I love how they didn't do a cop out and have Buffy being super unbothered and supportive. How uncomfortable she gets while still wanting to be cool is such a spot on reaction.
Yeah. Like would coming out to someone and them be perfectly supportive be nice? Ya it would! But its 2021 and most people still dont have that. None of my friends were necessarily mean or rude when i came out to them but they definitely responded similarly to buffy in the sense that they werent expecting it and were confused. One of them had some questions lol but they were all okay with it. Buffys reaction is very realistic of someone who is neither a massive ally or a raging phobe.
@@trollingmermaids Exactly. She's someone put in a situation she never expected to be put in and so it's messy, confusing but at the end of the day well intended.
You can tell she’s in shock and caught off guard when when willow senses this Buffy becomes composed and firmly reassured her that they are still friends no matter what
@Logia dude she is a great friend! Their best friends their always there for each other. Willow is also a witch. She has powers. She can handle herself. To say Buffy is basically a bad friend for having friends is fucking horrible. She deserves to have friends like everyone else.
What I like about this scene is it isn't treated dramatically. There is no dramatic music, no cut to an ad-break. Just a friend telling another friend about her newfound feelings. And it is dealt with perfectly.
@@jordanwilliams9300 No, it was Giles. He was drunk. Spike wasn’t even present during this scene, and besides, Spike already knew Willow was gay, so he wouldn’t have been as surprised.
@@RainbowPawPrint considering earlier scenes had very gay subtext around Giles with Tara and Willow, even including the scene that tipped Spike off it would make sense if he had realised or Willow told him due to their close relationship. Also speaking as a British person myself Bloody Hell is used more in annoyance then surprise.
I'll never forget this scene. I was a kid then and it shocked me a lot to see how normal it was how it happened to a character I already knew. Not stereotyped at all. Buffy was just as surprised as we all were. It was like super natural, super real. And I remember how it changed the image I had about gay people (like if they were "different" or "weird" or whatever...). It was Willow, Buffy's best friend, a character full of personality... only that now she was feeling this, which didn't change her other qualities at all... Years later, when I was 19, one of my two best friends came out to me (she had a relationship with a girl which didn't tell us about for a long time). I was shocked at the beginning, but then occurred the same: She was still the person I knew, with all her characteristics. There was only one thing about her that I didn't knew and now I did. It didn't change anything... Only that now she could be honest and speak frankly about her feelings as we, the other 2 girls, used to do with the boys we were with or we liked... I think this scene had a lot to do with the way I started opening my mind those years...
I see somebody got to commenting this first, but I still have to add that I found the story beautiful also. Thank you for sharing it with us, and for being a good friend/human.
I remember as a kid not understanding the coming out scene, I thought they were just surprised because they hadn't seen the chemistry, and hasn't realised that gayness was an important factor here. I'd just accepted Willow and Tara because their story felt very natural and I didn't even question it. Then I realised the oppression gay people face, and now these scenes hit correctly. I'm glad they did this. I'm glad Joss Whedon fought for their relationship.
To be fair, Willow stood by Buffy dating the undead vampire Angel, lol. Another reason to love this show - their friendship (most of the time) was always first.
This scene is so spot on that when I came out to my friends and experienced this exact reaction, I didn’t take it negatively I was like “ok I’ve seen this before on Buffy - just because they seem uncomfortable doesn’t mean they’re homophobic. They’re surprised, they’re nervous about saying the wrong thing and that’s where the awkwardness is coming from” This scene made coming out much less scary for me and I appreciate that
Buffy’s shock seems to be more from how this is her best friend she’s known for years, faced unnumbered dangers with, who is essentially her sister, announcing something like this blindsided her and threw her for a loop. I would have the same reaction if my best friend came out to me.
I too have always loved this scene. Agree re AH. SMG also plays it beautifully. She's freaked out at first, but then at 2:15, her expression changes as if to say "this is my best friend, I'm being a jerk." Really well done.
I like Buffy's reaction. It makes sense for the time and then once she's called out she realizes, Willow is her friend and needs her. She recovers smoothly.
I like how they didn’t make Buffy and Xander disgusted but just shocked which is an expected reaction and they took it in a good direction of them excepting it. That’s why I think this show was written well.
genuinely one of my favorite coming out scenes on tv to this day. the way buffy is genuinely taken aback because she never expected to be put in this situation but pulls it together to be supportive when she sees that willow’s nervous is so sweet and pretty realistic tbh
I miss seeing Willow and Oz together, but I'm glad she's got Tara. I just wished that Willow would be honest with Oz about her feelings for Tara instead of lying to him about it.
I don't think she was lying to him about it. I think she was still realizing and grappling with those feelings herself, and Oz showing up again threw everything into stark contrast and allowed her to see what her feelings for Tara actually were.
It's the exact same interaction and the difference between them though both generally positive, could not be any bigger. One scene could make you cry it's so real and the other busts your got because we all know that's real too! This show cracked the code man. They cant make them like this anymore, and when they do every once and a while it's just amazing.
Actually, they were leaning towards making Xander gay and Tara was originally just gonna be a friend, but the on-set chemistry between Alyson Hannigan and Amber Benson was so good that they went with Willow instead.
This is unrelated but it reminds me of that one scene in season 7 where some female character can't remember her name asked "Is there anyone here who hasn't slept with each other" and Xander and Spike annoyingly glanced at each other.
@@runnerbean6166 I think it was probably decided early on in S4s development as according to James Marsters, Anya was cemented as a regular when they realised Spike really didn't work all that well as "Cordelia replacement" (someone to play the bitchy "you suck, Buffy!" role) due to being a vampire and needing him to run into most scenes under a blanket on fire. I think that and Seth Green's desire to leave the show mid-season cemented Willow as the gay scooby member.
I remember reading that they went with Willow because Seth Green (Oz) was eager to go off and pursue a film career, giving them the perfect opportunity to have Willow get a girlfriend
@@eslwgpg1226 i would say humour is subjective in my opninion (not fact however). As someone who is gay as has seen many different reactions to people coming out, it was rather relatable hence i probably found it when it wasnt meant to be based upon the severity and seriousness in the nature of the topic they are discussing. more than anything i am grateful that buffy opened up spaces for people to discuss such topics- and for it to find a place on mainstream tv in the early 00s.
While I liked the Willow/Tara relationship, I've always been torn about it because of Oz and Xander. Are we expected to believe that Willow didn't care for Oz? People always act like Willow is a lesbian, but she is clearly bi. She previously loved BOTH Oz and had a crush on Xander yet those elements of the story get ignored in later seasons.
100% agree. I really hated all the “I’m gay now” remarks/jokes we get season 4 and onwards because that’s not at all how sexual orientation works. Like it would have been fine if they wanted Willow to be in denial about being gay in the earlier seasons, but we would have needed to see that progression on screen and had a conversation about how she feels stronger for Tara than she did for Oz/Xander, because it really made it seem like they just flipped a switch in Willow and pretended like she hadn’t solely been interested in men for 3-4 seasons.
@@jadethirlwall1573 Unfortunately, it was difficult enough to sell gay as anything more than a stereotype back then, so making Willow actually bi would've been a step too far. Which is unfortunate, because, yes, Willow is either bi or pansexual.
It’s probably because since being straight is considered the “default” sexuality, most gay people mistake their feelings towards other people to be romantic. Willow and Xander are childhood best friends, and they had a pretty close relationship so you can see how that could happen. when they realize that they’re gay, they fully go that rout. Hope that makes sense.
@@nikaxaiauri5169 yeah but that wouldn’t explain her relationship with Oz. I’m not saying it’s not possible for Willow to have been in denial, I just don’t think the writers executed that properly. They made it seem like because she’s dating Tara, she’s automatically gay, which isn’t necessarily true, esp considering her previous relationships with Xander and Oz.
It irked me as well (and I've personally always considered her either bisexual or pansexual), but I also understand why they did it this way. Being gay was already a hard enough thing for people to accept (and it still is to this day), I don't think the writers were prepared/informed enough to go down the bisexual or pansexual route. I think it was just easier for them to label her as gay. I think if this storyline had had more planning behind it, then they would've changed the way they wrote her relationships with Xander and Oz and this would've made more sense.
You know what, as a person who came out to multiple people, I have to say that this is the most common reaction.. that's a good job on choosing how to do this scene 👏👏. Ps. Oh I love this so much 😂😍
Meanwhile in Alternate Universe Oz never went to tibet and instead stays in sunnydale,xander came out as gay and went dating someone else,anya ended up got killed by warren and xander went very pissed off and became warlock just to kill warren,Tara ended up dating buffy and became an couple
It always kind of annoyed me that she told Buffy but didn't actually ever tell Xander. She knew Xander since they were children, she could trust him with anything. He only just found out by the arguing. Would WIllow have EVER told him? Or would he just see them kissing one day. XD
I love that Buffy was shook. That was real. It’s going to take you a minute to digest that.. Then she went straight to supportive. And remember, this was the 90s.
I love how the show handled Willow falling for Tara. There was no big panic scene, no moment of Willow running off to "figure things out". She accepted it completely. She fell in love with a woman and didn't blink. Everyone else seemed more shocked about it than Willow was. Tara was her soul mate. Simple as that. Such a revolutionary show.
I remember watching this episode when it premiered, and the candle scene between Willow and Tara spoke to my (yet to be discovered) real gay self. Sadly my coming out was still *years* away 😶🌫
Dr. Amy Fowler Fueler Cooper, you hired Buffy and Willow to use a heart attack laser gun on a 3 day old kitten, after my roomate froze the first kitten in the freezer! What will do for the 3rd, bring Tom Cruise? Seriously, get a grip. These animals are not a threat. Why did you use freeze laser to freeze my cat's womb sacs.
As a queer woman growing up in the 2000s, I can't tell you how much the character of Willow means to me. I think people forget what this time was like for people in the LGBTQ+ community in this time; we were more widely accepted than we were in decades prior, but not taken quite as seriously. Queer men were played up as the butt of the joke while queer women were hypersexualized. Willow was the first out lesbian character I saw on TV who WASN'T defined by her sexuality and that was so refreshing for me, as a questioning 13-year-old.
You have to be honest or its gonna get allot worse " That is such a powerful and important message Lying will give you 5 minuets of peace and years of anger and fights. Being honest will hurt someone for a day or two weeks but they will get back to you ,because you told them the trutht and you were honest.
I had a coworker come out as bi a few months ago. A little startled due to its suddenness. Shrugged it off and said “I don’t judge”. Kept a civil conversation with him. Had no different opinion of him either. A competent individual who is willing to help. It’s not the end of the world people.
they had so many choices n directions for his part ... Willow leaves both and they all are sad ... she picks one and one of them are sad ... keeps both and they all are happy ... as for Buffy ... sure she is uncomfortable but then she didnt even have an inkling willow was bi so she didnt have to process that fully but from the very mention of it she was supportive no matter what willow chose .. showing she was her friend because of who she was not who or what she could do ...
Scream Queen 👑 However This episode I like, A lot actually. Because when Evan told me that he was gay (well he's Bisexual actually) My friends were very supportive because they actually cared about us. That's what I think we should have more on television 📺 Because I don't think that everyone understands that yet, So I think more shows should do things like this. By the way, I know what this month is. Happy Gay Pride guys
In the 19th episode of season 4, 5, and 6 something happens with willow and tara. The relationship begins in new moon, tara's mind is fucked with in tough love, causing willow to try and kill glory, and in seeing red tara is killed. Causing willow to torture and kill warren.
When I was a kid I didn't see the "problem". I was just like "well they are in love". I just thought that the problem was that Oz was there friend and Tara wasn't part of the scoobie gang.
I was 14 when I saw this, and I was absolutely obsessed with the show. Willow was already my favorite character, and I was still in the closet. It secretly meant a lot to me at the time and I looked up to Willow so much more for being so brave when I was still so scared. I told my mom first over the phone long distance, and her reaction was similar to Buffy’s: “Mom I have to talk to you about something (a guy) but I have to tell you something else first..” “What, you’re gay?” “…..yeah…..” “I don’t care, I still love you” And then my dad lol I was at dinner with him and my stepmom and my dad got all awkward and said “Boy I have to ask you something and I just want you to be honest cuz it won’t change anything… are you gay?” “…..yeah….” And then there was the support and hugs and all love. I got really lucky having them as my parents.
well, she developed more in direction gay than straight, sexuality can change and develope and after discovering her interest in women she did not realy go back , I would count her in as a 7 or 8 an a scale from 1 straight to 10 gay
@@SingingSealRiana I think she is bi, no percentage. I think because of her witchy vibe, she tends to lean more into feminine energy. She is most definitely bi, no percentage. The other bi side of her is more attracted to sensitive men with beastly side like Oz and Spike (Spillow is a thing).
@@SingingSealRiana There is genuinely no need to give people Numbers of Sexuality. It can be fun with fictional characters (Hi Spike) but it is NOT good practice for real humans. bi is bi. Gay is gay. Straight is straight. People should be allowed to define themselves.
Like Buffy cares. She was written so well in this scene. If anyone doesn’t care about people being gay, lesbian, trans it’s Buffy. She was only taken back because willow didn’t tell her.
Wait, I don't understand. Willow dated men before. She had a relationship with Oz and was heartbroken when he left. Were her feelings towards Oz not real? Maybe I'm over thinking this. The writers probably didn't plan this from the start.
They didn't want the lesbian thing to just be a college phase, so they made her firm in her choice. The writers have said if the show was made 10 years later, Willow would have been Bi.
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I love how they didn't do a cop out and have Buffy being super unbothered and supportive. How uncomfortable she gets while still wanting to be cool is such a spot on reaction.
Exactly and also that her whole character wasn’t based on her sexuality
this show is the best
Instablaster.
Yeah. Like would coming out to someone and them be perfectly supportive be nice? Ya it would! But its 2021 and most people still dont have that. None of my friends were necessarily mean or rude when i came out to them but they definitely responded similarly to buffy in the sense that they werent expecting it and were confused. One of them had some questions lol but they were all okay with it. Buffys reaction is very realistic of someone who is neither a massive ally or a raging phobe.
@@trollingmermaids Exactly. She's someone put in a situation she never expected to be put in and so it's messy, confusing but at the end of the day well intended.
I like how genuine buffy's reaction is to her coming out, like how shes gets all wigged out but still trying to be understanding, superb acting
Exactly :)
same she didn’t expect it all so her reaction is understandable and i love how supportive she is straight away
FOR THE 90s
You can tell she’s in shock and caught off guard when when willow senses this Buffy becomes composed and firmly reassured her that they are still friends no matter what
Zander is more extreme, he doesn’t hold back lol but he’s known Willow linger and knew that she had a crush on him
"Are you freaked?"
"No, absolutely no. I'm glad you told me."
Buffy's the best friend ever!
Katherine Donovan I know :)
@Logia dude hope that’s sarcasm.
@Logia dude she is a great friend! Their best friends their always there for each other. Willow is also a witch. She has powers. She can handle herself. To say Buffy is basically a bad friend for having friends is fucking horrible. She deserves to have friends like everyone else.
@Logia dude it’s not her fault she is the slayer. It wasn’t a choice. So she shouldn’t be blamed if her friends get in danger.
@Logia dude You are the one who said it wasn't sarcasm. Maybe you should lighten up.
What I like about this scene is it isn't treated dramatically. There is no dramatic music, no cut to an ad-break. Just a friend telling another friend about her newfound feelings. And it is dealt with perfectly.
This show probably handled this unexpected transition better than any I've ever seen.
I agree
yes
i like this one, but the best one was in stranger things
I agree, especially because BTVS came out in the 90s
In the comics Buffy has sex with a girl . 😀
The best part is Giles in the background 'Bloody hell'
Pretty sure that was Spike...
@@jordanwilliams9300 No, it was Giles. He was drunk. Spike wasn’t even present during this scene, and besides, Spike already knew Willow was gay, so he wouldn’t have been as surprised.
@@RainbowPawPrint I thought that Bloody Hell was due to him trying to sleep
@@Jack-Oates No, it was Giles’ surprised and drunken reaction to finding out that Willow was gay and dating Tara.
@@RainbowPawPrint considering earlier scenes had very gay subtext around Giles with Tara and Willow, even including the scene that tipped Spike off it would make sense if he had realised or Willow told him due to their close relationship. Also speaking as a British person myself Bloody Hell is used more in annoyance then surprise.
I'll never forget this scene. I was a kid then and it shocked me a lot to see how normal it was how it happened to a character I already knew. Not stereotyped at all. Buffy was just as surprised as we all were. It was like super natural, super real. And I remember how it changed the image I had about gay people (like if they were "different" or "weird" or whatever...). It was Willow, Buffy's best friend, a character full of personality... only that now she was feeling this, which didn't change her other qualities at all...
Years later, when I was 19, one of my two best friends came out to me (she had a relationship with a girl which didn't tell us about for a long time). I was shocked at the beginning, but then occurred the same: She was still the person I knew, with all her characteristics. There was only one thing about her that I didn't knew and now I did. It didn't change anything... Only that now she could be honest and speak frankly about her feelings as we, the other 2 girls, used to do with the boys we were with or we liked...
I think this scene had a lot to do with the way I started opening my mind those years...
That’s a beautiful story.
I see somebody got to commenting this first, but I still have to add that I found the story beautiful also. Thank you for sharing it with us, and for being a good friend/human.
Thanks for the feedback! 🤗
wow reading that was just . . . a really big waste of time
🥺🥺u just melted my heart
The facial shift of buffy's is solid acting
That little breath Willow takes right before saying Tara’s name... such beautiful acting all around
Also how Buffy pauses before the word "girl". I think it's quite telling of how she's still trying come to terms with the idea.
Sarah Michelle Gellar is a superb actor. Just look at the way she rearranges her face to be supportive. That's SO natural.
I remember as a kid not understanding the coming out scene, I thought they were just surprised because they hadn't seen the chemistry, and hasn't realised that gayness was an important factor here. I'd just accepted Willow and Tara because their story felt very natural and I didn't even question it. Then I realised the oppression gay people face, and now these scenes hit correctly. I'm glad they did this. I'm glad Joss Whedon fought for their relationship.
They took it surprisingly better then many others would have at that time period
Buffy had been through a lot of shit in the seasons prior. A gay friend is nothing compared to demons.
i came out as gay during that period and it was much better then that it is now, being gay is political now and the trans movement is taking over
@@djb1317 the trans movement has always been around, trans people are people.
@@frogurtcremebrulee5252 that has nothing do with my point
@@djb1317 I know what you mean. I am a lesbian and in the past it was better to be gay. Its strange but thats the truth.
To be fair, Willow stood by Buffy dating the undead vampire Angel, lol. Another reason to love this show - their friendship (most of the time) was always first.
Another Buffy outfit I wish I had. Love that green sweater.
Adaptive Discourse eh I prefer willow’s
Buy it
Shmoomin Moomin Willow has the best style in the whole show ❌🧢
Yes, same! Loved those two shades of green
@@staryellos that’s whole ass lie Buffy was the best dressed hands down willow always was wearing grandma clothes
This is a very accurate portrayal of what it’s like coming out to a close friend who had no idea. Like shocked but supportive as can be
Drunk Giles..."Bloody Hell"😂
Plot twist
King Uther is pretending to be Giles
the 'bloody hell' from Giles killed me LOL
Me too. I had a spit take 😅
This scene is so spot on that when I came out to my friends and experienced this exact reaction, I didn’t take it negatively
I was like “ok I’ve seen this before on Buffy - just because they seem uncomfortable doesn’t mean they’re homophobic. They’re surprised, they’re nervous about saying the wrong thing and that’s where the awkwardness is coming from”
This scene made coming out much less scary for me and I appreciate that
Buffy’s shock seems to be more from how this is her best friend she’s known for years, faced unnumbered dangers with, who is essentially her sister, announcing something like this blindsided her and threw her for a loop. I would have the same reaction if my best friend came out to me.
I too have always loved this scene. Agree re AH. SMG also plays it beautifully. She's freaked out at first, but then at 2:15, her expression changes as if to say "this is my best friend, I'm being a jerk." Really well done.
I like Buffy's reaction. It makes sense for the time and then once she's called out she realizes, Willow is her friend and needs her. She recovers smoothly.
I like how they didn’t make Buffy and Xander disgusted but just shocked which is an expected reaction and they took it in a good direction of them excepting it. That’s why I think this show was written well.
THIS WAS SO IMPORTANT FOR OUR FUTURE
genuinely one of my favorite coming out scenes on tv to this day. the way buffy is genuinely taken aback because she never expected to be put in this situation but pulls it together to be supportive when she sees that willow’s nervous is so sweet and pretty realistic tbh
I miss seeing Willow and Oz together, but I'm glad she's got Tara. I just wished that Willow would be honest with Oz about her feelings for Tara instead of lying to him about it.
I don't think she was lying to him about it. I think she was still realizing and grappling with those feelings herself, and Oz showing up again threw everything into stark contrast and allowed her to see what her feelings for Tara actually were.
I think she love them both I just hate Kennedy
@@houseofmatrix6174Kennedy? Oh you mean Dollar Store Faith
Buffy is getting told the important message in 3 minutes. Poor Xander in 3 seconds :D Think we all loved Xander :)
One of my favorite scenes.
“Bloody hell” 😂😂
I love how as soon as her best friend is worried about her reaction buffy instantly changes her mannerisms into completely supportive
It's the exact same interaction and the difference between them though both generally positive, could not be any bigger. One scene could make you cry it's so real and the other busts your got because we all know that's real too! This show cracked the code man. They cant make them like this anymore, and when they do every once and a while it's just amazing.
I love Gilbs reaction
Giles?
giles*
Ah yes, the greatest Buffy character... Rupert Gilbs
@@willowfraye9760 😂
Gibs 🤣
I always liked Tara. And the Tara/ Willow relationship was just as sweet as the Oz/ Willow relationship. Gotta love Giles "Bloody Hell" Response
the thing i love is when you have straight friends and they let you talk about your girl crushes with them and dont make it akward
just watched this episode and nearly cried, I love Willow she is so sweet.
After finishing season 7 ( and starting the comics ) I forgot how wittle willow's voice sounds rn
I think during Season 3-4 she tried too hard too sound like her American Pie Character that was hype at that time lmao
i think this clip is edited to be slightly more high pitched. they do that sometimes on youtube to avoid copyright strikes.
Where can I watch this show?
@@GLBizzieWAIT WHAT I NEVER KNEW WILLOW WAS THAT BAND CAMP GIRL FROM AMERICAN PIE
It was a great scene. (I also loved Giles' off screen "Bloody Hell")
I love how she figure out alone tara and willow ❤❤❤❤
I love the acting in this scene♥️🥰
These two will get it together, and realize that they're meant for each other.
Hopefully before their next lives....
They wanted to make either Xander or Willow gay... They went with what was marginally easier to sell to the network
Actually, they were leaning towards making Xander gay and Tara was originally just gonna be a friend, but the on-set chemistry between Alyson Hannigan and Amber Benson was so good that they went with Willow instead.
This is unrelated but it reminds me of that one scene in season 7 where some female character can't remember her name asked "Is there anyone here who hasn't slept with each other" and Xander and Spike annoyingly glanced at each other.
@@runnerbean6166 I think it was probably decided early on in S4s development as according to James Marsters, Anya was cemented as a regular when they realised Spike really didn't work all that well as "Cordelia replacement" (someone to play the bitchy "you suck, Buffy!" role) due to being a vampire and needing him to run into most scenes under a blanket on fire.
I think that and Seth Green's desire to leave the show mid-season cemented Willow as the gay scooby member.
@Geeky Ninja Would've made perfect sense. His major hangups on girls could've been written as compensation for his own actual feelings.
I remember reading that they went with Willow because Seth Green (Oz) was eager to go off and pursue a film career, giving them the perfect opportunity to have Willow get a girlfriend
I love this show 🥰 my favorite show ever.
im all with the whoohoo thing and youre not-
this is why i love buffy, the humour is just wonderful
That line wasn’t meant to be humorous
@@eslwgpg1226 i would say humour is subjective in my opninion (not fact however). As someone who is gay as has seen many different reactions to people coming out, it was rather relatable hence i probably found it when it wasnt meant to be based upon the severity and seriousness in the nature of the topic they are discussing. more than anything i am grateful that buffy opened up spaces for people to discuss such topics- and for it to find a place on mainstream tv in the early 00s.
While I liked the Willow/Tara relationship, I've always been torn about it because of Oz and Xander. Are we expected to believe that Willow didn't care for Oz? People always act like Willow is a lesbian, but she is clearly bi. She previously loved BOTH Oz and had a crush on Xander yet those elements of the story get ignored in later seasons.
100% agree. I really hated all the “I’m gay now” remarks/jokes we get season 4 and onwards because that’s not at all how sexual orientation works. Like it would have been fine if they wanted Willow to be in denial about being gay in the earlier seasons, but we would have needed to see that progression on screen and had a conversation about how she feels stronger for Tara than she did for Oz/Xander, because it really made it seem like they just flipped a switch in Willow and pretended like she hadn’t solely been interested in men for 3-4 seasons.
@@jadethirlwall1573 Unfortunately, it was difficult enough to sell gay as anything more than a stereotype back then, so making Willow actually bi would've been a step too far. Which is unfortunate, because, yes, Willow is either bi or pansexual.
It’s probably because since being straight is considered the “default” sexuality, most gay people mistake their feelings towards other people to be romantic. Willow and Xander are childhood best friends, and they had a pretty close relationship so you can see how that could happen. when they realize that they’re gay, they fully go that rout. Hope that makes sense.
@@nikaxaiauri5169 yeah but that wouldn’t explain her relationship with Oz. I’m not saying it’s not possible for Willow to have been in denial, I just don’t think the writers executed that properly. They made it seem like because she’s dating Tara, she’s automatically gay, which isn’t necessarily true, esp considering her previous relationships with Xander and Oz.
It irked me as well (and I've personally always considered her either bisexual or pansexual), but I also understand why they did it this way. Being gay was already a hard enough thing for people to accept (and it still is to this day), I don't think the writers were prepared/informed enough to go down the bisexual or pansexual route. I think it was just easier for them to label her as gay. I think if this storyline had had more planning behind it, then they would've changed the way they wrote her relationships with Xander and Oz and this would've made more sense.
You know what, as a person who came out to multiple people, I have to say that this is the most common reaction.. that's a good job on choosing how to do this scene 👏👏.
Ps. Oh I love this so much 😂😍
Buffy, Xander, Willow, and Oz look great!
Meanwhile in Alternate Universe Oz never went to tibet and instead stays in sunnydale,xander came out as gay and went dating someone else,anya ended up got killed by warren and xander went very pissed off and became warlock just to kill warren,Tara ended up dating buffy and became an couple
@@user-pq6rm1be4q what wrong with that dude
There’s Woo and Ho I love Willow
It always kind of annoyed me that she told Buffy but didn't actually ever tell Xander. She knew Xander since they were children, she could trust him with anything. He only just found out by the arguing. Would WIllow have EVER told him? Or would he just see them kissing one day. XD
@@ACROBATON It was definitely funny. But this thought still invades my mind constantly.
Buffys and amazing friend my friends were great when I came out but I know a lot of ppl whose friends dump them because they come it’s so sad
Always makes me sad when that happens.
I love that Buffy was shook. That was real. It’s going to take you a minute to digest that..
Then she went straight to supportive.
And remember, this was the 90s.
Giles - BlOoDy HeLl😂
As a Woz shipper, this episode still breaks my heart into pieces. But I appreciate and respect it’s importance to the LGBTQ community.
They handled thus with grace beauty and honesty
........and Giles!
Bloody hell!
I came out to my mum while I watched this scene
Hope she had Buffy's reaction!
Was that spikes voice there at the end? Ok no one else says “bloody hell” the way he does 😂😂
it's Giles!
Bloody hell!
I love how the show handled Willow falling for Tara. There was no big panic scene, no moment of Willow running off to "figure things out". She accepted it completely. She fell in love with a woman and didn't blink. Everyone else seemed more shocked about it than Willow was. Tara was her soul mate. Simple as that. Such a revolutionary show.
I miss Willow and Tara, but Willow and Oz were a good couple too.
Xanders reaction was funny
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😂😂😂😂😂
...and Giles. Lol
She should've been honest with Oz. He shouldn't have found out the way he did.
The same thing could be said about him... also I really think she wasn't sure herself. I'm not mad at Oz for his reaction though
Gay buffy will be totally awesome if they make a gay buffy summer
I remember watching this episode when it premiered, and the candle scene between Willow and Tara spoke to my (yet to be discovered) real gay self. Sadly my coming out was still *years* away 😶🌫
I love Willow and Tara loved them loved how they did not force it down your throat either
Considering this was, what, the year 2000? They handled it exceptionally well
Bloody hell
Willow, our bisexual queen.
Dr. Amy Fowler Fueler Cooper, you hired Buffy and Willow to use a heart attack laser gun on a 3 day old kitten, after my roomate froze the first kitten in the freezer! What will do for the 3rd, bring Tom Cruise? Seriously, get a grip. These animals are not a threat. Why did you use freeze laser to freeze my cat's womb sacs.
Uh, Buffy, you're in love with a friggin' vampire, so why is the idea of Willow and Tara so uncomfortable?
Bloody hell hahahahahhaha
As a queer woman growing up in the 2000s, I can't tell you how much the character of Willow means to me. I think people forget what this time was like for people in the LGBTQ+ community in this time; we were more widely accepted than we were in decades prior, but not taken quite as seriously. Queer men were played up as the butt of the joke while queer women were hypersexualized. Willow was the first out lesbian character I saw on TV who WASN'T defined by her sexuality and that was so refreshing for me, as a questioning 13-year-old.
okay ....see the guy in the mirror!!!!
You have to be honest or its gonna get allot worse " That is such a powerful and important message
Lying will give you 5 minuets of peace and years of anger and fights. Being honest will hurt someone for a day or two weeks but they will get back to you ,because you told them the trutht and you were honest.
Giles 😂
I had a coworker come out as bi a few months ago. A little startled due to its suddenness. Shrugged it off and said “I don’t judge”. Kept a civil conversation with him. Had no different opinion of him either. A competent individual who is willing to help. It’s not the end of the world people.
"Are u.. freaked? " "no! "
they had so many choices n directions for his part ... Willow leaves both and they all are sad ... she picks one and one of them are sad ... keeps both and they all are happy ... as for Buffy ... sure she is uncomfortable but then she didnt even have an inkling willow was bi so she didnt have to process that fully but from the very mention of it she was supportive no matter what willow chose .. showing she was her friend because of who she was not who or what she could do ...
Lol, i was thinking of the end, then it happened
Scream Queen 👑 However This episode I like, A lot actually. Because when Evan told me that he was gay (well he's Bisexual actually) My friends were very supportive because they actually cared about us. That's what I think we should have more on television 📺 Because I don't think that everyone understands that yet, So I think more shows should do things like this. By the way, I know what this month is. Happy Gay Pride guys
In the 19th episode of season 4, 5, and 6 something happens with willow and tara. The relationship begins in new moon, tara's mind is fucked with in tough love, causing willow to try and kill glory, and in seeing red tara is killed. Causing willow to torture and kill warren.
When I was a kid I didn't see the "problem". I was just like "well they are in love". I just thought that the problem was that Oz was there friend and Tara wasn't part of the scoobie gang.
oml spike at the end "bloody hell"
it's Giles :)
"bloody hell"
Aahahaha !!! Please do u own a pillow
I was 14 when I saw this, and I was absolutely obsessed with the show. Willow was already my favorite character, and I was still in the closet. It secretly meant a lot to me at the time and I looked up to Willow so much more for being so brave when I was still so scared.
I told my mom first over the phone long distance, and her reaction was similar to Buffy’s:
“Mom I have to talk to you about something (a guy) but I have to tell you something else first..”
“What, you’re gay?”
“…..yeah…..”
“I don’t care, I still love you”
And then my dad lol I was at dinner with him and my stepmom and my dad got all awkward and said “Boy I have to ask you something and I just want you to be honest cuz it won’t change anything… are you gay?”
“…..yeah….” And then there was the support and hugs and all love.
I got really lucky having them as my parents.
If u thnk she was going separate U picked the wrong girl
Willow is bi!
Yes, she was. But even calling a character a lesbian in the nineties was a massive huge step and there wasn't room for nuance.
well, she developed more in direction gay than straight, sexuality can change and develope and after discovering her interest in women she did not realy go back , I would count her in as a 7 or 8 an a scale from 1 straight to 10 gay
@@SingingSealRiana I think she is bi, no percentage. I think because of her witchy vibe, she tends to lean more into feminine energy. She is most definitely bi, no percentage. The other bi side of her is more attracted to sensitive men with beastly side like Oz and Spike (Spillow is a thing).
@@SingingSealRiana There is genuinely no need to give people Numbers of Sexuality. It can be fun with fictional characters (Hi Spike) but it is NOT good practice for real humans. bi is bi. Gay is gay. Straight is straight. People should be allowed to define themselves.
@@SingingSealRiana she thought Dracula was attractive
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Aaamg didn't u read the footnotes
Like Buffy cares. She was written so well in this scene. If anyone doesn’t care about people being gay, lesbian, trans it’s Buffy. She was only taken back because willow didn’t tell her.
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What’s the episode and season
Season 4 episode 19, New Moon Rising
Wait, I don't understand. Willow dated men before. She had a relationship with Oz and was heartbroken when he left. Were her feelings towards Oz not real? Maybe I'm over thinking this. The writers probably didn't plan this from the start.
They didn't want the lesbian thing to just be a college phase, so they made her firm in her choice. The writers have said if the show was made 10 years later, Willow would have been Bi.
@@user-ui5tm6kx4qThat’s what I heard too.
What episode is this-?!
Season 4 Episode 19, New Moon Rising, I belive The one where She comes out too Xander is Called The Yoko Factor- or smthn like that-
Isn’t that faith in buffys body ? Lmao
nah, that whole thing is three episodes before this one!
Nah Faith isn't that deep. At least I don't think but your post had me going big time 😆 😆 😆 😆
Hmm woops
Was Oz cured for good?
If you really want spoilers...
No.