Beautiful video, many thanks! Just ordered one of these from Mark with TTX and 97mm reflys to replace my old illuminati. Can't wait to see what it's capable of.
I am trying to make my setup work better and your pumping looks quite easy (compared to the effort I have to put in) while having basically the same parts. So I would like to know what the effective baseplate angle of your front truck is, if the bushings are rather lose and if you use the 3°wedge of the torsion tail. Thanks.
Hello front angle is around 58 degrees. Bushings are medium/hard but they do feel softer at speed (using xl poppy so cant compare to normal truck durometers). I do use the angled riser for the torsion tail. I think it's mostly body mechanics and having a setup that harmonizes with your rhytm
@@nat-lj8kt I settled for 60° and had a good time push/pump 37 km. The original kingpin broke by the way. The truck is only 4 months old but I guess me being close to 100kg and the extreme angles were to much.
@@TheDetektiveConan higher degree angles reduce kingpin life. You should replace kingpins regularly anyway. I used to break kingpins every 40kms when pumping top mount with a double spherical then switched to Poppy XL with pivot cup so I don't worry now. How may kms did you ride before it broke can you guesstimate?
Wow I watched the whole video. It's so relaxing! I also read the complete comment section and must say that you can learn a lot from there. I think your high speed has also to do with the good pavement. If I dont want to play with the angles (you said you are also at 58°) is there anything speaking against the SDF? Apart from that I only see advantages (weight + prize) while height remains the same... For the truck I'm thinking about using a Beernett. For the rear would you recommend a TTA or rather a TTX at my ~78kg? And with which bushings?
The SDF is lighter but it also brings the wheels much closer to the board. it helps with leverage while pumping but I have wheel bite issues with the SDF while running DT poppy's. Bennett or DT bhangers is okay though. For the rear I'd go with the TTX only because you can go extremely soft if you need to, even run it without bushings
I have no experience on alphas but speed vents are more offset so more rebound at apex of the turn which might be better if purely pumping. If you are push racing some people find alphas faster I'm 90%pumping so went with speed vents and also prefer the bigger size.
Did not use glass drop but for sure a Don't Trip Poppy or an Exile Hydra truck would work, or a Beernett maybe but for that an SDF would be a better coupling I think.
I noticed you have 78A duro wheels in the back and 80A at the front. What exactly is the explanation for this? I know you'd want some stability in the back, but does the front wheel not need to be sticky too to pump? (I was thinking of getting different duro for a surfskate setup but didn't know which would need to be grippier and why) Also, if anyone knows if there is an advantage to be had by having one truck higher than the other I'd greatly appreciate it. ;)
Greetings, my control and mass on the front truck is more than the my mass and control on the torsion tail. Because of this, the front grips harder and also the urethane compresses more. Using a softer wheel on the back helps with grip where as harder front helps with speed since I already have the grip I need because of my center of mass. At least that's the theory.
Wheel lift does not affect efficiency tbh. I don't notice it when riding but only after I examine the footage. If the front is too soft, the back will be prone to lift always. When using TTA with a torsion style (no vertical jump pumps like top mount) I don't get wheel lift.
Perfect pushers. They are low and stable because of the torsion tail rear. You can push switch/mongo etc with ease and not get tired and of course mix it up with pumping whenever you like as well. Only thing is TTA likes speed when pumping so you nees to keep the tempo/speed
@@nat-lj8kt Thanks for getting back on that! Just ordered parts to build out a deck. Went with a Poppy set to zero degree for my back truck to start. You're using the 152mm poppy on this setup right? Thanks again man.
@@isansimpson2056 yupp using 152mm poppy. Narrower may work better for wiggle style but I think wider is more fun with deep carves and can wiggle just as fast. Once you're going fast it doesn't really matter I think
@@isansimpson2056 75a and 80a on poppy. TTA is stock I did not touch the bushings that came with it. The front poppy does not translate to a standard 75-80a bushing. It feels more like a 90a maybe because of the big kingpin. On a more standard truck I use at least 90a when speed pumping since I need all the rebound. For the front truck, higher angle needs softer bushings and vice versa
@@popeye7833 its 152mm Poppy but the kingpin is thicker than normal, thus the XL. Because of thick kignpin it has beefy Riptide Magnum bushings that are drilled for the bigger kingpin. Yes they are 75a and 80a but it does not translate to a standard 75-80a bushing. It feels more like a 90a maybe because of the modified design. With to mount and standard kingpin trucks I do prefer Riptide fatcone bushings, 90-95a front in that case.
Hi mate, nice setup. I have just about an identical one and am struggling to sustain over 16kph. What made you chose the magnum bushings over a fat cone? Cheers
Using Magnums because the PoppyXL has a larger kingpin so material is lost because of that from the middle. I think speed depends on flat, wind, weight, technique, wheels, width, bushings and also angles etc. Very hard to point out in how to increase speed other than experimenting with things you can control. Harder bushings in the front generally increased my speed or maybe a smaller front angle, make it take more effort, rebound more and go beast mode! That's me though
@@nat-lj8kt Thanks for that. I’m 90KG’s and was on a 13 deg exile fork. Skating smooth, flat concrete, devoid of wind. Was getting deck bite from my 85mm Speed Vents with a 93a Krank fat cone so wedged to 62. Recently purchased a DDR, but haven’t mounted. Hoping the small additional clearance will allow me to use the 85a BS barrel on newly acquired Exile Hydra. Thanks again 🤙🏻
@@adamk3244 sounds like a good idea. When you get down to 57 from 62 bushings will become softer so maybe even a harder boardside bushing with the DDR could work. Wheelbite should not be an issue with DDR anyway
@@nat-lj8kt Hope so. I bought a 55 Hydra so the DDR wedge will be minimal. I have a 90a tall Krank barrel from my top mount Bhanger experimentation. So now just trying to decide if I push my shop owner to get me a Hydra V3 to use or just mount the V2.
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Beautiful video, many thanks! Just ordered one of these from Mark with TTX and 97mm reflys to replace my old illuminati. Can't wait to see what it's capable of.
So satisfying to watch.This looks like my dream board and setup.My life will be complete the day i can afford something like this..
Top mount with a nonzero degree truck will be more surfy but if you want even more surfy feeling you could also get a surfskate:)
Your front bushing is Barrel green 75a
I am trying to make my setup work better and your pumping looks quite easy (compared to the effort I have to put in) while having basically the same parts. So I would like to know what the effective baseplate angle of your front truck is, if the bushings are rather lose and if you use the 3°wedge of the torsion tail.
Thanks.
Hello front angle is around 58 degrees. Bushings are medium/hard but they do feel softer at speed (using xl poppy so cant compare to normal truck durometers). I do use the angled riser for the torsion tail. I think it's mostly body mechanics and having a setup that harmonizes with your rhytm
@@nat-lj8kt Thanks for your reply. Hm I had my poppy at 69° and now at 63°.It wasn't fun at 69° and now it's alright. I'll try 58° next👍🏻.
@@TheDetektiveConan I'm glad it worked out. I think 55-60 is ideal for pumping. Maybe even up to 63 but 69 is definitely too much to pump effectively
@@nat-lj8kt I settled for 60° and had a good time push/pump 37 km. The original kingpin broke by the way. The truck is only 4 months old but I guess me being close to 100kg and the extreme angles were to much.
@@TheDetektiveConan higher degree angles reduce kingpin life. You should replace kingpins regularly anyway. I used to break kingpins every 40kms when pumping top mount with a double spherical then switched to Poppy XL with pivot cup so I don't worry now. How may kms did you ride before it broke can you guesstimate?
Wow I watched the whole video. It's so relaxing!
I also read the complete comment section and must say that you can learn a lot from there.
I think your high speed has also to do with the good pavement.
If I dont want to play with the angles (you said you are also at 58°) is there anything speaking against the SDF? Apart from that I only see advantages (weight + prize) while height remains the same...
For the truck I'm thinking about using a Beernett.
For the rear would you recommend a TTA or rather a TTX at my ~78kg? And with which bushings?
The SDF is lighter but it also brings the wheels much closer to the board. it helps with leverage while pumping but I have wheel bite issues with the SDF while running DT poppy's. Bennett or DT bhangers is okay though. For the rear I'd go with the TTX only because you can go extremely soft if you need to, even run it without bushings
Can you compare the speed vents with the alphas on this setup? Which one would better works for pumping?
I have no experience on alphas but speed vents are more offset so more rebound at apex of the turn which might be better if purely pumping. If you are push racing some people find alphas faster I'm 90%pumping so went with speed vents and also prefer the bigger size.
Hi! Great video!
May I know what hanger width are you running on? and what is the average speed where the pumps are able to maintain?
Thank you :) I'm running 153mm poppy. Flat ground active sustainable speed is around 25-28km/h for me. 20km/h is comfortable pump.
@@nat-lj8kt wow 20-25 is plenty speedy!
Which front truck would you prefer for the Glass Drop in combination with the TTA?
Did not use glass drop but for sure a Don't Trip Poppy or an Exile Hydra truck would work, or a Beernett maybe but for that an SDF would be a better coupling I think.
are these setups efficient long distance? can you push regular ? good at high speeds?
I noticed you have 78A duro wheels in the back and 80A at the front. What exactly is the explanation for this? I know you'd want some stability in the back, but does the front wheel not need to be sticky too to pump? (I was thinking of getting different duro for a surfskate setup but didn't know which would need to be grippier and why)
Also, if anyone knows if there is an advantage to be had by having one truck higher than the other I'd greatly appreciate it. ;)
Greetings, my control and mass on the front truck is more than the my mass and control on the torsion tail. Because of this, the front grips harder and also the urethane compresses more. Using a softer wheel on the back helps with grip where as harder front helps with speed since I already have the grip I need because of my center of mass. At least that's the theory.
On a surfskate I don't recommend this. Unless the wheelbase is huge, your weight is more evenly distributed
@@hodor888 thanks for the clarification. Definitely helps making a decision on what wheels to get. :D
is that a flat road ? cause it's amazing how fast you are going
99% of the time yes. Seaside paths. Some slight up or downhills but wind affects speed more than a very low inline
Hi Natan ! Did you experience wheel lifting with the TT-A ? I’m in doubt if I order the TT-A or TT-X, I would like the most efficient one.
Wheel lift does not affect efficiency tbh. I don't notice it when riding but only after I examine the footage. If the front is too soft, the back will be prone to lift always. When using TTA with a torsion style (no vertical jump pumps like top mount) I don't get wheel lift.
@@nat-lj8kt Thank you !!! 🙂👊🏻
@@nat-lj8kt What was your weight in this video ? Your exodus deck is flex I or II ?
@@leonardoramidan deck is stiff version and I'm around 85-90kg I guess
@@nat-lj8kt Do you think the stiff version would work for a 80kg person ?
how are these boards for just pushing? I'm into pumping, for sure, but have always wondered how they feel if you just felt like pushing.
Perfect pushers. They are low and stable because of the torsion tail rear. You can push switch/mongo etc with ease and not get tired and of course mix it up with pumping whenever you like as well. Only thing is TTA likes speed when pumping so you nees to keep the tempo/speed
@@nat-lj8kt Thanks for getting back on that! Just ordered parts to build out a deck. Went with a Poppy set to zero degree for my back truck to start. You're using the 152mm poppy on this setup right? Thanks again man.
@@isansimpson2056 yupp using 152mm poppy. Narrower may work better for wiggle style but I think wider is more fun with deep carves and can wiggle just as fast. Once you're going fast it doesn't really matter I think
@@nat-lj8kt what bushings you running on your poppy and tta? I’m having trouble dialing in. Also the kingpin is fuckin ridiculous lol.
@@isansimpson2056 75a and 80a on poppy. TTA is stock I did not touch the bushings that came with it. The front poppy does not translate to a standard 75-80a bushing. It feels more like a 90a maybe because of the big kingpin. On a more standard truck I use at least 90a when speed pumping since I need all the rebound. For the front truck, higher angle needs softer bushings and vice versa
What is Poppy XL Truck , you have truck Poppys , what is the difference with XL ?
your bushing is Tall Barrel or Barrel ? seems to be
green clear road side
you mean the Hanger is the wide 170 mm maybe
@@popeye7833 its 152mm Poppy but the kingpin is thicker than normal, thus the XL. Because of thick kignpin it has beefy Riptide Magnum bushings that are drilled for the bigger kingpin. Yes they are 75a and 80a but it does not translate to a standard 75-80a bushing. It feels more like a 90a maybe because of the modified design. With to mount and standard kingpin trucks I do prefer Riptide fatcone bushings, 90-95a front in that case.
@@nat-lj8kt i don't think the size bushing change the duro .They are bigger but not stronger i think , just bigger bounce maybe .
Hi, is it the 55° baseplate? Spherical in Pivot?
Not spherical in pivot. Single spherical in hanger 55 degree but it's wedged
@@nat-lj8kt Hi Nat, why you choose the larger hanger?
@@honolulujuicer7573 you mean 150mm? Better for big carves but worst for wiggling. I like to do both so decided to go larger hanger size
Which Bushings did you use for the TTA?
Stock green bushings on TTA
@@nat-lj8kt both cubes and cones?
@@honolulujuicer7573 yes all stock green cube & cone. I did not experiment with bushings on TTA
@@nat-lj8kt sorry Nat for asking so much. What ja the orange thing between the green cubes in the TTA?
@@honolulujuicer7573 it's just reflective red tape for mini visibility :)
Hi mate, nice setup. I have just about an identical one and am struggling to sustain over 16kph. What made you chose the magnum bushings over a fat cone? Cheers
Using Magnums because the PoppyXL has a larger kingpin so material is lost because of that from the middle. I think speed depends on flat, wind, weight, technique, wheels, width, bushings and also angles etc. Very hard to point out in how to increase speed other than experimenting with things you can control. Harder bushings in the front generally increased my speed or maybe a smaller front angle, make it take more effort, rebound more and go beast mode! That's me though
@@nat-lj8kt Thanks for that. I’m 90KG’s and was on a 13 deg exile fork. Skating smooth, flat concrete, devoid of wind.
Was getting deck bite from my 85mm Speed Vents with a 93a Krank fat cone so wedged to 62.
Recently purchased a DDR, but haven’t mounted. Hoping the small additional clearance will allow me to use the 85a BS barrel on newly acquired Exile Hydra.
Thanks again 🤙🏻
@@adamk3244 sounds like a good idea. When you get down to 57 from 62 bushings will become softer so maybe even a harder boardside bushing with the DDR could work. Wheelbite should not be an issue with DDR anyway
@@nat-lj8kt Hope so. I bought a 55 Hydra so the DDR wedge will be minimal. I have a 90a tall Krank barrel from my top mount Bhanger experimentation. So now just trying to decide if I push my shop owner to get me a Hydra V3 to use or just mount the V2.