As mostly a career integrator, the whole thing. I wish I had this customer context earlier, but positively I share this with people in integration earlier in their career. #1(10:25): ... most IIOT people have no idea what they are talking about! Executives who are listening to them are getting dumber. (I can relate having gotten dumber at many conferences, haha). #1B (7:35): Executives who spent, that should be ashamed of themselves, who spent 7 figures on the ERP to get efficiencies, wasting their money #2 (6:25): "the information those solutions could provide you ended THERE, THERE!" Karate chops the board at ERP -> MES.
It's the first time I have heard someone finally put ERP in it's place in this context. An oil/gas customer of mine a while back installed SAP, and you should have heard them go on about how it was going to save the day. It was a total disaster. So many problems to get it to fit their operations. And absolutely no other system was allowed to connect to it. The IT department simply refused. It was like SAP was in an ivory tower. From my limited experience, this is truth Walker!
8:40 I agree! I'm a software engineer, I worked for IT and Engineering departments, and always have this issues... My last job, they want to automate a IVR process that according to the head of IT was only possible using 3rd party services bla bla bla... and would not work in real time... I did it inside the ERP database (SQL) and made it work in real time, I was able to create a POST request calling a REST API that was on the customer side ... all this in SQL ... and guess what... we didn't have a test environment ... did it straight in Production! lol
Great video Walker and Zack! Thanks for posting the whole thing. People starting out with an OEE in the 30's is pretty common. We've seen low 20's. Almost exclusively, they think it's better, especially when they are doing "calculations by hand". There is almost always that shock of the lines and facility being that low and needing to work past that shock and to allowing them to become more efficient. The data visualization is a big thing. If you've seen Our Hour by Hour Productivity video. Very similar, showing operators what is happening based on real time data of the lines. Big performance boost. Also with scheduling, understanding what change overs need to happen between runs and scheduling that more efficiently. We run into this a lot in food and bev with allergens. Wait for the forthcoming Corso series talking about all the "little things" we do to find make processes better, like changing PLC code, like updating HMI screens, most of those are looking at how machines were originally built, and talking to operators and maintenance staff to understand how we can help make their jobs easier. If they know it or not, they are a huge wealth of knowledge and we need to capture that.
I'm sorry, but visualizing OEE has nothing to do with buzzwords like Industry 4.0. It's just a simple calculation and it can be done on the simplest platforms available or control systems that cost seven figures. Even doing the calculation once a day on a calculator can be valuable. Yeah, it's an important gauge of the business and should drive efforts to improvement. Don't convolute it with this IIOT nonsense! I've seen companies that have no idea what their OEE is because they don't bother to collect any machine efficiency data even though they have all the resources they need to do it.
This is a true joy to watch. You can switch out some of the manufacturing specific 'stations' for those in your own industry and the same lessons seem to apply.
OMG! What a lesson! I don't work in any industries -- I'm just an English as second language teacher trying to find interesting videos for a student who is an engineer working in the food industry. I don't understand any of this, but I feel like this is gold and that we'll be able to have very interesting discussions in the upcoming classes with this video. I'm excited to understand the overall ideas behind all these systems (and I'll make him explain them to me lol). Thank you for the video and for the honesty in it. Just one question, though: I've just realized the video is from 2 years ago. Is all of this still true nowadays? (from the comments I can see it probably is)
The authority with which you talk is simply great and that shows the vast real experience you have in manufacturing IT domain. Very impressed with all your content. Grateful to you Walker and your team.
I have no background by education. By career, I worked for a railroad wayside monitoring system which used PLC and SCADA systems and Oracle for database with several optical scan cams and sensors. What is MES? What is HMI? Can I request you to elaborate each acronym at least once at the beginning or on the first use? It helps people like me to understand and learn IIOT without self-doubt. I want to thank you for your authoritative talks. I can hear and see how much experience you have in this field. You are a master!
Thank you. Loved it. Still true five years later. The Boing did not age that well, sadly. But for other reasons. Came here from the DM talks. Thanks for the great content.
simply superb Mr Walker....crystal clear. I am looking to deploy MES in 2022 and want to explain executive the benefits or ROI. This is best video available to have my thought process clear..
It really feels like industry 4.0 is an opportunity to restore focus to actual production. It’s always felt like an afterthought with past top down digitalization initiatives.
After watching Walker talk about OPC UA for the past month, I have learned more than any paid course I have ever taken, the sad part is that one course I took said that OPC UA was open source & can talk to ERP for the edge. I know there is more to design however, like Walker always says...how do you scale that? You don't
Can you please make a separate video where you elaborate on the "Unified Namespace"? Is it a kind of API software form of Digital Twin recieving all data?
Excellent stuff, Walker. Although I wonder whenever you refer to "Business", there is a great focus on "producing and shipping things" and not at all on designing (R&D) and maintaining (after market) things. For example - one of the large IT budget suckers outside of ERP is PLM system (and that space is also undergoing tremendous changes in the context of Industry 4.0 ). Any reasons for omitting that space? Just saying from the completeness point of view.
Where does Purchasing materials; Project managers; Designers; LEAN manufacturing methodology fit- under which category (also software can be used)? I would like to make a map of all possibilities to improve OEE and improve software usage, this would be helpful
I *really* enjoyed this, thanks! I think we're at a pivotal point with the increasing interest in IIoT, Industry 4.0, the promise of AI/ML, the Autonomous Plant etc. We might be able to convince the CxO's to crack open the IT stranglehold and build an entirely new manufacturing architecture. Hope so anyway! Thanks again. :)
I know very little on the subject, but have been working in manufacturing for around 8 years. The rant is justified, everything you said makes sense and is spot on.
Very good video! Our company is deploying SAP which cost a lot of money and human resources. But still don't care about the MES or IIoT. I really want to show your video to the management team：）
Of Course...the ERP rant. My Story: 1992...My employer's ERP/Accounting/Inventory was Mapics II (which was old even back then). A very good system if you ask me, even by today's standards. They just did not have the automated data input, or much analysis, because IT had trouble with it communicating with other software, and department turf wars. Plus, the interface required terminal skills (which few managers had back then). Spending on Oracle, Epicor, etc. were going to be "the fix" to the "problem". The core problem was transparency, and communication. On that note...is SAP really that much better? Interested in your thoughts.
I LOVE this guy! He had me at, "And the people that are listening to them are becoming dumber." "It's all horse shit. They've been lying to you." Great Rant!
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Really like your videos but here not so sure. 1st connecting ERP to MES/scada/plc is super easy thus all realtime info flows down from the erp to the floor and back up from the floor. Also who wants to run different software for wms, shipping, billing... If you are running 10,20 50 mills you want a unified solution maintained centrally or even in the cloud today. Now MES and scada run locally but some wnet as far as running these centrally too
Noone wants different software for all of these functionalities -- but that is the common thread when we get on site. Data silos grow out of the changing needs of an organization... when there is no minimum technical requirements for your IIoT infrastructure, you can add anything -- and organizations do.
4k 30 fps. The Sony has a 6k sensor that super samples making the 4k really crispy. The biggest bang for your buck investment is definitely Audio. Sennheiser wireless lav mic
Just for reference: th-cam.com/video/T9tahQImuWI/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/QAl2GkhT4Jg/w-d-xo.html I wasn't sure if you already have a video and I wondered if you can speak more to what security is available for industrial networks? What would be the best way to approach designing such plant networks? Does IIoT address security concerns?
Oh my god, you actually think changing the PLC code is going to make a major change in machine efficiency? How much experience did you say you have??? No, the ACTUAL reason highly efficient companies are so efficient is by using decades old technology, like statistical methods, to constantly remove small inefficiencies from their manufacturing process on a daily basis. If you remove a 0.1% inefficiency 100 times in a year, you've gone from 80% to 90%. And companies like Toyota have been doing this for DECADES without Ethernet, IIOT, or any other fancy technologies. They just pay close attention to the real drivers of inefficiency, things most people ignore because they don't think it matters. This isn't new information; it's been out there for half a century now!
What was your favorite part of the rant? Leave a comment with the timestamp!
Well done gentlemen! I think you had another 22 minutes in you!
my climax happened at 06:23. Brutally honest and truthful.... lived and learned as a consultant in my career...
As mostly a career integrator, the whole thing. I wish I had this customer context earlier, but positively I share this with people in integration earlier in their career.
#1(10:25): ... most IIOT people have no idea what they are talking about! Executives who are listening to them are getting dumber. (I can relate having gotten dumber at many conferences, haha).
#1B (7:35): Executives who spent, that should be ashamed of themselves, who spent 7 figures on the ERP to get efficiencies, wasting their money
#2 (6:25): "the information those solutions could provide you ended THERE, THERE!" Karate chops the board at ERP -> MES.
@@cmschleich thank you!
Calling your customers ignorant must be the best closing line!
It's the first time I have heard someone finally put ERP in it's place in this context. An oil/gas customer of mine a while back installed SAP, and you should have heard them go on about how it was going to save the day. It was a total disaster. So many problems to get it to fit their operations. And absolutely no other system was allowed to connect to it. The IT department simply refused. It was like SAP was in an ivory tower. From my limited experience, this is truth Walker!
It's the truth! Most organizations can't get out of their own way Emile! That's why they need to hire experts like Walker and yourself!
8:40 I agree! I'm a software engineer, I worked for IT and Engineering departments, and always have this issues...
My last job, they want to automate a IVR process that according to the head of IT was only possible using 3rd party services bla bla bla... and would not work in real time...
I did it inside the ERP database (SQL) and made it work in real time, I was able to create a POST request calling a REST API that was on the customer side ... all this in SQL ... and guess what... we didn't have a test environment ... did it straight in Production! lol
Great story. Thanks for sharing.
Great video Walker and Zack! Thanks for posting the whole thing.
People starting out with an OEE in the 30's is pretty common. We've seen low 20's. Almost exclusively, they think it's better, especially when they are doing "calculations by hand". There is almost always that shock of the lines and facility being that low and needing to work past that shock and to allowing them to become more efficient.
The data visualization is a big thing. If you've seen Our Hour by Hour Productivity video. Very similar, showing operators what is happening based on real time data of the lines. Big performance boost.
Also with scheduling, understanding what change overs need to happen between runs and scheduling that more efficiently. We run into this a lot in food and bev with allergens.
Wait for the forthcoming Corso series talking about all the "little things" we do to find make processes better, like changing PLC code, like updating HMI screens, most of those are looking at how machines were originally built, and talking to operators and maintenance staff to understand how we can help make their jobs easier. If they know it or not, they are a huge wealth of knowledge and we need to capture that.
Amazing response Corso!! Best in Class MES Enterprise Integrator!
@@4.0Solutions Thanks so much, it means a lot coming from you guys!
Excellent response... thank you for chiming in guys... love ur MES vids... we think a lot alike.
I'm sorry, but visualizing OEE has nothing to do with buzzwords like Industry 4.0. It's just a simple calculation and it can be done on the simplest platforms available or control systems that cost seven figures. Even doing the calculation once a day on a calculator can be valuable. Yeah, it's an important gauge of the business and should drive efforts to improvement. Don't convolute it with this IIOT nonsense! I've seen companies that have no idea what their OEE is because they don't bother to collect any machine efficiency data even though they have all the resources they need to do it.
This is a true joy to watch. You can switch out some of the manufacturing specific 'stations' for those in your own industry and the same lessons seem to apply.
Honestly, your whiteboard videos are definitely my favorite. I'd love to see some more of these!
More to come!!!
OMG! What a lesson! I don't work in any industries -- I'm just an English as second language teacher trying to find interesting videos for a student who is an engineer working in the food industry. I don't understand any of this, but I feel like this is gold and that we'll be able to have very interesting discussions in the upcoming classes with this video. I'm excited to understand the overall ideas behind all these systems (and I'll make him explain them to me lol). Thank you for the video and for the honesty in it. Just one question, though: I've just realized the video is from 2 years ago. Is all of this still true nowadays? (from the comments I can see it probably is)
Thanks Barbara! Yes you have found gold 😊
Thank you for providing a holistic picture....I completely resonate with you that most of our plants need to comply I3.0 before jumping into I4.0.....
Thanks for sharing!
You mean WHOLEHISTIC?
The authority with which you talk is simply great and that shows the vast real experience you have in manufacturing IT domain. Very impressed with all your content. Grateful to you Walker and your team.
Thank you 🙏
I have no background by education. By career, I worked for a railroad wayside monitoring system which used PLC and SCADA systems and Oracle for database with several optical scan cams and sensors.
What is MES?
What is HMI?
Can I request you to elaborate each acronym at least once at the beginning or on the first use? It helps people like me to understand and learn IIOT without self-doubt.
I want to thank you for your authoritative talks. I can hear and see how much experience you have in this field. You are a master!
Yes! We added this to our lists of videos to create!
Thank you. Loved it. Still true five years later. The Boing did not age that well, sadly. But for other reasons. Came here from the DM talks. Thanks for the great content.
We’re glad you enjoyed it!
simply superb Mr Walker....crystal clear. I am looking to deploy MES in 2022 and want to explain executive the benefits or ROI. This is best video available to have my thought process clear..
Glad it was helpful!
Perfect summary of my daily struggles! Thanks for the great video!
Thanks so much! Would love to have you join our community Discord server.
Walker at his best !! Finally someone putting the ERP in its place !
Let's go!
Just remembered when an Industry expert shares knowledge with us in College. Excellent Explanation! On point!
Glad it was helpful!
It really feels like industry 4.0 is an opportunity to restore focus to actual production. It’s always felt like an afterthought with past top down digitalization initiatives.
loved the explanation on the OEE's👍
This channel and all the content is amazing. A real gem. Thank you
Glad you enjoy it!
Where the link from design to get the product into the operational area - ERP onwards?
You’re so influential. I’m bit happy about your ranting as I quite relate.
Kudos man 👍
Thank you Mohamed!
After watching Walker talk about OPC UA for the past month, I have learned more than any paid course I have ever taken, the sad part is that one course I took said that OPC UA was open source & can talk to ERP for the edge. I know there is more to design however, like Walker always says...how do you scale that?
You don't
Can you please make a separate video where you elaborate on the "Unified Namespace"?
Is it a kind of API software form of Digital Twin recieving all data?
Stay tuned! We just recorded a vid on UNS that will post in a few days and gives you a fuller picture.
Excellent stuff, Walker. Although I wonder whenever you refer to "Business", there is a great focus on "producing and shipping things" and not at all on designing (R&D) and maintaining (after market) things. For example - one of the large IT budget suckers outside of ERP is PLM system (and that space is also undergoing tremendous changes in the context of Industry 4.0 ). Any reasons for omitting that space? Just saying from the completeness point of view.
Where does Purchasing materials; Project managers; Designers; LEAN manufacturing methodology fit- under which category (also software can be used)? I would like to make a map of all possibilities to improve OEE and improve software usage, this would be helpful
Great question! We added this to our video ideas Remy!
I *really* enjoyed this, thanks!
I think we're at a pivotal point with the increasing interest in IIoT, Industry 4.0, the promise of AI/ML, the Autonomous Plant etc. We might be able to convince the CxO's to crack open the IT stranglehold and build an entirely new manufacturing architecture. Hope so anyway!
Thanks again. :)
Benjamin Ooooookay then...
Thanks for sharing! We agree!
Wow.......What an excellent presentation !!
Thank you Umesh! When you get a chance, we invite you to join the Industry 4.0 Community Discord Server! www.intellic.online/discord
Such an excellent video for a 3 week old in Industry 4.0., with no manufacturing experience.
I mean critical thinking inputs and insights, which operational vocabulary can't give.
The DNA of your business. I get the sense you were holding back on the rant portion of this :)
Thank you Kyle!
One if the best real life examples of how a business needs to think differently to grow.
Thank you Leon!
Informative videos . Could you please create some video on RAMI 4.0
Thanks for the suggestion!
I know very little on the subject, but have been working in manufacturing for around 8 years. The rant is justified, everything you said makes sense and is spot on.
Thank you!!!!
Your videos are gold and your channel is the gold mine
LET'S GO! Thank you for that! Would love for you to join our Community Discord Server here: www.iiot.university/discord
Oh my, that IT dept rant is very relatable
OEE is by far the most fundamental 1st step to kickstarting a digital transformation. Please become a genius 1st then start on your path to 4.0
Very good video! Our company is deploying SAP which cost a lot of money and human resources. But still don't care about the MES or IIoT. I really want to show your video to the management team：）
Good luck!
Thanks for sharing! Adding this video to our weekly live list!
OEE explained less than a minute. Thanks!
Glad it helped!
Of Course...the ERP rant. My Story: 1992...My employer's ERP/Accounting/Inventory was Mapics II (which was old even back then). A very good system if you ask me, even by today's standards. They just did not have the automated data input, or much analysis, because IT had trouble with it communicating with other software, and department turf wars. Plus, the interface required terminal skills (which few managers had back then). Spending on Oracle, Epicor, etc. were going to be "the fix" to the "problem". The core problem was transparency, and communication. On that note...is SAP really that much better? Interested in your thoughts.
Thanks for sharing your story Charles! We will have to do a video on that!!!
Great breakdown very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
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Knowledgeable video. The shocking part was the OEE figure !!
Thank you!
I LOVE this guy! He had me at, "And the people that are listening to them are becoming dumber." "It's all horse shit. They've been lying to you." Great Rant!
LOL! 😂
Spot on !!!
Awesome rant, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
With IT do you mean the Field Service Technicians or are you including the Applications team as well?
IT Department... CIO CTO DBA Techs.... Etc.
AWESOME, thanks.
Thank you mazonetto!
we love the video walker! any interest in giving this or a similar rant to our large webinar audience?
💯 we would love to. Please reach out to vaughn.turner@intellicintegration.com for scheduling. We only ask that we get a copy of the recordings of any guest podcast or webinar we are on. 👍
thank you
5:30 best part for me :)
Thanks so much Mohammed!
Indeed, not only manufacturing, in the telecom world too, they are conservative (ERPs)
"I promise you I will humiliate you on camera!" ... Boom!
i doubt this :) IIOT is just another market
Excellent points made.
Thank you!
IIOT also called as Industry 4.0?
IIoT is a subset of industry 4.0.
Really like your videos but here not so sure. 1st connecting ERP to MES/scada/plc is super easy thus all realtime info flows down from the erp to the floor and back up from the floor. Also who wants to run different software for wms, shipping, billing... If you are running 10,20 50 mills you want a unified solution maintained centrally or even in the cloud today. Now MES and scada run locally but some wnet as far as running these centrally too
Noone wants different software for all of these functionalities -- but that is the common thread when we get on site. Data silos grow out of the changing needs of an organization... when there is no minimum technical requirements for your IIoT infrastructure, you can add anything -- and organizations do.
Nice shirt!
Thank you!
Shooting in 60 FPS?
4k 30 fps. The Sony has a 6k sensor that super samples making the 4k really crispy. The biggest bang for your buck investment is definitely Audio. Sennheiser wireless lav mic
Luv the statement. Most folks waste money on erp👍
Thank you DB K!
Amazing.
Love this
Thank you Andreas!
The reason IT resists is that for some reason they've come to believe that the organization was built to sustain their role. Period.
When an IT person does their job well... They aren't actually doing anything. 😂 It's all automated and rule based.
8:30 holy sh!t this is so true.
Glad you agree!
That engine that runs unified namespace is actually the new middleware.
Yes referred to as a Broker.
Epicor CRM is such a scam 😂 sunken cost fallacy hits hard
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Just for reference: th-cam.com/video/T9tahQImuWI/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/QAl2GkhT4Jg/w-d-xo.html
I wasn't sure if you already have a video and I wondered if you can speak more to what security is available for industrial networks? What would be the best way to approach designing such plant networks? Does IIoT address security concerns?
Oh my god, you actually think changing the PLC code is going to make a major change in machine efficiency? How much experience did you say you have??? No, the ACTUAL reason highly efficient companies are so efficient is by using decades old technology, like statistical methods, to constantly remove small inefficiencies from their manufacturing process on a daily basis. If you remove a 0.1% inefficiency 100 times in a year, you've gone from 80% to 90%. And companies like Toyota have been doing this for DECADES without Ethernet, IIOT, or any other fancy technologies. They just pay close attention to the real drivers of inefficiency, things most people ignore because they don't think it matters. This isn't new information; it's been out there for half a century now!
Mm. This guy is cute...
Lol! Thanks!