I can see a certain logic to breaking down the heroes as well as their Exclusive Skills. Having lots of useless high-level heroes artificially inflates your CP and makes it harder to transfer servers, which is also an issue a lot of players have complained about. And I'm not against the idea of potentially getting back some universal hero shards from old heroes as well as exclusive skill shards. However, it will come down to how well thought out and executed their plan is, and this is Rivergame we're talking about. Edit: And I REALLY hope they don't mess with the rare and regular hero skills in the process. It's taken me a long time to build up what I've got.
Thank you Wes . We need as many votes as possible. It takes just 5 seconds to vote and so : more and more people are behind us . Coordination is the KEY
To the fresh players who watched this video: The problem of hero recycling is not just a problem for old users. This is a problem that will happen to you in the future as well. We ask for your active participation in resolving the problem.
It could all be so easy. Hero skill to recycle. But RG sees this as a problem with your sales/profit. That's why something so complicated is created in order to maintain or increase sales/profit. It's all crazy how expensive this game is and will be.
This thing about recyclement of old excl skills was a crazy idea from the beginning. Rivergame is a business and need to make money. So then can not help give you something for free. This is a matter for: be very careful what you wish for, you may get it. And now you are unhappy about what you are getting.
Hey tme, currently at 2400 hp and atk , 300dmg-,340dmg+. Am I better off recycling all purple equipment to get all gold and remold or keeping the purple for equipment for encirclement purposes?
River games require you to have eyes that can see the big forest. I hope they realize that they are ruining the game with immediate sales. T-me, show me your strength! I cheer for you.
If the prices go up, I don't think the customers will be satisfied. The new customers who come into the game, I don't think their persistence will last very long if the prices continue to rise. Of course, rich people can spend as much as they want, but topwar loses a lot of loyal 20-80€/month spenders, which the game needs to stay on the market. A great episode.
I'm worried that the same thing will happen that happened with the fixed top war movement 😢 where a bunch of us jumped into support the unfair things river game was doing. With little to no progress. I'm still going to do my part and do the questionnaire because I like top war it's a great game but my hopes of river game hearing or listening is near zero 😞.
Rivergame doesnt do math, most of players also. If you want to keep a certain power, then you wont recycle indestructible hero cos we lack of. You wont recycle megatron optimus mei silence...cos they provide permanent buff. Wich leave very few hero to recycle to provide shard (cos we havent up those bad hero). Anyway i see no reason to party.
There is NO REASON to party as upgrading new heroes to max will cost FAR more . Very important point regarding the old heroes with passive buffs , Franck
I have 80 M CP and still won't pay for level 7 skills if the price goes up that definitely won't make me buy them if I already don't. If I was able to recycle some I would buy some skills to fill the rest if the price is the same .
Thanks for another good video. I can again waste my time & write how all should stop spending so they will finally listen. But like I said I keep wasting my time. A universal boycott is the only way they will ever listen to us. If they raise the prices I am out, selling my account
Can you stop with analogy which have no link with the matter and explain things clearly. I watched the entire video and have still absolutely no clue what change RiverGame may consider for June …
From what I can tell, instead of only recycling the Exclusive Hero Skills, Rivergame is considering resetting all the heroes and their Exclusive Skills back to zero, giving some sort of compensation for it and then you build up the heroes you want.
The leaks we have say : a hero reset + new way to max a hero will be far more expensive. It’s not easy to get access to this type of info’s . And rivergame tried to keep it quiet and hit us with this overnight
@t-me8295 So, do you think it would he best to stop working on heroes and hero perks until we know more? F*ck, just thought about having to spend more gems to redo the perks I've already got set. Not gonna be happy about that.
to be honest I am curious if beside the hero shards we can also get skill shards from old heros including those that you get from recrutiment, I see no value in getting shards from heros that you get from recruitment as I use them as perk farm , but I guess I don't need some heros like nemo anymore so could be useful in some cases but I hope for hero skills shards dismantle into universal shards , otherwise tw move makes not much of sense for players
I get why RG is raising prices.. The recycling tool is just a refund tool for the players. For example, a lvl5 say cost 200 dollars. The refund tool would give 50% back. So player gets back 100 dollars to put towards new hero in which RG only gets 100 dollars for new hero lvl5. So RG resets all the heros, charges 400 dollars for lvl5. Recycle tool gives back 50% and new hero costs player 200 dollars. So RG still gets same price for lvl5
What do you mean? I can play topwar on facebook with little issues. Sometimes the colaboration events won't show up because reasons. But other than that, the day to day game is fine for me
It’s a hero rework on which they are close to finish due to keeping it quiet. Apparently not quite enough as we found out and now try to convince them to stop doing no sense …AGAIN. But we need the community behind us ..just a vote is all it takes to help , Francesco
I'm saving ability chips to create ex skills, I really hope they will have some meaning. I've already voted my friend, as soon as you've created the pools.
I just see this leading to more players leaving the game. It’s expensive enough. I know they are trying to slow down whales a bit but it’s not going to work. They need to have dedicated servers for whales and force player to join these servers once they reach a certain CP. That will cause player to slow down development to stay on the server they want until they can move in a group. Making match ups more entertaining and fair. Also hero reset isn’t a bad idea. A lot of players invested in useless heros and realized after the fact.
Top war doesn't care about doing anything that makes sense they like to "fix" things in the game that AREN'T broken and want to leave things that cause unbalance game play and then wonder why people decide to quit 🤦♂️
Ok. I have no idea what this video is trying to tell me BUT if they want to stop whales, why not reduce thr price for low level Extras and increase them for high level things. Let packages start at 1.99 instead of 4.99 and charge 199 for the highest instead of only 99. Simple
Our suggestion: hero special skill recycling tool Their idea : reset all heroes (which sounds good ) but after : maxing a hero (like now : 5stars) will be far far more expensive. Not worth the trade and it’s bad . Especially for f2p , low , medium spenders
As a game designer, I'm disgusted by how these developers operate. I understand how all this can be justified by saying people play the game simply to progress (and adding more room to progress must be good) but there's aspects to the game that are MISSING. Like, army exclusive skill boxes from AD or whatever automatically set the bar to max opens, while navy ones default to just 1. Things like the wall decor are so unfathomably bad i cant even begin to comprehend it. This game is built to attract money, and I'm now going to hand off my account. 2 years and 2 months of playing, but I'm vip0 so they won't care. They truly won't. Ive been wondering when i would have enough of this bs. Topwar is fun but it makes so many more bad decisions than good ones. 2 years and 2 months, i still can't compete with 6 month old average accounts, i still don’t have morale, I'm still only level 90 on my air force suppressions, i still dont have 2 heroes perked, i still dont have a level 7 es, even if i pool all my es shards and multiply them by 2 (ive bought almost every es box from events), i still only have 6 skins, including basic, recruit, and open stage, I still only have 2 gold equip (just got my second), and perhaps worst of all, despite being an air force main, i have not had a single chance to obtain maximo with gems. Peace yall. Hope you still have fun
Great analysis buddy and great summary of the reality out there for f2p . As a developer you can understand this better : I would say , stats are irrelevant IF THE match making is far as possible. Big battle events can NOT provide that …small battle can. I still have hope …yes is running on reserves indeed .
Want to get them to listen to you? Speaking to them has not worked in the past and will not work in the future. Point out all the shit they are doing, unequal pricing packs across different countries, titan effects, questionable matchmaking systems, 100% refund on old hero skill shards etc. Get everyone to stop spending until they fix those issues. Sooner or later when their revenue dives, their shareholders are going to question the developers and with their jobs at stake, you will have them begging to listen to you.
It's crazy. I've been playing these browser mmorts games for years and I've never come across a game so ridiculously expensive especially when what they're offering is usually some skin or deco.
Then allow me to mention a couple of games which you should NEVER START: guns of glory , lords mobile …TOPWAR got expensive absolutely yes …but those games are 10 times more expensive. No joke
I love your videos. But this one…. I have absolutely no idea what you’ve just tried to explain to us. The left ear right ear was the most confusing analogy I’ve ever heard
Let me explain again . We agree that the old heroes which are useless must be addressed: We ask for a hero special skill recycle tool They , river game : do a full rework ..resetting them , BUT maxing a hero will cost far more . Overall is not an acceptable idea at all
It's the point. Your right ear is twitchy, and RiverGames says the only way to fix it it is to use your left hand. That's because they need confusion to hide their bad customer practices.
Universal skill recycling will mostly benefit a small number of old, high-spending players. A 1yr old server will be able to recycle a bit, which is great, but older players will get lvl 7 everything and increase inequality.
This is an extremely strange way of understanding what I have been trying to explain with this video . I can assure you : I’m not promoting RG’s apps. You missed the point (message) of the video by a very long shot
Repent you are very wrong. T-me is doing the complete opposite!! He was able to retire from his work younger than most of us & then spends many hours making/editing these Videos & trust me is not getting compensated from Rivergames at all. He is just trying to help with his free time. A thank you should be the minimum you should be writing. Also the huge long list of issues with TW is our fault. They are clearly a greedy immoral company but we continue to spend which feeds their greed & also so why would they listen to us ?!? If you want to be helpful too try like I have many times to get people to stop spending or I constantly contact my rep at Rivergames to complain & make suggestions. I wish more would do what he, I & others are doing! Imagine if all would stop spending?!? Imagine if all would bombard their support with complaints?!? Please dont complain here. Use that time to complain to Rivergames.
I stopped donating to the game at all, after what they did with the selection to TA 2, the balance to TA 2, and the situation with the heroes on the new servers with their bestial attitude, if necessary, we can boycott the game, not enter the game for several days, a week, so that the fall of online would bring them to their senses and change their bestial attitude towards the players.
100% agreed but we have to do this together last boycott I saw some big server and some guys but like 70 to 80% peoples played and nothing happens at all
We are reaching out to them and soon we will have some news . We are working hard and trying our best . Have a little more fate dear brother . Of course, drop your spending till then . Enjoy the loot quest
It all comes down to how many players are supporting us . But regardless of how high or low the support will be , we are reaching out to them (river game) and hope to have news for you guys soon . Have a little bit more fate , dear brother.
I can see a certain logic to breaking down the heroes as well as their Exclusive Skills. Having lots of useless high-level heroes artificially inflates your CP and makes it harder to transfer servers, which is also an issue a lot of players have complained about. And I'm not against the idea of potentially getting back some universal hero shards from old heroes as well as exclusive skill shards.
However, it will come down to how well thought out and executed their plan is, and this is Rivergame we're talking about.
Edit: And I REALLY hope they don't mess with the rare and regular hero skills in the process. It's taken me a long time to build up what I've got.
I hadn't considered the CP being inflated with unused heros. Good point.
Thanks for the video! I wasn’t aware the polls were in Channel Community tab!!
Thank you Wes . We need as many votes as possible.
It takes just 5 seconds to vote and so : more and more people are behind us . Coordination is the KEY
Where is the poll?
To the fresh players who watched this video:
The problem of hero recycling is not just a problem for old users.
This is a problem that will happen to you in the future as well.
We ask for your active participation in resolving the problem.
It could all be so easy. Hero skill to recycle. But RG sees this as a problem with your sales/profit. That's why something so complicated is created in order to maintain or increase sales/profit. It's all crazy how expensive this game is and will be.
Thank you so much.. Waiting for the next episode
Thank you Nemesis
And Economics agrees with you. Counterbalancing declining users by raising prices will just accelerate the decline.
Absolutely. This is common knowledge…well ..probably not in china yet 😂.
This thing about recyclement of old excl skills was a crazy idea from the beginning. Rivergame is a business and need to make money. So then can not help give you something for free. This is a matter for: be very careful what you wish for, you may get it. And now you are unhappy about what you are getting.
Timmy, i love You!! Cant Thank You enough,!
River game wants us to quit this game
They only persons which deserve to quit are this employees with severe knowledge issues on many topics
It’d be so great for a simple exchange for skills. Even a 50-60 % exchange rate is better than nothing.
Yes Vik. That’s our request
Hey tme, currently at 2400 hp and atk , 300dmg-,340dmg+. Am I better off recycling all purple equipment to get all gold and remold or keeping the purple for equipment for encirclement purposes?
I. Preparing a video just about that
When is the exclusive Shards recycling update coming????
River games require you to have eyes that can see the big forest.
I hope they realize that they are ruining the game with immediate sales.
T-me, show me your strength! I cheer for you.
Yeah, I would like to see some sort of recycle for gold shards as well as the skills. Tons of unused stuff out there after playing for a few years.
Absolutely Dani
If the prices go up, I don't think the customers will be satisfied. The new customers who come into the game, I don't think their persistence will last very long if the prices continue to rise. Of course, rich people can spend as much as they want, but topwar loses a lot of loyal 20-80€/month spenders, which the game needs to stay on the market. A great episode.
I'm worried that the same thing will happen that happened with the fixed top war movement 😢 where a bunch of us jumped into support the unfair things river game was doing. With little to no progress. I'm still going to do my part and do the questionnaire because I like top war it's a great game but my hopes of river game hearing or listening is near zero 😞.
Rivergame doesnt do math, most of players also.
If you want to keep a certain power, then you wont recycle indestructible hero cos we lack of.
You wont recycle megatron optimus mei silence...cos they provide permanent buff.
Wich leave very few hero to recycle to provide shard (cos we havent up those bad hero).
Anyway i see no reason to party.
There is NO REASON to party as upgrading new heroes to max will cost FAR more .
Very important point regarding the old heroes with passive buffs , Franck
Any update on timing and scope of change?
Not yet. We are still on the process of agreeing on the time and date for the meeting
That's um.. you're left ear? Now i don't know what to trust....?
It’s my right ear. Trust me , I know cause it mine 😂
I have 80 M CP and still won't pay for level 7 skills if the price goes up that definitely won't make me buy them if I already don't. If I was able to recycle some I would buy some skills to fill the rest if the price is the same .
Can you guess your bet on svs round 11 ,,,,,,you did me good on round ten thank you
Thanks for another good video. I can again waste my time & write how all should stop spending so they will finally listen. But like I said I keep wasting my time. A universal boycott is the only way they will ever listen to us. If they raise the prices I am out, selling my account
We have reached out to them and will announce you guys as soon as possible. No stress my dear .
Keep your wallet as closed as possible till then
Hello, can anybody tell me when the next Titan Gear R&D will come up?
Thanks in advance
It’s roughly every 3 months I think
Sorry to hijack off topic but did server WZ get dead ? I only see WZ-SVS
This is the first time I've seen WZ SvS like this.
It’s poorly worded in your mail, wz svs looks to be the new wz
It's servers you paired in actual svs
Cause a new one is coming
A new one is coming Tom
Raising prices? It's a good idea for me to sell my account. 😝
If they go this route they might as well delete over half the heroes as no one will upgrade them.
Boycott 100% together no one online for 2 to 3 days I am sure they understand what gonna happen when there is no one play the game
If that what it takes for them to listen ….well ..they can’t say : it was unforeseeable
Lol….it was allready tried to do a boycott dont buy anything for 2 days….but hey also the callers of the boycott hasnt followed this--
Can you stop with analogy which have no link with the matter and explain things clearly. I watched the entire video and have still absolutely no clue what change RiverGame may consider for June …
From what I can tell, instead of only recycling the Exclusive Hero Skills, Rivergame is considering resetting all the heroes and their Exclusive Skills back to zero, giving some sort of compensation for it and then you build up the heroes you want.
The leaks we have say : a hero reset + new way to max a hero will be far more expensive.
It’s not easy to get access to this type of info’s . And rivergame tried to keep it quiet and hit us with this overnight
Yes …it comes with a very high price : maxing a hero will cost far far more than now
@t-me8295 So, do you think it would he best to stop working on heroes and hero perks until we know more?
F*ck, just thought about having to spend more gems to redo the perks I've already got set. Not gonna be happy about that.
The part from 1:38 to 2:00 is cristal clear.
If you don't like the analogy, just listen to the non-analogy version before it?
If it wernt complicated, it wouldnt be TopWar...
to be honest I am curious if beside the hero shards we can also get skill shards from old heros including those that you get from recrutiment, I see no value in getting shards from heros that you get from recruitment as I use them as perk farm , but I guess I don't need some heros like nemo anymore so could be useful in some cases but I hope for hero skills shards dismantle into universal shards , otherwise tw move makes not much of sense for players
We will have to wait and see. I still hope we can stop it or at least reduce the costs after : to bring a hero to max
Can anyone tell me or share a link where I need to go to leave a negative review about the increase in prices for games?
The review of the game in the Apple Store / google store
I get why RG is raising prices.. The recycling tool is just a refund tool for the players. For example, a lvl5 say cost 200 dollars. The refund tool would give 50% back. So player gets back 100 dollars to put towards new hero in which RG only gets 100 dollars for new hero lvl5. So RG resets all the heros, charges 400 dollars for lvl5. Recycle tool gives back 50% and new hero costs player 200 dollars. So RG still gets same price for lvl5
Their presumably “solution “ of the hero rework comes with a very high costs .
While the resetting is good …maxing a hero will cost far far more
Sir, how about the topwar plugin in facebook for gaming? and I'm just asking how to fix the topwar video because it doesn't play inside facebook.
As far as I know the game works ONLY on mobile devices + web browsers
What do you mean? I can play topwar on facebook with little issues. Sometimes the colaboration events won't show up because reasons. But other than that, the day to day game is fine for me
I don't exactly understand what's happening but I'm so sad to see that the recycling tool won't be implemented in game
It’s a hero rework on which they are close to finish due to keeping it quiet. Apparently not quite enough as we found out and now try to convince them to stop doing no sense …AGAIN.
But we need the community behind us ..just a vote is all it takes to help , Francesco
I'm saving ability chips to create ex skills, I really hope they will have some meaning.
I've already voted my friend, as soon as you've created the pools.
Why did this take over 5 months for them to do this?
I just see this leading to more players leaving the game. It’s expensive enough. I know they are trying to slow down whales a bit but it’s not going to work. They need to have dedicated servers for whales and force player to join these servers once they reach a certain CP. That will cause player to slow down development to stay on the server they want until they can move in a group. Making match ups more entertaining and fair.
Also hero reset isn’t a bad idea. A lot of players invested in useless heros and realized after the fact.
The hero reset comes with a very high costs for the future. Far far more resources to max a hero
@@t-me8295SMH
If this change happens I will stop playing. I’m tired of all the cash grabs.
If tw is going to rework it, it's going to be terrible. Just like the drop rate and titan gear "fix"
Absolutely
Top war doesn't care about doing anything that makes sense they like to "fix" things in the game that AREN'T broken and want to leave things that cause unbalance game play and then wonder why people decide to quit 🤦♂️
Ok. I have no idea what this video is trying to tell me BUT if they want to stop whales, why not reduce thr price for low level Extras and increase them for high level things. Let packages start at 1.99 instead of 4.99 and charge 199 for the highest instead of only 99. Simple
Our suggestion: hero special skill recycling tool
Their idea : reset all heroes (which sounds good ) but after : maxing a hero (like now : 5stars) will be far far more expensive.
Not worth the trade and it’s bad . Especially for f2p , low , medium spenders
As a game designer, I'm disgusted by how these developers operate. I understand how all this can be justified by saying people play the game simply to progress (and adding more room to progress must be good) but there's aspects to the game that are MISSING. Like, army exclusive skill boxes from AD or whatever automatically set the bar to max opens, while navy ones default to just 1. Things like the wall decor are so unfathomably bad i cant even begin to comprehend it. This game is built to attract money, and I'm now going to hand off my account. 2 years and 2 months of playing, but I'm vip0 so they won't care. They truly won't.
Ive been wondering when i would have enough of this bs. Topwar is fun but it makes so many more bad decisions than good ones. 2 years and 2 months, i still can't compete with 6 month old average accounts, i still don’t have morale, I'm still only level 90 on my air force suppressions, i still dont have 2 heroes perked, i still dont have a level 7 es, even if i pool all my es shards and multiply them by 2 (ive bought almost every es box from events), i still only have 6 skins, including basic, recruit, and open stage, I still only have 2 gold equip (just got my second), and perhaps worst of all, despite being an air force main, i have not had a single chance to obtain maximo with gems.
Peace yall. Hope you still have fun
Great analysis buddy and great summary of the reality out there for f2p .
As a developer you can understand this better :
I would say , stats are irrelevant IF THE match making is far as possible.
Big battle events can NOT provide that …small battle can.
I still have hope …yes is running on reserves indeed .
Want to get them to listen to you? Speaking to them has not worked in the past and will not work in the future. Point out all the shit they are doing, unequal pricing packs across different countries, titan effects, questionable matchmaking systems, 100% refund on old hero skill shards etc. Get everyone to stop spending until they fix those issues. Sooner or later when their revenue dives, their shareholders are going to question the developers and with their jobs at stake, you will have them begging to listen to you.
Thats what I have been saying for 2 years!! No one listens!!
Raise prices? F me, the prices are already so expensive for shit items which one day will just disappear. If they do, time to become F2P or quit.
I've been F2P since I started the game. Devs haven't done anything that's made me change my mind about that choice.
It's crazy. I've been playing these browser mmorts games for years and I've never come across a game so ridiculously expensive especially when what they're offering is usually some skin or deco.
Go f2p till we have news .
Absolutely that
Then allow me to mention a couple of games which you should NEVER START: guns of glory , lords mobile …TOPWAR got expensive absolutely yes …but those games are 10 times more expensive. No joke
I love your videos. But this one…. I have absolutely no idea what you’ve just tried to explain to us. The left ear right ear was the most confusing analogy I’ve ever heard
Let me explain again .
We agree that the old heroes which are useless must be addressed:
We ask for a hero special skill recycle tool
They , river game : do a full rework ..resetting them , BUT maxing a hero will cost far more .
Overall is not an acceptable idea at all
It's the point. Your right ear is twitchy, and RiverGames says the only way to fix it it is to use your left hand.
That's because they need confusion to hide their bad customer practices.
Tw: It puts the lotion in the basket or else it gets the hose again 😂
😂
LOL, Genius!! Great movie by the way
Universal skill recycling will mostly benefit a small number of old, high-spending players. A 1yr old server will be able to recycle a bit, which is great, but older players will get lvl 7 everything and increase inequality.
The situation of the old player is your situation of the future.
Look at the forest.
Not waiting for this already recycled for skill shards
Wait if possible. At the moment is not worth it
THIS GAME IS A HUGE WASTE OF QUALITY TIME AND MONEY 🤮
Once again promoting other rivergame apps for a TOPWAR audience..
This is getting real old Timmy.
Stop showing us other games.
This is an extremely strange way of understanding what I have been trying to explain with this video .
I can assure you : I’m not promoting RG’s apps.
You missed the point (message) of the video by a very long shot
Repent you are very wrong. T-me is doing the complete opposite!! He was able to retire from his work younger than most of us & then spends many hours making/editing these Videos & trust me is not getting compensated from Rivergames at all. He is just trying to help with his free time. A thank you should be the minimum you should be writing. Also the huge long list of issues with TW is our fault. They are clearly a greedy immoral company but we continue to spend which feeds their greed & also so why would they listen to us ?!? If you want to be helpful too try like I have many times to get people to stop spending or I constantly contact my rep at Rivergames to complain & make suggestions. I wish more would do what he, I & others are doing! Imagine if all would stop spending?!? Imagine if all would bombard their support with complaints?!? Please dont complain here. Use that time to complain to Rivergames.
I stopped donating to the game at all, after what they did with the selection to TA 2, the balance to TA 2, and the situation with the heroes on the new servers with their bestial attitude, if necessary, we can boycott the game, not enter the game for several days, a week, so that the fall of online would bring them to their senses and change their bestial attitude towards the players.
100% agreed but we have to do this together last boycott I saw some big server and some guys but like 70 to 80% peoples played and nothing happens at all
We are reaching out to them and soon we will have some news . We are working hard and trying our best . Have a little more fate dear brother .
Of course, drop your spending till then . Enjoy the loot quest
It all comes down to how many players are supporting us . But regardless of how high or low the support will be , we are reaching out to them (river game) and hope to have news for you guys soon .
Have a little bit more fate , dear brother.