I personally think Twilights "idiot stickness" in this episode stems from sometimes we don't like people because of the emotional baggage we tie to them. With Starlight, the main six knew they were on a mission to save Equestria. When you a doing a job you find yourself a certain level separated from the task. With Trixie however, Twilight was still young in the realm of friendship and had only faced one villain. When she first met Trixie, she put Twilight and all her friends in danger. Then Twilights second confrontation with Trixie was something where not only did she watch Trixie humiliate and abuse her friends but she was also in fear of losing everything she had ever known, her friends, her life, her town. This kind of behavior scars a person (or pony) in a large way that would make Twilight more likely to feel spite toward Trixie. (I'm gonna get off my soapbox now 😅)
Oh my gosh this took forever to do. Between 9:14 and 9:15 it says: "In more ways than one...Nudge nudge, wink wink Firebrand can't see this if it's just one frame!!!"
Thank you. I stop trying to see those single frame jokes because it's tiresome pausing for all of them. Heck, I have no idea what most of the single frame jokes said in the MLP Movie review, because too few frames.
Firebrand: Looks like Fluttershy is up next. Lunacorva: Good thinking, saving the most useless character for last. Oh, sounds to me like someone has a death wish on themselves.
I wish that they had reused the bush costume from the pinke sence episode !! I wish it so badly!!!!!!!!!!! ARRGGGGG!!!!.exude me for a moment. * goes Into her pinke room * ......ok...ok after the nonsense of pinkie, nothing bothers me anymore..... ARGGGGG... DARN IT!! I HAVE TO GO HARDDER!!!!! *walks to the really upset room. * nothing can undo this. Listens to flutrR. Ahhh ok that's better.
Exactly. Considering the severity of what both Trixie and Starlight did, I don't blame her for being a bit hesitant to trust either of them, even if she does forgive them and want to give them a second chance.
[Celestia looks at a fork.] Me: I thought she was just bored. Princesses can get bored. Maybe Celestia just got bored enough to attempt to find entertainment in a fork.
@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 Why? She always acted polite before but suddenly stopped because... reasons? Would you accept that if Rarity suddenly started rolling in mud for no reason?
@@Lunacorva Because she considers Twilight her friend and equal. (Not like there were anyone else there at the moment.) The "polite" thing is an act of a politician. You don't need to do that with FRIENDS. Oh and Rarity is fine with being covered in mud, so long as she has cucumbers over her eyes or it's for her sister.
@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 Except we've seen since Season One that the "polite thing" isn't an act. Twilight has ALWAYS been the one she lets her guard down around, and even with her she's always been calm and patient. This is NOT Celestia.
I think Twilight forgives Trixie enough not to seek her punished, but that doesn't mean she likes her. Also she could be worried about Trixie being a bad influence on Starlight, as Starlight is seeking atonement by changing her behavior, while Trixie just says sorry and doesn't change herself at all
Well think about it... Trixie made her look bad, which isn't really a problem, buttttttt she drove her from her home, basically in slaved her friends, and isn't repentant. Starlight did something much worse but was truly sorry. And she repented from inslavery. Not saying it's ok, but I get where she's comeing from... plus, why was Trixie there? To do a performance, this so far has meant trouble
22:33 I’m sure she knows all that perfectly well. Twilight’s struggles as teacher often come from how to apply those lessons to people with shockingly different viewpoints and records. Trixie and Starlight are way less innocent, or even sociable, compared to most every pony in Equestria. They’re filled with more doubt and cynicism, so they just can’t believe Twilight when she says “Do this and everything will he just fine.”
And she's tough too! Not everyone can beat someone to death with their own spine. Heck, the only other person I know of who did something like that had to use the person's skull.
Honestly I couldn't tell if you were insulting him for losing against me or fightning me in the first place. Or were you even insulting him at all? I couldn't tell. Either way, I wouldn't say he's incompetent, I tricked him and my trick was very conviencing XD
I have one partial explanation for one of the problems in this episode what is part of Twilight's problem with Trixie was actually the fact that she was hanging out with Starlight maybe she thought the two would end up causing each other to relapse or something which could then have led into some of her unique crazy as she starts thinking of what evils they could accomplish together without fully thinking through each scenario to see if it's likely or even possible as for the lessons were Twilight had to learn to trust her friends that actually feeds a problem you brought up in this episode Starlight is a former villain this isn't trusting one of your best friends who has never done anything criminal to your knowledge this is trusting your student who is trying learning to not be evil even if they don't bring it up very often it could contribute to Twilight's paranoia
OK, so, interesting idea. You know how quite a lot of the time the episodes seem out of order? Well, what if it's the case here, and Celestia is acting like this because she was replaced by a changeling already??
If that were the case, I feel like celestia would most likely escape halfway through the episode. Changelings take love, not magic. And celestia is basically the god of the sun. She has magic strong enough to take out the equestrian army 100 times over. So we’d probably notice if it was a changeling.
Celestia would literally drop the sun to help twilight. And I mean while she was supposed to raise it. I don’t think she’s upset about losing a little break time to see twilight
Mrs. Cake didn’t resent magic before but she’s tired of her magically gifted daughter ruining her day with random nonsense. She’s clearly got a favorite child.
Love the accuracy of the military paperwork gag at the end. Oh... you thought Aramau was joking? NOPE. A true representation of the military if ever there was one.
as an added note to the part about punishing somebody who already knows they were wrong and is trying to do better, if you were to do so you'd actually risk making them change their minds again because they're being punished even though they repented for their sins, and in so doing instill a feeling that repenting didn't matter and make them ask "why change if nothing comes from it?"
My head canon for this episode, it's opposite day . But most don't a knowledge it. Twilight being. Well twilight forgets but still does it. Fluttershy hears about it and desides to try. And celestia. .. well she came up with it so she has to do it
Fun fact: Firebrand's Happy Pills are actually IRL hugs from Ari... HOWEVER, they are a really powerful love tranquilizer and an overdose can cause side effects such as: Fans shipping the overdosed person/pony and their current partner/spouse Fan art and... Possible increased levels of love, care and affection to the person applying the tranquilizer. So only Ari is able to use and has memorized the correct dose to keep his hot-headed, Meme-obsessed, gramatically advanced, pyromancing/pyrokinetic, soldier main-ing, hunk horse of a boyfriend.
Starlight is somehow showing signs of being Twilight 2.0 because she's good at organizing? Um...she managed to single-handedly run a town(For an unknown number of years, no less) and lead the village during the cult anthem musical number. I'm pretty certain that's evidence that she was good at organizing things pre-reformation. Or was that a joke that just completely flew over my head?
Ok, I came up with another reason why Twilight acted like this. Celestia was coming over. Twilight always gets nervous when her mentor and idol gets involved. The pier pressure tends to bring out the worst in Twilight. Also with Celestia's behavior, haven't you had a bad day at the office? Maybe she had an argument with Luna. Although I admit the whole reason is unclear. Otherwise, I enjoyed the review, keep doing what you're doing.
My theory, it's opposite day and twilight does it because she's twilight, celestia came up with it so she does it, and fluttershy hears about it and try it out. The rest either don't do it or never heard of it. And 14:35 why is party of one there? That's a pinkie episode not a twilight epideode
Celestia couldn’t have had a fight with Luna, because we’d notice. Haven’t you forgotten what the friendship map is for? It’s possible celestia didn’t get enough sleep, or maybe she was dealing with some stubborn politicians, or she’s possibly just exhausted from the long day. I’m not a pony of equestria, but I know it takes a lot of power to raise and lower the sun. Celestia can do it, but it still strains her, if only a little. It’s like a body builder lifting weights. On different days, it’s more strenuous, but it still puts a strain on. So it’s possible celestia Is just tired.
Am I the only one that would have loved to have seen Aramau Recording those lines about how to join the military? I'd love to have seen her expressions.
I see the fact that Starlight has to live with the guilt and decisions she made as her punishment. I think its more mental then anything. Not all punishments have to be physical. The how big that guilt is, the more pain it causes to that person (or pony).
the case involving Starlight's forgiveness was out of the norm, as every villain was punished, which does not always need to be between arrest, torture or death. Sunset is always compared because similar situations are a matter of remorse after the fact, but the difference is that Sunset was "punished" by the students with suspicion and had to recover with their brave effort. Starlight has been pardoned by her village in a musical frame and must constantly keep reminding the public that she feels guilty otherwise it would not be apparent since nobody acts suspiciously close to her. in case of guilt, for example Luna she created an entity to torture herself to not forget the bad that caused, but this is an exaggeration since we have seen that everything Nightmare moon did was 5 minutes of fight before being banned. The worst thing she did was to attack Celestia and no one else. Starlight almost destroyed the lives of everyone in Equestria and is legitimately rewarded with confidence even after brainwashing Mane 6 if Discord had done it he would be turned into stone after all settled. if she were treated with suspicion by at least her village, or could not walk alone to earn the right, or even do community work or a job under watch would be a good "punishment" but not what happened was the same as a child kicking a ball in the room to break the TV, pot, bookshelf and pictures and the parents to enroll in a football program because the kick was so good that it needs to be shared by the world.
You know when she brainwashed the mane five twlight should have asked her to give Up her magic or leave the castle and ponlvlir for ever I mean starlight being as magical powerful as she is IT doesn't make sense why celstia didn't accept her into her school but she was able to telekintically fly and mix spell's which twlight and her were evenly matched I mean since twlight is supposed to be the ombinet of magic twlight May have more maigc then celstia and Luna or potential to be more powerful so could starlight I am pretty sure that twlight did tevhinsl punshih her when twlight showed her what happened she had a mental breakdown same as in royal problem so that was her punsumet mentally though after when she brainwashed the mane five twlight should have asked her to give Up her magic or bainsh her useing the map
@@koalafromtomorrow5656 I would say temporary banishment where she is sent somewhere and has to try to survive without her magic (she won’t be able to use it even if she tried cause a spell was cast to disable it) and once she comes back Twilight does undo the disabling spell but not completely, so she can only perform simpler spells instead of major spells (like brainwashing or cutie mark changing). After that Twilight will teach her on how to make friend but not for her own personal benefit and because of the disabling spell she won’t be able to force them into it. I would also say have the mane five not forgive her as easily and have her do some work for them, without using magic. I think permanently banning her from using magic is not the best idea since telling a unicorn to not use magic is like telling a pegasus to not fly
I just want to say that Trixie was never a threat from the beginning. She was self obsessed and a jerk but she wasn’t a villain. She only became a villain because Snips and Snails Ruined her life by bringing the Ursa Minor to Ponyville like idiots.
Starlight doesn't need to learn how to control her magic. She needs to learn social skills after that traumatic experience she had as a child. Also Trixie's flaw is that she doesn't think when she can get a one up on someone, especially Twilight.
6:20 I had this problem for the longest time with ‘reformed’ Discord. His actions suggested he was constantly tugging at his leash until his friends/captors would bring the hammer down. Meanwhile with Starlight, when she does wrong with her magic, she honestly thought she could make lives easier. Compare this to Discord’s deliberate pranks and anarchy. It wasn’t until the Season 6 finale that he ever tried to be a real friend. I’m fine with everything Glimmer did in this episode, in that she didn’t seem like a barely reigned-in sociopath, just a character with gradual change.
I dont get why everyone is so confused why twilight hates Trixie so much more than she should starlight (considering what they've done). To me its simple. Starlight is Voldemort Trixie is Umbridge Twilight's beef with trixie is somewhat more personal to her than with starlight
Personally, I think Trixie just rubs Twilight the wrong way. I mean, just because she has forgiven her over the Alicorn Amulet, doesn't mean that their personalities still don't clash. Also, I think Trixie was being honest about how beating Twilight was a "bonus", so she tried harder to be friendly because of it, even though she would have tried regardless.
Exactly it was pretty clear that Trixie was taking advantage of the situation to manipulate Starlight, it didn't start out that way but that's how it ended up.
Yes, they seemed to continue the next line where she explained her comment where she responded “Exactky” to Starlight’s question if she made friends with her to get back at Twilight. She wasn’t fully thinking when she said that but gloating.
First off: 24:49 Ha! Incredibles reference! Secondly: Thanks for reviewing the episode, great work as usual and I have to agree with how Twilight’s character was dragged through the mud to probably meet some sort of antagonistic need for the episode. Also Celestia’s constant smugness... ok I’m fairly new to the series and even I know that’s wrong. Still I really liked this episode.
She wasn’t dragged through mud just because she had reservations about Trixie that proved to be partially right and because she wasn’t perfect. Honestly people seem to complain wheather Twilight acts perfect or flawed.
While I can agree somewhat on your side of how Twilight acted in this episode and how she was seemingly hypocritical, I still have to disagree when you say Twilight has a "manufactured dislike for Trixie" I'd argue her actions and attitude against Trixie were completely justified. Back in Magic Duel, Trixie literally threw Twilight out of her hometown and took it over becoming their new dictator, made the townsponies and her friends into slaves (at least she didn't brainwash them), and later on made it clear at some point she wanted to take over Equestria. She even mentioned how one of her spells had the intent to make Rainbow Dash "writhe in agony" AFTER she took off the alicorn amulet, thus not being influenced by its dark magic. That one moment still emphasizes my belief that Trixie still had very sadistic intentions, with or without the assistance of the alicorn amulet. I personally didn't believe Trixie's "apology" for a second (and that could be in part because of the ending of Magic Duel being so rushed), and I think Twilight's stance towards Trixie in No Second Prances could be interpreted as her thinking that Trixie is still dangerous, given that Twi hadn't seen her since her apology, but yeah I can agree those feelings should've been built up a little more throughout the series. I saw another comment down below saying that maybe Twilight just has a hatred for condescending a-holes, which is a big part of how Trixie normally talks to her. I dunno know about you, but I don't think ANYONE would want to be around any jerks like that. Now of course Twi does hang around with another big blue ball of ego with Rainbow Dash, but at least RD's ego isn't condescending and more or less playful jabbing at times. And going off of what Lunacorva mentioned here, it doesn't feel like Trixie actually learned from her mistakes up until now, albeit rather poorly. And Twilight seeing an ex-villain become friends with another ex-antagonist, if I were Twilight, I would definitely be smelling danger from the mere concept of them getting together.
That is fair. Twilight was probably afraid that Trixie's influence would undo all Twilight's work with Starlight and cause her to relapse back to her old ways. Sure, she relapsed with the whole Every Little thing She Does fiasco, but that wasn't done with malice and is a whole nother can of worms.
Exactly. It's not unheard of for one of the rules for people on parole being not to associate with known ex-cons for exactly that reason. Though on Trixie, we don't know how long it would take for the effects of the Amulet to wear off. Sure it's magical, but if the way the magic altered her behavior was just tweaking her neurochemistry, it could take a bit for that to get back to normal after the cause was removed. I do think Trixie knows she went too far there and was sorry about it. It's just her ego won't let her dwell on it for long. And you pretty much nailed why RD is one of her best friends, while she can at best tolerate Trixie. While RD will boast about how awesome she is as much, if not more then Trixie, RD never does so at other's expense. The underlying motivation was solid and rather well done. The issue was they pushed Twilight a bit too far into being an annoying, insensitive, oblivious jerk about it to Starlight.
Yeah, when Trixie first appeared, she was just an egomaniac. It seems like a huge jump from that to sadist. She just wanted the amulet to outdo Twilight. I doubt she intended to go as far as she did.
If you look back she didn't really care for Discord when he was "reformed the first time". In fact all her friends with the exception of Fluttershy didn't like him one bit. They didn't really try to help him become better. This is pretty much why he betrayed them in the season 4 finale. And to a certain extent I don't think she trusted him even after he was completely reformed. On a few occasions I believe in season 6 she showed that she doesn't trust Discord still. So in a way you can't really blame how she treated Trixie.
Trixie didn't just become friends with Starlight to screw over Twilight. She was legitimately bonding with he and did like her. It was just she saw an opportunity to one up Twilight and took it. I'd say the turn around point is when Starlight mentioned not being able to do the show because of the dinner. That was where "Use Starlight to get at Twilight" began to trump her simply enjoying being friends with her for her own sake. As to Discord, true none of them really wanted him around, but at the same time, he was being an asshole to them all the time and made no secret it was only wanting to keep Fluttershy as a friend that kept him from going back to being evil. There was fault on both sides for that one.
14:27 plus, there is also the fact of life, that people forget things! Sometimes, you just need to be reminded of what you learn! It is physically impossible to remember your every waking moment of your life! I agree with Firebrand here!
the punishment for starlight's past actions is self-inflicted through severe social anxiety over fear of judgment from past mistakes and the possibility of repeating them. Her character arc is pretty much the correct way to do what they tried to do with Princess Luna in the episode Do Ponies Dream of Magic Sheep.
18:48 If I may, Firebrand, I feel it as only right to issue fairness in regards to Celestia's behavior. Keep in mind, there's a distinct difference between Celestia trying to console Twilight, and taking time out of a busy schedule to see someone. Allow me to explain: Celestia, regardless of where she is, DOES have duties to perform, even if we don't see em. Ergo, she's likely known for being bogged down with a lot of work so as to keep Equestria intact. Keep in mind, Twilight and company can't be EVERYWHERE at once. So, I for one buy that she'd be a little annoyed if she feels that her time is being wasted. Also, factor in that Celestia can see into the future; it makes perfect sense that she already knew that Twilight would pull a paranoid stunt like this, and feels that she's having her patience tested for the sake of someone (even Twilight's own) zeal. In short, Celestia has every right to be at least a little spoiled seeing as Twilight essentially dragged her away from Canterlot to waste her time.
You think he'd take that into account, it's not that she was being spoiled. She was irritated because she had to take time out of her busy schedule to do this.
I think the reason Celestia was so put out was that she saw exactly what was going on, namely Twilight fishing for praise. Twilight said so herself at the beginning of the episode, she wanted to show Celestia Starlight's progress and 'how good of a teacher she had'. Twilight wanted Trixie out of the picture because she thought it would make HER look bad.
But why didn't Celestia at least talk with Cranky, who she knows from his adventures across Equestria, and from his wedding, which she attended? Or maybe a conversation about music with Scratch Vinyl? Oh right. The Celestia is bored joke had to be used. :P
I'm not sure if it was even boredom, Celestia had that look on her face that seemed to say 'Not this again'. Twilight has always been a bundle of neurosis bordering on being a total kiss ass when Celestia is involved. The fact that she still is even after having been elevated to a position where they can be considered equals has to be frustrating for Celestia. If we could see her thoughts during that scene, she'd probably be considering giving Twilight a telekinetic slap upside the head and telling her to stop trotting on eggshells around her and to simply treat her as she would her friends. It would save them all a lot of headache in the long run.
While I'm not Starlight fanboy, I do feel that Twilight has a bit of justification for her feelings towards Trixie as apposed to Starlight. Even if as you said, Starlight doesn't seem to really understand why what she does is wrong, when she's informed of it she usually apologizes and at the very least she's making an effort to change. Up until this episode all we'd gotten out of Trixie were (probably insincere) words of apology and no action whatsoever to back them up. Twilight is well aware of Starlight's troubles understanding morality and is justifiably worried that Trixie is going to cause her to backslide, which is more or less what happens. Twilight definitely went about it the wrong way, but she had a point.
19:33 My thought of that was, this is the equivalent of someone setting you up for a job interview, they talk you up and all...and then you just don't show up! It looks bad on you AND the person who decided not to say they weren't coming!
Here is the thing intent can factor just as much as action when it comes to forgiving someone. Starlight was a sympathetic, well meaning extremist motivated by her vision of a better world, Trixie was a vain bully who's worse actions where done for petty revenge and power lust. Also trixie harm twilight more directly and personally then starlight
Firebrand, if I can put in my two bits worth, when you get the required amount of bits to retrain your guards, I suggest taking ideas from Skyrim's guards. They can tell who you are under 5 layers of magic, 2 layers of armor, and can shout insults and taunts at your race from atop their walls while you sit just outside the gate. You want better guards? Here's my two bits worth. Either retrain your current guards, or just fire all of them and hire expirenced ones. Because if a GRIFFEN can fool all of your guards with YOUR OWN IDENTITY CARD, WHICH IS LEVEL 8 WITH ACCESS TO EVERY SINGLE ROOM IN THE COMPLEX, (deep inhale) then YOUR guards are the most blind and idiotic box of rocks this side of the galactic quadrant!!! If anything, let your #1 secretary train them. They know less about being a guard than Silver Quill does. Besides, she knows she can kick flank without even trying. And she knows she's best pone by far.
7:47 Lunacorva is amazing freak out is funny here! I don't know why but "Sky Diving Camels Selling Igloos on Mars" is so funny and hilarious that it just made the review for me!
7:52 I don't think Starlight lived in Canterlot. She was seen there, but that doesn't necessarily mean she lived there. Before the village, she lived in a random town in Equestria. It makes sense that she didn't know. And from what I've seen, Equestria has terrible communication problems. A small town might not know about the Wonderbolts.
10:34 I'd argue that it's less about suffering and more about penitence. Does the wrong-doer truly feel bad about what they did? If not, why not? Yes Starlight's childhood-trauma-motivation story was stupid but at least it was something. It gave Twilight an "in" to Starlight's psyche. She could sympathize with Starlight's pain and thus form a connection. But Twilight doesn't have that kind of connection with Trixie. I'd go so far as to say that Twilight just doesn't like Trixie, and that can make it harder for Twilight to give Trixie a true second chance. (Twilight was the same way with Discord, if you recall, so there is character continuity.) 14:02 Ah, but did Twilight REALLY forget all her past lessons about trusting her friends? Did she really? Because . . . I don't think she views Starlight as a friend just yet. A student, yes. Someone in need of counsel and teaching, yes. A subordinate even, yes. But a friend? Someone who is fully equal to her and deserving of her respect? I don't think that Twilight really sees Starlight that way, not at this point in the series. And that, I think, is at least part of why Twilight is so overbearing in this episode (and in a few others yet to come.) Twilight doesn't trust or respect Starlight's judgment yet -- and can we blame her? "Literally brainwashed a town", as you said, Lunacorva.
Nice discussion on punishments and Starlight vs Trixie. I get the impression that Twilight thought Trixie hadn't actually learned, whereas with Starlight she had first hand experience because she stuck around. Also, sometimes we have one experience, then live a while before having another, act different due to our growth, then fall back on the first mentality when we confront that original problem. I know, that sounds complicated. But take me for example. My politics (won't say what they are) are very different now than they were back in college. But I still find myself thinking back to those old arguments, knowing why I felt the way I did, and resenting the other side for what I felt to be ignorance or spite, at least on some of their points. But back to Twilight. She may not have let go of how she felt about Trixie, even though she'd grown and responded differently to Starlight. And by the end of the episode, she Trixie, and Starlight all learn.
I know Twilight looks like a hypocritical jerk for saying that Starlight and Trixie making a connection was a bad thing, but I don't think she's wrong for feeling that way. I mean, people can connect with other people for the wrong reasons, and what if those same connections end up reinforcing negative and destructive worldviews? For example, back in high school, I felt connected to a group of people for their intelligence and ambition, and I wanted to be like them. Then, I got to see what they were like underneath all that, and I didn't like what I saw. The first person to tell me not to be like them was my overprotective, 9-out-of-10-better-judge-of-character-than-me mother. Maybe I'm projecting too much of myself into this episode, but aside from the creepy stalking and the judgementalness, I fail to see how Twilight was the bad guy in this.
Twilight shouldn't have put a time limit on Starlight making a friend. Twilight also shouldn't have invited Celestia to meet the new friend without Starlight already having new friends. And most importantly of all, Twilight should have definitely explained her reservations about Trixie better than she did in the actual episode. Trixie... hopefully gets more character development. She gets a teeny bit better later on, but definitely needs some humble pie that sticks, instead of sliding off.
Okay this is how I see it and as to why I like Starlight. Starlight knows what she does is wrong and is making atone for her sins by having Twilight teach her about friendship. She is like the symbol of redemption like a person who did a crime, pay the debt to society, and try to rebuild what the person lost while trying to make better for others for what the person did in the past. Yes the past cannot change, but you can change yourself for a better future not just to others but yourself as well. Trixie never learns that lesson, she continues to be smug and sweeps it under the rug rather trying to better herself and atone for her mistakes in hurting others. Telling someone sorry is easy, making it stick by proving how sorry you are is hard and Trixie doesn't want to try whatsoever other then just saying "I said I was sorry I think that is more then enough" when really it is not since you hurt Twilight, her friends, and the people of ponyville very badly and sorry is not enough unless you make it stick. Starlight actually wants make atone to that and make amends which is why Twilight forgives her more then Trixie.
honestly I’ve seen the episode and I can relate cuz Mom my was over reacting when l make friends (meanly with boys) 😫but she had her Concerns and I love her for that and she has her rights to be A bit worried but we should all learn how to trust ourselves to my are own friends that’s what really matters💜
10:25 From the way Magic Duel ended, Trixie snuck away during everypony cheering for Twilight when the amulet was removed. When Celestia is in town with the ponies from Saddle Arabia, everypony is suddenly distracted by Trixie's fireworks. And while it may have looked like an apology from Trixie, she also might've used that as a chance to run away and avoid punishment. With Twilight silently wishing her good luck.
8:00 Paused When did it say Starlight lived near Cantorlot? So what if she hasn't heard of them. Dash and the rest of the main six are more national heroes then the Wonderbolts ever were. And even she, their biggest fan, didn't know of their history until it was taught to her.
Lunacorva ... No she didn't Just rewatched the scene. She said Sunburst was sent to Cantorlot, because of his magical abilities. Didn't say she lived near it.
Lunacorva "His family recognized his magical talent and sent him off to Cantorlot. I never saw him again." Word for word. I also doubt everyone in Celestia's school was just from Cantorlot. She'd want unicorns from all over Equestria.
Starlight not being punished is bad for her character growth, not bad for the reality for the show. Sunset Shimmer also instantly learned her lesson, but we respect her character because we know the physical steps she went through to atone for it. Starlight went through no steps to atone, to demonstrate that she was actually sorry for her actions, she simply apologized and we were expected to forgive her. MLP decided to tell instead of show. Showing Starlight doing something as simple as community service as a result of her actions would make the story a lot easier to swallow. It doesn't even need to be the focus of any episode, just a slight detail.
BOOM THAT IS IT RIGHT THERE! Remeber alot of fans hated Sunset from EG 1 but when we saw in EG2 she had suffered for those evil actions while also reforming herself that is when we came to like her. Starlight hasn't gone through that and she did far worse then Sunset. Which is why Twilight's reaction to Trixie in this episode really hurts Twilight because out of these three she did the least harm. and unlike SUnset or Starlight Trixie has an outside influence.
It’s not hard to see that all three main characters in this episode were neither right nor wrong, the trope for this is Both Sides Have A Point. Twilight was right about Trixie being a bad influence but shouldn’t have tried to control Starlight. Trixie was right about others not giving her a second chance, but her behavior is the reason others don’t give her that chance, like admitting she used Starlight. Starlight was right to be mad at Twilight, but was wrong to ditch her and brag about it before being caught. A lot of people blame Twilight, and even thought his wasn’t her best episode she was clearly correct about a few things this episode, like not trusting Trixie.
Trixie did meet Starlight by coincidence. But her need to get back at Twilight when the opportunity arose overrode her desire for a friend until it all came crashing down on her and she fell into a depression.
"Just think of him as target practice" Me: Oh, is Silver Quill in this episode!? … … So, are all gryphons and gryphon-like creatures the natural punching bags of Dr Wolfs universe now? *for lack of whatever else to call their corner of youtube*
18:42 The way I see it, Celestia wasn't acting spoiled on purpose. She was disappointed with Twilight for her obvious bullshitting about the absence of Starlight and her new friends, when she should have just told her former mentor Starlight had just become friends with Trixie and their tardiness was unexpected. As for Twilight's judgmental character after all these seasons, I'd say not even the Princess of Friendship can suddenly become perfect and eliminate all personal flaws. Her ill-fated encounters with Trixie probably made a far more serious impact on Twilight than she herself wasn't expecting, and it all boiled over. Moreover, it all boils down to the fact that, deep down, Twilight hadn't fully forgiven Trixie yet at that point. Or at least, that's me trying to get into the mind of this episode's writer(s).
What do you think Firebrands been trying to do? He's been trying to reform the Equestrian Military into an actual military force and not the useless decorative ceremonial one that it is.
Katharina Albright I offer mercenaries, all veterans with years of experience, Nd they come at a discount for people I like when said people buy in bulk
Celestia's bad attitude during the dinner probably came from Twilight's behavior. After all, Celestia doesn't like it when Twilight tries to make excuses instead of being honest about a situation, and bringing three creatures who are quite clearly not even Twilight's friends, let alone Starlight's is just making it worse.
This collar presentation was unbelievably funny. I laughed hard so many times. And I gotta say, I REALLY like Lunacorva. I can’t believe I haven’t heard from him before.
Here's a question I've had about Trixie for AGES! Why does she even want to be the better unicorn than Twilight anyway? Does she think Celestia will give HER "special treatment" or that ponies may see HER as the hero instead? A better question is...why is she jealous of her anyway? it all seems so childish for a pony who, in my eyes, is an adult
i love this episode for many reasons, 1 is Trixie's return and the other is Starlight and Trixie becoming friends, i always thought how interesting it would be for Starlight to make friends with Reformed villains, ponies who understand what she went through, Trixie is perfect for that. both made mistakes ( some bigger than others... ), and they both could use a friend who isnt " perfect " ( you know what i mean, dont chew my head off, i know damn well no one is perfect.) and as we have seen from the future they really do work well for each other. this was an awesome vid Josh
I never thought of this before. Trixie would be a lot easier to forgive than Starlight. Trixie just bullied Twilight like an elementary student. Starlight "brainwashed an entire town!!".
Firebrand: "I am not a squeaky toy!" Pardon me while I giggle! I am also wondering if Goku sympathizes. Lots of other funny jokes here. I can't list them all. Also... I never realized how out of character Celestia's boredom was in this episode. :/ Heck, she'd at least have something to talk to Cranky about, as they already know each other! She attended his wedding! I think the reason Twilight was so distrusting is embodied in the later episode All Bottled Up. Trixie often refuses to learn from her mistakes, and denies them most of the time, so she doesn't always learn from her errors. Hence Twilight's seemingly irrational distrust that's not properly detailed in the episode. :P And yeah, I'm laughing at the ending bit too. ;) EDIT: I had a thought about Celestia's boredom: Cranky knows her, DJ Pon 3 is too chill to worry about Twilight leaving them hanging, and Derpy is too nice and friendly to worry about it.
23:00 I have something to add. Twilight did this stuff before this episode, with Both Discord in "Keep Calm and Flutter On" and Sunset Shimmer in "Rainbow Rocks", honestly it falls under the ladder
I think twilight like starlight better because while starlight is having panic attacks from her shame and guilt just by going back home, trixy doesn't seem to care much, twilight never truly forgave trixy because trixy didn't seem to learn her lesson, as for trixy saying she became starlight's friend, as she said, I think she just got carried away
Fluttershy was obviously worried for the Manticore. He could choke on Trixie.
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Yeah? I know this?
@@ambermargheim5726 get off the fucking weed
instablaster.
I personally think Twilights "idiot stickness" in this episode stems from sometimes we don't like people because of the emotional baggage we tie to them. With Starlight, the main six knew they were on a mission to save Equestria. When you a doing a job you find yourself a certain level separated from the task. With Trixie however, Twilight was still young in the realm of friendship and had only faced one villain. When she first met Trixie, she put Twilight and all her friends in danger. Then Twilights second confrontation with Trixie was something where not only did she watch Trixie humiliate and abuse her friends but she was also in fear of losing everything she had ever known, her friends, her life, her town. This kind of behavior scars a person (or pony) in a large way that would make Twilight more likely to feel spite toward Trixie. (I'm gonna get off my soapbox now 😅)
Oh my gosh this took forever to do. Between 9:14 and 9:15 it says:
"In more ways than one...Nudge nudge, wink wink Firebrand can't see this if it's just one frame!!!"
yes! someone else saw it!!
Yeah, it's really hard to pause on a single frame, especially on mobile.
Thank you so much! I couldn't get it to pause on the correct frame. XD
That's why the period and comma buttons are your friends. They can skip the video forward and backward, one frame at a time.
Thank you. I stop trying to see those single frame jokes because it's tiresome pausing for all of them.
Heck, I have no idea what most of the single frame jokes said in the MLP Movie review, because too few frames.
the words to describe Starlight's morality is as such:
"It's not that I am immoral, I just don't know yours "
I think that's called "Lawful Evil."
Firebrand: Looks like Fluttershy is up next.
Lunacorva: Good thinking, saving the most useless character for last.
Oh, sounds to me like someone has a death wish on themselves.
Excuse me for a minute please
*gets sydney sleeper from goldenFox and shoots lunacorva*
There we go!
Scarlet Star ah much better
I wish that they had reused the bush costume from the pinke sence episode !! I wish it so badly!!!!!!!!!!! ARRGGGGG!!!!.exude me for a moment. * goes Into her pinke room * ......ok...ok after the nonsense of pinkie, nothing bothers me anymore..... ARGGGGG... DARN IT!! I HAVE TO GO HARDDER!!!!! *walks to the really upset room. * nothing can undo this. Listens to flutrR. Ahhh ok that's better.
Wait go?.... I meant to say try harder. As in try harder to not be bothered.... I just saw how my first comment looked.... *shudders*
At least be didn't say that about Twilight, then their would be problems! There wouldn't be a body to find when I got done : )
Forgiveness isn't the same as trust.
or standing a jerk....
Ok... did that nurse never give him the happy pills?...ok now that I say it it sounds a lot worse. I wish they had done something with them.
Thank you!
Exactly. Considering the severity of what both Trixie and Starlight did, I don't blame her for being a bit hesitant to trust either of them, even if she does forgive them and want to give them a second chance.
Both have to be earned
[Celestia looks at a fork.]
Me: I thought she was just bored. Princesses can get bored. Maybe Celestia just got bored enough to attempt to find entertainment in a fork.
princessbinas Because even when that bored, Celestia has always acted polite and graceful.
@@Lunacorva She just decided not to pretend for Twilight.
@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 Why? She always acted polite before but suddenly stopped because... reasons? Would you accept that if Rarity suddenly started rolling in mud for no reason?
@@Lunacorva Because she considers Twilight her friend and equal. (Not like there were anyone else there at the moment.) The "polite" thing is an act of a politician. You don't need to do that with FRIENDS.
Oh and Rarity is fine with being covered in mud, so long as she has cucumbers over her eyes or it's for her sister.
@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 Except we've seen since Season One that the "polite thing" isn't an act. Twilight has ALWAYS been the one she lets her guard down around, and even with her she's always been calm and patient. This is NOT Celestia.
I think Twilight forgives Trixie enough not to seek her punished, but that doesn't mean she likes her. Also she could be worried about Trixie being a bad influence on Starlight, as Starlight is seeking atonement by changing her behavior, while Trixie just says sorry and doesn't change herself at all
Well think about it... Trixie made her look bad, which isn't really a problem, buttttttt she drove her from her home, basically in slaved her friends, and isn't repentant. Starlight did something much worse but was truly sorry. And she repented from inslavery. Not saying it's ok, but I get where she's comeing from... plus, why was Trixie there? To do a performance, this so far has meant trouble
That makes sense.
@@elijahberger5722 thanks
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22:33 I’m sure she knows all that perfectly well. Twilight’s struggles as teacher often come from how to apply those lessons to people with shockingly different viewpoints and records. Trixie and Starlight are way less innocent, or even sociable, compared to most every pony in Equestria. They’re filled with more doubt and cynicism, so they just can’t believe Twilight when she says “Do this and everything will he just fine.”
That ending. Aramau, you are the best secretary. :)
Shayma98 indeed
Yes, yes she is.
Totally agreed with ya
Shayma98 Eeyup
And she's tough too! Not everyone can beat someone to death with their own spine.
Heck, the only other person I know of who did something like that had to use the person's skull.
Note: If Starlight didn't come and save trixie, 'Please...?' would've been her last word.
Wow, a 27 minute review on this channel, that's a rarity around here! Pun unintended.
Giovanni Orellana I can already hear Josh groaning
I am groaning
Beautiful name :0
With a pun like that Josh's anger is really gonna spike. I can practically see the chaos and discord ensuing.
(And yes, both of my puns are intended)
Thats some serious pink eye the crow has.
Probably needs to get that checked.
Good stuff as always.
One word or two. Smoke weed every day.
I think LunaCorva is half demon, therefore he's supposed to have blood red eyes.
Ya he dueled me and he gave up through my silly little tricks. Doesn't really make Firebrand incompetent does it? If anything I got lucky XD
Lightning Bliss Are... you agreeing or disagreeing with me. I can't tell which.
Honestly I couldn't tell if you were insulting him for losing against me or fightning me in the first place. Or were you even insulting him at all? I couldn't tell. Either way, I wouldn't say he's incompetent, I tricked him and my trick was very conviencing XD
Lightning Bliss Firebrand is amazing because he can indeed keep up with any alicorn, princess or not. But you still won in the end Blissmallow!
Lightning Bliss hi big fan blissy
Lightning Bliss sorry the (y) was accidental
I have one partial explanation for one of the problems in this episode what is part of Twilight's problem with Trixie was actually the fact that she was hanging out with Starlight maybe she thought the two would end up causing each other to relapse or something which could then have led into some of her unique crazy as she starts thinking of what evils they could accomplish together without fully thinking through each scenario to see if it's likely or even possible as for the lessons were Twilight had to learn to trust her friends that actually feeds a problem you brought up in this episode Starlight is a former villain this isn't trusting one of your best friends who has never done anything criminal to your knowledge this is trusting your student who is trying learning to not be evil even if they don't bring it up very often it could contribute to Twilight's paranoia
OK, so, interesting idea. You know how quite a lot of the time the episodes seem out of order? Well, what if it's the case here, and Celestia is acting like this because she was replaced by a changeling already??
That makes way too much sense in every way, shape and form.
If that were the case, I feel like celestia would most likely escape halfway through the episode. Changelings take love, not magic. And celestia is basically the god of the sun. She has magic strong enough to take out the equestrian army 100 times over. So we’d probably notice if it was a changeling.
I think Celestia was just upset about being stood up and was a little miffed about having lost her break time...I don't know
And she probably had waited for a long time was mainly bored and tired, not trying to make a statement with the fork.
Or she was starting to feel hungry and annoyed by Starlight's bad manners.
Celestia would literally drop the sun to help twilight. And I mean while she was supposed to raise it. I don’t think she’s upset about losing a little break time to see twilight
Mrs. Cake didn’t resent magic before but she’s tired of her magically gifted daughter ruining her day with random nonsense. She’s clearly got a favorite child.
Love the accuracy of the military paperwork gag at the end. Oh... you thought Aramau was joking? NOPE. A true representation of the military if ever there was one.
as an added note to the part about punishing somebody who already knows they were wrong and is trying to do better, if you were to do so you'd actually risk making them change their minds again because they're being punished even though they repented for their sins, and in so doing instill a feeling that repenting didn't matter and make them ask "why change if nothing comes from it?"
Old proverb says; "Forgiveness is divine, but condemnation is so much easier".
Ah, Lily Orchard's favorite phrase.
And never pay full price for late pizza.
Oh really? I've heard it as "To err is humane, to forgive is divine".
@@xandan1668 ....lol
My head canon for this episode, it's opposite day
. But most don't a knowledge it. Twilight being. Well twilight forgets but still does it. Fluttershy hears about it and desides to try. And celestia. .. well she came up with it so she has to do it
Fun fact: Firebrand's Happy Pills are actually IRL hugs from Ari...
HOWEVER, they are a really powerful love tranquilizer and an overdose can cause side effects such as:
Fans shipping the overdosed person/pony and their current partner/spouse
Fan art and...
Possible increased levels of love, care and affection to the person applying the tranquilizer.
So only Ari is able to use and has memorized the correct dose to keep his hot-headed, Meme-obsessed, gramatically advanced, pyromancing/pyrokinetic, soldier main-ing, hunk horse of a boyfriend.
This comment is so goddamn adorable, I love it.
Damn, more side effects than my ADHD pills.
@@theprepaintedcanvis3452 u have ADHD, pills too? Cool
@@ambermargheim5726 thanks!
What side effects? I use them every weekday
"Your jaw looks fine as an earring!" That line alone made me love Lunacorva.
Why thank you.
"The Jerk got character growth! Throw it away quickly!"
"Caaan, do!"... "Aaaah, much better."
Josh, your girlfriend is awesome.
If there is ever a future with even the smallest chance of you two breaking up, please keep her as a secretary.
I love Lunacorva's mannerisms and how he frustrates Firebrand at every turn.
Starlight is somehow showing signs of being Twilight 2.0 because she's good at organizing? Um...she managed to single-handedly run a town(For an unknown number of years, no less) and lead the village during the cult anthem musical number. I'm pretty certain that's evidence that she was good at organizing things pre-reformation.
Or was that a joke that just completely flew over my head?
I think it was both.
Yes.
"Come one, come all, to the pathetic and friendless Trixie's way-to-go-dumb-dumb you really messed it up this time redundant tour...!"
26:27, Oh, Aramau. You are... just the best
Ok, I came up with another reason why Twilight acted like this. Celestia was coming over. Twilight always gets nervous when her mentor and idol gets involved. The pier pressure tends to bring out the worst in Twilight. Also with Celestia's behavior, haven't you had a bad day at the office? Maybe she had an argument with Luna. Although I admit the whole reason is unclear. Otherwise, I enjoyed the review, keep doing what you're doing.
My theory, it's opposite day and twilight does it because she's twilight, celestia came up with it so she does it, and fluttershy hears about it and try it out. The rest either don't do it or never heard of it. And 14:35 why is party of one there? That's a pinkie episode not a twilight epideode
Celestia couldn’t have had a fight with Luna, because we’d notice. Haven’t you forgotten what the friendship map is for? It’s possible celestia didn’t get enough sleep, or maybe she was dealing with some stubborn politicians, or she’s possibly just exhausted from the long day. I’m not a pony of equestria, but I know it takes a lot of power to raise and lower the sun. Celestia can do it, but it still strains her, if only a little. It’s like a body builder lifting weights. On different days, it’s more strenuous, but it still puts a strain on. So it’s possible celestia Is just tired.
Ah yes, i too become nervous around my idols when suspended walkways over water are involved.
I don’t think they’re saying that Trixie planed this from the start, just when she found out that starlight is twilight’s apprentice.
Am I the only one that would have loved to have seen Aramau Recording those lines about how to join the military?
I'd love to have seen her expressions.
I see the fact that Starlight has to live with the guilt and decisions she made as her punishment.
I think its more mental then anything. Not all punishments have to be physical. The how big that guilt is, the more pain it causes to that person (or pony).
the case involving Starlight's forgiveness was out of the norm, as every villain was punished, which does not always need to be between arrest, torture or death.
Sunset is always compared because similar situations are a matter of remorse after the fact, but the difference is that Sunset was "punished" by the students with suspicion and had to recover with their brave effort. Starlight has been pardoned by her village in a musical frame and must constantly keep reminding the public that she feels guilty otherwise it would not be apparent since nobody acts suspiciously close to her.
in case of guilt, for example Luna she created an entity to torture herself to not forget the bad that caused, but this is an exaggeration since we have seen that everything Nightmare moon did was 5 minutes of fight before being banned. The worst thing she did was to attack Celestia and no one else.
Starlight almost destroyed the lives of everyone in Equestria and is legitimately rewarded with confidence even after brainwashing Mane 6
if Discord had done it he would be turned into stone after all settled.
if she were treated with suspicion by at least her village, or could not walk alone to earn the right, or even do community work or a job under watch would be a good "punishment"
but not what happened was the same as a child kicking a ball in the room to break the TV, pot, bookshelf and pictures and the parents to enroll in a football program because the kick was so good that it needs to be shared by the world.
@@KuatPronunciations1860 you are very smart
You know when she brainwashed the mane five twlight should have asked her to give Up her magic or leave the castle and ponlvlir for ever I mean starlight being as magical powerful as she is IT doesn't make sense why celstia didn't accept her into her school but she was able to telekintically fly and mix spell's which twlight and her were evenly matched I mean since twlight is supposed to be the ombinet of magic twlight May have more maigc then celstia and Luna or potential to be more powerful so could starlight I am pretty sure that twlight did tevhinsl punshih her when twlight showed her what happened she had a mental breakdown same as in royal problem so that was her punsumet mentally though after when she brainwashed the mane five twlight should have asked her to give Up her magic or bainsh her useing the map
@@koalafromtomorrow5656 I would say temporary banishment where she is sent somewhere and has to try to survive without her magic (she won’t be able to use it even if she tried cause a spell was cast to disable it) and once she comes back Twilight does undo the disabling spell but not completely, so she can only perform simpler spells instead of major spells (like brainwashing or cutie mark changing). After that Twilight will teach her on how to make friend but not for her own personal benefit and because of the disabling spell she won’t be able to force them into it. I would also say have the mane five not forgive her as easily and have her do some work for them, without using magic. I think permanently banning her from using magic is not the best idea since telling a unicorn to not use magic is like telling a pegasus to not fly
I just want to say that Trixie was never a threat from the beginning. She was self obsessed and a jerk but she wasn’t a villain. She only became a villain because Snips and Snails Ruined her life by bringing the Ursa Minor to Ponyville like idiots.
Starlight doesn't need to learn how to control her magic. She needs to learn social skills after that traumatic experience she had as a child.
Also Trixie's flaw is that she doesn't think when she can get a one up on someone, especially Twilight.
Trixies flaw is that she has a massive ego but nothing to back it up
Someone make a note to use "candle scout " in the future!
This is one of my favorite episodes of the entire series.
Same
6:20 I had this problem for the longest time with ‘reformed’ Discord. His actions suggested he was constantly tugging at his leash until his friends/captors would bring the hammer down. Meanwhile with Starlight, when she does wrong with her magic, she honestly thought she could make lives easier. Compare this to Discord’s deliberate pranks and anarchy. It wasn’t until the Season 6 finale that he ever tried to be a real friend. I’m fine with everything Glimmer did in this episode, in that she didn’t seem like a barely reigned-in sociopath, just a character with gradual change.
I dont get why everyone is so confused why twilight hates Trixie so much more than she should starlight (considering what they've done). To me its simple.
Starlight is Voldemort
Trixie is Umbridge
Twilight's beef with trixie is somewhat more personal to her than with starlight
Personally, I think Trixie just rubs Twilight the wrong way. I mean, just because she has forgiven her over the Alicorn Amulet, doesn't mean that their personalities still don't clash.
Also, I think Trixie was being honest about how beating Twilight was a "bonus", so she tried harder to be friendly because of it, even though she would have tried regardless.
Exactly it was pretty clear that Trixie was taking advantage of the situation to manipulate Starlight, it didn't start out that way but that's how it ended up.
Yes, they seemed to continue the next line where she explained her comment where she responded “Exactky” to Starlight’s question if she made friends with her to get back at Twilight. She wasn’t fully thinking when she said that but gloating.
Also, it's hard to get past a bad first impression.
First off: 24:49 Ha! Incredibles reference!
Secondly: Thanks for reviewing the episode, great work as usual and I have to agree with how Twilight’s character was dragged through the mud to probably meet some sort of antagonistic need for the episode. Also Celestia’s constant smugness... ok I’m fairly new to the series and even I know that’s wrong. Still I really liked this episode.
She wasn’t dragged through mud just because she had reservations about Trixie that proved to be partially right and because she wasn’t perfect. Honestly people seem to complain wheather Twilight acts perfect or flawed.
Robert par!
While I can agree somewhat on your side of how Twilight acted in this episode and how she was seemingly hypocritical, I still have to disagree when you say Twilight has a "manufactured dislike for Trixie" I'd argue her actions and attitude against Trixie were completely justified.
Back in Magic Duel, Trixie literally threw Twilight out of her hometown and took it over becoming their new dictator, made the townsponies and her friends into slaves (at least she didn't brainwash them), and later on made it clear at some point she wanted to take over Equestria. She even mentioned how one of her spells had the intent to make Rainbow Dash "writhe in agony" AFTER she took off the alicorn amulet, thus not being influenced by its dark magic. That one moment still emphasizes my belief that Trixie still had very sadistic intentions, with or without the assistance of the alicorn amulet. I personally didn't believe Trixie's "apology" for a second (and that could be in part because of the ending of Magic Duel being so rushed), and I think Twilight's stance towards Trixie in No Second Prances could be interpreted as her thinking that Trixie is still dangerous, given that Twi hadn't seen her since her apology, but yeah I can agree those feelings should've been built up a little more throughout the series.
I saw another comment down below saying that maybe Twilight just has a hatred for condescending a-holes, which is a big part of how Trixie normally talks to her. I dunno know about you, but I don't think ANYONE would want to be around any jerks like that. Now of course Twi does hang around with another big blue ball of ego with Rainbow Dash, but at least RD's ego isn't condescending and more or less playful jabbing at times. And going off of what Lunacorva mentioned here, it doesn't feel like Trixie actually learned from her mistakes up until now, albeit rather poorly. And Twilight seeing an ex-villain become friends with another ex-antagonist, if I were Twilight, I would definitely be smelling danger from the mere concept of them getting together.
That is fair. Twilight was probably afraid that Trixie's influence would undo all Twilight's work with Starlight and cause her to relapse back to her old ways. Sure, she relapsed with the whole Every Little thing She Does fiasco, but that wasn't done with malice and is a whole nother can of worms.
Exactly. It's not unheard of for one of the rules for people on parole being not to associate with known ex-cons for exactly that reason.
Though on Trixie, we don't know how long it would take for the effects of the Amulet to wear off. Sure it's magical, but if the way the magic altered her behavior was just tweaking her neurochemistry, it could take a bit for that to get back to normal after the cause was removed. I do think Trixie knows she went too far there and was sorry about it. It's just her ego won't let her dwell on it for long.
And you pretty much nailed why RD is one of her best friends, while she can at best tolerate Trixie. While RD will boast about how awesome she is as much, if not more then Trixie, RD never does so at other's expense.
The underlying motivation was solid and rather well done. The issue was they pushed Twilight a bit too far into being an annoying, insensitive, oblivious jerk about it to Starlight.
Yeah, when Trixie first appeared, she was just an egomaniac. It seems like a huge jump from that to sadist. She just wanted the amulet to outdo Twilight. I doubt she intended to go as far as she did.
If you look back she didn't really care for Discord when he was "reformed the first time". In fact all her friends with the exception of Fluttershy didn't like him one bit. They didn't really try to help him become better. This is pretty much why he betrayed them in the season 4 finale. And to a certain extent I don't think she trusted him even after he was completely reformed. On a few occasions I believe in season 6 she showed that she doesn't trust Discord still. So in a way you can't really blame how she treated Trixie.
Trixie didn't just become friends with Starlight to screw over Twilight. She was legitimately bonding with he and did like her. It was just she saw an opportunity to one up Twilight and took it. I'd say the turn around point is when Starlight mentioned not being able to do the show because of the dinner. That was where "Use Starlight to get at Twilight" began to trump her simply enjoying being friends with her for her own sake.
As to Discord, true none of them really wanted him around, but at the same time, he was being an asshole to them all the time and made no secret it was only wanting to keep Fluttershy as a friend that kept him from going back to being evil. There was fault on both sides for that one.
14:27 plus, there is also the fact of life, that people forget things! Sometimes, you just need to be reminded of what you learn! It is physically impossible to remember your every waking moment of your life! I agree with Firebrand here!
the punishment for starlight's past actions is self-inflicted through severe social anxiety over fear of judgment from past mistakes and the possibility of repeating them. Her character arc is pretty much the correct way to do what they tried to do with Princess Luna in the episode Do Ponies Dream of Magic Sheep.
18:48 If I may, Firebrand, I feel it as only right to issue fairness in regards to Celestia's behavior. Keep in mind, there's a distinct difference between Celestia trying to console Twilight, and taking time out of a busy schedule to see someone. Allow me to explain:
Celestia, regardless of where she is, DOES have duties to perform, even if we don't see em. Ergo, she's likely known for being bogged down with a lot of work so as to keep Equestria intact. Keep in mind, Twilight and company can't be EVERYWHERE at once.
So, I for one buy that she'd be a little annoyed if she feels that her time is being wasted. Also, factor in that Celestia can see into the future; it makes perfect sense that she already knew that Twilight would pull a paranoid stunt like this, and feels that she's having her patience tested for the sake of someone (even Twilight's own) zeal.
In short, Celestia has every right to be at least a little spoiled seeing as Twilight essentially dragged her away from Canterlot to waste her time.
You think he'd take that into account, it's not that she was being spoiled. She was irritated because she had to take time out of her busy schedule to do this.
I think the reason Celestia was so put out was that she saw exactly what was going on, namely Twilight fishing for praise. Twilight said so herself at the beginning of the episode, she wanted to show Celestia Starlight's progress and 'how good of a teacher she had'. Twilight wanted Trixie out of the picture because she thought it would make HER look bad.
An equally valid point; a similar cause and effect, mayhaps...
But why didn't Celestia at least talk with Cranky, who she knows from his adventures across Equestria, and from his wedding, which she attended? Or maybe a conversation about music with Scratch Vinyl?
Oh right. The Celestia is bored joke had to be used. :P
I'm not sure if it was even boredom, Celestia had that look on her face that seemed to say 'Not this again'. Twilight has always been a bundle of neurosis bordering on being a total kiss ass when Celestia is involved. The fact that she still is even after having been elevated to a position where they can be considered equals has to be frustrating for Celestia. If we could see her thoughts during that scene, she'd probably be considering giving Twilight a telekinetic slap upside the head and telling her to stop trotting on eggshells around her and to simply treat her as she would her friends. It would save them all a lot of headache in the long run.
While I'm not Starlight fanboy, I do feel that Twilight has a bit of justification for her feelings towards Trixie as apposed to Starlight. Even if as you said, Starlight doesn't seem to really understand why what she does is wrong, when she's informed of it she usually apologizes and at the very least she's making an effort to change. Up until this episode all we'd gotten out of Trixie were (probably insincere) words of apology and no action whatsoever to back them up. Twilight is well aware of Starlight's troubles understanding morality and is justifiably worried that Trixie is going to cause her to backslide, which is more or less what happens. Twilight definitely went about it the wrong way, but she had a point.
19:33
My thought of that was, this is the equivalent of someone setting you up for a job interview, they talk you up and all...and then you just don't show up! It looks bad on you AND the person who decided not to say they weren't coming!
"With one friend, it actually ended up with them getting arrested."
Are you talking about Toonkritick?
Here is the thing intent can factor just as much as action when it comes to forgiving someone. Starlight was a sympathetic, well meaning extremist motivated by her vision of a better world, Trixie was a vain bully who's worse actions where done for petty revenge and power lust. Also trixie harm twilight more directly and personally then starlight
Firebrand, if I can put in my two bits worth, when you get the required amount of bits to retrain your guards, I suggest taking ideas from Skyrim's guards. They can tell who you are under 5 layers of magic, 2 layers of armor, and can shout insults and taunts at your race from atop their walls while you sit just outside the gate. You want better guards? Here's my two bits worth. Either retrain your current guards, or just fire all of them and hire expirenced ones. Because if a GRIFFEN can fool all of your guards with YOUR OWN IDENTITY CARD, WHICH IS LEVEL 8 WITH ACCESS TO EVERY SINGLE ROOM IN THE COMPLEX, (deep inhale) then YOUR guards are the most blind and idiotic box of rocks this side of the galactic quadrant!!! If anything, let your #1 secretary train them. They know less about being a guard than Silver Quill does. Besides, she knows she can kick flank without even trying. And she knows she's best pone by far.
7:47 Lunacorva is amazing freak out is funny here! I don't know why but "Sky Diving Camels Selling Igloos on Mars" is so funny and hilarious that it just made the review for me!
7:52 I don't think Starlight lived in Canterlot. She was seen there, but that doesn't necessarily mean she lived there. Before the village, she lived in a random town in Equestria. It makes sense that she didn't know. And from what I've seen, Equestria has terrible communication problems. A small town might not know about the Wonderbolts.
im glad someone acknowledged that trixie literally implied suicide in this ep
Villain for hire so he works for the guild of calamitous intent.
You know, if you press the video player, the keys "." and "," can be used for going one frame at a time.
But do we want to? Or would we rather have random background caption jokes that are visible and don't require pausing and rewinding repeatedly?
In this case if it was easier to spot, it would ruin the joke. So it all depends on context.
10:34 I'd argue that it's less about suffering and more about penitence. Does the wrong-doer truly feel bad about what they did? If not, why not? Yes Starlight's childhood-trauma-motivation story was stupid but at least it was something. It gave Twilight an "in" to Starlight's psyche. She could sympathize with Starlight's pain and thus form a connection. But Twilight doesn't have that kind of connection with Trixie. I'd go so far as to say that Twilight just doesn't like Trixie, and that can make it harder for Twilight to give Trixie a true second chance. (Twilight was the same way with Discord, if you recall, so there is character continuity.)
14:02 Ah, but did Twilight REALLY forget all her past lessons about trusting her friends? Did she really? Because . . . I don't think she views Starlight as a friend just yet. A student, yes. Someone in need of counsel and teaching, yes. A subordinate even, yes. But a friend? Someone who is fully equal to her and deserving of her respect? I don't think that Twilight really sees Starlight that way, not at this point in the series. And that, I think, is at least part of why Twilight is so overbearing in this episode (and in a few others yet to come.) Twilight doesn't trust or respect Starlight's judgment yet -- and can we blame her? "Literally brainwashed a town", as you said, Lunacorva.
Nice discussion on punishments and Starlight vs Trixie. I get the impression that Twilight thought Trixie hadn't actually learned, whereas with Starlight she had first hand experience because she stuck around. Also, sometimes we have one experience, then live a while before having another, act different due to our growth, then fall back on the first mentality when we confront that original problem. I know, that sounds complicated. But take me for example. My politics (won't say what they are) are very different now than they were back in college. But I still find myself thinking back to those old arguments, knowing why I felt the way I did, and resenting the other side for what I felt to be ignorance or spite, at least on some of their points. But back to Twilight. She may not have let go of how she felt about Trixie, even though she'd grown and responded differently to Starlight. And by the end of the episode, she Trixie, and Starlight all learn.
20:00 Trixie was just probably talking without thinking. Like you said, " She didn't even know who Starlight was at first".
I know Twilight looks like a hypocritical jerk for saying that Starlight and Trixie making a connection was a bad thing, but I don't think she's wrong for feeling that way. I mean, people can connect with other people for the wrong reasons, and what if those same connections end up reinforcing negative and destructive worldviews? For example, back in high school, I felt connected to a group of people for their intelligence and ambition, and I wanted to be like them. Then, I got to see what they were like underneath all that, and I didn't like what I saw. The first person to tell me not to be like them was my overprotective, 9-out-of-10-better-judge-of-character-than-me mother. Maybe I'm projecting too much of myself into this episode, but aside from the creepy stalking and the judgementalness, I fail to see how Twilight was the bad guy in this.
Twilight shouldn't have put a time limit on Starlight making a friend. Twilight also shouldn't have invited Celestia to meet the new friend without Starlight already having new friends. And most importantly of all, Twilight should have definitely explained her reservations about Trixie better than she did in the actual episode.
Trixie... hopefully gets more character development. She gets a teeny bit better later on, but definitely needs some humble pie that sticks, instead of sliding off.
Herman Cillo Okay, those reasons don't necessarily make her the bad guy. Careless and disorganized, yes, but the bad guy, no.
Okay this is how I see it and as to why I like Starlight. Starlight knows what she does is wrong and is making atone for her sins by having Twilight teach her about friendship. She is like the symbol of redemption like a person who did a crime, pay the debt to society, and try to rebuild what the person lost while trying to make better for others for what the person did in the past. Yes the past cannot change, but you can change yourself for a better future not just to others but yourself as well. Trixie never learns that lesson, she continues to be smug and sweeps it under the rug rather trying to better herself and atone for her mistakes in hurting others. Telling someone sorry is easy, making it stick by proving how sorry you are is hard and Trixie doesn't want to try whatsoever other then just saying "I said I was sorry I think that is more then enough" when really it is not since you hurt Twilight, her friends, and the people of ponyville very badly and sorry is not enough unless you make it stick. Starlight actually wants make atone to that and make amends which is why Twilight forgives her more then Trixie.
honestly I’ve seen the episode and I can relate cuz Mom my was over reacting when l make friends (meanly with boys) 😫but she had her Concerns and I love her for that and she has her rights to be A bit worried but we should all learn how to trust ourselves to my are own friends that’s what really matters💜
10:25 From the way Magic Duel ended, Trixie snuck away during everypony cheering for Twilight when the amulet was removed. When Celestia is in town with the ponies from Saddle Arabia, everypony is suddenly distracted by Trixie's fireworks. And while it may have looked like an apology from Trixie, she also might've used that as a chance to run away and avoid punishment. With Twilight silently wishing her good luck.
8:00 Paused
When did it say Starlight lived near Cantorlot?
So what if she hasn't heard of them. Dash and the rest of the main six are more national heroes then the Wonderbolts ever were.
And even she, their biggest fan, didn't know of their history until it was taught to her.
She siad she lived in Canterlot during her whole flashback pity party at the end of the Season 5 finale.
Lunacorva ... No she didn't
Just rewatched the scene. She said Sunburst was sent to Cantorlot, because of his magical abilities.
Didn't say she lived near it.
No it said he was sent to Celestia's special school. Which was in Canterlot. So it makes sense that he would go to a school in his hometown.
Lunacorva "His family recognized his magical talent and sent him off to Cantorlot. I never saw him again."
Word for word.
I also doubt everyone in Celestia's school was just from Cantorlot. She'd want unicorns from all over Equestria.
Sorry Lunacorva but you are wrong here. she didn't live near Canterlot.
Starlight not being punished is bad for her character growth, not bad for the reality for the show. Sunset Shimmer also instantly learned her lesson, but we respect her character because we know the physical steps she went through to atone for it. Starlight went through no steps to atone, to demonstrate that she was actually sorry for her actions, she simply apologized and we were expected to forgive her. MLP decided to tell instead of show. Showing Starlight doing something as simple as community service as a result of her actions would make the story a lot easier to swallow. It doesn't even need to be the focus of any episode, just a slight detail.
That's a good point. I was more adressing those who seek to punish the reformed solely so they can feel better.
BOOM THAT IS IT RIGHT THERE!
Remeber alot of fans hated Sunset from EG 1 but when we saw in EG2 she had suffered for those evil actions while also reforming herself that is when we came to like her. Starlight hasn't gone through that and she did far worse then Sunset. Which is why Twilight's reaction to Trixie in this episode really hurts Twilight because out of these three she did the least harm. and unlike SUnset or Starlight Trixie has an outside influence.
11:15 Cough* Cough* Lily Peet and how he treats Josh Cough*
oh get over it. honestly, im sick of arguing with these kinds of fans at this point.
"a stick shoved so far up his plot device"
It’s not hard to see that all three main characters in this episode were neither right nor wrong, the trope for this is Both Sides Have A Point. Twilight was right about Trixie being a bad influence but shouldn’t have tried to control Starlight. Trixie was right about others not giving her a second chance, but her behavior is the reason others don’t give her that chance, like admitting she used Starlight. Starlight was right to be mad at Twilight, but was wrong to ditch her and brag about it before being caught. A lot of people blame Twilight, and even thought his wasn’t her best episode she was clearly correct about a few things this episode, like not trusting Trixie.
To me sadistic humor is the best humor like when silver quill gets hurt or when any of your OC,S get injured
DO NOT DISGRACE THE FLUTTERSHY!!!
Midnight☪Wonder Yeah. She already disgraces the show by existing. XD
(I'm kidding.)
And now you're on my bad side . . .
Midnight☪Wonder roger.
Trixie did meet Starlight by coincidence. But her need to get back at Twilight when the opportunity arose overrode her desire for a friend until it all came crashing down on her and she fell into a depression.
"Just think of him as target practice"
Me: Oh, is Silver Quill in this episode!?
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So, are all gryphons and gryphon-like creatures the natural punching bags of Dr Wolfs universe now? *for lack of whatever else to call their corner of youtube*
18:42 The way I see it, Celestia wasn't acting spoiled on purpose. She was disappointed with Twilight for her obvious bullshitting about the absence of Starlight and her new friends, when she should have just told her former mentor Starlight had just become friends with Trixie and their tardiness was unexpected.
As for Twilight's judgmental character after all these seasons, I'd say not even the Princess of Friendship can suddenly become perfect and eliminate all personal flaws. Her ill-fated encounters with Trixie probably made a far more serious impact on Twilight than she herself wasn't expecting, and it all boiled over. Moreover, it all boils down to the fact that, deep down, Twilight hadn't fully forgiven Trixie yet at that point.
Or at least, that's me trying to get into the mind of this episode's writer(s).
Bro get new guards pleaase
What do you think Firebrands been trying to do? He's been trying to reform the Equestrian Military into an actual military force and not the useless decorative ceremonial one that it is.
Katharina Albright is
yeah the Equestrian military looks even worse than the North Korean military, and that is just sad.
Katharina Albright I offer mercenaries, all veterans with years of experience, Nd they come at a discount for people I like when said people buy in bulk
Dreamer Dawn at this point it would be both easier and cheaper to disband the Royal guard and restart form scratch
I love how absolutely completely accurate/awesome Ari's description of how to join was ^_^ i remember when that was all i had to worry about
grandmafrosty the funny part was that I was the one who wrote that, not the guy who was actually in the military. ;)
Anyone realized that there using yu GI oh duelist of the rose soundtrack. This I love. 🙌🙌🙌
Definitely a favorite game of mine as a child.
Hooray people noticed the music of duelist of the roses
Aria:we can't afford to buy a cupcake
Me: that explains so much.
thank you luncorva what you said about starlight being too powerful and her being twilights student is exactly what ive been saying about her
Celestia's bad attitude during the dinner probably came from Twilight's behavior. After all, Celestia doesn't like it when Twilight tries to make excuses instead of being honest about a situation, and bringing three creatures who are quite clearly not even Twilight's friends, let alone Starlight's is just making it worse.
(15:32) Best, editing, EVER!!!!!
Also nice nod to Back at the Barnyard
What happened to your redesign?
the artist *politely distanced himself* from josh
Deviant Gazer long story
please tell.....i really want to now.....IS JOSH ACTUALLY A JERK AND LILLY PEET WAS RIGHT.....tell me please
I think he looks better this way
Diego Kaqui
No, he isn't, Lily has a vendeta against him
the angry Griffin crow is my spirit animal/person
There! I got a new microphone! Ya happy?!!
TheDCmatrix he's adorable now💚☺️💚
Aww, thank you!
TheDCmatrix I don’t know...show up in the next episode and we’ll measure my happiness then 😅 and adorable part is debatable 😉
Can do!
Very much, yes.
This collar presentation was unbelievably funny. I laughed hard so many times.
And I gotta say, I REALLY like Lunacorva. I can’t believe I haven’t heard from him before.
Here's a question I've had about Trixie for AGES!
Why does she even want to be the better unicorn than Twilight anyway? Does she think Celestia will give HER "special treatment" or that ponies may see HER as the hero instead?
A better question is...why is she jealous of her anyway? it all seems so childish for a pony who, in my eyes, is an adult
nice choice in background music, bring back good memories
You left out the part where Twilight lied about the friends Starlight made that weren't Trixie.
the big highlight i got from this video, besides the review, was the Dualist of the Rose background music. so good.
Firebrand's base is just way too easy to brake into .
Yeah. There was even that time that Maddy just fell into a pot o gold. And she's not even Irish!
i love this episode for many reasons, 1 is Trixie's return and the other is Starlight and Trixie becoming friends, i always thought how interesting it would be for Starlight to make friends with Reformed villains, ponies who understand what she went through, Trixie is perfect for that. both made mistakes ( some bigger than others... ), and they both could use a friend who isnt " perfect " ( you know what i mean, dont chew my head off, i know damn well no one is perfect.) and as we have seen from the future they really do work well for each other.
this was an awesome vid Josh
I never thought of this before. Trixie would be a lot easier to forgive than Starlight. Trixie just bullied Twilight like an elementary student. Starlight "brainwashed an entire town!!".
HAHAHA "how in the name of skydiving camels selling igloos on Mars" that is hilarious and I am going to use that from now on
Firebrand: "I am not a squeaky toy!"
Pardon me while I giggle! I am also wondering if Goku sympathizes.
Lots of other funny jokes here. I can't list them all. Also... I never realized how out of character Celestia's boredom was in this episode. :/
Heck, she'd at least have something to talk to Cranky about, as they already know each other! She attended his wedding!
I think the reason Twilight was so distrusting is embodied in the later episode All Bottled Up. Trixie often refuses to learn from her mistakes, and denies them most of the time, so she doesn't always learn from her errors. Hence Twilight's seemingly irrational distrust that's not properly detailed in the episode. :P
And yeah, I'm laughing at the ending bit too. ;)
EDIT: I had a thought about Celestia's boredom:
Cranky knows her, DJ Pon 3 is too chill to worry about Twilight leaving them hanging, and Derpy is too nice and friendly to worry about it.
Imagin this griffin and Bluecifer both reviewing
Seriously does any one realize that hoofdini is Houdini
That ending.....perfection
Firebrand, your girlfriend is awesome. You've definitely got a keeper.
23:00 I have something to add.
Twilight did this stuff before this episode, with Both Discord in "Keep Calm and Flutter On" and Sunset Shimmer in "Rainbow Rocks", honestly it falls under the ladder
I think twilight like starlight better because while starlight is having panic attacks from her shame and guilt just by going back home, trixy doesn't seem to care much, twilight never truly forgave trixy because trixy didn't seem to learn her lesson, as for trixy saying she became starlight's friend, as she said, I think she just got carried away
Starlight regretted her decisions. Trixie seems to regret nothing.
5:38 I am not a squeaky toy!!!
Adam Favuzzi Yes. You are. Now shush.
Sam Case adorable 😊
Lunacorva you are one scary son of a bird.
I love it. xD
(and I also love your editor, 9:15 ;) )