "charged" attacks for any given Pokemon. And yes, stronger nuke moves and status effect moves have a longer cool down timer. The meta can be destroyed completely by using random locked in picks as you rise up in rank. Example: ranks 1-5 player picks all 3, ranks 6-10; 1 random lock in pick, ranks 11- 15; 2 auto picks, 16- 20 full team random you are shown. 21 and higher, full blind auto picks. No more meta reliance, prove your skills. Yes all selected random picks will be at cup cp level.
One thing I've noticed after returning from a loooong break is that they've given way too many coverage moves to pretty much every pokemon there is. A Thunder Punch Typhlosion can practically spam every water Pokemon to oblivion, which I hate. It used to be much better when you were forced to switch if matched with a perfect counter. That's probably the reason why the meta is so boring right now, you should only pick pokemon with the highest number of resistances and lots of bulkiness since there are no hard counters any longer.
Honestly, feraligatr should have been nerfed directly. Way too strong and people are forced to use it. It’s the most used Pokémon in great and ultra league. If u want a diverse meta, u need to kill it
Niantic just removed the rage fist nerf from the blog post just now 👀👀👀
Maybe ape won't be nerfed after all!
just saw this!
No way!?
I was thinking this in my dreams ngl
And it's yes its good
I knew it cuz anni was tbh balanced
Idk why people r saying its annoying
Go run yourself yk what I mean
Primeape is soo glassy that gets melted with fms
And anni is like stuck with nuke which debuffs itself so not like go straight sb
Its cc
Now this update is good to go! So glad rage fist may not be nerfed, keeping fingers crossed!
@@Lucky69Kfacts i run it and hes glassy but strong. Weak to flying psychic and fairy which are all common
I think a lesson to learn is if anything becomes meta relevant midseason, just hold off on building it or spending elites at least until you see the next season updates.
Another season when Torterra gets ignored. 🙄
There are many Pokémon Niantic doesn’t care about like idk 50% of them or more 😂😂
And milotic too 😢😢😢
I wanted milotic to get icy wind so bad
@@gerardorobainajorge4971 Co-sign.
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I was wondering why you were taking so long bro but it all makes sense now you really went IN
I know the move updates were already covered by other content creators but for some reason I just can't get into it unless it is HSH breaking it down to me.
So I invested 2 TM's in rank 1 Primeape and Annihilape for 2 weeks of relevance? Sick
You aren't alone
Send niantic a package in the mail
Thanks for doing this deep dive! Love these changes. After the huge meta shakeup of last season, I am very happy to see that they've added some limited-meta-useful sidegrades and some new anti-meta threats vs shaking it all up again
I was about to use an elite fast move tm on Primape today and then I saw the notification for this video. Definitely helped me save that tm.
The sunday i catched a shadow Bidoof and i think "naah this mon is so useless *transfer". Life is a continuous pain
watched this in the background while drawing so ty for giving me something to listen to!
As for the changes, they're fine overall. Which is to be expected, I think the Rage Fist nerf is a slap in the face but generally nothing to good besides that. Bulldoze is scary though, cause Zygarde just needed a buff.
Holiday cup being Little cup only though is an L, but Mega Masters being back is such a W.
I thought the Rage Fist change would be because of some upcoming change, like giving the move to another Pokemon and pre-emptively making sure it isn't broken... but only the Apes learn Fist in main series, so yeah just a weird oopsie-doopsie to change it so soon after release
The IVs for the Drapion are different. Have to keep IVs the same when comparing
Rage fist update is so painful. Almost as painful as breaking swipe 😫
The fang (fast) moves got buffed PROBABLY because of the Tao Trio (and Kyurem-Black/White)
40 minutes of Henry 😩
Finally, it's time for my shundo bibarel (I name it The One) to make a debut after a long time sitting in a gym.
haha 😂 i have a 2/13/15 purified bibarel just sitting in my storage, time to finally use it (I named it The Godfather, as it’s the father of god, bidoof)
@Norniclepvppokemongo it is The Godfather, purified from the dark side😆
@ lol 🤣
I’ve been walking my hundo shado electivire for XLs for months, and still have a while to go. But hopefully this will make it a fun anti-meta pick whenever ML Premier comes back
Thanks for your advice, got my rank 39 purified bibarel ready to go
Maybe celesteela will get more play with the bulldoze rework
Probably copium, but I like the way you think 🤣
Got a little bamboozled watching the live stream earlier, I figured I'd have to wait till tomorrow for this but LFG
Course we made it this far mate, the info is concise and understandable.
My PvP viable Shiny Bibarel is about to go off.
How do you make custom moves in pvpoke? How would ice fang Zamazenta do in the ultra league?
With Fire Fang buff maybe Arcanine is playable now? Love that pokemon and it needs to be in the meta
Electervire gets buffed thundershock and ice punch. Any good in ML or MLP?
Nerfing Rage Fist is absolutely atrocious... so many people (myself included) spent an elite TM on Primape to use it for just 1-2 weeks. Pathetic move from Niantic, as usual, Rage Fist didn't even have time to shine.
Its not nerfed it got removed by niantic
Electivire gonna feast this season
Time to use my underrated shadow mightyena 👀
Dude same
I'd love to know if bulldoze does anything for vig after they took him out back and shot him last season
my dream came true? maybe arcanine will have a decent fire move fast attack
I got a rank 8 great league Mightyena. I know Mightyena isn't good, but I still enjoy playing with it once in a while. Seeing how all the elemental fangs got buffed, it made me really stocked, (since Mightyena can learn all of them). So even though I still predict to lose alot, I still want see how much better it becomes. Problem is now; which move should I use? (I might team it up with my Bibarel). Does anyone have any predictions on which Fang might work best for the new meta?
I'm looking at the move updates now and see nothing about a rage fist nerf. Where does it say that?
It was on the blog for the first day but then got removed. Likely they added it by mistake or saw the immediate backlash and walked back on the nerf.
Hisuian Electrode baby!! Grass+Electric coverage
Baked some cookies while listening. This new season should be a fun shake up 😁
The problem with Rage Fist is that Primeape should not be able to beat Azumarle but it does, which means the move is broken. But speaking about nerfs, WHEN will they nerf Aura Wheel?? That move is stupid busted
I’m guessing starmie won’t see any play with its move updates?
The punch buff was super needed
Does anyone know how to input the buffed versions of moves on pvpoke? I looked up ive punch on the matrix, and I can't seem to find the buffed version. I want to see psycho cut medicham buff.
22:00 actually the sims r wrong kinda
You should run thunderbolt over thunder like no reason to run thunder
So in 0s you loose anyway vs feraligatr atm
How does the buff to Fire Punch help out Groudon, if at all? And the same with Ursaluna and Ice Punch?
Hooray for a single Electric type being allowed to exist again
Meanwhile, Grass:
I think the comparisons are not totally correct right? Because the win rate is compared to the old meta mons, while with this update the meta may shift.
Henry, I’m never making it to Legend if the meta changes this fast 😢
My shadow electivire is gonna be fucking eating this season with thundershock ice punch buffs
Samee , I've 14/15/14 Shadow Elictrivire
15:07 i was same but niantic reverted the change so i hope its true no change cuz tbh rage fist monkeys are not broken
Thank you for your work HomeSlice! Niantic should pay you a fee, because you make the fights interesting.
Can I ask you a favour? If it is possible to insert a imagine of the Pokémon in the video, when you talk about it, because often the English name of the Pokémon isn't equal to my native language!
You can get to ace or veteran with just 4 or 3 star high attack Pokémon you like. As long as the all three have decent coverage, one heavy hitting, and one spam charge move on all three, you can and will move up pretty easy. Im 2519, mainly playing 2500 with a mix of perfect iv Pokémon. Its darn near impossible to cover every weakness with a 3 Pokémon team, so you will run into bad match ups and bad leads its just the game, but if you keep heavy hitting mons in mind you will win a lot more than you think even if you dont have good pvp ivs.
What team you use?
@elijones1007. A mix of like 10. My main line is 2500, and it's Groudon with p blades and fire punch, Dialga with iron head and roar of time, and Kommo-o with close combat and brick break, but i swap in a few different ones like Lugia, darkria, Goodra, or Blaziken to name a few. I just focus on pokemon I like that have a good fast charge move, and a nuke move and build around it. My first lineup with Kommo-o, Dialga, and Groudon doesn't have a lot of weaknesses and a decent chunk of resistances. Again no team can be perfect for coverage both offense and defense wise, with only 3 mons. My 1500 team is kind of all over the place with what I want to try with mixed results, and my 500 team has a decent win rate with just shadow Nidoking, shadow Whiscash, and shadow Jumpluff. The 500 team is more about fast moves hammering them down quickly and less about the charge moves.
thundershock S.Zapdos?
Just finished maxing my hundo zamazenta and about to max my hundo baxi this is nice
how did he make a 40 minute video on like 5 changes
No shadowclaw buff? 😢
Why lol
@@maganhassan2627why not make a great move even better?
Super saiyan feraligatr... Nice
Does this mean the legacy Starmie is returning with Surf? Let it be so Henry 🙏
where’s the aura wheel nerf
Niantic does NOT nerf moves that just got added
@@xKachirage fist getting nerfed wym
@@torn5203 read the pinned comment :/
The meta is a nerf or have u lost an unrealistic amount of games to pikachu-on-crack-teams?
@ yes
No love for arcanine ey. Fire fang buff and skipped right over him. Salamence as well.
Some love for Stoutland 😅
Milotic shud get more ice move, it is tanky but the moves are limited
You'll have to make a different starmie though.
🐐 breakdown
Yea man way to spread the positivity
Did you not cover Salamance with fire fang??
I did sim it after the fact, it would really need +2 fire fang in my view
@ thanks for the reply! Fingers crossed 😂 be sick to see some Salamance use, he’s just sadly overshadowed by the other dragons in the game
Sorry for another comment but yeah the pvpoke info is just confusing till we see it in action
took me a while to understand it
Is my built shadow bibarrel useless? :(
Was the rage fist nerf targeting prime or Annihilape? If it was for Prime, which I assume, just nerf karate chop.
Niantic should nerf karate chop directly
"right off the bat" counter in the bottom corner please. :P
No Electivire? 😢
Great video, Henry. appreciate it
All hail lord bidoof(bibarael)
focus blast draglage isn't really helpful, and rollout bibarel gonna smack. Draglage has aqua tail, and gunk shot alr.
They all said Bibarel would never be good. Guess who’s laughing now.
Let’s Go!!!!
thunder punch for pawmot I want it to be good haha
Shadow Zos hype baby
I really hope the Fangs just get +1 energy, because MORE Counter clones sounds like a horrible idea
Edit: Pre-nerf Counter/current Sucker Punch, my b
My rank 1 GL bibarrel will be worth something!
What about ice fang Zamazenta?
I go over it in the video! It's an improvement
@HomeSliceHenry oh snap! I just picked up the Zacian part... thanks! Would adding chapters to the videos be too much? Lol, or am I being too lazy?
zamazenta and avalugg in master league
Baxcalibur hype!
Im actually happy about the new changes sucks for both apes but hey its whatever tbf
Feels good for us who never went ape
Zygarde really didn’t need a buff, it’s annoying enough as it is
Hey man, have always loved the vids, but you were made for this, love these vids, thanks for teaching like no one has done before
Welp, primeape is UNUSABLE now.
Another season shi*ing on Lugia, they it so much.
Destroy my Annihilape again? Im quiting this game. 😭
Check pinned! That change vanished from the blog post like 10ish minutes ago 👀
Yeetyeet
Bruh any buff to Zygarde is so unnecessary
No Rillaboom? Uncultured video.
Why would he have Rillaboom here
Same why on urff rilaboom
Maybe for comm day?
It needs a fast move
I just got to the master league implications of ice fang section and I'm hoping to hear galarian Darmanitan as i have had a level 51 for ages but it is so terrible in ML 🤣
I still unfortunately don't have many ML mons, yet I have a BB hundo level fiddy snowman.
Oh God! Another season with cloud and azu running around everywhere😢🤢
Too bad for annihilape
Stream gang!
cooment for algo
Let's go
Where is the feraligator nerf looks like another season seeing nothing but clod feraligator and dunsparce
Move updates shit this season
Not nerfing faralagatr is atrocious
Indirect nerf with thunder shock, thunder punch, thunder fang buffs.
I agree though. I think the best way to do would be nerf ice beam. Hit azu at the same time
❤
Next time pls just show us the list of the changes before diving deep into everything. I personally dont enjoy knowing everything about the meta before it even comes out and just feeling stuff on my own
You're capable of doing that on your own, this isn't exclusive info Henry is reporting, the changes are all on the Niantic website.
Sick and tired of nerfs, buffs and all this garbage. GBL needs to switch to all equal base damage, ditch the energy charge system by using a count down timer system on the "charged" attacks. For balance purposes make the timer increase by 1 to 3 seconds each time their used to stop spamming. This clock affects both "charged" attacks for any given Pokemon. And yes, stronger nuke moves and status effect moves have a longer cool down timer.
The meta can be destroyed completely by using random locked in picks as you rise up in rank. Example: ranks 1-5 player picks all 3, ranks 6-10; 1 random lock in pick, ranks 11- 15; 2 auto picks, 16- 20 full team random you are shown. 21 and higher, full blind auto picks. No more meta reliance, prove your skills. Yes all selected random picks will be at cup cp level.
One thing I've noticed after returning from a loooong break is that they've given way too many coverage moves to pretty much every pokemon there is. A Thunder Punch Typhlosion can practically spam every water Pokemon to oblivion, which I hate. It used to be much better when you were forced to switch if matched with a perfect counter. That's probably the reason why the meta is so boring right now, you should only pick pokemon with the highest number of resistances and lots of bulkiness since there are no hard counters any longer.
Morpeko Gang, we eatin.
Honestly, feraligatr should have been nerfed directly. Way too strong and people are forced to use it. It’s the most used Pokémon in great and ultra league. If u want a diverse meta, u need to kill it